Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anne Robertson]

;>>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a 
>>>>>>>> citrix managed desktop for students 
>>>>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>>>>> and cloud based services.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>>>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>>>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>>>>>> high school.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware 
>>>>>>>> and tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS 
>>>>>>>> doesn’t change as much as the windows environments
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>>>>>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am 
>>>>>>>> getting ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they 
>>>>>>>> thought I was asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told 
>>>>>>>> them that jaws would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would 
>>>>>>>> equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with it.
>>>>>>>> Nancy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>>>>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from 
>>>>>>>> my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>>>>>>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on 
>>>>>>>>> was primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to 
>>>>>>>>> try and get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time 
>>>>>>>>> was in bed with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much 
>>>>>>>>> exclusively.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very 
>>>>>>>>>> simple.  At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are 
>>>>>>>>>> fairly large rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the 
>>>>>>>>>> Leopard or Lion days but more recently the integration has been very 
>>>>>>>>>> good.  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they 
>>>>>>>>>> are out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic 
>>>>>>>>>> PCs may well be the least expensive way to go.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, but there's another option to have QuickNav on automatically.  I'm 
guessing he's got that turned on some how.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Screen nav should be able to be set on or off by pressing your left and right 
> arrows simultaneously.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
> On 6/20/16, 7:54 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
> behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Saqib,
> 
> It sounds like you have quicknav set to always be on.  I'm not sure how to 
> fix this because I've never used that feature, but someone on this list will 
> know.  If you turn that off, your typing problem should be solved.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Yes that was my mistake as I  used to forget to interact with lists or 
>> tables  i'm still having trouble interacting with the App Store as it 
>> doesn't always work and I have to tab into the   apps area  I still have to 
>> turn voice-over off to put password in because when I press F it thinks I'm 
>> trying to jump to a forms Field area or the find  option pops up  I have 
>> quicknav turned  off
>> 
>>> On 19 Jun 2016, at 20:07, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 
>>> Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
>>> Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
>>> Command key.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but 
>>> one thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used 
>>> most often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to 
>>> know how to do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  
>>> It made things a lot easier.
>>> 
>>> Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
>>> forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
>>> might be something to keep in mind.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more 
>>>> episodes of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping 
>>>> me going.  I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of 
>>>> podcasts every other day and this means I don't get too much information 
>>>> at one time
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my 
>>>>> first Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just 
>>>>> wanted to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just 
>>>>> clicked, and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You 
>>>>> really will get it, it just takes time.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>>>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>>>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>>>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and 
>>>>>> all the commands that I have to  remember  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>>>>> managed desktop for students 
>>>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Screen nav should be able to be set on or off by pressing your left and right 
arrows simultaneously.

Hope that helps.


On 6/20/16, 7:54 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf 
of doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Saqib,

It sounds like you have quicknav set to always be on.  I'm not sure how to fix 
this because I've never used that feature, but someone on this list will know.  
If you turn that off, your typing problem should be solved.
Best,
Donna
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. Yes that was my mistake as I  used to forget to interact with lists or 
> tables  i'm still having trouble interacting with the App Store as it doesn't 
> always work and I have to tab into the   apps area  I still have to turn 
> voice-over off to put password in because when I press F it thinks I'm trying 
> to jump to a forms Field area or the find  option pops up  I have quicknav 
> turned  off
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2016, at 20:07, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 
>> Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
>> Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
>> Command key.
>> 
>> I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but 
>> one thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used 
>> most often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to 
>> know how to do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  It 
>> made things a lot easier.
>> 
>> Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
>> forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
>> might be something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more 
>>> episodes of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping 
>>> me going.  I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of 
>>> podcasts every other day and this means I don't get too much information at 
>>> one time
>>> 
>>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>> 
>>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my 
>>>> first Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just 
>>>> wanted to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just 
>>>> clicked, and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really 
>>>> will get it, it just takes time.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>>>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>>>> managed desktop for students 
>>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>>> and cloud based services.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>>>> high school.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>>>>> tear as well as keeping up to date wi

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Saqib,

It sounds like you have quicknav set to always be on.  I'm not sure how to fix 
this because I've never used that feature, but someone on this list will know.  
If you turn that off, your typing problem should be solved.
Best,
Donna
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. Yes that was my mistake as I  used to forget to interact with lists or 
> tables  i'm still having trouble interacting with the App Store as it doesn't 
> always work and I have to tab into the   apps area  I still have to turn 
> voice-over off to put password in because when I press F it thinks I'm trying 
> to jump to a forms Field area or the find  option pops up  I have quicknav 
> turned  off
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2016, at 20:07, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 
>> Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
>> Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
>> Command key.
>> 
>> I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but 
>> one thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used 
>> most often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to 
>> know how to do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  It 
>> made things a lot easier.
>> 
>> Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
>> forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
>> might be something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more 
>>> episodes of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping 
>>> me going.  I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of 
>>> podcasts every other day and this means I don't get too much information at 
>>> one time
>>> 
>>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Saqib,
>>>> 
>>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my 
>>>> first Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just 
>>>> wanted to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just 
>>>> clicked, and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really 
>>>> will get it, it just takes time.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>>>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>>>> managed desktop for students 
>>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>>> and cloud based services.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>>>> high school.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>>>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>>>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>>>>> possibly bec

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Yes that was my mistake as I  used to forget to interact with lists or 
tables  i'm still having trouble interacting with the App Store as it doesn't 
always work and I have to tab into the   apps area  I still have to turn 
voice-over off to put password in because when I press F it thinks I'm trying 
to jump to a forms Field area or the find  option pops up  I have quicknav 
turned  off

> On 19 Jun 2016, at 20:07, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Saqib,
> 
> Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
> Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
> Command key.
> 
> I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but one 
> thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used most 
> often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to know how 
> to do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  It made 
> things a lot easier.
> 
> Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
> forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
> might be something to keep in mind.
> 
> Good luck!
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
>> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
>> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
>> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time  
>>   
>> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 
>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted 
>>> to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, 
>>> and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get 
>>> it, it just takes time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>>> managed desktop for students 
>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>> and cloud based services.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>>> high school.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>>>> ready to start a new job, and when I aske

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I do have an app written in AppleScript that will hide the preview pain. I 
believe I have this up on my Dropbox, but I am not sure.

Take care,

Jonathan



> On 19 Jun 2016, at 11:39, matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview pain 
> in mail.  As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the bottom of 
> the screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track pad very often 
> this is a pain.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
>> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
>> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
>> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time
>> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 
>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted 
>>> to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, 
>>> and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get 
>>> it, it just takes time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>>> the commands that I have to  remember
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
>>>>> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>>> managed desktop for students
>>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
>>>>> and cloud based services.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>>> high school.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>>>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>>>>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
>>>>> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a 
>>>>> Mac. Then they were OK with it.
>>>>> Nancy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>>>>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Saqib,

Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
Command key.

I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but one 
thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used most 
often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to know how to 
do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  It made things a 
lot easier.

Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
might be something to keep in mind.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time   
>  
> 
>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 
>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
>> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
>> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, 
>> it just takes time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>>> 
>>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>>>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>>> 
>>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>>> 
>>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>>> managed desktop for students 
>>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>>>> cloud based services.
>>>> 
>>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
>>>> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
>>>> high school.
>>>> 
>>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>>> 
>>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> Donna,
>>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>>>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
>>>> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a 
>>>> Mac. Then they were OK with it.
>>>> Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>>>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview 
pain in mail.  As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the 
bottom of the screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track 
pad very often this is a pain.



Matthew




On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:

Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes of 
the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  I'm 
going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts every 
other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time


On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Saqib,

Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first Mac 
in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to throw 
it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and now I 
wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it just 
takes time.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands that 
I have to  remember


On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going for 
windows machines over macs due to price.

I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,

We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix managed 
desktop for students
And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
cloud based services.

Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high school.

We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear as 
well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as much 
as the windows environments

Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, possibly 
because they do great deals for educational fascilities

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Donna,
I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting ready 
to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was asking for 
something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would cost close to 
$1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with 
it.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone 
with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows nearly as 
much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually large 
active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, almost 
all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe oth

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi Sean. Thanks for offering to help. I have taken note of your email address 
and will get back to you for help and advice off the list  

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 21:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Well Saqib, I along with others offer one on one training for people that 
> would like to learn the Mac. I can do it through Skype or FaceTime and if you 
> can't pay for my services, that's ok. I currently train a person in her mid 
> 40s and she has learned pretty much everything under my tutelage. So if she 
> learned it, you can too. Don't give up. My contact info is below if you're 
> interested and to everyone else, sorry if you think I'm trying to advertise 
> on list. That's not my intension.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Saqib
> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes of 
the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  I'm 
going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts every 
other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Saqib,
> 
> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it 
> just takes time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>> 
>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>> 
>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>> managed desktop for students 
>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>>> cloud based services.
>>> 
>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>>> school.
>>> 
>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>> 
>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
>>> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. 
>>> Then they were OK with it.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed 
>>>> with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
>>>>> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
>>>>> well be the least expensive way to go.

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Saqib,

I’m a bit like you however since losing my sight at 22 yrs  I’ve lernt to use 
computers from windows 95 through to windows  10 plus server 2008 and now 
looking at server 2016.
I”ve since turning 40 learrnt to us e the mac, iPhone,iPad and other such 
systems
You get out of it what you put in and although it’s hard work a lot of the time 
 it’s a great feeling once you have learnt what you can to find you can now 
work things yourself without assistance.

