RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I wondered this also.

I've never had to pay for a firmware update in any of my router / modem devices.

My fritzbox is working great after about 4 years and it has a coverage for the 
entire house  including my neighbours place also.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 8:38 AM
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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
> Which is why we don't do that.
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. 
>> I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
>> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
>> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they 
>> do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot 
>> house which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

If that’s the case then you should disconnect everything and shut off your 
services immediately.  Your a security risk to the rest of the world by not 
acting responsibly.  You yourself should learn this, it’s a good skill, you can 
be helpful to others once you learn and if you get far enough make a great 
living at it.  But if you’re not willing to do your maintenance then please, do 
us and the world a favor and disconnect all internet services.  You’re a risk 
to your self, your financial well being, your families financial well being and 
the rest of the world when your non updated equipment is used as part of a 
distributed denial of service attack.  I can’t stress how important updating 
your firmware and software is.  You’re connected to the rest of the world, 
literally. You need to be a good internet citizen and there’s no cost to do so.

Also remember, if your machines get compromised your carrier be it Comcast, 
charter, verizon or whom ever will disable your services and cancel your 
accounts / service.  It’s in your terms and conditions you signed when you had 
service established.  Please be careful.



> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah probably for a penny or two or three. I wouldn't be the one updating the 
> firmware, it would be my father. And he doesn't have patience to do anything 
> like that anymore. So that's out of the question.
>   Joseph Hudson 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always 
>> always always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the 
>> security side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>>> Netgear.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
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 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware 
> a.m. Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
>> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
>> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
>> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
>> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
>> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
>> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
>> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
>> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what 
>> do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far 
>> as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken 
>> up into 4 units.  
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

So waiting for you  to get one to review . once I know hat they pas your revie 
test I will get them. but for now I am thining what will be the difference 
between the erro an the plu ones. that will be something I will be looking out 
on the wire cutter which does the best reviws on this sort of stuff.  

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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Hi Gary, so I’m going to grab the plume system that our friends Mary from this 
list and the Android list and Warren pointed out.  They look very good.  In 
your case this is probably perfect.  Put them in bridge mode, attach to your 
existing router, configure with the android or iPhone app and place one in each 
unit and around your property.  This way your tenants will connect to their own 
AP.
Ubiquiti is decent stuff and very very reasonably priced.
I have never bought one of the really cheap routers but the Link I had 
was maybe $150 or so and is still kicking after 13 years.  As long as you make 
it through the burn in period these things should last and last and last.

I have some unix boxes on my network here at work that have 10 year or more 
uptime and these have rotating disks.  (And sadly were never patched so I’m 
decommissioning them but the point is gear should last a long time.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Well, I have lots of Netgear routers and they do not charge to upgrade 
firmware.  It’s available for free on the website to download, remember I have 
a netgear R8500 in service now and supported thousands of them in the field for 
COVAD.  You go to a web site, download the code, browse to your router, put the 
file name in, hit update and that’s it.  Anyone charging for this is robbing 
you.  I’m more than happy to help you do this for free as it is so simple.  But 
you have to understand, you’re getting totally bad advice that’s costing you 
and your family real money.  Pay if you want it doesn’t hurt me any but as P. 
T. Barnum said, there’s a sucker born every minute.  You don’t need to be a 
sucker, there’s to many people here who will gladly help for free and have 
nothing to gain regardless if you spend money or not.



> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well this was not your themselves so you can explain that to Netgear the next 
> time you g and that's my two pennies worth. And so I'm done discussing 
> this.et one. Oldest continue to do what we've always done. S it's been the 
> best thing.
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. 
>> For the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones 
>> do.  Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are 
>> being ripped off.  This is a totally simple and free process.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>>> Netgear.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
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 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware 
> a.m. Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
>> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
>> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
>> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
>> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
>> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
>> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
>> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
>> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what 
>> do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far 
>> as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken 
>> up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Yeah probably for a penny or two or three. I wouldn't be the one updating the 
firmware, it would be my father. And he doesn't have patience to do anything 
like that anymore. So that's out of the question.
Joseph Hudson 

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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always always 
> always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the security 
> side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>> Netgear.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
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>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
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>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
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>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
 Which is why we don't do that.
Joseph Hudson 
 
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do 
> you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
> getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up 
> into 4 units.  
> 
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Ok, thanks for hat one.  

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Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:38 PM
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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The reviews say the plume is the best unit and it’s $320 for 6.  They are made 
in your home state as well in San Jose I believe.

Google plume WiFi and see what you find.  I’ve seen comparisons of the Netgear, 
Google and Plume systems and the plume wins on speed, reliability and 
performance.  Cost is also very reasonable for 6 units instead of 3 and they 
support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:29 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
> and would they do a better job then a regular router .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Well this was not your themselves so you can explain that to Netgear the next 
time you g and that's my two pennies worth. And so I'm done discussing this.et 
one. Oldest continue to do what we've always done. S it's been the best thing.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. For 
> the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones do.  
> Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are being 
> ripped off.  This is a totally simple and free process.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>> Netgear.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
 Which is why we don't do that.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do 
> you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
> getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up 
> into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always always 
always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the security 
side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Netgear.
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
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 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
 
 Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
 the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they 
 wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you 
 get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter 
 how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office 
 in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  
 what so ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open 
 source router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro 
 mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers 
 now a days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 
 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 units.  
 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. For 
the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones do.  
Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are being ripped 
off.  This is a totally simple and free process.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Netgear.
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
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 Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
 the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they 
 wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you 
 get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter 
 how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office 
 in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  
 what so ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open 
 source router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro 
 mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers 
 now a days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

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Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
Netgear.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so 
>>> ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source 
>>> router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh 
>>> routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a 
>>> days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  
>>> square foot house which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

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What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
> Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. 
>> I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
>> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
>> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they 
>> do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot 
>> house which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

The reviews say the plume is the best unit and it’s $320 for 6.  They are made 
in your home state as well in San Jose I believe.

Google plume WiFi and see what you find.  I’ve seen comparisons of the Netgear, 
Google and Plume systems and the plume wins on speed, reliability and 
performance.  Cost is also very reasonable for 6 units instead of 3 and they 
support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:29 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
> and would they do a better job then a regular router .  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
 Joseph Hudson
 
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 I device support
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 2543007667
 Skype
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 FaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@yahoo.com
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor 
> guys! My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with 
> wiFi at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also 
> my MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi Gary, so I’m going to grab the plume system that our friends Mary from this 
list and the Android list and Warren pointed out.  They look very good.  In 
your case this is probably perfect.  Put them in bridge mode, attach to your 
existing router, configure with the android or iPhone app and place one in each 
unit and around your property.  This way your tenants will connect to their own 
AP.
Ubiquiti is decent stuff and very very reasonably priced.
I have never bought one of the really cheap routers but the Link I had 
was maybe $150 or so and is still kicking after 13 years.  As long as you make 
it through the burn in period these things should last and last and last.

I have some unix boxes on my network here at work that have 10 year or more 
uptime and these have rotating disks.  (And sadly were never patched so I’m 
decommissioning them but the point is gear should last a long time.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
Which is why we don't do that.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
and would they do a better job then a regular router .  

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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The two have nothing to do with each other.

The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues if 
we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What might be 
most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use now.  Sure it 
may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks that’s not a bad 
thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a new one and be in the 
same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with some exceptions but the 
cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  attached. And $34 isn’t 
exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost of the low end router you 
found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect world do both.  Then she’ll 
have a better router and the propagation issues will probably be solved at the 
same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use 
the same connectors you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
> to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
> about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
> least that's what he founded for.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
>> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
>> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to 
>>> be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. 
>>> Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be 
>>> helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
 with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
 new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! 
 My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi 
 at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my 
 MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 
 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information 
 true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to 
 purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar 
 since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot 
 for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for 
 it. I look forward in hearing from you 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting the 
fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear out 
over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a good 
quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it works. 
I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an they have  
been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update 
the firmware in them which is  running open source router firmware inside of 
it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. 
what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 
units.  

