RE: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay,

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done that, smile.

 

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It’s all good. I was quickly browsing through email and mis-heard my VO.





On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:26, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

It is for Reaper.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

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Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?






On Feb 1, 2022, at 20:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.

 <http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/

 

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RE: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

It is for Reaper.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

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Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?





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I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.

 <http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/

 

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RE: Favor!

[Rebecca Skipper]

I shop on Amazon all the time.

 

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sorry to bother you, do you order from Amazon? 

Thanks 

 

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Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.

http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/

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RE: External Drive for Mac?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Did you have to format the drive first?

 

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 Almost any drive will work with the Mac. I have used several thumb drives and 
regular hard drives, one as new as a couple years a go and one that’s several 
years old and was frequently used on a Windows machine with no  problems.





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Hi, list.

Any recommendations for an external drive for Mac, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks!
I'll try that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Actually you can. Tell them that you experienced an outage, and ask them for 
credit back on your bill. My mom has done it all the time I haven't done it 
personally. But she has.

> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know you could do that.
> Wish I could do that with Spectrum Internet.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Oh yes. And actually you would have to call and get a credit if you 
> experience downtime.
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay,
>> But the same can happen anywhere though I hope downtime is brief.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> So true, but I will say I don't leave in Florida actually live in Texas.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It depends on where you are in Florida and who your carrier is.
>>> However, it could be hit or miss, and I was more worried about conserving 
>>> battery.
>>> The only time I have switched to the more expensive plan was when my 
>>> Internet went down, and I needed enough data to use my phone as a hotspot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>>> 
>>> Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
>>> guess that's why I was lucky.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
>>>> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
>>>> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>>>> 
>>>> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you 
>>>> might benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of 
>>>> power outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here 
>>>> in Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw 
>>>> Encore electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>>>>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>>>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new 
>>>>>> one. And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not 
>>>>>> having to pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line 
>>>>>> plan. As the one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the 
>>>>>> please. Well you can get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock 
>>>>>>> at Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking 
>>>>>>> it to the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>> Lorie
>>>>>>> 
>>>

RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

I didn't know you could do that.
Wish I could do that with Spectrum Internet.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Oh yes. And actually you would have to call and get a credit if you experience 
downtime.

> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Okay,
> But the same can happen anywhere though I hope downtime is brief.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> So true, but I will say I don't leave in Florida actually live in Texas.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on where you are in Florida and who your carrier is.
>> However, it could be hit or miss, and I was more worried about conserving 
>> battery.
>> The only time I have switched to the more expensive plan was when my 
>> Internet went down, and I needed enough data to use my phone as a hotspot.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
>> guess that's why I was lucky.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
>>> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
>>> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>>> 
>>> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you 
>>> might benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of 
>>> power outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here 
>>> in Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw 
>>> Encore electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>>>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new 
>>>>> one. And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not 
>>>>> having to pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line 
>>>>> plan. As the one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the 
>>>>> please. Well you can get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock 
>>>>>> at Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking 
>>>>>> it to the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Lorie
>>>>>> 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay,
But the same can happen anywhere though I hope downtime is brief.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

So true, but I will say I don't leave in Florida actually live in Texas.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> It depends on where you are in Florida and who your carrier is.
> However, it could be hit or miss, and I was more worried about conserving 
> battery.
> The only time I have switched to the more expensive plan was when my Internet 
> went down, and I needed enough data to use my phone as a hotspot.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
> guess that's why I was lucky.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
>> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
>> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you 
>> might benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of 
>> power outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here 
>> in Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw 
>> Encore electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it 
>>>>> to the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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RE: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Rebecca Skipper]

I used to be one of those who wanted to run Windows on a Mac, but now I am 
comfortable with the idea of using both operating systems because both have 
something to offer.


-Original Message-
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one 
MacBook Pro

Unless you want to also run Windows on your Mac, i.e. in a virtual machine, I'd 
definitely go for some version of the M1 currently on offer. Or, wait to see 
what's released in a few months--which is what I'm doing myself.

My current laptop is an 11 inch model Mac Air. I doubt Apple will again release 
a model that small, but until we see what they release, we won't know for sure. 
My personal preference in laptops, since I can't use the screen at all, is the 
smallest model physically, loaded up with as much RAM as it will support, and 
preferably also as much disk as it will support.

Best,

Janina

Mike Arrigo writes:
> I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
> processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a 
> technology that Apple is phasing out.
> 
> > On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello friends,
> > As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
> > friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
> > Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. 
> > I would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
> > transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
> > Thank you very much in advance.
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RE: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try this support article.
Have you set up your phone already?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204184

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:46 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

I don't care how long it takes. where do I go to choose iCloud backup?

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> When you signed in did you enable iCloud backup or did you decide to download 
> your data manually?
> iCloud backup takes a while.
> You could always ask Siri to open the app store and double tap the My Account 
> under the today tab.
> Then, you could download the apps you wanted.
> However, if you are downloading an iCloud backup it should automatically 
> install your apps.
> ICloud just takes hours depending on the amount of data you have backed up..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:31 PM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: more questions about setting up iPhone s e
> 
> it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is 
> there a way to tell it to do that?
> 
> also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking 
> the callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.
> 
> thankns.
> Lorie
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RE: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,
The M1 Mac is the better option, and your friend will be able to import MS
Word files into Pages and export the Pages file back to Word.
PDF files can be read in Preview.
Is your friend using voiceover?
Though I have not tried this, I've heard that parallel isn't very accessible 
with a screen reader.
Your friend should be able to use Safari, Google Chrome, and Firefox on the Mac.
As long as the site interface meets WCAG requirements then thing should be fine 
though it would be helpful to have multiple browsers on hand.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of muhammad babar Shahzad
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one 
MacBook Pro

Hi,
Friends, I'm highly thankful to you for your enriching and informative 
suggestions. I think the M1 based Mac will be a more viable option for them. My 
friend is studying International Relations and will possibly need to use a word 
processor, consult the university’s online learning portal/electronic library, 
and go through the readings in either .dox or PDF format.
If and when required, they can also install windows as a virtual machine.
Once again, thank you so much.
Regards,
Mohammed Babar.
> On 21 Jan 2022, at 5:33 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
> processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a 
> technology that Apple is phasing out.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends,
>> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
>> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
>> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
>> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
>> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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RE: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Rebecca Skipper]

When you signed in did you enable iCloud backup or did you decide to download 
your data manually?
iCloud backup takes a while.
You could always ask Siri to open the app store and double tap the My Account 
under the today tab.
Then, you could download the apps you wanted.
However, if you are downloading an iCloud backup it should automatically 
install your apps.
ICloud just takes hours depending on the amount of data you have backed up..

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:31 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is there 
a way to tell it to do that?

also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking the 
callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.

thankns.
Lorie

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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

It depends on where you are in Florida and who your carrier is.
However, it could be hit or miss, and I was more worried about conserving 
battery.
The only time I have switched to the more expensive plan was when my Internet 
went down, and I needed enough data to use my phone as a hotspot.


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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:53 PM
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Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
guess that's why I was lucky.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
> benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power 
> outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in 
> Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore 
> electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
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RE: new iPhone se

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I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at best 
and land lines are actually better after a power outage.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power outages 
due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in Texas. But I'm 
hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore electric out 
working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.
I don't know four people right now who could benefit, but I think adding a 
second line wouldn't be so bad. If needed in the future.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Rebecca, no problem. Something else I forgot to point out, let's just say you 
had a total of four of you, it would only be 29.99 to add each additional line.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
> information.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
> data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my 
> work cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my 
> personal iPhone.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
>> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
>> I thought about exploring android in the future.
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.
It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
information.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my work 
cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my personal 
iPhone.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
> I thought about exploring android in the future.
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
> two lines for 60 bucks.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
I thought about exploring android in the future.
Thanks. 


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as taking 
your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. And by the 
way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay for two 
lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one line plan, 
is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get two lines for 
60 bucks.

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Press the home button three times quickly.


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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:05 PM
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I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the home 
button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not working 
right now. is there another way to turn on vo?

> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
> Sim card in the mail.
> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
> for two lines.
> See this link.
> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: new iPhone se
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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RE: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

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I think the most important question to ask is what applications is your friend 
going to be using.
Although I am still learning how to use the Mac, you can browse the web, 
complete assignments in Pages or text edit, and write coding.
What major is your friend going into?
If your friend needs Windows then the Intel Mac with Bootcamp might work best, 
but I would strongly recommend staying with the M1 Macs because I suspect that 
Intel Macs will lose support after a while.
My impression is that they are being phased out.
Right now, I am using Mac and Windows.
Before your friend makes any changes, please ask about what apps will be used 
for classes.
I think either operating system would be appropriate for word processing, 
email, 
And web browsing, and I have heard that the mac is preferable for audio 
production.
I have found it harder to get apps for the Mac though I have an iPhone as well.
Hope this helps.
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Subject: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook 
Pro

Hello friends,
As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my friend 
who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an Intel based 
machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I would highly 
appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of transitioning from 
Windows to Mac for university studies.
Thank you very much in advance.
Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.

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RE: USB Headset and Mac M1 Issue Resolved

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, it is annoying, but I’ve seen this in Windows as well.

At least I didn’t lose speech this time when the headset was connected.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
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Subject: Re: USB Headset and Mac M1 Issue Resolved

 

I don’t know why the default output isn’t changed automatically when the new 
device is connected, but it was the same with mine: I had to alter the 
settings. I’m sure it’s a deliberate policy choice on Apple’s part.

 

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Date: Wednesday, 19January, 2022 at 12:40
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Subject: USB Headset and Mac M1 Issue Resolved

Well,

Issue resolved.

Turned the Mac on again and grabbed a different USBC adapter and changed the 
output in sound settings.

The headset works now.

Thanks for all the responses. 

 

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USB Headset and Mac M1 Issue Resolved

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,

Issue resolved.

