Re: Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

[Brad Snyder]

Rather than unsubscribe from every groups.io email group you are subscribed to, 
you should be able to access your groups.io account online, and change the 
email address associated with your account. 

- Brad -



On Jul 25, 2023, at 13:16, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad. That doesn't work either. I had the same problem with iCloud moving 
mail to junk. Unfortunately iCloud doesn't have a way to tell the email server 
that a message isn't junk. That's why I've decided to unsubscribe from my 
groups.io <http://groups.io/> mailing lists with this account and switch them 
over to my Hotmail Account. That way if they do go into the junk folder I can 
stop that.


> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> In my experience, these are server side issues that must be addressed by 
> accessing your email provider’s web portal.
> I suggest that you login to your email account using the providers web site, 
> go to the Junk folder, and mark any item in the folder that is not junk as 
> “Not Junk”..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:35, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
> the junk folder.
> I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
> So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
> in the inbox.
> Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
> So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
> So go check the junk folder.
> I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
> They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
> would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
> emails per day from the junk folder.
> I also reset the junk filter with no luck.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob
> 
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Re: Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

[bbsshawn via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad. That doesn't work either. I had the same problem with iCloud moving 
mail to junk. Unfortunately iCloud doesn't have a way to tell the email server 
that a message isn't junk. That's why I've decided to unsubscribe from my 
groups.io <http://groups.io/> mailing lists with this account and switch them 
over to my Hotmail Account. That way if they do go into the junk folder I can 
stop that.


> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my experience, these are server side issues that must be addressed by 
> accessing your email provider’s web portal.
> I suggest that you login to your email account using the providers web site, 
> go to the Junk folder, and mark any item in the folder that is not junk as 
> “Not Junk”..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:35, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
> the junk folder.
> I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
> So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
> in the inbox.
> Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
> So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
> So go check the junk folder.
> I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
> They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
> would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
> emails per day from the junk folder.
> I also reset the junk filter with no luck.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob
> 
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Re: Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

[Brad Snyder]

In my experience, these are server side issues that must be addressed by 
accessing your email provider’s web portal.
I suggest that you login to your email account using the providers web site, go 
to the Junk folder, and mark any item in the folder that is not junk as “Not 
Junk”..

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On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:35, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Dear List,
For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
the junk folder.
I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
in the inbox.
Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
So go check the junk folder.
I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
emails per day from the junk folder.
I also reset the junk filter with no luck.

Thanks for any help,
Rob

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Re: Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I am noticing this same problem on my iOS devices too! Harry

> On 23 Jul 2023, at 16:36, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
> the junk folder.
> I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
> So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
> in the inbox.
> Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
> So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
> So go check the junk folder.
> I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
> They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
> would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
> emails per day from the junk folder.
> I also reset the junk filter with no luck.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob
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Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
the junk folder.
I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
in the inbox.
Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
So go check the junk folder.
I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
emails per day from the junk folder.
I also reset the junk filter with no luck.

Thanks for any help,
Rob

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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

As stated, I’ve done that, and it’s been resolved, I just find it interested as 
to how that was switched in the first place.

> On Jul 7, 2023, at 3:59 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Check mailbox bdehavers and see if there is something in there.  So under 
> prefrences, accounts.  Select the account and there is a mailbox behaviors 
> tab where you can change the way mailboxes sync and other behavers.  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
>> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
>> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so 
>> I’m really stumped on how this happened.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
 mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
 that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
 Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as 
> soon as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases 
> everything like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly 
> happened yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so 
> have no idea what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
>> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your 
>> deleted folder in some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  
>>> Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to 
>>> fix?
>>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Check mailbox bdehavers and see if there is something in there.  So under 
prefrences, accounts.  Select the account and there is a mailbox behaviors tab 
where you can change the way mailboxes sync and other behavers.  Thanks.

Matthew



> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so I’m 
> really stumped on how this happened.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
>>> mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
>>> that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
>>> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
 somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon 
 as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything 
 like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened 
 yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea 
 what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted 
> folder in some cases.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does 
>> anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

This was happening regardless of which mailbox I had selected.  I had to do 
some playing around with mailbox behaviors, something I’ve never attempted to 
do anything with, and eventually found that my option to have my deleted 
messages moved to option somehow ended up being switched to “none.”  So after 
switching it back to “gmail/trash,” everything is now working again.  I’m just 
really baffled as to how this happened, since I don’t play with those settings, 
any more than I would on my Amazon fire tv, but now one of ours is deciding 
even after I turn Voiceview off, to turn it back on all by itself, and 
sometimes will do this repeatedly, so I’ve stopped trying to figure out why 
this is.

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> 1. What  mailbox do you have selected.
> 2. If you type command-shift-F (Mailbox search) is there anything in that 
> text entry field (if so clear it out)
> 3. Look for items about filter in the view menu of your mail applicaiton. I 
> believe command-option-L toggles filters on and off, but I might be off in 
> what the second modifier key is.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:32 PM Jessica Moss  > wrote:
>> Ok, so after doing a lot of digging, and having to do a lot of exploring 
>> with mailbox behaviors, which I’m not familiar with, I found out my setting 
>> to move deleted messages to trash folder somehow got switched to “none” 
>> which makes no sense.  So after switching it back to gmail/trash, things 
>> seem to finally be fixed.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:57 PM, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
 check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
 to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so 
 I’m really stumped on how this happened.
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
>> mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
>> that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
>> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: 
>> VA3ETS
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
>>> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as 
>>> soon as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases 
>>> everything like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just 
>>> randomly happened yesterday, without me having done anything to my 
>>> settings, so have no idea what needs to be fixed, let alone what could 
>>> have caused it.
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
 within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your 
 deleted folder in some cases.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, 
> that when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox 
> looked like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything 
> within my work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in 
> tact.
> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about 
> filters, upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but 
> figured I’d attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So 
> after doing some playing around to see what would take, I somehow 
> managed to get my mail back, but now on both sides, my erase-all 
> command is now no longer working, and my messages are reappearing as 
> fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally 
> toggled on that I need to fix?
> 
> -- 
> The 

Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jonathan Cohn]

1. What  mailbox do you have selected.
2. If you type command-shift-F (Mailbox search) is there anything in that
text entry field (if so clear it out)
3. Look for items about filter in the view menu of your mail applicaiton. I
believe command-option-L toggles filters on and off, but I might be off in
what the second modifier key is.



On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:32 PM Jessica Moss 
wrote:

> Ok, so after doing a lot of digging, and having to do a lot of exploring
> with mailbox behaviors, which I’m not familiar with, I found out my setting
> to move deleted messages to trash folder somehow got switched to “none”
> which makes no sense.  So after switching it back to gmail/trash, things
> seem to finally be fixed.
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:57 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>
> Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>
> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I
> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how
> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so
> I’m really stumped on how this happened.
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to
> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in
> mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back
> that you delete.  That’s interesting.
> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
>
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon
> as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like
> it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened
> yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea
> what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn 
> wrote:
>
> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within
> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder
> in some cases.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
>
> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that
> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked
> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work
> e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters,
> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt
> to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing
> around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but
> now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my
> messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I
> could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
>
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, so after doing a lot of digging, and having to do a lot of exploring with 
mailbox behaviors, which I’m not familiar with, I found out my setting to move 
deleted messages to trash folder somehow got switched to “none” which makes no 
sense.  So after switching it back to gmail/trash, things seem to finally be 
fixed.

