Re: downloading running scripts
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Ricardo Walker wrote: I think you meant Command V and command option V I did. Sorry about that, not sure where my brain was. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: FTP
Hi, cyberduck looks pretty good for FTP access. I've not used it much and haven't tried it under Lion, but it looked promising. Only thing is that the progress indications aren't accessible. http://cyberduck.ch/ Cheers, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: downloading running scripts
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Traci wrote: I've figured out how to open the library folder under the hd, but my script is already inside the other library folder. I cannot figure out how to move it. find your script, then use command-c to copy and then go where you want to put it and use command option p to move it. A regular command p would just copy it without removing the original. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Playroom
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote: Is there a mac version of Playroom? how can i play with Mac? Currently, no. You'd need to use a Windows install under Fusion or Bootcamp to use Quentin's Playroom. It'd be great to have a Mac client for it. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: getting to Aps
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jennifer Perdue wrote: What is an easier way to get to the second page of aps. I do it by accident most of the time. I use the home button to get to the mail page but how do I get to the next page. Or, what is the easiest way to do so. If you find the item near the bottom which says something like Page 1 of 3, double-tap it and you should move to the next page. I find this and the home key easier than the triple-swipe. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Paul Erkens wrote: So, given the 4-byte representation of characters in utf8 unicode, a braille table could easily be made up based on that character set. This would of course imply that some braille dot patterns would occur more than once in unicode, because an accented letter in Polish, looks the same in braille as a c cedille in French. They are 2 distinct characters for the sighted, but one and the same symbol in braille. Yes. Why is it, that we don't yet have a unified unicode utf8 braille table? Any idea? Because it would be like herding cats. The International Council on English Braille (ICEB) consists of 7 countries - Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Nigeria, South Africa, The United Kingdom and The United States. Back in (I think) 1992, the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) began looking at the problem of a unified Braille code. This code would unify separate codes used for literary Braille, mathematics, science and computer usage. After many thousands of hours of work, countless meetings, lots of politicing and a fair amount of naval-gazing on the subject of the best way to represent things in Braille, the Unified English Braille Code (UEBC), also known as Unified English Braille (UEB), was eventually adopted as an official English Braille code by ICEB in 2004. This means that it took 12 years for only 7 countries, all speaking English, to agree on a unified code, a code that none of these countries were obligated to adopt as their official code. 7 years further on, and I admit to being a bit out of tuch, I think 5 countries have officially adopted it. One of the remaining two is reportedly thinking about it, and The United States is apparently not at all interested, even though the effort to create the code began there. My point with all this is that it took 7 countries speaking the same language 12 years to develop a standard they could all live with, and 7 years later they've not all adopted it yet. Considering the infinitely more difficult task of getting a single Braille code for all known languages that everyone would be happy with, and I fear this would be simply impossible to do. Of course, I'd ove to be wrong. But to use your example, which of the two countries would be prepared to give up the symbol they're used to? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Simon Cavendish wrote: Under Snow Leopard, we had Braille tables provided by Archie Robertson from Cecimac - free gift from this generous person. It had a unicode Braille table as well as many other language tables, and this problem did not arise there. The unicode Braille table was able to handle many languages at the same time. So I could comfortably read an Anglo-Greek text in Braille. Sadly, under Lion, Archie's tables cannot be added nor can the existing tables be modified. My wife is in a similar position and we managed to install these tables under Lion with no particular problems. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Paul Erkens wrote: But what I never understood was the unicode thing you mention. Is unicode sort of an extended version of ascii? Unicode is the idea that all possible symbols can be represented in the same character set. As you identified in your message, there are only 256 possible symbols in the ASCII character set, 255 if you don't include the null character which is number 0. But US-ASCII is only one of literally hundreds of character sets that can be used to encode text. All these other character sets came into being because of the large and varying range of symbols which needed to be encoded. As this thread has demonstrated, switching between character sets is annoying at best. Life would be a lot simpler if you could simply just use one character set for everything and not have to change anything. And this is what Unicode is trying to do. When people talk about Unicode, they're usually talking about the character set called UTF-8. This is the most commonly used character encoding that tries to meet the goals of Unicode. UTF-8 is a super-set of ASCII. All standard latin alpha-numeric characters and punctuation symbols are represented in exactly the same way as they are in ASCII, making it backward-compatible in a number of settings. For other symbols, UTF-8 uses up to 4 bytes to encode a character, thereby getting around the limit of 256. The use of up to 4 bytes is presumably to avoid ambiguity. For more information on Unicode and the various ways of representing it, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode To what extent does the ascii table relate to a braille table, and what exactly is unicode and how does that get translated to a unicode braille table? The references to ASCII and Unicode in relation to Braille tables refers to the symbols that are to be translated. Standard 6-dot Braille is, by its nature, a 6-bit system, and even 8-dot Braille only needs 8 bits. So Braille itself only needs at most one byte per character. A Unicode Braille table is able to display representations of Unicode text without the need to change Braille tables for each represented language. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: reading an ntfs external hd in lion
Hi, According to the following link, you can write to NTFS volumes under Mac OS X after you install a driver: http://www.all-about-apple.com/read-and-write-to-a-ntfs-formatted-windows-drive-in-mac-os-x.html This article was written prior to Lion, so I don't know if Lion changed anything. I've also not tried this personally. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: off topic: text edditing issue with iphone
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011, Joanne Chua wrote: sorry to be off topic but, how can one eddit a caractor within a text or a word? e.g. i spell a name wrong and wishes to eddit a middle caractor, instead of deleting from the end or from the start, is there any way for me to backtrack myself to the caractor that i want to eddit? Yes. If you set the roter to characters, which I *think* it is by default, you can swipe up and down to move back and forward through the text field. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Sidebar and First Letter Navigation Broken in Lion
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: If I want to go to my USB drive, I have to use the arrow keys. That works ok but when I try to go to my USB drive with my arrow keys, I always get caught by that Idisk thing and a message asking me if I want to start a Mobile Me account and I have to repeat the process again. You can remove iDisk from the sidebar in Finder preferences. You need to use the toolbar to get to the various parts of Finder preferences. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessible version of audacity?
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Jessica and Goldina wrote: you can get the accessible version of audacity here. http://audacity.homerow.net/index.php?dir=accessible%2F HOw does this version differ from the release version? It's just that there's been a release or two since 1.3.11. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: seems that Drop Box is now utterly useless with Voice Over.
Hi, The new Dropbox betas solve this problem. We've been using 1.2.16 and it seems to work fine. Note that 1.2.18 is out now but we've not tried it. The thread on the Dropbox Beta forums about this release can be read at http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=42146 It's worth noting that they recommend to restart after installing, so you might want to do that. If you want to just download it, click here: http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/17/Dropbox%201.2.18.dmg In the event that it eats yor children and you want a beta someone can vouch for, you can get 1.2.16 at http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/17/Dropbox%201.2.16.dmg We were able to just copy the app into the applications folder as normal and then run. Of course, we had to force-quit the running DB in order to do this. Fortunately Dropbox was smart enough to figure out that it'd already been installed and it just ran like it should. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: seems that Drop Box is now utterly useless with Voice Over.