Turned the Mac on again and grabbed a different USBC adapter and changed the
output in sound settings.

The headset works now.

Thanks for all the responses. 

 

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RE: Help with Combo boxes, radio buttons and pop-up menus in safari.

[Rebecca Skipper]

This may be a problem only the site’s developer can fix.

The Mac and iPhone support third party browsers.

 

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Behalf Of Steve Z.
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Help with Combo boxes, radio buttons and pop-up menus in safari.

 

Hi team,

That’s what I thought. Apple should do something with that. I visited the 
Classter.com  web page. there I had to choose something on the pop-up menus and 
combo boxes, and neither VO space nor the return button worked.

Thank you very much for your help. Have a good one!





19 Ιαν 2022, 6:48 μμ, ο χρήστης «'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >» 
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Hi,

 

It kind of depends on how the developer coded the web-site.  You have multiple 
ways that you can address these elements.

 

Radio Buttons:  If the radio buttons are grouped, as in a scale thing, like 
“Select 1 through 5 depending on your degree of satisfaction”, then I can tab 
to the item, and the first item will be selected.  Using right or left arrows 
should move through the other possible buttons in that group.  Note, coming 
from before will land you on, and select the first item, whereas tabbing from 
after will land you on and first select the last item.  You can also use VO 
navigation to move through the radio button choices, then either VO-space or 
just space to select the radio button.

 

Combo Boxes or Pop-up Menus:  these are often handled in a similar manner.  
Again, it depends on the method that the developer coded these elements, but 
basically, try VO-space, then arrow down.  If that doesn’t work, press return 
on the menu, then arrow.  Sometimes, I’ve had to press return to open the combo 
box or menu items, then use VO arrows within.  You have to use everything in 
your toolbox as there doesn’t seem to be a one option fits all when it comes to 
web elements.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





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Hi list,
Yesterday I was trying to fill out a application  in Safari that included Radio 
buttons, combo boxes and pop-up menus. Some  things have lately changed and I 
couldn’t activate them.
Could you tell me how this can be done? Any help is appreciated.
Thank you.

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RE: Requesting Over the Ear Headset for Mac and IOS

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Okay, I like the way the Beats Flex pairs with the iPhone.

 

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I’d just use any of the AirPods models.  Pair with all apple devices with no 
effort at all.

 





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Hi,

Can you recommend a over the ear headset with a mic similar to a UAV headset 
that will work both with the M1 Mac, iPhone, and iPad?

I would like to have a wired option for zoom and Facetime.

I tried using a USB headset with an adapter on my Mac but it will not work with 
Voiceover.

Plug and play isn’t working.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Requesting Over the Ear Headset for Mac and IOS

[Rebecca Skipper]

Yes, but no sound unless I disconnected the headset and adapter.

I suspect that I need to tell the mac to use the headset for output and the mic 
for input but without Voiceover this is impossible. 

 

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Did you try turning the volume up?


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

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I connected a USB headset into a USBC adapter compatible with the M1 Mac.

When I plugged the headset in I lost speech entirely.

No voiceover.

No sound.

 

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When you say it didn’t work, what happened? Plug and Play should work with most 
headphones. The issue is that in there wisdom, Apple made the Mac and iPhone 
hav  different connections. What you will have to do if you want the same 
headset is get a pair for your mac and then get an lightning to USB adapter for 
your iPhone. 






On Jan 19, 2022, at 05:41, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

Can you recommend a over the ear headset with a mic similar to a UAV headset 
that will work both with the M1 Mac, iPhone, and iPad?

I would like to have a wired option for zoom and Facetime.

I tried using a USB headset with an adapter on my Mac but it will not work with 
Voiceover.

Plug and play isn’t working.

Thanks.

 

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RE: Requesting Over the Ear Headset for Mac and IOS

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I connected a USB headset into a USBC adapter compatible with the M1 Mac.

When I plugged the headset in I lost speech entirely.

No voiceover.

No sound.

 

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When you say it didn’t work, what happened? Plug and Play should work with most 
headphones. The issue is that in there wisdom, Apple made the Mac and iPhone 
hav  different connections. What you will have to do if you want the same 
headset is get a pair for your mac and then get an lightning to USB adapter for 
your iPhone. 





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Hi,

Can you recommend a over the ear headset with a mic similar to a UAV headset 
that will work both with the M1 Mac, iPhone, and iPad?

I would like to have a wired option for zoom and Facetime.

I tried using a USB headset with an adapter on my Mac but it will not work with 
Voiceover.

Plug and play isn’t working.

Thanks.

 

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Requesting Over the Ear Headset for Mac and IOS

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Hi,

Can you recommend a over the ear headset with a mic similar to a UAV headset
that will work both with the M1 Mac, iPhone, and iPad?

I would like to have a wired option for zoom and Facetime.

I tried using a USB headset with an adapter on my Mac but it will not work
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RE: new iPhone se

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Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a Sim 
card in the mail.
be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
for two lines.
See this link.
https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation


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Subject: new iPhone se

I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to the 
store? if so, how do I do it?

thanks.
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RE: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

[Rebecca Skipper]

I have Office 365 and can use it on the Mac.

I do not know if Libra Office or Open Office works on the Mac.

 

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Pages does not allow you to work in a .DOC  or .DOCX format. You can export 
your final product to a MS word format, but that's not at all the same thing as 
being able to work in one of those formats.

- Brad -


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I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
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In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.

 

Kristeen






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Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro <https://www.nisus.com/pro/> . Also, if 
you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in earlier 
MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even get 
Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.

In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:

1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.

2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.

3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.

4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.

5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.

 

 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn









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After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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[Rebecca Skipper]

I think Pages would be your best bet, and it is free on IOS and the mac.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A couple of question after getting a new Mac Air

 

In terms of a word processor, I’d like something that will allow me to save 
files in in .docx format. I’m also not interested in one of those 
subscription-based word processors where you pay for it by the month. I’m happy 
to pay for something that will meet my needs, but I’d prefer a one-time payment 
rather than paying by the month or year. Lastly, I’d rather not use a processor 
that requires an internet connection. I generally prefer to do my writing 
offline.

As far as that Google prompt goes, google mail is working without issue. I 
followed those instructions in system preferences, but once I get to internet 
accounts, it shows the account is logged in. It’s almost like that notification 
comes up without actually needing to, like it hasn’t cleared or something.

Thank you in advance for any insight you might have.

 

Kristeen





On Jan 13, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Concerning editors, a word count is something that can be easily added via a 
script, so what other features are you looking for in a text editor? There are 
several around from Emacs to nisus Pro  . Also, if 
you look for something in the App Store it is harder to use than in earlier 
MacOS systems, but tends to have quite a few things. . One could even get 
Microsoft Word, but I find it more difficult than pages to work with.

In terms of the Google   prompt, is  Google mail working? I would suggest 
either logging out or force quitting System Preferences. What should happen is:

1. You click on the Google account in System Preferences Internet Accounts.

2. A prompt comes up saying you need to enter the information in a Browser 
window.

3. You click the OK, proceed or whatever the button is there.

4. Safari opens in a private browsing window and you enter your Google 
credentials.

5. At this point the prompt to open a browser to enter the password should be 
gone.

 

 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:16, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

After getting a new Mac Air and setting it up, my partner has a couple of minor 
issues.
First of all, what are people using as a simple text editor that has a few more 
features than Text Edit, such as being able to get a word count, but is not as 
complex as Pages? iText Express was her go-to editor, but it does not work with 
the new Air and/or OS.

Also, she can’t get rid of the Google login screen. The computer is logged into 
the Google account, but the request to log in with the username and password 
will not go away. Any thoughts would be appreciated. She did try going back 
into System Preferences and to Internet accounts and attempt to log back in, 
but it is not letting her do this.

Kristeen

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RE: Word games for the Mac?

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If you have some apps on your iPhone or iPad that are compatible with the Mac I 
believe they will show up on the app store.

 

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I don’t know, but if you have an M1-based Mac, you can run some iPad apps as 
well, expanding the range of possibilities.

 

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Morning all,

Are there any accessible word games for the Mac? It can be from the App Store 
or from the web.

Thank you,
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RE: Question of the Week: What is your Favorite Apple product and Why?

[Rebecca Skipper]

My favorite Apple device is my iPhone SE2020.
It is almost like a tricorder from Star Trek.
I can use it as my communicator.
I wished it had a replicator, but I love to use it to pay bills, order food, 
and so much more.
The iPod Touch is my second favorite device because it has a headphone jack and 
is thin and portable.

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Subject: Question of the Week: What is your Favorite Apple product and Why?

Hello Everyone,

My favorite Apple product, at the moment, is my Apple watch with the weather 
Complication.  

Why?

Because I really enjoy the weather Complication as it allows me to easily see 
the temperature, hour-by-hour, via the Digital Crown, for the remainder of the 
day.  I find this extremely helpful when determining when to start a fire, in 
my fireplace, or when to turn on the furnace.

In the rainy season, using the Digital Crown, I can easily scroll through the 
remainder of the day to see the rain forecast, hour-by-hour.

I truly do appreciate all of my Apple products for the independence they allow 
me to enjoy; however, at the moment, I would say that Apple watch with the 
weather Complication is topping my favorites list.

What is your favorite Apple product and why?

I look forward to your replies,

Mark


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RE: Accessibility of Google Apps (docs, sheets and slides)

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Please take a look at this support article from Google.
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632199?hl=en

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Subject: Accessibility of Google Apps (docs, sheets and slides)

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I would like to know whether it is possible to use Google Apps of Docs, Slides 
and Sheets across Mac, Windows, iOS and Linux.

How are they compared to MS Office or Apple iWork apps or Libre Office for 
linux?

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed

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RE: Material for learning the mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,

Blind Information Technology Specialists has a free user List and a $20.00 
annual membership entitling you to participate in or download various 
technology tutorials.