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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

So my DLink router from 2005 supported up to 40 devices at a time.  These were 
all draft N but still.  The airport falls over at about the 40 mark, not really 
falls over but wouldn’t support my gigabit link as it only forwards at about 
200 megabits.  But again you don’t need the newest and greatest to do what 
you’re doing especially since you’re working with so few devices.  I only this 
year updated my main router to go full gig and I’ve got probably 70 WiFi 
connected devices at any one time including cameras, phones, desk phones, 
televisions, xboxes, set top boxes and so on and so forth.  I’m able to connect 
reliably from my home with the new antenna setup about a half mile away instead 
of the usual 150 to 300 feet.  I’m going with a distributed WiFi system, which 
is definitely another way the original poster could go and just put an access 
point in each room you want the best coverage.  These include a routing 
function although in my case I’ll run them in bridged mode and let the Netgear 
do the heavy lifting and forwarding.

Do not trust what Best Buy tells you, they only want to sell product.  I’ve 
seen so much bad advice given out of that chain it’s not funny.  Save your 
pennies, buy from amazon and talk to the list members here who have no dog in 
the hunt so you won’t get swindled out of hard earned funds.  And never, ever, 
buy the extended service plans, they are a ripoff of the highest order.





> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Scott, actually no he was very tech savvy. See at best buy, you're 
> going to pick up the kind of router bitch meet your needs, which we needed 
> one comment that would take up to six devices or more. Because my parents 
> have a tablet each of iPhone each, and then they both have computers. Then we 
> also have a camera system as well. So all of that stuff is pretty much 
> running daily. I named my grandma and I, we have two devices each on our 
> router. And I'm running the turbo speed. And a matter fact my parents are 
> running the turbo speed as well. So there you go. The only one that is not an 
> Acer dryer right now, is the one that is at my house. Which might be changing 
> whether I can figure out if I can switch out my router and still be a 
> will to use my phone through Time Warner cable. So then I won't have that 
> weak connection.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 
>> years is smoking crack.
>> 
>> I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards 
>> just don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over 
>> time.  I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link 
>> router served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted 
>> them even longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s 
>> providing her new place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional 
>> at my fathers going on 12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you 
>> increase your connection speed and your existing model won’t cut the mustard 
>> or obviously if it breaks.  Other than that it’s not really that beneficial. 
>>  Sounds like a router salesmen gave you that advice.
>>  Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
>> connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and 
>> requires no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear 
>> will do just fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover 
>> when you add in building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed 
>> system for my place so I’ll have an AP in each room.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
>>> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
>>> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of 
>>> a router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which 
>>> she's had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully 
>>> later and let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello Scott, actually no he was very tech savvy. See at best buy, you're going 
to pick up the kind of router bitch meet your needs, which we needed one 
comment that would take up to six devices or more. Because my parents have a 
tablet each of iPhone each, and then they both have computers. Then we also 
have a camera system as well. So all of that stuff is pretty much running 
daily. I named my grandma and I, we have two devices each on our router. And 
I'm running the turbo speed. And a matter fact my parents are running the turbo 
speed as well. So there you go. The only one that is not an Acer dryer right 
now, is the one that is at my house. Which might be changing   whether I 
can figure out if I can switch out my router and still be a will to use my 
phone through Time Warner cable. So then I won't have that weak connection.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 
> years is smoking crack.
> 
> I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards 
> just don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over 
> time.  I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link 
> router served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted 
> them even longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s 
> providing her new place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional at 
> my fathers going on 12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you increase 
> your connection speed and your existing model won’t cut the mustard or 
> obviously if it breaks.  Other than that it’s not really that beneficial.  
> Sounds like a router salesmen gave you that advice.
>   Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
> connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and requires 
> no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear will do 
> just fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover when you 
> add in building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed system for 
> my place so I’ll have an AP in each room.
> 
> 
> 
> We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
>> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
>> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of 
>> a router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which 
>> she's had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully 
>> later and let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The two have nothing to do with each other.
>>> 
>>> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
>>> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
>>> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
>>> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
>>> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
>>> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
>>> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage 
>>> with some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas 
>>> are  attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the 
>>> cost of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a 
>>> perfect world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the 
>>> propagation issues will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when 
>>> you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use the same connectors 
>>> you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, 
 that are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would 
 you rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for 
 itself 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 years 
is smoking crack.

I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards just 
don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over time.  
I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link router 
served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted them even 
longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s providing her new 
place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional at my fathers going on 
12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you increase your connection speed 
and your existing model won’t cut the mustard or obviously if it breaks.  Other 
than that it’s not really that beneficial.  Sounds like a router salesmen gave 
you that advice.
Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and requires 
no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear will do just 
fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover when you add in 
building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed system for my place 
so I’ll have an AP in each room.

 

We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of a 
> router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which she's 
> had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully later and 
> let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
> Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The two have nothing to do with each other.
>> 
>> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
>> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
>> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
>> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
>> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
>> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
>> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage 
>> with some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas 
>> are  attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the 
>> cost of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a 
>> perfect world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation 
>> issues will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the 
>> router the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse 
>> the antennas and not need to buy new.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, 
>>> that are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would 
>>> you rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself 
>>> and 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 
>>> bucks. Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
 router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
 provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
 amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came 
> to the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless 
> router. I would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new 
> routers if necessary. It Is replacing 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really well. 
My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular brand. It 
tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of a router 
according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which she's had that 
thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully later and let her know 
that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
 Joseph Hudson 
 
 Email
 jhud7...@gmail.com
 I device support
 Telephone
 2543007667
 Skype
 joseph.hudson89
 facebook
 https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
 Twitter
 https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
 
 FaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@yahoo.com
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor 
> guys! My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with 
> wiFi at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also 
> my MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

The two have nothing to do with each other.

The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues if 
we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What might be 
most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use now.  Sure it 
may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks that’s not a bad 
thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a new one and be in the 
same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with some exceptions but the 
cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  attached. And $34 isn’t 
exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost of the low end router you 
found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect world do both.  Then she’ll 
have a better router and the propagation issues will probably be solved at the 
same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use 
the same connectors you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
> to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
> about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
> least that's what he founded for.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
>> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
>> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to 
>>> be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. 
>>> Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be 
>>> helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
 with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
 new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! 
 My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi 
 at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my 
 MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 
 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information 
 true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to 
 purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar 
 since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot 
 for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for 
 it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber 
 Group Moderator  
 
 for the IPad help for the Blind 
 ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
 
 Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new 
 friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends 
 Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely 
 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
least that's what he founded for.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is where 
>> your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be 
>> something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry 
>> for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful 
>> information for the people that have already tried to possibly assist her as 
>> I'm still catching up on messages.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
>>> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
>>> new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook 
>>> Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 
>>> 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  
>>> 13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  
>>> MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on 
>>> December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign 
>>> to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for 
>>> school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in 
>>> hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber 
>>> Group Moderator  
>>> 
>>> for the IPad help for the Blind 
>>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>>> 
>>> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
>>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
>>> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
>>> only! 
>>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
>>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>>> 
 If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
 touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
 Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
 
 
 Sandie.
 
