Re: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Unfortunatley, I’ve never found a way of moving to the last populated cell in a 
column or row.  The work around it for me is to type in a sequence of memorable 
characters in the row below the last populated one and then if I want to move 
to the end of the column, I use find function to find the sequence of the 
characters.  This is very much a work around.  Apple seems to be less and less 
responsive to our requests.  They still haven’t fixed the Greek voice bug 
although I’ve been reporting it for more than 3 years.  
> On 19 Aug 2019, at 23:09, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Max,
> Thanks for getting me started. However the CMD Left/right arrow does work to 
> go to the last cell in a row with data, but the Cmd up/down only moves to row 
> 1 or row 9091, and my data ends long before that row. I’ll try a couple other 
> spreadsheets to see if there’s something unique with this one.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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Re: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Phil Halton]

Dave, I’ve been making extensive use of Numbers for several years now and that 
was one of my very first questions. Is it possible to move to the last 
populated field in a table rather than going all the way to the end of the 
table or conversely in rose. Unfortunately, that ain’t happening. You have to 
hunt for the last field row by row. Definitely a deficiency in numbers. By the 
way, if anybody proves me wrong here please, please, let us know.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Max,
> Thanks for getting me started. However the CMD Left/right arrow does work to 
> go to the last cell in a row with data, but the Cmd up/down only moves to row 
> 1 or row 9091, and my data ends long before that row. I’ll try a couple other 
> spreadsheets to see if there’s something unique with this one.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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RE: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Try using fn plus left arrow key for getting to the start of the row,
And fn plus to get to the end of the row.


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Subject: Re: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

Max,
Thanks for getting me started. However the CMD Left/right arrow does work to go 
to the last cell in a row with data, but the Cmd up/down only moves to row 1 or 
row 9091, and my data ends long before that row. I’ll try a couple other 
spreadsheets to see if there’s something unique with this one.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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Re: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Max,
Thanks for getting me started. However the CMD Left/right arrow does work to go 
to the last cell in a row with data, but the Cmd up/down only moves to row 1 or 
row 9091, and my data ends long before that row. I’ll try a couple other 
spreadsheets to see if there’s something unique with this one.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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Re: Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Agent086b]

Hi,
CMD + up or down arrow moves to start or end of column CMD + right or left 
arrow moves to first or last cel in a row.
That is a start. Others may suggest more commands.
Max.

> On 20 Aug 2019, at 1:25 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Starting to open and edit old Excel files in Numbers. Moving around in the 
> spreadsheet is not easy, moving one cell at a time.
> Are there keystrokes to allow quick movement to the last populated cell in a 
> column or row, for example?
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Moving Around in Numbers -- Keystrokes on a Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Starting to open and edit old Excel files in Numbers. Moving around in the 
spreadsheet is not easy, moving one cell at a time.
Are there keystrokes to allow quick movement to the last populated cell in a 
column or row, for example?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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Re: Windows keystrokes on a mac?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hello,
Home is function left arrow, put down is function up arrow, page down is 
function down arrow and end is function right arrow.
HTH.
God bless.
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> On Dec 23, 2017, at 12:23, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> In Windows 10 on a Mac Book Air with El Capitan, I know that the command key 
> functions as the Windows key, for example.  But where are the home and end 
> keys, And is there a reverse look up command reference list?
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> Thanks,
> 
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Windows keystrokes on a mac?

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

In Windows 10 on a Mac Book Air with El Capitan, I know that the command key 
functions as the Windows key, for example.  But where are the home and end 
keys, And is there a reverse look up command reference list?

Thanks,



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Re: For Gabe, Clever keystrokes

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Here's a guide on AppleVis to using bluetooth keyboards with iOS. After the 
link, I'll make some additional comments.
https://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/dont-touch-it-type-it-voiceover

First, no, Quick Nav doesn't need to be on all the time. It speeds things up 
sometimes, and sometimes means holding less keys, but you don't actually *need* 
it at all. Many of the navigation commands you know from macOS, if you're a Mac 
user, will work. Vo-left/right to move (same as left/right swipe), vo-space to 
double tap, and so on. Vo-up/down will move through rotor options when 
available, such as actions on an email. To change what your rotor is set to, 
use vo-cmd-left/right. You can also hold down the command key when using 
vo-up/down, if it's easier to just leave all fingers in place when using the 
rotor.

If you're on an iPad, vo-left bracket and vo-right bracket will move between 
apps visible in split view, as well as landing you on the divider, at which 
point you can use vo0up/down to select an options.

I'll let the guide I linked to give you the rest, but there are some non0vo 
commands you may want to know too. Cmd-space on a home screen will open 
Spotlight, and cmd-h seems to be an alternative way of going home. Many apps 
implement keystrokes, so some commands from the Mac will feel familiar. 
Cmd-shift-d to send that email, cmd-l to open the address field in Safari, 
cmd-n in Twitterrific to write a new tweet, and so on. Developers can add their 
own keystrokes, so don't be surprised if you find some available that aren't 
related to VoiceOver. To find what you can do, you can sometimes hold down the 
command key, though this seems to randomly work. I get a result on the home 
screen, but not in Mail or Twitterrific, for instance. I wish there were a 
better way. Still, if you know a keystroke from macOS, it can't hurt to give it 
a shot.
--
Alex Hall




> On Nov 12, 2017, at 13:25, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Gabe,
> 
> So here is what I have so far.
> 
> For some reason, you seem to need to have Quicknav on a lot.  Turn it on by 
> pressing the left and right arrow keys simultaneously.  If you don't get the 
> result you want, toggle quicknav and see if it changes.
> 
> With Quicknav on, the up and down arrow keys take you through the rotor 
> options.  The right and left arrows take you around the screen.  To select or 
> activate an item, either in or out of the rotor, Press the up and down arrow 
> keys simultaneously.
> 
> The VO keys are Alt and Control.  Alt is immediately to the left of the left 
> spacebar, and CTRL is on the left end.
> VO-S toggles speech.
> VO-Shift S toggles screen curtain.
> VO-H takes you to the home screen.
> 
> You can turn the number keys into function keys by pressing the number with 
> the FN key.  The FN key is second one from the left.  The function keys 
> perform the following actions:
> 
> F1 Search
> F2Select all
> F3 copy
> F4 paste
> F5 Cut
> F6 previous track
> F7 Play/Pause
> F8 Next track
> F9 Volume down
> F10 Volume up
> 
> For now, that's all I've got. Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Any tips anyone can give on using this keyboard would be appreciated. My 
>> girlfriend and I both got one but can't seem to figure out how to do 
>> something simple like actvitate an item or return to the home screen.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a UG or any documentation on using this particular 
>> keyboard with the iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree about the contour folding.  That's a very nice feature.
>>> 
>>> Re interacting, sorry, my bad.  What I meant to say was, do you have to 
>>> have Quicknav on all the time?  From the little bit that I've used it, that 
>>> would seem to be the case.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have the same one.I don't need it often, but it's nice when I do. I also 
>>>> l∮ folding, so I can carry it without worrying about damaging keys or 
>>>> bending the keyboard.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you explain what you mean by interacting? That's commonplace on the 
>>>> Mac, but I don't know about it on iOS.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 16:53, Donna

For Gabe, Clever keystrokes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Gabe,

So here is what I have so far.

For some reason, you seem to need to have Quicknav on a lot.  Turn it on by 
pressing the left and right arrow keys simultaneously.  If you don't get the 
result you want, toggle quicknav and see if it changes.

With Quicknav on, the up and down arrow keys take you through the rotor 
options.  The right and left arrows take you around the screen.  To select or 
activate an item, either in or out of the rotor, Press the up and down arrow 
keys simultaneously.

The VO keys are Alt and Control.  Alt is immediately to the left of the left 
spacebar, and CTRL is on the left end.
VO-S toggles speech.
VO-Shift S toggles screen curtain.
VO-H takes you to the home screen.

You can turn the number keys into function keys by pressing the number with the 
FN key.  The FN key is second one from the left.  The function keys perform the 
following actions:

F1 Search
F2Select all
F3 copy
F4 paste
F5 Cut
F6 previous track
F7 Play/Pause
F8 Next track
F9 Volume down
F10 Volume up

For now, that's all I've got. Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Any tips anyone can give on using this keyboard would be appreciated. My 
> girlfriend and I both got one but can't seem to figure out how to do 
> something simple like actvitate an item or return to the home screen.
> 
> Does anyone know of a UG or any documentation on using this particular 
> keyboard with the iPhone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree about the contour folding.  That's a very nice feature.
>> 
>> Re interacting, sorry, my bad.  What I meant to say was, do you have to have 
>> Quicknav on all the time?  From the little bit that I've used it, that would 
>> seem to be the case.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the same one.I don't need it often, but it's nice when I do. I also 
>>> l∮ folding, so I can carry it without worrying about damaging keys or 
>>> bending the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Can you explain what you mean by interacting? That's commonplace on the 
>>> Mac, but I don't know about it on iOS.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 11, 2017, at 16:53, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, I’m writing this message on it.
 
 I like the form factor a lot.  It will easily fit in my purse, as it folds 
 down to a very small size.Getting used to how it works will take some 
 time, though.  For those of you who are used to BT keyboards,do you always 
 have to interact?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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RE: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[Simon Fogarty]

Try using command q or command w,
 Vo w and vo q aren't the correct key presses.

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Subject: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
function key in conjunction?

Kristeen

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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[Mike Arrigo]

You use command+w to close a window and command+q to quit an 
application, these are not voiceover keystrokes at all.

Original message:
I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having 
is that VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an 
app. Is this something that happens with a new machine out of the box? 
Do I need to use the function key in conjunction?



Kristeen



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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[John Panarese]

  You need to use command-w or command-q. Those are MacOS commands and not 
VoiceOver specific.


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> On Oct 25, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
> VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
> something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use 
> the function key in conjunction?
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[E.T.]

   How about command-w and command-q respectively?

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On 10/25/2017 10:46 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
function key in conjunction?

Kristeen



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trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[Kristeen Hughes]

I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
function key in conjunction?

Kristeen

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Re: iTunes keystrokes for removing Duplicates

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Just press the Delete key.  A dialog will appear confirming the action, then 
the selected item is deleted if confirmed.  Return is the default action so, as 
long as you're positive that the cursor is on the correct song, you could press 
Delete, then Return.

Later...