The website is https://bits-acb.org/drupal77/

The BITS Announce email list can be reached by subscribing to 
bits-announce+subscr...@groups.io <mailto:bits-announce+subscr...@groups.io> .

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:58 AM
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Subject: Re: Material for learning the mac

 

what is bits? How do I subscribe?

shirley

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:53 AM

Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

 

Hope you got the Word file I sent.

If you are subscribed to BITS there is a Mac by the BITS monthly tutorial. 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Material for learning the mac

 

Thanks Rebecca! This is all really helpful info!

shirley

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

 

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0=dd_id=0>
 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

 

 

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Behalf Of Many of us
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Subject: Material for learning the mac

 

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com <mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com> 

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Material for learning the mac

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Hope you got the Word file I sent.

If you are subscribed to BITS there is a Mac by the BITS monthly tutorial. 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Many of us
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Material for learning the mac

 

Thanks Rebecca! This is all really helpful info!

shirley

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From: Rebecca Skipper <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

 

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0=dd_id=0>
 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
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Subject: Material for learning the mac

 

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com <mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com> 

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Material for learning the mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 

 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

 

 

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Subject: Material for learning the mac

 

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com  

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

I didn’t know this was the same command on both operating systems.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 12:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi Rebecca,

 

Regarding Sticky keys, it is a feature you find on both Mac and Windows by 
pressing shift key 5 times in a row.

 

It is useful for example in case you want to use a single hand to do a 
difficult keystrokes. If you press whatever modifier key (ctrl, shift, option 
or alt, or command, you don’t need to hold the button beside the other letter 
keys. You can just press them once and continue your shortcut .

 

I hope my words are clear enough.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 

 





On 8 Dec 2021, at 12:57 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

I was referring to the VO lock keys, but again, I’m getting Windows and Mac 
terminology confused.

It is nice though to have so many customizations.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Rebecca,

I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s not 
actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be held 
electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another place 
and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both keys down 
at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.

 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 








On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.






- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad comm

RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

I was referring to the VO lock keys, but again, I’m getting Windows and Mac 
terminology confused.

It is nice though to have so many customizations.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Rebecca,

I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s not 
actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be held 
electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another place 
and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both keys down 
at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.

 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 







On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.





- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

I used the wrong terminology. I should have referred to this as locking 
Voiceover Keys.

I’m still new to the Mac and use Windows as my primary device for now.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Rebekah, like you I like using the sticky keys. It is definitely very easy.





On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 






On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.




- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, thanks.

Still a handy feature to have.

I think I am getting Windows and Mac terminology confused.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Locking the VO modifier using VO + semi-colon, is not a Sticky Key function.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 16:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 







On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.





- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

Yes, but I think it is important to point out that the Mac has a lot more 
customizations than Windows which surprises me.

Hopefully, more apps will be supported on the M1.

 

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

No worries.  I hope that this discussion is helping to clarify.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:37, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sorry, I’m new to the Mac and am getting the terms confused.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation on 
the web.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 








On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.






- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, bu

RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Sorry, I’m new to the Mac and am getting the terms confused.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation on 
the web.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 







On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.





- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 






On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.




- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

I understand that the operating systems are different, but I always try to look 
for similarities to make the learning curve a little easier.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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There are some similarities in the keyboard commands, but the operating systems 
are very different.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:39, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The keyboard shortcuts are similar though, right?

 

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Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 





On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.



- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

The keyboard shortcuts are similar though, right?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
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Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

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screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

[Rebecca Skipper]

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard Windows 
screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of how mouse 
navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, TrackPad 
Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad navigation 
definitely was.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I'm not aware of any such thing.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

 

I have been using YouTubeToMP3Converter from MediaHuman.com 
<http://MediaHuman.com>  for a long time.

It is mostly VoiceOver accessible, and certainly worth a try.

 

https://www.mediahuman.com/download.html

 

 

- Brad -

 

 

On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:27, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.
If you find other apps that work well on either platform please feel free to 
post.
YTD downloader free and pro versions use to work well but are not as accessible 
on Windows.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

I tried Downie4 for the Mac and it was OK. I used to use Free Youtube to Mp3 
Converter but it stopped working years ago.




On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:22, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can understand that.
Are there other programs you like better?

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
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Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

I find both to be equal. The one thing I like better about Windows is better 
control of my downloads folder. They both download videos slowly though and 
that is aggravating.




On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:17, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well,
I hope it is better than the Windows latest version.
If you like this version be sure to keep the app in case you don't like future 
updates.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

OK, I’m impressed. Did not know Ponti’s had a Mac version. I like it though I 
can’t figure out just yet how to change the download folder location. It does 
give a  warning about not being updated, but I gave it a video and it converted 
it just fine.





On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:55, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,
Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd

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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
To: macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: how to download a youtube video

Hello,
I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
this location where we have no Internet access.
Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an iPhone 
or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter and an HDMI 
cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about once every 
month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I could 
then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest software. Many 
thanks for any tips.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.
If you find other apps that work well on either platform please feel free to 
post.
YTD downloader free and pro versions use to work well but are not as accessible 
on Windows.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

I tried Downie4 for the Mac and it was OK. I used to use Free Youtube to Mp3 
Converter but it stopped working years ago.

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:22, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I can understand that.
> Are there other programs you like better?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video
> 
> I find both to be equal. The one thing I like better about Windows is better 
> control of my downloads folder. They both download videos slowly though and 
> that is aggravating.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:17, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Well,
>> I hope it is better than the Windows latest version.
>> If you like this version be sure to keep the app in case you don't like 
>> future updates.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:44 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video
>> 
>> OK, I’m impressed. Did not know Ponti’s had a Mac version. I like it though 
>> I can’t figure out just yet how to change the download folder location. It 
>> does give a  warning about not being updated, but I gave it a video and it 
>> converted it just fine.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:55, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
>>> https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: how to download a youtube video
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
>>> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video 
>>> in this location where we have no Internet access.
>>> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
>>> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
>>> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this 
>>> about once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
>>> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
>>> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
>>> software. Many thanks for any tips.
>>> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

I can understand that.
Are there other programs you like better?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

I find both to be equal. The one thing I like better about Windows is better 
control of my downloads folder. They both download videos slowly though and 
that is aggravating.

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 21:17, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well,
> I hope it is better than the Windows latest version.
> If you like this version be sure to keep the app in case you don't like 
> future updates.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video
> 
> OK, I’m impressed. Did not know Ponti’s had a Mac version. I like it though I 
> can’t figure out just yet how to change the download folder location. It does 
> give a  warning about not being updated, but I gave it a video and it 
> converted it just fine.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:55, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
>> https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
>> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries 
>> Subject: how to download a youtube video
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
>> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video 
>> in this location where we have no Internet access.
>> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
>> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
>> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this 
>> about once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
>> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
>> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
>> software. Many thanks for any tips.
>> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,
I hope it is better than the Windows latest version.
If you like this version be sure to keep the app in case you don't like future 
updates.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

OK, I’m impressed. Did not know Ponti’s had a Mac version. I like it though I 
can’t figure out just yet how to change the download folder location. It does 
give a  warning about not being updated, but I gave it a video and it converted 
it just fine.


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:55, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
> https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries 
> Subject: how to download a youtube video
> 
> Hello,
> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
> this location where we have no Internet access.
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about 
> once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
> software. Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,
Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: how to download a youtube video

Hello,
I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
this location where we have no Internet access.
Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an iPhone 
or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter and an HDMI 
cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about once every 
month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I could 
then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest software. Many 
thanks for any tips.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Actually, 
Pontse Media downloader is a free app for the Mac and windows that can download 
YouTube videos and convert them to audio or allow you to download the original 
video.
https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader
the official page for this program is https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

The easiest way if you want the actual video is to subscribe to Youtube 
premium. One of the benefits besides no commercials is the ability to download 
videos in the app for offline playback. It’s about $10 a month. You just open 
the video you want and there’s a download button.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:10, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
> this location where we have no Internet access.
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about 
> once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
> software. Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, I am not sure since I do not have a Mini.

However, a monitor or dongle might be needed.

Does your friend have a TV.

If the right ports are available, maybe that can be used as a monitor just to 
get through setup.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:59 PM
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I haven’t had to have a dongle since the end of 2013. Would they actually make 
it that way again with the new minis? I would find that strange.

 

Kristeen

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
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Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 






On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

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Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 





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Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





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plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
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Kristeen
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RE: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think Monterey is the first OS on Mac to offer this feature directly.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:51 AM
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It’s voice overs OCR capacity peculiar to Big Sur only? I have Catalina and 
find no such voice recognition category in the voiceover utility. Sent from my 
IPhone

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 1:02 AM, Muhammad Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This feature works as well on Intel Mac. I’ve got MBP 2016 15” and it does 
work.

 

The key difference between Intel and Apple Silicon in this regard is in the 
speed of recognition. I think it will be much faster on Apple silicon. That is 
because it is much faster and much responsive on iPhone 10s compared. To my MBP.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 





On 28 Oct 2021, at 6:50 AM, Frank Ventura mailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com> > wrote:

 

Donna & all, much has been said about this and M1 powered Macs. However my Mac 
is a 2020 Intel model and it has the image recognition feature and it works 
fine.

Sincerely, 

Frank Ventura

 

frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com  

 

~Sent from my Apple Mac Book Air~





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Thanks for this, Tim.  This was really helpful.  And in case anyone feels like 
one-upping JAWS and Windows, the Mac did a much better job with the OCR. 

Cheers,

Donna





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Hi Donna, 

 

Basically, the answer is “yes”, as long as you have an M1 Mac.  First, in 
VoiceOver Utility, under the VoiceOver Recognition category, make sure that 
Image Recognition is enabled.  You can download extra languages as well if any 
of your images require translation or to be spoken in another language.  Next, 
open the pdf in Preview and navigate VO to the Document area where the image 
is.  Finally, press VO-shift-l.  This should do the job.  I tested this on a 
screen shot and it worked, sort of.  The first time I pressed VO-shift-l, VO 
said “Preview, Not Responding”, then said “No Description Available”, Thus I 
said “Hmph”.  So, being persistent and all, I waited a few seconds and pressed 
VO-shift-l again, and low and behold, it read out the text on my screen shot.  
It did a wonderful job too.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada





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Hey all,

Someone just sent me a PDF image file.  Is there a way to make the Mac OCR it?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Pageup & Pagedown, Home & End Keys?

