subject:"Re\: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack"

Lol, nah you wouldn’t.  My friend is her neighbor in Rhode Island, she’s 
nothing special in real life when not digitally enhanced and not hugely 
friendly either which is a much larger deal.:)

All though in full disclosure what neighbors do actually get along? :)  I think 
there’s a disagreement over construction or something so your milage may vary.

I did hover a drone over her place though which was a pretty good trick getting 
a drone up in that part of town with that concentration of celebrities and 
billionaires haha.  Generates me a lot of youtube hits, good times.



> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, from what I've heard being a single man, I'd like to sample taylor 
> swift!
> 
> But yes, music doesn't sound the same in it's extremely pure form now.
> 
> Black sabith live tonight here in Dunedin, one of the heaviest bands out and 
> their playing in my town,
> I'm getting all excited.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 1:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> So that’s the deal Simon, I think you’ve nailed it.
> 
> We’ve sold our musical souls for the hell that is convenience.:)  (ok maybe a 
> bit hyperbolic)
> 
> But you are on to something.  Sure, it’s great to carry around a million 
> songs in my device or have the entire catalog of the output of the human race 
> available over the network via stream but if they all sound like you know 
> what on a shingle then what’s the point?  :)
> 
> Again, I think it’s sort of in the same category as the headphone jack.  
> People just don’t care.  They don’t listen close enough to care.  Of course 
> some do but I’m speaking in generalities here.  The mass market doesn’t care 
> if their Taylor Swift is sampled at 44.1, 48 or 96 KHZ and lossless 
> compressed or lossy squeezed until the life is left lying on the floor.
> 
> Popular music was weaponized in the 60S and 70S.  The CIA and UK intelligence 
> agencies formed an institute that studied the effects of media, especially 
> music and how to generate mass market products that influence the populations 
> and “dumb them down”.  Part of that effort is the total artificialization of 
> the content.  I personally played a part unfortunately in this progression 
> with some of my work early on in my career in teaching computers to 
> reconstruct human voices to make them more appealing to the ear.  People just 
> don’t hear a difference from Taylor Swift’s 4 chord mind numbing progression 
> to One Direction’s 4 chord mind numbing progression.  It’s all generated by 
> the same software.  The very few of us who still like to listen to Miles 
> Davis or Andre Watts or Willy Nelson or fill in your real musician here don’t 
> matter.
>   It was a real eye or is it ear opener for me the other day when I tried 
> to listen to a pianist execute a real performance instead of Nicole 
> Scherzinger undressing on my iPhone while the computer sings for her and it 
> shocked the hell out of me.
> 
> I remember something my professor told me in college when he and I were 
> having an argument over digital audio verses analog and being a young 
> whippersnapper I was on the digital side.  He said “digital music is to 
> formaldehyde as to what analog music is to a frog.  A frog perfectly 
> preserved in formaldehyde will last for ever and always look like a frog but 
> it’s not alive and as such it’s no longer a real frog.”  He was right. I 
> don’t want my frogs to be close digital approximations.:)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 4:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Remember folks that it's not apple setting the standards for digital music.
>> 
>> I have to agree though that I'm starting to find music to perfect and
>> clair, I remember when a 33 &1/3  rpm vinyl was around and the hiss and 
>> crackle of the stylus on the vinyl surface was what really added to the 
>> sound.
>> 
>> It's amazing how much clairer vinyl has become in the way of sound
>> quality
>> 
>> But I still find mp3 the most convenient
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 2:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic,
>> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
>> 
>> I’m no

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I could see everything migrating to USBC eventually so it’s the same adapter 
all around.  I think most people use the included EarPods anyway.  I bet the 
percentage of 3rd party headphone users (wired that is) to included is small.

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> But Scott,
> People are more likely to purchase a product that they can use their existing 
> headphones in if they ned one.
> 
> I've paid like a lot of others a lot of money for good quality headphones  
> removing the jack and saying therefore your going to have to purchase a new 
> set of headphones is going to hack a lot of people off.
> 
> If I'm going to have to use Bluetooth then I'd rather  see apple put time in 
> to a new bigger and better battery life for the phone so I can use my bt 
> headphones without draining my iphone battery in half the time.
> People would like or at least I'd think they'd rather hanve headphones that 
> they can use in their phone and then take to another device and plug in 
> without issue, which the 3.5 mm jack gives,
> I'm going to guess there will be an adapter, another tiny thing to carry 
> around and get lost.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 12:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
> 
> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
> how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
> included and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an 
> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the norm. 
>  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more picky 
> and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll 
> just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use 
> case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning 
> connector.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> 
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> 
>> 
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>> 
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>> 
>>>> OR
>>>> 
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, yo

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Scott, from what I've heard being a single man, I'd like to sample taylor swift!

But yes, music doesn't sound the same in it's extremely pure form now.

 Black sabith live tonight here in Dunedin, one of the heaviest bands out and 
their playing in my town, 
I'm getting all excited.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 1:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

So that’s the deal Simon, I think you’ve nailed it.

We’ve sold our musical souls for the hell that is convenience.:)  (ok maybe a 
bit hyperbolic)

But you are on to something.  Sure, it’s great to carry around a million songs 
in my device or have the entire catalog of the output of the human race 
available over the network via stream but if they all sound like you know what 
on a shingle then what’s the point?  :)

Again, I think it’s sort of in the same category as the headphone jack.  People 
just don’t care.  They don’t listen close enough to care.  Of course some do 
but I’m speaking in generalities here.  The mass market doesn’t care if their 
Taylor Swift is sampled at 44.1, 48 or 96 KHZ and lossless compressed or lossy 
squeezed until the life is left lying on the floor.

Popular music was weaponized in the 60S and 70S.  The CIA and UK intelligence 
agencies formed an institute that studied the effects of media, especially 
music and how to generate mass market products that influence the populations 
and “dumb them down”.  Part of that effort is the total artificialization of 
the content.  I personally played a part unfortunately in this progression with 
some of my work early on in my career in teaching computers to reconstruct 
human voices to make them more appealing to the ear.  People just don’t hear a 
difference from Taylor Swift’s 4 chord mind numbing progression to One 
Direction’s 4 chord mind numbing progression.  It’s all generated by the same 
software.  The very few of us who still like to listen to Miles Davis or Andre 
Watts or Willy Nelson or fill in your real musician here don’t matter.
It was a real eye or is it ear opener for me the other day when I tried 
to listen to a pianist execute a real performance instead of Nicole Scherzinger 
undressing on my iPhone while the computer sings for her and it shocked the 
hell out of me.

I remember something my professor told me in college when he and I were having 
an argument over digital audio verses analog and being a young whippersnapper I 
was on the digital side.  He said “digital music is to formaldehyde as to what 
analog music is to a frog.  A frog perfectly preserved in formaldehyde will 
last for ever and always look like a frog but it’s not alive and as such it’s 
no longer a real frog.”  He was right. I don’t want my frogs to be close 
digital approximations.:)

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 4:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Remember folks that it's not apple setting the standards for digital music.
> 
> I have to agree though that I'm starting to find music to perfect and 
> clair, I remember when a 33 &1/3  rpm vinyl was around and the hiss and 
> crackle of the stylus on the vinyl surface was what really added to the sound.
> 
> It's amazing how much clairer vinyl has become in the way of sound 
> quality
> 
> But I still find mp3 the most convenient
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 2:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Yes exactly,
I have a colleague who waited for the se just because of a purse she carries 
her pphone in.

The 6 etc were to large for the purse so she went from the 5 to the se 
therefore no purse changing.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 12:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

That's NotTheReasoning they gave at its ReleaseParty BackInMarch (March2016)

And, if you are Right-Correct, Why not simply only Release it in those Areas?

I know a LotOfPeople, who Desire the
SmallerFormFactor RatherThan the LargerFormFactor because SizeMatters

We'll Agree2Disagree

I'm Out
At 05:54 AM 4/29/2016, you wrote:
>Actually, that has nothing to do with why the smaller phone was released.
>
>The real reason is because in the Indian and Chinese markets the 4 inch 
>phone is king.  Chinese and other far eastern customer blocks represent 
>a much larger block of business than even the United States and 
>European markets.  Youâ€™re looking at almost 3 billion people between 
>two countries.  Apple isnâ€™t going to try to fight cultural norms and 
>sell a
>6 inch phone to a 4 inch phone customer.
>
>Thereâ€™s a lot on CNBC today on this topic if it interests you on any 
>level.  Lots of concern over the fact Apple made this move and the 
>target markets (China and India) are under economic stress so with the 
>higher margins in the SE production and the declination in the far east 
>markets Apple may have some real short term sales issues with the SE.
>
>Depends on the state of the consumers in these markets.
>
> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
> >
> > Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: 
> iPhone6+ AsWellAs its
> iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack &
> Release a Smaller MobilePhone like the iPhoneSE
> >
> > Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller 
> > MobilePhone
> >
> > NuffSaid
> > At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> >> Apple doesn't have much of a history of
> going back once it does something like this. 
> Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who complained 
> when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single connector? 
> Did Apple change? No.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to
> Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 &
> iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo
> either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> >> >
> >> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs
> Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is 
> UnderTimCook
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can
> have any Color, So long as its Black."
> >> >
> >> > JustSayin
> >> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> >> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone,
> itÃƒÂ¢€â„„¢s goneone, itÃƒÂ¢€™s not coming back.  
> ThereÃreÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢„Ã¢‚Â¬Ã¢„Â¢Ã¢â€žÂ¢s no need for a headphone jack, the 
> vast majority of users wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢‚Â¬™t care and the few that do will 
> get over it bt because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and 
> quarter inch adapters IÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢Ã¢„Â¢m sure.  ThereÃƒÂ¢âÂ¢â‚¬™s way to 
> much to gain by havinging a digital signal source tto think about 
> including a headphone
> jack.   You also have the huge space 
> savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when 
> youÃƒÂ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everythinging counts.  Just at a 
> few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera 
> needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered 
> once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but 
> I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
> USB-C?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will
> OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the iPh

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Yeah I gotta admit if the phone is as good as it's sounding then I wont say no 
to an upgrade. I'll get about the headset issue when I need to but I still 
think it's a crazy idea.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 12:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

It doesn't (ReallyDoesn't) Matter2Me either, but I am simply wondering about 
Those, who gave TheImpression they would QuitePossibly LeaveApple if Apple 
Removed its HeadPhoneJack, & tried to persuade Apple to KeepIt by 
SigningAPetition

I just don't UnderStand TheDifference between WirelessHeadPhones & 
BlueToothHeadPhones (i.e., WirelessEarBuds & BlueToothEarBuds)

Personally, I think People are TooInvested IN Apple'sGarden to ThinkAbout 
Switching/Leaving Apple

Besides they would BeRequired to Learn HowTo navigate another OS At 05:48 AM 
4/29/2016, you wrote:
>Yes but thereâ€™s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
>
>Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not 
>care how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset 
>is included and thatâ€™s as far as it goes.  Remember youâ€™re thinking 
>like an interested technically more advanced and involved user.  
>Thatâ€™s not the norm.  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks 
>who are a little more picky and want a better set of headphones, I put 
>my self in this category, weâ€™ll just get an adapter.  It makes 
>absolutely no difference in my life or use case whether I plug a 8th 
>inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning connector.
>
> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to
> Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 &
> iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo
> either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> >
> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs
> Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is 
> UnderTimCook
> >
> >
> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can
> have any Color, So long as its Black."
> >
> > JustSayin
> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone,
> itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s not coming
> back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a headphone jack, the vast 
> majority of users wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get over it 
> because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters 
> IÃ¢€ââ„¢m sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by havinging a digital 
> signal source to think
> about including a headphone jack.   You also 
> have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of 
> jacks but when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everythinging 
> counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks 
> are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, 
> probably not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port 
> that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for 
> each function.  Maybe USB-C?
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook
> the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the
> iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.
> >> >
> >> > OR
> >> >
> >> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to
> ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite 
> possibly the iPhone8 (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO 
> will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
> >> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> >> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked
> iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many 
> of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
> include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a 
> smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive 
> home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
> >> >>
> >> >> Read more here
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-sp
> ecs-confirmed-by-schematics

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

But Scott,
 People are more likely to purchase a product that they can use their existing 
headphones in if they ned one.