None of us know everything but between us all we can help- each other,

Just keep playing and take up the likes of shaun for assistance if it’s offered

Good luck and keep working on the learning.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Well Saqib, I along with others offer one on one training for people that would 
like to learn the Mac. I can do it through Skype or FaceTime and if you can't 
pay for my services, that's ok. I currently train a person in her mid 40s and 
she has learned pretty much everything under my tutelage. So if she learned it, 
you can too. Don't give up. My contact info is below if you're interested and 
to everyone else, sorry if you think I'm trying to advertise on list. That's 
not my intension.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>

On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Saqib

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Agent086b]

Hi,
as has been said it is difficult to learn a new operating system. I was well 
into my Sixties when I switched to a Mac. I made the decision to not use 
Windows whilst changing to the Mac. By doing this I only had to concentrate on 
the Mac only. Although it was difficult for a time, thanks to the help on this 
list I would not go back. I started about 3.5 years ago on the mac.
All the best.
Max.

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 6:29 PM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
> make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
> weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
> eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands 
> that I have to  remember  
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>> 
>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>> 
>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>> managed desktop for students 
>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>> cloud based services.
>> 
>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>> school.
>> 
>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
>> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
>> much as the windows environments
>> 
>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
>> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
>> they were OK with it.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>> 
>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well 
>>>> be the least expensive way to go.
>>>> 
>>>>  Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end 
>>>> clients laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing 
>>>> Macs everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide 
>>>> use of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing 
>>>> because they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I was 37 when i got my mac mini mid 2011.
I had issues with it in half a year or so but then i began more and more to use 
it.
/A
> On 18 Jun 2016, at 14:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Saqib,
> 
> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it 
> just takes time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>> 
>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>> 
>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>> managed desktop for students 
>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>>> cloud based services.
>>> 
>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>>> school.
>>> 
>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>> 
>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
>>> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. 
>>> Then they were OK with it.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed 
>>>> with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
>>>>> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
>>>>> well be the least expensive way to go.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the ad

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Well Saqib, I along with others offer one on one training for people that would 
like to learn the Mac. I can do it through Skype or FaceTime and if you can't 
pay for my services, that's ok. I currently train a person in her mid 40s and 
she has learned pretty much everything under my tutelage. So if she learned it, 
you can too. Don't give up. My contact info is below if you're interested and 
to everyone else, sorry if you think I'm trying to advertise on list. That's 
not my intension.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Saqib

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Kevin Chao]

I absolutely agree to recommendation of Chromebook. The rewrite to
ChromeVOx (Next) is absolutely wonderful.
I've been using ChromeVox Next on chromeOS M53 on a Pixel 2 as my primary
machine. FOr web app interaction, it's far better than what I've
experienced on Windows and Mac screen readers.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:30 AM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

> Hey Chris,
>
>  For a simple computer option what about the Chrome Book?
>
>  It's a cheap option here in NZ
> Tell them to have a look at them.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 4:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk
> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are many
> more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids elementary
> school last night where they were going to help fund buying
> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs
> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them in
> an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all the apps
> installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes that little
> kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls before swine?
> You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the
> school cafeteria either. For those who have thought about it and get to
> choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> > No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
> >
> > Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has
> persisted.  Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the
> Apple 2 architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember
> being a wee sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working
> random odd family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the
> setup I wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did
> with my Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever
> thought it was a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice
> synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem
> and the FBI would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The
> point is, that was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between
> the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the great built in language
> (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on the
> openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise again
> although I’m not betting on it.
> >   I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very
> small Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded,
> friendly, unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.
> Funny how opposite the two Steves were.
> >
> > I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will
> persist on the notebook side.
> >
> > I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how
> many are out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people
> on Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson
> International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were
> Mac shops not by choice but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops
> especially I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your right.
> The cool enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if
> there will be a day where terminal isn’t included with the Mac.  I believe
> that would be the day I go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
> >>
> >> Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work,
> if Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a
> proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were
> instead committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a
> workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users
> (including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter
> on OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele (
> awesome name :) ) sums it up very well:
> >>
> >>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Kevin Chao]

THe object recognition result in great accessibility labels (photo
descriptiosn for VoiceOver)

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
wrote:

> The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by
> Apple on their own preview site including the powerful new object
> recognition, are all publicly documented on Apple’s own pages.  You can
> follow them from various pro-Apple places, and don’t have to be logged in
> with a membership.
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Kevin Chao]

+1 to Siri being great when it comes to wolfram alpha, but outside
this...It has room for improvement for more AI
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:45 PM Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>
>
> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
> >your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
> >not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
> >---
> >Christopher Gilland
> >JAWS Certified, 2016.
> >Training Instructor.
> >
> >clgillan...@gmail.com
> >Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
> >To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
> >Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> >
> >
> >One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
> >trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I
> do
> >find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
> >
> >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <
> kris...@kristersplace.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
> won’t
> >> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
> >> /Krister
> >>
> >>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
> >>>
> >>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
> >>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
> voice
> >>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
> enjoying
> >>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
> >>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
> it’s
> >>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
> >>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind
> >>> built-in
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Kevin Chao]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:33 AM Ray Foret jr 
wrote:

> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out

Yes, Siri on Sierra is great. I was surprised to find that "Hey Siri" is
not available and that it's required to opt-in to FN+SPACEBAR keyboard
shortcut.


> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice

Yes, but it's not possible to use ALex for Siri or use SIri voice for
VoiceOVer.


> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their
> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard
> to get much of an impression from a demo

Beta 1 is available and I've been testing and using it. THe privacy + a11y
of Siri is great.

meant for the light dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[John Panarese]

   This is not surprising. I think we tend to forget how any learning can be as 
a challenge to us at times. As we get older, there is this psychological belief 
that our wisdom and experience should imply that we learn things faster. 
Remember what learning Windows was like back in the day? That was no easy task 
for many blind people.

Just keep at it and learn it in small pieces. Stay task specific and you 
really have to spend the time focusing on one thing at a time. If you treat it 
as a hobby, you will not gain any ground. If you make a serious commitment and 
keep it simple in the beginning, you will find that your forty year old brain 
will get it. I was 38 when Tiger and VoiceOver was available on the Mac and 
that was not easy experience for me back then. 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Jun 18, 2016, at 4:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
> make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
> weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
> eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands 
> that I have to  remember  
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>> 
>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>> 
>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>> managed desktop for students 
>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>> cloud based services.
>> 
>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>> school.
>> 
>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
>> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
>> much as the windows environments
>> 
>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
>> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
>> they were OK with it.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>> 
>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well 
>>>> be the least expensive way to go.
>&

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Saqib,

Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first Mac 
in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to throw 
it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and now I 
wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it just 
takes time.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
> make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
> weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
> eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands 
> that I have to  remember  
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>> 
>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>> 
>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>> managed desktop for students 
>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>> cloud based services.
>> 
>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>> school.
>> 
>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
>> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
>> much as the windows environments
>> 
>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
>> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
>> they were OK with it.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>> 
>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well 
>>>> be the least expensive way to go.
>>>> 
>>>>  Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end 
>>>> clients laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing 
>>>> Macs everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide 
>>>> use of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing 
>>>> because they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuf

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[David Chittenden]

Yes, this is what it is always like to learn a new system. It was just as 
difficult to initially learn Windows. We tend to forget how difficult the prior 
learning was.

Because I use an iPhone, I focused on trackpad commands first. I also 
concentrated on knowing interacting. Finally, I focused on learning how command 
is similar to, and differs from, alt in Windows. After about a month of focused 
use, things started coming together.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 20:29, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
> make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
> weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
> eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands 
> that I have to  remember  
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>> 
>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>> 
>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>> managed desktop for students 
>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>> cloud based services.
>> 
>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>> school.
>> 
>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
>> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
>> much as the windows environments
>> 
>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
>> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
>> they were OK with it.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>>> 
>>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well 
>>>> be the least expensive way to go.
>>>> 
>>>>  Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end 
>>>> clients laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing 
>>>> Macs everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide 
>>>> use of macs when we were having the discussio

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands that 
I have to  remember  

> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
> for windows machines over macs due to price.
> 
> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
> 
> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
> managed desktop for students 
> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
> cloud based services.
> 
> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high school.
> 
>  We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
> much as the windows environments
> 
> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Donna,
> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
> they were OK with it.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>> 
>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>>> the least expensive way to go.
>>> 
>>>   Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use 
>>> of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because 
>>> they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>>> 
>>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>>> for the employees.
>>> 
>>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>>> 
>>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there 
>>> are many more all-Windows shops. I wa

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes Macs use OD rather than AD, 
Or you can get your os server to pass LDAP authentication through to a AD 
controller.

 As for exchange that's bloody easy now for a mac to intergrate with 
Mac mail and outlook 2011 or 2016 sync with exchange using E W S, exchange web 
services,
 Which has some issues  but still pretty bloody good.

 It works in similar ways to active sync which is used between exchange and 
mobile devices.
I can only assume that with sierra things will again become more streamlined 
with Microsoft enterprise based systems such as exchange and sharepoint etc.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 5:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Yeah, basically, the part you need for Windows integration is OS X Server, 
which performs authentication for AD on behalf of Mac users that log in and 
need Mac services, especially the Profile Manager to manage clients.  You use 
Profile Manager to push out configuration changes, or like I said, some 
centralised third-party service.  However, services themselves should be run 
under Linux and/or Windows, because they really aren’t flexible and/or robust 
enough under OS X Server (particularly notable is that SMB support is still 
very flaky).  We no longer have the capacity to run an NT domain so there is an 
expectation that if you run Mac in your Windows network you will end up using a 
Windows server to provide many of your services, including Exchange.