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On most Laptops, pressing the fn key followed by the arrow keys is another way 
to use home (fn left arrow), fn up arrow (page up), fn right arrow (end) and fn 
down arrow (page down).

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 8:42 PM
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Subject: Pageup & Pagedown, Home & End Keys?

 

Hi, Group.

How can I have Pageup, Pagedown, Home and End keys when my Bluetooth keyboard 
does not have numpad and six pack?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

Helpful info.

 

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Hi,

 

If you have a scanner, then you can use the Image Capture app that comes stock 
with your Mac.  If the connection is not made automatically, you can download 
drivers from the vender site.  After scanning, you should be able to use this 
process.

 

Alternatively, you could take a picture of the document with the Mac’s built-in 
camera, then use the same command from within the Photos app.  This method 
might be a little more awkward as it might be difficult lining things up well., 
but doable.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Oct 27, 2021, at 12:14 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Can you scan and OCR files on the Mac or are you limited to electronic 
recognition?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Rebecca,

 

The function that we are discussing pertains only to electronic files.  But you 
can install scanner drivers on the Mac.  You should be able to just download 
them from the appropriate site, and open the zip file, then press enter on the 
executable file to install.  It’s been forever since I’ve done this, so there 
may be some subtle differences, but when I did it, it was super easy.

Best,

Donna

 






On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

How do I install scanner drivers on the Mac?

Can I use this feature to scan documents or will I need a third party app?

Thanks.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Thanks for this, Tim.  This was really helpful.  And in case anyone feels like 
one-upping JAWS and Windows, the Mac did a much better job with the OCR.

Cheers,

Donna







On Oct 27, 2021, at 11:52 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

 

Basically, the answer is “yes”, as long as you have an M1 Mac.  First, in 
VoiceOver Utility, under the VoiceOver Recognition category, make sure that 
Image Recognition is enabled.  You can download extra languages as well if any 
of your images require translation or to be spoken in another language.  Next, 
open the pdf in Preview and navigate VO to the Document area where the image 
is.  Finally, press VO-shift-l.  This should do the job.  I tested this on a 
screen shot and it worked, sort of.  The first time I pressed VO-shift-l, VO 
said “Preview, Not Responding”, then said “No Description Available”, Thus I 
said “Hmph”.  So, being persistent and all, I waited a few seconds and pressed 
VO-shift-l again, and low and behold, it read out the text on my screen shot.  
It did a wonderful job too.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







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Hey all,

Someone just sent me a PDF image file.  Is there a way to make the Mac OCR it?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

I think I might try PDF Pin for that then.

Thanks.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Oh, you can scan files on the Mac.  I think the OCR software that most people 
use is ABBYY Fine-reader.

Donna

 





On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

Can you scan and OCR files on the Mac or are you limited to electronic 
recognition?

 

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Rebecca,

 

The function that we are discussing pertains only to electronic files.  But you 
can install scanner drivers on the Mac.  You should be able to just download 
them from the appropriate site, and open the zip file, then press enter on the 
executable file to install.  It’s been forever since I’ve done this, so there 
may be some subtle differences, but when I did it, it was super easy.

Best,

Donna

 






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How do I install scanner drivers on the Mac?

Can I use this feature to scan documents or will I need a third party app?

Thanks.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Thanks for this, Tim.  This was really helpful.  And in case anyone feels like 
one-upping JAWS and Windows, the Mac did a much better job with the OCR.

Cheers,

Donna







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wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

 

Basically, the answer is “yes”, as long as you have an M1 Mac.  First, in 
VoiceOver Utility, under the VoiceOver Recognition category, make sure that 
Image Recognition is enabled.  You can download extra languages as well if any 
of your images require translation or to be spoken in another language.  Next, 
open the pdf in Preview and navigate VO to the Document area where the image 
is.  Finally, press VO-shift-l.  This should do the job.  I tested this on a 
screen shot and it worked, sort of.  The first time I pressed VO-shift-l, VO 
said “Preview, Not Responding”, then said “No Description Available”, Thus I 
said “Hmph”.  So, being persistent and all, I waited a few seconds and pressed 
VO-shift-l again, and low and behold, it read out the text on my screen shot.  
It did a wonderful job too.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







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Hey all,

Someone just sent me a PDF image file.  Is there a way to make the Mac OCR it?
TIA,
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RE: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

Can you scan and OCR files on the Mac or are you limited to electronic 
recognition?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Rebecca,

 

The function that we are discussing pertains only to electronic files.  But you 
can install scanner drivers on the Mac.  You should be able to just download 
them from the appropriate site, and open the zip file, then press enter on the 
executable file to install.  It’s been forever since I’ve done this, so there 
may be some subtle differences, but when I did it, it was super easy.

Best,

Donna

 





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How do I install scanner drivers on the Mac?

Can I use this feature to scan documents or will I need a third party app?

Thanks.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Thanks for this, Tim.  This was really helpful.  And in case anyone feels like 
one-upping JAWS and Windows, the Mac did a much better job with the OCR.

Cheers,

Donna






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mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

 

Basically, the answer is “yes”, as long as you have an M1 Mac.  First, in 
VoiceOver Utility, under the VoiceOver Recognition category, make sure that 
Image Recognition is enabled.  You can download extra languages as well if any 
of your images require translation or to be spoken in another language.  Next, 
open the pdf in Preview and navigate VO to the Document area where the image 
is.  Finally, press VO-shift-l.  This should do the job.  I tested this on a 
screen shot and it worked, sort of.  The first time I pressed VO-shift-l, VO 
said “Preview, Not Responding”, then said “No Description Available”, Thus I 
said “Hmph”.  So, being persistent and all, I waited a few seconds and pressed 
VO-shift-l again, and low and behold, it read out the text on my screen shot.  
It did a wonderful job too.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






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Hey all,

Someone just sent me a PDF image file.  Is there a way to make the Mac OCR it?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

[Rebecca Skipper]

How do I install scanner drivers on the Mac?

Can I use this feature to scan documents or will I need a third party app?

Thanks.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can the Mac OCR an image file?

 

Thanks for this, Tim.  This was really helpful.  And in case anyone feels like 
one-upping JAWS and Windows, the Mac did a much better job with the OCR.

Cheers,

Donna





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mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

 

Basically, the answer is “yes”, as long as you have an M1 Mac.  First, in 
VoiceOver Utility, under the VoiceOver Recognition category, make sure that 
Image Recognition is enabled.  You can download extra languages as well if any 
of your images require translation or to be spoken in another language.  Next, 
open the pdf in Preview and navigate VO to the Document area where the image 
is.  Finally, press VO-shift-l.  This should do the job.  I tested this on a 
screen shot and it worked, sort of.  The first time I pressed VO-shift-l, VO 
said “Preview, Not Responding”, then said “No Description Available”, Thus I 
said “Hmph”.  So, being persistent and all, I waited a few seconds and pressed 
VO-shift-l again, and low and behold, it read out the text on my screen shot.  
It did a wonderful job too.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





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Someone just sent me a PDF image file.  Is there a way to make the Mac OCR it?
TIA,
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RE: updating to Monterey

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,

I was behind on the Big Sur updates, and my first attempt at upgrading failed 
so that is why I updated Big Sur first.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: updating to Monterey

 

Open System Preferences > Software Update, and see which update is offered.

If Monterey is offered, then there is no reason to do Big Sur first.


- Brad -

 

On Oct 26, 2021, at 16:08, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try updating the software for Big Sur first.

That is what I had to do.

 

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You have been told wrong.

Monterey will run on any system that will run Big Sur.

 


- Brad -

 

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Hi lorry i was told that if you have a MacBook 2014 you are unable to get 
monterey on your system so big Sur is the latest you can have. 





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I think it's probably too soon to update but I'd like to know what those of you 
who did it think of Monterey. I'm still running Catalina. I have a late 2014 
Mac mini still running very well. I'm not inclined to install Big Sur. I never 
heard anything I liked about it. Catalina is fine except for podcasts and I 
don't know if anything's been done about that in Monterey or not. opinions 
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RE: updating to Monterey

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try updating the software for Big Sur first.

That is what I had to do.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: updating to Monterey

 

You have been told wrong.

Monterey will run on any system that will run Big Sur.

 


- Brad -

 

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Hi lorry i was told that if you have a MacBook 2014 you are unable to get 
monterey on your system so big Sur is the latest you can have. 




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Thanks.
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RE: Ignore, problem solved: Re: Can't pair focus bluetooth braille display with macbook air running Monterey

[Rebecca Skipper]

How did you resolve the problem?
Just curious.

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> On 26 Oct 2021, at 11:31, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello,
> 
> I previously used the said focus 40 bluetooth with macbook pro running Big 
> Sur and everything was fine: I could use the display either via usb or 
> bluetooth..  Having upgraded my macbook air silicon to Monterey, I am unable 
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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think that we should avoid running Windows on Mac and Mac on Windows.
Having used both operating systems to some degree, I've learned that each one 
works best in their native environments.
I find Mac's supported apps limited and wish I could run more IOS apps on the 
Mac.
I have to use two devices to get the same things accomplished that I could do 
on Windows.
To be fair though, I'm not familiar with Pages.
I hope OCR continues to improve.
Use both operating systems if you depend on technology for work.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows machine, 
and create Mac OS virtual machine using whatever virtualization software.

This has a couple of issues:
1. It is illegal. As the user agreement of Mac OS, you should not run Mac OS on 
any non Apple machine. I don’t remember the exact text, but it is easily 
understandable.
2. It is very slow compared to getting a Mac machine and run windows on it 
using virtualization.

