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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I'm with Ben here. I don't really appreciate receiving Maccessibility updates. Is there not a list I can subscribe to if I want to receive them? Not only that, but they are snippets with a link to the full story. I request that these not be sent to macvisionaries. On 9/4/09, ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com wrote: Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net wrote: FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: possible voice over issue
Mark, what he tells us implies that his hard drive and flash disk already have names: If I use the down arrow key voice over says the name of my external volume as it should. ~ Mike On 9/1/09, Marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote: I've found tabbing seems to work better for some odd reason. On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Hi everyone. Wondering if anyone can reproduce this or if it's just me. I have my macintosh HD showing on my desktop, I'm not sure if it's related to that, or if having more than one volume showing on your desktop produces the same results. Anyway, when I connect my external hard drive or flash drive, they show as untitled or no name. This is below the macintosh hd item. If I use the down arrow key voice over says the name of my external volume as it should. Then, if I cursor back up, macintosh HD is not spoken, but if I press v o f4 or v o f6, the internal hard drive definitely has the selection. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new ocr mac application
Hey Jon, You might have better luck working with your outdated copy by using the mouse. Route the mouse to the VO cursor (I think the command is vo+cmd+f5 - have a look in the menu by pressing vo+f7) and clicking (vo+shift+space). That's how I got the old bookshare app working, as well as some other apps which don't respond to the VO press command. On 8/3/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: has anyone tried the program yet i.e. bought it and used it? very keen to get it as i need an OCR for my mac really but want others to try it On 3 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Esther wrote: Hi Will, I don't know that international people can't take advantage of the discount. All I reported on was the existence of a 20 per cent discount coupon, and the savings this would translate into for U.S. buyers -- since that's the only price that I can view. Esther william lomas wrote: can not international people take advantage of the discount? why do these deas never extend outside the US? lol Esther wrote: Hi Jonathan, Rossy, Chris, and Others, I found an announcement of a coupon code discount of 20 per cent off the price of ABBYY Fine Reader Express for the Mac at the Mac App Deals page. You enter the coupon code SMBTM when you check out, which drops the price from $99.99 to $79.99 for U.S. buyers. Here's the link to the Mac App Deals web page, dated July 22, 2009, just in case I made a typo in the coupon code: http://macappdeals.com/?p=2104 Also, if you check the description of this application at: http://www.abbyy.com/finereader_for_mac/ use VO-space to expand the descriptions of Key Features, FAQs, Typical Use, and System Specifications so you can read the details. Here's another page at the ABBYY web site that summarizes some of this information on a page that doesn't require expanding the headings: http://www.abbyyusa.com/shop/FREXMac.htm I'll excerpt a part dealing with multi-lingual support: begin excerpt The application supports 171 recognition languages, including English, German, French, Greek, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Finnish, Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, Slovak, Malay, Indonesian and many others. Of those, 36 languages have dictionary support to provide the best possible conversion results. It also accurately recognizes multi-lingual documents containing up to three different languages. end excerpt Cheers, Esther Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: I have been using the older version that came bundled with my epson perfection scanner. Any chance of getting a discount for an upgrade? The version I have is not written in Cocoa I believe. I am able to get minimal functionality. When I open the main application, there is a box that comes up with a group of buttons and the entire group of buttons are labeled as Unknown. If I then interact with the group I find Scan and Read popup button, Read pop up button, Scan popup button and save popup button. None of these appear to work. However if I go to the menus I get most of the functionality, though the Twain driver itself when it pops up I can just hit enter and am unable to change any of the settings like DPI, color vs bw This version is quite old, as the directory not only has ABBByFineReaderX but also AbbyFineReaderClassic There is an upgrade button within the application, I will try to get a discount and test the new stuff. Jon christos hux wrote: There is now a new ocr application avilable for the mac platform. it is the abby fine reader express version for the mac. it costs $99 I did email the us based sales company got back the answer from the parent company that the app had been tested with voice over. right now there is not a test version of the application like there is for all their other applications. I have been thinking about purchasing it since I have had a hard time with readiris. This ocr program works with all twain drivers, digital cameras even with faxs. So thankfully now there is another mac ocr program to chose from. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Usually the screen can be cleared with control-l. I thought I read somewhere that there was a way to have the terminal speak text written to stdout/stderr using the system voice. I looked in preferences and couldn't find it. Anyone else have any luck? I use terminal for macports apps/ssh/nano on occasion and though nano's cursor tracking is a little jumpy it works well enough for me. James On 7/21/09, louie louiem...