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On Nov 9, 2016, at 16:49, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

I am going through my iTunes 12.52 Library and removing Duplicates. Some Songs 
are labeled Local and the same song is labeled Download. I guess I want to keep 
the Songs labeled Local and Downlload. It is a very slow process to remove the 
Duplicates. Is their a key sttroke to remove a duplicated item that has the 
cursor highlighting the item? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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iTunes keystrokes for removing Duplicates

[Angus MacKinnon]

I am going through my iTunes 12.52 Library and removing Duplicates. Some Songs 
are labeled Local and the same song is labeled Download. I guess I want to keep 
the Songs labeled Local and Downlload. It is a very slow process to remove the 
Duplicates. Is their a key sttroke to remove a duplicated item that has the 
cursor highlighting the item? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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two keystrokes sI have not found

[Sandy Finley]

I am having a lot of success with Numbers - but how do I go to the next 
worksheet in the doc? And, is there a way to name each worksheet? thanks.

Sandy 

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RE: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Esubalew Johnston]

Hi, can you send those keystroke commands again please? I think you so much. 

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Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

Hi Gabriel,

 Am 06.01.2015 um 17:14 schrieb Gabriele Battaglia 
 gabriele.battag...@gmail.com:
 
 Let’s say I have a 3 hours long audio MP3.
 It’s a movie and I would like to copy in my clipboard, the ending music track.
 The section I’m interested in starts at 290.00 minutes and ends at 300.00 
 minutes.
 Now I’ve my opened file in Amadeus Pro and the next action I must take is to 
 set my selection from 290 to 300 minutes.
 What do you suggest me to do, in order to complete this task?
 
I'd use the go to function by pressing CMD + g and enter 290 minutes. Now I'd 
highlighted the audio file to the end and deleted it.

 The second question has to do with tracks.
 If I’m on an audio document that contains 4 tracks:
 1. How can I move from one track to another?
press n

 2. How can I know what track I’m on?

press Shift + Space

 3. How can I play only the track I’m on?

Shift + Space

 4. How can I know what part of each track are selected?

I don't think you can select different parts of different tracks at the same 
time but I'm not sure about that.

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Jürgen Fleger]

 Am 20.01.2015 um 00:17 schrieb Esubalew Johnston esubale...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi, can you send those keystroke commands again please? I think you so much. 

 Here you are. I copy a Google translation at first and the list in german 
below. Of course there are a lot of mistakes in the translation but it might 
help:

Keyboard shortcuts Amadeus Pro

Playback Control
Spacebar to start or stop playback
Shift + Spacebar: Play the selected track
n: Selection of the next track
TAB is pressed during playback: stop and jump to the top
pressed while playback is stopped: jump to the beginning and start playback
CMD + R: Open the Capture panel VO-click start recording, Enter it ends
Alt + CMD + r: Add to new track
k: Plays a brief excerpt from the Einfügekopf
Shift + k: Plays a brief excerpt from the Einfügekopf
a: Moves back to Einfügekopf, depending on the selected zoom level
f: Moves forward the Einfügekopf, depending on the selected zoom level
e: Preview of the cut


navigation
Set Zoom Level to stored values: 1 to 4
Alt + 1 to 4: Save a zoom level preselection
Alt + Home: Set Einfügekopf at the beginning of the file
Alt + End: Sets Einfügekopf end of the file
Alt + Left / Right: Sets Einfügekopf to the previous / next marker
CMD + y: Taking the Einfügekopf to the playback head
CMD + Shift + y: Taking the playback head to Einfügekopf
CMD + Backspace: deletes all markers in selection

Receiving window of Add to new document window:
[Insert Space] to pause recording / resume [Shift] [M] marker at the current 
pick-up location
[M] Like [Shift] [M], but it appears a dialog where you can edit the brand
[Tab] Like [Shift] [M]


edit
Shift Left / Right: Highlight a section according to pre-set zoom level
CMD + a: whole tone mark
Copy the selected area to the clipboard: CMD + c
CMD + V: Paste clipboard at the insertion point
CMD + Alt + v: Opens a dialog Mix
Cut the selected area to the clipboard: CMD + x
a: Increases the selection to the left
s: Reduces selection on the left edge to the right
d: Hides selection on the right edge to the left
f: Enlarges selection to the right
m: Creates a mark on Einfügekopf
p: Creates a mark on the playback head
r: Repairs the selected piece of selection must be very small

Window Repair Center
[R] Repairs the current selection [Shift] [R] Repairs the current selection and 
finds the next clicks
[T] Fixed the upper channel of the [Shift] [T] Fixed the upper channel 
selection and finds the next clicks
[B] Fixed the lower channel of the [Shift] [B] Fixed the lower channel 
selection and finds the next clicks
, [O] Preview of the original sound
, [P] Preview of the repaired clay
[N] Finds the next clicks
[Z] Last action revoke [Shift] [Z] Repeat last action




Tastenkürzel Amadeus Pro

Wiedergabesteuerung
Leertaste: Wiedergabe starten oder stoppen
Shift + Leertaste: Wiedergabe der ausgewählten Spur
n: Auswahl der nächsten Spur
TAB: bei laufender Wiedergabe gedrückt: stoppen und an Anfang springen
bei gestoppter Wiedergabe gedrückt: an Anfang springen und Wiedergabe 
starten
CMD + r: Aufnahmefenster öffnen, VO-Click startet die Aufnahme, Enter beendet 
sie
Alt + CMD + r: In neue Spur aufnehmen
k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt bis zum Einfügekopf
Shift + k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt ab dem Einfügekopf
a: Bewegt den Einfügekopf zurück, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
f: Bewegt den Einfügekopf vorwärts, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
e: Vorhören des Schnittes


Navigation
1 bis 4: Zoomlevel auf gespeicherte Werte setzen
Alt +1 bis 4: Speichern einer Zoomlevel-Vorauswahl
Alt + home: Setzt Einfügekopf an den Anfang der Datei
Alt + End: Setzt Einfügekopf ans Ende der Datei
Alt + Pfeil links / rechts: Setzt Einfügekopf an den vorherigen / nächsten 
Marker
CMD + y: Zieht den Einfügekopf zum Wiedergabekopf
CMD + Shift + y: Zieht den Wiedergabekopf zum Einfügekopf
CMD + Backspace: löscht alle Marker in der Auswahl

Aufnahmefenster von In neues Dokumentfenster aufnehmen:
[Leertaste] Aufnahme pausieren / fortsetzen
[Shift][M] Marke an der aktuellen 
Aufnahmestelle einfügen
[M] Wie [Shift][M], es erscheint aber ein Dialog, in dem Sie die Marke 
editieren können 
[Tab] Wie [Shift][M]


Editieren
Shift Pfeil links/rechts: Markieren eines Abschnittes gemäß voreingestelltem 
Zoomlevel
CMD + a: Gesamten Ton markieren
CMD + c: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage kopieren
CMD + v: Einfügen aus der Zwischenablage am Einfügepunkt
CMD + Alt + v: Öffnet einen Mix-Dialog
CMD + x: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage ausschneiden
a: Vergrößert die Auswahl nach links
s: Verkleinert Auswahl am linken Rand nach rechts
d: Verkleinert Auswahl am rechten Rand nach links
f: Vergrößert Auswahl nach rechts
m: Erzeugt eine Marke am Einfügekopf
p: Erzeugt eine Marke am Wiedergabekopf
r: Repariert das ausgewählte Stück, Auswahl muss sehr klein sein

Fenster Reparaturzentrum
[R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl
[Umschalt][R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl 
und sucht den nächsten Knackser
[T] Repariert den 

Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Jürgen Fleger, alle 09:26 del 12/01/2015, digitò:
Hi.
Thnkas, this answer my questions.
Gabriel.

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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Maria,

yes, they are. Just open the help section of Amadeus Pro and find them. 
Unfortunately they are arranged in a table which are not very accessible to VO. 
But you could also try to translate them using Google.

I’dtranslated them myself but at the moment I have to less time left over. 
Actually I’dlike my days to have 28 hours. ;-)  

All the best
Jürgen
 Am 06.01.2015 um 21:15 schrieb Maria and Joe Chapman 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi.
 are these short cuts available in English?
 
 thanks.
 
 Warm regards and blessings 
 Maria and , Joe 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 6 Jan 2015, at 1:22 pm, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net 
 mailto:apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 
 Hi Gabriel,
 
 I paste the list of keystrokes right underneath this e-mail. 
 See the answers below your questions:
 
 I didn’t know about the K and shift+K keystrokes, but what is the 
 differences between K, shift+K and E?
 
 E gives you just a preview of the cut you haven’t done yet. K and Shift + k 
 let’s you hear one second before and one second after the insertion point. 
 That’s the way you can get to know where the insertion point exactly sits.
 
 Moreover, is there a way to have a Voiceover feedback of the position in 
 second for the insertion point and the play head?
 
 There’s a clock in the toolbar which shows the position of the … I’m not 
 quite sure but I beleive it’s of the insertion point. Please try it out and 
 you’ll see wether it’s of the insertion point or the playhead. I could 
 recommend to set a hot spot there. Unfortunately it’s not always reliable in 
 terms of the chosen audio track.
 
 
 Another question: if I must cut out the ending of a very large file, How 
 can I move the play head till the end in order to play it backward and find 
 the starting of my cut ?
 
 
 Sorry, I didn’t get what you meant.  I find it not recommendable to use the 
 playhead to move while audio is highlighted. But if there is something 
 highlighted, you can use a / s and d/ f to change the edges of the 
 highlighted part. If you changed it press e to hear wether it’s OK now.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 Here’s the overview of the short cuts but as I mentioned it’s in german:
 
 Wiedergabesteuerung
 Leertaste: Wiedergabe starten oder stoppen
 Shift + Leertaste: Wiedergabe der ausgewählten Spur
 n: Auswahl der nächsten Spur
 TAB: bei laufender Wiedergabe gedrückt: stoppen und an Anfang springen
  bei gestoppter Wiedergabe gedrückt: an Anfang springen und Wiedergabe 
 starten
 CMD + r: Aufnahmefenster öffnen, VO-Click startet die Aufnahme, Enter 
 beendet sie
 Alt + CMD + r: In neue Spur aufnehmen
 k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt bis zum Einfügekopf
 Shift + k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt ab dem Einfügekopf
 a: Bewegt den Einfügekopf zurück, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
 f: Bewegt den Einfügekopf vorwärts, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
 e: Vorhören des Schnittes
 
 
 Navigation
 1 bis 4: Zoomlevel auf gespeicherte Werte setzen
 Alt +1 bis 4: Speichern einer Zoomlevel-Vorauswahl
 Alt + home: Setzt Einfügekopf an den Anfang der Datei
 Alt + End: Setzt Einfügekopf ans Ende der Datei
 Alt + Pfeil links / rechts: Setzt Einfügekopf an den vorherigen / nächsten 
 Marker
 CMD + y: Zieht den Einfügekopf zum Wiedergabekopf
 CMD + Shift + y: Zieht den Wiedergabekopf zum Einfügekopf
 CMD + Backspace: löscht alle Marker in der Auswahl
 