HTH,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 25 Oct 2021, at 7:06 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by “running Mac on Windows”.
> 
> You can already virtualise (that is, create a virtual environment for) and 
> dual-boot (that is, reboot and then start as though on a PC) Windows. Macs 
> make very fine Windows machines either way, providing you understand the 
> limitations of the hardware and driver support. Modern Windows is very 
> power-efficient and if you configure it correctly it can run every bit as 
> nicely as macOS, although on notebooks with discrete GPUs Apple has always 
> prejudiced the integrated GPU (there are workarounds, if you know where to 
> look).
> 
> I mostly run Apple stock apps on my Macs, but the bulk of it is in Linux VMs 
> or Terminal. Any consideration to move exclusively to Apple Silicon would 
> mean, for me, deciding which platform was the lesser evil for essentially 
> day-to-day apps; I would simply have to have (and carry about) multiple 
> machines, otherwise. Right now my iMac does the work, and runs both platforms 
> well, but I don’t boot Windows very often at all and it might simply be time 
> to leave Windows behind altogether when travelling. Alternatively, of course, 
> I purchase a cheap Apple Silicon notebook for the few (and, I’ll be honest, 
> generally less important) things macOS does well, and begin the painful 
> transition back to Windows full-time. I’m not sure which, yet. Given that my 
> VMs are Linux, and Windows now has WSL for Linux command-line software, it’s 
> actually not an easy call to make any more—I think the reason I’m stuck to 
> macOS is mostly familiarity and the overall experience, but it clearly also 
> has limitations that would be amplified by Apple Silicon and not having 
> Windows around as rescue, however infrequently that actually happens.
> 
> I don’t know the accessibility status of Windows 365, but I don’t really 
> fancy renting my computer in the cloud. My beef with Windows as a platform 
> isn’t such that I’d avoid it at all costs, but realistically I’d have to use 
> it on a day to day basis and the cloud isn’t good value for that.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think the best option for consumers is to get both operating systems if they 
can.

There are things I still prefer on Windows.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 7:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

You need an Intel Mac if you are wanting to run Windows. I have also heard 
Parallels is not accessible so if you are have or are getting an m1 Mac, you 
will most likely need a separate machine if you want Windows. 





On Oct 25, 2021, at 16:58, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

This is another reason why I’ve given up on the idea of installing Windows on a 
Mac.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

Parallels has had a reputation for not being accessible with VoiceOver. 
However, I don’t have it installed, so I can’t comment on the latest version.

 

Note that unless Microsoft decides to license Windows for ARM processors for 
Apple devices, it won’t be legal (even if technically possible) to run Windows 
11 under Parallels, VMWare, or other virtualization solutions in Mac OS.

 

Linux, by contrast, doesn’t have this problem: you can run as many Linux 
virtual machines as you wish.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on 
behalf of Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
>
Date: Monday, October 25, 2021 at 15:35
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

Is parallels on M1 accessible with voiceover?

I prefer the Mac’s menu driven system and its mail app.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

I don’t use any Windows applications for which there isn’t a Mac OS equivalent. 
I have them installed in parallel, on separate machines, and I can use either. 
As to which it best, it depends on the application. For example, Microsoft 
Outlook for Mac is better than the Windows version in ways that matter to me – 
including the fact that the Mac version doesn’t crash very often, whereas the 
Windows version does. On the other hand, Microsoft Word is more accessible 
under Windows, but I’m a very occasional Microsoft Word user, and could 
probably substitute Pages easily for those few situations.

 

I read an article a while ago which claimed that most Mac users these days 
don’t need Windows for anything whatsoever. Apparently, survey results show 
overwhelmingly that most Mac users don’t install Windows. So it may be that the 
number of users who want to do this isn’t large enough for Apple or Microsoft 
to care about anymore. The signals from Microsoft indicate that they have no 
plan to license Windows 11 for ARM to run on Mac M1 hardware or its successors 
– they’ve officially described this as an “unsupported scenario”. The 
virtualization vendors may well find that there’s no Windows for ARM licensing 
option available for their customers on Mac.

 

On 10/25/21, 10:43, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> " mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

When I purchased my M1 machine in June, I was informed that Boot Camp no longer 
existed and that was machines If it had, I probably would’ve installed windows 
on the same machine. Personally, at this point, I am OK with running a separate 
machine although I will say that I’m spending almost all of my time on the Mac 
side. If I had installed windows, I don’t think that would’ve been the case. So 
maybe it’s for the best. I think Apple would think so.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

> 

> I have an M1 Mac not an Intel Mac.

> I haven't heard anything about Bootcamp working on the M1, and why mess up a 
> good machine since I already have a windows computer.

> If someone needed windows and still wanted a mac why not just buy a Mac Mini 
> and a Windows Tablet.

> 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom> 
>  mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen

> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 9:29 AM

> To: macv

RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

This is another reason why I’ve given up on the idea of installing Windows on a 
Mac.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

Parallels has had a reputation for not being accessible with VoiceOver. 
However, I don’t have it installed, so I can’t comment on the latest version.

 

Note that unless Microsoft decides to license Windows for ARM processors for 
Apple devices, it won’t be legal (even if technically possible) to run Windows 
11 under Parallels, VMWare, or other virtualization solutions in Mac OS.

 

Linux, by contrast, doesn’t have this problem: you can run as many Linux 
virtual machines as you wish.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on 
behalf of Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
>
Date: Monday, October 25, 2021 at 15:35
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

Is parallels on M1 accessible with voiceover?

I prefer the Mac’s menu driven system and its mail app.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

I don’t use any Windows applications for which there isn’t a Mac OS equivalent. 
I have them installed in parallel, on separate machines, and I can use either. 
As to which it best, it depends on the application. For example, Microsoft 
Outlook for Mac is better than the Windows version in ways that matter to me – 
including the fact that the Mac version doesn’t crash very often, whereas the 
Windows version does. On the other hand, Microsoft Word is more accessible 
under Windows, but I’m a very occasional Microsoft Word user, and could 
probably substitute Pages easily for those few situations.

 

I read an article a while ago which claimed that most Mac users these days 
don’t need Windows for anything whatsoever. Apparently, survey results show 
overwhelmingly that most Mac users don’t install Windows. So it may be that the 
number of users who want to do this isn’t large enough for Apple or Microsoft 
to care about anymore. The signals from Microsoft indicate that they have no 
plan to license Windows 11 for ARM to run on Mac M1 hardware or its successors 
– they’ve officially described this as an “unsupported scenario”. The 
virtualization vendors may well find that there’s no Windows for ARM licensing 
option available for their customers on Mac.

 

On 10/25/21, 10:43, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> " mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

When I purchased my M1 machine in June, I was informed that Boot Camp no longer 
existed and that was machines If it had, I probably would’ve installed windows 
on the same machine. Personally, at this point, I am OK with running a separate 
machine although I will say that I’m spending almost all of my time on the Mac 
side. If I had installed windows, I don’t think that would’ve been the case. So 
maybe it’s for the best. I think Apple would think so.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

> 

> I have an M1 Mac not an Intel Mac.

> I haven't heard anything about Bootcamp working on the M1, and why mess up a 
> good machine since I already have a windows computer.

> If someone needed windows and still wanted a mac why not just buy a Mac Mini 
> and a Windows Tablet.

> 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom> 
>  mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen

> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 9:29 AM

> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

> 

> I don’t think it’s possible to run Mac on Windows. . What is making you 
> change your mind about running Window’s on Bootcamp? I like the fact that I 
> get a clean install and a machin that has much better hardware. My only 
> limitation is that if I ever get a newer Mac, I will either have to switch to 
> the  365 or use a separate machine.

> 

>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 00:27, Rebecca Skipper > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>> 

>> Well,

>> I was intrigued by the idea of running windows on a Mac, but I am starting 
>&g

RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Is parallels on M1 accessible with voiceover?

I prefer the Mac’s menu driven system and its mail app.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

I don’t use any Windows applications for which there isn’t a Mac OS equivalent. 
I have them installed in parallel, on separate machines, and I can use either. 
As to which it best, it depends on the application. For example, Microsoft 
Outlook for Mac is better than the Windows version in ways that matter to me – 
including the fact that the Mac version doesn’t crash very often, whereas the 
Windows version does. On the other hand, Microsoft Word is more accessible 
under Windows, but I’m a very occasional Microsoft Word user, and could 
probably substitute Pages easily for those few situations.

 

I read an article a while ago which claimed that most Mac users these days 
don’t need Windows for anything whatsoever. Apparently, survey results show 
overwhelmingly that most Mac users don’t install Windows. So it may be that the 
number of users who want to do this isn’t large enough for Apple or Microsoft 
to care about anymore. The signals from Microsoft indicate that they have no 
plan to license Windows 11 for ARM to run on Mac M1 hardware or its successors 
– they’ve officially described this as an “unsupported scenario”. The 
virtualization vendors may well find that there’s no Windows for ARM licensing 
option available for their customers on Mac.

 

On 10/25/21, 10:43, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> " mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

When I purchased my M1 machine in June, I was informed that Boot Camp no longer 
existed and that was machines If it had, I probably would’ve installed windows 
on the same machine. Personally, at this point, I am OK with running a separate 
machine although I will say that I’m spending almost all of my time on the Mac 
side. If I had installed windows, I don’t think that would’ve been the case. So 
maybe it’s for the best. I think Apple would think so.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

> 

> I have an M1 Mac not an Intel Mac.

> I haven't heard anything about Bootcamp working on the M1, and why mess up a 
> good machine since I already have a windows computer.

> If someone needed windows and still wanted a mac why not just buy a Mac Mini 
> and a Windows Tablet.

