Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t see how this would be any different from using a Time Machine backup.
You would still be using an update from an Intel-based Mac, to restore/setup a 
M1 Mac.
No matter how you go about it, the 2 systems are completely different.
In my opinion this would be asking for trouble, but you are welcome to do 
whatever you wish.

- Brad -


On Jul 21, 2021, at 06:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Just a question.
Would programs like superDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner help if you migrate to an 
m1 Mac?
/A

> 21 juli 2021 kl. 01:11 skrev Agent086b  <mailto:agent0...@internode.on.net>>:
> 
> Hi,
> how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
> Thanks for any tips.
> Max. 
> 
>> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
>> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the 
>> backup, in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a 
>> hard drive failure.
>> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
>> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
>> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
>> 
>> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
>> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
>> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
>> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way 
>> to proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
>> recovery.
>> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I 
>> may backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
>> 
>> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
>> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
>> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
>> would be misguided.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi”
>>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Alia,
>>>> 
>>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which 
>>>> pretty much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that 
>>>> this is a known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using 
>>>> Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>>> Just my $.02,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Just a question.
Would programs like superDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner help if you migrate to an 
m1 Mac?
/A

> 21 juli 2021 kl. 01:11 skrev Agent086b :
> 
> Hi,
> how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
> Thanks for any tips.
> Max. 
> 
>> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
>> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the 
>> backup, in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a 
>> hard drive failure.
>> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
>> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
>> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
>> 
>> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
>> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
>> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
>> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way 
>> to proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
>> recovery.
>> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I 
>> may backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
>> 
>> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
>> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
>> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
>> would be misguided.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi”
>>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Alia,
>>>> 
>>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which 
>>>> pretty much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that 
>>>> this is a known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using 
>>>> Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>>> Just my $.02,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Well, I store most of my data in iCloud and/or Dropbox.  For data that is on my 
Mac mini, such as my iTunes Music library, I copy my User/Home folder to an 
external USB drive, then import it onto the new Mac.
My Mac mini is my primary Mac.  I do not keep music or other archived data on 
my MacBook Pro.  When using the MacBook Pro, I rely on iCloud and music from 
cloud sharing.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 18:11, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Agent086b]

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[ilovecountrymusic483]

In my opion, I would just set things up as new, then copy over what you want  
after setting things up.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

right, I knew it was you this happened to. I’m not the best at any of this to 
begin with and my husband does IT on windows, so has no clue.

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I’ve seen issues where file names have been too long and had to be shortened.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30,   
wrote:

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.
I have no idea how those drives are formatted.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
>>>>

RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Good to know.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.

The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.

It worked great.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.
I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.
The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.
It worked great.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Well,
Thanks for the tips.
I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.
 

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18,   
wrote:

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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&

RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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[Brad Snyder]

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a backup 
made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, in the 
event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive failure.
Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
should not be done as a matter of practice. 

It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from scratch, 
and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the new Mac has 
been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time consuming and less 
convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to proceed, as I am 
sure Donna will agree.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



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the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I'm glad.
I found it much easier to create an account on the Mac because my iPhone was 
already in the cloud.
Setting up the Mac this way was easier than Windows.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
>>>> 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>>> 
>>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I used migration assistant moving from an Intel MacBook Pro to an M1 MacBook 
Pro and did not experience any issues.

Matthew


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Since you are most likely migrating from an older Intel-based Mac, to a new 
> M1 Mac, you should be aware that the 2 systems are very different and not 
> compatible.
> A couple of users on this list have tried using a Time Machine backup from 
> their older Intel-based Mac, to setup their new M1 Mac, and the results were 
> devastating.  In both of these cases, the new M1 Mac was rendered unusable,, 
> and had to be returned to Apple.
> 
> Transferring your data and applications using the Migration assistant may be 
> a safer option to consider.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

The M1 Macs are the future.
Conflicts between the old and new are to be expected.

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On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A

> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A

> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>> 
>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Since you are most likely migrating from an older Intel-based Mac, to a new M1 
Mac, you should be aware that the 2 systems are very different and not 
compatible.
A couple of users on this list have tried using a Time Machine backup from 
their older Intel-based Mac, to setup their new M1 Mac, and the results were 
devastating.  In both of these cases, the new M1 Mac was rendered unusable,, 
and had to be returned to Apple.

Transferring your data and applications using the Migration assistant may be a 
safer option to consider.

HTH.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 08:19, alia robinson  wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[alia robinson]

right, I knew it was you this happened to. I’m not the best at any of this to 
begin with and my husband does IT on windows, so has no clue.

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
> 
> alia
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