 Aufnahmefenster von In neues Dokumentfenster aufnehmen:
 [Leertaste] Aufnahme pausieren / fortsetzen
 [Shift][M] Marke an der aktuellen Aufnahmestelle einfügen
 [M] Wie [Shift][M], es erscheint aber ein Dialog, in dem Sie die Marke 
 editieren können 
 [Tab] Wie [Shift][M]
 
 
 Editieren
 Shift Pfeil links/rechts: Markieren eines Abschnittes gemäß voreingestelltem 
 Zoomlevel
 CMD + a: Gesamten Ton markieren
 CMD + c: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage kopieren
 CMD + v: Einfügen aus der Zwischenablage am Einfügepunkt
 CMD + Alt + v: Öffnet einen Mix-Dialog
 CMD + x: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage ausschneiden
 a: Vergrößert die Auswahl nach links
 s: Verkleinert Auswahl am linken Rand nach rechts
 d: Verkleinert Auswahl am rechten Rand nach links
 f: Vergrößert Auswahl nach rechts
 m: Erzeugt eine Marke am Einfügekopf
 p: Erzeugt eine Marke am Wiedergabekopf
 r: Repariert das ausgewählte Stück, Auswahl muss sehr klein sein
 
 Fenster Reparaturzentrum
 [R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl
 [Umschalt][R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl und sucht den nächsten Knackser
 [T] Repariert den oberen Kanal der Auswahl
 [Umschalt][T] Repariert den oberen Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten 
 Knackser
 [B] Repariert den unteren Kanal der Auswahl
 [Umschalt][B] Repariert den unteren Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten 
 Knackser
  .   [O]  Vorhören des Originaltons 
  .   [P]  Vorhören des reparierten Tons 
 [N] Findet den nächsten Knackser
 [Z] Letzte Aktion widerrufen [Umschalt][Z] Letzte Aktion wiederholen

Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Gabriel,

 Am 06.01.2015 um 17:14 schrieb Gabriele Battaglia 
 gabriele.battag...@gmail.com:
 
 Let’s say I have a 3 hours long audio MP3.
 It’s a movie and I would like to copy in my clipboard, the ending music track.
 The section I’m interested in starts at 290.00 minutes and ends at 300.00 
 minutes.
 Now I’ve my opened file in Amadeus Pro and the next action I must take is to 
 set my selection from 290 to 300 minutes.
 What do you suggest me to do, in order to complete this task?
 
I'd use the go to function by pressing CMD + g and enter 290 minutes. Now I'd 
highlighted the audio file to the end and deleted it.

 The second question has to do with tracks.
 If I’m on an audio document that contains 4 tracks:
 1. How can I move from one track to another?
press n

 2. How can I know what track I’m on?

press Shift + Space

 3. How can I play only the track I’m on?

Shift + Space

 4. How can I know what part of each track are selected?

I don't think you can select different parts of different tracks at the same 
time but I'm not sure about that.

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

I have a list of probably the most keystrokes but in german. Was that of help 
for you? You can also find a list of keystrokes in the help section of Amadeus 
itself but if you are blind using VO this list is not really accessible. It’s 
arranged in a table in a pdf file but VO doesn’t recognizes tables in Preview. 
Also this list is not complete. The special keystrokes a and f to move the 
cursor in very smal steps and hearing instead of seeing the current position by 
pressing k and Shift + k isn’t anounced there.

So if it was helpful to you I could send my list or publish it in this 
mailinglist.

All the best
Jürgen


All the best
Jürgen



 Am 05.01.2015 um 14:38 schrieb Gabriele Battaglia 
 gabriele.battag...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi all.
 Where can I find a complete list of all keystrokes used in Amadeus Pro last 
 release?
 Thanks and happy new year.
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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

 Il giorno 06/gen/2015, alle ore 10:34, Jürgen Fleger 
 apple-engl...@fleger.net ha scritto:
 
 Hi Jürgen,
thanks for answering my mail.

Yes, I’m totally blind and I’ve tried to find the table of keystrokes you 
mentioned within the help menu but with no success.

If believe the best idea is to post in the list a txt version of that table you 
have, so it might be found also by the search engines asked by other blind 
people, in the future.

I didn’t know about the K and shift+K keystrokes, but what is the differences 
between K, shift+K and E?
Moreover, is there a way to have a Voiceover feedback of the position in second 
for the insertion point and the play head?

Another question: if I must cut out the ending of a very large file, How can I 
move the play head till the end in order to play it backward and find the 
starting of my cut ?

Thanks.

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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Gabriel,

I paste the list of keystrokes right underneath this e-mail. 
See the answers below your questions:

 I didn’t know about the K and shift+K keystrokes, but what is the differences 
 between K, shift+K and E?

E gives you just a preview of the cut you haven’t done yet. K and Shift + k 
let’s you hear one second before and one second after the insertion point. 
That’s the way you can get to know where the insertion point exactly sits.

 Moreover, is there a way to have a Voiceover feedback of the position in 
 second for the insertion point and the play head?

There’s a clock in the toolbar which shows the position of the … I’m not quite 
sure but I beleive it’s of the insertion point. Please try it out and you’ll 
see wether it’s of the insertion point or the playhead. I could recommend to 
set a hot spot there. Unfortunately it’s not always reliable in terms of the 
chosen audio track.

 
 Another question: if I must cut out the ending of a very large file, How can 
 I move the play head till the end in order to play it backward and find the 
 starting of my cut ?


Sorry, I didn’t get what you meant.  I find it not recommendable to use the 
playhead to move while audio is highlighted. But if there is something 
highlighted, you can use a / s and d/ f to change the edges of the highlighted 
part. If you changed it press e to hear wether it’s OK now.

All the best
Jürgen

Here’s the overview of the short cuts but as I mentioned it’s in german:

Wiedergabesteuerung
Leertaste: Wiedergabe starten oder stoppen
Shift + Leertaste: Wiedergabe der ausgewählten Spur
n: Auswahl der nächsten Spur
TAB: bei laufender Wiedergabe gedrückt: stoppen und an Anfang springen
bei gestoppter Wiedergabe gedrückt: an Anfang springen und Wiedergabe 
starten
CMD + r: Aufnahmefenster öffnen, VO-Click startet die Aufnahme, Enter beendet 
sie
Alt + CMD + r: In neue Spur aufnehmen
k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt bis zum Einfügekopf
Shift + k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt ab dem Einfügekopf
a: Bewegt den Einfügekopf zurück, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
f: Bewegt den Einfügekopf vorwärts, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
e: Vorhören des Schnittes


Navigation
1 bis 4: Zoomlevel auf gespeicherte Werte setzen
Alt +1 bis 4: Speichern einer Zoomlevel-Vorauswahl
Alt + home: Setzt Einfügekopf an den Anfang der Datei
Alt + End: Setzt Einfügekopf ans Ende der Datei
Alt + Pfeil links / rechts: Setzt Einfügekopf an den vorherigen / nächsten 
Marker
CMD + y: Zieht den Einfügekopf zum Wiedergabekopf
CMD + Shift + y: Zieht den Wiedergabekopf zum Einfügekopf
CMD + Backspace: löscht alle Marker in der Auswahl

Aufnahmefenster von In neues Dokumentfenster aufnehmen:
[Leertaste] Aufnahme pausieren / fortsetzen
[Shift][M] Marke an der aktuellen 
Aufnahmestelle einfügen
[M] Wie [Shift][M], es erscheint aber ein Dialog, in dem Sie die Marke 
editieren können 
[Tab] Wie [Shift][M]


Editieren
Shift Pfeil links/rechts: Markieren eines Abschnittes gemäß voreingestelltem 
Zoomlevel
CMD + a: Gesamten Ton markieren
CMD + c: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage kopieren
CMD + v: Einfügen aus der Zwischenablage am Einfügepunkt
CMD + Alt + v: Öffnet einen Mix-Dialog
CMD + x: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage ausschneiden
a: Vergrößert die Auswahl nach links
s: Verkleinert Auswahl am linken Rand nach rechts
d: Verkleinert Auswahl am rechten Rand nach links
f: Vergrößert Auswahl nach rechts
m: Erzeugt eine Marke am Einfügekopf
p: Erzeugt eine Marke am Wiedergabekopf
r: Repariert das ausgewählte Stück, Auswahl muss sehr klein sein

Fenster Reparaturzentrum
[R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl
[Umschalt][R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl 
und sucht den nächsten Knackser
[T] Repariert den oberen Kanal der Auswahl
[Umschalt][T] Repariert den oberen 
Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten Knackser
[B] Repariert den unteren Kanal der Auswahl
[Umschalt][B] Repariert den unteren 
Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten Knackser
.   [O]  Vorhören des Originaltons 
.   [P]  Vorhören des reparierten Tons 
[N] Findet den nächsten Knackser
[Z] Letzte Aktion widerrufen [Umschalt][Z] Letzte Aktion wiederholen


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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

Hi.
are these short cuts available in English?

thanks.

Warm regards and blessings 
Maria and , Joe 
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com






On 6 Jan 2015, at 1:22 pm, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:

 Hi Gabriel,
 
 I paste the list of keystrokes right underneath this e-mail. 
 See the answers below your questions:
 
 I didn’t know about the K and shift+K keystrokes, but what is the 
 differences between K, shift+K and E?
 
 E gives you just a preview of the cut you haven’t done yet. K and Shift + k 
 let’s you hear one second before and one second after the insertion point. 
 That’s the way you can get to know where the insertion point exactly sits.
 
 Moreover, is there a way to have a Voiceover feedback of the position in 
 second for the insertion point and the play head?
 
 There’s a clock in the toolbar which shows the position of the … I’m not 
 quite sure but I beleive it’s of the insertion point. Please try it out and 
 you’ll see wether it’s of the insertion point or the playhead. I could 
 recommend to set a hot spot there. Unfortunately it’s not always reliable in 
 terms of the chosen audio track.
 
 
 Another question: if I must cut out the ending of a very large file, How can 
 I move the play head till the end in order to play it backward and find the 
 starting of my cut ?
 