I've paid like a lot of others a lot of money for good quality headphones  
removing the jack and saying therefore your going to have to purchase a new set 
of headphones is going to hack a lot of people off.

If I'm going to have to use Bluetooth then I'd rather  see apple put time in to 
a new bigger and better battery life for the phone so I can use my bt 
headphones without draining my iphone battery in half the time.
People would like or at least I'd think they'd rather hanve headphones that 
they can use in their phone and then take to another device and plug in without 
issue, which the 3.5 mm jack gives, 
I'm going to guess there will be an adapter, another tiny thing to carry around 
and get lost.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 12:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.

Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is included 
and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an interested 
technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the norm.  If it just 
works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more picky and want a 
better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll just get an 
adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use case whether I 
plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning connector.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>> > HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>> > (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>> > SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>> >> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
>>

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

What the heck is this guys issue?

Sorry but I'm getting sick of these nothing repeat emails.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 11:20 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
> see if these last longer.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
>> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
>>
>> Either way dam good price for a bt headset
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
>> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
>>
>> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
>> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>>> ThePressure
>>>
>>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>>> Black."
>>>
>>> JustSayin
>>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it 
>>>> sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably 
>>>> not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports 
>>>> USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
>>>> USB-C?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>>> Chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> OR
>>>>>
>>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic 
>>>>>> vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also 
>>>>>> appears to have a touch s

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I'm just wondering if further changes wouldn't be a miss,

 Now they are most likely getting rid of the headphone jack, now all headphone 
manufacturers use this as a universal connection type, unless of course they 
are Bluetooth headphones 

What if all audio device manufacturers started using USB C as their connection 
type, and also USB c as the charging / power connector for your devices.

Apple are using USB C as the power connection for the 12 inch mac book and of 
course this also does everything else through adapters,

If the world finally started working together to have a single universal 
connector for power audio and other required services even through adapters 
then wouldn't we all be better off?

Hell I don't care what connection the iPhone 7 has so long as I can connect a 
good set of headphones to listen to music and not drain the battery.

Or if they are going to remove the jack, leave the phone the same thickness as 
the 6S and give me more / better battery life 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Dora Speck
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 4:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

I'd put up with lightning cable! :)

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
> 
> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
> how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
> included and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an 
> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the norm. 
>  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more picky 
> and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll 
> just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use 
> case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning 
> connector.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>> ThePressure
>> 
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> 
>> 
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>> 
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>> 
>>>> OR
>>>> 
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and c

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Thanks david good to know.

I'll wait till I kill one of my current 3 before I go buying something new.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2016 10:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

This is especially true with the S530. It is formed to fit in the outer ear. 
Until I spent time to figure out how to best place it, it kept falling out of 
my ear. Now, it stays in even with decent wind. It is a rather solid piece of 
plastic, so it went through many drops, and a couple puddles before the speaker 
became too buzzy. It is actually the one I prefer of the two.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Apr 2016, at 09:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah great price, and as you say, buying replacements isn't a big issue after 
> 6 months.
> 
> I'd not want to do that with my edge,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 10:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
> see if these last longer.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
>> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
>> 
>> Either way dam good price for a bt headset
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
>> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
>> 
>> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
>> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>>> ThePressure
>>> 
>>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>>> Black."
>>> 
>>> JustSayin
>>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it 
>>>> sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably 
>>>> not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports 
>>>> USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
>>>> USB-C?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>&g

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread Terje Strømberg

iPhone SE will be my choice for now because of the 3.5 jack missing on iPhone 
7. Like to use the cabled headset and charge at the same time. Adapters will be 
a choice, but ….

Something good will happen with hi-fi quality down the road, is my guess, but 
it may take 2 years. Competition from streaming services and devices and demand 
from customers. 

Lets hope also the next SE model have 3.5mm headphone jack. The wireless 
signals can be better too. 

Take care

> 29. apr. 2016 kl. 00.49 skrev Scott :
> 
> first, once the headphone jack is gone, it’s gone, it’s not coming back.  
> There’s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users won’t care 
> and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 8th 
> inch and quarter inch adapters I’m sure.  There’s way to much to gain by 
> having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone jack.   
> You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of 
> jacks but when you’re fighting for millimeters everything counts.  Just a few 
> millimeters may be the difference between processing power or radio features 
> or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think 
> the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will 
> it be lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of 
> universal port that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port 
> for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> Chance.
>> 
>> OR
>> 
>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
>> another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the iPhone7S 
>> & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
>> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread David Chittenden

This is especially true with the S530. It is formed to fit in the outer ear. 
Until I spent time to figure out how to best place it, it kept falling out of 
my ear. Now, it stays in even with decent wind. It is a rather solid piece of 
plastic, so it went through many drops, and a couple puddles before the speaker 
became too buzzy. It is actually the one I prefer of the two.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Apr 2016, at 09:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah great price, and as you say, buying replacements isn't a big issue after 
> 6 months.
> 
> I'd not want to do that with my edge,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 10:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
> see if these last longer.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
>> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
>> 
>> Either way dam good price for a bt headset
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
>> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
>> 
>> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
>> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>>> ThePressure
>>> 
>>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>>> Black."
>>> 
>>> JustSayin
>>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it 
>>>> sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably 
>>>> not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports 
>>>> USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
>>>> USB-C?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>>> Chance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OR
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture qui

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Yeah great price, and as you say, buying replacements isn't a big issue after 6 
months.

I'd not want to do that with my edge,

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 10:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
see if these last longer.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
> 
> Either way dam good price for a bt headset
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>> ThePressure
>> 
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> 
>> 
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>> 
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>> 
>>>> OR
>>>> 
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> The follow

Re: benefits of lightning over headphone jack was Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

While a USB-C headphone/power/data jack might allow slimmer devices or
more internal space for other stuff, it also means your headphones could
do much more than play audio. There have been hacks over the years such
as the square credit card reader plugging into the current jack but what
if you wanted your earphone to also be a heart rate monitor, give
real-time feedback on noise near your ears so you could crank up noise
cancellation or charge the device using solar panels in your hat. Once
the connection includes data all kinds of things are possible.

On 4/29/16 12:59 PM, Dora Speck wrote:

You can also do stereo recordings too!

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Scott wrote:

I personally think losing the headphone jack is a good thing. Think about what
we could do with a digital out. You could use your own digital to analog
convertors so for example you could attach your iPhone to your Thor Audio DAC,
you could support digital in for recording, we could start the whole pointless
digital recording debate over again like we had in the DAT days:), no more
quantization error when you want to sample because you can use the digital
stream directly, as someone else said add censors and other features to the
headphones, plug your phone in to a base in your home and it becomes part of
the entire home system including environmental control, audio, video, and so
forth. I think there are a lot of upsides.

On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dora Speck wrote:

I'd put up with lightning cable! :)

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Scott wrote:

Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.

Remember, Apple will include headphones. 99% of the consumers will not care
how these headphones attach to their phone. They know the headset is included
and that’s as far as it goes. Remember you’re thinking like an interested
technically more advanced and involved user. That’s not the norm. If it just
works nobody will care. For folks who are a little more picky and want a
better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll just get an
adapter. It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use case whether I
plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning connector.

On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin wrote:

I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & iPhone7+
& iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE
solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure

Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook

Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its Black."

JustSayin
At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:

first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back.
Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t care
and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 8th
inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure. Thereâ€™s way to much to gain by
having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone jack. You
also have the huge space savings. I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks
but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. Just a few
millimeters may be the difference between processing power or radio features or
new components not in place yet. (extra camera needs room, etc. I think the
days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed. Will it be
lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port
that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each
function. Maybe USB-C?

On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin wrote:

I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the
iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

Read more here

http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: benefits of lightning over headphone jack was Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread Dora Speck

You can also do stereo recordings too!

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> I personally think losing the headphone jack is a good thing.  Think about 
> what we could do with a digital out.  You could use your own digital to 
> analog convertors so for example you could attach your iPhone to your Thor 
> Audio DAC, you could support digital in for recording, we could start the 
> whole pointless digital recording debate over again like we had in the DAT 
> days:), no more quantization error when you want to sample because you can 
> use the digital stream directly, as someone else said add censors and other 
> features to the headphones, plug your phone in to a base in your home and it 
> becomes part of the entire home system including environmental control, 
> audio, video, and so forth.  I think there are a lot of upsides.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd put up with lightning cable! :)
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
>>> 
>>> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not 
>>> care how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
>>> included and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an 
>>> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the 
>>> norm.  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more 
>>> picky and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, 
>>> we’ll just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or 
>>> use case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a 
>>> lightning connector.
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
 iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
 iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones 
 contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
 
 Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
 AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
 
 
 Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
 Black."
 
 JustSayin
 At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s 
> way to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about 
> including a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I 
> know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for 
> millimeters everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the 
> difference between processing power or radio features or new components 
> not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of 
> headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be 
> lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of universal 
> port that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for 
> each function.  Maybe USB-C?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> Chance.
>> 
>> OR
>> 
>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
>> another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
>> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
>>> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar 
>>> size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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benefits of lightning over headphone jack was Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I personally think losing the headphone jack is a good thing.  Think about what 
we could do with a digital out.  You could use your own digital to analog 
convertors so for example you could attach your iPhone to your Thor Audio DAC, 
you could support digital in for recording, we could start the whole pointless 
digital recording debate over again like we had in the DAT days:), no more 
quantization error when you want to sample because you can use the digital 
stream directly, as someone else said add censors and other features to the 
headphones, plug your phone in to a base in your home and it becomes part of 
the entire home system including environmental control, audio, video, and so 
forth.  I think there are a lot of upsides.