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:57 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
>> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
>> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so 
>> I’m really stumped on how this happened.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
 mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
 that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
 Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as 
> soon as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases 
> everything like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly 
> happened yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so 
> have no idea what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
>> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your 
>> deleted folder in some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  
>>> Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to 
>>> fix?
>>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

So what I’ve noticed as of now, is this erase all option is not only grade out 
on all my mailboxes, but in order to empty the messages I did find in my trash 
folder, I had to simply select all of them, and delete them all that way.  Upon 
doing this, I attempted to delete these same messages that keep reappearing in 
my inbox over and over, only to find my trash folder completely empty, so I 
unfortunately have no idea what has gotten changed within my settings that I 
need to fix that’s keeping my messages from deleting.  

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:57 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
>> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
>> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so 
>> I’m really stumped on how this happened.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
 mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
 that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
 Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as 
> soon as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases 
> everything like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly 
> happened yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so 
> have no idea what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
>> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your 
>> deleted folder in some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  
>>> Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to 
>>> fix?
>>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

I have not, that’s why I’m so shocked this has happened.

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:57 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
>> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
>> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so 
>> I’m really stumped on how this happened.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
 mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
 that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
 Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as 
> soon as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases 
> everything like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly 
> happened yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so 
> have no idea what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
>> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your 
>> deleted folder in some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  
>>> Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to 
>>> fix?
>>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Herbie Allen]

Did you do anything in the Mail account settings?

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:47, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I 
> check to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
>   I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
> to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so I’m 
> really stumped on how this happened.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
>> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
>>> mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back 
>>> that you delete.  That’s interesting.  
>>> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
 somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon 
 as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything 
 like it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened 
 yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea 
 what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search 
> within all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted 
> folder in some cases.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
>> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
>> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
>> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
>> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
>> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
>> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
>> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
>> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does 
>> anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

This happens regardless of whether I restart mail or not.  Also, How do I check 
to see if I have messages marked as deleted or not?
  I wouldn’t think anything has changed, since I honestly don’t know how 
to/have any desire to change how messages behave for this vary reason, so I’m 
really stumped on how this happened.

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:29 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to 
> mark messages as deleted?  This is very strange.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in 
>> mail where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back that 
>> you delete.  That’s interesting.  
>> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
>>> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon 
>>> as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like 
>>> it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened 
>>> yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea 
>>> what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
 
 Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
 all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder 
 in some cases.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
> when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
> like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my 
> work e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
> upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d 
> attempt to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some 
> playing around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail 
> back, but now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer 
> working, and my messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does 
> anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Whzat happens if you restart the mail app.  Also, do you have mail set to mark 
messages as deleted?  This is very strange.

Matthew



> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in mail 
> where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back that you 
> delete.  That’s interesting.  
> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
>> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon 
>> as I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like 
>> it used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened 
>> yesterday, without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea 
>> what needs to be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
>>> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder 
>>> in some cases.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that 
 when I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked 
 like it it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work 
 e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
 Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, 
 upon mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt 
 to do so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing 
 around to see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but 
 now on both sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my 
 messages are reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what 
 I could’ve accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

['Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries]

OH wow, that’s weird, Jess.  Have never had anything like that happen in mail 
where you can’t delete all messages, and having messages come back that you 
delete.  That’s interesting.  
Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: @va3ets@mstdn.social 

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has somehow 
> happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon as I 
> delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like it 
> used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened yesterday, 
> without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea what needs to 
> be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
>> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in 
>> some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that when 
>>> I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it 
>>> it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work 
>>> e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
>>> mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do 
>>> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to 
>>> see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
>>> sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are 
>>> reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve 
>>> accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Your symptoms are too  vague to be diagnosed without knowing what’s actually 
selected in your mailbox list ', your view menu and your mailbox search area.  
You’ll need to 
 work with  the Apple accessibilty des or talk with somebody can review what 
actually is showing up in your mailbox list in your messages list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon as 
> I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like it 
> used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened yesterday, 
> without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea what needs to 
> be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
>> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in 
>> some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that when 
>>> I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it 
>>> it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work 
>>> e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
>>> mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do 
>>> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to 
>>> see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
>>> sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are 
>>> reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve 
>>> accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has somehow 
happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon as I delete 
them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like it used to on 
either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened yesterday, without me 
having done anything to my settings, so have no idea what needs to be fixed, 
let alone what could have caused it.

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in 
> some cases.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that when 
>> I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it 
>> it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work 
>> e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
>> mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do 
>> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to 
>> see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
>> sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are 
>> reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve 
>> accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within all 
mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in some 
cases.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
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> launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it it 
> had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work e-mailbox, 
> which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>  Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
> mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do 
> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to see 
> what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
> sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are 
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More strange Mac mail behaviors.

[Jessica Moss]

I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that when I 
launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it it had 
completely been erased.  However, everything within my work e-mailbox, which is 
also gmail-based, was still in tact.
  Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do so 
to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to see what 
would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both sides, my 
erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are reappearing as 
fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve accidentally toggled 
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Re: Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I seem to remember Tim saying   you can open time machine while in Mail and 
that will work. Hopefully I am not hallucinating. For a lot of internal access 
to files Macintosh does not directly name the related folders on disk the same 
as in the application. This might be a security feature or for performance 
reasons, but it sure is frustrating for end users just trying find a penny in 
the hay stack of files on a modern Macintosh.
So in summary, start mail start time machine and see if you can actually get a 
history that way.
   
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 1, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
> looked in library/mail and can see mail boxes such as Inbox, Sent, Archive 
> and so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I 
> need to know this so that I can hopefully recover a deleted On My Mac mail 
> box from time machine.
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Re: Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Herbie Allen]

Are you talking about the mail app or a physical location?


Herbie

> On Jun 1, 2023, at 13:35, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
> looked in library/mail and can see mail boxes such as Inbox, Sent, Archive 
> and so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I 
> need to know this so that I can hopefully recover a deleted On My Mac mail 
> box from time machine.
> Many thanks for any help … Paul Hopewell
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Apple Mail on Ventura: where are On My Mac mail boxes stored?

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
Does anyone know where On My Mac mail boxes are stored on Ventura? I have 
looked in library/mail and can see mail boxes such as Inbox, Sent, Archive and 
so on but cannot find any of the mail boxes I created under On My Mac. I need 
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Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail

[Caitlyn Furness]

If I'm not mistaken, you can also do a command f1 to get to the all mail 
boxes...