 
 Sorry, I didn’t get what you meant.  I find it not recommendable to use the 
 playhead to move while audio is highlighted. But if there is something 
 highlighted, you can use a / s and d/ f to change the edges of the 
 highlighted part. If you changed it press e to hear wether it’s OK now.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 Here’s the overview of the short cuts but as I mentioned it’s in german:
 
 Wiedergabesteuerung
 Leertaste: Wiedergabe starten oder stoppen
 Shift + Leertaste: Wiedergabe der ausgewählten Spur
 n: Auswahl der nächsten Spur
 TAB: bei laufender Wiedergabe gedrückt: stoppen und an Anfang springen
   bei gestoppter Wiedergabe gedrückt: an Anfang springen und Wiedergabe 
 starten
 CMD + r: Aufnahmefenster öffnen, VO-Click startet die Aufnahme, Enter beendet 
 sie
 Alt + CMD + r: In neue Spur aufnehmen
 k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt bis zum Einfügekopf
 Shift + k: Spielt einen kurzen Ausschnitt ab dem Einfügekopf
 a: Bewegt den Einfügekopf zurück, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
 f: Bewegt den Einfügekopf vorwärts, abhängig vom ausgewählten Zoomlevel
 e: Vorhören des Schnittes
 
 
 Navigation
 1 bis 4: Zoomlevel auf gespeicherte Werte setzen
 Alt +1 bis 4: Speichern einer Zoomlevel-Vorauswahl
 Alt + home: Setzt Einfügekopf an den Anfang der Datei
 Alt + End: Setzt Einfügekopf ans Ende der Datei
 Alt + Pfeil links / rechts: Setzt Einfügekopf an den vorherigen / nächsten 
 Marker
 CMD + y: Zieht den Einfügekopf zum Wiedergabekopf
 CMD + Shift + y: Zieht den Wiedergabekopf zum Einfügekopf
 CMD + Backspace: löscht alle Marker in der Auswahl
 
 Aufnahmefenster von In neues Dokumentfenster aufnehmen:
 [Leertaste] Aufnahme pausieren / fortsetzen
 [Shift][M] Marke an der aktuellen Aufnahmestelle einfügen
 [M] Wie [Shift][M], es erscheint aber ein Dialog, in dem Sie die Marke 
 editieren können 
 [Tab] Wie [Shift][M]
 
 
 Editieren
 Shift Pfeil links/rechts: Markieren eines Abschnittes gemäß voreingestelltem 
 Zoomlevel
 CMD + a: Gesamten Ton markieren
 CMD + c: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage kopieren
 CMD + v: Einfügen aus der Zwischenablage am Einfügepunkt
 CMD + Alt + v: Öffnet einen Mix-Dialog
 CMD + x: Markierten Bereich in Zwischenablage ausschneiden
 a: Vergrößert die Auswahl nach links
 s: Verkleinert Auswahl am linken Rand nach rechts
 d: Verkleinert Auswahl am rechten Rand nach links
 f: Vergrößert Auswahl nach rechts
 m: Erzeugt eine Marke am Einfügekopf
 p: Erzeugt eine Marke am Wiedergabekopf
 r: Repariert das ausgewählte Stück, Auswahl muss sehr klein sein
 
 Fenster Reparaturzentrum
 [R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl
 [Umschalt][R] Repariert die aktuelle Auswahl und sucht den nächsten Knackser
 [T] Repariert den oberen Kanal der Auswahl
 [Umschalt][T] Repariert den oberen Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten 
 Knackser
 [B] Repariert den unteren Kanal der Auswahl
 [Umschalt][B] Repariert den unteren Kanal der Auswahl und sucht den nächsten 
 Knackser
   .   [O]  Vorhören des Originaltons 
   .   [P]  Vorhören des reparierten Tons 
 [N] Findet den nächsten Knackser
 [Z] Letzte Aktion widerrufen [Umschalt][Z] Letzte Aktion wiederholen
 
 
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Re: Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

 Il giorno 06/gen/2015, alle ore 14:22, Jürgen Fleger 
 apple-engl...@fleger.net ha scritto:
 
 Sorry, I didn’t get what you meant.  I find it not recommendable to use the 
 playhead to move while audio is highlighted. But if there is something 
 highlighted, you can use a / s and d/ f to change the edges of the 
 highlighted part. If you changed it press e to hear wether it’s OK now.

Hello again and thanks for answer.
The Keystrokes you sent are explained in german but I’ve got the idea of what 
they does.

As you’re so kind and skilled on Amadeus, I’d like to submit another two more 
question, if you don’t mind.
The first regards the movement around an audio file, I have wrote it within the 
preview mail but I’m going to explain it better right here.

Let’s say I have a 3 hours long audio MP3.
It’s a movie and I would like to copy in my clipboard, the ending music track.
The section I’m interested in starts at 290.00 minutes and ends at 300.00 
minutes.
Now I’ve my opened file in Amadeus Pro and the next action I must take is to 
set my selection from 290 to 300 minutes.
What do you suggest me to do, in order to complete this task?

The second question has to do with tracks.
If I’m on an audio document that contains 4 tracks:
1. How can I move from one track to another?
2. How can I know what track I’m on?
3. How can I play only the track I’m on?
4. How can I know what part of each track are selected?

Thank you very much. Your help is greatly appreciated and wanted?
Gabriel.
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Amadeus Pro keystrokes.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Hi all.
Where can I find a complete list of all keystrokes used in Amadeus Pro 
last release?

Thanks and happy new year.
Gabriel.

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Re: keystrokes

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lorie,

The other way to get a contextual menu is to bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) then 
hold down the Ctrl key and click with the mouse or trackpad.

To get to the bottom of a page in Safari, use the Go to last item command, 
VO-Shift-End (End on a laptop is FN-Right Arrow).

Cheers,

Anne


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 somebody mentioned that you could use control-f2 to open the Apple menu. is 
 there an alternate keystroke like that for getting the context menu to come 
 up? 
 
 also, is there a keystroke in safari for going to the bottom of the web page? 
 
 Thanks.
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keystrokes

[Lorie McCloud]

somebody mentioned that you could use control-f2 to open the Apple menu. is 
there an alternate keystroke like that for getting the context menu to come up? 

also, is there a keystroke in safari for going to the bottom of the web page? 

Thanks.
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Re: keystrokes

[Alex Hall]

The context menu has no keystroke, but you could use a keyboard or trackpad 
commander to make it faster.

To jump to the bottom of a webpage, use the normal cmd-down arrow,just like in 
documents. This is on Yosemite and later; if it fails, use vo-shift-end. On 
keyboards that lack the six pack of keys, function-right is the End key. So, 
the keystroke would be vo-shift-fn-right. You need to be interacting with the 
HTML content for either of these to work.
 On Jan 2, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 somebody mentioned that you could use control-f2 to open the Apple menu. is 
 there an alternate keystroke like that for getting the context menu to come 
 up? 
 
 also, is there a keystroke in safari for going to the bottom of the web page? 
 
 Thanks.
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Most commonly used keystrokes

[Feliciano G]

Hi, I recently acquired a MacBook Pro about two months ago. This is my first 
time using a Mac, what are the most common Lee used keystrokes? I know there is 
a list of them on the Internet, but I would like to know what are your personal 
most commonly used keystrokes. If you can list what  they are and what the 
keystroke is I would really appreciate it. This would help me learn how to use 
the  Mac. I just updated the laptop to Mavericks yesterday.

  Regards, Feliciano
Twitter: @Theblindman12v www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 

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Re: Most commonly used keystrokes

['David Goldfield' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.
Well, I'm sure that everyone will have different responses to your question.
First and foremost, I'd encourage you to use Voiceover's keyboard help 
mode, similar to the mode found in Windows Screen readers. 
Control-option-K or VO and K turns it on; escape turns it off.
In this mode, you can press keys to find out what they do, including 
keys for Voiceover.  When I was first learning how to use the Mac, I 
used this mode to try out any combination I could think of.  As an 
example, try pressing vo A, vo B, Vo d, etc. to hear voiceover describe 
the function of that particular hotkey. Also, try using other modifier 
keys along with the VO key, such as vo shift D, vo command left arrow, etc.
I also use quicknav a  lot while reading, which lets you move around 
with arrow keys without the need to hold the ctrl and option keys.  
Press left arrow and right arrow simultaneously to turn it onn; remember 
to turn it off while you're writing text on the Web, such as when 
entering your name and password on a Web site.



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Hi, I recently acquired a MacBook Pro about two months ago. This is my first 
time using a Mac, what are the most common Lee used keystrokes? I know there is 
a list of them on the Internet, but I would like to know what are your personal 
most commonly used keystrokes. If you can list what  they are and what the 
keystroke is I would really appreciate it. This would help me learn how to use 
the  Mac. I just updated the laptop to Mavericks yesterday.

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Re: Most commonly used keystrokes

[Robert C]

   This is rather arbitrary. I would just use that list and find your 
own preferred keystrokes.


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On 6/28/2014 9:47 AM, Feliciano G wrote:

Hi, I recently acquired a MacBook Pro about two months ago. This is my first 
time using a Mac, what are the most common Lee used keystrokes? I know there is 
a list of them on the Internet, but I would like to know what are your personal 
most commonly used keystrokes. If you can list what  they are and what the 
keystroke is I would really appreciate it. This would help me learn how to use 
the  Mac. I just updated the laptop to Mavericks yesterday.

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Re: Most commonly used keystrokes

[Feliciano G]

Hi, I have been using that keyboard help. My intention was to get different 
keystrokes from different people. Thanks for the tip regarding quick nap, I 
didn't know that.

  Regards, Feliciano

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 Hi.
 Well, I'm sure that everyone will have different responses to your question.
 First and foremost, I'd encourage you to use Voiceover's keyboard help mode, 
 similar to the mode found in Windows Screen readers. Control-option-K or VO 
 and K turns it on; escape turns it off.
 In this mode, you can press keys to find out what they do, including keys for 
 Voiceover.  When I was first learning how to use the Mac, I used this mode to 
 try out any combination I could think of.  As an example, try pressing vo A, 
 vo B, Vo d, etc. to hear voiceover describe the function of that particular 
 hotkey. Also, try using other modifier keys along with the VO key, such as vo 
 shift D, vo command left arrow, etc.
 I also use quicknav a  lot while reading, which lets you move around with 
 arrow keys without the need to hold the ctrl and option keys.  Press left 
 arrow and right arrow simultaneously to turn it onn; remember to turn it off 
 while you're writing text on the Web, such as when entering your name and 
 password on a Web site.
 
 
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 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and Visually 
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 On 6/28/2014 12:47 PM, Feliciano G wrote:
 Hi, I recently acquired a MacBook Pro about two months ago. This is my first 
 time using a Mac, what are the most common Lee used keystrokes? I know there 
 is a list of them on the Internet, but I would like to know what are your 
 personal most commonly used keystrokes. If you can list what  they are and 
 what the keystroke is I would really appreciate it. This would help me learn 
 how to use the  Mac. I just updated the laptop to Mavericks yesterday.
 
   Regards, Feliciano
 Twitter: @Theblindman12v www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Morning Teresa.

I have one question for you. How will you handel downloads if you just use an I 
Pad? What will you do if someone sent you a download?

Kawal.