> On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> I'd put up with lightning cable! :)
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
>> 
>> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
>> how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
>> included and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an 
>> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the 
>> norm.  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more 
>> picky and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, 
>> we’ll just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or 
>> use case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a 
>> lightning connector.
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
>>> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S 
>>> & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
>>> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>> 
>>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>>> Black."
>>> 
>>> JustSayin
>>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
 first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
 back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
 wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
 lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
 to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
 a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it 
 sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
 everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
 processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
 (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
 numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably 
 not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports 
 USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
 USB-C?
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
> Chance.
> 
> OR
> 
> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
> another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
> iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic 
>> vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also 
>> appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the 
>> iPhone 6s+.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread Dora Speck

I'd put up with lightning cable! :)

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
> 
> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
> how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
> included and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an 
> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the norm. 
>  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more picky 
> and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll 
> just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use 
> case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning 
> connector.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
>> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S 
>> & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
>> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> 
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> 
>> 
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>> 
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
 either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
 Chance.
 
 OR
 
 Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
 another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
 iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
 At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

You wouldn’t release in just a few areas because that’s not how business or 
Apple works on that scale.  It’s all about Margins, you have to keep the 
margins in order.  If I make a phone that’s technically as complex but just 
sell it in 2 markets I don’t benefit from the gains in supply chain and 
scalability across the entire company.  Further more I won’t make as much per 
unit.  If I sell 100 million phones in India and another in China and hell the 
kids in the US suddenly like small phones it’s all gravy for me.  Everything 
improves if I can increase the number of potential customers and markets.  My 
parts become cheaper because I’m ordering more, cost per unit drops and so on 
and so forth.

And I’m basing my position on the reason for the SE on recent comments made 
during the last Apple earnings conference call that took place I think it was 
last Tuesday or Wednesday.  I’m an investor in many things, Apple being one so 
I track things like their earnings calls and analysts comments.  As I 
mentioned, Carl Ikon made a whopper of a comment this morning.  There was a lot 
covered in the last call about the SE especially as it related to sales in the 
east.


> On Apr 29, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> That's NotTheReasoning they gave at its ReleaseParty BackInMarch (March2016)
> 
> And, if you are Right-Correct, Why not simply only Release it in those Areas?
> 
> I know a LotOfPeople, who Desire the SmallerFormFactor RatherThan the 
> LargerFormFactor because SizeMatters
> 
> We'll Agree2Disagree
> 
> I'm Out
> At 05:54 AM 4/29/2016, you wrote:
>> Actually, that has nothing to do with why the smaller phone was released.
>> 
>> The real reason is because in the Indian and Chinese markets the 4 inch 
>> phone is king.  Chinese and other far eastern customer blocks represent a 
>> much larger block of business than even the United States and European 
>> markets.  Youâ€™re looking at almost 3 billion people between two countries. 
>>  Apple isnâ€™t going to try to fight cultural norms and sell a 6 inch phone 
>> to a 4 inch phone customer.
>> 
>> Thereâ€™s a lot on CNBC today on this topic if it interests you on any 
>> level.  Lots of concern over the fact Apple made this move and the target 
>> markets (China and India) are under economic stress so with the higher 
>> margins in the SE production and the declination in the far east markets 
>> Apple may have some real short term sales issues with the SE.
>> 
>> Depends on the state of the consumers in these markets.
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
>> >
>> > Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: iPhone6+ AsWellAs its 
>> > iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack & Release a Smaller MobilePhone 
>> > like the iPhoneSE
>> >
>> > Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone
>> >
>> > NuffSaid
>> > At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something 
>> >> like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who 
>> >> complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single 
>> >> connector? Did Apple change? No.
>> >> Mary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> >> > its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> >> > iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones 
>> >> > contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> >> > AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as 
>> >> > its Black."
>> >> >
>> >> > JustSayin
>> >> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃƒÂ¢€â„„¢s goneone, 
>> >> >> itÃƒÂ¢€™s not coming back.  ThereÃreÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢„Ã¢‚Â¬Ã¢„Â¢Ã¢â€žÂ¢s no need 
>> >> >> for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢‚Â¬™t care 
>> >> >> and the few that do will get over it bt because there wiill be 
>> >> >> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters IÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢Ã¢„Â¢m sure.  
>> >> >> ThereÃƒÂ¢âÂ¢â‚¬™s way to much to gain by havinging a digital signal 
>> >> >> source tto think about including a headphone jack.   You also have the 
>> >> >> huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but 
>> >> >> when youÃƒÂ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everythinging counts.  Just 
>> >> >> at a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> >> >> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera 
>> >> >> needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered 
>> >> >> once a new standard is formed.

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Robin, great responses by the way I like your angle even if we might have a 
little different view point.

I think we’re pretty close though.  I think the idea of people leaving the 
Apple Orchard for other pastures is right on the money.  That’s not trivial to 
do, you might have a lot of money invested in content and so forth.  I ran in 
to this on my first attempt of trying Android.  So I totally agree, I think 
this will be a factor that prevents people from jumping ship.

Next, the folks who grumble, what you might get maybe 100,000 tops on a 
petition online. (if that?)  Hell, let’s call it 1,000,000.  If a million 
people didn’t buy iPhone 7 models, do you think it would even show up in the 
numbers?  When you consider Apple usually sells 8 - 10 million phones on the 
first day?  Add to that the people who are migrating to a smart phone the first 
time and others switching from Android.  That’s what we like to call churn.  
I’m not sure adding a headphone jack will appreciably impact churn.  So I think 
a vocal few might be coloring our impressions because the majority who just 
couldn’t be bothered aren’t represented.


> On Apr 29, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> It doesn't (ReallyDoesn't) Matter2Me either, but I am simply wondering about 
> Those, who gave TheImpression they would QuitePossibly LeaveApple if Apple 
> Removed its HeadPhoneJack, & tried to persuade Apple to KeepIt by 
> SigningAPetition
> 
> I just don't UnderStand TheDifference between WirelessHeadPhones & 
> BlueToothHeadPhones (i.e., WirelessEarBuds & BlueToothEarBuds)
> 
> Personally, I think People are TooInvested IN Apple'sGarden to ThinkAbout 
> Switching/Leaving Apple
> 
> Besides they would BeRequired to Learn HowTo navigate another OS
> At 05:48 AM 4/29/2016, you wrote:
>> Yes but thereâ€™s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.
>> 
>> Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
>> how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
>> included and thatâ€™s as far as it goes.  Remember youâ€™re thinking like an 
>> interested technically more advanced and involved user.  Thatâ€™s not the 
>> norm.  If it just works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more 
>> picky and want a better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, 
>> weâ€™ll just get an adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life 
>> or use case whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a 
>> lightning connector.
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
>> > iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> > iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones 
>> > contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> >
>> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> > AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> > Black."
>> >
>> > JustSayin
>> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s not 
>> >> coming back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a headphone jack, the vast 
>> >> majority of users wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get over it 
>> >> because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters 
>> >> IÃ¢€ââ„¢m sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by havinging a digital 
>> >> signal source to think about including a headphone jack.   You also have 
>> >> the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but 
>> >> when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everythinging counts.  Just a few 
>> >> millimeters may be the difference between processing power or radio 
>> >> features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, 
>> >> etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> >> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> >> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / 
>> >> what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> >> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> >> > Chance.
>> >> >
>> >> > OR
>> >> >
>> >> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack 
>> >> > in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> >> > iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 
>> >> > 7)
>> >> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
>> >> >> a japanese

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Exactly, I’ not sure why people don’t think there will be  an adapter.

I’d say Apple may even include it but then I snapped out of it and remembered 
we live in a capitalist society, so that will be a $30 add on.:)

I’m sure one will be available though.

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not overly worried myself about the lack of headphone jack,
> 
> I've got both wired and Bluetooth headsets so I'm covered.
> 
> But I'd still prefer a jack or at least an adaptor from lightening to 3.5mm 
> jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 8:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> I tend to agree with you, Donna; but, I will keep an open mind--at least, 
> I'll try. (smile)
> 
> On another note, I would enjoy watching your YouTube channel so please post 
> your channel's URL.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>> 
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might 
>> be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New 
>> processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the 
>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the 
>> radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>> 
>>>> Read more here
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-
>>>> specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

So that’s the deal Simon, I think you’ve nailed it.

We’ve sold our musical souls for the hell that is convenience.:)  (ok maybe a 
bit hyperbolic)

But you are on to something.  Sure, it’s great to carry around a million songs 
in my device or have the entire catalog of the output of the human race 
available over the network via stream but if they all sound like you know what 
on a shingle then what’s the point?  :)

Again, I think it’s sort of in the same category as the headphone jack.  People 
just don’t care.  They don’t listen close enough to care.  Of course some do 
but I’m speaking in generalities here.  The mass market doesn’t care if their 
Taylor Swift is sampled at 44.1, 48 or 96 KHZ and lossless compressed or lossy 
squeezed until the life is left lying on the floor.

Popular music was weaponized in the 60S and 70S.  The CIA and UK intelligence 
agencies formed an institute that studied the effects of media, especially 
music and how to generate mass market products that influence the populations 
and “dumb them down”.  Part of that effort is the total artificialization of 
the content.  I personally played a part unfortunately in this progression with 
some of my work early on in my career in teaching computers to reconstruct 
human voices to make them more appealing to the ear.  People just don’t hear a 
difference from Taylor Swift’s 4 chord mind numbing progression to One 
Direction’s 4 chord mind numbing progression.  It’s all generated by the same 
software.  The very few of us who still like to listen to Miles Davis or Andre 
Watts or Willy Nelson or fill in your real musician here don’t matter.
It was a real eye or is it ear opener for me the other day when I tried 
to listen to a pianist execute a real performance instead of Nicole Scherzinger 
undressing on my iPhone while the computer sings for her and it shocked the 
hell out of me.

I remember something my professor told me in college when he and I were having 
an argument over digital audio verses analog and being a young whippersnapper I 
was on the digital side.  He said “digital music is to formaldehyde as to what 
analog music is to a frog.  A frog perfectly preserved in formaldehyde will 
last for ever and always look like a frog but it’s not alive and as such it’s 
no longer a real frog.”  He was right. I don’t want my frogs to be close 
digital approximations.:)

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 4:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Remember folks that it's not apple setting the standards for digital music.
> 
> I have to agree though that I'm starting to find music to perfect and clair,
> I remember when a 33 &1/3  rpm vinyl was around and the hiss and crackle of 
> the stylus on the vinyl surface was what really added to the sound.
> 
> It's amazing how much clairer vinyl has become in the way of sound quality
> 
> But I still find mp3 the most convenient
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 2:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and 
>>> I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>>>

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread george basioli

Well after 5 days of this subject line and next to no mail related to the line 
change it

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 04:12
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 10:09 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
> 
>  Either way dam good price for a bt headset
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, 
> includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either 
>> the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to 
>> ThePressure
>>
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>
>>
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>>
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread Robin


That's NotTheReasoning they gave at its ReleaseParty BackInMarch (March2016)

And, if you are Right-Correct, Why not simply only Release it in those Areas?

