Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. it was in the vo utility. happy to have it back.

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> It's not. It's still called Alex.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
>> compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
>>> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
>>> 3. Click on the system voice:
>>> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
>>> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
>>> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
>>> list end
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> can you tell me how to download Alex?
>>>> 
>>>> I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. 
>>>> I’m just a folkie after all.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex must be downloaded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
>>>>> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
>>>>> have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
>>>>> speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>>>>>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
>>>>>> my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way 
>>>>>> to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
>>>>>> microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
>>>>>> not, where is he?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lorie,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
>>>>>>> USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
>>>>>>> above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
>>>>>>> way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
>>>>>>> yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
>>>>>>> dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
>>>>>>> make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't 
>>>>>>> one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another 
>>>>>>> thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a 
>>>>>>> bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>>>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
>>>>>>>> one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
>>>>>>>> probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what 
>>>>>>>> they're for.
>>>

Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

It's not. It's still called Alex.


On 12/2/2023 4:35 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be 
in siri compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.


thanks.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage 
Voices...

5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.


On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y 
adapter.



You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last 
one didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 
doesn't. I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing 
console. I use the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to 
use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura 
 wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has 
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the 
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini 
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI 
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic 
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red 
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

still. looking for Alex. I did follow your instructions. would it be in siri 
compact voice 1 or 2? I’m sure it’s not elloquence.

thanks.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> To download more voices for VoiceOver:
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
> 2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
> 3. Click on the system voice:
> 4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
> 5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ... 
> 6. The voices will now be downloaded.
> list end
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> can you tell me how to download Alex?
>> 
>> I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
>> just a folkie after all.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex must be downloaded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
>>> didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have 
>>> mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker 
>>> jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>>>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>>>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to 
>>>> have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone 
>>>> either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>>>> 
>>>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>>>> where is he?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lorie,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
>>>>> you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit 
>>>>> Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a 
>>>>> couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think 
>>>>> there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, 
>>>>> though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is 
>>>>> the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power 
>>>>> indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have 
>>>>>> one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll 
>>>>>> probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>>>> for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Lorie
>>>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Everything's USB now, whether it's A, C, or Thunderbolt. All monitors 
are HDMI, no more VGA. Yes, you can certainly get Y adapters.



On 12/1/2023 8:12 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my 
old one which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old 
Mac but I did have an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
just a folkie after all.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
>>>> also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
>>>> to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>> 
>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>> for.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my old one 
which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old Mac but I did have 
an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
>>>> different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
>>>> also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
>>>> to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
>>>> 
>>>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
>>>> for.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
>>> 
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a 
way to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Yes.


On 11/30/2023 8:47 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the 
thunderbold ports the small ones?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:



Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the 
other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things 
connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of 
cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running Ventura. 
on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my headphones. 
that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have both plugged 
in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll 
have to use a usb mic.

the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
where is he?

thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Maurice A. Mines]

I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports 
the small ones?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:


Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is compact and 
has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three more just for 
charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other end. I have two of 
these--one on my desk for various things connected to my own Mini, and one in 
my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and 
sometimes training.

3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the thunderbold ports the small ones?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura
  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

  
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Re: new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I had a dongle for my old Mac mini but I'm pretty sure it's not going to fit in this one. so what exactly do I need to order for this one?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  

  
  
Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub
  is compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but
  three more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer
  at the other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various
  things connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag
  with lots of cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes
  training.
3 

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  wrote:


  
  Lorie,
  
  
  If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has
two USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the
back just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini
with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI
port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic
components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a
monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct,
though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red
LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.
  
  
  On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud
wrote:
  
  
I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the other 
end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things connected to 
my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of cables for when 
I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

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Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the 
way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get 
yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five 
dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can that 
make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when there 
isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. 
Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 
had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The new ones 
don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: new Mac Mini

[Steve Matzura]

Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if 
you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a 
Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's 
just a couple electronic components inside a can that make your Mini 
think there's a monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are 
correct, though, that there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took 
away is the power lamp. The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED 
power indicator on the front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie


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new Mac Mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Setting up new Mac mini with VoiceOver.

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Hi!
OK, don’t listen to soccer during a Mac setup.
I forgot that there’s a fn key on keyboards which was the issue.
Now I have to just see what I can do to move things to the new Mac from the old 
one.
/A

> 20 okt. 2022 kl. 19:35 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> It was quite long ago I did set up a new Mac so I thought it should be pretty 
> straight forward.
> However I have selected my main language and been told to press command f5 to 
> set Vo Up.
> Pressing vo f5 does nothing on my Mac mini which makes me worried.
> But you all use to say this should work so I trust you all.
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Setting up new Mac mini with VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It was quite long ago I did set up a new Mac so I thought it should be pretty 
straight forward.
However I have selected my main language and been told to press command f5 to 
set Vo Up.
Pressing vo f5 does nothing on my Mac mini which makes me worried.
But you all use to say this should work so I trust you all.
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this piece of advice. It did the trick. I woke up 
wondering if thert was it and then I saw your message. I don’t think you should 
need a mouse, but that’s another E-Mail.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try connecting a mouse or trackpad. Even though you don't need one, I believe 
> the Mac will require it.
> I recently set up a new 24 inch M1 iMac for someone, and the computer 
> wouldn't do a thing until I connected a mouse to it.
> Once you get through the initial set up, you can get rid of the mouse or 
> trackpad. The Mac only requires it at the very beginning.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:57, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
> pressed.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Brett Campbell  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs 
>>> to press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to 
>>> get VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any 
>>> key pressed. Where do we go from here?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

IMO, but if you need to have a mouse or trackpad just to get things setup then 
that is a major flaw.  With that being said, I have ordered a majic mouse from 
aapple and should be getting within a few days.  My entition is to upgrade my 
2018 mac mini to Monterey, but want to do a clean install.  The problem I ran 
into however was that I could not git rid of the mouse image that came up.  It 
would try to find a mouse knowing that there isn't one so will have to wait for 
my mouse to get here on Tuesday.