@wavecable.com wrote: Is there a way to clear the scroll area? On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review the screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and reading upward through the output. How well it echos back when output is written to the screen varies. I wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. Also, for some reason the -show_cursor option never worked for me and I allways had to set it in the options. I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth it. On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: Hi, I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want to get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others out there. From the command line I really need the ability to do development locally and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be truncated by the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is java - version. I can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with cursor and terminal types with no success that I can really point to. 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is interacting with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree locally -- I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking with VO seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open lynx - show_cursor on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. Or use something like pine where cursoring around changes text highlights. Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? Many thanks, Garry -- Garry Turkington garry.turking...@gmail.com louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Developing for the accessible iPhone
Hey, This isn't a solution, but I am wondering what if any problems people have been having wtih Xcode? I've just started using it for a project and find it quite accessible. (I've compiled some stuff with it - status and everything read like a charm. Also manipulating projects and whatnot works fine). I'll probably run into it sooner or later, whatever it is. Feel free to change the thread title (as I'm a terrible person and didn't). James On 7/14/09, Alex asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Lists, I am trying to develop for the accessible iPhone, and am looking for methods to get around the whole problem with XCode. Though I have solutions of my own, I am wondering what kind of solutions you guys can come up with. Any help is greatly appreciated. Regards, alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hey, As I'm eventually looking into getting an iPhone (by which I mean next year when things may change once again) I'm glad to hear some of it's shortcomings. (everything has shortcomings) Out of curiosity: how has battery life been for voiceover users? I read that it you can get 8 hours of continuous music-listening and something like 7 for web browsing. Are these figures lowered because the device is speaking nigh-constantly? I've already read about the speaker problem - that where the speaker activates as soon as you move the iPhone out of ear-proximity. Anything else people haven't been so pleased with? I'm only trying to be negative because I've heard a lot about what the iPhone does well, and when I tried it out for the few minutes last weekend I did like it, but I'm interested in it's cons like I would be with *any* device. On 7/14/09, Scott Bresnahan b...@apple2.com wrote: Hi, I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I think both points have some merit. The iPhone is not for everyone.. 1. Multitasking is a short coming. It's like the Finder compared to the Multi-Finder in the Mac Plus days. Some technologies, ssh and irc come to mind, will not work well on the iPhone. We use a custom irc server to do real time IT troubleshooting across our applications, and I cannot keep my irc session alive while I use Safari. This is not the case on other phone platforms and is a valid argument. You can't say that remembering your preferences and place in an application is the same as background processing. 2. Although you may have memorized the keypad, it's not reasonable to assume everyone will or can. Which has a faster learning curve? The touch screen layout or the standard keypad? I say this only because part of the usefulness of a device lies not with the expert user, but with the casual user. Personally, most of my numbers are direct dials, so I don't have the memory for the keypad due to lack of practice and everyday use, but when I do need it, I struggle and yes, a tactile keypad would be easier.. That said, I am surviving. Finally, one more con on the iPhone is the battery. I can imagine several use cases where a spare battery that's not an add on power pack would be required for some users. The iPhone is designed for a certain work flow. certain patterns it is not good for. I understood these before I bought it, but don't dismiss them as the Almighty iPhone is God, cause it's not. That said, I suggest the iPhone to everyone I see. Although I warn my colleagues about the background and battery since I know that's an issue based on their work. --Scott address these comments. See my responses inline. On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:55 PM, william lomas wrote: 1. i can multi task on a symbian phone i can not on the iphone 2. the thought of having to keep closing application x to use application y will be frustrating for symbian users, since i can have the web and an sms window open at same time These are one thought broken into two points, so I will address them as one. This is not a fair assessment, or even an accurate one. While the iPhone does not technically perform multi-tasking, it proides the same functionality. You can quickly switch between apps on the iPhone, and iPhone apps are designed to remember where they were when you left them. The upshot of this is, therefore, that you get the illusion of multi-tasking with all its benefits, without the performance hit. This argument is a flawed one, that is based on a misunderstanding of the iPhone and its operation. 3. Using speech on a call on a symbian phone is in my view easier since if one dials numbers for an automated system, it is easier I think in my view, to type the number on a keypad, rather than having to mess around finding it on a dial pad etc The buttons on the iPhone's keypad are large and do not move around. I do not search for them anymore. It's a different experience, and it takes a small amount of practice. However, it is no harder or easier, once you have learned to use it properly, than a physical keypad. Josh de Lioncourt Šmy other mail provider is an owlŠ Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourthttp://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.comhttp://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.comhttp://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.comhttp://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourthttp://goodreads.com/Lioncourt -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