I know a LotOfPeople, who Desire the 
SmallerFormFactor RatherThan the LargerFormFactor because SizeMatters


We'll Agree2Disagree

I'm Out
At 05:54 AM 4/29/2016, you wrote:

Actually, that has nothing to do with why the smaller phone was released.

The real reason is because in the Indian and 
Chinese markets the 4 inch phone is 
king.  Chinese and other far eastern customer 
blocks represent a much larger block of business 
than even the United States and European 
markets.  Youâ€™re looking at almost 3 billion 
people between two countries.  Apple isnâ€™t 
going to try to fight cultural norms and sell a 
6 inch phone to a 4 inch phone customer.


Thereâ€™s a lot on CNBC today on this topic if 
it interests you on any level.  Lots of concern 
over the fact Apple made this move and the 
target markets (China and India) are under 
economic stress so with the higher margins in 
the SE production and the declination in the far 
east markets Apple may have some real short term sales issues with the SE.


Depends on the state of the consumers in these markets.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
>
> Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: 
iPhone6+ AsWellAs its 
iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack & 
Release a Smaller MobilePhone like the iPhoneSE

>
> Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone
>
> NuffSaid
> At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Apple doesn't have much of a history of 
going back once it does something like this. 
Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How 
about those who complained when the original 12 
inch MacBook came out with his single connector? Did Apple change? No.

>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to 
Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & 
iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo 
either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE 
solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure

>> >
>> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs 
Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook

>> >
>> >
>> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can 
have any Color, So long as its Black."

>> >
>> > JustSayin
>> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone, 
itÃƒÂ¢€â„„¢s goneone, itÃƒÂ¢€™s not coming 
back.  ThereÃreÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢„Ã¢‚Â¬Ã¢„Â¢Ã¢â€žÂ¢s no 
need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of 
users wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢‚Â¬™t care and the few that do 
will get over it bt because there wiill be 
lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters 
IÃƒÂ¢€Ã¢Ã¢„Â¢m sure.  ThereÃƒÂ¢âÂ¢â‚¬™s way to 
much to gain by havinging a digital signal 
source tto think about including a headphone 
jack.   You also have the huge space 
savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of 
jacks but when youÃƒÂ¢€™re fighting for 
millimeters everythinging counts.  Just at a 
few millimeters may be the difference between 
processing power or radio features or new 
components not in place yet.  (extra camera 
needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone 
jacks are numbered once a new standard is 
formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but 
I could definitely see some sort of universal 
port that supports USB / audio / what ever 
instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?

>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will 
OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either 
the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

>> >> >
>> >> > OR
>> >> >
>> >> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to 
ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone 
InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because 
the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

>> >> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked 
iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese 
magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive 
home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read more here
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 
http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

>> >> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread Robin

It doesn't (ReallyDoesn't) Matter2Me either, but 
I am simply wondering about Those, who gave 
TheImpression they would QuitePossibly LeaveApple 
if Apple Removed its HeadPhoneJack, & tried to 
persuade Apple to KeepIt by SigningAPetition


I just don't UnderStand TheDifference between 
WirelessHeadPhones & BlueToothHeadPhones (i.e., 
WirelessEarBuds & BlueToothEarBuds)


Personally, I think People are TooInvested IN 
Apple'sGarden to ThinkAbout Switching/Leaving Apple


Besides they would BeRequired to Learn HowTo navigate another OS
At 05:48 AM 4/29/2016, you wrote:

Yes but thereâ€™s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.

Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of 
the consumers will not care how these headphones 
attach to their phone.  They know the headset is 
included and thatâ€™s as far as it 
goes.  Remember youâ€™re thinking like an 
interested technically more advanced and 
involved user.  Thatâ€™s not the norm.  If it 
just works nobody will care.  For folks who are 
a little more picky and want a better set of 
headphones, I put my self in this category, 
weâ€™ll just get an adapter.  It makes 
absolutely no difference in my life or use case 
whether I plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my 
phone or a lightning connector.


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to 
Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & 
iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo 
either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE 
solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure

>
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs 
Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook

>
>
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can 
have any Color, So long as its Black."

>
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, 
itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s not coming 
back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a 
headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get 
over it because there wiill be lightning to 8th 
inch and quarter inch adapters IÃ¢€ââ„¢m 
sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by 
havinging a digital signal source to think 
about including a headphone jack.   You also 
have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
silly the sizes of jacks but when youÃ¢€™re 
fighting for millimeters everythinging 
counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the 
difference between processing power or radio 
features or new components not in place 
yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think 
the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a 
new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, 
probably not but I could definitely see some 
sort of universal port that supports USB / 
audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?

>>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook 
the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the 
iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to 
ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone 
InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because 
the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked 
iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese 
magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive 
home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> 
http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

>> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Actually, that has nothing to do with why the smaller phone was released.

The real reason is because in the Indian and Chinese markets the 4 inch phone 
is king.  Chinese and other far eastern customer blocks represent a much larger 
block of business than even the United States and European markets.  You’re 
looking at almost 3 billion people between two countries.  Apple isn’t going to 
try to fight cultural norms and sell a 6 inch phone to a 4 inch phone customer.

There’s a lot on CNBC today on this topic if it interests you on any level.  
Lots of concern over the fact Apple made this move and the target markets 
(China and India) are under economic stress so with the higher margins in the 
SE production and the declination in the far east markets Apple may have some 
real short term sales issues with the SE.

Depends on the state of the consumers in these markets.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
> 
> Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: iPhone6+ AsWellAs its 
> iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack & Release a Smaller MobilePhone like 
> the iPhoneSE
> 
> Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone
> 
> NuffSaid
> At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something 
>> like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who 
>> complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single 
>> connector? Did Apple change? No.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
>> > iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> > iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones 
>> > contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> >
>> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> > AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> > Black."
>> >
>> > JustSayin
>> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s not 
>> >> coming back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a headphone jack, the vast 
>> >> majority of users wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get over it 
>> >> because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters 
>> >> IÃ¢€ââ„¢m sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by havinging a digital 
>> >> signal source to think about including a headphone jack.   You also have 
>> >> the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but 
>> >> when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everythinging counts.  Just a few 
>> >> millimeters may be the difference between processing power or radio 
>> >> features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, 
>> >> etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> >> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> >> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / 
>> >> what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> >> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> >> > Chance.
>> >> >
>> >> > OR
>> >> >
>> >> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack 
>> >> > in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> >> > iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 
>> >> > 7)
>> >> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
>> >> >> a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>> >> >> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>> >> >> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
>> >> >> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a 
>> >> >> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read more here
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

For that price point you could almost justify them being disposable.:)

That’s amazing I’m going to order one of each and give them a shot.

Thanks for the great pointer.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:23 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> The S530 is a little molded plastic piece which sits in the ear. It actually 
> stays quite well, even in fairly high wind. The talk time ranges from 3 to 5 
> hours. It is quite small, and I am told, looks a little like one is wearing 
> an overgrown earbud.
> 
> The BH693 fits over and behind the ear, like the old Motorola Sliver and the 
> Plantronics Legend. It looks like an overgrown Sliver. The speaker hangs over 
> the ear canal, and rotates to the left or right side. It has a similar, if 
> not slightly longer talk time.
> 
> Both are Bluetooth 4.0. I use both, and have a couple of each (not very long 
> battery life). The S530 is around $10 on eBay, and the other one is around 
> $25 on eBay. I use both quite a bit, and am averaging around 6 months per 
> unit.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 10:50, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve heard of this cense my qualification that mostly it’s based on price 
>> but there are exceptions.  I’ve heard of a few from China that supposedly do 
>> well.  You wouldn’t have a model number or name would you?
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interestingly, I get the least amount of lag from a very cheap Bluetooth 
>>> earpiece made in China and sold on eBay for around $10. I actually use it 
>>> whilst typing on the onscreen keyboard with very little lag.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 29 Apr 2016, at 02:59, Scott  wrote:

 So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
 conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  
 Cheap headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is 
 not always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s 
 generally true.  For example, I get very little delay using the 
 plantronics Legend or Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the 
 older jawbone devices or a huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The 
 speakers are also hit and miss with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the 
 small being a little better but the original being laggy.  It’s hit or 
 miss and has mostly to do with the way the audio is reassembled on the 
 speaker or headset itself.

 That’s been my experience anyway.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's 
> at least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes 
> navigating extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any 
> workarounds, but it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's 
> not nearly as responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or 
> the phone speaker itself.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act 
>> particularly badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the 
>> complaint?  What’s the issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can 
>> provide a work around.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since 
>>> Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:

 So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
 compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
 realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening 
 to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed 
 and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I 
 tried playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle 
 Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big 
 mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other 
 things.We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 
 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to 
 bad to there are some really good

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Yes but there’s no way that people will cry about a headphone jack.

Remember, Apple will include headphones.  99% of the consumers will not care 
how these headphones attach to their phone.  They know the headset is included 
and that’s as far as it goes.  Remember you’re thinking like an interested 
technically more advanced and involved user.  That’s not the norm.  If it just 
works nobody will care.  For folks who are a little more picky and want a 
better set of headphones, I put my self in this category, we’ll just get an 
adapter.  It makes absolutely no difference in my life or use case whether I 
plug a 8th inch jack in the base of my phone or a lightning connector.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S & 
> iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
>> > another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> > iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 11:20 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
> see if these last longer.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
>> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
>>
>> Either way dam good price for a bt headset 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
>> cameras and no iPhone jack
>>
>> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
>> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>>
>>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>>> Black."
>>>
>>> JustSayin
>>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it 
>>>> sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably 
>>>> not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports 
>>>> USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe 
>>>> USB-C?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>>> Chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> OR
>>>>>
>>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic 
>>>>>> vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also 
>>>>>> appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the 
>>>>>> iPhone 6s+.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read more here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> The following information

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 10:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Infact Mary,
> 
>  The USB C connector is meant to be taking over from the micro USB and I was 
> leed to believe the lightening connector as it's an all in one port, 
>  So it's something to keep an eye on.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something 
> like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who 
> complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single 
> connector? Did Apple change? No.
> Mary
>   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>
>>
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>>
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner 
>>>>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>
>>>>> The arc

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 10:09 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
> 
>  Either way dam good price for a bt headset 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>
>>
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>>
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner 
>>>>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>
>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>>>> http://www.mail-ar