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Geoff Shang wrote: We were able to just copy the app into the applications folder as normal and then run. Of course, we had to force-quit the running DB in order to do this. Sorry, this is wrong. I forgot that it doesn't show up in force-quit. You need to go into Activity Monitor in Utilities and find the Dropbox process and press Quit Process in the toolbar. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi, It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Logging in with the Sendspace wizard
Hi, Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but I've not managed to find anyone else with this problem. We also checked out Chris' podcast and he didn't mention anything special about logging in. We have the problem that we enter our details into the wizard's connect dialog but nothing happens when we press OK. The only button that's not dimmed in the toolbar is Connect, and when we press it we get the connect dialog again and the same thing happens. We are assuming that the edit fields are first username and then password, but the password field is not identified by VoiceOver as one and nothing seems to indicate that we've typed in it. We are using the mouse click in the edit field technique to (hopefully) ensure that we're typing in the right field. We're not seeing any errors or anything, it's just not working. We're using Sendspace Wizard 1.2.15. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Dan wrote: While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. In what way? What can you do with it that you can't do on the keyboard? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, Kevin Mattingly wrote: If you want to read the full row, you should be able to hit control-option-r and it should be read. This is the one area that I feel VO lacks a little in on web pages. There are apparently improvements to VoiceOver regarding web pages in Lion. I know there are more shortcut keys available at least.x Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a music question
Hi Carolyn, If you really want to get the best result you possibly can and you are not completely confident in doing it yourself, you may want to get a professional to do it. I've not done work like this with LPs, but I have with cassettes and it can be fairly exacting work if you want to do a good job with it. Each recording may require its own particular tweeking to get the best results. However, I've also heard stories about people who have had this sort of work done by people they've paid and been unhappy with the results. Given this, you may want to get someone to do one piece and see what you and those you trust think about the work before getting them to do any more. This way, if you actually don't like it, you've only paid for a bit and not the whole lot to be done. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: complex networking question (double nating)
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Scott Howell wrote: I wish I could turn DHCP off on the Comcast modem, but that is not possible. Apparently you have to have a static IP to do this and then they (Comcast) have to do it. I had talked to them today about this (Comcast that is) and they explained things somewhat, but how it was explained was yet pretty muddy. It all came down to the fact that I have to pay money and ps, we're damn near out of IPs, so don't be asking for much. :( This doesn't make any sense. I think whoever you spoke to at Comcast got their wires crossed. Whether or not the comcast modem assigns addresses to your LAN has no relation to whether or not you have a dynamic or static IP address on the net. They're two completely separate things. You should be able to just do it in the interface of the modem/router and Comcast don't need to do anything. Gef -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Joining a call to aa conference on skype?
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ray Foret Jr wrote: See the list archives for my recent instructions how to add someone to a Skype call. Also, to answer a Skype call, just press the accept button in the dialog. Answering a call from a conference is the same as answering a call from one person. OK but if you do that, won't it put the conference on hold and put you in a call with only the person who called? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Are there any audio described stuff in the Itunes store?
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: The bottom line is, as far as I know, and I could be wrong, I don't think you can have a US store account, if you're in the UK. To the best of my knowledge, it will automatically route you to the store in your country. It will automatically route you to your local store, but it is possible to set up accounts in other stores. You need to have a billing address in that country, which usually means a credit card in that country. We managed to set us both up accounts in the Australian iTunes store, partly because the Israeli store only sells apps, and partly because we wanted to be able to purchase Australian music without paying shipping. I have, however, also heard of some people, usually users of the US store, who are unable to access it from some overseas destinations. I believe the Apple terms of service say that they can use IP-location stuff to block access to stores based on geography, but I've never experienced it personally. But I have found postings from people who have. If you want to try to use a store not where you are, you can change which store you're using near the bottom of the HTML area in iTunes. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: complex networking question (double nating)
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Is it possible to set the scope of the dhcp on the comcast device so that it will only ever assign 1 ip address? This should mean that its dhcp server just won't respond to any requests for ip's from clients after its 1 ip has been assigned, leaving the airport to do all the work. I know this would mean that you have 2 dhcp servers on the same network which I'm sure you know isn't advisable in most situations, but hopefully this will be as good as not having the comcast box do dhcp. Surely it would be easier to just turn DHCP off on the Comcast router. It must be possible to do this at least. Then you could give your Airport a static IP address and let it assign addresses to your other devices. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: complex networking question (double nating)