Summary: if you have a first-party integration solution, you need a Mac, but 
Windows is still giving you better support of Macs than OS X Server itself does 
for certain services.  Some people think (and I agree with them) that Apple 
should make OS X virtualise on Xen/KVM/HyperV, and with background in mind you 
can see why.

More info on the AD+OD arrangement:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-how-to-configure-a-golden-triangle/

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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hell,

You guys are way ahead of us, we have one jaws licence and that's about 10 
versions behind,

 I have my own licence which I paid for years ago and update every couple of 
years with my SMA
Otherwise our management don't care about the blind or VI students and or staff 
we have.

 And no one other than myself wish to fight this.

 I hate discrimination.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Nancy,

I tried to make the same argument here.  The computer lab run  by DSS does now 
have a Mac thanks to me, but since the university already owned multiple 
licenses for JAWS, the cost-savings argument never got much traction.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
> they were OK with it.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from 
> my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>> 
>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>>> the least expensive way to go.
>>> 
>>>   Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use 
>>> of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because 
>>> they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>>> 
>>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>>> for the employees.
>>> 
>>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>>> 
>>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there 
>>> are many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my 
>>> kids elementary school last night where they were going to help fund 
>>> buying
>>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be 
>>> Macs but I also understand how painful it would be to 
>>> integrate/support them in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they 
>>> were $400 a pop with all the apps installed. For generic web surfing 
>>> and wordprocessing boxes that little kids are going to beat up, do 
>>> you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't find wood 
>>> fired chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria 
>>> either. For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a 
>>> compelling solution.
>

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going for 
windows machines over macs due to price.

 I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,

We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix managed 
desktop for students 
And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
cloud based services.

 Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high school.

  We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear 
as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as 
much as the windows environments

Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, possibly 
because they do great deals for educational fascilities 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Donna,
I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting ready 
to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was asking for 
something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would cost close to 
$1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with 
it.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone 
with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
> them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
> big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
>> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts. 
>>  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
>> recently the integration has been very good.  
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>> the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>>Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of 
>> macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they 
>> are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>> 
>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>> for the employees.
>> 
>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>> 
>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there 
>> are many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my 
>> kids elementary school last night where they were going to help fund 
>> buying
>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be 
>> Macs but I also understand how painful it would be to 
>> integrate/support them in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they 
>> were $400 a pop with all the apps installed. For generic web surfing 
>> and wordprocessing boxes that little kids are going to beat up, do 
>> you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't find wood fired 
>> chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. 
>> For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a 
>> compelling solution.
>&g

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Welcome to organic conversational threads. Same thing happens when 
chatting around a dinner table. The topic veers of and sometimes I 
wonder how we got there from where we started. In any case, I was just 
replying back to the content of Scott's previous message, not the 
subject. Hope you found it interesting if not illuminating.


CB

On 6/16/16 1:17 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

As the originator of this thread, I wonder what in the name of sanity this has 
got to do with macOS Siera?  Answer, not a single thing.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I used to do enterprise computing stuff back in the day but it was an all Mac 
shop with a few islands of Windows. I don't think there is a lot of work to 
integrate the two but in an all Windows shop any little thing that goes wrong 
is probably going to get blamed on the Mac. I've certainly run into it helping 
other Mac users trying top open Microsoft Word files and other snags. A few 
months ago I was helping somebody who was trying to open a form in Pages 
created by somebody else in Word on Windows. The Windows user had chosen a 
custom font and then found some invalid characters, which show up as squares in 
Word, to make checkboxes. When that file was opened in Pages the checkboxes 
were now some other symbol. Of course that was all the Mac's fault according to 
the person making the file. Once I figured out what was actually going on I had 
to teach the Windows users how to make actual checkboxes in Word so their 
documents would work on the Mac (and eventually as PDFS). If it had been an 
all-PC shop they would have been oblivious to their hacks being non-portable. 
In a school these kinds of issues would go on and on. Teachers have been 
trained by the county on how to operate Windows, access shares, print to 
printers, log attendance etc. Just like VoiceOver on the Mac is a whole 
different thing, any teachers switching to Macs, or Chromebooks, would have to 
re-learn everything and the couldn't call the central help desk for anything 
because they won't support non-Windows stuff. It's the standard technology 
lock-in playbook and I just don't have the bandwidth to buck it. I'm probably 
not telling you anything you haven't heard before.

CB

On 6/15/16 12:39 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually 
large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, 
almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example that 
Microsoft has the federal market cornered.

On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
 wrote:

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are
many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids
elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs
but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them
in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all
the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes
that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls
before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta
ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought
about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.

CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sweden is mostly harmless imho.
/A
> On 16 Jun 2016, at 14:03, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, but Siri in Sweden is for some reason very limited in what it can do 
> for us. I don’t think we can get sports scores, and i know we can’t get what 
> movies are playing if it’s not so that i make a syntax error of some kind but 
> i doubt it i’m afraid. I don’t know if we can book tables on restaurants, a 
> thing i very much doubt. That’s the really tragic thing about Apple these 
> days. The features they present nowadays aren’t worldwide, they are mostly 
> anglocentric and maybe also available in countries like Germany, France, 
> Italy and the other countries ”that count”. Sweden is like earth is described 
> in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, ”a small insignificant planet in the 
> western spiral arm of the galaxy”. By that i mean that Sweden’s not a planet, 
> but it’s small and insignificant, thus no cool and/or useful features for us.
> /Krister
> 
>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 11:21 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> I find it hard to believe that the Swedish siri is dummer than the 
>> austrailian or American siri versions?
>> 
>> The Swedish are pretty dam smart people 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:48 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Hi!
>> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
>>  do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
>> /A
>>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'm confused
>>> 
>>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in 
>>> swedan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>>> Just curious.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>>> /A
>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts 
>>>> of stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, 
>>>>> and your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect 
>>>>> those who may not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly 
>>>>> isn’t trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their 
&

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, basically, the part you need for Windows integration is OS X Server, 
which performs authentication for AD on behalf of Mac users that log in and 
need Mac services, especially the Profile Manager to manage clients.  You use 
Profile Manager to push out configuration changes, or like I said, some 
centralised third-party service.  However, services themselves should be run 
under Linux and/or Windows, because they really aren’t flexible and/or robust 
enough under OS X Server (particularly notable is that SMB support is still 
very flaky).  We no longer have the capacity to run an NT domain so there is an 
expectation that if you run Mac in your Windows network you will end up using a 
Windows server to provide many of your services, including Exchange.

Summary: if you have a first-party integration solution, you need a Mac, but 
Windows is still giving you better support of Macs than OS X Server itself does 
for certain services.  Some people think (and I agree with them) that Apple 
should make OS X virtualise on Xen/KVM/HyperV, and with background in mind you 
can see why.

More info on the AD+OD arrangement:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-how-to-configure-a-golden-triangle/

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Ray Foret jr]

As the originator of this thread, I wonder what in the name of sanity this has 
got to do with macOS Siera?  Answer, not a single thing.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to do enterprise computing stuff back in the day but it was an all Mac 
> shop with a few islands of Windows. I don't think there is a lot of work to 
> integrate the two but in an all Windows shop any little thing that goes wrong 
> is probably going to get blamed on the Mac. I've certainly run into it 
> helping other Mac users trying top open Microsoft Word files and other snags. 
> A few months ago I was helping somebody who was trying to open a form in 
> Pages created by somebody else in Word on Windows. The Windows user had 
> chosen a custom font and then found some invalid characters, which show up as 
> squares in Word, to make checkboxes. When that file was opened in Pages the 
> checkboxes were now some other symbol. Of course that was all the Mac's fault 
> according to the person making the file. Once I figured out what was actually 
> going on I had to teach the Windows users how to make actual checkboxes in 
> Word so their documents would work on the Mac (and eventually as PDFS). If it 
> had been an all-PC shop they would have been oblivious to their hacks being 
> non-portable. In a school these kinds of issues would go on and on. Teachers 
> have been trained by the county on how to operate Windows, access shares, 
> print to printers, log attendance etc. Just like VoiceOver on the Mac is a 
> whole different thing, any teachers switching to Macs, or Chromebooks, would 
> have to re-learn everything and the couldn't call the central help desk for 
> anything because they won't support non-Windows stuff. It's the standard 
> technology lock-in playbook and I just don't have the bandwidth to buck it. 
> I'm probably not telling you anything you haven't heard before.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/15/16 12:39 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
>> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts. 
>>  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
>> recently the integration has been very good.
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>> the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>>  Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of 
>> macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they 
>> are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>> 
>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>> for the employees.
>> 
>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>> 
>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk
>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are
>> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids
>> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying
>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs
>> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them
>> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all
>> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes
>> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls
>> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta
>> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought
>> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>>> 
>>> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
>>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
>>> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
>>> 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I used to do enterprise computing stuff back in the day but it was an 
all Mac shop with a few islands of Windows. I don't think there is a lot 
of work to integrate the two but in an all Windows shop any little thing 
that goes wrong is probably going to get blamed on the Mac. I've 
certainly run into it helping other Mac users trying top open Microsoft 
Word files and other snags. A few months ago I was helping somebody who 
was trying to open a form in Pages created by somebody else in Word on 
Windows. The Windows user had chosen a custom font and then found some 
invalid characters, which show up as squares in Word, to make 
checkboxes. When that file was opened in Pages the checkboxes were now 
some other symbol. Of course that was all the Mac's fault according to 
the person making the file. Once I figured out what was actually going 
on I had to teach the Windows users how to make actual checkboxes in 
Word so their documents would work on the Mac (and eventually as PDFS). 
If it had been an all-PC shop they would have been oblivious to their 
hacks being non-portable. In a school these kinds of issues would go on 
and on. Teachers have been trained by the county on how to operate 
Windows, access shares, print to printers, log attendance etc. Just like 
VoiceOver on the Mac is a whole different thing, any teachers switching 
to Macs, or Chromebooks, would have to re-learn everything and the 
couldn't call the central help desk for anything because they won't 
support non-Windows stuff. It's the standard technology lock-in playbook 
and I just don't have the bandwidth to buck it. I'm probably not telling 
you anything you haven't heard before.