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 10:06 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> The iPhone is on topic for this list therefore it's on topic.
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 10:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Glad you got time to go through spam
> 
> On 4/28/2016 11:26 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>Its not something I will lose sleep over.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>>
>> On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>>> He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch No 
>>> point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended 
>>> purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
>>> On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>> Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.
>>>>
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>>>>> How is this topic Mac related?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>>>>> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
>>>>>> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this 
>>>>>> way you can still use old headphones if you wish.
>>>>>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't 
>>>>>>> need Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, 
>>>>>>> since Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a 
>>>>>>>> new compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  
>>>>>>>> I didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve 
>>>>>>>> been listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s 
>>>>>>>> all digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I 
>>>>>>>> didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre 
>>>>>>>> Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic 
>>>>>>>> mush.
>>>>>>>> The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
>>>>>>>> it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
>>>>>>>> step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit 
>>>>>>>> CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are 
>>>>>>>> some really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies 
>>>>>>>> out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the 
>>>>>>>>> digital audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe 
>>>>>>>>> games, or even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be 
>>>>>>>>> good for blind square as well. Thank God for change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your 
>>>>>>>>>> rev

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 10:00 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> I'm not overly worried myself about the lack of headphone jack,
> 
> I've got both wired and Bluetooth headsets so I'm covered.
> 
> But I'd still prefer a jack or at least an adaptor from lightening to 3.5mm 
> jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 8:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> I tend to agree with you, Donna; but, I will keep an open mind--at least, 
> I'll try. (smile)
> 
> On another note, I would enjoy watching your YouTube channel so please post 
> your channel's URL.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might 
>> be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New 
>> processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the 
>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the 
>> radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>
>>>> Read more here
>>>>
>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-
>>>> specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>
>>>> --
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-29 Thread David Chittenden

Yes, two broke, one battery died. For so cheap, I just got some more. We will 
see if these last longer.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2016, at 21:09, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is 
> that when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?
> 
> Either way dam good price for a bt headset 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
> people are all asking for Bluetooth.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> 
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> 
>> 
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>> 
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>>>> either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>>>> Chance.
>>>> 
>>>> OR
>>>> 
>>>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>>>> SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>>>>> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> 
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Infact Mary,

 The USB C connector is meant to be taking over from the micro USB and I was 
leed to believe the lightening connector as it's an all in one port, 
 So it's something to keep an eye on.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something like 
this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who complained 
when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single connector? Did Apple 
change? No.
Mary
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>> > HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>> > (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>> > SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>> >> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Visionaries list.
>> >>
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>> >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> >>
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>> >> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> >>
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Hi David,

Those headset you have, you say there lasting you about 6 months each, is that 
when your throwing them out do to broken or dead?

 Either way dam good price for a bt headset 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 11:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
people are all asking for Bluetooth.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf 
> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple 
> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the 
>> > HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
>> > (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the 
>> > SameDesign as the 7) At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-desig
>> >> n-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Visionaries list.
>> >>
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>> >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
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>> >>
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>> >> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> >>
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

The iPhone is on topic for this list therefore it's on topic.

 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 10:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Glad you got time to go through spam

On 4/28/2016 11:26 PM, E.T. wrote:
>Its not something I will lose sleep over.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>> He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch No 
>> point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended 
>> purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
>> On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>>>> How is this topic Mac related?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>>>> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
>>>>> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this 
>>>>> way you can still use old headphones if you wish.
>>>>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't 
>>>>>> need Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, 
>>>>>> since Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a 
>>>>>>> new compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  
>>>>>>> I didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve 
>>>>>>> been listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s 
>>>>>>> all digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I 
>>>>>>> didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre 
>>>>>>> Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.
>>>>>>> The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
>>>>>>> it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
>>>>>>> step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit 
>>>>>>> CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are 
>>>>>>> some really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies 
>>>>>>> out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the 
>>>>>>>> digital audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe 
>>>>>>>> games, or even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be 
>>>>>>>> good for blind square as well. Thank God for change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your 
>>>>>>>>> review on the Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device 
>>&g

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I'm not overly worried myself about the lack of headphone jack,

I've got both wired and Bluetooth headsets so I'm covered.

But I'd still prefer a jack or at least an adaptor from lightening to 3.5mm 
jack.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 8:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

I tend to agree with you, Donna; but, I will keep an open mind--at least, I'll 
try. (smile)

On another note, I would enjoy watching your YouTube channel so please post 
your channel's URL.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the Youtube 
channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having 
> the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.  
> The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects 
> with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for 
> us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for more 
> speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can 
> unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as 
> good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-
>>> specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
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>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
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>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 9:53 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Remember folks that it's not apple setting the standards for digital music.
> 
> I have to agree though that I'm starting to find music to perfect and clair,
> I remember when a 33 &1/3  rpm vinyl was around and the hiss and crackle of 
> the stylus on the vinyl surface was what really added to the sound.
> 
>  It's amazing how much clairer vinyl has become in the way of sound quality 
> 
> But I still find mp3 the most convenient 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 2:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and 
>>> I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>>> definitely not using them.:(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>>>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>>>> God for change.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on 
>>>>> the Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>>>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>>>>>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>>>>>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>>>>>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it. 
>>>>>>  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time 
>>>>>> on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but 
>>>>>> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>>>>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 9:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Virtual reality headset like samsungs,
>  Oh my god, it's like a welders helmet crossed with a divers mask.
> Seemingly looks bloody funny when being worn.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 1:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio outut, 
> or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, could 
> track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank God for 
> change. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>> Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>>
>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
>>> New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
>>> the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope 
>>> the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design
>>>>> -specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 9:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Yeah but aren't they making it thinner when they get rid of the headphone 
> jack.
> 
> Twin cameras would be pretty impressive, 
> I wonder how the likes of KNFB reader would get on with the 2 cameras, should 
> be a better shot using 2 cams.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 1:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
> cameras and no iPhone jack
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having 
> the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.  
> The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects 
> with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for 
> us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for more 
> speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can 
> unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as 
> good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>
>>> Read more here
>>>
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Remember folks that it's not apple setting the standards for digital music.

I have to agree though that I'm starting to find music to perfect and clair,
I remember when a 33 &1/3  rpm vinyl was around and the hiss and crackle of the 
stylus on the vinyl surface was what really added to the sound.

 It's amazing how much clairer vinyl has become in the way of sound quality 

But I still find mp3 the most convenient 



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 2:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the issue 
you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I 
>> never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>> definitely not using them.:(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>>> God for change.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on 
>>>> the Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>>>>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>>>>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>>>>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
>>>>> New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
>>>>> the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i 
>>>>> hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>>>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>>>>>>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>>>>>>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
>>>>>>> back.  Also

RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Virtual reality headset like samsungs,
 Oh my god, it's like a welders helmet crossed with a divers mask.
Seemingly looks bloody funny when being worn.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 1:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio outut, 
or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, could track 
head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank God for change. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>> 
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might 
>> be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New 
>> processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the 
>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the 
>> radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>>>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>>>> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>>>> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>>> 
>>>> Read more here
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design
>>>> -specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>> 
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Yeah but aren't they making it thinner when they get rid of the headphone jack.

Twin cameras would be pretty impressive, 
I wonder how the likes of KNFB reader would get on with the 2 cameras, should 
be a better shot using 2 cams.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 1:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Oh I totally disagree.

There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having 
the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.  
The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects 
with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for us 
specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, 
I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my 
youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 
to 6S or 5S to 6 was.




> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
> to drink the cool aide this time around.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Dora Speck

Why are you sending blank messages?...?

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/29/2016 12:57 AM, Robin wrote:
>> I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
>> 
>> Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: iPhone6+ AsWellAs
>> its iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack & Release a Smaller
>> MobilePhone like the iPhoneSE
>> 
>> Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone
>> 
>> NuffSaid
>> At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does
>>> something like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about
>>> those who complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with
>>> his single connector? Did Apple change? No.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf
>>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the
>>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple
>>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
 
 Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
>>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
 
 
 Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as
>>> its Black."
 
 JustSayin
 At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s
>>> not coming back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a headphone jack, the
>>> vast majority of users wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get
>>> over it because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch
>>> adapters IÃ¢€ââ„¢m sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by havinging
>>> a digital signal source to think about including a headphone jack.  
>>> You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the
>>> sizes of jacks but when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters
>>> everythinging counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference
>>> between processing power or radio features or new components not in
>>> place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of
>>> headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it
>>> be lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of
>>> universal port that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having
>>> a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a
>>> HeadPhoneJack on either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), &
>>> Give this iPhone a Chance.
>> 
>> OR
>> 
>> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the
>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8
>>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the
>>> SameDesign as the 7)
>> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic
>>> appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out
>>> there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras
>>> for stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on
>>> the back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a
>>> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 12:57 AM, Robin wrote:
> I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack
> 
> Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: iPhone6+ AsWellAs
> its iPhone6S+, Why did Apple GoBack & Release a Smaller
> MobilePhone like the iPhoneSE
> 
> Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone
> 
> NuffSaid
> At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does
>> something like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about
>> those who complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with
>> his single connector? Did Apple change? No.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>> >
>> > Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as
>> its Black."
>> >
>> > JustSayin
>> > At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s
>> not coming back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a headphone jack, the
>> vast majority of users wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get
>> over it because there wiill be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch
>> adapters IÃ¢€ââ„¢m sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by havinging
>> a digital signal source to think about including a headphone jack.  
>> You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the
>> sizes of jacks but when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters
>> everythinging counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference
>> between processing power or radio features or new components not in
>> place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of
>> headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it
>> be lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of
>> universal port that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having
>> a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a
>> HeadPhoneJack on either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), &
>> Give this iPhone a Chance.
>> >> >
>> >> > OR
>> >> >
>> >> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the
>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8
>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the
>> SameDesign as the 7)
>> >> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic
>> appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out
>> there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras
>> for stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on
>> the back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a
>> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read more here
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>
>> >> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 12:45 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something 
> like this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who 
> complained when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single 
> connector? Did Apple change? No.
> Mary
>   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
>> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S 
>> & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
>> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>
>>
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
>> Black."
>>
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming 
>>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
>>> wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there will be 
>>> lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way 
>>> to much to gain by having a digital signal source to think about including 
>>> a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
>>> silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters 
>>> everything counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between 
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place yet.  
>>> (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are 
>>> numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not 
>>> but I could definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / 
>>> audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:

 I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
 either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
 Chance.

 OR

 Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
 another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
 iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
 At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>
> Read more here
>
> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack


I BBeg2Differ AsItPertainsTo Apple GoingBack

Once Apple released its Larger MobilePhones: 
iPhone6+ AsWellAs its iPhone6S+, 
Why did Apple GoBack & Release a Smaller MobilePhone like the iPhoneSE


Why? Because AppleFanBoys requested a Smaller MobilePhone

NuffSaid
At 04:45 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
Apple doesn't have much of a history of going 
back once it does something like this. Anybody 
remember the 30 pin connector? How about those 
who complained when the original 12 inch MacBook 
came out with his single connector? Did Apple change? No.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to 
Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & 
iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo 
either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE 
solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure

>
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs 
Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook

>
>
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can 
have any Color, So long as its Black."