To be honest, I don't think it was so unfairly written. I do agree with some of the points he made, mainly those pertaining to finding the icon which announces battery status. I quested over to the Pentagon City Mall this weekend to have a look at the iPhone, and that got to me a little; though I didn't try navigation by flicking, I did like the drag-and-tap model quite nicely. It was annoying to find the more or page 2 buttons when navigating the iPod and Home screens respectively, and though I didn't try and find the battery/date and time icons, from listening to Shane Jackson's podcast it doesn't sound entirely pleasant. The touchscreen model is nice, but tapping around just to get info or move the screen down does seem a little cumbersome. Does navigation by flick eliminate the more button annoyance? (As if I was arrowing through a table - it doesn't matter what's showing on screen, just what's under the cursor?) On 7/12/09, Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com wrote: This comes up when you do a search for Mosen and iPhone on Google. Written before the iPhone with VO came to market I might add. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@x To: blindpho...@xx Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: iPhone, a Reality Check There's been some pretty lively discussion on Twitter since the announcement of the new iPhone, which some are calling accessible. As 140 characters can be quite limiting, I thought I would make some extended comment through this list. There seems to be a great deal of excitement over the fact that Apple have put a screen reader into the iPhone. For no extra cost, someone can go to ATT in the US, or your iPhone carrier in other countries, pick up an iPhone, and get speech without installing any additional software. It can be made to talk by enabling the feature from the PC, so no sighted assistance is required. At face value, the principle is an enticing one, although the concept is not entirely new. Phones such as some of the LG range have offered an out of box experience that has varied in its degree of accessibility for some time. There is also the question of how easily we as blind people can influence product enhancements. But hats off to Apple for getting this done for sure. Just because we're blind, doesn't mean we're immune to the latest trend and marketing hype. Sighted iPhone devotees love the look of the iPhone, and its touch screen. So there are blind people who want an iPhone because it's trendy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this either. If we want to be part of the latest big thing, it is wrong for consumers that happen to be blind to be locked out. It is worth baring in mind though that Nokia still well outsells all of its competitors put together in the global market. We all use our phones for different purposes, and perhaps it is true that because screen readers have only run on smartphones, some of us are using smartphones when we otherwise wouldn't be. A smartphone is all about productivity. Getting information in and out of the device with ease is critical. There are comments in the Apple documentation, found at http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html that intrigue me with respect to reviewing what is on the screen. They say in part: What makes VoiceOver on iPhone truly remarkable is that you control it using simple gestures that let you physically interact with items on screen. It's easy to learn and fun to use. Instead of memorizing hundreds of keyboard commands, or endlessly pressing tiny arrow keys to find what you're looking for, with VoiceOver, you simply touch the screen to hear a description of the item under your finger, then gesture with a double-tap, drag, or flick to control the phone. VoiceOver delivers an experience unlike any screen reader you've ever used before. Traditional screen readers describe individual elements on the screen, but struggle to communicate where each element is located or provide information about adjoining objects. This contextual information is very important but typically filtered out by other screen readers. For example, off-screen models used by traditional screen readers to represent applications and web pages intentionally strip away contextual information and describe web pages as a list or menu of items. But with VoiceOver on iPhone 3G S, you'll experience something entirely new. So say the people at Apple. It seems they are indulging in some serious hyperbole here. As a Talks and Mobile Speak user who uses a lot of the screen readers' functionality, it is simply not the case that there are hundreds of commands to remember. Further, are arrow keys and a keyboard or number pad really so bad? It
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was slamming the iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone isn't necessarily right for everyone. On 7/13/09, John Panarese t...@optonline.net wrote: I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother downloading the actual article. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello John and all: I know this has been asked so please forgive me. Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen reader on the Mac was bad for the blind, I knew then that there were going to be some people who would rather put politics and special interests ahead of advancement for blind users. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads:
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I remember reading about new suported braille displays, including some bluetooth ones. I don't think they delved into specific details of actual supported models. On 7/7/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi- touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by
Re: IMPORTANT!!! PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY!!!