CB

On 6/15/16 12:39 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually 
large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, 
almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example that 
Microsoft has the federal market cornered.

On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
 wrote:

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are
many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids
elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs
but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them
in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all
the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes
that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls
before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta
ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought
about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.

CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Nancy,

I tried to make the same argument here.  The computer lab run  by DSS does now 
have a Mac thanks to me, but since the university already owned multiple 
licenses for JAWS, the cost-savings argument never got much traction.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would 
> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then 
> they were OK with it.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
>> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with 
>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>>> 
>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>>> the least expensive way to go.
>>> 
>>>   Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use 
>>> of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because 
>>> they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>>> 
>>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>>> for the employees.
>>> 
>>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>>> 
>>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
>>> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
>>> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
>>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
>>> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
>>> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
>>> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
>>> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
>>> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
>>> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
>>> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
 
 Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted. 
  Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
 architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a 
 wee sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random 
 odd family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I 
 wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my 
 Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it 
 was a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice 
 synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem 
 and the FBI would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The 
 point is, that was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between 
 the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the great built in language 
 (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Nancy Badger]

Donna,
I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting ready 
to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was asking for 
something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would cost close to 
$1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with 
it.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
> them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
> big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
>> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts. 
>>  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
>> recently the integration has been very good.  
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>> the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>>Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of 
>> macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they 
>> are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>> 
>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>> for the employees.
>> 
>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>> 
>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
>> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
>> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
>> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
>> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
>> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
>> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
>> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
>> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
>> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>>> 
>>> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
>>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
>>> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
>>> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
>>> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I 
>>> wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my 
>>> Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was 
>>> a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, 
>>> DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI 
>>> would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, 
>>> that was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves 
>>> for the number of expansion slots, the great built in language (Apple 
>>> Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on the openness side 
>>> and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise again although I’m 
>>> not betting on it.
>>>I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
>>> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
>>> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
>>> opposite the two Steves were.
>>> 
>>> I hope what you say comes 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

A vpn account is certainly worth thinking about, however, i’m not so much 
helped by US specific info here in Sweden, it’s the local things i would have 
wanted. 
Still many thanks.
/Krister

> 16 juni 2016 kl. 15:13 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
> 
> Also remember though your Government is highly highly restrictive and also 
> from what I hear and I’m glad to be corrected but crazy on the taxes side.  
> Again I may be the product of propaganda so I’ll take your word as a citizen 
> over anything I hear on the media.:)
> 
> That being said, I think governments also pose barriers to entry for Apple 
> and other companies.  Don’t know about your country but for example I know 
> some of the Middle Eastern countries are problematic because they want to be 
> able to monitor the communications and don’t want the security features 
> enabled.  Blackberry also ran in to this in the Saudi market.  I believe the 
> US sold them a Naris Systems 6400 to solve that problem.:)
> 
> So it might be apple’s fault but it might be a larger issue.  I’m happy to 
> give out VPN accounts if having a US IP would be of any value to circumvent 
> some of this.
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/16/16, 8:03 AM, "Krister Ekstrom" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
> behalf of kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, but Siri in Sweden is for some reason very limited in what it can do 
> for us. I don’t think we can get sports scores, and i know we can’t get what 
> movies are playing if it’s not so that i make a syntax error of some kind but 
> i doubt it i’m afraid. I don’t know if we can book tables on restaurants, a 
> thing i very much doubt. That’s the really tragic thing about Apple these 
> days. The features they present nowadays aren’t worldwide, they are mostly 
> anglocentric and maybe also available in countries like Germany, France, 
> Italy and the other countries ”that count”. Sweden is like earth is described 
> in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, ”a small insignificant planet in the 
> western spiral arm of the galaxy”. By that i mean that Sweden’s not a planet, 
> but it’s small and insignificant, thus no cool and/or useful features for us.
> /Krister
> 
>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 11:21 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> I find it hard to believe that the Swedish siri is dummer than the 
>> austrailian or American siri versions?
>> 
>> The Swedish are pretty dam smart people 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:48 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> Hi!
>> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
>>  do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
>> /A
>>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'm confused
>>> 
>>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in 
>>> swedan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>>> Just curious.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>>> /A
>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts 
>>>> of stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christo

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

I remember those days, too.  But remember, Higher Ed is being lambasted from 
all directions because of the increases in tuition.  At most universities 
budgets are very tight these days, so that would likely drive them toward the 
less expensive PCs.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s funny, I heard similar things happening with large banks having IBM 
> board members force their products on the banks.
>   I remember a time when Apple had academia wrapped up, especially the 
> grammar and high schools.  I think they used to give schools computers for 
> free.  I know my Son was in high school in San Jose and they gave each 
> student a Macbook Pro.  Granted that might have been geography at work since 
> apple was only down the road about 7 miles.
> 
> 
> On 6/16/16, 9:06 AM, "Donna Goodin"  behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
> them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
> big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
>> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts. 
>>  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
>> recently the integration has been very good.  
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out 
>> of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be 
>> the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>>  Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients 
>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs 
>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of 
>> macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they 
>> are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
>> 
>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
>> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even 
>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs 
>> for the employees.
>> 
>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
>> 
>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
>> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
>> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
>> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
>> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
>> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
>> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
>> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
>> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
>> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>>> 
>>> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
>>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
>>> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
>>> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
>>> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I 
>>> wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my 
>>> Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was 
>>> a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, 
>>> DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI 
>>> would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, 
>>> that was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves 
>>> for the number of expansion slots, the great built in language (Apple 
>>> Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on the openness side 
>>> and so am I 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

That’s funny, I heard similar things happening with large banks having IBM 
board members force their products on the banks.
I remember a time when Apple had academia wrapped up, especially the 
grammar and high schools.  I think they used to give schools computers for 
free.  I know my Son was in high school in San Jose and they gave each student 
a Macbook Pro.  Granted that might have been geography at work since apple was 
only down the road about 7 miles.


On 6/16/16, 9:06 AM, "Donna Goodin"  wrote:

Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
> Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
> recently the integration has been very good.  
> 
> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
> the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
> least expensive way to go.
> 
>   Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually 
> large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, 
> almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
> Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we 
> were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are 
> everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
> 
> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux. 
>  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
> companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for 
> the employees.
> 
> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
> 
> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>> 
>> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
>> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
>> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
>> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I 
>> wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my 
>> Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was 
>> a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, 
>> DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI 
>> would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, that 
>> was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves for the 
>> number of expansion slots, the great built in language (Apple Soft), and on 
>> and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on the openness side and so am I so 
>> I can see your hope that he would rise again although I’m not betting on it.
>>  I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
>> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
>> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
>> opposite the two Steves were.
>> 
>> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
>> the 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Also remember though your Government is highly highly restrictive and also from 
what I hear and I’m glad to be corrected but crazy on the taxes side.  Again I 
may be the product of propaganda so I’ll take your word as a citizen over 
anything I hear on the media.:)

That being said, I think governments also pose barriers to entry for Apple and 
other companies.  Don’t know about your country but for example I know some of 
the Middle Eastern countries are problematic because they want to be able to 
monitor the communications and don’t want the security features enabled.  
Blackberry also ran in to this in the Saudi market.  I believe the US sold them 
a Naris Systems 6400 to solve that problem.:)

So it might be apple’s fault but it might be a larger issue.  I’m happy to give 
out VPN accounts if having a US IP would be of any value to circumvent some of 
this.



On 6/16/16, 8:03 AM, "Krister Ekstrom" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:

Thanks, but Siri in Sweden is for some reason very limited in what it can do 
for us. I don’t think we can get sports scores, and i know we can’t get what 
movies are playing if it’s not so that i make a syntax error of some kind but i 
doubt it i’m afraid. I don’t know if we can book tables on restaurants, a thing 
i very much doubt. That’s the really tragic thing about Apple these days. The 
features they present nowadays aren’t worldwide, they are mostly anglocentric 
and maybe also available in countries like Germany, France, Italy and the other 
countries ”that count”. Sweden is like earth is described in the hitchhikers 
guide to the galaxy, ”a small insignificant planet in the western spiral arm of 
the galaxy”. By that i mean that Sweden’s not a planet, but it’s small and 
insignificant, thus no cool and/or useful features for us.
/Krister