> 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom> 
>  mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen

> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 9:29 AM

> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

> 

> I don’t think it’s possible to run Mac on Windows. . What is making you 
> change your mind about running Window’s on Bootcamp? I like the fact that I 
> get a clean install and a machin that has much better hardware. My only 
> limitation is that if I ever get a newer Mac, I will either have to switch to 
> the  365 or use a separate machine.

> 

>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 00:27, Rebecca Skipper > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>> 

>> Well,

>> I was intrigued by the idea of running windows on a Mac, but I am starting 
>> to agree with others who say that if you want Windows get a Windows machine.

>> I haven't heard of anyone running Mac on Windows using a screen reader, and 
>> I do not take this feature for granted.

>> If you really want to run windows on a Mac look into Windows 365.

>> It is currently available only for business users.

>> 

>> 

>> -Original Message-

>> From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 

>> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:19 AM

>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

>> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

>> 

>> It’s absolutely right that Apple Silicon is the future and if you’re buying 
>> now, and want to have maximum future and feature support, that’s the way to 
>> go. I would not dismiss Intel Macs out of hand—they can do one thing Apple 
>> Silicon can’t, namely, run Microsoft Windows. They are available now and 
>> will be supported, and if you don’t plan for the future, they’re still a 
>> viable choice. FWIW, the only features I could use, but do without, and that 
>> are only available on Apple Silicon, are Touch ID 

RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

I have an M1 Mac not an Intel Mac.
I haven't heard anything about Bootcamp working on the M1, and why mess up a 
good machine since I already have a windows computer.
If someone needed windows and still wanted a mac why not just buy a Mac Mini 
and a Windows Tablet.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Herbie Allen
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 9:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

I don’t think it’s possible to run Mac on Windows. . What is making you change 
your mind about running Window’s on Bootcamp? I like the fact that I get a 
clean install and a machin that has much better hardware. My only limitation is 
that if I ever get a newer Mac, I will either have to switch to the  365 or use 
a separate machine.

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 00:27, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well,
> I was intrigued by the idea of running windows on a Mac, but I am starting to 
> agree with others who say that if you want Windows get a Windows machine.
> I haven't heard of anyone running Mac on Windows using a screen reader, and I 
> do not take this feature for granted.
> If you really want to run windows on a Mac look into Windows 365.
> It is currently available only for business users.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
> 
> It’s absolutely right that Apple Silicon is the future and if you’re buying 
> now, and want to have maximum future and feature support, that’s the way to 
> go. I would not dismiss Intel Macs out of hand—they can do one thing Apple 
> Silicon can’t, namely, run Microsoft Windows. They are available now and will 
> be supported, and if you don’t plan for the future, they’re still a viable 
> choice. FWIW, the only features I could use, but do without, and that are 
> only available on Apple Silicon, are Touch ID unlock via a remote keyboard 
> and the Siri voices with intelligence-enhanced emphasis. However, that is 
> today’s macOS; assuming I am not tempted to simply switch platform to 
> continue using my Intel Mac, it might be a dead end for future features I 
> desire later in upcoming macOS versions.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,
Please remember that iPads could be an option, and don't forget about the more 
affordable Mac Mini.
I am using windows to type this message, and I do not see myself using a Mac 
for all my computing needs for a while because there are apps that do not work 
on the Mac.
However, if Windows was gone tomorrow I could accomplish all my tasks using a 
combination of mac and IOS or IPad OS once I learned the differences.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of maurice mines
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Muhammad Fayed 
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

Hi, unfortunately here are my concerns about this entire Apple silicon versus 
the Intel mock debate, and my concerns about it when it is in respect to this 
issue.

The issue that I see is simply this. If you have to the way Apple sees it 
financially is trade-in your Intel Mac spend $600 which I think is abruptly the 
price difference between the two machines then spend another $300 on Apple care 
protection. That if you live in a state or a region that has a sales tax based 
on the total price of the item this could get to be very expensive. In fact for 
many of us were blind at least in the United States it is prohibitively 
expensive. In other words I think for now they must support both the Intel and 
the silicon in 2023 I think that would be a different story but right now in 
late 2021 they have to support both otherwise some people may just say Dell's 
elegant switch to Windows in fact that's what I'm using to dictate this message 
to simply because there is nothing comparable in terms of dictation on the 
Apple side. In fact people hate me because I can't spell because I have a 
written expression disorder so I have to use Dragon in Windows to at least have 
a shot of being understood. I hope this helps, and is not to unduly long.

On 10/24/2021 9:04 PM, Muhammad Fayed wrote:
> BY THE WAY, how do you use your Macs? I think the performance difference for 
> you is not much because it is not a high workload that shows the difference.
>
> One of the things I noticed between two Macs one of 2016 and another from 
> 2020 is in dealing with larger numbers sheets. I find it more responsive and 
> VoiceOver stays busy for shorter periods of time.
>
> A thing I remembered and think it is useful to keep in  mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mohamed E. Fayed
>
>> On 25 Oct 2021, at 12:27 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference, personally, certainly no 
>> more than would normally be expected for machines of similar benchmarks on 
>> either platform. So, for instance, my 2019 iMac is more powerful than my 
>> 2020 M1 Mac Mini, and it feels just the same. JMO.
>>
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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,
I was intrigued by the idea of running windows on a Mac, but I am starting to 
agree with others who say that if you want Windows get a Windows machine.
I haven't heard of anyone running Mac on Windows using a screen reader, and I 
do not take this feature for granted.
If you really want to run windows on a Mac look into Windows 365.
It is currently available only for business users.


-Original Message-
From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

It’s absolutely right that Apple Silicon is the future and if you’re buying 
now, and want to have maximum future and feature support, that’s the way to go. 
I would not dismiss Intel Macs out of hand—they can do one thing Apple Silicon 
can’t, namely, run Microsoft Windows. They are available now and will be 
supported, and if you don’t plan for the future, they’re still a viable choice. 
FWIW, the only features I could use, but do without, and that are only 
available on Apple Silicon, are Touch ID unlock via a remote keyboard and the 
Siri voices with intelligence-enhanced emphasis. However, that is today’s 
macOS; assuming I am not tempted to simply switch platform to continue using my 
Intel Mac, it might be a dead end for future features I desire later in 
upcoming macOS versions.

Cheers,
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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think Intel Macs will not be supported at some point, but the question 
remains how long Apple will continue supporting Intel based Macs once they 
finish their transition to the M1 chips.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2021 6:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

For anyone who is planning a purchasing decision, it’s worth noting that there 
are software features that won’t be available on Intel-based Mac systems, such 
as new text to speech support for certain languages, and on-device speech 
recognition for dictation. I would expect this list of features exclusive to 
the M1 and its successors to grow in subsequent operating system releases.

 

None of these features is specific to VoiceOver yet, but this may change over 
time. I know the question was about performance, but anyone who is seriously 
deciding what hardware to buy should consider features as well, including the 
likelihood that software development will shift increasingly toward Apple’s new 
hardware architecture.

 

On 10/24/21, 18:28, "'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries" 
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I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference, personally, certainly no more 
than would normally be expected for machines of similar benchmarks on either 
platform. So, for instance, my 2019 iMac is more powerful than my 2020 M1 Mac 
Mini, and it feels just the same. JMO.

 

I can’t wait to see Linux running on the M1 Mini. At last, a super-powered 
small-form-factor Linux server!

 

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RE: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,

Some people still want to install windows on a Mac machine, but I agree with 
David Woodbridge.

It is best to use operating systems in their native environments.

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

 

I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel 
based ones. Much faster & more responsive.





On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the 14-inch 
MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled.

 

I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro.

 

What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the 
performance of VoiceOver is superior with the new hardware architecture, with 
fewer “busy” messages, for instance.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23
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Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

Hi,

 

I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with M1 
and on iMac.  It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 processor 
models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs.  I can tell you though that 
using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP is a big improvement in 
performance.  Most “Busy” things that happen to me are because I tend to be 
impatient with key strokes on on the web.  I’ll press on a link, then start 
attempting to move around the screen with VO.  That’s when it goes busy.  If I 
just wait for the link to load, then navigate, then life is better.

 

Later…

 


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On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

My question is general I think it would be best to reply based on whatever 
experiences users have.

For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a MacBook 
Pro.

If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider Apple 
silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15” and maybe 2012 model, whatever the sizes 
then.

I think that would make more sense.

Personally, I have MBP 2016 15” with 2133MHz RAM. I work in the office  on iMac 
2020 27” with core I5 the base model, 3.1GHz 6 core i5 with 2666MHz RAM. The 
Latter feel snappier in usage, but not with large margin although I have 
migrated my data from MBP to iMac and both have the same 512GB storage. The 
storage in iMac may be much faster. I don’t know exact details.

In regards to specifications, Apple silicon in every way regarding 
specifications. I just want to know whether it makes a difference in Voiceover 
user or not and which makes the most difference.

I’m not thinking of getting a new Mac for now because of budget, but I have 
interest to answer these questions.

I may just go to Apple reseller in my city and try devices out. I think that 
may be the answer to my inquiries in case no-one here has experience with Apple 
Silicon and is an old Mac user.

Thank you so much,

Mohamed E. Fayed 





On 21 Oct 2021, at 3:50 PM, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think a lot of your questions depend on the age of the Mac. For instance, I’m 
running two Macs, one from 2012 and another from 2019. The 2012 runs slowly 
while my souped up 2019 Mac runs like a charm with none of the issues you are 
concerned about. I would love to test these  newer Mac’s  myself since this one 
is  extremely fast and  efficient already.





On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:18, Muhammad Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,,

Hope my mail finds you well,

Out of curiosity, I wonder how it matters to use Apple Silicon compared to 
Intel devices. 

• Is it faster to deal with Apple Silicon Mac and more responsive compared to 
older Macs?

• Does Voiceover says “busy” much less ?

• Does image description feature runs faster?

• Are there any other differences than those I expected?

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: Apple TV Subscription?