 On 19 Jun 2014, at 02:43 am, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Alex. My thought is that the touch-screen feedback will for the most 
 part make up for the lack of window information. Between the touch-screen, 
 Braille display, and keyboard, it seems like I'd be comfortable with the 
 amount of feedback I would get.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Many do, and the non-VO keystrokes for navigating and manipulating text are 
 identical. Basic navigation (vo-left/right/space) and reading (vo-a/w/c) are 
 the same, but the iOS platform lacks many advanced keystrokes. For instance, 
 hotspots/webstpots, vi-key lock, focus/cursor/window information, etc.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[David Chittenden]

The MacBook Air does have fans. The fans run occasionally. The holes for the 
fan are concealed behind the hinge. 

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Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Jun 2014, at 14:03, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 One consideration is that, aside from battery life and a few iPad-only apps, 
 the iPad offers no significant advantages (that I can think of) over the 
 iPod. At the least, they are identical in terms of VO keystrokes, so hook a 
 keyboard to the iPod and see what you think. I believe you said you have an 
 iPod - if not, ignore me. smile
 
 No, command-tab won't work, but go-h is your home button; press h twice while 
 holding down the vo keys and you are in the App Switcher. It is kind of 
 similar to the Application Chooser on the Mac. Certainly it is far less 
 convenient, but the option is there.
 
 I like having a full computer for apps the iOS platform can't run (Xcode, 
 some nice Youtube apps, etc) but those aren't a concern for you. However, 
 someone mentioned external drives, and that's a great point. Also, iOS lacks 
 commanders, so no assigning frequently used actions or even ApleScripts to 
 gestures or keystrokes. Overall, because of the shortcut key support in apps 
 Not necessarily in VO) I find the Mac or a Windows machine more efficient to 
 use. That's just me though.
 
 Finally, the new Macbook Airs, and even the Pros from the brief times I've 
 felt them, have very little in the way of vents or other holes. They use 
 solid state drives, so have no moving internal parts except for some 
 amazingly quiet fans you really can't access (the Airs seem to have no fans, 
 but I could be wrong). Debris, then, is really not as much of a concern, and 
 of course they make a myriad of cases for all these devices.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
 Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
 Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move 
 to the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
 Command+Tab to switch   between open applications. If you are in an edit 
 box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.
 
 Ryan
 Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[David Chittenden]

Yes, this is my experience. The touchscreen feedback has caused me to become 
rather quicker on webpages and such. A friend is a teacher for the visually 
impaired. She has a few ten through twelve y/o blind kids who are unbelievably 
quick with the iPad. One of them is faster than any blind person either of us 
has observed on a computer. 

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 On 19 Jun 2014, at 13:43, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Alex. My thought is that the touch-screen feedback will for the most 
 part make up for the lack of window information. Between the touch-screen, 
 Braille display, and keyboard, it seems like I'd be comfortable with the 
 amount of feedback I would get.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Many do, and the non-VO keystrokes for navigating and manipulating text are 
 identical. Basic navigation (vo-left/right/space) and reading (vo-a/w/c) are 
 the same, but the iOS platform lacks many advanced keystrokes. For instance, 
 hotspots/webstpots, vi-key lock, focus/cursor/window information, etc.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Kawal,

Many common file types will open in iOS. If it's sent either as a link or an 
attachment, such as pdf, etc., I will be able to open it. The publications I 
write for are pdf.

Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

 On Jun 19, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Morning Teresa.
 
 I have one question for you. How will you handel downloads if you just use an 
 I Pad? What will you do if someone sent you a download?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 19 Jun 2014, at 02:43 am, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Alex. My thought is that the touch-screen feedback will for the most 
 part make up for the lack of window information. Between the touch-screen, 
 Braille display, and keyboard, it seems like I'd be comfortable with the 
 amount of feedback I would get.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Many do, and the non-VO keystrokes for navigating and manipulating text are 
 identical. Basic navigation (vo-left/right/space) and reading (vo-a/w/c) 
 are the same, but the iOS platform lacks many advanced keystrokes. For 
 instance, hotspots/webstpots, vi-key lock, focus/cursor/window information, 
 etc.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Don't forget the sound quality which is superior on the iPad than any 
other iOS device. Recent iPads come with stereo speakers as well.


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www.hadley.edu

On 19/06/2014 03:03, Alex Hall wrote:

One consideration is that, aside from battery life and a few iPad-only apps, the iPad 
offers no significant advantages (that I can think of) over the iPod. At the least, 
they are identical in terms of VO keystrokes, so hook a keyboard to the iPod and see 
what you think. I believe you said you have an iPod - if not, ignore me. smile

No, command-tab won't work, but go-h is your home button; press h twice while 
holding down the vo keys and you are in the App Switcher. It is kind of similar 
to the Application Chooser on the Mac. Certainly it is far less convenient, but 
the option is there.

I like having a full computer for apps the iOS platform can't run (Xcode, some 
nice Youtube apps, etc) but those aren't a concern for you. However, someone 
mentioned external drives, and that's a great point. Also, iOS lacks 
commanders, so no assigning frequently used actions or even ApleScripts to 
gestures or keystrokes. Overall, because of the shortcut key support in apps 
Not necessarily in VO) I find the Mac or a Windows machine more efficient to 
use. That's just me though.

Finally, the new Macbook Airs, and even the Pros from the brief times I've felt 
them, have very little in the way of vents or other holes. They use solid state 
drives, so have no moving internal parts except for some amazingly quiet fans 
you really can't access (the Airs seem to have no fans, but I could be wrong). 
Debris, then, is really not as much of a concern, and of course they make a 
myriad of cases for all these devices.
On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:


A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move to 
the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
Command+Tab to switch  between open applications. If you are in an edit 
box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.

Ryan
Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

Hi, all,

If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's destined 
for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a keyboard with 
it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my iPod 5th gen and 
iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO functions work the same 
with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text selection, etc.?

Thanks,
Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

I actually have a set of computer speakers with a subwoofer that sound and work 
great with my iPod. I haven't heard the iPad built-in speakers yet. They'll 
probably come in handy as a backup.

Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

 On Jun 19, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don't forget the sound quality which is superior on the iPad than any other 
 iOS device. Recent iPads come with stereo speakers as well.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 19/06/2014 03:03, Alex Hall wrote:
 One consideration is that, aside from battery life and a few iPad-only apps, 
 the iPad offers no significant advantages (that I can think of) over the 
 iPod. At the least, they are identical in terms of VO keystrokes, so hook a 
 keyboard to the iPod and see what you think. I believe you said you have an 
 iPod - if not, ignore me. smile
 
 No, command-tab won't work, but go-h is your home button; press h twice 
 while holding down the vo keys and you are in the App Switcher. It is kind 
 of similar to the Application Chooser on the Mac. Certainly it is far less 
 convenient, but the option is there.
 
 I like having a full computer for apps the iOS platform can't run (Xcode, 
 some nice Youtube apps, etc) but those aren't a concern for you. However, 
 someone mentioned external drives, and that's a great point. Also, iOS lacks 
 commanders, so no assigning frequently used actions or even ApleScripts to 
 gestures or keystrokes. Overall, because of the shortcut key support in apps 
 Not necessarily in VO) I find the Mac or a Windows machine more efficient to 
 use. That's just me though.
 
 Finally, the new Macbook Airs, and even the Pros from the brief times I've 
 felt them, have very little in the way of vents or other holes. They use 
 solid state drives, so have no moving internal parts except for some 
 amazingly quiet fans you really can't access (the Airs seem to have no fans, 
 but I could be wrong). Debris, then, is really not as much of a concern, and 
 of course they make a myriad of cases for all these devices.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left 
 and Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left 
 and Up Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow 
 to move to the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS 
 is hit Command+Tab to switchbetween open applications. If you are in an 
 edit box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on 
 Mac OS.
 
 Ryan
 Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's destined 
for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a keyboard with 
it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my iPod 5th gen and 
iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO functions work the same 
with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text selection, etc.?

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Alex Hall]

Many do, and the non-VO keystrokes for navigating and manipulating text are 
identical. Basic navigation (vo-left/right/space) and reading (vo-a/w/c) are 
the same, but the iOS platform lacks many advanced keystrokes. For instance, 
hotspots/webstpots, vi-key lock, focus/cursor/window information, etc.
On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text 
 selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Thanks, Alex. My thought is that the touch-screen feedback will for the most 
part make up for the lack of window information. Between the touch-screen, 
Braille display, and keyboard, it seems like I'd be comfortable with the amount 
of feedback I would get.

Thanks,
Teresa


Winging its way from my iPod

 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Many do, and the non-VO keystrokes for navigating and manipulating text are 
 identical. Basic navigation (vo-left/right/space) and reading (vo-a/w/c) are 
 the same, but the iOS platform lacks many advanced keystrokes. For instance, 
 hotspots/webstpots, vi-key lock, focus/cursor/window information, etc.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text 
 selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Ryan Mann]

A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move to 
the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
Command+Tab to switch  between open applications. If you are in an edit 
box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.
 
Ryan
Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text 
 selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Alex Hall]

One consideration is that, aside from battery life and a few iPad-only apps, 
the iPad offers no significant advantages (that I can think of) over the iPod. 
At the least, they are identical in terms of VO keystrokes, so hook a keyboard 
to the iPod and see what you think. I believe you said you have an iPod - if 
not, ignore me. smile

No, command-tab won't work, but go-h is your home button; press h twice while 
holding down the vo keys and you are in the App Switcher. It is kind of similar 
to the Application Chooser on the Mac. Certainly it is far less convenient, but 
the option is there.

I like having a full computer for apps the iOS platform can't run (Xcode, some 
nice Youtube apps, etc) but those aren't a concern for you. However, someone 
mentioned external drives, and that's a great point. Also, iOS lacks 
commanders, so no assigning frequently used actions or even ApleScripts to 
gestures or keystrokes. Overall, because of the shortcut key support in apps 
Not necessarily in VO) I find the Mac or a Windows machine more efficient to 
use. That's just me though.

Finally, the new Macbook Airs, and even the Pros from the brief times I've felt 
them, have very little in the way of vents or other holes. They use solid state 
drives, so have no moving internal parts except for some amazingly quiet fans 
you really can't access (the Airs seem to have no fans, but I could be wrong). 
Debris, then, is really not as much of a concern, and of course they make a 
myriad of cases for all these devices.
On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:

 A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
 Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
 Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move to 
 the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
 Command+Tab to switchbetween open applications. If you are in an edit 
 box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.
 
 Ryan
 Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text 
 selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hmmm, thanks, Alex, that's an excellent suggestion.

Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

 On Jun 18, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 One consideration is that, aside from battery life and a few iPad-only apps, 
 the iPad offers no significant advantages (that I can think of) over the 
 iPod. At the least, they are identical in terms of VO keystrokes, so hook a 
 keyboard to the iPod and see what you think. I believe you said you have an 
 iPod - if not, ignore me. smile
 
 No, command-tab won't work, but go-h is your home button; press h twice while 
 holding down the vo keys and you are in the App Switcher. It is kind of 
 similar to the Application Chooser on the Mac. Certainly it is far less 
 convenient, but the option is there.
 