HTH,
Cait


> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:30 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max, hi just stop interacting with the mailboxes table once I've gotten to 
> all Lynn boxes. And then go down to where it says messages. This will place 
> you in a mailbox with all of your messages.
> Joseph Hudson
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>> On Feb 25, 2023, at 3:34 PM, N  wrote:
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail
>>> Date: 26 February 2023 at 07:32:49 AEDT
>>> To: Mac List 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> this is correct. However how do I stop several inboxes and sent mail etc? 
>>> In the past they were all in the one folder and I had to expand the folder 
>>> to see individual ones. 
>>> I have a feeling that it might be in the mailbox settings I have tried to 
>>> change some of them with no luck.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Feb 2023, at 16:25, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you go up to the one that says all inboxes, you will see all of your 
>>>> mail for all of your boxes.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:59 PM, N  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have had to re add one of my mail accounts to Mail.
>>>>> I have a few accounts in the past all inboxes were collapsed in one 
>>>>> folder so I only needed to read one inbox for them all. same with sent 
>>>>> and deleted.
>>>>> Now some inboxes are down the bottom of the list of mailboxes. In this 
>>>>> list I have folders for each of the list I subscribe to.
>>>>> I have tried making the inboxes favourites but this did not change 
>>>>> anything. 
>>>>> I would just like to have everything return to normal.
>>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>>> Max.
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Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail

[joseph hudson]

Hi Max, hi just stop interacting with the mailboxes table once I've gotten to 
all Lynn boxes. And then go down to where it says messages. This will place you 
in a mailbox with all of your messages.
Joseph Hudson

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> On Feb 25, 2023, at 3:34 PM, N  wrote:
> 
>> Subject: Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail
>> Date: 26 February 2023 at 07:32:49 AEDT
>> To: Mac List 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> this is correct. However how do I stop several inboxes and sent mail etc? In 
>> the past they were all in the one folder and I had to expand the folder to 
>> see individual ones. 
>> I have a feeling that it might be in the mailbox settings I have tried to 
>> change some of them with no luck.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 25 Feb 2023, at 16:25, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you go up to the one that says all inboxes, you will see all of your 
>>> mail for all of your boxes.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:59 PM, N  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have had to re add one of my mail accounts to Mail.
>>>> I have a few accounts in the past all inboxes were collapsed in one folder 
>>>> so I only needed to read one inbox for them all. same with sent and 
>>>> deleted.
>>>> Now some inboxes are down the bottom of the list of mailboxes. In this 
>>>> list I have folders for each of the list I subscribe to.
>>>> I have tried making the inboxes favourites but this did not change 
>>>> anything. 
>>>> I would just like to have everything return to normal.
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>> Max.
>>>> 
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Fwd: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail

[N]

> Subject: Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail
> Date: 26 February 2023 at 07:32:49 AEDT
> To: Mac List 
> 
> Hi,
> this is correct. However how do I stop several inboxes and sent mail etc? In 
> the past they were all in the one folder and I had to expand the folder to 
> see individual ones. 
> I have a feeling that it might be in the mailbox settings I have tried to 
> change some of them with no luck.
> Max.
> 
>> On 25 Feb 2023, at 16:25, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> If you go up to the one that says all inboxes, you will see all of your mail 
>> for all of your boxes.
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:59 PM, N  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have had to re add one of my mail accounts to Mail.
>>> I have a few accounts in the past all inboxes were collapsed in one folder 
>>> so I only needed to read one inbox for them all. same with sent and deleted.
>>> Now some inboxes are down the bottom of the list of mailboxes. In this list 
>>> I have folders for each of the list I subscribe to.
>>> I have tried making the inboxes favourites but this did not change 
>>> anything. 
>>> I would just like to have everything return to normal.
>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>> Max.
>>> 
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Re: Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail

[joseph hudson]

If you go up to the one that says all inboxes, you will see all of your mail 
for all of your boxes.

> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:59 PM, N  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have had to re add one of my mail accounts to Mail.
> I have a few accounts in the past all inboxes were collapsed in one folder so 
> I only needed to read one inbox for them all. same with sent and deleted.
> Now some inboxes are down the bottom of the list of mailboxes. In this list I 
> have folders for each of the list I subscribe to.
> I have tried making the inboxes favourites but this did not change anything. 
> I would just like to have everything return to normal.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> Max.
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Problem with mailboxes in Mac Mail

[N]

Hi all,
I have had to re add one of my mail accounts to Mail.
I have a few accounts in the past all inboxes were collapsed in one folder so I 
only needed to read one inbox for them all. same with sent and deleted.
Now some inboxes are down the bottom of the list of mailboxes. In this list I 
have folders for each of the list I subscribe to.
I have tried making the inboxes favourites but this did not change anything. 
I would just like to have everything return to normal.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Max.

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Re: Accessing BCC in Mac Mail?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Try looking at the few menu under headers or message headers. There should be a show bcc field and a sub menu there.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2022, at 5:53 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
Hi.How can I access BCC field in Mail, please?Thanks!



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Accessing BCC in Mac Mail?

[Fazil M.]

Hi.

How can I access BCC field in Mail, please?

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Re: Mac Mail

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan C. Cohn writes:
> ...
>  You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
> mailboxes. ...


I didn't know, but I know I would like.

I also expect I could dig and find where to create the mapping, but a
quick tip on where to go for that would be much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

Janina

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> > On Dec 9, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> > Hi all,
> > I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
> > I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one 
> > built in 2011 and 2021.
> > In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
> > can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
> > jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
> > the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
> > set to show no lines under settings.
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Re: Mac Mail

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Move to the splitter just to the rite of the message list and interact with it. 
 Now vo rite till you hear 100% and stop interacting.  Ow if you vo to the rite 
you should hear the preview pain is gone.  HTH.

Matthew



> On Dec 9, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> thanks for the reply. How do I close the preview pain? I tried cmd W but that 
> didn’t work.
> Thanks again.
> Max. 
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2022, at 11:35 pm, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> If you close the mail, preview pane, then the VO J will jump between the 
>> toolbar the mailbox list and the list of messages.
>> 
>> You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
>> mailboxes. Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
>>> I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one 
>>> built in 2011 and 2021.
>>> In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
>>> can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
>>> jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
>>> the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
>>> set to show no lines under settings.
>>> How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
>>> Thanks for any help,.
>>> Max.
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Re: Mac Mail

[Agent086b]

Hi,
thanks for the reply. How do I close the preview pain? I tried cmd W but that 
didn’t work.
Thanks again.
Max. 

> On 9 Dec 2022, at 11:35 pm, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> If you close the mail, preview pane, then the VO J will jump between the 
> toolbar the mailbox list and the list of messages.
> 
> You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
> mailboxes. Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
>> I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one 
>> built in 2011 and 2021.
>> In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
>> can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
>> jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
>> the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
>> set to show no lines under settings.
>> How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
>> Thanks for any help,.
>> Max.
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Re: Mac Mail

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

If you close the mail, preview pane, then the VO J will jump between the 
toolbar the mailbox list and the list of messages.

 You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
mailboxes. Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
> I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one built 
> in 2011 and 2021.
> In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
> can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
> jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
> the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
> set to show no lines under settings.
> How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
> Thanks for any help,.
> Max.
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Re: Mac Mail

[Dave Carlson]

Max,

Not sure if it will help, but in the View menu there should be something like 
classic mode, or column mode. Maybe this will help.

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On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi all,
I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one built 
in 2011 and 2021.
In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I can 
be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to jump 
back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be the open 
message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail set to show 
no lines under settings.
How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
Thanks for any help,.
Max.

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Mac Mail

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one built 
in 2011 and 2021.
In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I can 
be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to jump 
back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be the open 
message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail set to show 
no lines under settings.
How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
Thanks for any help,.
Max.