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Scott Howell wrote: I neglected to mention that the only way to put the damned SMC cable modem into (effectively) bridge mode is to pay an extra $15 a month for a single static IP. I ain't gonna do that. Is this because the Airport doesn't know how to talk PPPoE, PPPoA, PPTP, L2TP or whatever it is your cable provider uses to get addresses? You didn't say which model Airport you have, but a quick search reveals that the Airport Express and Airport Extreme both can do PPPoE, PPTP and L2TP, which suggests that they should be able to authenticate to your cable provider via a cable modem in bridged mode. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: complex networking question (double nating)
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: I'd be interested in knowing why you connected an extra router to your router as opposed to a switch? It seems overly complicated considdering that a cheap unmanaged switch would have done the same thing and probably would have given you gigabit. Two reasons: 1. One of the routers is an ADSL modem/router, so I obviously need the modem functionality. 2. I already had the other router, so no need to buy any extra hardware. I had 6 devices and two 4-port routers and it's solved the situation nicely ... until I need another ethernet port. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Scrolling a PM40 display
Hi, We've hit a little problem and figure someone here will know. Naama is using her PACMate 40 display with VoiceOver and wants to scroll the display so that she can see the righthand part of the line. But we can't find a keystroke that will do this. Does anyone know how this is done? It must surely be possible. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Scrolling a PM40 display
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Anne Robertson wrote: If the PM 40 works like the PM 20, you use one of the whiz wheels, the right-hand one I think, to pan right or left. hmm. The right one does something odd, can't work out exactly what, but keyboard help doesn't say what it is. I hate this arrangement, so I've changed the panning commands to be a press on the right whiz wheel to go right, and on the left one to go left. You do this in VoiceOver Utility, under Braille. ah. We shall have to look at this. Thanks, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Scrolling a PM40 display
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Anne Robertson wrote: If the PM 40 works like the PM 20, you use one of the whiz wheels, the right-hand one I think, to pan right or left. Thanks to you cluing us in about being able to assign Braille display commands, we went to check them out. First, it seems that right-up was pan right and right-down was pan left, which is rather counter-intuitive. Moreover, it wasn't actually working properly even so, which we don't really understand. I hate this arrangement, so I've changed the panning commands to be a press on the right whiz wheel to go right, and on the left one to go left. You do this in VoiceOver Utility, under Braille. We took your advice and made this change, once we figured out how the Braille commands table actually worked. It now works just fine. Making both left and right wheels go up and down was a bit more fun but we also got there in the end. Thanks again, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: complex networking question (double nating)
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Scott Howell wrote: Here is the situation. I recently switched to Comcast business class. I was provided with a SMC Network cable modem. THis box is actually a switch consisting of four ports. Currently I have my AirPort router plugged into the SMC and thus I have a double nat situation. THe SMC is configured to handout DHCP addresses, which is how my AirPort gets its address, but I also am handing out addresses using DHCP to the devices on my private network. I actually am using DHCP reservations and for a specific reason. The best thing to do if you can is bridge the SMC and let the airport deal with everything. Now, I don't know anything about airport routers, so I don't know if they know anything about PPPoE/PPPoA, etc. So I don't know if this would work. But it's the optimal solution for this situation. Usually, the best way to connect two routers together is to use LAN ports on both of them. But this works better when it's the one which talks to the world which should control everything. I recently set this up - I connected two 4-port routers together which got me two more ports. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple Mail or gmail, pop or imap
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Jon Cohn wrote: If you like to keep your folder structure of e-mails the same on all of the systems then IMAP is the only stand solution. POP just allows scanning, downloading and deleting of e-mails on your e-mail providers server. Actually my first sentence is a bit off, IBM and Microsoft provide Domino/Notes and Exchange/Outlook respectively which also synchronize items. Both Domino and Outlook also provide synchronization of contacts notes, tasks and todo lists in addition to e-mail. The Macintosh Address Book, Calendar, and mail program have plugins that minimally support the Exchange protocols. Actually, IMAP can also be used to synchronise addressbook information or to access shared addressbooks, but I don't know how many Email clients actually implement this feature. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Porting qwitter to mac?
Hi, There's apparently been some work done on a mac port of Qwitter, but if I recall @Mongoose_Q's tweets correctly, there's some issue with keyboard intercepting on the mac which is making it a problem. I don't know where there's any official status on this. There's a mac list on the Qwitter Client website but it doesn't have any messages in its archives. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: configuration for VM fusion?