 On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
> MBA
> this summer, but the cable situation really does 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 4 
times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and they 
have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is where 
> your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be 
> something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry 
> for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful 
> information for the people that have already tried to possibly assist her as 
> I'm still catching up on messages.
> Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
>> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
>> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
>> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
>> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
>> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  
>> a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use 
>> to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   
>> and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from 
>> you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>>  Helga Schreiber 
>> Group Moderator  
>> 
>>  for the IPad help for the Blind 
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>> 
>> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
>> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
>> only! 
>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandie.
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
 MBA
 this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
 And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
 on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
 you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
 bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>   The touch bar triggers when your 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to the 
conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I would be 
glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if necessary. It Is 
replacing the Internet router would probably be something that your parents 
would have to do seems house as to where you live is where your parents are. 
And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be something that they 
would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry for posting such a 
off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful information for the people 
that have already tried to possibly assist her as I'm still catching up on 
messages.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>  
> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
> only! 
> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
> 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
 adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

It could also be the materials the room is made of, whether the door is opened 
or closed, the channel you’re on, and so forth.  I’m with Sean it sounds more 
like the room if everything works outside it.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Helga. How do you know that it's your MBA that's responsible for the wifi 
> issues you're having? I ask this because sometimes  when I'm somewhere far 
> away from my modem, I get around 1 or 2 wifi bars but when I'm down here in 
> my room, I get full signal. I guess what I'm saying is, it might be because 
> your room might be a little far away from your modem/router. Just a thought.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
>> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
>> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
>> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
>> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
>> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  
>> a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use 
>> to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   
>> and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from 
>> you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>>   Helga Schreiber 
>> Group Moderator  
>>  
>>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>>  
>>  
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>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
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>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > > wrote:
>> 
>>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandie.
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin > 
>>> wrote:
 Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
 MBA
 this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
 And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
 on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
 you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
 bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados  >
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
> keys
> below.  The finger print censor 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi,

So the clock rate or the GHz you listed is meaningless for the most part.  In 
the old days this was an indication of speed.  Today though it’s all about how 
the chips are designed and constructed.  A better measurement is flops or 
floating point operations per second as this tests the real computational 
capability rather than the frequency of the clock oscillator.
There are 2016 models with out the touch bar and with.  It’s not bad if 
you also use another keyboard like the magic wireless keyboard.  I’d suggest 
actually going to a store if you can and trying it out.  Remember Alex on list 
had a very different experience and likes the new design so you will want to 
try yourself to get the best idea.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>  
>  
> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
> only! 
> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
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> px 
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> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin > wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I’m down for some VR. I put a suit on years ago and tried out a system but it 
was pretty primitive.  Used a silicon graphics server as the head end.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> As displayed in the presentation of high sierra 
> The iMac Pro will be for the wing nut staff / creators of virtual reality or 
> augmented reality video.
> 
> Not something we mortals would really get the best use from but hell it would 
> make a great machine for bootcamping windows 10 on.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
> 
> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>>> should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
 the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
 Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
 
 Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run 
>> from mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back 
>> of the machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with 
>> magsafe power connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>> Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I 
>> have plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not 
>> really unplugged it much so I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Helga. How do you know that it's your MBA that's responsible for the wifi 
issues you're having? I ask this because sometimes  when I'm somewhere far away 
from my modem, I get around 1 or 2 wifi bars but when I'm down here in my room, 
I get full signal. I guess what I'm saying is, it might be because your room 
might be a little far away from your modem/router. Just a thought.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>  
>  
> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
> only! 
> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950  
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com  
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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> px 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/  
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin > wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
 adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
 of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Regarding 2.7 vs 2.1 processor speed, you need to be careful just looking at 
numbers.  I have rooms full of 3.06 GHz iMacs at work that I guarantee wouldn't 
stand up at all to even a 1.7 GHz MacBook Air.  the number is only one portion 
of the equation.  There's the number of cores, the grade of processor, bus 
speed etc.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2017, at 06:36, Helga Schreiber  wrote:

Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My MacBook 
Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my room, but 
when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air does not 
have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 
gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a 
processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that 
only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches 
is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook 
Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar 
at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing 
to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much 
and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the Blind 
ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
 
 
Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people 
with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! 
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https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D 


  

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Students.
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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > wrote:

> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
> 
> 
> Sandie.
> 
> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin > wrote:
>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>>> start or stop voice over.
>>>The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on the
>>> Mac proper.
>>>The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>>

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

I know.  It's fun to hear some of those songs again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah it's all part of the marvel commics family,
> What gets me is the great music they use for the theams 
> Go the 80s.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> Isn't it great!  Both the Guardians movies have been fun.  I was glad to see 
> they're clearly planning on a part 3.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  
>> Then again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to 
>>> laugh when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I 
>>> went to study in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much 
>>> of my luggage space to bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that 
>>> that's a thing of the past.  You're right, it was a whole other world 
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
 exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
 for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
 machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do 
 all that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
 dreamed.
 
 There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
 daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to 
 replace that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we 
 don’t need cassettes”. It’s so true.
 
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
> money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole 
> different world.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
>> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
>> 
>> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 
>> K floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering 
>> clock card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
>> accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which 
>> were each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 
>> megabyte hard disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling 
>> keyboards.  Whole shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 
>> 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs and worked after school to save 
>> up and buy the hardware.  The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and 
>> I had a special card just to display 80 columns per screen instead of 
>> 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare 
>> to the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the new 
>> MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a 
>> lot about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 
>> years.  
>> 
>> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things 
>> sense.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
>>> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so 
>>> excited when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  
>>> Nowadays, that's just laughable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the 
 day and got far far less for the money.
 
 The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I 
 customized one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of 
 SSD.  They still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations 
 though.
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

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Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My MacBook 
Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my room, but 
when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air does not 
have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 
gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a 
processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that 
only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches 
is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook 
Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar 
at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing 
to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much 
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> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
> 
> 
> Sandie.
> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>>> start or stop voice over.
>>>The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on the
>>> Mac proper.
>>>The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>>While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use
>>> different headphones.
>>>The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast
>>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just
>>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on
>>> and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my
>>> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try
>>> chrome books or something else.
>>> 
>>> --
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yeah it's all part of the marvel commics family,
 What gets me is the great music they use for the theams 
 Go the 80s.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Isn't it great!  Both the Guardians movies have been fun.  I was glad to see 
they're clearly planning on a part 3.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  
> Then again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to 
>> laugh when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I 
>> went to study in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much 
>> of my luggage space to bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that 
>> that's a thing of the past.  You're right, it was a whole other world 
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
>>> exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
>>> for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
>>> machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do 
>>> all that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
>>> dreamed.
>>> 
>>> There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
>>> daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to 
>>> replace that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we 
>>> don’t need cassettes”. It’s so true.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
 money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
 world.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 
> K floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock 
> card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
> accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which 
> were each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 
> megabyte hard disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling 
> keyboards.  Whole shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 
> or 12 at the time, took summer jobs and worked after school to save up 
> and buy the hardware.  The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I 
> had a special card just to display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  
> The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to 
> the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the new MacBooks 
> let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about 
> electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things 
> sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
>> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so 
>> excited when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  
>> Nowadays, that's just laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the 
>>> day and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I 
>>> customized one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of 
>>> SSD.  They still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations 
>>> though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
 someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
 some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such 
 a high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

I've just setup a new Mac computer for work,

 It cost me $15  NZ dollars and runs sierra 10.12.5,
 I can take it anywhere in a pocket so long as I can find a Mac computer to use 
when I get tto my location,
 Yeah ok it's Mac OS sierra installed to a 32GB USB flash drive and I just use 
it in all machines I use around work, that way I have all my settins the way I 
want them.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
world.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they fell 
> off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
> (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a card 
> and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk (cider 
> drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole shooting match 
> got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs 
> and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  The processor was 
> all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to display 80 columns 
> per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That 
> doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware that control the light bar 
> on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell 
> of a lot about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 
> years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>> laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
>>> and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
>>> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
>>> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and 
>> price the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>> Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of 
>> laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

As displayed in the presentation of high sierra 
 The iMac Pro will be for the wing nut staff / creators of virtual reality or 
augmented reality video.

 Not something we mortals would really get the best use from but hell it would 
make a great machine for bootcamping windows 10 on.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing power 
is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.

It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.

Jeff

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal 
> computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>> should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
 machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run 
> from mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back 
> of the machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with 
> magsafe power connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I 
> have plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not 
> really unplugged it much so I forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive 
> Apple watch which i liked but wasn't going 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, you can still buy the older Macbooks with regular keyboard, just so you 
know.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Talking of the new macbooks from 2016.
> I saw one today and the fact that the keyboard was so integrated into the 
> computer that you hardly can type on it makes me a bit frustrated.
> I have my model from 2015 and really like the keyboard.
> I do hope i can use this mac for a very long time.
> /A
>> 5 juni 2017 kl. 05:16 skrev lenron brown :
>> 
>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
>> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
>> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
>>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
>>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
>>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
 Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
 machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
 picked it up off of amazon.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
 last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
 mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
 someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
 but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
 see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
 
 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
>> to!