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Re: How to access on my Mac mail boxes in Monterery Monterery 12.6

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Actually command 1 brings you to your first favorite mailbox which is usually 
“All Inboxes”. A more reliable way right now is to use the Item Chooser.
Press VO-I for the item chooser and then type “my” this should reduce the item 
chooser to just those items that have the word “my” and the first of those for 
me was “On My Mac”.
Now press enter to select the item in the item chooser.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:26 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
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> Hi Paul,
> 
> Try typing Command-1. That should bring you to the  list of  your  mailboxes. 
> If somehow it brings you to your list of messages, use VO-J to get back to 
> the mailboxes. Once in the list,  try typing the first couple of letters  for 
> the mailbox you want.. If that doesn’t work, type the letter O. This should 
> bring you to the list of mailboxes under On My Mac.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Janet
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I recently upgraded my 2018 iMac to Mac/OS 12.6. Before upgrading I was able 
>> to see a list of all my mail boxes including those which are only on my Mac. 
>> I used Control+Option+j to move between the list of mail boxes and the mail 
>> items in the selected mail box. Since the upgrade I can no longer see any 
>> mail boxes which are on my Mac, but I can still move mail to these local 
>> mail boxes.
>> How can I now access the 30 or so local mail boxes? Do I somehow need to 
>> rebuild mail and if so how do I do that?
>> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: How to access on my Mac mail boxes in Monterery Monterery 12.6

[Janet Ingber]

Hi Paul,

Try typing Command-1. That should bring you to the  list of  your  mailboxes. 
If somehow it brings you to your list of messages, use VO-J to get back to the 
mailboxes. Once in the list,  try typing the first couple of letters  for the 
mailbox you want.. If that doesn’t work, type the letter O. This should bring 
you to the list of mailboxes under On My Mac.

Hope this helps.

Janet

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I recently upgraded my 2018 iMac to Mac/OS 12.6. Before upgrading I was able 
> to see a list of all my mail boxes including those which are only on my Mac. 
> I used Control+Option+j to move between the list of mail boxes and the mail 
> items in the selected mail box. Since the upgrade I can no longer see any 
> mail boxes which are on my Mac, but I can still move mail to these local mail 
> boxes.
> How can I now access the 30 or so local mail boxes? Do I somehow need to 
> rebuild mail and if so how do I do that?
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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How to access on my Mac mail boxes in Monterery Monterery 12.6

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I recently upgraded my 2018 iMac to Mac/OS 12.6. Before upgrading I was able to 
see a list of all my mail boxes including those which are only on my Mac. I 
used Control+Option+j to move between the list of mail boxes and the mail items 
in the selected mail box. Since the upgrade I can no longer see any mail boxes 
which are on my Mac, but I can still move mail to these local mail boxes.
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

[joseph hudson]

Like I said at a last resort do that.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m hoping to avoid that.  Like all things Microsoft, it was a pain to set it 
> up.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:54 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts 
>> and I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it 
>> back sometimes this works for most issues.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>>> that didn’t work either.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>>>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I’m hoping to avoid that.  Like all things Microsoft, it was a pain to set it 
up.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:54 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts 
> and I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it 
> back sometimes this works for most issues.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>> that didn’t work either.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Done that.  Also shut my Mac down and rebooted it, but still the messages won’t 
go away.
Best,
Donna

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I think it’s a sinking issue. I would tell the account to resink.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 15:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I 
>> also tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but 
>> that didn’t work either.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

[Herbie Allen]

I think it’s a sinking issue. I would tell the account to resink.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 15:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
> tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
> didn’t work either.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

[joseph hudson]

OK try one more thing. And I've had to do this with a couple of my accounts and 
I know it's a pain in the butt but how about removing it and adding it back 
sometimes this works for most issues.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
> tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
> didn’t work either.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
>> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on 
>>> my Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I tried that, but it didn’t work.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.  I also 
tried highlighting the account in the Mailbox list and syncing it, but that 
didn’t work either.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:17 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes 
> the problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on my 
>> Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
>> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
>> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
>> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

[joseph hudson]

Try closing the Mac mail program, and re-opening it. And see if that fixes the 
problem. I have occasionally had this happen with my TWC account.

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error 
> message “The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The 
> specified object could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the 
> necessary properties.”  Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
> Thanks,
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Exchange mail messages that will not delete in Mac mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have a Mac and a PC.  I deleted some messages in my Exchange account on my 
Pc, but they will not delete in Mac Mail.  When I try, I get the error message 
“The message could not be moved to the Mailbox Exchange.  The specified object 
could not be found in the store.  Failed to get the necessary properties.”  
Anyone know how I can get rid of these messages?
Thanks,
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

I expect all the “not responding” messages will go away as Apple developers 
rewrite and replace older user interface components in Mac OS, some of which 
probably date back to the days of the NextStep operating system. So, whenever 
Mail has its user interface rewritten to take advantage of new components, the 
VoiceOver performance issues will probably be eliminated.
That’s my educated guess. I’m confident that the problems are in user interface 
libraries and applications, more than in VoiceOver itself, which is why it will 
take time for old code that wasn’t originally designed with accessibility in 
mind to be superseded by something better.
Interestingly, Apple developers do seem to be rewriting and replacing 
application user interfaces with new code over time. This year, for example, 
it’s the System Preferences application, which is reportedly going to be 
renamed to System Settings, marking a major redesign.

From: 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Friday, 24June, 2022 at 05:01
To: Accessibility Macvisionaries Groups 
Subject: Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please
Hi Lorie, yes I get the repeating ‘mail not responding’ message frequently. Ron.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 09:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>
> I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
> "Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
>
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
>
>
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>>
>> Later…
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>>>>>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>>>>>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>>>>>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>>>>>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>>>>>> voiceover does not see any link to click.
>>>>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>>>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>>>>>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>>>>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>>>>> archives.
>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>>>>>>
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lorie, yes I get the repeating ‘mail not responding’ message frequently. Ron.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 09:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
> "Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave, it does sound like that is the case, but restarting the mail and 
laptop etc gives the same result while other messages load okay,thanks Rom.




> On 24 Jun 2022, at 02:48, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jürgen, if I fwd I get the same message  of no content on mac mail but also 
on  my Iphone now for this particular message, thanks Ron.


On 23 Jun 2022, at 19:12, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> What about forwarding it to your self? 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 23.06.2022 um 19:57 schrieb 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
>> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later... 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>>>>>>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to 
>>>>>>> enter the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by 
>>>>>>> a sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>>>>>>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>>>>>>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>>>>>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>>>>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>>>>>>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>>>>>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>>>>>> archives.
>>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

I know that's not the case with me but I get a different message. mine says: 
"Mail not responding." it's worse than Safari.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Dave Carlson]

Sounds to me like you don’t have a connection to your service provider.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 23, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

yes. I've noticed this. I open mail as soon as I wake up my computer and leave 
it open all day. things work better that way.

> On Jun 23, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Jürgen Fleger]

What about forwarding it to your self? 


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 23.06.2022 um 19:57 schrieb 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.


> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>> sometimes it never loads.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
 
 Later... 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
> Iphone then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
> archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just while 
it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message content seems 
to take a bit to get all organized.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
> sometimes it never loads.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>>> 
>>> Later... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
 mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
 mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
 person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
 content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover 
 does not see any link to click. 
 I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
 selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
 then the message is there to read.
 I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
 archives.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
sometimes it never loads.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover 
>>> does not see any link to click. 
>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>>> then the message is there to read.
>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>> archives.
>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
>>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lorie, thanks for the reply but unfortunately that didn’t work for me. Ron.