[Rebecca Skipper]

You have to enable it in accessibility. I believe the setting is towards the 
end of the accessibility section.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Is audio description on by default, or I have to turn it on somewhere?

Thanks!

 

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description.

 

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On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

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Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription?

 

No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Apple TV Subscription?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

Appreciate your explanation.

 

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

Yes, that is correct.  When they are subscribed to within the Apple TV 
Channels, then you don’t even need a separate app to access them.  For example, 
if I subscribe to BritBox in Apple TV Channels, then when I search for Midsomer 
Murders in the Apple TV app, it will show me all the places I can watch it, 
rent it etc, but for the BritBox version, I can press on it and it will just 
play within the Apple TV app.

 

Later…

 


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Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

So, this is why I can get audio subscription even through a third party?

You can link these third party accounts to your Apple ID just like you can link 
CBS All Access with Amazon Prime?

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus.  So, those shows that are a part of 
Apple TV Plus all have audio description.  The Apple TV Plus does not 
specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus 
subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience.  That 
is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host of 
other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific Apple 
TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services.  Even various 
rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus 
subscription.

 

Sorry, just trying to make things clear.

 

Later…

 


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On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were 
not produced by Apple.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description.

 

Later…

 


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On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription?

 

No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV?

Thanks!

 

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So, this is why I can get audio subscription even through a third party?

You can link these third party accounts to your Apple ID just like you can link 
CBS All Access with Amazon Prime?

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus.  So, those shows that are a part of 
Apple TV Plus all have audio description.  The Apple TV Plus does not 
specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus 
subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience.  That 
is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host of 
other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific Apple 
TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services.  Even various 
rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus 
subscription.

 

Sorry, just trying to make things clear.

 

Later…

 


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were 
not produced by Apple.

 

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription?

 

Hi,

 

All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description.

 

Later…

 


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Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription?

 

No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM
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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Apple TV Subscription?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were 
not produced by Apple.

 

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Hi,

 

All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description.

 

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On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

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No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
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RE: Apple TV Subscription?

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I am not sure why this happens, but I’ve noticed that third party apps like CBS 
All Access shows that have audio description will work in IOS and iPad OS when 
I use Amazon Prime to access CBS All Access.

I am not sure if this is because audio description is set up on both Amazon 
video and IOS or if IOS is just using the settings I turned on in accessibility.

 

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If you have it turned on in accessibility settings, then all described shows 
will be described.

 

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Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

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No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
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Thanks!

 

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RE: Apple TV Subscription?

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You have to turn on audio description under accessibility in settings.

 

 

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Would it give me audio description?

Thanks!

 

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No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
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Thanks!

 

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No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac.

 

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Hi, Group.

One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I 
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Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Here are the notes I received from ATGuys about this keyboard.

Matias  Bluetooth Keyboard Notes from ATGuys

 

 

Option is second from the left, and also the Windows key. Since this is a 
full-size keyboard there is no function key.

 

Pairing to an\ iPhone 

1) On your iOS device, select...

Settings app > Bluetooth > On

2) Hold down the Option key and one of the 4 Pairing

keys until it starts flashing Blue. (usually 3-5 seconds)

3) When Matias Wireless Keyboard appears in the list, on your iPhone

double-tap on Not Paired.

4) The keyboard is now connected and ready to be used.

Pairing to Windows

1) Hold down the Control key and one of the 4 Pairing

keys until it starts flashing Blue.

2) Follow the keyboard pairing process for the version of

Windows or Android on your device.

Normally this involves searching for bluetooth in the search box in the start 
menu, and then tabbing to (add a device).

 

To switch between paired devices, press the Control Key followed by the 
assigned pairing key (1, 2, 3, or 4)

Wait a few seconds.

 

The function key is in the 9-pack between the numeric pad and the letters.

It's in the second he letters. It's in the second row of three, on the left end.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Where are option-ctrl- keys located on Matias  Bluetooth Keyboard?

Thanks!

 

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Thanks.

I’m definitely staying with the Matias  Bluetooth Keyboard then.

 

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Apple Magic can not be connected to multiple devices.

Thanks!

 

 

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Does the Apple Magic keyboard work with the iPad Mini Five and the iPhone SE, 
and can it be paired to multiple devices at once?

 

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Hi,

 

If you have an Apple Magic Keyboard, the one that is rechargeable, you can use 
the Bluetooth menu to determine the charge of the keyboard, or the Magic 
Mouse/Trackpad for that matter.  I don’t believe that third party devices have 
that functionality though.

 

Later…

 


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

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Well,

The thanks for pointing out one strength of Appel’s ecosystem.

The ability to check Apple’s status in Bluetooth is one of the things I like 
about the budget friendly beats wired earphones.

(the one with the wire connecting two earbuds).

I didn’t know this functionality extended to keyboards.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 6:05 PM
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Hi,

 

Nope.  Depends on the version of MacOS you’re using.  For Catalina and older, 
go to the Menu Extras, to Bluetooth, then VO-arrow through the choices.  There 
should be a heading named devices.  For the Magic Keyboard and other Apple 
connected devices, there should be sub-menus where there are special options 
including the battery level.

 

In Big Sur and newer, go to the Menu Extras, Control Centre, then this is where 
it gets a little tricky.  If you simply VO-space on the Bluetooth item, it will 
toggle it on/off, but if you VO-shift-space on the Bluetooth item, it will 
pop-up a new screen with devices and related battery levels if available.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


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Okay, did you have to use an app to get battery information?

 

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Actually, there is definitely one but I am unable recalling that. I am saying 
this because I have used it myself. I hope someone would remind both of us.

Thanks!

 

 

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Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Subject: Keyboard Battery?

 

Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.

I’m definitely staying with the Matias  Bluetooth Keyboard then.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Apple Magic can not be connected to multiple devices.

Thanks!

 

 

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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Does the Apple Magic keyboard work with the iPad Mini Five and the iPhone SE, 
and can it be paired to multiple devices at once?

 

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Subject: Re: Keyboard Battery?

 

Hi,

 

If you have an Apple Magic Keyboard, the one that is rechargeable, you can use 
the Bluetooth menu to determine the charge of the keyboard, or the Magic 
Mouse/Trackpad for that matter.  I don’t believe that third party devices have 
that functionality though.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, the only way I could see this working is through an app or the Magic 
keyboard.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Just one of the menus shows battery level.

 

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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Okay, did you have to use an app to get battery information?

 

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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Actually, there is definitely one but I am unable recalling that. I am saying 
this because I have used it myself. I hope someone would remind both of us.

Thanks!

 

 

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Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Subject: Keyboard Battery?

 

Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Does the Apple Magic keyboard work with the iPad Mini Five and the iPhone SE, 
and can it be paired to multiple devices at once?

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Battery?

 

Hi,

 

If you have an Apple Magic Keyboard, the one that is rechargeable, you can use 
the Bluetooth menu to determine the charge of the keyboard, or the Magic 
Mouse/Trackpad for that matter.  I don’t believe that third party devices have 
that functionality though.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
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On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, did you have to use an app to get battery information?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Actually, there is definitely one but I am unable recalling that. I am saying 
this because I have used it myself. I hope someone would remind both of us.

Thanks!

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Keyboard Battery?

 

Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Subject: Keyboard Battery?

 

Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery level of my blue-tooth keyboard, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Keyboard Battery?

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Most keyboard batteries have lights or colored indicators.

I have not found an accessible way to check battery status on a Bluetooth 
keyboard if you have no usable vision.

 

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Hi, Group.

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RE: Windows 365

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, yes, there is office 365 personal, but Windows 365 is what I’m referring 
to.

It is only for business customers.

Please see https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/business? 
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/business?_id=Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SfezFchGD9a7Bp1_4klsfBV8-r1eaAVb0tOjHfR8Gv-HldMWqLAqa8aAiKJEALw_wcB:G:s=AID2200899_SEM_Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SfezFchGD9a7Bp1_4klsfBV8-r1eaAVb0tOjHfR8Gv-HldMWqLAqa8aAiKJEALw_wcB:G:s=Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SfezFchGD9a7Bp1_4klsfBV8-r1eaAVb0tOjHfR8Gv-HldMWqLAqa8aAiKJEALw_wcB>
 
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It is not designed for the average consumer but is currently the only way to 
virtualize Windows on a Mac with the M1 chip.

I think it would be easier to get a windows computer at this point.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pete Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 4:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows 365

 

There is 365 personal

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates

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On Oct 11, 2021, at 5:05 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



It is my understanding that you can runs Windows 365 on a mac because Windows 
works in the browser, but it is for businesses only.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/business/compare-plans-pricing

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Windows 365 Review and Use Cases

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay,

I've seen a lot of questions about running virtual Windows.

Here is a good YouTube video from members of the iAccessibility team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqrnTeR_Xkc

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It is my understanding that you can runs Windows 365 on a mac because
Windows works in the browser, but it is for businesses only.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/business/compare-plans-pricing

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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well,

It isn’t just about what I can do.

Siri doesn’t consistently let me send a message so I have to go to my Homepod 
Mini.

I do not use Siri to send an email, but if someone else depends on that feature 
then I will criticize Apple for breaking Siri rather than improving it.

I prefer stability first.

If we could lose the ability to send an email what prevents us from losing the 
ability to make a call or send a text using Siri.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 3:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

Well, that’s your choice.  For what it’s worth, I’ve had no problems using Siri 
to send texts or make calls.  The only thing I have not been able to do is send 
an email, but I don’t usually use Siri for that, so I haven’t tried that hard 
to figure it out.

 

My only point was that by its very nature, technology changes.  Any time 
there’s a major upgrade to the OS, be it iOs, Mac, Windows, Android,  most 
users  will love some of the changes and hate others.

Cheers,

Donna







On Oct 3, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, I do not see why we can’t keep siri features.

Customizations are not 





h it to me if we can’t have a reliable experience with apps and services.

I’m waiting until 15.1.