Apple didn't have to know. On 6/15/09, Jenny Kennedy blueskyes9112...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, just read this. for some reason some list messages go in the inbox and some gmail thinks is spam please disregard my last post about the snowleopard podcast sorry please don't kick me off the list. regards Jenny On 6/14/09, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, unfortunately, as you know, there has been a link posted to a podcast of VO in Snow Leopard. The lister who posted this is now banned. -And, if anyone else tries this little stunt, they will be banned as well!… Now, I do not currently know of the extent of this person's involvement in this illegal activity, however posting this sort of illegal material here is strictly forbidden, and furthermore, will be pursued to the fullest degree possible under American law. Apple has been notified, and I'll be closing this topic, so I'd encourage you all to simply leave off with it in short order. Those who insist on continuing this thread will simply be banned. (no questions asked) this list is NOT a place for illegal activity and this will ABSOLUTELY not be tolerated. Thanks very much for your consideration / cooperation. Have a great day and let's get on with other topics, shall we?… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple is shrugging off Responsibility for Accessibility
It's a slippery slope, one Apple will hopefully avoid. If they continue to add features to label and customize how VO interacts with the OS and apps they are giving themselves more work, as well as risking the awesome independence VO gives us. JFW practically dominates the keyboard, making interacting with things like web apps potentially less pleasant while VO uses specialized keys to perform all of it's functions. VO Commander sounds like a clone of what spark can do for us. Nice feature, but hopefully they don't make it too hard to interact with applications in a standard way. Labeling could result in more work for us, but if they stop there it's probably OK. On 6/10/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: I think you are wrong about this. It is yet one more tool, not some scripting ability or a way to shrug off responsibility for accessibility. What gave you the idea that this was some way to avoid the issue of accessibility? On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Did you guys see the feature to add descriptions to elements. It sounds a lot like FS's JAWS Scripts, don't you think. I think we should bprevent this from happening before it gets out of hand. Too many developers will take that as the easy way out. Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Nearly everything they point out is negative. It's almost as if they're deliberately skipping over what the screenreader does well so that they can get right to the bad stuff. My favorite has to be the section where they discuss using voiceover with the internet - while there are some legitimate problems with group mode and ajax pages (which I would've agreed with if they'd been mentioned), it does present info in a logical form to me anyway. That's subjective, but they they go on to say that commands to move between different elements of a page were not readily apparent and had to be learned. Commands need to be learned for every program, including JAWS and Window-Eyes. Yeesh! They also mentioned the fact that vo+arrowing through elements was tedius. This is tricky, but that's pretty much how JFW handles it - with the exception that you can pgdn through a page to skip bigger chunks. They didn't mention that, so not sure if they're being entirely fair. The article raised some good points - training would help explain things like the infamous double-sided cursor (which they didn't quite realize existed - for the record VO was not mis-speaking characters) and use of the mac itself in combination with voiceover. Once Apple can sell a mac to blind users with some vo-specific training, they might be able to tap into the market a little better. Of course it's doubtful they will actually do this - blind services buy computers and software for working blind people. That means Microsoft Windows and JAWS (or window-eyes I guess) because that's what workplaces use. Apple seems to have accepted and embraced it's market position as the cool slick do-it-all magic box for home users. On 6/9/09, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: The biggest problem with this article I think is that they are comparing voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to compare some things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to explorer, and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this review with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like windows. - Original Message - From: Michael Reiser To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in the june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of the concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially that vo should just read everything automatically. Ironic that many of the concerns put forth will be addressed in snow lepard. Would love toÎ hear everyone else's take on this. I'll paste the article here for easy reading. Braille Monitor June 2009 (back) (contents) (next) Report on the Ease of Access of the Apple OS 10.5 Leopard Environment with VoiceOver by Wesley Majerus From the Editor: Almost as long as computers have dominated the lives of many Americans, some people have praised the Apple products with a fervor verging on the religious. The operating system has always been more visually intuitive than that of the PC, and manipulating graphics on Apple products is apparently both easy and satisfying. But since the Apple IIe in the early days, which seems to have incorporated some speech access, Apple products have been remarkably inaccessible to blind users. Now for the first time the Apple Macintosh operating system has been equipped with VoiceOver, which provides more speech access than blind people have ever had on Apple products. But how good is it? How efficient is the speech? Does the blind user have access to every computer function? International Braille and Technology Center Access Technology Specialist Wesley Majerus set out to put the Mac and VoiceOver through their paces. Here is his report: Apple's Macintosh computer is one of the only systems to have