> On 22 Jun 2022, at 22:15, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've 
> been experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once 
> when I open the mail will load the message content often.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.


> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've been 
experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once when I 
open the mail will load the message content often.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download content” 
> and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see 
> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 

 Later... 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download content” 
> and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see 
> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the mail 
area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted person that 
there is a link saying something like “click to download content” and if 
clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see any link 
to click. 
I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone then 
the message is there to read.
I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.

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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Tim for the info, Ron.


> On 2 Jun 2022, at 16:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Ron,
> 
> As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
> service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no 
> idea.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my 
>> Aol, Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable 
>> under system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to 
>> the  edit server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
>> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
>> accounts? Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” 
>>> part of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things 
>>> but improve security of your accounts.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in 
>>> any Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the 
>>> selected SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server 
>>>> settings, with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to 
>>>> edit, but have disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last 
>>>> updated a mail password. It would seem some others have had the same 
>>>> problem but the majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting 
>>>> an account and re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and 
>>>> waiting for mac mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long 
>>>> processes if you regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t 
>>>> understand is the sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming 
>>>>> and Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings 
>>>>> pane of mail Prefs.
>>>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is 
>>>>> entered properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you 
>>>>> that the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  
>>>>> Once you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, 
>>>>> it is fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn >>> <mailto:kilbur...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>>>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>>>> of mail Prefs.
>>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>>>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
>>>> the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
>>>> you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
>>>> fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>>>> in Internet accounts.
>>>> 
>>>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>>>> an account when simply changing a password.
>>>> 
>>>> Later…
>>>

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>>>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>>>> of mail Prefs.
>>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>>>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
>>>> the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
>>>> you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
>>>> fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>>>> in Internet accounts.
>>>> 
>>>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>>>> an account when simply changing a password.
>>>> 
>>>> Later…
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail accounts? 
Ron.


> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has been 
> gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet 
> Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part of 
> things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
> improve security of your accounts.
> 
> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail 
>> promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>> 
>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>>> of mail Prefs.
>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
>>> the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
>>> you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
>>> fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>>> in Internet accounts.
>>> 
>>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>>> an account when simply changing a password.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
>>>> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>>>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>>>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>>>> example. Ron.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>>>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The 
>>

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has been 
gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet 
Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part of things.  
Security is much more complicated and the use of security certificates and such 
negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but improve security of your 
accounts.

I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings are 
affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts still 
allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail Prefs.  
You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any Mail 
account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected SMTP 
server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail password. 
> It would seem some others have had the same problem but the majority not. 
> Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and re-adding, 
> changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail promp to 
> enter correct password. These are all long processes if you regulary update 
> passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the sudden 
> disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>> 
>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>> of mail Prefs.
>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
>> are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be 
>> triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google password 
>> is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet 
>> Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is 
>> incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the 
>> correct password in the private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it 
>> needs fixed.
>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>> in Internet accounts.
>> 
>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>> an account when simply changing a password.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
>>> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>>> example. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts 
>>>> tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic 
>>>> reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just 
>>>> reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
>>>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences 
>>>> because it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is 
>>>> essentially a more secure version of the application password you have 
>>>> been using.
>>>> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
>>>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the 
>>>> Google password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail password. 
It would seem some others have had the same problem but the majority not. Yes, 
there are work arounds such as deleting an account and re-adding, changing 
password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail promp to enter correct 
password. These are all long processes if you regulary update passwords for 
each account. What I can’t understand is the sudden disappearance of the sever 
settings. Ron.


> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
> 
> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane of 
> mail Prefs.
> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
> are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be 
> triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google password is 
> no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet 
> Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is 
> incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the 
> correct password in the private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it 
> needs fixed.
> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password in 
> Internet accounts.
> 
> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, an 
> account when simply changing a password.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
>> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>> example. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts 
>>> tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic 
>>> reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just 
>>> reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
>>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
>>> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a 
>>> more secure version of the application password you have been using.
>>> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
>>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
>>> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
>>> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
>>> viewing and editing.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>>>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting 
>>>> ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password 
>>>> for one of the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each 
>>>>> of my accounts. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

Ron,

I think you are concerning yourself with something that really is no big deal.
If you change your email password, through your provider’s website, the Mac 
Mail app will prompt you to enter the new password

- Brad -



On May 31, 2022, at 01:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in the 
last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and subsequently 
adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this is a long way 
around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
> settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In 
> fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information 
> from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
> secure version of the application password you have been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
> viewing and editing.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
>> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
>> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>>> my accounts. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go 
>>>>  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
>>>> again, no server settings are shown!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
>>>>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>>>>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
>>>>> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
>>>>> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one 
>>>>> of them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>>>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>>>>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>>>>> idea’s? 
>>>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>>>>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that anything 
has changed over the past few weeks.

• for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane of 
mail Prefs.
• iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
• as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, 
are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will be triggered 
whenever you use something that notices that the Google password is no longer 
valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in 
a browser.  Google will tell you that the password is incorrect and give you 
the opportunity to fix it.  Once you’ve entered the correct password in the 
private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
• for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password in 
Internet accounts.

Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, an 
account when simply changing a password.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in 
> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this 
> is a long way around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
>> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in 
>> Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. 
>> In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting 
>> information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
>> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
>> secure version of the application password you have been using.
>> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
>> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
>> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
>> viewing and editing.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting 
>>> ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password 
>>> for one of the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each 
>>>> of my accounts. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I 
>>>>> go  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
>>>>> again, no server settings are shown!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>>>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
>>>>>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  
>>>>>> Gmail account server settings only to find they are no longer visable.

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in the 
last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and subsequently 
adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but this is a long way 
around a change of password  for each account for example. Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
> has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
> settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In 
> fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information 
> from the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because 
> it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
> secure version of the application password you have been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google 
> password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and 
> calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services for 
> viewing and editing.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
>> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
>> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>>> my accounts. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go 
>>>>  to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings 
>>>> again, no server settings are shown!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, 
>>>>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>>>>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
>>>>> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
>>>>> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one 
>>>>> of them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>>>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>>>>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>>>>> idea’s? 
>>>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>>>>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

My system is the same.  Only my Outlook.com <http://outlook.com/> email account 
allows me to do anything other than change the outgoing SMTP server. 
It has been this way for years, and I am not concerned about it.
- Brad -



On May 30, 2022, at 16:40, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks Brad for the suggestion, I can’t see how it can be anything to do with 
my mail provider though as I have acounts from  several different mail 
providers and the server settings have gone for all of them. except for outlook?
If I interact wih the outgoing mail account list and choose edit smtp server  
list the table shows the outlook account details only and no others. Ron. 
-confused



> On 30 May 2022, at 17:11, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account settings 
has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts tab in Mail 
settings is there for some   specialized purposes and historic reasons. In fat, 
it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just reflecting information from 
the Internet Settings of System Preferences.
For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences because it 
creates a secure certificate for the computer which is essentially a more 
secure version of the application password you have been using.
After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will launch 
a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the Google password. 
Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts and calendar can 
applications can link to the equivalent Google services for viewing and editing.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
> settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of 
> the  accounts.Thanks Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet 
>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of 
>> my accounts. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
>>> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
>>> no server settings are shown!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate 
>>>> the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>>>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
>>>> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
>>>> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of 
>>>> them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>>>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>>>> idea’s? 
>>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>>>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>>>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Brad for the suggestion, I can’t see how it can be anything to do with 
my mail provider though as I have acounts from  several different mail 
providers and the server settings have gone for all of them. except for outlook?
If I interact wih the outgoing mail account list and choose edit smtp server  
list the table shows the outlook account details only and no others. Ron. 
-confused



> On 30 May 2022, at 17:11, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously 
changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting ’server 
settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password for one of the 
 accounts.Thanks Ron.


> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet Accounts, 
> but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of my 
> accounts. 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
>> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
>> no server settings are shown!
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate 
>>> the account, and enter the necessary information.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact 
>>> all the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook 
>>> account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of 
>>> them and it was straight forward. Looking online
>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>>> idea’s? 
>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

I suggest contacting your email provider for technical support.

- Brad -



On May 30, 2022, at 03:32, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  to 
the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, no 
server settings are shown!


> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
> account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it 
> was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
> unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[John Panarese]

  Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail 
preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet Accounts, 
but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each of my accounts. 


> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  
> to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, 
> no server settings are shown!
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
>> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
>> account, and enter the necessary information.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
>> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
>> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
>> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and 
>> it was straight forward. Looking online
>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have 
>> been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any 
>> idea’s? 
>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
>> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc.  and as soon as I go  to 
the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server settings again, no 
server settings are shown!
 

> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
> the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
> account, and enter the necessary information.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
> account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
> the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. 
> They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it 
> was straight forward. Looking online
> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
> unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be 
> appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Ron.
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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

[Brad Snyder]

My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and delete 
the account, or accounts, that are having an issue.  Then, recreate the 
account, and enter the necessary information.  

- Brad -



On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail  Gmail 
account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. In fact all 
the mail account server settings have gone except for  an Outlook account. They 
were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the password on one of them and it was 
straight forward. Looking online
 there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I have been 
unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone have any idea’s? 
I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be appreciated. 
Many thanks in advance, Ron.

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Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

[Jonathan Cohn]

Oh, in addition to what Tim says, the "On my Mac" is not a Smart Mailbox, but a 
account that allows fully local storage. 
It should be expandable too.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 25, 2022, at 16:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Smart Mailboxes and On My Mac have been in Mail for quite a while.  Overall, 
> you should not need to worry about them when dealing with your issue.  You 
> will notice that both the Smart Mailboxes and On My Mac are expandable, and 
> therefore, collapsable.  Just VO-space on the expanded item to collapse it so 
> it is not in your way to cause confusion.  When you’ve interacted with the 
> Mailboxes table, press VO-FN-left to move to the first item in the table.  
> The first item will be the Favourites.  If it is collapsed, use VO-space to 
> expand it.  Once expanded, you can VO navigate through the items to see what 
> order they are in, and to see what items reside in the Favourites.  Note that 
> the Favourites item should be expanded so that the cmd-1, cmd-2 etc shortcuts 
> work.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 14:11, Pete De Vasto > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I’m trying to sort all this out, but I’m on Monterey version 12.3, and 
>> there’s definitely something different now about the way mailbox lists are 
>> presented. Apparently there are now smart mailboxes, one for “today”, one 
>> for “On My Mac”, and maybe others. I’m now researching documentation to see 
>> if I can get to the bottom of all this.
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> After interacting with the "Favourites, Add button” item, VO-right to the 
>>> Add button then VO-space to activate.  A new dialog should pop up.  If you 
>>> VO-right throughout the dialog, there will be a menu item, a Cancel button, 
>>> an OK button, a title graphic as well as a title heading.  The menu item is 
>>> the thing you need to VO-space on.  The choices should include all 
>>> Mailboxes and folders that already exist in your configuration as well as 
>>> the over-arching ones such as All InBoxes, All Trashes etc.  The All 
>>> InBoxes should be one of the top-most items to select from.  Once selected, 
>>> press VO-space or press return to make the selection.  Next, either 
>>> navigate to the OK button and VO-space on it or just press return as it is 
>>> the default action.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:10, >>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> >>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites 
>>>> Add Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All 
>>>> Mailboxes” item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the 
>>>> list that VO identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.
>>>> If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around 
>>>> because I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.
>>>> Thanks again for the help,
>>>> Pete
>>>>  
>>>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey
>>>>  
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  
>>>> The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in 
>>>> your Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go 
>>>> under the View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press 
>>>> cmd-option-shift-h to toggle it visible or not.
>>>>  
>>>> Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate 
>

Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Smart Mailboxes and On My Mac have been in Mail for quite a while.  Overall, 
you should not need to worry about them when dealing with your issue.  You will 
notice that both the Smart Mailboxes and On My Mac are expandable, and 
therefore, collapsable.  Just VO-space on the expanded item to collapse it so 
it is not in your way to cause confusion.  When you’ve interacted with the 
Mailboxes table, press VO-FN-left to move to the first item in the table.  The 
first item will be the Favourites.  If it is collapsed, use VO-space to expand 
it.  Once expanded, you can VO navigate through the items to see what order 
they are in, and to see what items reside in the Favourites.  Note that the 
Favourites item should be expanded so that the cmd-1, cmd-2 etc shortcuts work.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 14:11, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I’m trying to sort all this out, but I’m on Monterey version 12.3, and 
> there’s definitely something different now about the way mailbox lists are 
> presented. Apparently there are now smart mailboxes, one for “today”, one for 
> “On My Mac”, and maybe others. I’m now researching documentation to see if I 
> can get to the bottom of all this.
> Pete
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After interacting with the "Favourites, Add button” item, VO-right to the 
>> Add button then VO-space to activate.  A new dialog should pop up.  If you 
>> VO-right throughout the dialog, there will be a menu item, a Cancel button, 
>> an OK button, a title graphic as well as a title heading.  The menu item is 
>> the thing you need to VO-space on.  The choices should include all Mailboxes 
>> and folders that already exist in your configuration as well as the 
>> over-arching ones such as All InBoxes, All Trashes etc.  The All InBoxes 
>> should be one of the top-most items to select from.  Once selected, press 
>> VO-space or press return to make the selection.  Next, either navigate to 
>> the OK button and VO-space on it or just press return as it is the default 
>> action.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:10, >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites Add 
>>> Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All 
>>> Mailboxes” item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the list 
>>> that VO identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.
>>> If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around 
>>> because I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.
>>> Thanks again for the help,
>>> Pete
>>>  
>>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in 
>>> your Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go 
>>> under the View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press 
>>> cmd-option-shift-h to toggle it visible or not.
>>>  
>>> Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate 
>>> across to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not 
>>> see the All InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is 
>>> easy.  Locate the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not 
>>> visible, press cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with 
>>> the Mailboxes list, and the first item in this list should be announced as 
>>> “Favourites, Add button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to 
>>> the Add button and VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  
>>> Once it has been re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever 
>>> it landed to the first 

Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Tim,
I’m trying to sort all this out, but I’m on Monterey version 12.3, and there’s 
definitely something different now about the way mailbox lists are presented. 
Apparently there are now smart mailboxes, one for “today”, one for “On My Mac”, 
and maybe others. I’m now researching documentation to see if I can get to the 
bottom of all this.
Pete

