RE: Why use a TrackPad?
Agreed! I'd be so happy if my macbook pro had a numpad. When I was first considering a macbook purchase, I was originally planning to get a 17 inch model. Thank God I went to an apple store first and saw that the keyboard on the 13 inch and 17 inch models was essentially identical: no numpad. I wouldn't mind slightly smaller keys if they could give us a numpad, or at least the six-pack that is on PC keyboards: insert, delete, home, end, pageup and pagedown. I did buy a separate numpad, which is supposedly Apple brand, but it doesn't seem to work very well. Either that or I just don't fully understand how to make use of the numpad commander. Anyway, I have the numpad and intend to make use of it if/when I ever set up VM fusion and am running windows. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why use a TrackPad? Hi David, In my opinion, because the small apple keyboard lacks the control key on the right side, it makes typing certain vo key combinations, such as the commonly used voa, or vo f, kind of a pain.I suppose one could use the keyboard commander and the right option key plus letters on the left hand to accomplish these things, or purchase a numeric keypad and use the num pad commander. But if you have an macbook pro already, you have a track pad. So I'm not sure why you'd want to buy another one. I think a numeric keypad would greatly enhance the MBP, since it would open up the full range of num pad commander keys to you. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, How is the track pad useful on the web? Does it let you read smaller chunks of text? I find that sometimes voice over reads chunks that are too big, especially if I want to read by line. I hate to ask it this way, because I don't wanto to compare voice over to anything else, but would the track pad navigation provide anything similar to a Jaws cursor? *don't kill me, I'm still new) Thanks, Naama On 26 Jul 2011, at 01:09, Dan wrote: Hello, I have a trackpad for my iMac and I also have an iPod Touch 4th generation. The biggest difference between the multi gesture trackpad and the touch screen on an iOS device is that all functions are done directly on the screen of the iOS device, except where the home button is used. On the Mac, the track pad is used in conjunction with the booster keys on the keyboard, Shift, Control, Option and such. While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. You cannot use the trackpad to do actual virtual keyboard entry, as you do on the iOS devices. While I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard to use with my iPod Touch, I usually use the touch screen instead. I only use the keyboard when I'm going to be dewing lots of typing on the Touch. Hope this gives a little more insight. Dan On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Dan wrote: While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. In what way? What can you do with it that you can't do on the keyboard? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, Actually the trackpad interface is pretty different. I find it really useful for skipping around a screen but still use the keyboard for an awful lot of things. On 25 Jul 2011, at 23:59, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm considering using the trackpad much more, as it would better simulate with Lion the layout of IOS4. With the keyboard I find myself having to press the keys to interact with objects. It would be nice to simply tap in the mail message preview area and read it, instead of using VO-shift-down-arrow twice to get there. If Lion is going to simulate the OS on IPods and IPhones, I figure I may as well use something similar to a touchscreen. Teresa On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi: Actually, the trackpad and commander are pretty amazingly useful. A good friend of mine mapped out a lot of the keyboard commands, linking them with gestures. And the result is the ability to do with one hand many of the things that take 6 fingers on the keyboard. I use it so much that I don't know what came with the original setup of gestures, and which are the invented one.:) One of my face things to do wht the trackpad is continuous read. Then just turn it off when doing any serious typing. Take care Carolyn On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:15 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
I can tell you that numpad commandor is truly wonderful, and I am so glad I invested in a full keyboard. I know it's not that practical for mac book users so much, but if you're going to have an external device, you may want to consider it. Thanks, Naama On 26 Jul 2011, at 10:12, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed! I'd be so happy if my macbook pro had a numpad. When I was first considering a macbook purchase, I was originally planning to get a 17 inch model. Thank God I went to an apple store first and saw that the keyboard on the 13 inch and 17 inch models was essentially identical: no numpad. I wouldn't mind slightly smaller keys if they could give us a numpad, or at least the six-pack that is on PC keyboards: insert, delete, home, end, pageup and pagedown. I did buy a separate numpad, which is supposedly Apple brand, but it doesn't seem to work very well. Either that or I just don't fully understand how to make use of the numpad commander. Anyway, I have the numpad and intend to make use of it if/when I ever set up VM fusion and am running windows. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why use a TrackPad? Hi David, In my opinion, because the small apple keyboard lacks the control key on the right side, it makes typing certain vo key combinations, such as the commonly used voa, or vo f, kind of a pain.I suppose one could use the keyboard commander and the right option key plus letters on the left hand to accomplish these things, or purchase a numeric keypad and use the num pad commander. But if you have an macbook pro already, you have a track pad. So I'm not sure why you'd want to buy another one. I think a numeric keypad would greatly enhance the MBP, since it would open up the full range of num pad commander keys to you. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, I have a magic trackpad and use it sometimes, however, unlike on IOs devices, i don't trust the trackpad for some stupid, unlogical reason. It should be like working with an IDevice, which i can do with no problems, but for some reason i feel the track pad gestures aren't enough and i don't trust them to do what i want them to do. As i say, there's no reason to feel like i do about this. It's probably because i haven't got enough info about it, haven't learned it at all. I would love to learn it and be efficient on it though. I really wish there was a tutorial on working the various aspects of MacOS using the track pad. /Krister 25 jul 2011 kl. 23:15 skrev erik burggraaf: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi there, I think I have commented on this quite some time ago. I bought the trackpad and figured at $69.00 I would take the chance. I have found it confusing to say the least. I find that I don't have a sense of where I am on the screen. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi Geoff:It really comes down to what you need, and how you prefer to navigate. The beauty of this whole system is it's built-in flexibility, and the choices it affords. Unfortunately, this also makes learning the system more difficult sometimes. Kind of like too many differing kinds of toothpaste each of which does essentially the same thing.:) Some people like to use trackpad, some numbed, some just prefer a pc. (sorry for them.:) I'd have to say, unless you just want to play with another option for navigating, there's no need to add a trackpad to your configuration. JMO. Carolyn, On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:56 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Why use a TrackPad?