> 16 juni 2016 kl. 11:21 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> I find it hard to believe that the Swedish siri is dummer than the 
> austrailian or American siri versions?
> 
> The Swedish are pretty dam smart people 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to  
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in 
>> swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>> Just curious.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts 
>>> of stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, 
>>>> and your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect 
>>>> those who may not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
> least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
> Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more 
> recently the integration has been very good.  
> 
> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
> the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
> least expensive way to go.
> 
>   Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually 
> large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, 
> almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
> Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we 
> were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are 
> everywhere, at least up here in the North East US.
> 
> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux. 
>  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
> companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for 
> the employees.
> 
> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example 
> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered.
> 
> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
> many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
> elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
> but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
> in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
> the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
> that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
> before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
> ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
> about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>> 
>> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
>> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
>> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
>> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I 
>> wanted.  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my 
>> Apple Cat modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was 
>> a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, 
>> DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI 
>> would not like to thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, that 
>> was solid thinking I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves for the 
>> number of expansion slots, the great built in language (Apple Soft), and on 
>> and on and on.  Woz was definitely more on the openness side and so am I so 
>> I can see your hope that he would rise again although I’m not betting on it.
>>  I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
>> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
>> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
>> opposite the two Steves were.
>> 
>> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
>> the notebook side.
>> 
>> I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many 
>> are out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on 
>> Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson 
>> International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were 
>> Mac shops not by choice but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially 
>> I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool 
>> enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will 
>> be a day where terminal 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Thanks, but Siri in Sweden is for some reason very limited in what it can do 
for us. I don’t think we can get sports scores, and i know we can’t get what 
movies are playing if it’s not so that i make a syntax error of some kind but i 
doubt it i’m afraid. I don’t know if we can book tables on restaurants, a thing 
i very much doubt. That’s the really tragic thing about Apple these days. The 
features they present nowadays aren’t worldwide, they are mostly anglocentric 
and maybe also available in countries like Germany, France, Italy and the other 
countries ”that count”. Sweden is like earth is described in the hitchhikers 
guide to the galaxy, ”a small insignificant planet in the western spiral arm of 
the galaxy”. By that i mean that Sweden’s not a planet, but it’s small and 
insignificant, thus no cool and/or useful features for us.
/Krister

> 16 juni 2016 kl. 11:21 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> I find it hard to believe that the Swedish siri is dummer than the 
> austrailian or American siri versions?
> 
> The Swedish are pretty dam smart people 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to  
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in 
>> swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>> Just curious.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts 
>>> of stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, 
>>>> and your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect 
>>>> those who may not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly 
>>>> isn’t trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their 
>>>> desktop.  I do find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the 
>>>> weather forecast.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i 
>>>>> probably won’t use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in 
>>>>> Sweden that is.
>>>>> /

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.  

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually 
large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, 
almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example that 
Microsoft has the federal market cornered.

On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
 wrote:

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.

CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>
> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted. 
>  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat 
> modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea 
> to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, 
> sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to 
> thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking 
> I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion 
> slots, the great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz 
> was definitely more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope 
> that he would rise again although I’m not betting on it.
>   I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
> opposite the two Steves were.
>
> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
> the notebook side.
>
> I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many 
> are out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on 
> Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson 
> International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were 
> Mac shops not by choice but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially 
> I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool 
> enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will 
> be a day where terminal isn’t included with the Mac.  I believe that would be 
> the day I go elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>>
>> Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if 
>> Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a 
>> proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>> committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a 
>> workstation OS 

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Thank  VM for that one.

I use virtual box at work as it's free for windows on a mac but I use fusion 
myself and have been looking at the running OSX in a vm on my mac at work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 6:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Fusion will do it. Parallels is not accessible with VoiceOver. So gotta be the 
former .
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So what VM tool are you using to run your mac os VMs?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
> I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
> heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
> When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
> find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
> 
> Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
> new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
> befitting of a proper OS.
> 
> Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other 
> Apple hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for 
> a quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t 
> want to improve the status quo there.
> 
> WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
> most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
> 
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Chris,

 For a simple computer option what about the Chrome Book?

 It's a cheap option here in NZ 
Tell them to have a look at them.

-Original Message-
From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 4:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk institutional 
purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are many more all-Windows 
shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids elementary school last night 
where they were going to help fund buying
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs but I 
also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them in an 
otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all the apps 
installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes that little kids 
are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't 
find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria 
either. For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a 
compelling solution.

CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.
>
> Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  
> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
> architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
> sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd 
> family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted. 
>  That’s when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat 
> modem.  (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea 
> to include a full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, 
> sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to 
> thank you but that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking 
> I coul get behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion 
> slots, the great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz 
> was definitely more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope 
> that he would rise again although I’m not betting on it.
>   I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
> opposite the two Steves were.
>
> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
> the notebook side.
>
> I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many 
> are out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on 
> Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson 
> International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were 
> Mac shops not by choice but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially 
> I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool 
> enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will 
> be a day where terminal isn’t included with the Mac.  I believe that would be 
> the day I go elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>>
>> Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if 
>> Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a 
>> proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>> committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a 
>> workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users 
>> (including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on 
>> OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( 
>> awesome name :) ) sums it up very well:
>>
>>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
>>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into 
>>> a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>>>
>>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
>>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>>>
>>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>>>
>>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
>>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriousl

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

I find it hard to believe that the Swedish siri is dummer than the austrailian 
or American siri versions?

 The Swedish are pretty dam smart people 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to  
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Yeah I'm confused
> 
> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in 
> swedan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
> Just curious.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts 
>> of stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, 
>>> and your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect 
>>> those who may not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly 
>>> isn’t trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their 
>>> desktop.  I do find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the 
>>> weather forecast.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i 
>>>> probably won’t use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in 
>>>> Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes 
>>>>> out this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha 
>>>>> as the voice so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices 
>>>>> we’ve been enjoying on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just 
>>>>> wondered if anybody had their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra 
>>>>> yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get much of an 
>>>>> impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
>>>>> thought I’d ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for 
>>>>> the blind built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, 
>>>>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

 I've tried jaws 17 on a windows 10 surface pro 3 and I still find it a lot 
more difficult to use than my iPad.
Mind you that might be part of the problem is I'm trying to use a surface pro 
using IOS gestures 

 But then what I'm doing with windows is more systems based so a keyboard is 
better suited anyway.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

I'll definitely agree with Simon on the note that touch navigation on Apple 
products is steller! compared to anything on Windows.  I'm not saying it can't 
be done on Windows with leading screen readers, so don't get that impression.  
It's just very very difficult, at best.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.

 As for a touch screan mac,
 Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would 
be the surface or surface pro,

At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box
The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility

Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if 
Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a 
proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a 
workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users 
(including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on 
OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( 
awesome name :) ) sums it up very well:

> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it 
> into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>
> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>
> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>
> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
> hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
>
> Woz, where are you?
>
> Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming. 
Others here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh. 
Things have changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his 
newest iCreations and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The 
neglect of the Mac has gone from being a minor but understandable irritant 
to a full-scale domestic assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right. 
I should have seen that.  But it did offer exciting new features, and at 
least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows. 
I won’t rehash my views about the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow 
since I’ve flogged it to death on here before ( and you know how it is with 
people who think Apple is perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice 
it to say that I (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting 
something better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that 
combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented 
simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of operating systems 
each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality and paradigm, and 
perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ virtues, or an 
inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s open enough to 
be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that 
struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact 
that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and 
an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to recommend 
it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and whose 
usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to Apple’s 
services, 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yep, Apple’s workgroup solutions really work best in an all-Mac configuration, 
now that they have been thoroughly simplified and borked beyond all 
recognition.  Windows integration is possible, and it gets better, but I think 
it’s fair to say that Apple’s not really interested in competing quite as hard 
in the “Enterprise” space.  Still, it’s great to see more Macs, even if they 
are just companions to iOS (network effect again).  You’ve got to see it as 
Apple see it: tiny, underclocked notebook computers, just like the new MacBook, 
fit for the discerning boss who’s had quite enough of that BS from the IT 
department.  In that context, of course, it makes sense.  And there are now 
cloud-based device management services to do your management for you, so you 
don’t really need any supporting Apple infrastructure (apart from the APNS 
[Apple Push Notification Service] run by Apple, of course).

The other interesting growth segment is sysadmins and developers.  A lot of 
people are incredulous, but it’s true: OS X still includes the tools you need, 
like a Terminal, some compilers, a package manager, a nice suite of usable 
desktop apps and an underlying UNIX environment that will run your server 
services.  I daresay as the noose tightens around the closed platforms more of 
these people will transition back to Linux, from whence they came.  And of 
course virtualisation is a thing nowadays, and Microsoft has added bash to 
Windows 10 (whelp!).

Ah, the times, they are a changin’.

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
She tells me that she does not understands me.
Odd.
/A
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 18:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
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> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
>> Just curious.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
>>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. I
>>>> do
>>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
>>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
>>>>> won’t
>>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
>>>>>> voice
>>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
>>>>>> enjoying
>>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant fo

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[r a gindin]

In military parlance OS=Ocean Station and S=Sierra

ag


On 6/15/16 5:11 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Scott,

  Yes the idea behind the iPad iPhone and Mac OS systems  was to eventually 
make all apple devices run on one OS and they started moving things a few years 
ago with address book changing to contacts,
  iCal changing to calendar.

  So it's happening more and more the mac book having a touch screan has got to 
be soon but then  that will mean an iPad with a keyboard or at least that is my 
view.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Sabahattin, man your messages are the best to read.:)

I like the lie down and croak reference even though the Mac laying down and 
croaking makes me sad.

I do think though you’re right but remember, Steve told us years ago this was 
coming, running the same OS on everything.  As you’ve said there have been 
hints for a long long time now not the least of which was moving of an app 
store to OSX and the IOSification (is that a word) of the Mac operating system.

On the upside though, I do like the idea of a more modern filesystem.


On 6/14/16, 4:51 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:


Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  I 
have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and find 
out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.

Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
befitting of a proper OS.

Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a quiet 
spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want to 
improve the status quo there.

WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove most 
first-party apps now (but not Safari).