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Isn't it great!  Both the Guardians movies have been fun.  I was glad to see 
they're clearly planning on a part 3.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  Then 
> again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to laugh 
>> when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I went to 
>> study in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much of my luggage 
>> space to bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that that's a thing of 
>> the past.  You're right, it was a whole other world
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
>>> exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
>>> for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
>>> machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do 
>>> all that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
>>> dreamed.
>>> 
>>> There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
>>> daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to 
>>> replace that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we 
>>> don’t need cassettes”. It’s so true.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
 money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
 world.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 
> K floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock 
> card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
> accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which 
> were each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 
> megabyte hard disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling 
> keyboards.  Whole shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 
> or 12 at the time, took summer jobs and worked after school to save up 
> and buy the hardware.  The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I 
> had a special card just to display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  
> The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to 
> the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the new MacBooks 
> let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about 
> electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things 
> sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
>> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so 
>> excited when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  
>> Nowadays, that's just laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the 
>>> day and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I 
>>> customized one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of 
>>> SSD.  They still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations 
>>> though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
 someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
 some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such 
 a high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  
 $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  
> wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  Then 
again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to laugh 
> when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I went to study 
> in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much of my luggage space to 
> bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that that's a thing of the past.  
> You're right, it was a whole other world
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
>> exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
>> for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
>> machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do all 
>> that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
>> dreamed.
>> 
>> There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
>> daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to replace 
>> that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we don’t need 
>> cassettes”. It’s so true.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
>>> money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
>>> world.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
 fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
 
 My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
 floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock 
 card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
 accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were 
 each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard 
 disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole 
 shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, 
 took summer jobs and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  
 The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to 
 display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was 
 composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to the processor and 
 hardware that control the light bar on the new MacBooks let alone the 
 MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about electronics then 
 though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
 
 Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
 
 
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited 
> when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, 
> that's just laughable.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
>> and got far far less for the money.
>> 
>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
>> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
>> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
>>> someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
>>> some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such a 
>>> high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 
>>> for a personal computer is ridiculous.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
 that if I had some type of major video production company. At least 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to laugh when 
they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I went to study in 
Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much of my luggage space to 
bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that that's a thing of the past.  
You're right, it was a whole other world
Donna


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
> exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
> for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
> machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do all 
> that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever dreamed.
> 
> There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
> daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to replace 
> that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we don’t need 
> cassettes”. It’s so true.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
>> money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
>> world.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
>>> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
>>> 
>>> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
>>> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock 
>>> card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
>>> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a 
>>> card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk 
>>> (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole 
>>> shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, 
>>> took summer jobs and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  
>>> The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to 
>>> display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was 
>>> composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware 
>>> that control the light bar on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks 
>>> themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about electronics then though 
>>> and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
>>> 
>>> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
 early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited 
 when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, 
 that's just laughable.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
> and got far far less for the money.
> 
> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
>> someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
>> some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such a 
>> high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 
>> for a personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
>>> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
>>> know it should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

All I have to say to that is 

Call -151

Apple command to enter the 6502 assembler.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:16 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My Apple II+ had the shit key mod that hooked a wire from the keyboard into 
> the game controller plug so I could actually type upper and lower case. I 
> also had discovered $C030 was the address of the speaker to make it click. Do 
> that often enough and you get a tone. Turned out $C020 was the "cassette 
> port" jack on the back of the machine. So if I search through the binary code 
> of games and changed the C030s to C020s I could run sound to the jack and run 
> that to my sound system. Sooo much better sounding.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/7/17 10:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
>> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
>> 
>> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
>> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
>> (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
>> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a 
>> card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk 
>> (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole 
>> shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, 
>> took summer jobs and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  
>> The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to 
>> display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was 
>> composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware 
>> that control the light bar on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks 
>> themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about electronics then though and 
>> used that same setup for almost 9 years.
>> 
>> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>>> laughable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
 and got far far less for the money.
 
 The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
 one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
 still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
> personal computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
>> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
>> know it should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I remember them.  I believe I ran a 2FX something like that, maybe cx, when 
working with a Synclavier.  I mostly used the synclavier front panel buttons 
because I didn’t know of accessibility on the Mac at the time.  (Boy wish I 
did). Very cool hardware though.  At the time I thought it was clever to be 
able to play the keyboard and have it generate sheet music.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:06 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day when I switched from Apple II to Mac I bought a discontinued 
> Mac IIcx which had no hard drive, no monitor and a full megabyte of RAM on 
> four 256K DIMMs. If I recall it was about $1600. I quickly added a hard drive 
> as running from floppy disk was horrible. It was a huge 105MB unit I called 
> "the pit" as I could load up nearly all my floppies of stuff into it.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/7/17 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>> laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
>>> and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
>>> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
>>> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal
 Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini
 does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have
 plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really
 unplugged it much so I forgot.
 
 Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

My Apple II+ had the shit key mod that hooked a wire from the keyboard 
into the game controller plug so I could actually type upper and lower 
case. I also had discovered $C030 was the address of the speaker to make 
it click. Do that often enough and you get a tone. Turned out $C020 was 
the "cassette port" jack on the back of the machine. So if I search 
through the binary code of games and changed the C030s to C020s I could 
run sound to the jack and run that to my sound system. Sooo much better 
sounding.


CB

On 6/7/17 10:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they fell 
off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.

My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
(because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a card 
and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk (cider 
drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole shooting match 
got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs 
and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  The processor was all 
of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to display 80 columns per 
screen instead of 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t 
even compare to the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the 
new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot 
about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.

Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
  




On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
laughable.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day and 
got far far less for the money.

The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized one 
and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They still start 
at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone else 
said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other reason had 
those financial resources and the need for such a high end machine, then maybe. 
 But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that if I 
had some type of major video production company. At least you know it should be 
future proof bro.

On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Scott, your crazy dude,

Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.

When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price
the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?

Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.


On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the
machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.

On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Kawal,

I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as
well,

I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from
mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the
machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power
connectivity

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal
Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Back in the day when I switched from Apple II to Mac I bought a 
discontinued Mac IIcx which had no hard drive, no monitor and a full 
megabyte of RAM on four 256K DIMMs. If I recall it was about $1600. I 
quickly added a hard drive as running from floppy disk was horrible. It 
was a huge 105MB unit I called "the pit" as I could load up nearly all 
my floppies of stuff into it.


CB

On 6/7/17 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
laughable.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day and 
got far far less for the money.

The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized one 
and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They still start 
at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone else 
said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other reason had 
those financial resources and the need for such a high end machine, then maybe. 
 But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that if I 
had some type of major video production company. At least you know it should be 
future proof bro.

On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Scott, your crazy dude,

Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.

When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price
the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?

Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.


On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the
machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.

On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Kawal,

I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as
well,

I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from
mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the
machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power
connectivity

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal
Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini
does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have
plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really
unplugged it much so I forgot.

Kawal.

On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better exponentially.  
Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds for a digital watch. 
 Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading machines $50,000, GPS 
navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do all that with my phone, 
faster and better than the original products ever dreamed.

There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to replace 
that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we don’t need 
cassettes”. It’s so true.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
> money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
> world.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
>> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
>> 
>> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
>> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
>> (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
>> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a 
>> card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk 
>> (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole 
>> shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, 
>> took summer jobs and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  
>> The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to 
>> display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was 
>> composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware 
>> that control the light bar on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks 
>> themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about electronics then though and 
>> used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
>> 
>> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>>> laughable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
 and got far far less for the money.
 
 The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
 one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
 still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
> personal computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
>> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
>> know it should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Just giving you a hard time, Scot..  Yes, I do more than your mom, but your 
computer needs are far greater than mine, without a doubt.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> No doubt, but my mother doesn’t.:). She does her taxes, emails, plays games 
> and helps me with my paper work on occasion.  That’s about it.:). 
> 
> You’ve got all sorts going on in comparison.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey!  I do more than play solitaire and work crossword puzzles! lol
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re absolutely right, it would be like putting that Mac in the hands of 
>>> my mother.  You don’t need that much horsepower to play solitaire and 
>>> crossword puzzles.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Don't get me wrong, for someone like you, it makes total sense.  But for 
 someone like me, it absolutely doesn't.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
> simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the 
> business side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a 
> machine like this for personal use. 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of 
>>> processing power is for a power user—such as those who would create 
>>> audio and/or video.
>>> 
>>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
 someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
 some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such 
 a high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  
 $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  
> wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least 
> you know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run 
 from 
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe 
 power 
 connectivity
 
 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
world.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they fell 
> off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
> (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a card 
> and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk (cider 
> drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole shooting match 
> got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs 
> and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  The processor was 
> all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to display 80 columns 
> per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That 
> doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware that control the light bar 
> on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell 
> of a lot about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 
> years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>> laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
>>> and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
>>> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
>>> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

No doubt, but my mother doesn’t.:). She does her taxes, emails, plays games and 
helps me with my paper work on occasion.  That’s about it.:). 