integrated, full-function screen-access software. Because it is a part of the operating system, it is usable out of the box and on the showroom floor. You can simply walk up to any Macintosh computer running OS 10.5 Leopard and press Command (CMD)+F5 to try out the screen-access software. In this article I outline some of my impressions of VoiceOver after the weeklong evaluation I recently undertook. Throughout this document reference will be made to VO keys or to pressing VO with other keys. These references are to the VoiceOver keys, which are CTRL+Option and are held down in conjunction with other keyboard keys to perform tasks specific to the VoiceOver screen-access software. As I undertook the evaluation of VoiceOver's usability, I identified several important tasks and uses for the Macintosh. These included sending and receiving email; browsing the Web; downloading files; and file management, including moving and deleting files. I also wanted to know whether
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Really? I know FS is one of the key sponsers of the convention, but does that really mean they have an agenda? I can almost believe it, as like I said it really wasn't so much a debate of pros and cons as it was a list of cons. I don't want to help escolate this into a flame war, but I am curious to know if what people have said about blindness organizations and blind-specific tech and other companies is really true. In a perfect world they'd just want what would be best for the blind user, and I don't see how anyone could argue with mainstream screenreading action. If it's not a quality product or hasn't matured much (like Microsoft's narrator) then a complaint is justified. On 6/9/09, Michael Reiser blindgu...@gmail.com wrote: They have FS and other companies in there pockets, so they have to discredit someone else. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:54 PM, James Dietz wrote: Nearly everything they point out is negative. It's almost as if they're deliberately skipping over what the screenreader does well so that they can get right to the bad stuff. My favorite has to be the section where they discuss using voiceover with the internet - while there are some legitimate problems with group mode and ajax pages (which I would've agreed with if they'd been mentioned), it does present info in a logical form to me anyway. That's subjective, but they they go on to say that commands to move between different elements of a page were not readily apparent and had to be learned. Commands need to be learned for every program, including JAWS and Window-Eyes. Yeesh! They also mentioned the fact that vo+arrowing through elements was tedius. This is tricky, but that's pretty much how JFW handles it - with the exception that you can pgdn through a page to skip bigger chunks. They didn't mention that, so not sure if they're being entirely fair. The article raised some good points - training would help explain things like the infamous double-sided cursor (which they didn't quite realize existed - for the record VO was not mis-speaking characters) and use of the mac itself in combination with voiceover. Once Apple can sell a mac to blind users with some vo-specific training, they might be able to tap into the market a little better. Of course it's doubtful they will actually do this - blind services buy computers and software for working blind people. That means Microsoft Windows and JAWS (or window-eyes I guess) because that's what workplaces use. Apple seems to have accepted and embraced it's market position as the cool slick do-it-all magic box for home users. On 6/9/09, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: The biggest problem with this article I think is that they are comparing voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to compare some things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to explorer, and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this review with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like windows. - Original Message - From: Michael Reiser To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in the june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of the concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially that vo should just read everything automatically. Ironic that many of the concerns put forth will be addressed in snow lepard. Would love toÎ hear everyone else's take on this. I'll paste the article here for easy reading. Braille Monitor June 2009 (back) (contents) (next) Report on the Ease of Access of the Apple OS 10.5 Leopard Environment with VoiceOver by Wesley Majerus From the Editor: Almost as long as computers have dominated the lives of many Americans, some people have praised the Apple products with a fervor verging on the religious. The operating system has always been more visually intuitive than that of the PC, and manipulating graphics on Apple products is apparently both easy and satisfying. But since the Apple IIe in the early days, which seems to have incorporated some speech access, Apple products have been remarkably inaccessible to blind users. Now for the first time the Apple Macintosh operating system has been equipped with VoiceOver, which provides more speech access than blind people have ever had on Apple products. But how good is it? How efficient is the speech? Does the blind user have access to every computer function? International Braille and Technology Center Access Technology Specialist Wesley Majerus set out to put the Mac and VoiceOver through their paces. Here is his report: Apple's Macintosh computer is one of the only systems to have integrated, full-function screen-access software. Because
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Sounds to me like an improved version of Agness. I'm guessing the voice shown in the guided tour during the voice control section is the same used for VO feedback. James On 6/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yep. Sure is.. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but maybe. On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. I saw this in a demo. Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: openoffice unresponsive with vo on mac mini