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Pete Nalda]

Yep tell it open *whatever*.com. Where *whatever*=domain

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t basshing Siri as such, i was merely saying that i don’t think i 
> would use it (her?) and that’s simply because i’m oldfascioned and works in 
> old fascioned ways, but that’s me. I know this is off-topic and yet maybe 
> not, because it’s good to know for when Sierra comes, is there a syntax for 
> opening a web page on the iPhone with Siri?
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 21:37 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do 
>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
>>>> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
>>>> to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[christopher hallsworth]

Fusion will do it. Parallels is not accessible with VoiceOver. So gotta be the 
former .
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So what VM tool are you using to run your mac os VMs?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
> I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
> heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
> When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
> find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
> 
> Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
> new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
> befitting of a proper OS.
> 
> Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other 
> Apple hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for 
> a quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t 
> want to improve the status quo there.
> 
> WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
> most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Chris, the end result if you tried doing a calculation with Siri in Sweden, 
would be something along the lines of ”here’s what i found on the web about 
2+2” or something similar.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 18:05 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
> ---
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
>> Just curious.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
>>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. I
>>>> do
>>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
>>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
>>>>> won’t
>>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
>>>>>> voice
>>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
>>>>>> enjoying
>>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
&g

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.


CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely 
more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise 
again although I’m not betting on it.
I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
opposite the two Steves were.

I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
the notebook side.

I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many are 
out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on Macs, huge 
employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson International, and 
since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were Mac shops not by choice 
but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially I’d think they would like 
to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool enhanced Unix environment is 
slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t 
included with the Mac.  I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere.




On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:


Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:


I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.

For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
and OS X was his centerpiece.

Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.

I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope there 
is a coup happening inside of Apple.

Woz, where are you?

Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.

/A

15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:

Yeah I'm confused

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
Just curious.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with 
Siri.

You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:

Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.


On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:


I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who 
may

not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>

To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. 
I

do
find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.


On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
<kris...@kristersplace.com>
wrote:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
won’t
use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
voice
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
enjoying
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
it’s
hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What happens if you try?  Just am curious?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.

/A

15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:

Yeah I'm confused

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
Just curious.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with 
Siri.

You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:

Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.


On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:


I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who 
may

not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>

To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. 
I

do
find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.


On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
<kris...@kristersplace.com>
wrote:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
won’t
use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
voice
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
enjoying
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
it’s
hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind
built-in

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Don’t know actually.
I didn’t try it when i had an android phone.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 04:54 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
> 
> Wow, so Siri isn’t consistent between nations?
> 
> Really?
> 
> Is it a language processing problem or what do you think?  How’s google’s 
> product in the same area, better?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/14/16, 6:49 PM, "Anders Holmberg" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
> behalf of and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>>> do 
>>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>>>> won’t 
>>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
>>>>>> voice 
>>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
>>>>>> enjoying 
>>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
>>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>>> it’s 
>>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
>>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind 
>>>>>> built-in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to  
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Yeah I'm confused 
> 
> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
> Just curious.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
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>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>>> won’t
>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
>>>>> voice
>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
>>>>> enjoying
>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
>>>>> user!
>>>>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have to change Siri to English to make her do what you can expect her to.
She does not understand english when she is set to Swedish and vice versa.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:51 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? Just 
> curious.
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> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t
>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice
>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying
>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'll definitely agree with Simon on the note that touch navigation on Apple 
products is steller! compared to anything on Windows.  I'm not saying it 
can't be done on Windows with leading screen readers, so don't get that 
impression.  It's just very very difficult, at best.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.

As for a touch screan mac,
Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would 
be the surface or surface pro,


At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box
The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility

Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if 
Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a 
proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a 
workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users 
(including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on 
OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( 
awesome name :) ) sums it up very well:


I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it 
into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.


For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
world, and OS X was his centerpiece.


Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.

I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.


Woz, where are you?

Stay strong osxdaily.


Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming. 
Others here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh. 
Things have changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his 
newest iCreations and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The 
neglect of the Mac has gone from being a minor but understandable irritant 
to a full-scale domestic assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right. 
I should have seen that.  But it did offer exciting new features, and at 
least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows. 
I won’t rehash my views about the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow 
since I’ve flogged it to death on here before ( and you know how it is with 
people who think Apple is perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice 
it to say that I (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting 
something better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that 
combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented 
simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of operating systems 
each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality and paradigm, and 
perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ virtues, or an 
inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s open enough to 
be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that 
struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact 
that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and 
an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to recommend 
it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and whose 
usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to Apple’s 
services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s 
other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …


Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be 
inferior because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing 
your computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple 
would cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s 
advantages (say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware. 
The form factor that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse 
in

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

LOL!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:30 AM
Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Chris,

I'd like her to be able to make a coffee if I need one?



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 7:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.


I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by 
you guys.


Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this
Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m
not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our
iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to
get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still,
just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Even still,

Meh.

OK, that's definitely a bit better than what I initially thought was Zoey, but 
I'm still not crazy about it.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  That's because the voice you hear when you enter the page is Ava. To hear 
what Zoe sounds like, press VO+Command+J until you hear Gender. Click on it and 
VO+Right to select female. Press VO+Space. Next, go to the voice and press 
VO+space. Select Zoe by doing the same method as above for the gender and press 
VO+Space. Type something in and let her read to you.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierck...@me.com> 
wrote:


Zoe sounds like Ava!


God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com


  On Jun 14, 2016, at 17:06, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:


  I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice 
for Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
 and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English voices 
like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not breaking any 
NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS Sierra long before 
WWDC.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:


Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!

Andrew

  On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.

  I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
 Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal 
if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a dev 
feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll have to 
trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you guys.

  Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to 
Samantha ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
<rforet7...@comcast.net>
  To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
  Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes 
out this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on 
our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
thought I’d ask.


  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
user!

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Yeah but then you get your car all dirty or if you mean your home window it’s 
time to hose down that siding.:)  Yowza

 


On 6/15/16, 6:13 AM, "Simon Fogarty" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf 
of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

>Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.
>
> As for a touch screan mac,
> Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would 
> be the surface or surface pro,
>
>At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box  
>The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility 
>
>Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>
>Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
>were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
>workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation 
>OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
>probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
>name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
>very well:
>
>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into 
>> a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>> 
>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>> 
>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>> 
>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
>> hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
>> 
>> Woz, where are you?
>> 
>> Stay strong osxdaily.
>
>Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.
>
>I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
>2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
>here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
>changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
>and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
>gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
>assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
>But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
>noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
>the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
>here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
>matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
>many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
>an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
>rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
>operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
>and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
>virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
>open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a 
>locked-down toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer 
>OS, despite the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business 
>(Microsoft Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS 
>with nothing to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former 
>competition, and whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to 
>lock you in to Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and 
>the need for Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …
>
>Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
>Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
>because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
>computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
>cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
>(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
>that the Mac repr

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Obviously in that region wolfram alpha integration isn’t supported.  When you 
ask what’s 2+2 it subs that work out to another provider, gets the answer and 
returns it to you.  With out that tie in you’ll get the search on the web 
default behavior.


On 6/15/16, 5:06 AM, "Simon Fogarty" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf 
of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

>Yeah I'm confused 
>
>Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>Just curious.
>---
>Christopher Gilland
>JAWS Certified, 2016.
>Training Instructor.
>
>clgillan...@gmail.com
>Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>Hi!
>Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>/A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>
>>>
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>>> won’t
>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>>
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
>>>>> voice
>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
>>>>> enjoying
>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> built-in
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
>>>>> user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely 
more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise 
again although I’m not betting on it.
I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
opposite the two Steves were.

I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
the notebook side.

I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many are 
out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on Macs, huge 
employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson International, and 
since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were Mac shops not by choice 
but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially I’d think they would like 
to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool enhanced Unix environment is 
slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t 
included with the Mac.  I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere.




On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:

>Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>
>Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
>were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
>workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation 
>OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
>probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
>name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
>very well:
>
>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into 
>> a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>> 
>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>> 
>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>> 
>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
>> hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
>> 
>> Woz, where are you?
>> 
>> Stay strong osxdaily.
>
>Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.
>
>I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
>2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
>here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
>changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
>and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
>gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
>assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
>But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
>noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
>the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
>here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
>matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
>many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
>an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
>rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
>operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
>and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
>virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
>open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a 

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

So um I’m not sure what dictation you’re using but yes, you can edit, you do 
not need to start from scratch, you do need to get used to speaking 
punctuations and such but that’s not hard.

You do make a good point for accuracy and typing but in most cases, accuracy 
isn’t that super critical.  Depends on the intended target.  If you do need 
that extra level of polish on your document though I agree typing is probably a 
good idea.  I don’t think it’s a 0sum game though, I use both.  Each has a place

On 6/15/16, 5:00 AM, "Krister Ekstrom"  wrote:

>There are lots of reasons for typing: You’re sure that the mails you send or 
>the messages or documents you make are 120 percent correct. You can’t edit 
>small pieces of document with dictation, you have to start all over again and 
>how much waste of time is that? Plus if dictation, physical keyboard and other 
>methods of typing for one reason or the other gets broken, if you don’t know 
>your keyboard you’re lost and i for one can’t fathom why we don’t want to be 
>able to use our 99,9 percent accessible phone in every way, but that’s me and 
>i seem to be wrong in everything i say or do so why would anyone bother to 
>listen.
>/Krister
>
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:02 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take 
>> the trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy 
>> ones, too. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>>> One of them is me.
>>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>>> I rather dictate instead.
>>> /A
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Yes, WiFi is infac built in.