You’ve got all sorts going on in comparison.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey!  I do more than play solitaire and work crossword puzzles! lol
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> You’re absolutely right, it would be like putting that Mac in the hands of 
>> my mother.  You don’t need that much horsepower to play solitaire and 
>> crossword puzzles.
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't get me wrong, for someone like you, it makes total sense.  But for 
>>> someone like me, it absolutely doesn't.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
 simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the 
 business side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a 
 machine like this for personal use. 
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
>> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or 
>> video.
>> 
>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
>>> someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
>>> some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such a 
>>> high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 
>>> for a personal computer is ridiculous.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
 that if I had some type of major video production company. At least 
 you know it should be future proof bro.
 
 On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
> 
> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
> 
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
> 
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>> 
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe 
>>> power 
>>> connectivity
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Hey!  I do more than play solitaire and work crossword puzzles! lol

Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re absolutely right, it would be like putting that Mac in the hands of my 
> mother.  You don’t need that much horsepower to play solitaire and crossword 
> puzzles.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong, for someone like you, it makes total sense.  But for 
>> someone like me, it absolutely doesn't.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
>>> simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the 
>>> business side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a machine 
>>> like this for personal use. 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  
> wrote:
> 
> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or 
> video.
> 
> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
>> someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
>> some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such a 
>> high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 
>> for a personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
>>> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
>>> know it should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
 the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
 Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
 
 Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
> wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>> connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>> Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

You’re absolutely right, it would be like putting that Mac in the hands of my 
mother.  You don’t need that much horsepower to play solitaire and crossword 
puzzles.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Don't get me wrong, for someone like you, it makes total sense.  But for 
> someone like me, it absolutely doesn't.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
>> simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the 
>> business side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a machine 
>> like this for personal use. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
 
 That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
 power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or 
 video.
 
 It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
 
 Jeff
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
> personal computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
>> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
>> know it should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
 machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
> connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
> unplugged it much so I forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they fell 
off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.

My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
(because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a card 
and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk (cider 
drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole shooting match 
got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs 
and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  The processor was all 
of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to display 80 columns per 
screen instead of 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t 
even compare to the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the 
new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot 
about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  

Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
 


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
> laughable.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day and 
>> got far far less for the money.
>> 
>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized one 
>> and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They still 
>> start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
 if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
 should be future proof bro.
 
 On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
> 
> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
> 
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
> 
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>> 
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>>> connectivity
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Don't get me wrong, for someone like you, it makes total sense.  But for 
someone like me, it absolutely doesn't.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
> simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the 
> business side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a machine 
> like this for personal use. 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
>>> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
>>> 
>>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
 Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
 does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
 plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
 unplugged it much so I forgot.
 
 Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
laughable.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day and 
> got far far less for the money.
> 
> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized one 
> and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They still 
> start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>>> should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
 the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
 Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
 
 Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>> connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>> Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I wonder how long Apple will allow that high end hardware to be updated on the 
OS side?

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> True…And they will be fairly future proof for years to come.
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
>>> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
>>> 
>>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
 Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
 does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
 plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
 unplugged it much so I forgot.
 
 Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  
 wrote:
 
 Hi 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

It will be for this user but I run a lot of virtual machines for network 
simulation so I can justify it and also take it as a deduction on the business 
side.  I suspect you’re right though that some would buy a machine like this 
for personal use. 

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
>> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
>> 
>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
 if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
 should be future proof bro.
 
 On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
> 
> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
> 
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
> 
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>> 
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>>> connectivity
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
 is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
 externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day and 
got far far less for the money.

The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized one 
and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They still start 
at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal 
> computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>> should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
 machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
> connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
> unplugged it much so I forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I hear you, I’m working with my Mac using a magic keyboard which isn’t bad but 
I would prefer having a good built in keyboard.

I totally agree though, I like the 2015 design myself.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:26 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Talking of the new macbooks from 2016.
> I saw one today and the fact that the keyboard was so integrated into the 
> computer that you hardly can type on it makes me a bit frustrated.
> I have my model from 2015 and really like the keyboard.
> I do hope i can use this mac for a very long time.
> /A
>> 5 juni 2017 kl. 05:16 skrev lenron brown :
>> 
>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
>> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
>> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
>>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
>>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
>>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
 Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
 machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
 picked it up off of amazon.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
 last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
 mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
 someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
 but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
 see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
 
 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Jeff Berwick]

True…And they will be fairly future proof for years to come.
Jeff

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
>> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
>> 
>> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
 if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
 should be future proof bro.
 
 On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
> 
> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
> 
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
> 
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>> 
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>>> connectivity
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
 is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
 externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, I don't know.  It probably will be for someone out there. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
> 
> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>>> should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
 the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
 Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
 
 Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>> connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>> Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>> bar on it.  I 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Jeff Berwick]

That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing power 
is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.

It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.

Jeff

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal 
> computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>> should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
 machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
> connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
> unplugged it much so I forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
> purchase another 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone else 
said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other reason had 
those financial resources and the need for such a high end machine, then maybe. 
 But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that if 
> I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
> should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>>  Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
 Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
 does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
 plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
 unplugged it much so I forgot.
 
 Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott.
 
 A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
 convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
 
 After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
 watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
 to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
 the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
 
 Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
 bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
 have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
 both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
 getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
 purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
 strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
 it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
 able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
 another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
 that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Talking of the new macbooks from 2016.
I saw one today and the fact that the keyboard was so integrated into the 
computer that you hardly can type on it makes me a bit frustrated.
I have my model from 2015 and really like the keyboard.
I do hope i can use this mac for a very long time.
/A
> 5 juni 2017 kl. 05:16 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
> 
> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
>> knew the OWC set would work.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
>>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
>>> picked it up off of amazon.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
>>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
>>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
>>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
>>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
>>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
>>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
 a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
> to!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone
>> a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

 A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that if I 
had some type of major video production company. At least you know it should be 
future proof bro.

On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
>
>   Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>>
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>>
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>>> connectivity
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have 
>>> plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really 
>>> unplugged it much so I forgot.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 Hello,

 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
 is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
 externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

 Regards,

 Gena

> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>>
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:

 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give 
 someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using 
 a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print 
 censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  
 That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
 Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

It’s a lot of money but it’s not the worst thing electronics wise I’ve bought.  
I had a VIdikron projector for a while that cost almost as much as a house new. 
(I bought it used so it cost as much as a nice car for me). Fantastic projector 
and all but I left and sold it with my house when I moved to California many 
years ago.  I could take it on my taxes as a business deduction which helped.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 8:02 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least
> you know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>>  Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price the
>> fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is
>>> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as
 well,
 
 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from
 mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the
 machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power
 connectivity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does
 not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged
 that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it
 much so I forgot.
 
 Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does
> the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott.
 
 A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
 convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
 
 After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
 which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
 Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
 better than the second Gen.
 
 Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar
 on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the
 Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the
 Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
 Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
 computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
 run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
 one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
 it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
 ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
 because I will be able to!
 
 Kawal.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
> pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

 I was just guessing about the 10K but knowing Apple and how they over charge 
for ports, if we’re talking 18 cores and 128 GB of storage along with 16 GB of 
video ram I bet the box is expensive.  Not to mention 4TB of SSD storage.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott, your crazy dude,
> 
>  Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
> 
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price the fully 
> spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
> 
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
>> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>>> well,
>>> 
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>>> connectivity
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>>> I forgot.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
 magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>>> better than the second Gen.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac 
>>> Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe 
>>> plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe 
>>> stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as 
>>> both my computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest 
>>> software on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these 
>>> days we won't be able to run the latest software so then it will be 
>>> time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever 
>>> I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be 
>>> able to!
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a 
 pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest 
 model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for 
 several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I 
 thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
 also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
 Siri when 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I wish the Drobo Dashboard worked with voiceover.