Matthew



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of dan d.
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini


Sounds like a question to be addressed to apple disability, use this number:


877 204 3930On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
>  just took the
>
>

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Re: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Sounds like a question to be addressed to apple disability, use this number:


877 204 3930On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
>  just took the
>
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Not since the introduction of the 2014 model line has that been an issue.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
>
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
>
> I???ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it???s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you???d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>
>
>
> Later???
>
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
> just took the
>
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brad Snyder]

Regardless of how you have your keyboard preferences set, the Fn key is not 
required when doing CMD plus F5 to start VoiceOver.
It has been that way for a long time.

- Brad -

On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:51, Brett Campbell  wrote:

Did you try including function key along with VO F5?


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
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> Kristeen
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brad Snyder]

Try connecting a mouse or trackpad. Even though you don't need one, I believe 
the Mac will require it.
I recently set up a new 24 inch M1 iMac for someone, and the computer wouldn't 
do a thing until I connected a mouse to it.
Once you get through the initial set up, you can get rid of the mouse or 
trackpad. The Mac only requires it at the very beginning.

- Brad -

On Oct 28, 2021, at 17:57, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
pressed.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Brett Campbell  wrote:
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> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Well, I am not sure since I do not have a Mini.

However, a monitor or dongle might be needed.

Does your friend have a TV.

If the right ports are available, maybe that can be used as a monitor just to 
get through setup.

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:59 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

I haven’t had to have a dongle since the end of 2013. Would they actually make 
it that way again with the new minis? I would find that strange.

 

Kristeen

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
To: Mac Users Group mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 






On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
just took the 

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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I haven’t had to have a dongle since the end of 2013. Would they actually make 
it that way again with the new minis? I would find that strange.

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
> Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 
>  
>  
> From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
> To: Mac Users Group 
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>  
> Where do you get such a dongle?
>  
> Kristeen
>  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
>> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
>> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
>> connected at startup.
>>  
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
>> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
>> option-f5 instead.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs 
>>> to press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to 
>>> get VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any 
>>> key pressed. Where do we go from here?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I did. It acts like we are locked out. The little noice happens with any key 
pressed.

Kristeen


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> Did you try including function key along with VO F5?
> 
> 
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>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[Brett Campbell]

Did you try including function key along with VO F5?


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
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> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try searching for examples like Kaytech HDMI Dummy Plug Display Emulator 
Headless Ghost Virtual Display Adapter. 

 

 

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:43 PM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Where do you get such a dongle?

 

Kristeen

 





On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
just took the 

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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Where do you get such a dongle?

Kristeen


> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

She is using an Apple Magic keyboard, but she has no monitor. I have never had 
a monitor and I haven’t needed a dongle or anything. What does she need to get?

Kristeen

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 6:33 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I thought that they’d fixed that headless issue and that you didn’t need a 
dongle or monitor anymore.  I could be mistaken though.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
> I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
>> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
>> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get 
>> VO to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
>> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> just took the 
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[Rebecca Skipper]

Is a monitor connected to the Mini?

If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.

I’ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
connected at startup.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini

 

Hi,

 

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
just took the 

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Re: A New Mac Mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it’s 
possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you’d press option-f5 
instead.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
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> Kristeen
> just took the 
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A New Mac Mini

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I’m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key pressed. 
Where do we go from here?

Kristeen
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon,
Thanks. Sometimes I feel a little uncertanty about installing windows due to 
all the different experiences we all have had over the last several years.
So again, I really appreciate it.
Thanks. 


> On May 8, 2019, at 12:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
> just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Hello,
> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
> Windows.
> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>> for the install.
>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>> Windows?
>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
>>>> out any issues.
>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
>>>> system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
>>>> experience.
>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
>>>> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
>>>> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>> 
>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
>>>> probably better off with Bootcamp.
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>>>>> native install of windows.
>>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>>>>> without any problems what soever.
>&g

RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.

-Original Message-
From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Hello,
Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
Windows.
Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?


> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
> for the install.
> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>> Windows?
>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>> Ben.
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
>>> out any issues.
>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
>>> system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
>>> experience.
>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
>>> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
>>> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
>>> probably better off with Bootcamp.
>>> Good luck
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>>>> native install of windows.
>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>> Later.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>>>> without any problems what soever.
>>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>>>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for 
>>>>>> a project.
>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>> 
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

jaws or nvda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes from 
articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
Ben.

On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
> out any issues.
> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system 
> is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
> this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>
> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably 
> better off with Bootcamp.
> Good luck
> Ben
>
>
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>> native install of windows.
>> Still working out a few details.
>> Later.
>>
>>
>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>> your hardware specs?
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>>> without any problems what soever.
>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>>>> project.
>>>> Later.
>>>>
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

I run windows 10 1809 on my mac book air 2013 and it's only got 8 gig ram,
It works great in both boot camp or a vm.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tom Moore
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any 
issues.
The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is that 
you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are a 
user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if you 
needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.

Tom





-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard between Mac 
OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of software on top of Mac 
OS; needless to say that it isn't without its own set of challenges vis a vis 
sharing hardware resources and so forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 
16GB ram will be sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
probably better off with Bootcamp.
Good luck
Ben


On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
wrote:
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
> native install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
>
>
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>>
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>> without any problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>>> project.
>>> Later.
>>>
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
This discussion has come up regarding older mac minis. Can I use headphones 
while installing windows using narrator, or will I have to use an external 
sound card? Of course, I’m talking about the windows install process as a 
totally blind person.


> On May 8, 2019, at 12:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That machine will be fine for pretty much everything you will do,
> 
> As for native windows, 
> Use boot camp and you wont know the difference and get the correct drivers 
> from apple to ensure everything works fine for you.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native 
> install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
> 
> 
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>> 
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>> without any problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>>> project.
>>> Later.
>>> 
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

That machine will be fine for pretty much everything you will do,

As for native windows, 
Use boot camp and you wont know the difference and get the correct drivers from 
apple to ensure everything works fine for you.

-Original Message-
From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Hello,
It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native 
install of windows.
Still working out a few details.
Later.


> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
> 
> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
> your hardware specs?
> Ben
> 
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>> without any problems what soever.
>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>> project.
>> Later.
>> 
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[B G]

Could you elaborate please?
ben.