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After interacting with the "Favourites, Add button” item, VO-right to the Add 
> button then VO-space to activate.  A new dialog should pop up.  If you 
> VO-right throughout the dialog, there will be a menu item, a Cancel button, 
> an OK button, a title graphic as well as a title heading.  The menu item is 
> the thing you need to VO-space on.  The choices should include all Mailboxes 
> and folders that already exist in your configuration as well as the 
> over-arching ones such as All InBoxes, All Trashes etc.  The All InBoxes 
> should be one of the top-most items to select from.  Once selected, press 
> VO-space or press return to make the selection.  Next, either navigate to the 
> OK button and VO-space on it or just press return as it is the default action.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:10, > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites Add 
>> Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All 
>> Mailboxes” item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the list 
>> that VO identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.
>> If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around 
>> because I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.
>> Thanks again for the help,
>> Pete
>>  
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in your 
>> Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go under the 
>> View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press cmd-option-shift-h to 
>> toggle it visible or not.
>>  
>> Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate 
>> across to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not 
>> see the All InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is 
>> easy.  Locate the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not 
>> visible, press cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with 
>> the Mailboxes list, and the first item in this list should be announced as 
>> “Favourites, Add button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to 
>> the Add button and VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  
>> Once it has been re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever it 
>> landed to the first position.  The first position is cmd-1, the second 
>> positioned item is cmd-2 and so on.
>>  
>> If you need assistance with the drag & drop process, let me know.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 10:04, >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I’d get 
>>> the “All Inboxes” option where I could see combined mail from my two 
>>> accounts. This morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts 
>>> folder instead, and the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes 
>>> table. Do I remember right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to 
>>> the Mailbox list table, and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I’ve 
>>> tried looking this issue up, but all I’ve seen so far is the all Mailboxes 
>>> selection disappearing from Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native Mac 
>>> Mai

Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

After interacting with the "Favourites, Add button” item, VO-right to the Add 
button then VO-space to activate.  A new dialog should pop up.  If you VO-right 
throughout the dialog, there will be a menu item, a Cancel button, an OK 
button, a title graphic as well as a title heading.  The menu item is the thing 
you need to VO-space on.  The choices should include all Mailboxes and folders 
that already exist in your configuration as well as the over-arching ones such 
as All InBoxes, All Trashes etc.  The All InBoxes should be one of the top-most 
items to select from.  Once selected, press VO-space or press return to make 
the selection.  Next, either navigate to the OK button and VO-space on it or 
just press return as it is the default action.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:10,   
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites Add 
> Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All 
> Mailboxes” item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the list 
> that VO identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.
> If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around 
> because I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.
> Thanks again for the help,
> Pete
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey
>  
> Hi,
>  
> The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in your 
> Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go under the 
> View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press cmd-option-shift-h to toggle 
> it visible or not.
>  
> Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate across 
> to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not see the 
> All InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is easy.  
> Locate the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not visible, 
> press cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with the 
> Mailboxes list, and the first item in this list should be announced as 
> “Favourites, Add button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to 
> the Add button and VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  
> Once it has been re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever it 
> landed to the first position.  The first position is cmd-1, the second 
> positioned item is cmd-2 and so on.
>  
> If you need assistance with the drag & drop process, let me know.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 10:04, > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi everyone,
>> Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I’d get the 
>> “All Inboxes” option where I could see combined mail from my two accounts. 
>> This morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts folder 
>> instead, and the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes table. 
>> Do I remember right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to the 
>> Mailbox list table, and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I’ve 
>> tried looking this issue up, but all I’ve seen so far is the all Mailboxes 
>> selection disappearing from Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native Mac 
>> Mail.
>> I hope I’m explaining my situation correctly, and also that someone can give 
>> me an idea on how to get All Inboxes back, if possible.
>> Thanks so much for any help,
>> Pete De Vasto
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RE: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

[pdevasto0219]

Thanks for this, Tim, very helpful. I was able to get to the “Favorites Add 
Button”, but when I interacted with it, I could not locate the “All Mailboxes” 
item anywhere. There was one item at the very bottom of the list that VO 
identified as an “empty cell”, but that was it.

If I can in fact get this back into my favorites bar, I’ll look around because 
I thought I had a write-up on drag and drop.

Thanks again for the help,

Pete

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

 

Hi,

 

The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in your 
Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go under the 
View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press cmd-option-shift-h to toggle 
it visible or not.

 

Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate across 
to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not see the All 
InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is easy.  Locate 
the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not visible, press 
cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with the Mailboxes 
list, and the first item in this list should be announced as “Favourites, Add 
button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to the Add button and 
VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  Once it has been 
re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever it landed to the first 
position.  The first position is cmd-1, the second positioned item is cmd-2 and 
so on.

 

If you need assistance with the drag & drop process, let me know.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Mar 24, 2022, at 10:04, mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com> > mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I’d get the 
“All Inboxes” option where I could see combined mail from my two accounts. This 
morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts folder instead, and 
the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes table. Do I remember 
right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to the Mailbox list table, 
and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I’ve tried looking this issue 
up, but all I’ve seen so far is the all Mailboxes selection disappearing from 
Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native Mac Mail.

I hope I’m explaining my situation correctly, and also that someone can give me 
an idea on how to get All Inboxes back, if possible.

Thanks so much for any help,

Pete De Vasto

 

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Re: Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The cmd-1, cmd-2 etc keyboard shortcuts relate to the order of items in your 
Favourites bar.  If your Favourites bar is not visible, either go under the 
View menu and select “Show Favourites”, or press cmd-option-shift-h to toggle 
it visible or not.

Once the Favourites bar is visible, then interact with it and navigate across 
to see the order of items within the Favourites bar.  If you do not see the All 
InBoxes item, then it was somehow removed.  Getting it back is easy.  Locate 
the Mailboxes list on the main screen of Mail.  If it’s not visible, press 
cmd-shift-m to make it visible.  Once visible, interact with the Mailboxes 
list, and the first item in this list should be announced as “Favourites, Add 
button”,  Interact with this item, then navigate right to the Add button and 
VO-space on it.  You can add the All InBoxes from here.  Once it has been 
re-added, you may need to drag and drop it from wherever it landed to the first 
position.  The first position is cmd-1, the second positioned item is cmd-2 and 
so on.

If you need assistance with the drag & drop process, let me know.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 24, 2022, at 10:04,   
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I’d get the 
> “All Inboxes” option where I could see combined mail from my two accounts. 
> This morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts folder 
> instead, and the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes table. 
> Do I remember right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to the 
> Mailbox list table, and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I’ve tried 
> looking this issue up, but all I’ve seen so far is the all Mailboxes 
> selection disappearing from Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native Mac Mail.
> I hope I’m explaining my situation correctly, and also that someone can give 
> me an idea on how to get All Inboxes back, if possible.
> Thanks so much for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
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Lost My "All Inboxes" option In Mac Mail Mac OS Monterey

[pdevasto0219]

Hi everyone,

Up until yesterday, I was able to do Command+1 when in Mail, and I'd get the
"All Inboxes" option where I could see combined mail from my two accounts.
This morning, however, Command+1 is taking me to my All Drafts folder
instead, and the All Inboxes selection is no longer in the Mailboxes table.
Do I remember right there is a toolbar type listing in addition to the
Mailbox list table, and the All Inboxes selection was in that bar? I've
tried looking this issue up, but all I've seen so far is the all Mailboxes
selection disappearing from Outlook Mail for the Mac, not the native Mac
Mail.