 I like having a full computer for apps the iOS platform can't run (Xcode, 
 some nice Youtube apps, etc) but those aren't a concern for you. However, 
 someone mentioned external drives, and that's a great point. Also, iOS lacks 
 commanders, so no assigning frequently used actions or even ApleScripts to 
 gestures or keystrokes. Overall, because of the shortcut key support in apps 
 Not necessarily in VO) I find the Mac or a Windows machine more efficient to 
 use. That's just me though.
 
 Finally, the new Macbook Airs, and even the Pros from the brief times I've 
 felt them, have very little in the way of vents or other holes. They use 
 solid state drives, so have no moving internal parts except for some 
 amazingly quiet fans you really can't access (the Airs seem to have no fans, 
 but I could be wrong). Debris, then, is really not as much of a concern, and 
 of course they make a myriad of cases for all these devices.
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
 Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
 Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move 
 to the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
 Command+Tab to switch   between open applications. If you are in an edit 
 box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.
 
 Ryan
 Follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
 replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
 destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
 keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
 iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
 functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, 
 text selection, etc.?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Jenine Stanley]

The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :) 

He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the password 
edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of the security 
feature of just making sounds. 

I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or system 
preferences I saw this option. 

Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup? 

Thanks. 

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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Jessica]

hi,
the use voiceover on the login screen requires that you or your husband be the 
dmim. if you go into system preferences, you'll find it under login options.

Jessica
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On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:

 The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
 accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :) 
 
 He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the 
 password edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of 
 the security feature of just making sounds. 
 
 I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or system 
 preferences I saw this option. 
 
 Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup? 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Jenine Stanley]

Giant thanks Jessica. 

Now I recall that and need to set him up as the Admin. Unlike my laptop, this 
one will only have the one log in. 
Jenine Stanley
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 hi,
 the use voiceover on the login screen requires that you or your husband be 
 the dmim. if you go into system preferences, you'll find it under login 
 options.
 
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
 accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :) 
 
 He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the 
 password edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of 
 the security feature of just making sounds. 
 
 I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or 
 system preferences I saw this option. 
 
 Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup? 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Chris H]

Hi
I don't believe you can get VoiceOver to speak in password edit fields 
which makes a whole lot of sense. To enable VoiceOver at startup this is 
not necessary once command-f5 is invoked. Once VoiceOver is on it 
remains on until turned off with the same keystroke. Now to have 
VoiceOver speak at the log in you need to open System Preferences, Users 
and Groups and interact with the log in items category in the table shown.


Regards Chris

On 13/02/2014 19:36, Jenine Stanley wrote:

The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :)

He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the password 
edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of the security 
feature of just making sounds.

I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or system 
preferences I saw this option.

Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup?

Thanks.

Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com





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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Ray Foret Jr]

Forget it.  Voice Over will only click when you type in a  password field.  
That is a security feature and cannot be changed.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:

 The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
 accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :) 
 
 He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the 
 password edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of 
 the security feature of just making sounds. 
 
 I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or system 
 preferences I saw this option. 
 
 Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup? 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks Chris. Now I just have to get the password that was set for this machine 
to go in as Admin and life will be good. 

I understand the reasoning behind having no speech with passwords and generally 
I have my computers set this way but my dear spouse does not. His logic is that 
his computers remain in the Man Cave and no one goes into said Man Cave but me 
so why not be able to hear what one is typing? All righty then. 

Type carefully I say. :)
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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 Hi
 I don't believe you can get VoiceOver to speak in password edit fields which 
 makes a whole lot of sense. To enable VoiceOver at startup this is not 
 necessary once command-f5 is invoked. Once VoiceOver is on it remains on 
 until turned off with the same keystroke. Now to have VoiceOver speak at the 
 log in you need to open System Preferences, Users and Groups and interact 
 with the log in items category in the table shown.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 13/02/2014 19:36, Jenine Stanley wrote:
 The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
 accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :)
 
 He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the 
 password edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of 
 the security feature of just making sounds.
 
 I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or 
 system preferences I saw this option.
 
 Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display.
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Re: speaking keystrokes in password edit boxes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If that was the only user you set up on the computer, then it will 
automatically be an Admin user.  The initial user created during the setup 
process is always an Admin user.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Chris. Now I just have to get the password that was set for this 
 machine to go in as Admin and life will be good. 
 
 I understand the reasoning behind having no speech with passwords and 
 generally I have my computers set this way but my dear spouse does not. His 
 logic is that his computers remain in the Man Cave and no one goes into said 
 Man Cave but me so why not be able to hear what one is typing? All righty 
 then. 
 
 Type carefully I say. :)
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi
 I don't believe you can get VoiceOver to speak in password edit fields which 
 makes a whole lot of sense. To enable VoiceOver at startup this is not 
 necessary once command-f5 is invoked. Once VoiceOver is on it remains on 
 until turned off with the same keystroke. Now to have VoiceOver speak at the 
 log in you need to open System Preferences, Users and Groups and interact 
 with the log in items category in the table shown.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 13/02/2014 19:36, Jenine Stanley wrote:
 The iMac setup went fine, save for a few glitches when setting up the email 
 accounts. My dear spouse only has 5 of them. :)
 
 He did ask me if there is any way to change the behavior of VO in the 
 password edit boxes. He wants it to read what he's typing there instead of 
 the security feature of just making sounds.
 
 I could not think for the life of me where in either the VO utility or 
 system preferences I saw this option.
 
 Also, where do I check so that VO comes on automatically at startup?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Oh and he loves, loves, loves the retina display.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: Newbie tip: some useful (mainstream) keystrokes

[Traci]

Thanks for this.  I've often wished there was a Mac Keyboard practice, like 
there is for vo.

Traci
Sent by Macbook Air Mail

On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Here's another tip I wish I'd known about a long time ago. Note that the 
 below keystrokes use the f keys, so on a macbook or apple keyboard you may 
 need to hold down the function key, depending on your settings. Also, none of 
 these requires Voiceover to be on, which is why I said they are mainstream. 
 While I know we are all vo users, these are good to know if vo quits on you, 
 if a sighted person likes using the keyboard and asks how you get around 
 without a mouse, if you simply find one of these more convenient, and so 
 forth. So, here we go:
 Control-f2: go to menu bar (same as vo-m)
 ctrl-f3: go to dock (same as vo-d)
 ctrl-f4: move between open applications (same as cmd-tab, add shift to go 
 backward)
 ctrl-f5: move to or from toolbar, if present
 ctrl-f8: go to status menus (same as vo-m twice)
 So, now you know. I like the ctrl-f5 command, and I often use ctrl-f3 to go 
 to the dock because it's easier to find than fo-d, but that's just me. Again, 
 though, these are not dependent on Voiceover being on, though cmd-tab is not 
 either so I don't know why apple included a second application switching 
 command.
 
 
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Re: Newbie tip: some useful (mainstream) keystrokes

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Alex. Thanks for prviding these keystrokes. Please tell us how you found 
then. Thanks so much.

On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Here's another tip I wish I'd known about a long time ago. Note that the 
 below keystrokes use the f keys, so on a macbook or apple keyboard you may 
 need to hold down the function key, depending on your settings. Also, none of 
 these requires Voiceover to be on, which is why I said they are mainstream. 
 While I know we are all vo users, these are good to know if vo quits on you, 
 if a sighted person likes using the keyboard and asks how you get around 
 without a mouse, if you simply find one of these more convenient, and so 
 forth. So, here we go:
 Control-f2: go to menu bar (same as vo-m)
 ctrl-f3: go to dock (same as vo-d)
 ctrl-f4: move between open applications (same as cmd-tab, add shift to go 
 backward)
 ctrl-f5: move to or from toolbar, if present
 ctrl-f8: go to status menus (same as vo-m twice)
 So, now you know. I like the ctrl-f5 command, and I often use ctrl-f3 to go 
 to the dock because it's easier to find than fo-d, but that's just me. Again, 
 though, these are not dependent on Voiceover being on, though cmd-tab is not 
 either so I don't know why apple included a second application switching 
 command.
 
 
 Have a great day,
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Re: Newbie tip: some useful (mainstream) keystrokes

[Alex Hall]

A few weeks ago I emailed the list a link I found to a page of mac keyboard 
shortcuts. I just emailed the ones I didn't know about that I find myself 
using, but there are plenty of other ones, including some nice restart/shutdown 
commands involving modifier keys and the eject key. I don't use them, though, 
as my keyboard is a windows style one and so lacks an eject key. In case you 
missed it, here's the link again:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
On Oct 22, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote:

 Hello Alex. Thanks for prviding these keystrokes. Please tell us how you 
 found then. Thanks so much.
 
 On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Here's another tip I wish I'd known about a long time ago. Note that the 
 below keystrokes use the f keys, so on a macbook or apple keyboard you may 
 need to hold down the function key, depending on your settings. Also, none 
 of these requires Voiceover to be on, which is why I said they are 
 mainstream. While I know we are all vo users, these are good to know if vo 
 quits on you, if a sighted person likes using the keyboard and asks how you 
 get around without a mouse, if you simply find one of these more convenient, 
 and so forth. So, here we go:
 Control-f2: go to menu bar (same as vo-m)
 ctrl-f3: go to dock (same as vo-d)
 ctrl-f4: move between open applications (same as cmd-tab, add shift to go 
 backward)
 ctrl-f5: move to or from toolbar, if present
 ctrl-f8: go to status menus (same as vo-m twice)
 So, now you know. I like the ctrl-f5 command, and I often use ctrl-f3 to go 
 to the dock because it's easier to find than fo-d, but that's just me. 
 Again, though, these are not dependent on Voiceover being on, though cmd-tab 
 is not either so I don't know why apple included a second application 
 switching command.
 
 
 Have a great day,
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Newbie tip: some useful (mainstream) keystrokes

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Here's another tip I wish I'd known about a long time ago. Note that the below 
keystrokes use the f keys, so on a macbook or apple keyboard you may need to 
hold down the function key, depending on your settings. Also, none of these 
requires Voiceover to be on, which is why I said they are mainstream. While I 
know we are all vo users, these are good to know if vo quits on you, if a 
sighted person likes using the keyboard and asks how you get around without a 
mouse, if you simply find one of these more convenient, and so forth. So, here 
we go:
Control-f2: go to menu bar (same as vo-m)
ctrl-f3: go to dock (same as vo-d)
ctrl-f4: move between open applications (same as cmd-tab, add shift to go 
backward)
ctrl-f5: move to or from toolbar, if present
ctrl-f8: go to status menus (same as vo-m twice)
So, now you know. I like the ctrl-f5 command, and I often use ctrl-f3 to go to 
the dock because it's easier to find than fo-d, but that's just me. Again, 
though, these are not dependent on Voiceover being on, though cmd-tab is not 
either so I don't know why apple included a second application switching 
command.