>
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, 
itÃ¢€™s goneone, itÃ¢€™s not coming 
back.  ThereÃ¢€â„â‚¬â„¢s no need for a 
headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
wonÃ¢â‚¬™t care and the few that do will get 
over it because there wiill be lightning to 8th 
inch and quarter inch adapters IÃ¢€ââ„¢m 
sure.  ThereÃ¢€™s way to much to gain by 
havinging a digital signal source to think 
about including a headphone jack.   You also 
have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds 
silly the sizes of jacks but when youÃ¢€™re 
fighting for millimeters everythinging 
counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the 
difference between processing power or radio 
features or new components not in place 
yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think 
the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a 
new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, 
probably not but I could definitely see some 
sort of universal port that supports USB / 
audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?

>>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook 
the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the 
iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to 
ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone 
InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because 
the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked 
iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese 
magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive 
home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> 
http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

>> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Mary Otten

Apple doesn't have much of a history of going back once it does something like 
this. Anybody remember the 30 pin connector? How about those who complained 
when the original 12 inch MacBook came out with his single connector? Did Apple 
change? No.
Mary
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S & 
> iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
>> > another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> > iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

t

On 4/29/2016 12:23 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> The S530 is a little molded plastic piece which sits in the ear. It actually 
> stays quite well, even in fairly high wind. The talk time ranges from 3 to 5 
> hours. It is quite small, and I am told, looks a little like one is wearing 
> an overgrown earbud.
> 
> The BH693 fits over and behind the ear, like the old Motorola Sliver and the 
> Plantronics Legend. It looks like an overgrown Sliver. The speaker hangs over 
> the ear canal, and rotates to the left or right side. It has a similar, if 
> not slightly longer talk time.
> 
> Both are Bluetooth 4.0. I use both, and have a couple of each (not very long 
> battery life). The S530 is around $10 on eBay, and the other one is around 
> $25 on eBay. I use both quite a bit, and am averaging around 6 months per 
> unit.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 10:50, Scott  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve heard of this cense my qualification that mostly it’s based on price 
>> but there are exceptions.  I’ve heard of a few from China that supposedly do 
>> well.  You wouldn’t have a model number or name would you?
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interestingly, I get the least amount of lag from a very cheap Bluetooth 
>>> earpiece made in China and sold on eBay for around $10. I actually use it 
>>> whilst typing on the onscreen keyboard with very little lag.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 29 Apr 2016, at 02:59, Scott  wrote:

 So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
 conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  
 Cheap headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is 
 not always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s 
 generally true.  For example, I get very little delay using the 
 plantronics Legend or Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the 
 older jawbone devices or a huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The 
 speakers are also hit and miss with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the 
 small being a little better but the original being laggy.  It’s hit or 
 miss and has mostly to do with the way the audio is reassembled on the 
 speaker or headset itself.

 That’s been my experience anyway.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's 
> at least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes 
> navigating extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any 
> workarounds, but it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's 
> not nearly as responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or 
> the phone speaker itself.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act 
>> particularly badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the 
>> complaint?  What’s the issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can 
>> provide a work around.
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since 
>>> Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:

 So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
 compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
 realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening 
 to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed 
 and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I 
 tried playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle 
 Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big 
 mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other 
 things.We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 
 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to 
 bad to there are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording 
 technologies out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 12:04 AM, Robin wrote:
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its
> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the
> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones
> contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming
>> back.  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of
>> users wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over it because there
>> will be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure. 
>> Thereâ€™s way to much to gain by having a digital signal source to
>> think about including a headphone jack.   You also have the huge space
>> savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re
>> fighting for millimeters everything counts.  Just a few millimeters
>> may be the difference between processing power or radio features or
>> new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I
>> think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is
>> formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could definitely see
>> some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what ever
>> instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack
>> on either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this
>> iPhone a Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the
>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8
>> (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the
>> SameDesign as the 7)
>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared
>> in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The
>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for
>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the
>> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a
>> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack



On 4/29/2016 12:08 AM, Robin wrote:
> But I've been Wrong about Apple before, & I could be Wrong again
> 
> Time will Tell
> 
> AppleFanBoys & AppleFanGirls will help TellTheStory
> At 04:04 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf
>> its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple
>> MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
>>
>> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely
>> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
>>
>>
>> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as
>> its Black."
>>
>> JustSayin
>> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s
>>
>>> gone, itÃ¢€™s not coming back.  ThereÃ¢€Ã¢â‚¬™s no need
>> >for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users
>>> wonÃ¢€™t care and the few that do will get over
>>
>>> it because there will be lightning to 8th inch and quarter inch
>>> adapters IÃ¢€™m sure.  ThereÃ¢âÃ¢â‚¬™s
>> >way to much to gain by having a digital signal
>>> source to think about including a headphone jack.   You also have the
>>> huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but
>>> when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everything
>>
>>> counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between
>>> processing power or radio features or new components not in place
>>> yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days of headphone
>>> jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be
>>> lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of
>>> universal port that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of
>>> having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack
>>> on either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this
>>> iPhone a Chance.
>>> >
>>> > OR
>>> >
>>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the
>>> HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the
>>> iPhone8 (because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be
>>> the SameDesign as the 7)
>>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared
>>> in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there. 
>>> The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for
>>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the
>>> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a
>>> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> >>
>>> >> Read more here
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread David Chittenden

Most sighted people I have asked have no interest in the headset jack. These 
people are all asking for Bluetooth.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 29 Apr 2016, at 11:04, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet after TheReleaseOf its 
> iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the iPhone6S & 
> iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
> HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure
> 
> Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, I would Definitely 
> AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook
> 
> 
> Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have any Color, So long as its 
> Black."
> 
> JustSayin
> At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s gone, itâ€™s not coming back. 
>>  Thereâ€™s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users wonâ€™t 
>> care and the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 
>> 8th inch and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s way to much to 
>> gain by having a digital signal source to think about including a headphone 
>> jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the 
>> sizes of jacks but when youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything counts. 
>>  Just a few millimeters may be the difference between processing power or 
>> radio features or new components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs 
>> room, etc.  I think the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a new 
>> standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, probably not but I could 
>> definitely see some sort of universal port that supports USB / audio / what 
>> ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on 
>> > either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a 
>> > Chance.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
>> > another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
>> > iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
>> > At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> >> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> >> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> >> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
>> >> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
>> >> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> >>
>> >> Read more here
>> >>
>> >> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> >>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread David Chittenden

Hi Scott,

The S530 is a little molded plastic piece which sits in the ear. It actually 
stays quite well, even in fairly high wind. The talk time ranges from 3 to 5 
hours. It is quite small, and I am told, looks a little like one is wearing an 
overgrown earbud.

The BH693 fits over and behind the ear, like the old Motorola Sliver and the 
Plantronics Legend. It looks like an overgrown Sliver. The speaker hangs over 
the ear canal, and rotates to the left or right side. It has a similar, if not 
slightly longer talk time.

Both are Bluetooth 4.0. I use both, and have a couple of each (not very long 
battery life). The S530 is around $10 on eBay, and the other one is around $25 
on eBay. I use both quite a bit, and am averaging around 6 months per unit.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2016, at 10:50, Scott  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard of this cense my qualification that mostly it’s based on price but 
> there are exceptions.  I’ve heard of a few from China that supposedly do 
> well.  You wouldn’t have a model number or name would you?
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Interestingly, I get the least amount of lag from a very cheap Bluetooth 
>> earpiece made in China and sold on eBay for around $10. I actually use it 
>> whilst typing on the onscreen keyboard with very little lag.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 02:59, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
>>> conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  
>>> Cheap headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is 
>>> not always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s 
>>> generally true.  For example, I get very little delay using the plantronics 
>>> Legend or Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone 
>>> devices or a huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are 
>>> also hit and miss with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the small being a 
>>> little better but the original being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has 
>>> mostly to do with the way the audio is reassembled on the speaker or 
>>> headset itself.
>>> 
>>> That’s been my experience anyway.
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
 least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
 extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but 
 it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as 
 responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone 
 speaker itself.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act 
> particularly badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint? 
>  What’s the issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work 
> around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
>> and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening 
>>> to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed 
>>> and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
>>> playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and 
>>> it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It 
>>> just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.   
>>>  We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz 
>>> sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to 
>>> there are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording 
>>> technologies out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
 outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack


But I've been Wrong about Apple before, & I could be Wrong again

Time will Tell

AppleFanBoys & AppleFanGirls will help TellTheStory
At 04:04 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to 
Plummet after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & 
iPhone7+ & iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo 
either the iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE 
solely because those Apple MobilePhones contain 
HeadPhoneJacks, Apple will BowDown to ThePressure


Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs 
Direction, I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook



Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have 
any Color, So long as its Black."


JustSayin
At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:

first, once the headphone jack is gone, itÃ¢€™s



gone, itÃ¢€™s not coming back.  ThereÃ¢€Ã¢â‚¬™s no need

>for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users

wonÃ¢€™t care and the few that do will get over


it because there will be lightning to 8th inch 
and quarter inch adapters IÃ¢€™m sure.  ThereÃ¢âÃ¢â‚¬™s

>way to much to gain by having a digital signal
source to think about including a headphone 
jack.   You also have the huge space 
savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of 
jacks but when youÃ¢€™re fighting for millimeters everything


counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the 
difference between processing power or radio 
features or new components not in place 
yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think 
the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a 
new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, 
probably not but I could definitely see some 
sort of universal port that supports USB / 
audio / what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?



> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the 
LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the iPhone7 
or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

>
> OR
>
> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to 
ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another 
iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 
(because the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO 
will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked 
iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese 
magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
no head phone jack and a smart connector on 
the back.  Also appears to have a touch 
sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

>>
>> Read more here
>>
>> 
http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I Beg2Differ if Apple's Sales continue to Plummet 
after TheReleaseOf its iPhone7 & iPhone7+ & 
iPhone7PRO, & Apple Lovers FlockTo either the 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE solely because 
those Apple MobilePhones contain HeadPhoneJacks, 
Apple will BowDown to ThePressure


Now, if Apple was still UnderSteveJobs Direction, 
I would Definitely AgreeWithYou, but it isn't it is UnderTimCook



Do you recall? SteveJobs sayin, " You can have 
any Color, So long as its Black."