CB

On 6/5/17 2:27 PM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some 
fun things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task 
might take hours so I do those at night.


   I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So 
I am now a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned 
about the reliability factor.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the limit
is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at about
30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for backups
or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 seems to
peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit around
1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive on my
Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for archiving
old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal 
fast SSD.


CB

On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.

   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 
12,1,

in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar 
shape.


CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB
SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to
put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere
but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname
ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for
nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce 
wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e.
It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy
that if I had some type of major video production company. At least
you know it should be future proof bro.

On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, your crazy dude,
>
>   Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>
> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price the
> fully spec'd iMac Pro.
> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>
> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>
> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is
>> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>>
>>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as
>>> well,
>>>
>>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from
>>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the
>>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power
>>> connectivity
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does
>>> not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged
>>> that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it
>>> much so I forgot.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 Hello,

 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does
 the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

 Regards,

 Gena

> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>>
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
>>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
>>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
>>> better than the second Gen.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar
>>> on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the
>>> Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the
>>> Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
>>> Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
>>> computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
>>> run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
>>> one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
>>> it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
>>> ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
>>> because I will be able to!
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
 pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
 model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
 several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
 thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
 follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical
 keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
 fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
 when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott, your crazy dude,

  Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.

When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price the fully 
spec'd iMac Pro.
Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.


 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?

Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
>> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
>> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
>> connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>> I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
>> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>> better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
>> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug. 
>>  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
>> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
>> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
>> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, 
>> I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t 
>>> say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
>>> also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
>>> Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,
No it isn't mag safe,

 Infact if you pull it out or should I say to pull it out you have to give it a 
pretty tough pull and it's a three pin socket in the back such as used on the 
back of a windows tower PC 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:41 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is that 
not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from 
> mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the 
> machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power 
> connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so I 
> forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
> better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  
> I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy another 
> IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max 
> out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say 
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires 
>> when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you 
>> want to start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on 
>> all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size 
>> difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All 
>> your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard 
>> and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t 
>> included.
>>  While I like the 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 That's what I did to a 2012 MBP for my neace,

 I used the spindle drive in a different machine I had.

 As for using SSD for time machine backups 
I personally wouldn't as they will ware out quicker with the reading / writing 
A spindle drive although slower would be a better option for backups.
If you wanted to be geeky, then you could find a USB C or thunderbolt 3 drive 
case and put an SSD in it and use it as a primary hard drive or clone of your 
laptops hard drive 



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Chris,
I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the old drive 
into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.

Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping Time 
Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come in, I may look 
at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD is more reliable that I 
could use one large drive and partition it?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an 
> online upgrade matching page here:
>
> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>
> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 
> 12,1, in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>
> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>
> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to 
>> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact 
>> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>>
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
>>> SSD. I got the Other World Computing bundle which included the 
>>> special screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive 
>>> case to put her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is 
>>> currently $389. I probably could have found the raw drive and such 
>>> cheaper elsewhere but I knew the OWC set would work.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
 Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just 
 upgrade  a machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand 
 nname ones. I picked it up off of amazon.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this 
 computer can last because there is no way I want or can really 
 upgrade to another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going 
 to cost me almost 300 for a
 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have 
 to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done 
 for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building 
 a computer.
 Hope to
 see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. 
>>> It is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?

Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
>> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
>> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>> I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
>> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>> better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
>> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug. 
>>  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
>> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
>> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
>> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, 
>> I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t 
>>> say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
>>> also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
>>> Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight 
>>> size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong 
>>> port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older 
>>> standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they 
>>> aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you 
>>> have to use different headphones.
>>> The things I do like 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, magsafe is the magnetic connector that used to be used on laptops.  
It’s a round connector with a flat side that sticks with a magnet in to the 
port.


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
>> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
>> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>> I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
>> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>> better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
>> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug. 
>>  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
>> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
>> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
>> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, 
>> I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t 
>>> say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
>>> also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
>>> Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight 
>>> size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong 
>>> port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older 
>>> standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they 
>>> aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you 
>>> have to use 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is that 
not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so I 
> forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
> better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  
> I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy another 
> IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max 
> out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say 
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires 
>> when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you 
>> want to start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on 
>> all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size 
>> difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All 
>> your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard 
>> and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t 
>> included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM 
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use 
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast 
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s 
>> just not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to 
>> type on and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss 
>> in my opinion.  I won’t go back to 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thisis myt approach 3 2 1 backup. That mean 3 version  of  anything , 2 
different sources  that being external drive, ddvd, or usb key, one  backup 
storage in the cloud. That backup approach has been thought to me by pros in 
the photo industry who follow this approach.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Chris,
I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some fun 
things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task might take hours 
so I do those at night.

I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So I am now 
a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned about the reliability 
factor.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the 
> limit is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at 
> about 30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for 
> backups or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 
> seems to peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit 
> around 1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive 
> on my Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for 
> archiving old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal 
> fast SSD.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Chris,
>>I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
>> old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.
>>
>>Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
>> Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
>> in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an 
>> SSD is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an 
>>> online upgrade matching page here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>>>
>>> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 
>>> 12,1, in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>>>
>>> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen 
 to have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the 
 fact that this drive on some places is close to $900.

 On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
> SSD. I got the Other World Computing bundle which included the 
> special screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external 
> drive case to put her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit 
> is currently $389. I probably could have found the raw drive and 
> such cheaper elsewhere but I knew the OWC set would work.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just 
>> upgrade  a machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the 
>> brand nname ones. I picked it up off of amazon.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron 
>> brown
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of 
>> laptops
>>
>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this 
>> computer can last because there is no way I want or can really 
>> upgrade to another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is 
>> going to cost me almost 300 for a
>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I 
>> have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get 
>> it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the price for 
>> building a computer.
>> Hope to
>> see some nice 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

Chris,
   I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some 
fun things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task might 
take hours so I do those at night.


   I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So I 
am now a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned about 
the reliability factor.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the limit
is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at about
30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for backups
or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 seems to
peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit around
1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive on my
Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for archiving
old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal fast SSD.

CB

On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.

   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB
SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to
put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere
but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname
ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for
nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce 
wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e.
It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce 
wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the limit 
is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at about 
30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for backups 
or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 seems to 
peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit around 
1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive on my 
Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for archiving 
old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal fast SSD.


CB

On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.


   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD 
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
SSD. I

got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to 
put

her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere 
but I

knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname 
ones. I

picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to 
another. I

mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for 
nothing

but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
wasn't

a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall




On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  
wrote:


Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. 
It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
externally. Or

does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.
On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  
wrote:


Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of 
money

to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thasts one place I regulary go for ssd fro even windows pc as well. also like 
Kingstoneas well.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:58 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

Lenron, check out crucial.com  , they have drives for less 
money than that.  Not sure if that included installation but I was able to do 
the installation with out sited assistance.  I do have more experience than 
your average user but I didn’t find it hard and bet you could do it your self 
in house.

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:10 PM, lenron brown  > wrote:

 

Yeah it is pretty cool to see ya





ll here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall







On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  >
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical
keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does
on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Yes. Loving those returns from them.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

I can back up the crucial suggestion.  I use their gear and love it, very fast 
drives and Gary being a stock trader knows how well Mikron has been doing both 
on a product level and investment level.  Crucial.com   is 
Mikron as I understand it and I love their memory products from soup to nuts.

 

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  > wrote:

 




>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:



What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

   I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:



Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall







On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
 >
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
someone a pass where it’s not 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.


   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD 
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be
able
to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

Oh it does the PCI drives are much more expensive. Kind of makes me
wish I had an old 2012 model or early 2013. Upgrading that thing would
be a lot cheaper. Yes the site sells the complete kit with the screw
drivers and all.