On 5/8/19, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> Be careful with narrater and VMWare.  In my configuration VMWare hogs the
> caps lock key. This makes it difficult to use narrater.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 7, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been running Windows 10 under VMWare for a few months now, and have
>> not had any trouble with it. The one thing to be sure of when you install
>> is to be sure you go into Settings > Privacy, and make sure VMWare has
>> permission to access resources on your machine. I struggled mightily with
>> this for a time because I initially couldn’t find the setting. I’m using a
>> 2014 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM, and my VM is set to use 4GB of RAM. It’s
>> slow to start up, but once running it does quite nicely, thank you.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Pete De Vasto
>>
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 9:13 AM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
>>> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little
>>> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to
>>> install Windows.
>>> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>>>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with
>>>> narrator for the install.
>>>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack
>>>> for the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> On Behalf Of B G
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
>>>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with
>>>>>> out any
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless
>>>>>> you are
>>>>>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>  On
>>>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>>>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>>>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>>>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>>>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>>>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> better off with Bootcamp.
>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>&

Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Be careful with narrater and VMWare.  In my configuration VMWare hogs the caps 
lock key. This makes it difficult to use narrater. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been running Windows 10 under VMWare for a few months now, and have not 
> had any trouble with it. The one thing to be sure of when you install is to 
> be sure you go into Settings > Privacy, and make sure VMWare has permission 
> to access resources on your machine. I struggled mightily with this for a 
> time because I initially couldn’t find the setting. I’m using a 2014 Mac mini 
> with 8GB of RAM, and my VM is set to use 4GB of RAM. It’s slow to start up, 
> but once running it does quite nicely, thank you.
> 
> HTH,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 9:13 AM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
>> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
>> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
>> Windows.
>> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>>> for the install.
>>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>> 
>>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>>> Windows?
>>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
>>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>>> Ben.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out 
>>>>> any
>>>>> issues.
>>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>>>>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you 
>>>>> are
>>>>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>>>>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>>>>> better off with Bootcamp.
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>>>>> native
>>>>>> install of windows.
>>>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>&g

Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hello,

Thanks for that information. It's certainly worth knowing. I will be installing 
windows on a 2018 Mac mini and perhaps I will use a VM I'm not sure yet.

Guess there's a lot to consider.
just out of curiosity, and this is a general question to anyone. Is there 
anywhere I can get complete instructions up-to-date instructions on how to 
install VMware and windows 10.

Thanks in advance.




Dan


> On May 7, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been running Windows 10 under VMWare for a few months now, and have not 
> had any trouble with it. The one thing to be sure of when you install is to 
> be sure you go into Settings > Privacy, and make sure VMWare has permission 
> to access resources on your machine. I struggled mightily with this for a 
> time because I initially couldn’t find the setting. I’m using a 2014 Mac mini 
> with 8GB of RAM, and my VM is set to use 4GB of RAM. It’s slow to start up, 
> but once running it does quite nicely, thank you.
> 
> HTH,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 9:13 AM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
>> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
>> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
>> Windows.
>> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>>> for the install.
>>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>> 
>>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>>> Windows?
>>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
>>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>>> Ben.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out 
>>>>> any
>>>>> issues.
>>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>>>>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you 
>>>>> are
>>>>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>>>>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>>>>> better off with Bootcamp.
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>>>> I will be using Boo

Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Pete De Vasto]

I’ve been running Windows 10 under VMWare for a few months now, and have not 
had any trouble with it. The one thing to be sure of when you install is to be 
sure you go into Settings > Privacy, and make sure VMWare has permission to 
access resources on your machine. I struggled mightily with this for a time 
because I initially couldn’t find the setting. I’m using a 2014 Mac mini with 
8GB of RAM, and my VM is set to use 4GB of RAM. It’s slow to start up, but once 
running it does quite nicely, thank you.

HTH,
Pete De Vasto

> On May 7, 2019, at 9:13 AM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
> Windows.
> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>> for the install.
>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>> Windows?
>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
>>>> issues.
>>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>>>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you 
>>>> are
>>>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>>>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>>> Behalf Of B G
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>>> 
>>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>>>> better off with Bootcamp.
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>>>> native
>>>>> install of windows.
>>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> problems what soever.
>>>>>&

Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Windows works even with 8Gb of ram so it wont be of no problem using with 16GB.
I have Windows7 here but i very seldom use it as the Osx fits my needs.
I use Linux though because it has better braille support IMHO.
/A

> 7 maj 2019 kl. 14:50 skrev Tom Moore :
> 
> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
> 
> Tom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
> Ben.
> 
> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
>> issues.
>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>> better off with Bootcamp.
>> Good luck
>> Ben
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>> native
>>> install of windows.
>>> Still working out a few details.
>>> Later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>>> any
>>>>> problems what soever.
>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
Windows.
Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?


> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
> for the install.
> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>> Windows?
>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>> Ben.
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
>>> issues.
>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
>>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>>> better off with Bootcamp.
>>> Good luck
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>>> native
>>>> install of windows.
>>>> Still working out a few details.
>>>> Later.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> problems what soever.
>>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>>>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark
>>>>>> at:
>>>>>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara

Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
NVDA is what I’ll be using as well as Narrator. But NVDA is my first choice. 
This is what I was using when I had Windows 10 installed on my older MBP.


> On May 7, 2019, at 5:49 AM, B G  wrote:
> 
> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
> Ben.
> 
> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
>> issues.
>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>> better off with Bootcamp.
>> Good luck
>> Ben
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>> native
>>> install of windows.
>>> Still working out a few details.
>>> Later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>>> any
>>>>> problems what soever.
>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
>>>>> or
>>>>> if
>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>>>>> owners
>>>>> or
>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> at:
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>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Matt Turner]

Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator for 
the install.
Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for the 
narrator speech at start up won’t work either.


> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
> 
> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
> 
> Tom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
> Ben.
> 
> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
>> issues.
>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
>> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
>> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
>> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
>> better off with Bootcamp.
>> Good luck
>> Ben
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>>> native
>>> install of windows.
>>> Still working out a few details.
>>> Later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>>> your hardware specs?
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>>> any
>>>>> problems what soever.
>>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>>>> Later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
>>>>> or
>>>>> if
>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>>>>> owners
>>>>> or
>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark
>>>>> at:
>>>>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>> 
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Tom Moore]

I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
Ben.

On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
> issues.
> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>
> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
> better off with Bootcamp.
> Good luck
> Ben
>
>
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>> native
>> install of windows.
>> Still working out a few details.
>> Later.
>>
>>
>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>> your hardware specs?
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>> any
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[B G]

Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes
from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
Ben.

On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any
> issues.
> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is
> that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are
> a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if
> you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>
> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
> better off with Bootcamp.
> Good luck
> Ben
>
>
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a
>> native
>> install of windows.
>> Still working out a few details.
>> Later.
>>
>>
>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>>> your hardware specs?
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>>> any
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>>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>>> Later.
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Tom Moore]

Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any 
issues.
The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is that 
you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are a 
user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if you 
needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.

Tom





-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
better off with Bootcamp.
Good luck
Ben


On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native
> install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
>
>
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>>
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>> any
>>> problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>> Later.
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[B G]

Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard
between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of
software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its
own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so
forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be
sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably
better off with Bootcamp.
Good luck
Ben


On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native
> install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
>
>
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>>
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without
>>> any
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>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
>>> Later.
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native 
install of windows.
Still working out a few details.
Later.


> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
> 
> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
> your hardware specs?
> Ben
> 
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without any
>> problems what soever.
>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing
>> Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[B G]

Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are
your hardware specs?
Ben

On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
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New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello list,
I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up without any 
problems what soever.
In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning installing Windows 
10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a project.
Later.

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RE: New Mac Mini and additional question.

[Simon Fogarty]

yes all apple computers / devices have internal speakers so at start up you can 
get voiceover going,

except of course the apple tv which needs a tv or external type speaker to get 
audio.

-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2019 4:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: New Mac Mini and additional question.

Hello list,
I've decided to get the new mac mini.
Does this unit have an internal speaker like the older units?
I was just curious for first boot and VoiceOver. I know I can use headphones as 
well. But am just curious about internal speaker.




Dan


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Got answer from Apple Accessibility. was, Re: New Mac Mini and additional question.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello list,
It does have a mono speaker in it according to the folks at 
apple Accessibility.
In case someone else wants to know.



Dan


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:53 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hello list,
> I've decided to get the new mac mini.
> Does this unit have an internal speaker like the older units?
> I was just curious for first boot and VoiceOver. I know I can use headphones 
> as well. But am just curious about internal speaker.
> 
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> 
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> Dan
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New Mac Mini and additional question.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello list,
I've decided to get the new mac mini.
Does this unit have an internal speaker like the older units?
I was just curious for first boot and VoiceOver. I know I can use headphones as 
well. But am just curious about internal speaker.




Dan


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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I don't wish to get into an argument here, but your comments appear to be 
simply your opinions.  They don't seem to be based on any data.  Cost of 
ownership, direct comparisons etc.  In order to "get real" as you suggested, we 
would need real data.  It is disrespectful to suggest that those who purchase 
Apple computers do it without considering all sorts of factors, including 
price, when they make their decisions.  Asking that people consider some 
factors before forming their opinions is not making "excuses".

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 25, 2019, at 10:08, lenron brown  wrote:

I understand most will make excuses for apple and that's fine. Lets be
real though apple can be a bit over priced especially when it comes to
computers. This is okay because most will pay for it I guess. I have
come to the conclusion I don't need the latest and greatest, and when
it comes to apple computers you pretty much get the same thing if you
get a devices a couple years older anyways.

On 4/25/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When slamming the price of Apple hardware, consider the following:
> 
> • MacOS and iOS are developed by Apple, and free to all users of their
> hardware.  The Android phones or Windows PC's do not have that same
> expense.
> • You'll pay similar prices when you purchase Tier 1 computers or
> Google/Samsung devices.  Quality internal components and software do not
> come at discount prices.
> • Accessibility is a priority and does not cost extra.  I realize that
> accessibility do not cost extra on most other tablets and mobile devices,
> but accessibility is not often as robust as it is on iOS.
> • Stock apps also come free, although the cost of those is likely included
> in the overall prices.
> • Updates to MacOS and iOS are free, not just for decimal increments.
> 
> Sure, you can purchase an Android device, or Windows PC for less, and many
> of them will do the job just fine.  It's your choice whether you want to pay
> for the reliability, accessibility and ecosystem experience of Apple.
> 
> It's improper to make generalized comparisons between the platforms when
> your only considering the price.
> 
> JMO, of course.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 23:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> Personally I agree apple products are over priced but they do tend to be
> more reliable and longer lasting than your equivalent  windows machines.
> 
> As for your requests,
> If you are looking at doing some music production then the increase in ram
> isn't going to hert,
> It's possibly a better increase option than needing to worry about the
> processor as well.
> 
> SO yeah if you've got a ssd 16GB ram,
> The standard I5 processor should be fine for what you are requiring.
> 
> If you've got an earlier mac mini then you could set that up to be a file
> storage machine and work on your new machine so you get the best of both
> worlds.
> 
> Otherwise a good choice of device.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini.
> 
> Hi,
> The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like.
> As well as some audio production.
> So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a
> fairly good system.
> I don't want to break the bank either.
> I am increasingly  of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over
> priced and that's after many years of using apple products.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dan,
>> 
>> What is it that you wish to do with this machine?
>> 
>> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed Processor
>> will depend really on what you are doing, As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad
>> thing but if your only using it to surf the net or write emails then
>> it's overkill
>> 
>> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
>> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram,
>> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't
>> needed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Considering a new mac mini.
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> I'm thinking abo

Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[lenron brown]

I understand most will make excuses for apple and that's fine. Lets be
real though apple can be a bit over priced especially when it comes to
computers. This is okay because most will pay for it I guess. I have
come to the conclusion I don't need the latest and greatest, and when
it comes to apple computers you pretty much get the same thing if you
get a devices a couple years older anyways.