JustSayin
At 03:49 PM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
first, once the headphone jack is gone, itâ€™s 
gone, itâ€™s not coming back.  Thereâ€™s no need 
for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users 
wonâ€™t care and the few that do will get over 
it because there will be lightning to 8th inch 
and quarter inch adapters Iâ€™m sure.  Thereâ€™s 
way to much to gain by having a digital signal 
source to think about including a headphone 
jack.   You also have the huge space savings.  I 
know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but when 
youâ€™re fighting for millimeters everything 
counts.  Just a few millimeters may be the 
difference between processing power or radio 
features or new components not in place 
yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think 
the days of headphone jacks are numbered once a 
new standard is formed.  Will it be lightning, 
probably not but I could definitely see some 
sort of universal port that supports USB / audio 
/ what ever instead of having a port for each function.  Maybe USB-C?



> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the 
LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either the iPhone7 or 
iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.

>
> OR
>
> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to 
ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in another iPhone 
InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because 
the iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked 
iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a japanese 
magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will 
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive 
home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

>>
>> Read more here
>>
>> 
http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Ok now you’re just being stupid.

This is not spam, remember, you have a delete key.  On physical keyboards it 
tends to be in the upper right hand corner below power  and to the right of =.  
On screen based keyboards like the iPhone it tends to be in the lower right 
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to it’s fullest deleting anything you don’t want to read.

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showing through.  Remember, you joined thus solicited the messages thus 
rendering the entire stream of messages not spam, unless, the moderator teams a 
post to be spam or off topic.

Let’s remember that words have meaning.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> Glad you got time to go through spam
> 
> On 4/28/2016 11:26 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Its not something I will lose sleep over.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>>> He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch
>>> No point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended
>>> purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
>>> On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.

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 Many believe that we have been visited
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 On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
> How is this topic Mac related?
> 
> 
> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
>> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way
>> you can still use old headphones if you wish.
>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need
>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since
>>> Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:

 So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new
 compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I
 didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been
 listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all
 digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t
 think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre Watts
 playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.
 The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
 it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
 step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs
 and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some
 really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out
 there and we’re definitely not using them.:(

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital
> audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or
> even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for
> blind square as well. Thank God for change.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review
>> on the Youtube channel first. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>> 
>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device
>>> with out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio
>>> out the lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful
>>> because you can determine distance to objects with multiple
>>> video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for us
>>> specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for
>>> more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the
>>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but
>>> i hope the radio upgrade

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Oh stop it already.

If you get that worked up over mailing list titles I hate to think what really 
grinds your gears.  It’s simple, if you don’t like it, unsubscribe or better 
yet, set a filter that drops the thing you don’t want to read about, say 
iPhones and Apple TV.  We went through a hubbub on list oh boy maybe a year ago 
now where the list decided and the moderator was gracious enough to go along 
with the inclusion of all Apple products.  This includes the watch, phones, 
pads, TV set top box, computers (portable and fixed) as well as the various 
services that Apple sells or can be used on Apple devices.  Our moderator has 
been kind enough to give us a wide latitude including cellular topics and even 
mention of youtube.  Please don’t ruin that. If you don’t like it go else where 
but I hope you’ll stay and participate and have an open mind about including 
other products or filter out the ones you don’t care about so your time isn’t 
wasted and the list quality isn’t negatively impacted by excessive restriction. 
 As a side note, maybe Mark our moderator would include some verbiage in the 
welcome message about the expanded topics to avoid confusion. Just an 
unsolicited suggestion.

Thank you

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch
> No point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended
> purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
> On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>>> How is this topic Mac related?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
 i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
 how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way
 you can still use old headphones if you wish.
> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need
> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since
> Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new
>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I
>> didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been
>> listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all
>> digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t
>> think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre Watts
>> playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.
>> The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
>> it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
>> step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs
>> and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some
>> really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out
>> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital
>>> audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or
>>> even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for
>>> blind square as well. Thank God for change.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review
 on the Youtube channel first. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device
> with out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio
> out the lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful
> because you can determine distance to objects with multiple
> video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for us
> specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for
> more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the
> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but
> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I’ve heard of this cense my qualification that mostly it’s based on price but 
there are exceptions.  I’ve heard of a few from China that supposedly do well.  
You wouldn’t have a model number or name would you?

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, I get the least amount of lag from a very cheap Bluetooth 
> earpiece made in China and sold on eBay for around $10. I actually use it 
> whilst typing on the onscreen keyboard with very little lag.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 02:59, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
>> conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  
>> Cheap headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is 
>> not always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s 
>> generally true.  For example, I get very little delay using the plantronics 
>> Legend or Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone 
>> devices or a huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are also 
>> hit and miss with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the small being a little 
>> better but the original being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has mostly to do 
>> with the way the audio is reassembled on the speaker or headset itself.
>> 
>> That’s been my experience anyway.
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
>>> least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
>>> extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but 
>>> it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as 
>>> responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone 
>>> speaker itself.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
 badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
 issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
> and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening 
>> to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed 
>> and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
>> playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and 
>> it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It 
>> just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.
>> We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz 
>> sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to 
>> there are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording 
>> technologies out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
>>> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square 
>>> as well. Thank God for change.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
 Youtube channel first. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with 
> out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the 
> lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can 
> determine distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that 
> way.  That might be very useful for us specifically once apps take 
> advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 
> hopefully

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

first, once the headphone jack is gone, it’s gone, it’s not coming back.  
There’s no need for a headphone jack, the vast majority of users won’t care and 
the few that do will get over it because there will be lightning to 8th inch 
and quarter inch adapters I’m sure.  There’s way to much to gain by having a 
digital signal source to think about including a headphone jack.   You also 
have the huge space savings.  I know it sounds silly the sizes of jacks but 
when you’re fighting for millimeters everything counts.  Just a few millimeters 
may be the difference between processing power or radio features or new 
components not in place yet.  (extra camera needs room, etc.  I think the days 
of headphone jacks are numbered once a new standard is formed.  Will it be 
lightning, probably not but I could definitely see some sort of universal port 
that supports USB / audio / what ever instead of having a port for each 
function.  Maybe USB-C?


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack on either 
> the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this iPhone a Chance.
> 
> OR
> 
> Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack in 
> another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the iPhone7S & 
> iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)
> At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

Glad you got time to go through spam

On 4/28/2016 11:26 PM, E.T. wrote:
>Its not something I will lose sleep over.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>> He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch
>> No point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended
>> purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
>> On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
 How is this topic Mac related?


 On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way
> you can still use old headphones if you wish.
>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since
>> Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>>
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I
>>> didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been
>>> listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all
>>> digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t
>>> think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre Watts
>>> playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.
>>> The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
>>> it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
>>> step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs
>>> and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some
>>> really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out
>>> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

 Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital
 audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or
 even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for
 blind square as well. Thank God for change.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
>
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review
> on the Youtube channel first. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device
>> with out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio
>> out the lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful
>> because you can determine distance to objects with multiple
>> video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for us
>> specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for
>> more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the
>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but
>> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6
>> was.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I
>>> won't be tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:

 Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic
 appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the
 rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will
 include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no head phone
 jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have
 a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone
 6s+.

 Read more here

 http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread E.T.

Its not something I will lose sleep over.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:

He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch
No point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended
purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:

Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:

How is this topic Mac related?

On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way
you can still use old headphones if you wish.

On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need
Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since
Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott wrote:

So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new
compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage. I
didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years. I’ve been
listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all
digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t
think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre Watts
playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.
The equivalent of eating a big mac. It just had a hollow vibe to
it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
step backwards. I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs
and I never thought I’d say that. It’s to bad to there are some
really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out
there and we’re definitely not using them.:(

On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital
audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or
even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for
blind square as well. Thank God for change.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hmm. Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review
on the Youtube channel first. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott wrote:

Oh I totally disagree.

There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device
with out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio
out the lightning connector. The two cameras are also useful
because you can determine distance to objects with multiple
video feeds combined that way. That might be very useful for us
specifically once apps take advantage of it. New processor for
more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the
preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel. I don’t know but
i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin
wrote:

That sounds utterly uninteresting. Hard to believe that I
won't be tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott wrote:

Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic
appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the
rumors out there. The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will
include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no head phone
jack and a smart connector on the back. Also appears to have
a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone
6s+.

Read more here

http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Dora Speck

That's what I'm wondering!

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> How is this topic Mac related?
> 
> 
>> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
>> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way you can 
>> still use old headphones if you wish.
>>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
>>> and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
 compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
 realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
 this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
 artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
 playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it 
 sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just 
 had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve 
 taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit 
 CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some 
 really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and 
 we’re definitely not using them.:(
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as 
> well. Thank God for change.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>> Youtube channel first. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>> 
>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the 
>>> lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can 
>>> determine distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that 
>>> way.  That might be very useful for us specifically once apps take 
>>> advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 
>>> hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube 
>>> channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 
>>> to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
 tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
> a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a 
> similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

He should then change the name to something like maciphonewatch
No point having two lists if people don't use each for their intended
purpose. Why is there a ViPhone list?
On 4/28/2016 10:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
>Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:
>> How is this topic Mac related?
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>>> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
>>> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way
>>> you can still use old headphones if you wish.
 On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

 Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need
 Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since
 Bluetooth and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.

 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>
> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new
> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I
> didn’t realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been
> listening to this weaponized popular music lately that’s all
> digital, compressed and artificially bright anyway so I didn’t
> think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre Watts
> playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush. 
> The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to
> it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big
> step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs
> and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some
> really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out
> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
>
>
>
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital
>> audio outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or
>> even voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for
>> blind square as well. Thank God for change.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review
>>> on the Youtube channel first. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:

 Oh I totally disagree.

 There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device
 with out having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio
 out the lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful
 because you can determine distance to objects with multiple
 video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for us
 specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for
 more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the
 preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but
 i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.




> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
>
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I
> won't be tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic
>> appeared in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the
>> rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will
>> include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no head phone
>> jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have
>> a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone
>> 6s+.
>>
>> Read more here
>>
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>
>>
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread E.T.

Its on topic because the group's moderator deems it so.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/28/2016 2:51 PM, Shaf Patel wrote:

How is this topic Mac related?

On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way you can
still use old headphones if you wish.

On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need Bluetooth.
Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and voiceover are
incredibly horrible together.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott wrote:

So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new compression
method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage. I didn’t realize how bad
audio had gotten in recent years. I’ve been listening to this weaponized
popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and artificially bright
anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre
Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush. The
equivalent of eating a big mac. It just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was
wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big step backwards. I miss the old
days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that. It’s to
bad to there are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording
technologies out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(

On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio outut,
or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, could track
head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank God for change.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hmm. Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the Youtube
channel first. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott wrote:

Oh I totally disagree.

There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having
the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.
The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects
with multiple video feeds combined that way. That might be very useful for us
specifically once apps take advantage of it. New processor for more speed,
I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my
youtube channel. I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6
to 6S or 5S to 6 was.