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disappearing keystrokes?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I've noticed that, once every few days, a few keystrokes will not register. For 
instance, my email about sharing music over my home network had the subject 
sharedia over local network, but I had actually written sharing media over 
local network. What is going on here? I have keyboard echo completely off, so 
I should hear any busy messages that might block typing. However, I not only 
hear no such messages, but I also have found that, when an app is busy and I am 
typing, it fills in what I wrote after it stops being busy. Is it just me and 
my minuscule amount of ram (2gb  on a 2011 mini), or is something else perhaps 
going on? Thanks.


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Re: disappearing keystrokes?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

I think it's due to the ram. 


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I've noticed that, once every few days, a few keystrokes will not register. 
 For instance, my email about sharing music over my home network had the 
 subject sharedia over local network, but I had actually written sharing 
 media over local network. What is going on here? I have keyboard echo 
 completely off, so I should hear any busy messages that might block typing. 
 However, I not only hear no such messages, but I also have found that, when 
 an app is busy and I am typing, it fills in what I wrote after it stops being 
 busy. Is it just me and my minuscule amount of ram (2gb  on a 2011 mini), or 
 is something else perhaps going on? Thanks.
 
 
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VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes

[Daniel Montalvo]

Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not
respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back
using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick
nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to
apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out
the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific
kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody
has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if
you want.  If not, I'll keep on researching.

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Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes

[Alex Hall]

I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting 
with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly 
happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo charad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not
 respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back
 using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick
 nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to
 apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out
 the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific
 kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody
 has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if
 you want.  If not, I'll keep on researching.
 
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Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes

[Daniel]

Hi Alex:

I forgot to mention that it happens in Safari only, where it is not necessary 
to interact. What I do to reproduce the bug is the following:


1. Go to a web page that has tables.
2. Get to one of them by using the VO command for next or previous table.
3. Move through   the table using the apropiate commands.
4. Try to exit the table by using VO + left arrow, the left arrow when quick 
nav is on or the one finger  left flick in the trackpad.

What sometimes happens to me is that VO is not able to exit the table. It says 
Beginning of row and it's not able to go back. The only way I manage to go 
back is by hiting Shift + Tab, which leaves me in the previous focussable item.

Well, if you want give it a try.


El 31/07/2012, a las 14:38, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com escribió:

 I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting 
 with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly 
 happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem?
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo charad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not
 respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back
 using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick
 nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to
 apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out
 the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific
 kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody
 has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if
 you want.  If not, I'll keep on researching.
 
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keystrokes?

[KliphSharrie]

Okay, I'm use to being able to do certain keystrokes to accomplish certain 
things.  For example, to correct a word during spell check was alt C, to choose 
the account I wanted to send from was alt M, and to check how many unread 
messages were in a folder was insert page down.  Are there similar keystrokes 
in mail?  I've googled this, and searched through the documentation and menus, 
but haven't been able to locate it.  Thanks.
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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Esther]

-select them with VO-Command-Space.  You can also arrange items 
 so that you take the minimum number of actions by either filtering the 
 results (e.g., in Finder, use Command-Option-F to move to the search field, 
 and type in terms to match, thus cutting down the listed results), and/or 
 sorting the list of the displayed items (e.g., if I wanted the 5 most recent 
 files with a certain name, I'd type the name in the search field, then after 
 interacting with the table I might navigate to the Last Opened column and 
 sort with VO-Shift-Backslash (on an English input keyboard; in another 
 language I might have to use VO-H-H and look for the sort command under the 
 tables menu entry)).  If you don't find the view parameter you want to make 
 sorting easy, you can always add it to your table by bringing up the View 
 Options (Command-J) and checking what you want (e.g. Date Created, Date 
 Modified, etc.) -- even just for temporary display and use.  I find that 
 with the combination of filtering and sorting, I can often get away without 
 having to do non-contiguous selections, and when I do need to select 
 non-contiguous items in a list, I can cut down my work.  Often I can just 
 filter a result, select all (Command-A), and then modify by de-selecting the 
 few items that I don't want .
 
 If you want to read an example of selecting non-contiguously, with 
 step-by-step instructions in order, and all the other tips in the same place 
 (including the tips about locking VoiceOver keys and using VO-F6 to check), 
 try reading the following posts from the archive:
 • Tips on on Non-Contiguous Selection [was Re: selecting specific tracks in 
 itunes]:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05301.html  
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On May 13, 2011, at 05:24, Colin M wrote:
 
 Hi there!
 Oops! Me Bad!
 The lock vo keys command is!
 vo+semi colon 
 Sorry about that :]
 Colin
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
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 From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
 Date: 13 May 2011 16:16:43 GMT+01:00
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?
 
 Hi Rose!
 Further to what Tim said!
 After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with 
 command+semi colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and 
 when you've got to one of the items to select then just press command+space!
 You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
 forget to unlock vo keys with the same command as you used to lock them!
 And put on cursor tracking!
 hth Colin
 Qapla!
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
 On 13 May 2011, at 02:03, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
 Hi Rose,
 
 To select non-contiguous items:
 
 1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
 2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
 3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
 4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been 
 selected.
 5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as 
 leaving it off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've 
 forgot.  Yes I speak from experience.
 
 To Deselect all:
 
 • I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the 
 following:
 
 1.  close the specific window then re-open.
 
 or 
 
 
 2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or 
 down in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  
 Next, press VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing 
 will be selected within that area anymore.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know 
 them, but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and 
 I've been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
 understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple 
 items. I know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking 
 for something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to 
 select multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, 
 perhaps I want to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let 
 me check the items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which 
 will deselect everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or 
 list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
 Rose
 

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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Colin M]

Hi Rose!
Further to what Tim said!
After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got to 
one of the items to select then just press command+space!
You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
forget to unlock vo keys with the same command as you used to lock them!
And put on cursor tracking!
hth Colin
Qapla!
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 13 May 2011, at 02:03, Tim Kilburn wrote:

 Hi Rose,
 
 To select non-contiguous items:
 
 1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
 2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
 3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
 4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been 
 selected.
 5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as leaving 
 it off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've forgot.  Yes 
 I speak from experience.
 
 To Deselect all:
 
 • I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the following:
 
 1.  close the specific window then re-open.
 
 or 
 
 
 2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or down 
 in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  Next, press 
 VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing will be 
 selected within that area anymore.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
 but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've 
 been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
 understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I 
 know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
 something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
 multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
 to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
 items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
 everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
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Fwd: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Colin M]

Hi there!
Oops! Me Bad!
The lock vo keys command is!
vo+semi colon 
Sorry about that :]
Colin
I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
 Date: 13 May 2011 16:16:43 GMT+01:00
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?
 
 Hi Rose!
 Further to what Tim said!
 After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
 colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got to 
 one of the items to select then just press command+space!
 You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
 forget to unlock vo keys with the same command as you used to lock them!
 And put on cursor tracking!
 hth Colin
 Qapla!
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
 On 13 May 2011, at 02:03, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
 Hi Rose,
 
 To select non-contiguous items:
 
 1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
 2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
 3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
 4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been 
 selected.
 5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as leaving 
 it off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've forgot.  Yes 
 I speak from experience.
 
 To Deselect all:
 
 • I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the following:
 
 1.  close the specific window then re-open.
 
 or 
 
 
 2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or 
 down in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  Next, 
 press VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing will be 
 selected within that area anymore.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know 
 them, but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and 
 I've been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
 understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. 
 I know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
 something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
 multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
 to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
 items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
 everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Esther]

Hi Rose,

Tim and Colin have already given you an answer on how to select non-contiguous 
items in a list, by turning cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3) and using 
VO-Command-Space. (And I'll just add to what both of them said that the usual 
gotcha is to remember to turn cursor tracking back on again with another 
VO-Shift-F3 when you're done.)  Tim already implied this in his answer, but the 
VO-Command-Space key sequence you use to select is a toggle action, and can be 
used to de-select any items that have been selected.  And as Colin has 
answered, you can check the items that are selected at any time with VO-F6, so 
if you find that you need to make an adjustment, just navigate to the object 
you want to de-select, and use VO-Command-Space again.

Colin also gave you the hint that if you are in a very long list of items 
(e.g., in Finder, or perhaps in the Songs table of iTunes where you are 
selecting tracks for a playlist that you will create with the Command-Shift-N 
New Playlist from Selection shortcut) it is convenient to lock your VoiceOver 
keys (VO-Semi-colon), and then just arrow up and down the list pressing 
Command-Space to select/deselect and F6 to check your selection (and then 
possibly turn cursor tracking back on with Shift-F3, or if you have pressed 
Semi-colon to turn lock off first, use the full VO-Shift-F3).

To deselect all items, I would use the second method that Tim outlines: with 
cursor tracking on, I move to an item, which selects it (and if you have cursor 
tracking on, only the item you have moved to will be selected.)  Then I would 
use VO-Command-Space to de-select that item, and check with VO-F6 that nothing 
was selected.  In practice, just turning cursor tracking on gets you out of the 
multiple selection issue.  Similarly, the other way that people select multiple 
items (in contiguous blocks, without turning cursor tracking off) is to simply 
hold down the Shift key as they arrow down the list.  Again, you can check what 
you selected with VO-F6.  The fact that selection is a toggle action means that 
you can be creative about how you select items.  For example, if you want to 
select nearly everything in a contiguous list, except for one or two items, you 
can hold down your Shift key and arrow up or down.  Then you can turn cursor 
tracking off (VO-Shift-F3), navigate to the few items you want to de-select 
(VO-Up or Down arrow), and de-select them with VO-Command-Space.  You can also 
arrange items so that you take the minimum number of actions by either 
filtering the results (e.g., in Finder, use Command-Option-F to move to the 
search field, and type in terms to match, thus cutting down the listed 
results), and/or sorting the list of the displayed items (e.g., if I wanted the 
5 most recent files with a certain name, I'd type the name in the search field, 
then after interacting with the table I might navigate to the Last Opened 
column and sort with VO-Shift-Backslash (on an English input keyboard; in 
another language I might have to use VO-H-H and look for the sort command under 
the tables menu entry)).  If you don't find the view parameter you want to make 
sorting easy, you can always add it to your table by bringing up the View 
Options (Command-J) and checking what you want (e.g. Date Created, Date 
Modified, etc.) -- even just for temporary display and use.  I find that with 
the combination of filtering and sorting, I can often get away without having 
to do non-contiguous selections, and when I do need to select non-contiguous 
items in a list, I can cut down my work.  Often I can just filter a result, 
select all (Command-A), and then modify by de-selecting the few items that I 
don't want .