On 4/25/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When slamming the price of Apple hardware, consider the following:
>
> • MacOS and iOS are developed by Apple, and free to all users of their
> hardware.  The Android phones or Windows PC's do not have that same
> expense.
> • You'll pay similar prices when you purchase Tier 1 computers or
> Google/Samsung devices.  Quality internal components and software do not
> come at discount prices.
> • Accessibility is a priority and does not cost extra.  I realize that
> accessibility do not cost extra on most other tablets and mobile devices,
> but accessibility is not often as robust as it is on iOS.
> • Stock apps also come free, although the cost of those is likely included
> in the overall prices.
> • Updates to MacOS and iOS are free, not just for decimal increments.
>
> Sure, you can purchase an Android device, or Windows PC for less, and many
> of them will do the job just fine.  It's your choice whether you want to pay
> for the reliability, accessibility and ecosystem experience of Apple.
>
> It's improper to make generalized comparisons between the platforms when
> your only considering the price.
>
> JMO, of course.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 23:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Personally I agree apple products are over priced but they do tend to be
> more reliable and longer lasting than your equivalent  windows machines.
>
> As for your requests,
> If you are looking at doing some music production then the increase in ram
> isn't going to hert,
> It's possibly a better increase option than needing to worry about the
> processor as well.
>
> SO yeah if you've got a ssd 16GB ram,
> The standard I5 processor should be fine for what you are requiring.
>
> If you've got an earlier mac mini then you could set that up to be a file
> storage machine and work on your new machine so you get the best of both
> worlds.
>
> Otherwise a good choice of device.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini.
>
> Hi,
> The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like.
> As well as some audio production.
> So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a
> fairly good system.
> I don't want to break the bank either.
> I am increasingly  of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over
> priced and that's after many years of using apple products.
>
> Dan
>
>
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> What is it that you wish to do with this machine?
>>
>> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed Processor
>> will depend really on what you are doing, As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad
>> thing but if your only using it to surf the net or write emails then
>> it's overkill
>>
>> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
>> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram,
>> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't
>> needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Considering a new mac mini.
>>
>> Hello list,
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>> So here are a few questions.
>>
>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of
>> this machine?
>>
>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also
>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to
>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>
>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any
>> major compromises.
>>
>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments
>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>>
>>
&g

Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When slamming the price of Apple hardware, consider the following:

• MacOS and iOS are developed by Apple, and free to all users of their 
hardware.  The Android phones or Windows PC's do not have that same expense.
• You'll pay similar prices when you purchase Tier 1 computers or 
Google/Samsung devices.  Quality internal components and software do not come 
at discount prices.
• Accessibility is a priority and does not cost extra.  I realize that 
accessibility do not cost extra on most other tablets and mobile devices, but 
accessibility is not often as robust as it is on iOS.
• Stock apps also come free, although the cost of those is likely included in 
the overall prices.
• Updates to MacOS and iOS are free, not just for decimal increments.

Sure, you can purchase an Android device, or Windows PC for less, and many of 
them will do the job just fine.  It's your choice whether you want to pay for 
the reliability, accessibility and ecosystem experience of Apple.

It's improper to make generalized comparisons between the platforms when your 
only considering the price.

JMO, of course.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 24, 2019, at 23:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Dan,

Personally I agree apple products are over priced but they do tend to be more 
reliable and longer lasting than your equivalent  windows machines.

As for your requests,
If you are looking at doing some music production then the increase in ram 
isn't going to hert,
It's possibly a better increase option than needing to worry about the 
processor as well.

SO yeah if you've got a ssd 16GB ram,
The standard I5 processor should be fine for what you are requiring.

If you've got an earlier mac mini then you could set that up to be a file 
storage machine and work on your new machine so you get the best of both worlds.

Otherwise a good choice of device.



-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini.

Hi,
The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like.
As well as some audio production.
So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a 
fairly good system.
I don't want to break the bank either. 
I am increasingly  of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over priced 
and that's after many years of using apple products.

Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> What is it that you wish to do with this machine?
> 
> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed Processor 
> will depend really on what you are doing, As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad 
> thing but if your only using it to surf the net or write emails then 
> it's overkill
> 
> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram, 
> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't 
> needed.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Considering a new mac mini.
> 
> Hello list,
> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
> So here are a few questions.
> 
> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
> machine?
> 
> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
> 
> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
> compromises.
> 
> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
> you have regarding the mac mini.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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RE: Considering a new mac mini.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dan,

Personally I agree apple products are over priced but they do tend to be more 
reliable and longer lasting than your equivalent  windows machines.

As for your requests,
If you are looking at doing some music production then the increase in ram 
isn't going to hert,
It's possibly a better increase option than needing to worry about the 
processor as well.

SO yeah if you've got a ssd 16GB ram,
The standard I5 processor should be fine for what you are requiring.

If you've got an earlier mac mini then you could set that up to be a file 
storage machine and work on your new machine so you get the best of both worlds.

Otherwise a good choice of device.
 


-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini.

Hi,
The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like.
As well as some audio production.
So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a 
fairly good system.
I don't want to break the bank either. 
I am increasingly  of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over priced 
and that's after many years of using apple products.

Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> What is it that you wish to do with this machine?
> 
> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed Processor 
> will depend really on what you are doing, As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad 
> thing but if your only using it to surf the net or write emails then 
> it's overkill
> 
> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram, 
> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't 
> needed.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Considering a new mac mini.
> 
> Hello list,
> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
> So here are a few questions.
> 
> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
> machine?
> 
> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
> 
> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
> compromises.
> 
> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
> you have regarding the mac mini.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like.
As well as some audio production.
So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a 
fairly good system.
I don't want to break the bank either. 
I am increasingly  of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over priced 
and that's after many years of using apple products.

Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> What is it that you wish to do with this machine?
> 
> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed 
> Processor will depend really on what you are doing,
> As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad thing but if your only using it to surf the net 
> or write emails then it's overkill 
> 
> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram,
> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't 
> needed. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Considering a new mac mini.
> 
> Hello list,
> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
> So here are a few questions.
> 
> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
> machine?
> 
> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
> 
> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
> compromises.
> 
> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
> you have regarding the mac mini.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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RE: Considering a new mac mini.