On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

That sounds utterly uninteresting. Hard to believe that I won't be tempted to
drink the cool aide this time around.
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott wrote:

Read more here

http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

How is this topic Mac related?


On 4/28/2016 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
> i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
> how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way you can 
> still use old headphones if you wish.
>> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>>
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and 
>>> I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>>> definitely not using them.:(
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

 Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
 outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
 could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
 God for change.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it. 
>>  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time 
>> on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but 
>> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:

 Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
 a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
 iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
 stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
 back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a 
 similar size to the iPhone 6s+.

 Read more here

 http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Michael Marshall

i think there will be a lot of benefits to this in the long run.
how ever, there needs to be a 3.5mm to lightning connector, this way you can 
still use old headphones if you wish.
> On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:42 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I 
>> never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>> definitely not using them.:(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>>> God for change.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
 Youtube channel first. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
> New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
> the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i 
> hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
>>> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar 
>>> size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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RE: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread M. Taylor

I tend to agree with you, Donna; but, I will keep an open mind--at least, I'll 
try. (smile)

On another note, I would enjoy watching your YouTube channel so please post 
your channel's URL.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 
cameras and no iPhone jack

Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the Youtube 
channel first. :) Cheers, Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having 
> the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.  
> The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects 
> with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for 
> us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for more 
> speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can 
> unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as 
> good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-
>>> specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread David Chittenden

Interestingly, I get the least amount of lag from a very cheap Bluetooth 
earpiece made in China and sold on eBay for around $10. I actually use it 
whilst typing on the onscreen keyboard with very little lag.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2016, at 02:59, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
> conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  Cheap 
> headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is not 
> always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s generally 
> true.  For example, I get very little delay using the plantronics Legend or 
> Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone devices or a 
> huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are also hit and miss 
> with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the small being a little better but 
> the original being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has mostly to do with the way 
> the audio is reassembled on the speaker or headset itself.
> 
> That’s been my experience anyway.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
>> least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
>> extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but 
>> it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as 
>> responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone 
>> speaker itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
>>> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
>>> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
 Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
 and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
> playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and 
> it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It 
> just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.
> We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz 
> sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there 
> are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out 
> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
>> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square 
>> as well. Thank God for change.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Oh I totally disagree.
 
 There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
 having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the 
 lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can 
 determine distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that 
 way.  That might be very useful for us specifically once apps take 
 advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 
 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube 
 channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 
 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
 
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
> tempted to

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I'm curious HowMany People will OverLook the LackOf a HeadPhoneJack 
on either the iPhone7 or iPhone7+ (i.e., iPhone7PRO), & Give this 
iPhone a Chance.


OR

Will People SitBack & wait for Apple to ReIntroduce the HeadPhoneJack 
in another iPhone InTheFuture quite possibly the iPhone8 (because the 
iPhone7S & iPhone7S+ & iPhone7PRO will likely be the SameDesign as the 7)

At 05:55 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared 
in a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out 
there.  The iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras 
for stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on 
the back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a 
similar size to the iPhone 6s+.


Read more here

http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/

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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Daniel Miller

This is true. The Plantronics back beat pro headphones are also pretty good in 
terms of no lag. There some, but not as big of a lag as was present on the big 
jam box I used to have. I was hoping that since the Plantronics headphones I 
have support Bluetooth 4.0, it would be nonexistent, but that wasn't the case.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
> conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  Cheap 
> headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is not 
> always the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s generally 
> true.  For example, I get very little delay using the plantronics Legend or 
> Era by Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone devices or a 
> huge delay with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are also hit and miss 
> with the Big Jambox being pretty good, the small being a little better but 
> the original being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has mostly to do with the way 
> the audio is reassembled on the speaker or headset itself.
> 
> That’s been my experience anyway.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
>> least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
>> extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but 
>> it happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as 
>> responsive as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone 
>> speaker itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
>>> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
>>> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
 Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
 and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
> playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and 
> it sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It 
> just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.
> We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz 
> sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there 
> are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out 
> there and we’re definitely not using them.:(
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
>> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square 
>> as well. Thank God for change.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Oh I totally disagree.
 
 There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
 having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the 
 lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can 
 determine distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that 
 way.  That might be very useful for us specifically once apps take 
 advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 
 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube 
 channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 
 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
 
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Daniel Miller

Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but it 
happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as responsive as 
touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone speaker itself.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
>> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and 
>>> I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>>> definitely not using them.:(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
 outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
 could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
 God for change.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>> 
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it. 
>>  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time 
>> on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but 
>> i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
 a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
 iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
 stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
 back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a 
 similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
 
 Read more here
 
 http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

So I thought you were going to say that but I didn’t want to jump to 
conclusions.  The lag is dependent on the device you’re connecting to.  Cheap 
headsets tend to have more lag than better quality devices.  This is not always 
the case of course and there are a lot of factors but it’s generally true.  For 
example, I get very little delay using the plantronics Legend or Era by 
Jawbone.  I get more of a delay using the older jawbone devices or a huge delay 
with a cheap Samsung headset.  The speakers are also hit and miss with the Big 
Jambox being pretty good, the small being a little better but the original 
being laggy.  It’s hit or miss and has mostly to do with the way the audio is 
reassembled on the speaker or headset itself.

That’s been my experience anyway.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Voiceover just seems incredibly laggy. When you tap the screen, there's at 
> least a one second delay before you hear anything, which makes navigating 
> extremely hard in my opinion. I'm not sure if there's any workarounds, but it 
> happens with every headset or speaker I tried. It's not nearly as responsive 
> as touching the screen with normal headphones or the phone speaker itself.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
>> badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the 
>> issue you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
>>> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth 
>>> and voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:

 So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
 compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
 realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
 this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
 artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried 
 playing a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it 
 sounded like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just 
 had a hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve 
 taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit 
 CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some 
 really good lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and 
 we’re definitely not using them.:(

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even 
> voiceover, could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as 
> well. Thank God for change.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>> Youtube channel first. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>> 
>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the 
>>> lightning connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can 
>>> determine distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that 
>>> way.  That might be very useful for us specifically once apps take 
>>> advantage of it.  New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 
>>> hopefully this time on the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube 
>>> channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 
>>> to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
 tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in 
> a japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
> back.  Also

Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

I’m not sure what you mean, voiceover and bluetooth don’t act particularly 
badly at least not in my environment.  What’s the complaint?  What’s the issue 
you have with bluetooth, maybe I can provide a work around.


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need 
> Bluetooth. Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and 
> voiceover are incredibly horrible together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
>> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
>> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
>> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
>> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing 
>> a recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded 
>> like plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a 
>> hollow vibe to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a 
>> big step backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I 
>> never thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good 
>> lossless high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re 
>> definitely not using them.:(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>>> God for change.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
 Youtube channel first. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
> New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
> the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i 
> hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
>> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The 
>>> iPhone 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for 
>>> stereoscopic vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the 
>>> back.  Also appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar 
>>> size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Daniel Miller

Either that, or they could work on a new standard that doesn't need Bluetooth. 
Especially if we're going to go all wireless, since Bluetooth and voiceover are 
incredibly horrible together.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new 
> compression method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t 
> realize how bad audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to 
> this weaponized popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and 
> artificially bright anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a 
> recording of Andre Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like 
> plastic mush.  The equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe 
> to it, the space was wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big step 
> backwards.  I miss the old days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never 
> thought I’d say that.  It’s to bad to there are some really good lossless 
> high bandwidth recording technologies out there and we’re definitely not 
> using them.:(
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio 
>> outut, or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, 
>> could track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank 
>> God for change.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>>> Youtube channel first. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Oh I totally disagree.
 
 There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
 having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
 connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
 distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
 might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
 New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
 the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i 
 hope the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
 
 
 
 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
> tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
>> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic 
>> vision, no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also 
>> appears to have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the 
>> iPhone 6s+.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

So speaking of audio, another thing Apple could do is work on a new compression 
method that doesn’t sound like complete garbage.  I didn’t realize how bad 
audio had gotten in recent years.  I’ve been listening to this weaponized 
popular music lately that’s all digital, compressed and artificially bright 
anyway so I didn’t think much of it but I tried playing a recording of Andre 
Watts playing the Piano at Tangle Wood and it sounded like plastic mush.  The 
equivalent of eating a big mac.  It just had a hollow vibe to it, the space was 
wrong among other things.We’ve taken a big step backwards.  I miss the old 
days of 44.1 kHz sampled 16bit CDs and I never thought I’d say that.  It’s to 
bad to there are some really good lossless high bandwidth recording 
technologies out there and we’re definitely not using them.:(



> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio outut, 
> or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, could 
> track head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank God for 
> change.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
>> Youtube channel first. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I totally disagree.
>>> 
>>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That 
>>> might be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  
>>> New processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on 
>>> the preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope 
>>> the radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be 
 tempted to drink the cool aide this time around.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
> 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
> no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
> have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Devin Prater

Thank God. Now Apple could do something awesome with the digital audio outut, 
or even put sensors on the Earpods. Maybe games, or even voiceover, could track 
head movements. That'd be good for blind square as well. Thank God for change. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the 
> Youtube channel first. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I totally disagree.
>> 
>> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out 
>> having the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning 
>> connector.  The two cameras are also useful because you can determine 
>> distance to objects with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might 
>> be very useful for us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New 
>> processor for more speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the 
>> preorder so I can unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the 
>> radio upgrade is as good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
 japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 
 7+ also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, 
 no head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to 
 have a touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
 
 Read more here
 
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Re: iPhone 7 specs confirmed from a leaked schematic, includes 2 cameras and no iPhone jack

2016-04-28 Thread Donna Goodin

Hmm.  Well, I let you grab that pre-order and watch your review on the Youtube 
channel first. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh I totally disagree.
> 
> There will be an ability to pack a lot more in to this device with out having 
> the headphone jack in the way and sending audio out the lightning connector.  
> The two cameras are also useful because you can determine distance to objects 
> with multiple video feeds combined that way.  That might be very useful for 
> us specifically once apps take advantage of it.  New processor for more 
> speed, I’ll be grabbing a 7 hopefully this time on the preorder so I can 
> unbox on my youtube channel.  I don’t know but i hope the radio upgrade is as 
> good as the 6 to 6S or 5S to 6 was.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds utterly uninteresting.  Hard to believe that I won't be tempted 
>> to drink the cool aide this time around.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Redmond Pie is reporting that a leaked iPhone 7 schematic appeared in a 
>>> japanese magazine and confirms many of the rumors out there.  The iPhone 7+ 
>>> also called the Pro will include dual cameras for stereoscopic vision, no 
>>> head phone jack and a smart connector on the back.  Also appears to have a 
>>> touch sensitive home button and a similar size to the iPhone 6s+.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/rumored-iphone-7-plus-features-and-design-specs-confirmed-by-schematics-leak/
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