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, KliphSharrie wrote: Okay, got windows all installed thanks to my sited wife. The thing that is getting me, when I go to assign the ram and hard drive space, it's not showing me my choices in ram or GB's, it says something about 1024 MB and 32.26 percent. Is there a way to change this? Which version of Fusion are you using? When we fiddled with 3.1, we were able to change these things without much trouble, but I believe earlier versions had accessibility issues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voice over hints question
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Caitlyn Furness wrote: How do you turn off voice over hints? Go into the VoiceOver settings with control-option-f8, choose verbosity from the list and select the hints tab. You can turn it off there or you can adjust how long it waits before providing the hints. I don't blame you for wanting to turn them off! ps-if I turn off the hints, will this effect anything else, like the very helpful help tags, for instance? No. Announcement of help tags is a separate option, in the same section I think. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Executing from present working directory - was Compiling C++ in terminal
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm assuming you meant export PATH=$PATH:./ There shouldn't be any need for a trailing slash. If I echo $PATH I see: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin No trailing slashes there. I guess I wasn't all that concerned about malicious scripts living in my home directory with the same name as a real command. So somebody somehow puts a script called ls in my home directory in the hopes that I may have modified my path to put ./ first seems a bit of a stretch. At least if they could drop a script file they could probably also drop a new .profile to alias ls to their bad script located somewhere else less noticeable. They could, but you'd have to logout and back in again for it to take effect. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Restoring files from a Time Machine Backup
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Chris Blouch wrote: First it will make incremental backups once an hour until it fills up all available space on the backup volume. At that point it will start to prune the oldest backups first to make room for new backups. So the bigger your drive and the smaller the incremental changes the further back in time you can go to restore stuff. This isn't quite correct. Time Machine only keeps 24 hours worth of hourly backups. It keeps daily backups for the past month, and weekly backupsfor as long as there's space to keep them. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1427 Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Will It Be Easy To Install Lion?
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Hayri Tulumcu wrote: Hello Mike! You will not be able to install a new copy of lion. It is only an upgrade DVD that you can get! It requires that the snow leopard is already on the machine! From what I've read, you only need to have Snow Leopard in order to download Lion from the Mac App Store. It doesn't actually need Snow Leopard to run the installer and you can apparently boot it from either a DVD or a USB drive. I've tried to find official confirmation of this though and haven't been able to. Still, I guess we'll know soon when some people get it from the App Store and tell us what it says. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Executing from present working directory - was Compiling C++ in terminal
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Chris Blouch wrote: export PATH=./:$PATH That adds the ./ location plus all the existing path settings. Now you should be able to just run foo from wherever you are without putting the ./ in front. This is not recommended, however. All you need is some nasty script or whatever to plonk something in your working directory that has the same name as a standard system program (e.g. ls) and you could find yourself running their nasty program instead of the program you meant to run. Of course, if you used: echo PATH=$PATH:. instead, at least it would search in the standard search path before finding your local binary. But personally I prefer just to type ./ before whatever it is I want to run. At least I'm meaning to run the program. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: XCode/C++ integer assignment from console.