I hope I'm explaining my situation correctly, and also that someone can give
me an idea on how to get All Inboxes back, if possible.

Thanks so much for any help,

Pete De Vasto

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Re: Ability to search for specific recipient broken in Mac Mail?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It still works for me.  The times it does jump around though is when something 
with that letter does not appear in the list of messages.  So, if I was sitting 
on the top-most message in the table, press the letter “d”, it will take me to 
the top most item with the sender starting with the letter “d”.  If there is 
not one in my table, then I haven’t figured out why it sends me to the one it 
sends me to.

Alternatively, you can use the Search feature in the Toolbar.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Mar 13, 2022, at 10:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> It used to be that when I typed the first letters of a recipient name, when 
> in the sent mail folder, I would be taken to the next mail sent to that 
> person.  But now, when I type a recipient’s name, I seem to be taken to very 
> random results that have nothing to do with what I’m searching for.  Is there 
> any way to fix this?  I have an urgent need to find a specific message.  
> Running latest upgrade to Big Sur, but this has been going on for a while.
> Thank you,
> Donna
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Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

[joseph hudson]

If you go to the mailboxes table and arrow down after you interacted with the 
mailboxes table. Find the account that you want to see the sent folder for. 
Then whenever you come across that account, arrow down until it says sent. Then 
stop interacting, and then arrow right back into the messages table with VO 
right arrow

> On Mar 12, 2022, at 11:08 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Thanks much, Joseph.
> When I go to mailbox table, I see only the Inboxes of my four accounts but 
> not Sent Box.
> Thanks!
>  
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> Hello, yes if you go into the mailboxes table, and then just simply arrow 
> down, you will see all the different folders you have. And there's also a 
> sent folder for each account.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi, Group.
>> Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
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>> Thanks!
>>  
>> Sincerely yours.
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Ability to search for specific recipient broken in Mac Mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

It used to be that when I typed the first letters of a recipient name, when in 
the sent mail folder, I would be taken to the next mail sent to that person.  
But now, when I type a recipient’s name, I seem to be taken to very random 
results that have nothing to do with what I’m searching for.  Is there any way 
to fix this?  I have an urgent need to find a specific message.  Running latest 
upgrade to Big Sur, but this has been going on for a while.
Thank you,
Donna

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Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Each account will have its own sent folder but there’s also the “all sent” 
folder which you can find in the list of all your mailboxes.  I simply start 
typing all sent & I get taken to the box.  Then vo+rightt a couple of times and 
you should be in the list of all sent messages.  Once voiceover has focus on 
“all sent” folder, you can also search for messages through the search box in 
the toolbar.  

Andrew

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> Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
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> Thanks!
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RE: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks again, Joseph.

This time I found Sent Folder.

Thanks much for your help.

 

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Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

 

Hello, yes if you go into the mailboxes table, and then just simply arrow down, 
you will see all the different folders you have. And there's also a sent folder 
for each account.





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Hi, Group.

Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
access that folder, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Joseph.

When I go to mailbox table, I see only the Inboxes of my four accounts but not 
Sent Box.

Thanks!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 8:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

 

Hello, yes if you go into the mailboxes table, and then just simply arrow down, 
you will see all the different folders you have. And there's also a sent folder 
for each account.





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Hi, Group.

Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
access that folder, please?

Thanks!

 

Sincerely yours.

 

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Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

[joseph hudson]

Hello, yes if you go into the mailboxes table, and then just simply arrow down, 
you will see all the different folders you have. And there's also a sent folder 
for each account.

> On Mar 12, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
> access that folder, please?
> Thanks!
>  
> Sincerely yours.
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Sent Folder in Mac mail?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I
access that folder, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Mac mail

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Candy,
I am using BigSur and I doubt the problems you are having are related to the 
OS. I will leave this one to the experts to assist you further.
Best,

Les

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:48 AM, Candie B  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Kliph.
>  
> Thanks so much for answering my query. I’m still trying to get it to work. It 
> seems like my MBA is not recognising the cursor commands, because random 
> announcements will be heard as I’m trying to use them. I saw that elusive 
> ‘Add’ button once, but it just disappeared again. I’ll keep trying, though. 
> Smiles.
> I’ve tried the commands, both using the fn key, along with the number row 
> keys, and the function keys at the top. Neither seems to work reliably, and 
> the keyboard help doesn’t even announce their functions.
> Has much changed in Big Sur, or is it something I’m not doing properly?
>  
> Thanks again.
>  
> Candie
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: 12 July 2021 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac mail
>  
> This is a tricky one.  Take your vo cursor and put it at the top of 
> favorites, then make sure your cursor is rooted to that spot, turn cursor 
> tracking off, then interact with favorites add button, this is where you 
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> menu, select the mailbox you want, and you should be good to go.
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> On Jul 11, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Candie B  <mailto:quietdreamer1...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>  
> I apologise if this has been covered; I’ve done a search with little luck.
>  
> Recently, due to some problems I started having with settings on my MBA, I 
> decided to update, and all my mail settings, including extra mailboxes, 
> favourites, and smart mailboxes have disappeared. I managed to get the 
> regular mailboxes back, and I’ll restore the favourites manually. How, 
> though, can I get my ‘all junk’, all bin’, and ‘all drafts’ back? I’ve read 
> several forums, and they say something about hovering the mouse over the 
> favourites bar and clicking ‘add’, but I cannot figure out exactly how to do 
> that.
>  
> Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Regards,
> Candie
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RE: Mac mail

[Candie B]

Hi, Kliph.

Thanks so much for answering my query. I'm still trying to get it to work. It 
seems like my MBA is not recognising the cursor commands, because random 
announcements will be heard as I'm trying to use them. I saw that elusive 'Add' 
button once, but it just disappeared again. I'll keep trying, though. Smiles.
I've tried the commands, both using the fn key, along with the number row keys, 
and the function keys at the top. Neither seems to work reliably, and the 
keyboard help doesn't even announce their functions.
Has much changed in Big Sur, or is it something I'm not doing properly?

Thanks again.

Candie


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: 12 July 2021 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac mail

This is a tricky one.  Take your vo cursor and put it at the top of favorites, 
then make sure your cursor is rooted to that spot, turn cursor tracking off, 
then interact with favorites add button, this is where you should get the 
dialog that you can add a mailbox and. It should be a pop up menu, select the 
mailbox you want, and you should be good to go.

Follow my Podcast 
Channel<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fchannel%2Fsturitup-coast2coast%2Fid6442517757=04%7C01%7C%7C495e6bdf65fe4757d29308d94525afb6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637616850446009666%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=IkvNWEDS7bDqY8w2v%2FlALRvs8ZnLkht%2BTCxk4u0DMMA%3D=0>
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  to be entertained on demand!


On Jul 11, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Candie B 
mailto:quietdreamer1...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I apologise if this has been covered; I've done a search with little luck.

Recently, due to some problems I started having with settings on my MBA, I 
decided to update, and all my mail settings, including extra mailboxes, 
favourites, and smart mailboxes have disappeared. I managed to get the regular 
mailboxes back, and I'll restore the favourites manually. How, though, can I 
get my 'all junk', all bin', and 'all drafts' back? I've read several forums, 
and they say something about hovering the mouse over the favourites bar and 
clicking 'add', but I cannot figure out exactly how to do that.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Regards,
Candie


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