[Simon Fogarty]

Then if your going to have windows in boot camp upgrade theprocessor 
Put 16GB ram and yes an ssd 
You will find it works great for windows, mainly because windows sucks 
resources.


-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini.

Hi,
What is the VO problem with this system?
In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under bootcamp.



Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have the new mini.
> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for making 
> music things.
> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>> So here are a few questions.
>> 
>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
>> machine?
>> 
>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
>> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>> 
>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
>> compromises.
>> 
>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
>> you have regarding the mac mini.
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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RE: Considering a new mac mini.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Dan,

What is it that you wish to do with this machine?

My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt  needed 
Processor will depend really on what you are doing,
As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad thing but if your only using it to surf the net or 
write emails then it's overkill 

If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must.
The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram,
But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't 
needed. 



-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Considering a new mac mini.

Hello list,
I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
So here are a few questions.

Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
machine?

If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
least 16 GB or is that even necessary?

The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
compromises.

Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do you 
have regarding the mac mini.

TIA.




Dan


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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[KliphnShari Miller]

The hard ware is upgradable.  I have a 2014 Mac mini, but don’t use my Mac 
enough anymore to upgrade, I was thinking 32GB of ram, 512 SSD, 10GB ethernet, 
but it came to 2000 bucks, so I went with the iPad Pro 11 inch instead, with 
the Logitech slim folio pro keyboard case.  Saved 1300 bucks.  JMO

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> On Apr 24, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM has no VO thing, unless it is explained 
> more clearly.
> 
> I don’t know if it is still true but ensure that you get the spec you want 
> because they are not upgradable now. Yes the software is but the hardware is 
> not. I would love to be wrong on this.
> 
> Gena
>> On 24 Apr 2019, at 16:27, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>> bootcamp.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner >> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>> making music things.
>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>> this machine?
>>>> 
>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>> major compromises.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Matt Turner]

Its just a standard wireless keyboard not and apple one.


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:34 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is it an Apple wireless keyboard, or a third party one?  Normally, that still 
> shouldn't make any difference, but it is worth considering.  If you have a 
> wired keyboard anywhere handy that you could test, that would be useful.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 10:32, Matt Turner  <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Come to think of it, could the small delay be because I’m using a USB 
> wireless keyboard?
> Its like a second after I hit the key.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not sure why that would be happening.  I have set up many devices including 
>> Mac Minis and have not experienced that sort of issue.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:42, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> i,
>> I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
>> I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any 
>> major VO delay.
>> Is this a problems with the new mac minis?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner >> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, not really a vo problem.
>>> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
>>> might drive you nuts.
>>> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>>>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>>>> bootcamp.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner >>>> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>>>> making music things.
>>>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>>>> this machine?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps 
>>>>>> also upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase 
>>>>>> memory to at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>>>> major compromises.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
Here's one way to find out.
Connect the keyboard to your mac with the usb/lightning cable. Assuming it's an 
apple keyboard.
I have mine connected with the cha5rging cable. Even when it's not connected, 
it doesn't slown as far as I can tell.



Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Come to think of it, could the small delay be because I’m using a USB 
> wireless keyboard?
> Its like a second after I hit the key.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not sure why that would be happening.  I have set up many devices including 
>> Mac Minis and have not experienced that sort of issue.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:42, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> i,
>> I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
>> I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any 
>> major VO delay.
>> Is this a problems with the new mac minis?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, not really a vo problem.
>>> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
>>> might drive you nuts.
>>> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>>>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>>>> bootcamp.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>>>> making music things.
>>>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>>>> this machine?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps 
>>>>>> also upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase 
>>>>>> memory to at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>>>> major compromises.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is it an Apple wireless keyboard, or a third party one?  Normally, that still 
shouldn't make any difference, but it is worth considering.  If you have a 
wired keyboard anywhere handy that you could test, that would be useful.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 24, 2019, at 10:32, Matt Turner  wrote:

Come to think of it, could the small delay be because I’m using a USB wireless 
keyboard?
Its like a second after I hit the key.

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure why that would be happening.  I have set up many devices including 
> Mac Minis and have not experienced that sort of issue.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:42, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> i,
> I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
> I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any 
> major VO delay.
> Is this a problems with the new mac minis?
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner > <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, not really a vo problem.
>> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
>> might drive you nuts.
>> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>>> bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner >>> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>>> making music things.
>>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>>> this machine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>>> major compromises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Matt Turner]

Come to think of it, could the small delay be because I’m using a USB wireless 
keyboard?
Its like a second after I hit the key.

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure why that would be happening.  I have set up many devices including 
> Mac Minis and have not experienced that sort of issue.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:42, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> i,
> I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
> I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any 
> major VO delay.
> Is this a problems with the new mac minis?
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner > <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, not really a vo problem.
>> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
>> might drive you nuts.
>> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>>> bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner >>> <mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>>> making music things.
>>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>>> this machine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>>> major compromises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Not sure why that would be happening.  I have set up many devices including Mac 
Minis and have not experienced that sort of issue.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:42, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

i,
I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any major 
VO delay.
Is this a problems with the new mac minis?



Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, not really a vo problem.
> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
> might drive you nuts.
> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>> bootcamp.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>> making music things.
>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>> this machine?
>>>> 
>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>> major compromises.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

i,
I have a MBP mid 2014 year machine. I don't have any VO delay.
I've been using MMacs from 2004 up to the present and I've never had any major 
VO delay.
Is this a problems with the new mac minis?



Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, not really a vo problem.
> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
> might drive you nuts.
> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>> bootcamp.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>> making music things.
>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>> this machine?
>>>> 
>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>> major compromises.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

It should not be delaying like that. That is not normal behaviour. Have you 
raised it with the accessibility team?

Gena
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 16:36, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, not really a vo problem.
> If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, 
> might drive you nuts.
> This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What is the VO problem with this system?
>> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under 
>> bootcamp.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for 
>>> making music things.
>>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>>> So here are a few questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of 
>>>> this machine?
>>>> 
>>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>>> major compromises.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments 
>>>> do you have regarding the mac mini.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

My Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM has no VO thing, unless it is explained more 
clearly.