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Geoff Waaler wrote: I am getting started with C++ using XCode 4.0.2. You may well do better on a general programming list rather than this one. For what it's worth, I copied your code verbatim and compiled and ran it under Linux, and it worked exactly as expected (i.e. not as it ran for you). We don't have XCode for our mac so I couldn't try it there. I did try it on a 64-bit VPS I have access to in case it was a 64-bit issue, but again it worked fine. I'd be interested to know what caused your issue if you ever manage to solve it. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessible FTP Client
Hi, We use Cyberduck for FTP. It speaks well apart from file transfers. You can't see how they're progressing but Growl can tell you when they're done. http://CyberDuck.ch HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the true, or just a rhumor
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I don't even know what all the new features'll be, nor where I'll find out when the time is right. http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html It's pretty long. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Dropbox preferences
Hi, Is it possible to access Dropbox preferences with Dropbox 1.1.35? My wife has a Dropbox account that's working fine, but we now want to set up my Dropbox account under my own login on the mac. The Dropbox window comes up and there's a dropbox configuration folder in my home folder, but I can't see how to tell Dropbox my username and password. Is this possible to do? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Auto log in for the Mac
On Sun, 3 Jul 2011, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, my Mac Book Pro just started doing something different after the last round of updates. When powered on it used to immediately log me in. Now when powered on it lands at the log on screen and asks me to log on, even though I have the only account on this Mac. Any ideas how I can fix this? This happened to us too. Go to System Preferences and to Accounts. Select Login Options from the list of things to configure and select the account to log in as. You may need to unlock the padlock, can't remember. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Questions About VMWARE Fusion
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Justin Ekis wrote: I'm confused about these instructions for switching focus between Windows and the mac. It's nowhere near that complicated for me. When I command-tab out of fusion, I'm bak in the rest of my mac programs, just like switching from any other window. When I command-tab back into fusion, most of the time windows has the focus again. On those rare occasions when this isn't seamless, I just press VO-command-f5 to move the mouse to the VO cursor and then VO-shift-space to click the mouse. Is there a problem that I'm not aware of? Sorry for bringing this up again, I just recently rejoined the list. Hi, I don't think we tried this approach. We certainly tried several others, with limited amounts of success. We blew away the VM since it was extremely unstable in any case, so I'm not in a position to revisit it right now. I'll keep this in mind if I ever try it again. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Blind Adrenaline Games Accessible on the Mac
Hi Brianna, My wife and I are Blind Adrenaline subscribers. I must admit to not having thought about this, but you're right- there really should be a mac client. For those who've not used Blind Adrenaline, it's a paid service. But it's not very expensive and you don't get a lot of the BS you can get on places like RSGames because everyone who's using the site has paid to do so. And yes, Euchre is one of the reasons we signed up. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Questions About VMWARE Fusion
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Ezzie Buenito wrote: After viewing many of your discussions, I've decided to try running Windows on my Macbook Pro with Fusion. The questions I have are as follows: 1. When I select VMWARE Fusion on the finder, can I install JAWS at that point? No. You need to configure the VM and install Windows in it before you can install JAWS. VMWare Fusion is not Windows, it is only a program for running other operating systems under your main one. You will need a legitimate Windows installation CD. 2. Which key will be the Windows key? On a mac keyboard, the command key will be the Windows key, and the Option key will be the Alt key. Yes, that means they're backwards in comparison to a Windows keyboard. 3. How do I switch back to the Mac operating system? This is one of the tricky things about using Fusion. Visually, Windows is just another window on your computer. When the mouse is in that window, it's interacting with Windows, and when it's not, it's interacting with Mac OS. Now for us, it's a little more complicated. If you can see the mouse pointer, I believe you can click within or outside of the Windows window in order to change where the keyboard is focused. If you can't, moving to the Fusion window and pressing (I think) command-g is supposed to switch to Windows and control-command to switch it back. However, it's very difficult to make this work reliably. A thread a week or two back on this list discussed a number of ways to try and help make this more reliable, such as running VMWare in full-screen mode. But none of these remedies seemed to work for everyone. 4. When I start up the computer, which operating system will start up by default? Mac OS has to start, as VMWare and Windows will be running as a program on your mac, not as a stand-alone operating system. If you want to run Windows as a stand-alone operating system which you run *instead* of Mac OS, you need to use Boot Camp. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Update on mac running hot, from bad to worse!