On 6/5/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I wonder if that has to do with PCI express enabled SSD over regular SATA.
>
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 9:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of
>> SSD, and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I
>> suspect it's the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up the
>> 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was an
>> older model, so maybe that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking for
>> one that still had a CD drive in and the price was good.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:
>>> Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
>>> they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
>>> The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
>>> cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
>>> drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
 To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
 online upgrade matching page here:

 https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

 So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro
 12,1,
 in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

 https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

 It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar
 shape.

 CB

 On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>
> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD.
>> I
>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to
>> put
>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but
>> I
>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
>>> upgrade
>>> a
>>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones.
>>> I
>>> picked it up off of amazon.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
>>> computer
>>> can
>>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another.
>>> I
>>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
>>> for
>>> a
>>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
>>> to
>>> get
>>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for
>>> nothing
>>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
>>> Hope
>>> to
>>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
 wasn't
 a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>
> --
> Alex Hall
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>> is
>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally.
>> Or
>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I wonder if that has to do with PCI express enabled SSD over regular SATA.


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 9:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of SSD, 
> and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I suspect it's 
> the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up the 13-inch MacBook 
> Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was an older model, so maybe 
> that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking for one that still had a CD 
> drive in and the price was good.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
>> they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
>> The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
>> cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
>> drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
>>> online upgrade matching page here:
>>> 
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>>> 
>>> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
>>> in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>>> 
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>>> 
>>> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
 have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
 that this drive on some places is close to $900.
 
 On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
  wrote:
> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
> knew the OWC set would work.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade
>> a
>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
>> picked it up off of amazon.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
>> can
>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for
>> a
>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to
>> get
>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope
>> to
>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
>>> a few months ago when I got a new one.
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
 laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott.
 
 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Well that’s part of their success, everything is so cooky cutter, all that 
customizAtion would suddenly turn your company from Apple to Dell and Dell has 
had a rough road at times even though I do think Dell has produced a decent 
product at times.

They could include 1 USB-C to 3.0 adapter, I mean they include a lightning to 
3.5MM.  I also think in the laptops they need to include a 3.5MM to lightning 
adapter you’ve been right about that all along.


Well, we’ll see I just bought the Griffin adapter.

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:55 PM, imon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I believe there is still an issue with audio through  the USB C standard,
> 
> Lets face it apple are always doing things out of the ordinary before others,
> 
> The mag safe power connectors,
> Getting rid of the 3.5" floppy disks in machines,
> The tablet touch devices and phones before others really perfected them,
> Windows mobile 5.5 wasn't up to the standard that the IOS and Android devices 
> are,
> Shrinking machines (Laptops) to a smaller size and still keeping power but 
> giving portability 
> 
> Then removing the iPHone headphone jack on the iPhone,
> 
> It wouldn't surprise me if they bring magsafe back,as for adaptors such as 
> the USB C to USB 3.x or USB C to thunderbolt 3 adaptors are not included 
> because they make them more money and that's what all companys are after, 
> money money money 
> 
> But yeah if they included one of the c to 3 usb adaptors wouldn't hert,
> 
> 
> As for the touch bar, hell I've tried using it and yeah it's cool but not 
> what a blind person really needs,
> I think that apple need to change their customisation lines so that you can 
> make the choices such as the quad core processor max ram and ssd size in a 
> smaller machine without the unrequired features such as the touch bar,
> 
> If I could get a 13"  mac book pro without touch bar with quad core processor 
> and 32GB ram plus min 1TB  ssd and a keyboard I can use like on my 2013 mid 
> 11" air I'd be a happy man but no that's out of the scope of their builds.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> So I’m with you Lenron and great to see you over here.
> 
> I personally think that this means that lightning will be going away in place 
> of USB-C in the future, but that doesn’t help me today.:). I suspect we’ll 
> see though eventually more standardization in Apple as they release new 
> devices but I think this version could have been handled better.  As you say, 
> why not throw a couple USB-C to USB 3.0 adapters in the box.  This is a PITA 
> for me at work because I still use JFW occasionally and the dongle isn’t 
> USB-C.
> 
> I love my 2015 model too.  I have the 15 inch 2.8 GHz quad core model and 
> love it.
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I hope to be using my 2015 model for a few years then. I was not 
>> happy with the look or the ideas of the MBP 2016, not only did they 
>> raise the price. The took away magsafe chargers, And they didn't 
>> provide any adapters when they decided the computer needed to have 4 
>> usb C ports. Most externals still come with usb 3.0 or 2.0 cables. Not 
>> to mention that lightning prt not being on the MBP was a major fail, 
>> after they went and switch to just sellling the phones with lightning 
>> headphones.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> The MagSafe provides stepped down power from the brick, it’s not 110 
>>> V to the MagSafe.
>>> 
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
 fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
 does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>>> the third Gen is 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

One thing you’ll want to check Lenron is that your Mac can be opened.  Some 
need a special tool, Crucial.com  should have this 
information and even sell the tool in most cases.  I know the memory isn’t 
upgradable in the newer models but the drives should be as long as you can 
crack open that case.

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:23 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.
> 
> On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at
>>> home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I
>>> would truly appreciate it .
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>>I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
 can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
 another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
 almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
 include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
 could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
 price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
 though.
 
 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
>> to!
>> 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I can back up the crucial suggestion.  I use their gear and love it, very fast 
drives and Gary being a stock trader knows how well Mikron has been doing both 
on a product level and investment level.  Crucial.com  is 
Mikron as I understand it and I love their memory products from soup to nuts.



> On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home 
>> . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
>> appreciate it .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>>I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
>>> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
>>> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
>>> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
>>> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
>>> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
>>> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
 wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able 
> to!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
>> someone a pass where it’s not deserved 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, check out crucial.com , they have drives for less 
money than that.  Not sure if that included installation but I was able to do 
the installation with out sited assistance.  I do have more experience than 
your average user but I didn’t find it hard and bet you could do it your self 
in house.


> On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:10 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Yeah it is pretty cool to see ya

> ll here as well. I hope this computer
> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
> though.
> 
> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
>> months ago when I got a new one.
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
>>> quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
 magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
>>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
>>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
>>> better than the second Gen.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
>>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
>>> Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
>>> Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
>>> Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
>>> computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
>>> run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
>>> one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
>>> it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
>>> ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
>>> because I will be able to!
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
 pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
 model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
 several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
 thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
 follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical
 keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
 fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
 when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
 does
 on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
 previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
 USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
 on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
 slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
 wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
 the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
 adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
 3.5 MM
 jack, the 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of 
SSD, and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I 
suspect it's the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up 
the 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was 
an older model, so maybe that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking 
for one that still had a CD drive in and the price was good.


CB

On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:

Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade
a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for
a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to
get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope
to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 Great site,

 However it says there is no possible updates available for my MBA mid 2013,

 Shame I was hoping for a 1tb ssd to put in it.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 11:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The site will verify your model of Mac and what capacities are available.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 4:23 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.
>
> On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> > e>
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc 
>>> at home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  
>>> from I would truly appreciate it .
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this 
 computer can last because there is no way I want or can really 
 upgrade to another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going 
 to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That 
 doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean 
 I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
 pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some 
 nice stuff from wwdc though.

 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. 
>>> It is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as 
>> I convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive 
>> Apple watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind 
>> of money to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch 
>> next time if the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the 
>> touch bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it 
>> wouldn't have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and 
>> MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple 
>> seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know 
>> when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
> online upgrade matching page here:
>
> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>
> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
> in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>
> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>
> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
>> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
>> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>>
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
>>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
>>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
>>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
 Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade
 a
 machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
 picked it up off of amazon.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
 can
 last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
 mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for
 a
 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to
 get
 someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
 but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope
 to
 see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an 
online upgrade matching page here:


https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1, 
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:


https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone
a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016
latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor
now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s
something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of
physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri
and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up
starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it
does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
> knew the OWC set would work.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
>> picked it up off of amazon.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>
>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>>
>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
>>> a few months ago when I got a new one.
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

 I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
 laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

 --
 Alex Hall




> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:

 Hi Scott.

 A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
 convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

 After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
 watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
 to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
 the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

 Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
 bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
 have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
 both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
 getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
 purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
 strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
 it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
 able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
 another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
 that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
 to!