you can do a search for a thread I started entitled slow mac mini. Someone gave the catalog number and everything there. I'm too crewl to do it for you. On 6/8/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I got mine at Best Buy. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jun-09, at 5:45 AM, Michael Reiser wrote: Ok where do I need to go on the apple site to find this? Or would it be easier just to call them? Thanks, Mike On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: HI, It is from Apple. you do indeed need something else. It cost about $30 Canadian for this adapter. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jun-09, at 4:33 PM, Michael Reiser wrote: Is the adaptor that comes with the computer this kind of adaptor or do I need something else? I have the adaptor plugged in right now. Mike On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, If you don't have a tru monitor plugged in you will need a Mini DVI to S-Video/Composite RCA adapter. Regarads, Alex, On 6-Jun-09, at 8:59 PM, Michael Reiser wrote: Hello all, I just got my mac mini hooked up yesterday. The connector on my monitor will not fit the mini dvi port on the computer. Also, it will not fit the adaptor that came with the computer. When I launch open office, vo becomes sluggish and takes several seconds to respond to keys. This makes openoffice unuseable. This goes away when I exit open office. I have the adaptor plugged into the mini dvi port, does this have to do with the monitor not being plugged in? Will I need another adaptor? My mini has 4 gigs of ram and a 2.0ghz processor. Just wondering if anyone elsehas experienced this. Î Thanks, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rare Apple Synth
I think someone way back mentioned the Keynote Companion. I still have one of those. The screen is cracked and broken, but the rest of the unit would work fine if the backup battery had it's charge and the watch battery was replaced. I never got too much out of it - the word processor was a lot cooler than that provided with the braille 'n speak, but the device was a little more complicated. I got it when I was 7 or 8. I never did anything useful with it. The one cool thing about it was that it could run DOS apps, so I could play old PCS games like Mobius Mountain or Shooting Range (without sound support of course). It didn't have a ton of internal memory; I think it used battery-backed ram and a ROM chip (these were the days before affordable solid-state storage). At one point I considered buying a modem for it, but that was around 2000 when BBSs and other telnet things were hard to come by (it didn't have a web browser or anything fancy like that). I did use outspoken as a child and more effectively when I was 11 - it worked really well on the old system 7 computer we had at school, but it always froze on the then-new iMacs. I learned to dislike mac as to me it was unstable platform. I hadn't a need for a new computer when tiger came out iwth Voiceover, but when my mother got a Mac Pro for the businesss and I started using Tiger's voiceover more and more I saw how convenient it was to just be able to step up and use a computer. Mac shouldn't replace PC entirely as a Mac is it's own packaged product while PCs are flexible machines. On 6/7/09, Tiffany D tiffani...@gmail.com wrote: The thing I really want is an Opticon... but wouldn't we all? Too bad they're not modernising it and don't sell them anymore. On 07/06/2009, ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a eureka; there pretty boring machines really. Most interesting part of them is there 14.4k modem. On 07/06/2009, Tiffany D tiffani...@gmail.com wrote: I think I saw a Eureka for sale online once but never got it. It would be interesting to play around with one of those. I never never knew pc/m was accessible. I'm actually trying to sell my Versapoint Duo right now. So if anyone wants it, please let me know. As for the Blazer, on the XP desktop, I have it plugged into the parallal port (using a regular cord not any kind of usb conversion) and it works as an embosser with no problem. But I've neverd used a synth on my dos machine through the parallel port. I'd use the serial and avoid all this but the port on my Blazer is broken. lol I have so many cables that I could open my own store. On 07/06/2009, arthur gindin ryoanji@gmail.com wrote: a house is not a home and a null modem is not a modem. it is a small device that reverses the connections to the devices it connects (no power supply). i have attached a more accurate description from Wikipedia. so my connection will use a USB to serial connector, a null modem, a serial to centronics connector which plugs into the Brailler. i can't say this works yet as i have just ordered the null modem, but that was Kearney's suggestion. the null modem was $13.81 from cablestogo. i'll let you know if it helps. there may be other problems, but at least there are two us trying to solve this. art Tiffany D wrote: Why would I need to use a modem? Couldn't I just instruct JAWS to use lpt1 and use a straight parallel connector? Hmm. On 06/06/2009, arthur gindin ryoanji@gmail.com wrote: Greg Kearney is helping me hook up a Braille blazer. check his recent previous emails. it start with a USB to null modem to parallel plug. cablestogo.com has null modems among other cables and voice and email support art Tiffany D wrote: This is truly fascinating and thanks for sharing. As it is, I'm trying to learn Quickbasic and am looking for 4.5 so I can load it onto my Keynote Gold running Dos 6.22. I was born in 1983 and went blind at two-months-old. In elementary school, I remember they had an Apple IIE (probaly e+), an Apple IIc and an Apple IIGS. My classmates used to play Number Munchers and Origon Trail. My first computer That we got was an Apple IIC in the early 90's. We picked it up at a garrage sail and I could remember my mother was so excited cause it was so small. She kept clicking the keys in the car (she doesn't drive so it was safe). Oddly enough, she never used it and hasn't touched a computer much until last year or so. I never got to use the IIC that much but kept it. Soon afterword, we got a Tandy 1000, which I loved but couldn't use cause I was told there was nothing accessible for it. Finally, we entered Windows in 1996 with my IBM Abtiva. I didn't use it for a few years and still wanted to use dos and the Tandy. I eventually gave that amazing machine away to someone who didn't appreciate it and who sold it. Needless to say, I was furious. But it was that or the Apple IIC and I
Re: Powering up my mac mini.