I don’t want to risk wallet crashing or have problems using the keyboard with 
my 5thGeneration iPad Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

But, the new customization features open lots of very useful possibilities.  As 
you’ll recall from my other posts this week, some of them came as an unpleasant 
surprise to me, but I think in the long run, the added functionality is worth 
it.  Should Apple avoid adding new functionality to the phone just so they can 
keep it dumbed down?  My answer to that is no, even if it means that the iPhone 
isn’t for everyone.  After all, most devices aren’t for everyone.

Cheers,

Donna






On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I hope you are right, but if so, then the iPhone would be less accessible to 
people new to smart phones.

My respect for Apple’s commitment to accessibility has been tarnished by these 
changes because accessibility goes beyond blindness.

I want the iPhone to do well, but it should be as easy to use as possible, and 
removing features is right the opposite.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:45 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

I think some of this is that with IOS 15 the shortcuts functionality is being 
used instead of hard coding items into SIRI. The problem with this if I am 
correct, i is that it requires more customization by each user, but could mean 
it is easier to use an alternative client with Siri. 

Kinda like how when you ask SIRI to play "All Star" it asks which app should I 
use.

Perhaps VoiceMail / last call will work that way too.

 

Just conjecture.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn











On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe privacy 
compromises were made there to.
I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
removed.
This just occurred to me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna






On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?

-Original Message-
F

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, I do not see why we can’t keep siri features.

Customizations are not worth it to me if we can’t have a reliable experience 
with apps and services.

I’m waiting until 15.1.

I don’t want to risk wallet crashing or have problems using the keyboard with 
my 5th Generation iPad Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

But, the new customization features open lots of very useful possibilities.  As 
you’ll recall from my other posts this week, some of them came as an unpleasant 
surprise to me, but I think in the long run, the added functionality is worth 
it.  Should Apple avoid adding new functionality to the phone just so they can 
keep it dumbed down?  My answer to that is no, even if it means that the iPhone 
isn’t for everyone.  After all, most devices aren’t for everyone.

Cheers,

Donna





On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I hope you are right, but if so, then the iPhone would be less accessible to 
people new to smart phones.

My respect for Apple’s commitment to accessibility has been tarnished by these 
changes because accessibility goes beyond blindness.

I want the iPhone to do well, but it should be as easy to use as possible, and 
removing features is right the opposite.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:45 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

I think some of this is that with IOS 15 the shortcuts functionality is being 
used instead of hard coding items into SIRI. The problem with this if I am 
correct, i is that it requires more customization by each user, but could mean 
it is easier to use an alternative client with Siri. 

Kinda like how when you ask SIRI to play "All Star" it asks which app should I 
use.

Perhaps VoiceMail / last call will work that way too.

 

Just conjecture.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn









On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe privacy 
compromises were made there to.
I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
removed.
This just occurred to me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna





On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com <mailto:doug.law...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple of 
tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple watch 
to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to cross. So 
I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a demographic 
that need them. 

I really enjoy this discussion. 

Best, 
Doug 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
screen when I can.
The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
ones being impacted by this.
Apple is not sending a good message here.
Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
There is too much emphasis on cameras and 

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I understand.
There are settings in accessibility for some of the issues you raised, but siri 
was so convenient.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Michelle Hurdt
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

Amen to that. I mean, there may, or may not be people who rely solely on Siri 
and a lot of these features, due to having dexterity issues, one handedness, 
etc.
#JustSayin', and my 2 cents.

On 10/3/21, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> I hope you are right, but if so, then the iPhone would be less 
> accessible to people new to smart phones.
>
> My respect for Apple’s commitment to accessibility has been tarnished 
> by these changes because accessibility goes beyond blindness.
>
> I want the iPhone to do well, but it should be as easy to use as 
> possible, and removing features is right the opposite.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:45 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>
>
>
> I think some of this is that with IOS 15 the shortcuts functionality 
> is being used instead of hard coding items into SIRI. The problem with 
> this if I am correct, i is that it requires more customization by each 
> user, but could mean it is easier to use an alternative client with Siri.
>
> Kinda like how when you ask SIRI to play "All Star" it asks which app 
> should I use.
>
> Perhaps VoiceMail / last call will work that way too.
>
>
>
> Just conjecture.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain 
> features were removed.
> This just occurred to me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose 
> not to use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case 
> for his clients, your solution would not work.
> Donna
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to 
> use the double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the 
> Google Assistant to carry out certain commands and teach this to 
> clients as a backup to Siri?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> doug.law...@gmail.com <mailto:doug.law...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>
> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most 
> simple of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it 
> on the Apple watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street 
> I was supposed to cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the 
> imagination.
> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
> demographic that need them.
>
> I really enjoy this discussion.
>
> Best,
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over 
> touch screen when I can.
> The population of people you work with who depend on these features 
> are the ones being impacted by this.
> Apple is not sending a good message here.
> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in 
> software as far as I'm 

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I hope you are right, but if so, then the iPhone would be less accessible to 
people new to smart phones.

My respect for Apple’s commitment to accessibility has been tarnished by these 
changes because accessibility goes beyond blindness.

I want the iPhone to do well, but it should be as easy to use as possible, and 
removing features is right the opposite.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:45 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

 

I think some of this is that with IOS 15 the shortcuts functionality is being 
used instead of hard coding items into SIRI. The problem with this if I am 
correct, i is that it requires more customization by each user, but could mean 
it is easier to use an alternative client with Siri. 

Kinda like how when you ask SIRI to play "All Star" it asks which app should I 
use.

Perhaps VoiceMail / last call will work that way too.

 

Just conjecture.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe privacy 
compromises were made there to.
I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
removed.
This just occurred to me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna




On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com <mailto:doug.law...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple of 
tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple watch 
to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to cross. So 
I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a demographic 
that need them. 

I really enjoy this discussion. 

Best, 
Doug 

Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
screen when I can.
The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
ones being impacted by this.
Apple is not sending a good message here.
Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com <mailto:doug.law...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices can 
be quite a difficult task for many users. 
A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
this demographic 

. 


Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper mail

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I do not fully trust the cloud but use it because of convenience.
Once the wallet issue in IOS15 is resolved, I am definitely taking advantage of 
the on device support.
I remember when Apple justifiably got some criticism for listening to user 
recordings from Siri through private contractors.
At least give people the choice of using an assistant offline.
Apple should be commended for that feature.


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

True, but personally, I’d much rather my data be in Apple’s cloud than in 
Amazon’s or Google’s. ;) Cheers, Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail 
>>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people 
>>> are just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as 
>>> learning the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major 
>>> learning curve for a lot of this demographic
>>> 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>>>> I have mixed views on th

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Okay, see if someone in Canada would consider selling the Blind Shell phone.
Here is a website with all current distributors, and I think the CNIB is listed.
The advantage, as I understand it, is that the Blind Shell has customized apps 
that are proprietary but still offer the functionality you would see in a smart 
phone i.e. Voice Assistant.
https://www.blindshell.com/where-to-buy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

All of these assistants will always have to go to the cloud to get something. 
The main problem I see is that some of the older demographic, who prefer a 
device that has buttons for doing things, have a great deal of trouble 
adjusting to a touch screen environment. These people would be satisfied with 
something resembling either a candy bar or flip phone. If they could use a 
telephone keypad and get voice feedback they would be happy. I don't think any 
of the major carriors in canada cary such a phone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe 
> privacy compromises were made there to.
> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
> removed.
> This just occurred to me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
> use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
> your solution would not work.
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
>> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant 
>> to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
>> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
>> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
>> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
>> demographic that need them. 
>> 
>> I really enjoy this discussion. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> Doug 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>>> screen when I can.
>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>>> ones being impacted by this.
>>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are 
>>> just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe privacy 
compromises were made there to.
I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features were 
removed.
This just occurred to me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not to 
use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons.  If that’s the case for his clients, 
your solution would not work.
Donna

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
> double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
> carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple 
> of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple 
> watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to 
> cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a 
> demographic that need them. 
> 
> I really enjoy this discussion. 
> 
> Best, 
> Doug 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
>> screen when I can.
>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
>> ones being impacted by this.
>> Apple is not sending a good message here.
>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software 
>> as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just 
>> want to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these 
>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
>> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
>> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
>> this demographic 
>> 
>> . 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>>> I have mixed views on this .
>>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>>> features that people depend on.
>>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>>> just the visually impaired?
>>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>>> voicemails.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of dan d.
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
>>> -- 
>>> ent-
>>> XR
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following informati

RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use the 
double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google Assistant to 
carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a backup to Siri?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most simple of 
tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on the Apple watch 
to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was supposed to cross. So 
I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the imagination. 
Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a demographic 
that need them. 

I really enjoy this discussion. 

Best, 
Doug 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch 
> screen when I can.
> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
> ones being impacted by this.
> Apple is not sending a good message here.
> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
> far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
> to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices 
> can be quite a difficult task for many users. 
> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
> simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
> concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
> this demographic 
> 
> . 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing this article.
>> I have mixed views on this .
>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri 
>> features that people depend on.
>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
>> just the visually impaired?
>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
>> voicemails.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of dan d.
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
>> by Low Vision and Blind Users
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
>> -- 
>> ent-
>> XR
>> 
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RE: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

[Rebecca Skipper]

I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch screen 
when I can.
The population of people you work with who depend on these features are the 
ones being impacted by this.
Apple is not sending a good message here.
Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though.
There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in software as 
far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after advertising them.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of doug.law...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features 
Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these 
features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs 
interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just want 
to get the basics done. Even  accomlishing the basics on these devices can 
be quite a difficult task for many users. 
A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are just 
simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning the 
concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a lot of 
this demographic 

. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this article.
> I have mixed views on this .
> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user 
> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri features 
> that people depend on.
> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well or 
> just the visually impaired?
> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me.
> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility.
> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still play 
> voicemails.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of dan d.
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used 
> by Low Vision and Blind Users
> 
> 
> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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> XR
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