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Esther wrote: If you can bring up a terminal window (Command-Shift-U in Finder to go to the Utilities folder, press t to go to Terminal and Command-Down arrow to launch). You can kill the applespell.service process if you know its process ID number. For example, if the process ID number were 1210 listed in the table, you would type: kill -9 1210 You don't need to go to that much trouble. You can use killall instead like so: killall AppleSpell Note the capitalisation. You can verify that this works without actually killing it by typing: killall -s AppleSpell HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Bootcamp vs Fusion
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Georges Zaynoun wrote: Can I download a fusion demo to do a bootcamp installation and if yes from where? Thanks. You can get a 30-day trial of VMWare Fusion from http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/overview.html You'll need to register before you can download it. When you do, don't forget to get the serial number from the download page to register it for your 30-day trial. It's not particularly obvious and it's easy to miss if you're not paying attention. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Bootcamp vs Fusion
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, David McLean wrote: What is the advantage of importing a Bootcamp partition into Vmware? I guess I'm confused why you'd want to do that if you can run a Vmware Machine? The advantage is that you can use the same installation either in Boot Camp mode or as a VM, instead of having two separate installs. Then you can run it in whichever mode suits at the time. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about apple mail
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Naama Shang wrote: Yes, it is possible, and it even actually knows the g mail server, but it sets it up as IMap by default, so if you want pop3, you need to change it, and accept eh certificate. It's also worth noting that, at least in our experience, even though you tell it to use POP3, it doesn't change the port number from 993 to 995. If this happens to you, it will just not work and won't be clear why. To fix it, go to Mail Preferences, choose Accounts from the toolbar and select the Advanced Preferences tab. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying to set up growl
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Shannon Dyer wrote: For somr reason, it only shows me one application, which is the twitter client I use. It doesn't allow me to set what notifications i'd like though. It just makes random sounds at me. Quite possibly those randomsounds are coming from YoruFukurou itself. To configure Growl notifications for an app, open System Preferences and open Growl. Choose the Applications tab and choose the app from the list. Then head over to the configure button. Once there, select the Notifications tab. You'll find a drop-down list of all the possible event types. Select the one you want to configure and customise it to your liking. If you're still having trouble with this, feel free to Skype us. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: dvd ripping and deregioning
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Chris Snyder wrote: I just bought a dvd from the UK because it has video description. My macbook pro's dvd player wants me to change my dvd player region, and says that I can change it up to five times. Since I live in the states, I do not wish to do this. Does anyone know of any software that will rip the dvd regardless of region? Or perhaps even rip the dvd and let me deregion the files so that I can burn a dvd which will play on region 1 players. The problem is that the drive itself is set to a region, and as you've already seen, they will only officially let you change it 5 times (then you're stuck with it). All is not lost however. Apparently you can use software called Region X to play DVDs, *once* you've managed to make your drive region-free. This last point of course is the sticky one. For the program Region X and some info about deregioning your drive, see http://xvi.rpc1.org/ Sorry, don't know any more than this. Good luck! Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying to set up growl
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Shannon Dyer wrote: I have installed growl. I'm wondering how to set it up and customize it to work with specific applications in specific ways. All of Growl's stuff is in System Preferences. You can set up how it acts by default and how it works with specific applications. Applications that can use Growl will register with it automatically. If you choose the Applications tab in Growl Preferences, you can see each application that has registered with Growl. You can blanket turn on and off all notifications for that application by checking or unchecking the item in the applications list, or select one and press Configure to fine-tune the notification settings for that app. Note: Don't check Hide All Notifications in the general Growl stuff, otherwise you won't get any notifications. I guess that's a good way to temporarily mute it. Let me know if you need more help. HTH, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying to set up growl
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Georges Zaynoun wrote: From where do one get growl? growl.info Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying to set up growl
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Shannon Dyer wrote: I now see growl, the twitter client (sorry, but I can not spell its name), That'd be YoruFukurou. and dropbox in the application menu under growl in system preferences. I still do not see either skype or adium. They should be there, though Skype and Adium can do speech notifications natively so don't actually need Growl. Have you tried restarting either of them since you installed Growl? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Naama, I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped make the decision. you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, what cache level etc. This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for you. Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a major expense. It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the expense, don't worry about it for now. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: the original author of the question asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the average user need. Actually, it was average ram for a blind user? And I think the flurry of answers here demonstrates that there really is no single answer. Everyone uses their computer for different things, and each person should assess their computing needs inline with what their particular needs are, not just some perceived need of some typical user. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