I don’t know if it is still true but ensure that you get the spec you want 
because they are not upgradable now. Yes the software is but the hardware is 
not. I would love to be wrong on this.

Gena
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 16:27, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What is the VO problem with this system?
> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under bootcamp.
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for making 
>> music things.
>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>> So here are a few questions.
>>> 
>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
>>> machine?
>>> 
>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>> 
>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>> major compromises.
>>> 
>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
>>> you have regarding the mac mini.
>>> 
>>> TIA.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Matt Turner]

Hi, not really a vo problem.
If your coming from windows, the 2 second vo delay when you press a key, might 
drive you nuts.
This is my first Mac, and I’ve gotten used to the small delay.

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What is the VO problem with this system?
> In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under bootcamp.
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I have the new mini.
>> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
>> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for making 
>> music things.
>> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>>> So here are a few questions.
>>> 
>>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
>>> machine?
>>> 
>>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to 
>>> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>>> 
>>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any 
>>> major compromises.
>>> 
>>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
>>> you have regarding the mac mini.
>>> 
>>> TIA.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
What is the VO problem with this system?
In all probability, at some point, I probably will run windows under bootcamp.



Dan


> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have the new mini.
> I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
> VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for making 
> music things.
> But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
>> So here are a few questions.
>> 
>> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
>> machine?
>> 
>> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
>> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
>> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
>> 
>> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
>> compromises.
>> 
>> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
>> you have regarding the mac mini.
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: Considering a new mac mini.

[Matt Turner]

Hi, I have the new mini.
I have the i7 processor, 16 gigs of ram, and the 512 gig ssd.
VO, has this delay thing, that drives me nuts sometimes, I got it for making 
music things.
But, if you ever want to run windows with bootcamp, it runs like a champ.

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:09 AM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
> So here are a few questions.
> 
> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
> machine?
> 
> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
> least 16 GB or is that even necessary?
> 
> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
> compromises.
> 
> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do 
> you have regarding the mac mini.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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Considering a new mac mini.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello list,
I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini.
So here are a few questions.

Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of this 
machine?

If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also 
upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to at 
least 16 GB or is that even necessary?

The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any major 
compromises.

Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments do you 
have regarding the mac mini.

TIA.




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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Raymond Foret Jr]

I just assumed that they would install the ethernet port built-in and configure 
it for 10GB at cost.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 11:20 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> But Ray,
>  
> You forgot the gigabit ethernet port,
>  
> Or if you wanted 
> You could also purchase the 10gigabit ethernet adapter which I can only 
> assume plugs in to a USB-C port,
>  
> I do wonder if it wouldn’t have just been quicker and easier to put the 
> 10Gigabit port in to the machine as a standard rather than a if you want.
>  
> I know here in nz it’s only going to help the user if they have a  10Gb 
> switch and associated connections to other devices for sharing,
>  
> Our internet is only just gigabit if your lucky.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!
>  
> ON the new Mac Mini, four thunderbolt ports which are actually USBC ports but 
> they take thunderbolt, two USBA ports an HDMI port and an actual 3.5MM 
> headphone jack.
>  
>  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>  
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> How many usb out of one thunderbolt 3 port,
> Open question, it really depends on how many usb a type ports there are on 
> the hub you plug in to it,
> 
> The hub I have at work has 
> 4 usb a for usb 3.0 
> A display port,
> 2 usb-c / thunderbolt 3,
> Sd and micro sd slots,
> At least 1 HDMI
> And an etheernet port,
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's got a couple more ports but I don't use them and or 
> remember what they are.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: Friday, 2 November 2018 2:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!
> 
> I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
> cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd 
> have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out 
> of one Thunderbolt port?
> 
> I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well 
> as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going 
> from dark night to bright day.
> 
> I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
> the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
> would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
> program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last 
> year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until 
> I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade 
> to Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). 
> Gotta love companies either not being ready for these things, or for being 
> ultra-conservative about OS upgrades.
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RE: New mac mini announced!

[Simon Fogarty]

But Ray,

You forgot the gigabit ethernet port,

Or if you wanted
You could also purchase the 10gigabit ethernet adapter which I can only assume 
plugs in to a USB-C port,

I do wonder if it wouldn’t have just been quicker and easier to put the 
10Gigabit port in to the machine as a standard rather than a if you want.

I know here in nz it’s only going to help the user if they have a  10Gb switch 
and associated connections to other devices for sharing,

Our internet is only just gigabit if your lucky.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!

ON the new Mac Mini, four thunderbolt ports which are actually USBC ports but 
they take thunderbolt, two USBA ports an HDMI port and an actual 3.5MM 
headphone jack.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

How many usb out of one thunderbolt 3 port,
Open question, it really depends on how many usb a type ports there are on the 
hub you plug in to it,

The hub I have at work has
4 usb a for usb 3.0
A display port,
2 usb-c / thunderbolt 3,
Sd and micro sd slots,
At least 1 HDMI
And an etheernet port,

I'm pretty sure it's got a couple more ports but I don't use them and or 
remember what they are.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2018 2:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!

I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six cores. 
Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd have to buy 
a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out of one 
Thunderbolt port?

I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well as 
upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going from 
dark night to bright day.

I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last year 
of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until I 
absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade to 
Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL).
Gotta love companies either not being ready for these things, or for being 
ultra-conservative about OS upgrades.

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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Raymond Foret Jr]

ON the new Mac Mini, four thunderbolt ports which are actually USBC ports but 
they take thunderbolt, two USBA ports an HDMI port and an actual 3.5MM 
headphone jack.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> How many usb out of one thunderbolt 3 port,
> Open question, it really depends on how many usb a type ports there are on 
> the hub you plug in to it,
> 
> The hub I have at work has 
> 4 usb a for usb 3.0 
> A display port,
> 2 usb-c / thunderbolt 3,
> Sd and micro sd slots,
> At least 1 HDMI
> And an etheernet port,
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's got a couple more ports but I don't use them and or 
> remember what they are.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: Friday, 2 November 2018 2:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!
> 
> I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
> cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd 
> have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out 
> of one Thunderbolt port?
> 
> I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well 
> as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going 
> from dark night to bright day.
> 
> I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
> the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
> would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
> program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last 
> year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until 
> I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade 
> to Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). 
> Gotta love companies either not being ready for these things, or for being 
> ultra-conservative about OS upgrades.
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RE: New mac mini announced!