Apple watches can call using WiFi calling as of I believe Watch OS 2.1.  You 
enable the WiFi calling option on your iphone and the access is also enabled in 
your watch.  If your phone is not near by and your able to join WiFi you’ll be 
able to place and receive calls.  Note there are some limitations on the WiFi 
side mainly you need to use the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 GHZ and you need to 
have simple security options, I don’t believe the more advanaced stuff like 
WiFi authentication is supported.  That said, it does work well.

Hope that helps.


On 6/15/16, 4:22 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
> I was rather impressed with both what they are doing with watch OS and mac OS 
> primarily 
>
> Thepresence of Siri in Mac OS sounded fantastic,
>
> Kind of worrying though that if I abuse my MBA  with siri built in, I'm kind 
> of expecting abuse back.
>
> But more to the point the universal clip board sounds great, and will make 
> working between machines even that much easier.
>
> IOS 10 was a bit to much in favour of photos but hey, until these OS's come 
> out I'm just waiting and will get what I get.
>
> Watch os starting up apps without delay will be friggen awesome, I'm sick of 
> waiting for an app on my watch to open 
>
>But I'm still stumped about one thing mentioned about the Watch OS 3,
>The new S O S feature,
> They made the comment that if the watch is not able to call 911 through the 
> phone, then it can use wifi,
> My apple watch sport does not have wifi built in.
>
> Any thoughts on this one?
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:33 AM
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>Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
>much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
>thought I’d ask.
>
>
>Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>built-in
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

I would be surprised if the extra voices aren’t included.  Apple tends to 
cookie cutter some things so Siri on the phone would be like Siri on the mac.

Also I’ll remind everyone that if you really ar interested, a public beta will 
be released next month.  That we can discuss I believe since it’s public.  
Anyone can sign up and install this and give it a whirrel to find out first 
hand.  So not to long to wait.



On 6/14/16, 5:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Again, I cannot make any of you all any promises.  Let me make it clear that 
>I do not by any means get the final say in this.  I'll do my part though to 
>make it known that this is a welcomed feature.
>---
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>JAWS Certified, 2016.
>Training Instructor.
>
>clgillan...@gmail.com
>Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Andrew Lamanche" <ioani...@me.com>
>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>
>Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
>> to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
>> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
>> to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>>
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Wow, so Siri isn’t consistent between nations?

Really?

Is it a language processing problem or what do you think?  How’s google’s 
product in the same area, better?





On 6/14/16, 6:49 PM, "Anders Holmberg" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

>Hi!
>Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>/A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
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>>> ----- Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do 
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>>> won’t 
>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>> it’s 
>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

We who wish to find out can next month anyway if you install the public Beta.  
So by all means stick to the NDA but the question will be answered any in a few 
weeks.  I believe (could be wrong) but the public beta stuff can be discussed 
openly. I don’t recall a massive NDA when I signed up for the public beta.  I’m 
not a registered developer though so not covered by the developer NDA..


On 6/14/16, 5:24 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>OK, if it is not there already, then I'll post in the forums asking it to 
>possibly be considered.  Again, I'm not saying it's not  already there, but 
>I'm neither saying it is.  I'm saying, I really can't say either way.  If it 
>isn't though, then I'll see if it can be eventually.  No promises, but I'll 
>do my best.
>---
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>
>clgillan...@gmail.com
>Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
>To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:40 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>I feel that the Male voice really really does need to be there and that in 
>fact the male voice is so good it should be the Mac OS default voice.  Since 
>I am public beta testing both Mac OS and IOS, I guess maybe I should know by 
>July.
>
>
>Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>built-in
>
>Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
>> to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
>> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
>> to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.

 As for a touch screan mac,
 Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would be 
the surface or surface pro,

At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box  
The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility 

Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:

> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
> candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
> 
> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
> and OS X was his centerpiece.
> 
> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
> 
> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
> have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope 
> there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
> 
> Woz, where are you?
> 
> Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down 
toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite 
the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft 
Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing 
to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and 
whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to 
Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for 
Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …

Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
peripherals.

Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)

I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
stuttery), but it works well enough.

You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here:
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on copy, 
low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory renam

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:

> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
> candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
> 
> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
> and OS X was his centerpiece.
> 
> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
> 
> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
> have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope 
> there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
> 
> Woz, where are you?
> 
> Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down 
toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite 
the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft 
Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing 
to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and 
whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to 
Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for 
Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …

Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
peripherals.

Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)

I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
stuttery), but it works well enough.

You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here:
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on copy, 
low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory renames … good show. And 
yes, a very big improvement over HFS+, indeed. :)

Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a dangerous and 
advanced business, fit only for people who have good backups and command-line 
foo.  If you follow that link, you’ll find documentation.  If you Google it, 
you’ll find lots of geeky insights, which will really work for you if you like 
that kind of depth of understanding.  Testing is limited to data files; Time 
Machine isn’t supported yet, you can’t export to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you 
can’t actually boot the system from an APFS volume group.  But Apple says that 
stuff is coming.

Object recognition in photos, 

RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

 Yes the idea behind the iPad iPhone and Mac OS systems  was to eventually make 
all apple devices run on one OS and they started moving things a few years ago 
with address book changing to contacts,
 iCal changing to calendar.

 So it's happening more and more the mac book having a touch screan has got to 
be soon but then  that will mean an iPad with a keyboard or at least that is my 
view.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Sabahattin, man your messages are the best to read.:)

I like the lie down and croak reference even though the Mac laying down and 
croaking makes me sad.

I do think though you’re right but remember, Steve told us years ago this was 
coming, running the same OS on everything.  As you’ve said there have been 
hints for a long long time now not the least of which was moving of an app 
store to OSX and the IOSification (is that a word) of the Mac operating system.

On the upside though, I do like the idea of a more modern filesystem.


On 6/14/16, 4:51 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:

>Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
>I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
>heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
>When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
>find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
>
>Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
>new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
>befitting of a proper OS.
>
>Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
>hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a 
>quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want 
>to improve the status quo there.
>
>WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
>most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
>
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I'm confused 

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
Just curious.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>
> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>
>
> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>> do
>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>> won’t
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
>>>> voice
>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
>>>> enjoying
>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>> it’s
>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>> blind
>>>> built-in
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
>>>> user!
>>>>
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Something like ”I found something on the web about what’s 2 plus 2”.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:51 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? Just 
> curious.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t
>>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice
>>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying
>>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>>> it’s
>>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>>>> built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

There are lots of reasons for typing: You’re sure that the mails you send or 
the messages or documents you make are 120 percent correct. You can’t edit 
small pieces of document with dictation, you have to start all over again and 
how much waste of time is that? Plus if dictation, physical keyboard and other 
methods of typing for one reason or the other gets broken, if you don’t know 
your keyboard you’re lost and i for one can’t fathom why we don’t want to be 
able to use our 99,9 percent accessible phone in every way, but that’s me and i 
seem to be wrong in everything i say or do so why would anyone bother to listen.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:02 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take the 
> trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy ones, 
> too. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>> One of them is me.
>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>> I rather dictate instead.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
 
 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
 own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
 to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
 still, just thought I’d ask.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Emm sorry for this stupid question, but what object recognition?
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 23:57 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> 
> The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by Apple 
> on their own preview site including the powerful new object recognition, are 
> all publicly documented on Apple’s own pages.  You can follow them from 
> various pro-Apple places, and don’t have to be logged in with a membership.
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

As for a male or female voice of Siri i just couldn’t care less. In Sweden we 
have one voice and one alone so we have to stick with it either we want it or 
not. Oh the beauty of not living in America.
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:53 skrev Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>> 
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
>> the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
>> it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
>> nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
>> dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
>> have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by 
>> you guys.
>> 
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
>> if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, 
>> just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I wasn’t basshing Siri as such, i was merely saying that i don’t think i would 
use it (her?) and that’s simply because i’m oldfascioned and works in old 
fascioned ways, but that’s me. I know this is off-topic and yet maybe not, 
because it’s good to know for when Sierra comes, is there a syntax for opening 
a web page on the iPhone with Siri?
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 21:37 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and your 
> workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may not care 
> for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t trash 
> to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do find 
> siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>> 
>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

So what VM tool are you using to run your mac os VMs?

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:52 AM
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Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  I 
have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and find 
out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.

Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
befitting of a proper OS.

Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a quiet 
spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want to 
improve the status quo there.

WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove most 
first-party apps now (but not Safari).

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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

I'd like her to be able to make a coffee if I need one?



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Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my comments 
to the borderline without breaking anything.

I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a dev 
feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll have to 
trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you guys.

Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia if 
it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, 
just thought I’d ask.


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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ray,

 I was rather impressed with both what they are doing with watch OS and mac OS 
primarily 

 Thepresence of Siri in Mac OS sounded fantastic,

 Kind of worrying though that if I abuse my MBA  with siri built in, I'm kind 
of expecting abuse back.

 But more to the point the universal clip board sounds great, and will make 
working between machines even that much easier.

 IOS 10 was a bit to much in favour of photos but hey, until these OS's come 
out I'm just waiting and will get what I get.

 Watch os starting up apps without delay will be friggen awesome, I'm sick of 
waiting for an app on my watch to open 

But I'm still stumped about one thing mentioned about the Watch OS 3,
The new S O S feature,
 They made the comment that if the watch is not able to call 911 through the 
phone, then it can use wifi,
 My apple watch sport does not have wifi built in.

 Any thoughts on this one?

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On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:33 AM
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Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m not 
sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our iPHones 
for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own impressions of 
Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get much of an 
impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just thought I’d 
ask.