If you want to read an example of selecting non-contiguously, with step-by-step 
instructions in order, and all the other tips in the same place (including the 
tips about locking VoiceOver keys and using VO-F6 to check), try reading the 
following posts from the archive:
• Tips on on Non-Contiguous Selection [was Re: selecting specific tracks in 
itunes]:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05301.html  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 13, 2011, at 05:24, Colin M wrote:

 Hi there!
 Oops! Me Bad!
 The lock vo keys command is!
 vo+semi colon 
 Sorry about that :]
 Colin
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
 Date: 13 May 2011 16:16:43 GMT+01:00
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?
 
 Hi Rose!
 Further to what Tim said!
 After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
 colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got 
 to one of the items to select then just press command+space!
 You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
 forget to unlock vo keys with the same command

Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Rose Morales]

Hi all,
There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've been 
involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough understanding of 
Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I know shift up and 
down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for something more complex. The 
keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select multiple items at once which are 
not in order. For instance, perhaps I want to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. 
This keystroke will let me check the items I want. Also, I'm looking for 
another keystroke which will deselect everything. That is to say, I want no 
items in a folder or list selected.
Any help would be appreciated.
Rose

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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi Rose:
Are you thinking of command a to select all, and vo shift f3 to turn off curser 
tracking and using arrows and space to select?
On May 12, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
 but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've been 
 involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough understanding of 
 Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I know shift up and 
 down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for something more complex. The 
 keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select multiple items at once which 
 are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, 
 and 9. This keystroke will let me check the items I want. Also, I'm looking 
 for another keystroke which will deselect everything. That is to say, I want 
 no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
 Rose
 
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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Rose Morales]

Hi Sarai,
Command-a selects all, yes, but it doesn't deselect everything. Meaning, I 
don't want anything selected.

I tried your arrows and space trick. Space on an item brings up a quick look 
panel.

On May 12, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Hi Rose:
 Are you thinking of command a to select all, and vo shift f3 to turn off 
 curser tracking and using arrows and space to select?
 On May 12, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
 but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've 
 been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
 understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I 
 know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
 something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
 multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
 to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
 items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
 everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Rose,

To select non-contiguous items:

1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been selected.
5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as leaving it 
off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've forgot.  Yes I 
speak from experience.

To Deselect all:

• I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the following:

1.  close the specific window then re-open.

or 


2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or down 
in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  Next, press 
VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing will be selected 
within that area anymore.

HTH.

Later...

On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
 but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've been 
 involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough understanding of 
 Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I know shift up and 
 down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for something more complex. The 
 keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select multiple items at once which 
 are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, 
 and 9. This keystroke will let me check the items I want. Also, I'm looking 
 for another keystroke which will deselect everything. That is to say, I want 
 no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sorry Rosie, I thought you wrote select.
On May 12, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

 Hi Sarai,
 Command-a selects all, yes, but it doesn't deselect everything. Meaning, I 
 don't want anything selected.
 
 I tried your arrows and space trick. Space on an item brings up a quick look 
 panel.
 
 On May 12, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi Rose:
 Are you thinking of command a to select all, and vo shift f3 to turn off 
 curser tracking and using arrows and space to select?
 On May 12, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know 
 them, but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and 
 I've been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
 understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. 
 I know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
 something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
 multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
 to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
 items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
 everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
 Any help would be appreciated.
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Users guide for keystrokes for the apple bluetooth keyboard to use it with the Iphone

[Dean Adams]

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone have a users guide or know where I can download 
a users guide for the apple bluetooth keyboard  mainly the keystrokes 
that can be used for the iphone once paired.

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Re: Users guide for keystrokes for the apple bluetooth keyboard to use it with the Iphone

[wes smith]

I seam to remember Josh wrote something on Maccessibility.  Someone else
will have to find the link, cause I can't seam to find it.

Sent from my iPhone

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Does anyone have a users guide or know where I can download a users
guide for the apple bluetooth keyboard  mainly the keystrokes that can be
used for the iphone once paired.
Regards Dean

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VO's response-time to keystrokes slowing down.

[Phantom.Vader]

Hi again!

Uh, had something weird happen today.  I was working in Garage-band
today, yes, finally got some of the loop issues figured out, and VO
started being *really* slow to respond to keystrokes!  As in, like,
I'd press a key, including VO navigation keys, and it would take like
ten full seconds or more to speak!  It's never done that to me before,
at least, never that badly or for that long.  Anybody know what was
with that?  It kind of scared me, because that kind of stuff used to
happen often with Jaws, usually just before it crashed.  Have any of
you ever had this happen and know what's causing it?

Thanks!


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Re: VO's response-time to keystrokes slowing down.

[Earle M. Harrison]

In the Applications folder you will find a utility called disk utility.  You 
can do a spotlight search for disk utility and probably get it as a top hit.  
From the first aid tab, do a verify disk and then repair disk permissions to 
see if that improves the situation.  If you are using less than 4 GB of memory 
you might consider investing in more memory.  Also recommend not using system 
HD for recording projects, rather using a firewire external drive because audio 
is going to eat storage space like mad which will inevitably have a negative 
effect on over-all performance.  HTH.

Best,

Earle Harrison

On Feb 18, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Phantom.Vader wrote:

 Hi again!
 
 Uh, had something weird happen today.  I was working in Garage-band
 today, yes, finally got some of the loop issues figured out, and VO
 started being *really* slow to respond to keystrokes!  As in, like,
 I'd press a key, including VO navigation keys, and it would take like
 ten full seconds or more to speak!  It's never done that to me before,
 at least, never that badly or for that long.  Anybody know what was
 with that?  It kind of scared me, because that kind of stuff used to
 happen often with Jaws, usually just before it crashed.  Have any of
 you ever had this happen and know what's causing it?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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Re: VO's response-time to keystrokes slowing down.

[Ricardo Walker]

Yeah.

This is a RAM issue.  I've noticed it happening more of late though.  Usually, 
just pressing command tab to switch from garageband to the finder or another 
app, and pressing it again to go back to garageband, seems to solve the 
problem.  And of course, cycle VO off and back on with command F5. 

Ricardo Walker
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Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197



On Feb 18, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Phantom.Vader wrote:

 Hi again!
 
 Uh, had something weird happen today.  I was working in Garage-band
 today, yes, finally got some of the loop issues figured out, and VO
 started being *really* slow to respond to keystrokes!  As in, like,
 I'd press a key, including VO navigation keys, and it would take like
 ten full seconds or more to speak!  It's never done that to me before,
 at least, never that badly or for that long.  Anybody know what was
 with that?  It kind of scared me, because that kind of stuff used to
 happen often with Jaws, usually just before it crashed.  Have any of
 you ever had this happen and know what's causing it?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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Re: VO's response-time to keystrokes slowing down.

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't know much about ram and stuff but do youthink you might have a bad 
stick or something in there?

Good luck.

S
On Feb 18, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Yeah.
 
 This is a RAM issue.  I've noticed it happening more of late though.  
 Usually, just pressing command tab to switch from garageband to the finder or 
 another app, and pressing it again to go back to garageband, seems to solve 
 the problem.  And of course, cycle VO off and back on with command F5. 
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 18, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Phantom.Vader wrote:
 
 Hi again!
 
 Uh, had something weird happen today.  I was working in Garage-band
 today, yes, finally got some of the loop issues figured out, and VO
 started being *really* slow to respond to keystrokes!  As in, like,
 I'd press a key, including VO navigation keys, and it would take like
 ten full seconds or more to speak!  It's never done that to me before,
 at least, never that badly or for that long.  Anybody know what was
 with that?  It kind of scared me, because that kind of stuff used to
 happen often with Jaws, usually just before it crashed.  Have any of
 you ever had this happen and know what's causing it?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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Keystrokes Wanted

[L. T. Reed]

Hello Everybody,

I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...

Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for reading 
current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst you're at it, 
the same for paragraphs?

Regards,

Ted.

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Re: Keystrokes Wanted

[John André Netland]

All this is currently possible with VoiceOver, see the help menu for details by 
pressing control-option-H, go to the Commands Help menu and write sentence or 
paragraph to get the commands.

Cheers,
John André



On 5. aug. 2010, at 15.58, L. T. Reed wrote:

 Hello Everybody,
  
 I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...
  
 Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for 
 reading current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst 
 you're at it, the same for paragraphs?
  
 Regards,
  
 Ted.
 
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Re: Keystrokes Wanted

[Carolyn]

Hi LT:
Try VO/S.  If I remember correctly this is in the vo commands help.  If I 
remember incorrectly, my apologies:)
Carolyn
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  Subject: Keystrokes Wanted


  Hello Everybody,

  I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...

  Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for 
reading current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst 
you're at it, the same for paragraphs?

  Regards,

  Ted.

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Re: Keystrokes Wanted

[Scott Howell]

Ted, for what application?
VoiceOver already has this capability, so I have to assume you are referring to 
something else.

On Aug 5, 2010, at 9:58 AM, L. T. Reed wrote:

 Hello Everybody,
  
 I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...
  
 Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for 
 reading current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst 
 you're at it, the same for paragraphs?
  
 Regards,
  
 Ted.
 
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Re: Keystrokes Wanted

[Linda Adams]

LT,

Here are a few more commands for reading text.  You can find these and many 
more in Chapter 4 of the Getting Started Guide which you can access by pressing 
 VO H and arrow down.  You can access Commands help the same way.

Read a sentence: VO S

Move to the next/previous sentence: FN VO command down/up arrow

Read a paragraph; VO P

Move to the next/previous paragraph: Shift FN VO down/up arrow

HTH,
Linda
On Aug 5, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Carolyn wrote:

 Hi LT:
 Try VO/S.  If I remember correctly this is in the vo commands help.  If I 
 remember incorrectly, my apologies:)
 Carolyn
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:58 AM
 Subject: Keystrokes Wanted
 
 Hello Everybody,
  
 I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...
  
 Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for 
 reading current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst 
 you're at it, the same for paragraphs?
  
 Regards,
  
 Ted.
 
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keystrokes recorder, script help

[william]

He all,
I am trying to  find a way to record some keystrokes of my keyboard so that I 
can make it to run with 1 simple keycombination.
I'll automate more vo-commands to one key-combination.
So, I mean , a kind of script.

In the apple scripteditor, I found a record-button but, I think it was not 
working on this way.

Also, in the automator, there was a record-button but this seems to be more 
complex.

Do I need a external program for this or is there a other way?

Any help is very welcome

best regards,
William Windels

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