 Kawal.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
> 
> wrote:
>
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone
> a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016
> latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor
> now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s
> something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
> Reasons are as follows.
>   The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of
> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri
> and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up
> starting 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I 
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special 
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put 
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I 
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I 
knew the OWC set would work.


CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a 
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I picked 
it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can last 
because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I mean it's 
bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 
dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to 
do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from 
wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone
a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016
latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor
now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s
something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of
physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri
and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up
starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it
does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now
uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The
lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just
like USB-C with a slight size difference so I’m for ever using
the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included cables
with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit
in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of
3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so
you have to use different headphones.
The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s
very fast and the new 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

This is interesting,

 All these comments about the current machine range and features we like / 
dislike  
Have we actually fed this back to apple as a feedback from a minority user 
group?

I was under the impression that Tim cook listened to feedback and although we 
are only a minority user group we have good points about useability 

However we also don't know what is up coming in the way of products except for 
the iMac range which is meant to have the increased spec range of the former 
Mac pros 

 Which will be very interesting 

But should we not be feeding this back to the company to show there is a lot of 
displeasure from a user group 

 My personal thought is that Apple need a kick from someone to start them 
thinking about sensible features and product development 
 Just a thought from the down under.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 7:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can last 
because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I mean it's 
bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 
dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to 
do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from 
wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't 
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone 
>>> a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 
>>> latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor 
>>> now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s 
>>> something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
>>> Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri 
>>> and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up 
>>> starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kawal,

 I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,

 I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that MacMini 
in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so I forgot.

Kawal.
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 240V 
> whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the magsafe 
> deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott.
 
 A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
 him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
 
 After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
 which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
 Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
 better than the second Gen.
 
 Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on it. 
  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe plug 
 on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  I 
 hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't 
 know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are 
 going strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
 it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be able to run 
 the latest software so then it will be time to buy another IMac and 
 MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the 
 memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
 
 Kawal. 
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say 
> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>   The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires 
> when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you 
> want to start or stop voice over.
>   The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
> the Mac proper.
>   The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C 
> instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all 
> the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size 
> difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All 
> your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and 
> don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t 
> included.
>   While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM 
> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use 
> different headphones.
>   The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast 
> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s 
> just not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type 
> on and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my 
> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to 
> try chrome books or something else.
> 
> -- 
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> Visionaries list.
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

I believe there is still an issue with audio through  the USB C standard,

Lets face it apple are always doing things out of the ordinary before others,

 The mag safe power connectors,
Getting rid of the 3.5" floppy disks in machines,
 The tablet touch devices and phones before others really perfected them,
 Windows mobile 5.5 wasn't up to the standard that the IOS and Android devices 
are,
Shrinking machines (Laptops) to a smaller size and still keeping power but 
giving portability 

Then removing the iPHone headphone jack on the iPhone,

It wouldn't surprise me if they bring magsafe back,as for adaptors such as the 
USB C to USB 3.x or USB C to thunderbolt 3 adaptors are not included because 
they make them more money and that's what all companys are after, money money 
money 

 But yeah if they included one of the c to 3 usb adaptors wouldn't hert,


As for the touch bar, hell I've tried using it and yeah it's cool but not what 
a blind person really needs,
 I think that apple need to change their customisation lines so that you can 
make the choices such as the quad core processor max ram and ssd size in a 
smaller machine without the unrequired features such as the touch bar,

If I could get a 13"  mac book pro without touch bar with quad core processor 
and 32GB ram plus min 1TB  ssd and a keyboard I can use like on my 2013 mid 11" 
air I'd be a happy man but no that's out of the scope of their builds.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

So I’m with you Lenron and great to see you over here.

I personally think that this means that lightning will be going away in place 
of USB-C in the future, but that doesn’t help me today.:). I suspect we’ll see 
though eventually more standardization in Apple as they release new devices but 
I think this version could have been handled better.  As you say, why not throw 
a couple USB-C to USB 3.0 adapters in the box.  This is a PITA for me at work 
because I still use JFW occasionally and the dongle isn’t USB-C.

I love my 2015 model too.  I have the 15 inch 2.8 GHz quad core model and love 
it.

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Well I hope to be using my 2015 model for a few years then. I was not 
> happy with the look or the ideas of the MBP 2016, not only did they 
> raise the price. The took away magsafe chargers, And they didn't 
> provide any adapters when they decided the computer needed to have 4 
> usb C ports. Most externals still come with usb 3.0 or 2.0 cables. Not 
> to mention that lightning prt not being on the MBP was a major fail, 
> after they went and switch to just sellling the phones with lightning 
> headphones.
> 
> On 6/4/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> The MagSafe provides stepped down power from the brick, it’s not 110 
>> V to the MagSafe.
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

 Yes to my knowledge having looked at the latest 13" air a couple of days ago,
 The air still have the magsafe2 and USB A connectors not the USB C connections,

 It is the mac book pro that the USB C starts at and there are 2 levels of the 
MBP  one without the touch bar and 1 with,

 Processors and keyboards are the main things that change between them.
Max ram 16 gig and 1TB SSD air still limited to 512GB ssd and upto i7 2.2GHz 
processor and 8GB ram.

 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 2:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Well the Air I think still uses the older style connections so you’ll probably 
be still happy.  It’s the 13 and 15 inch top end MacBook Pro line that I’m 
working with.

> On Jun 3, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA 
> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.  
> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port on 
> the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where you 
> can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too bad.  
> I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model laptop 
>> with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks and I need 
>> to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact 
>> is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when 
>> you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to 
>> start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C 
>> instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the 
>> phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference 
>> so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included 
>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in the 
>> USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM 
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use 
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast 
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just 
>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on and 
>> all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my opinion.  
>> I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try chrome 
>> books or something else.
>> 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

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available.


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  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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On 6/4/2017 4:23 PM, lenron brown wrote:

this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.

On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:




 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at
home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I
would truly appreciate it .

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using
a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print
censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.
That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of
physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers
Siri and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also
end up starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it
does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.

On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:
>
> 
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at
>> home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I
>> would truly appreciate it .
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>
>> I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
>>> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
>>> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
>>> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
>>> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
>>> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
>>> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
>>> though.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
 wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>
> --
> Alex Hall
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 Hello,

 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

 Regards,

 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott.
>
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
> to!
>
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
>> someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using
>> a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print
>> censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.
>> That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
>> Reasons are as follows.

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using
a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print
censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.
That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.
Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of
physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers
Siri and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also
end up starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it
does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all
my previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable
now uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The
lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just
like USB-C with a slight size difference so I’m for ever using
the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included cables
with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit
in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
While 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer 
> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to 
> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me 
> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even 
> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I 
> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the 
> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc 
> though.
>
> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
>> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 Hello,

 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
 is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
 externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

 Regards,

 Gena

> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>>
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:

 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give 
 someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using 
 a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print 
 censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  
 That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
 Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers 
 Siri and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also 
 end up starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
 does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all 
 my previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable 
 now uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The 
 lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just 
 like USB-C 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

   I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
because I will be able to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical
keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does
on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to
use different headphones.
The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very
fast and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But
it’s just not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more
enjoyable to type on and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this
year are a miss in my opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet
I could be convinced to try chrome books or something else.

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a 
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I picked 
it up off of amazon.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can last 
because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I mean it's 
bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 
dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to 
do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from 
wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't 
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone 
>>> a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 
>>> latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor 
>>> now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s 
>>> something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
>>> Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri 
>>> and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up 
>>> starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now 
>>> uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The 
>>> lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just 
>>> like USB-C with a slight size difference so I’m for ever using 
>>> the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included cables 
>>> with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit 
>>> in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so 
>>> you 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
> months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
>> quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
>> better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
>> Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
>> Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
>> Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
>> computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
>> run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
>> one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
>> it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
>> ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
>> because I will be able to!
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
>>> pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
>>> model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
>>> several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
>>> thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
>>> follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical
>>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
>>> fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
>>> when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does
>>> on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
>>> slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
>>> wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
>>> the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
>>> adapters but they aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM
>>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to
>>> use different headphones.
>>> The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s 
>>> very
>>> fast and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But
>>> it’s just not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more
>>> enjoyable to type on and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this
>>> year are a miss in my opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet
>>> I could be convinced to try chrome books