I'm with you on this. I prefer using the keyboard. My macbook pro has a track pad, and I've attempted to use it from time to time just to see if I could learn the jestures, but so far, I haven't had much luck. My logic was that if I could teach myself the trackpad, I might eventually be able to learn an Ios device. I'll be interested to see what kinds of answers you get to this question, that's for sure! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Shang Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Why use a TrackPad? Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hello, I have a trackpad for my iMac and I also have an iPod Touch 4th generation. The biggest difference between the multi gesture trackpad and the touch screen on an iOS device is that all functions are done directly on the screen of the iOS device, except where the home button is used. On the Mac, the track pad is used in conjunction with the booster keys on the keyboard, Shift, Control, Option and such. While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. You cannot use the trackpad to do actual virtual keyboard entry, as you do on the iOS devices. While I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard to use with my iPod Touch, I usually use the touch screen instead. I only use the keyboard when I'm going to be dewing lots of typing on the Touch. Hope this gives a little more insight. Dan On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi: Actually, the trackpad and commander are pretty amazingly useful. A good friend of mine mapped out a lot of the keyboard commands, linking them with gestures. And the result is the ability to do with one hand many of the things that take 6 fingers on the keyboard. I use it so much that I don't know what came with the original setup of gestures, and which are the invented one.:) One of my face things to do wht the trackpad is continuous read. Then just turn it off when doing any serious typing. Take care Carolyn On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:15 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
I'm considering using the trackpad much more, as it would better simulate with Lion the layout of IOS4. With the keyboard I find myself having to press the keys to interact with objects. It would be nice to simply tap in the mail message preview area and read it, instead of using VO-shift-down-arrow twice to get there. If Lion is going to simulate the OS on IPods and IPhones, I figure I may as well use something similar to a touchscreen. Teresa On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi: Actually, the trackpad and commander are pretty amazingly useful. A good friend of mine mapped out a lot of the keyboard commands, linking them with gestures. And the result is the ability to do with one hand many of the things that take 6 fingers on the keyboard. I use it so much that I don't know what came with the original setup of gestures, and which are the invented one.:) One of my face things to do wht the trackpad is continuous read. Then just turn it off when doing any serious typing. Take care Carolyn On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:15 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
I'm one of the folks who got the magic track pad but hasn't used it that much. Carolin, I'm intrigued by your description of your friend's mapping of keyboard commands and how you use these a lot, preferring them to multiple key commands on the keyboard. I am going to guess you're using one of the annoying Apple keyboards that lacks a full set of control command and option keys on both sides of the space bar; thus you can't do for example, vo plus A to continuously read without doing contortions with your left hand. The loss of one lousy key on the right side, plus the loss of the numeric keypad really seem to make the track pad commander more necessary on laptops. I'm not sorry I got the track pad, because in those instances where you need to click a physical mouse, as in on some websites for example, I find it easier to use than the traditional mouse. But for voice over, it really hasn't proven all that useful, as I don't see any reason to take my hands off the keyboard. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi: Personally, I love it. I have a lot of issues with my wrist, and find it a lot easier to navigate with the trackpad. On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Mary, Are you saying that if a person is using the little keyboard without the number pad or a laptop keyboard that the Trackpad is a much easier way to go? I am considering buying the pad also, and this would make a big difference to me since I am using a MacBook Pro. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Why use a TrackPad? I'm one of the folks who got the magic track pad but hasn't used it that much. Carolin, I'm intrigued by your description of your friend's mapping of keyboard commands and how you use these a lot, preferring them to multiple key commands on the keyboard. I am going to guess you're using one of the annoying Apple keyboards that lacks a full set of control command and option keys on both sides of the space bar; thus you can't do for example, vo plus A to continuously read without doing contortions with your left hand. The loss of one lousy key on the right side, plus the loss of the numeric keypad really seem to make the track pad commander more necessary on laptops. I'm not sorry I got the track pad, because in those instances where you need to click a physical mouse, as in on some websites for example, I find it easier to use than the traditional mouse. But for voice over, it really hasn't proven all that useful, as I don't see any reason to take my hands off the keyboard. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi David, In my opinion, because the small apple keyboard lacks the control key on the right side, it makes typing certain vo key combinations, such as the commonly used voa, or vo f, kind of a pain.I suppose one could use the keyboard commander and the right option key plus letters on the left hand to accomplish these things, or purchase a numeric keypad and use the num pad commander. But if you have an macbook pro already, you have a track pad. So I'm not sure why you'd want to buy another one. I think a numeric keypad would greatly enhance the MBP, since it would open up the full range of num pad commander keys to you. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