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, please include the male and female voices to Siri on MacOS Sierra. 
Cheers!!!
> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
> 
> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
> the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
> it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
> nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
> dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
> have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you 
> guys.
> 
> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
> if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
> ---
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
> much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
> thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

That's because the voice you hear when you enter the page is Ava. To hear what 
Zoe sounds like, press VO+Command+J until you hear Gender. Click on it and 
VO+Right to select female. Press VO+Space. Next, go to the voice and press 
VO+space. Select Zoe by doing the same method as above for the gender and press 
VO+Space. Type something in and let her read to you.

Shawn
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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Zoe sounds like Ava!
> 
> God bless.
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>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 17:06, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
>> Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
>> name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. 
>> You can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
>> http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
>>  
>> 
>>  and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They 
>> also have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US 
>> English voices like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, 
>> I'm not breaking any NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac 
>> OS Sierra long before WWDC.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote:
 
 Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
 comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
 
 I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  
 Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
 reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
 already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
 to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  
 Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
 if it be wanted by you guys.
 
 Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
 ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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 - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" >
 To: "Mac Visionaries List" >
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
 Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 
 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
 own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
 to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
 still, just thought I’d ask.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Sabahattin, man your messages are the best to read.:)

I like the lie down and croak reference even though the Mac laying down and 
croaking makes me sad.

I do think though you’re right but remember, Steve told us years ago this was 
coming, running the same OS on everything.  As you’ve said there have been 
hints for a long long time now not the least of which was moving of an app 
store to OSX and the IOSification (is that a word) of the Mac operating system.

On the upside though, I do like the idea of a more modern filesystem.


On 6/14/16, 4:51 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:

>Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
>I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
>heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
>When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
>find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
>
>Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
>new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
>befitting of a proper OS.
>
>Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
>hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a 
>quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want 
>to improve the status quo there.
>
>WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
>most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
Just curious.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:

Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.



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<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:



I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
do

find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.

On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
<kris...@kristersplace.com>

wrote:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
won’t

use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
voice
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
enjoying

on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
it’s

hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind

built-in

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Reasons for Siri, Was: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I do both, dictating, and typing manually.  I absolutely love the ability 
however to do that, and to have a choice of either method.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" <and...@pipkrokodil.se>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Its for the lazy guys i think.
One of them is me.
I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
I rather dictate instead.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.

/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s 
hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.



Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Zoe sounds like Ava!

God bless.
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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 17:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
> Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
> name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
> can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
> http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
>  
> 
>  and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
> have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English 
> voices like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not 
> breaking any NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS 
> Sierra long before WWDC.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>> 
>>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  
>>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to 
>>> put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  
>>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>> 
>>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

True.  But still worth it, IMO. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm usually extremely lazy, but I prefer to type because Siri is bound 
> to get something wrong.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take 
>> the trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy 
>> ones, too. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>>> One of them is me.
>>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>>> I rather dictate instead.
>>> /A
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Devin Prater]

Well, I'm usually extremely lazy, but I prefer to type because Siri is bound to 
get something wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take the 
> trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy ones, 
> too. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>> One of them is me.
>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>> I rather dictate instead.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
 
 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
 own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
 to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
 still, just thought I’d ask.
 
 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take the 
trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy ones, 
too. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Its for the lazy guys i think.
> One of them is me.
> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
> I rather dictate instead.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>>> 
>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am really intrested in the new file system they mentioned.
Is the new system far better than the one mac uses right now?
And what will happen with disks that ar formated into one fs connected to the 
other?
/A
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 23:57 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
> 
> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
> 
> 
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>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Pete Nalda" <lpna...@gmail.com>
>> To: "MacVisionaries group" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do 
>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>>>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>>>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>>>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
>>>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>>>> it’s 
>>>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
>>>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in
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>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Its for the lazy guys i think.
One of them is me.
I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
I rather dictate instead.
/A
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, 
>> just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Fair enough.  I just wanted to check.  It's all good.  Thanks for 
clarifying.

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Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by 
Apple on their own preview site including the powerful new object 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Zoey definitely was what I listened to.  By lowe r end, you're confused.  I 
don't mean she sounds low pitch or a deep voice.  I mean low as in lower 
frequencies.  There is no high end brightness to her.  She doesn't sound crisp 
and clear.  At least not on my 4 feet tall JVL studio monitors. It sounds like 
she's cutting off with a lowpass around I'd guess maybe 100HZ.  Maybe 150 at 
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  Which one did you listen to, Evelyn or Zoe? Evelyn is the older deep voiced 
sounding and Zoe is the younger one. Also, if you think about it, Nuance always 
sends Apple updates to their voices with each version of Mac OS. If history 
repeats itself, Vocalizer 5 or Expressive as it's called now will be updated to 
version 6 which will include these new voices. They might not be there in the 
first beta, but give it time and they will be there.


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On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Meh, I personally took a listen and didn't really care for how she sounded 
in that link you gave.  Way way too much low end, and nowhere near enough high 
frequency.  She's way too boomy in my opinion, which makes it incredibly 
difficult for me to understand.  That's only one person's thoughts though, so 
please judge the voice according to your opinion, and not necessarily that of 
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  Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice 
for Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
 and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English voices 
like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not breaking any 
NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS Sierra long before 
WWDC.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:


Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!

Andrew

  On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.

  I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
 Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal 
if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a dev 
feedback request, provided it's not therealready.  Either way, you'll 
have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you 
guys.

  Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to 
Samantha ia if it besomething we devs could convince Apple to do?
  ---
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  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
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  - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
<rforet7...@comcast.net>
  To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
  Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes 
out this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on 
our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
much of an impression

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by Apple 
on their own preview site including the powerful new object recognition, are 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Which one did you listen to, Evelyn or Zoe? Evelyn is the older deep voiced 
sounding and Zoe is the younger one. Also, if you think about it, Nuance always 
sends Apple updates to their voices with each version of Mac OS. If history 
repeats itself, Vocalizer 5 or Expressive as it's called now will be updated to 
version 6 which will include these new voices. They might not be there in the 
first beta, but give it time and they will be there.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Meh, I personally took a listen and didn't really care for how she sounded in 
> that link you gave.  Way way too much low end, and nowhere near enough high 
> frequency.  She's way too boomy in my opinion, which makes it incredibly 
> difficult for me to understand.  That's only one person's thoughts though, so 
> please judge the voice according to your opinion, and not necessarily that of 
> mine.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
>> Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
>> name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. 
>> You can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
>> http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
>>  
>> <http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html>
>>  and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They 
>> also have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US 
>> English voices like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, 
>> I'm not breaking any NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac 
>> OS Sierra long before WWDC.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>>>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  
>>>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>>>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>>>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
>>>> to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there
>>>> already.  Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the 
>>>> possibility, if it be wanted by you guys.
>>>> 
>>>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>>>> ia if it besomething we devs could convince Apple to do?
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>
>>>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>>>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Meh, I personally took a listen and didn't really care for how she sounded in 
that link you gave.  Way way too much low end, and nowhere near enough high 
frequency.  She's way too boomy in my opinion, which makes it incredibly 
difficult for me to understand.  That's only one person's thoughts though, so 
please judge the voice according to your opinion, and not necessarily that of 
mine.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
 and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English voices 
like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not breaking any 
NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS Sierra long before 
WWDC.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:


Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!

Andrew

  On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.

  I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  
Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal 
if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a dev 
feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll have to 
trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you guys.

  Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
  To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
  Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so 
I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
thought I’d ask.


  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Again, I cannot make any of you all any promises.  Let me make it clear that 
I do not by any means get the final say in this.  I'll do my part though to 
make it known that this is a welcomed feature.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" <ioani...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!

Andrew
On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.


I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
if it be wanted by you guys.


Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
still, just thought I’d ask.



Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm not debating what is or isn't NDA here, but seeing I missed a majority 
of the WWDC, need to go back and watch what I missed, I too am a developer. 
I agree we cannot discuss anything, nor am I going to, but the things you 
did just publicly list in your message, I'm curious what makes them not be 
NDA?  Are these things which were covered at WWDC, therefore the cat's 
already out of the bag?  I'm just curious.  I'm not writing this to slap you 
for mentioning them.  I'm simply just politely asking for some clarification 
where I may be a bit misunderstanding, or may perhaps be slightly unaware.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <listse...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it. 
I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it. 
When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.


Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s 
a new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
befitting of a proper OS.


Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other 
Apple hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking 
for a quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple 
doesn’t want to improve the status quo there.


WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
most first-party apps now (but not Safari).


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, if it is not there already, then I'll post in the forums asking it to 
possibly be considered.  Again, I'm not saying it's not  already there, but 
I'm neither saying it is.  I'm saying, I really can't say either way.  If it 
isn't though, then I'll see if it can be eventually.  No promises, but I'll 
do my best.

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


I feel that the Male voice really really does need to be there and that in 
fact the male voice is so good it should be the Mac OS default voice.  Since 
I am public beta testing both Mac OS and IOS, I guess maybe I should know by 
July.



Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.


I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
if it be wanted by you guys.


Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: "Mac Visionaries List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
still, just thought I’d ask.



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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[John Panarese]

   That’s pretty good. I’m glad to hear that the voice quality continues to 
increase. 


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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
> Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
> name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
> can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
> http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
>  
> 
>  and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
> have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English 
> voices like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not 
> breaking any NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS 
> Sierra long before WWDC.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>> 
>>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  
>>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to 
>>> put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  
>>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>> 
>>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice for 
Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
 

 and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English voices 
like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not breaking any 
NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS Sierra long before 
WWDC.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>> 
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
>> the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
>> it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
>> nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
>> dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
>> have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by 
>> you guys.
>> 
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
>> if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, 
>> just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
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