On mine the power button is a small round convex little thing right above the power jack which looks kind of like a usb or firewire port (just smaller and thinner). I don't know if they moved it for the new generation. James On 6/5/09, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I first want to thank everyone for there help. I how ever I still need one question answered. Whare is the power button located on the mac mini. I found all of the ports in the back, but did not see a power button. I did find something in the frunt that ran across the frunt but not sure what it is. I should look and see if I csan find a manual that discrives the layout of the msachine. I will let everyone know how things go with the pc keyboard when I get it up and going. I also am assooming there is a builtin speaker in the machine. I do not have an internet connection at home yet so can not go get the first few podcasts that mike did. I have 5 6 and 7, but not the first 4. Thank you again. Matthew -- You can lead a heart to love, but you can't make it fall. MSN/e-mail: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 skype: graduater2004. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Two questions of little significance
Regarding the first question: Not sure how to get the ticking to return. I've never actually heard ticking sounds for anything other than the Apple Software Update progress - all other ones are quiet with VO. Maybe I've inadvertantly turned it off, as I think softwareupdate logs in under another account when it's doing it's dirty work. Second question: you can try setting up the download progress area as a hotspot. Press vo+shift+number (any number up to 9 maybe) to save a hotspot (when your vo cursor is on the progress bar), and press vo+cmd+number to have vo describe the item at that particular hotspot. Vo+Number moves focus to the hotspot. This doesn't work with some things *ahem song name in itunes ahem*, but it's pretty neat otherwise. James On 6/2/09, Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com wrote: The first question I have is related to the ticking sound one can hear when VO is focussed on the progress indicator during a download. Somehow the ticking has stopped on my Mac, and I like it, and I want it back. I explored System Preferences Sounds, but don't see anything relating to specific events. Does anyone know how to activate the download ticking sound? My second question relates to VO actually reading the download progress indicator. I always simply VO right back and forth to hear the data. Well, the other day I pressed some key and the percentage was spoken while remaining in the same place. I thought, cool, I'll have to remember this. Now I can't reproduce it. Does anyone know a key combo to press to read a progress indicator without moving back and forth? I know these questions belong at the very bottom of a priority list, but the list is here so I'm asking. Thanks for the incredible information the list members have provided to me thus far, both in questions I've asked and reading others posts. Brett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Please help: sharp key's question
Jaws Keyboard Manager might help. Focus the JAWS window. It is under the utilities menu. James On 5/7/09, Michael Huckabay dryden.mikehucka...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening Would enyone out there know how to map key's using jaw's under fusion I red the past fred's on this but there was no clear way how to do this. So I was wundering if someone out there would clearely explane to me how to do this. Thank's verry much. dryden.mikehucka...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Slow Mac Mini
I don't have a monitor plugged in, and will not go out of my way to get one. I've tried plugging in the dvi-to-vga adapter thing, but I don't think it had an effect (I know apps which crashed or errored due to lack of video such as dvd player or anything relying on OpenGL didn't behave differently). I upgraded it with ram from newegg - I don't remember whether or not it was apple-licensed or whatever. It was certainly cheaper overall than it would've cost to get the mac mini w/ 2 gigs out of the box (believe it or not - that's apple for you). I'd disable the dashboard but really haven't bothered - I think I heard about some sort of commercial solution, but why run another app just to disable one which is already running (spotless to disable spotlight etc)? It doesn't sound right. Oh well... I've got on for a little over a year this way, I suppose I can continue. It's really finder which gives me the most grief - iTunes is pretty well-behaved since 8.x (excluding smart playlists which I have yet to try out again). James On 5/4/09, ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com wrote: Does your harddrive sound healthy? Have you upgraded the ram with non apple approoved memory (IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE) On 04/05/2009, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote: Hi James. Have you closed all the widgets? I've experienced that widgets makes my Macbook pretty slow. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 03/05/2009, at 20.09, James Dietz wrote: I did a brief search to see if this was mentioned before, only to find something on Mac Mini's issues when a mouse isn't hooked up. Certain apps are impossibly slow with my mac mini. These range from iTunes (smart playlist editor and just occasional unexplainable busys from voiceover no matter what I'm doing) to Finder (Copy and other warning dialogues literally hang voiceover for up to 10 seconds before they read anything (only to be interupted by the announcement that finder is ready; attempting o read it again results in another wait and usually another message interupting the desired information). I've a 2.0 ghz 2 gb ram mac mini, and I think it's pretty well equipped to handle something like a dialogue box in finder without hanging so frustratingly. Anyone else having similar issues with minis? I tried my roommate's new macbook and it's a lot more responsive - I haven't interacted with a finder dialogue or similar but switching apps is a little faster. James -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Slow Mac Mini
It's been slow ever since I got it a year ago, so I don't think it's logs. Sounds like it's the monitor problem. This cramps my style a bit as it's a lot harder to cary around a monitor and the mac mini is remarkably easy to port back and forth between home/school and take with me wherever I may want to go if I need it. Thanks guys - I'll steal one eventually. James On 5/4/09, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I'm sorry to have to say this, but the adapter alone won't work. There was some adapter or other one could buy from Apple i think, but i can be wrong that fooled the Mini into thinking it had a monitor, but other than that, nope, an adapter alone won't work. /Krister 4 maj 2009 kl. 18.18 skrev Brett Campbell: I submitted an almost identical post a few weeks ago. Krister's Suggestion is the ticket. My mini is brand new with 4 gb of ram. I connected a monitor and every little trouble, especially the busy disappeared. I understand being reluctant to connect a monitor, but based on my recent experience, you'll be amazed with the difference. I didn't try just using the adapter, it may work, but the monitor changes everything for sure. Brett On May 3, 2009, at 12:09 PM, James Dietz wrote: I did a brief search to see if this was mentioned before, only to find something on Mac Mini's issues when a mouse isn't hooked up. Certain apps are impossibly slow with my mac mini. These range from iTunes (smart playlist editor and just occasional unexplainable busys from voiceover no matter what I'm doing) to Finder (Copy and other warning dialogues literally hang voiceover for up to 10 seconds before they read anything (only to be interupted by the announcement that finder is ready; attempting o read it again results in another wait and usually another message interupting the desired information). I've a 2.0 ghz 2 gb ram mac mini, and I think it's pretty well equipped to handle something like a dialogue box in finder without hanging so frustratingly. Anyone else having similar issues with minis? I tried my roommate's new macbook and it's a lot more responsive - I haven't interacted with a finder dialogue or similar but switching apps is a little faster. James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tables in Pages
I think Justin himself did one way back on Blind Cool Tech. You can probably find it in the archives page (I think it was published aroune June 2007). Sorry if I stole your thunder. James On 3/27/09, E.J. Zufelt ever...@zufelt.ca wrote: Good evening Justin, Can you point us to a resource that may be a good tutorial / starting loint for latex? Thanks, Everett On 27-Mar-09, at 1:16 AM, Justin Harford wrote: Said it before and I'll say it again. I have produced the best looking documens on my mac. My work looks far better than it would have if I had stuck with windows, but this has been done with LaTeX. Tables have tended, for this reason, not to be a problem for me. J Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 26/03/2009, a las 21:10, E.J. Zufelt escribió: Yes, this one of the few reasons that I cannot switch over to te Mac for all of my day to day computer uses. The lack of good support for tables in word processors and the lack of support for the Firefox web- browser. I really cannot understand how Apple can get away with not supporting tables. Everett On 27-Mar-09, at 12:52 AM, Justin Harford wrote: That would be treu. Though it is not a matter of tables in pages, but a matter of tables in wordprocessors in general with VO. I had emailed developers about this before. J Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 26/03/2009, a las 15:43, Tom Frank escribió: I like the accessibility of Pages, that is, until I inserted a table. It seems to be totally unreadable by VO. Am I correct? Tom Frank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ipod v3.0 software
The old macintalk voice (at that time I believe it was called PlainTalker) was much more robotic. I think it was replaced in the mid-90s. The android people are working on implementing blindness accessibiliity into the G1 (and apparently the android platform). The phone uses a touchscreen. Apparently wherever the finger lands will be the 5 key, so all one has to do is slide their finger in the direction of the desired number. Was this posted here already? Hmph. On 3/21/09, Michael Babcock mbabcoc...@wou.edu wrote: never got to here the outspoken voice, any demos of it? haha On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Alex wouldn't even have to run on these devices, I would gladly settle for something like the Fred voice or the old macintalk voice that Outspoken used, anyone remember that? On Mar 20, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: I think it isn't as much a case of the processor not being up to it, the processor in the iPhone and iPod touch isn't that much less powerful than the lowest processor Tiger could run on. Running Alex may require more processing power though. The big issue is interaction. There is no physical keyboard and no concept of hover, the multi touch screen is very much a look and touch interaction model. What would change this somewhat is a haptic feedback screen that would let you feel around for buttons. As for the RAM, the iPhone and iPod touch have 128MB of RAM, but developers really only get about 64MB to play around with. - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 20 Mar 2009, at 5:28 am, Chris Blouch wrote: The actual processor and RAM footpring might not be up to the task. This could explain the great lengths used to avoid multiple concurrent apps and the whole push notification system. What if they really only had 128MB to work with? Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Kindle
I bought a digital book from amazon once. It was a PDF. I could read it with JFW years ago when I got it, so I'd doubtless be able to read it with VO if preview can read protected content. On 3/20/09, Tiffany D tiffani...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see why they wouldn't be if it's text, unless it was a jpg or some kind of image. Now I'm curious. Has anyone tried this? On 20/03/2009, Maurice Mines min...@me.com wrote: Only some books can be read with screen reading access and I guess they have just come out with a piece of software that allows you to read them visually on the mac and the pc. Don't know if those versions are accessible. On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Tiffany D wrote: Today I saw something on amazon.com called Kindle. When I looked it up, I discovered it's some kind of book-reading device and that you can download books directly from amazon. Can these downloaded files be read on a Mac? If not, is the device itself accessible and can the books be ported to another device? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Alternatively, you could hit vo+shift+m once misspelled word is announced to get to a menu of suggested words. On 3/8/09, Dan key...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar window. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: OK friends, This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like I'm out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell checking. Any help would be appreciated. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
Not sure about this myself, but if all else fails you can use JFW's keyboard manager to reassign keys you have trouble using when bound to their default assignments. There is also apparently something called shark keys or keyshark which can reassign keys, reenabling the insert key if you can't use it now. On 3/8/09, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. For instance, how do I do any commands that use the insert key? Thanks Alena --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