[Simon Fogarty]

How many usb out of one thunderbolt 3 port,
 Open question, it really depends on how many usb a type ports there are on the 
hub you plug in to it,

 The hub I have at work has 
4 usb a for usb 3.0 
A display port,
 2 usb-c / thunderbolt 3,
Sd and micro sd slots,
 At least 1 HDMI
And an etheernet port,

 I'm pretty sure it's got a couple more ports but I don't use them and or 
remember what they are.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2018 2:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New mac mini announced!

I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six cores. 
Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd have to buy 
a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out of one 
Thunderbolt port?

I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well as 
upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going from 
dark night to bright day.

I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last year 
of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until I 
absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade to 
Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). 
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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Mike Arrigo]

I went ahead and got a new mini a few weeks ago even though it had not been 
updated since 2014, seeing what Apple has introduced, I do not regret that 
decision. It's plenty fast for what I need it to do and the new minis start at 
almost twice the price of what I paid for mine.

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
> cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd 
> have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out 
> of one Thunderbolt port?
> 
> I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well 
> as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going 
> from dark night to bright day.
> 
> I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
> the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
> would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
> program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last 
> year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until 
> I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade 
> to Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). Gotta love companies either 
> not being ready for these things, or for being ultra-conservative about OS 
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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Raymond Foret Jr]

To me, the Mini was the best part of the event.  I’d max mine out and I could 
always plug in my Western Digital 4TB passport drive which I would anyway since 
my Drop Box loads to there.  For my wants and needs, frankly, I’d take the new 
Mini over the Macbook air any day.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

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The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
> cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so I'd 
> have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one get out 
> of one Thunderbolt port?
> 
> I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as well 
> as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like going 
> from dark night to bright day.
> 
> I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would fix 
> the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More cores 
> would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, the only 
> program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now in its last 
> year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep my 2012 Mini until 
> I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any more. Yes, I can upgrade 
> to Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). Gotta love companies either 
> not being ready for these things, or for being ultra-conservative about OS 
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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Steve Matzura]

I was disappointed that the best thing the new Mini has to offer is six 
cores. Yeah, lots of Thunderbolt, but I don't own any such devices, so 
I'd have to buy a lot of adapters. And just how many USB ports does one 
get out of one Thunderbolt port?


I, too, changed the internal 5400rpm mechanical drive for a 2TB SSD, as 
well as upgrading the memory, and the performance improvements were like 
going from dark night to bright day.


I suspect I would get a lot more out of my 2012 Mini if only Apple would 
fix the problem of VoiceOver not being stuck to using one CPU core. More 
cores would be nice for folks using programs that hog CPU, but so far, 
the only program I've found that ever hogged CPU on my Mini that is now 
in its last year of operating-system upgradability is VO. SO I'll keep 
my 2012 Mini until I absolutely positively cannot use High Sierra any 
more. Yes, I can upgrade to Mojave, but not until Avid says I can (LOL). 
Gotta love companies either not being ready for these things, or for 
being ultra-conservative about OS upgrades.


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RE: New mac mini announced!

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ray,

Thought it was minimum 8GB ram,
Up to 64GB,
6 core processor,
And 2TB storage ssd.

But yeah basic model for you guys is 7 or 8 hundred dollars,

2 grand for me.

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4GB ram, two USBA ports, four thunderbolt ports, up to 2TB SDDS storage and six 
core processors for the Mac Mini.  Lowest price?  $700 or so.


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Hi folks, Subject says it all.

Just heard this on the twit stream.

You can have up to 64 gigs of ram, if you need that sorte of thing.

There are 4 thunderbolt ports.

That's all I no for now.

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RE: New mac mini announced!

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I've just watched it this evening due to time zoning and work getting in 
the way of being able to watch it this morning.

I've just checked out the full specs on the apple website and I gotta admit 
both the Air and the Mini do come across as nice sounding devices.

The air I have to say really makes me keen on it until I see it's only got one 
option for a processor,
 That's an 8th gen I5 1.6GHz processor,

 If that was changeable to an I7 2.2 or similar processor then hay I'd be in.
 16GB ram, up to 1.5Tb ssd,
 It would be a bloody good device, almost equal to a pro.

 Oh well , that lost my purchase,

 The mini, hels teeth 
I changed the ram and ssd in the basic model to 16GB and 1TB and that is nice, 
really really nice, I was interested though that the 10Gb ethernet was via a 
USB C adapter for $170 NZ Dollars,

 Still I'd buy one if I needed a new desktop.

 The iPad pro nice, faceID 
USB-C 
Faster processor, space increased if you needed it.

 But I'm still confused,
Is it 2 new iPad pro's?
A new 9.5 and a 11 inch new iPad Pro devices?

I noted they are keeping the iPad Pro 10.5 
I'd look at a 9.5 if it was the newer format.

 I do think the bigger like on the iPad for me was the being able to charge 
from it such as connect your iPhone and charge it from your new iPad Pro, that 
to me is very cool and very useful.
 The Pencil is a nice new charging option / pairing option  similar to what 
Microsoft have with their surface pro devices.
I think overall I like the new line except for the Mac book airs processor 
which I personally think limits people such as myself who need to be able to 
switch between windows and mac os 

The 1.6GHz I5 just wont do windows well.

But hey I can wait 12 months.
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Subject: New mac mini announced!

Hi folks, Subject says it all.

Just heard this on the twit stream.

You can have up to 64 gigs of ram, if you need that sorte of thing.

There are 4 thunderbolt ports.

That's all I no for now.

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Re: New mac mini announced!

[Raymond Foret Jr]

4GB ram, two USBA ports, four thunderbolt ports, up to 2TB SDDS storage and six 
core processors for the Mac Mini.  Lowest price?  $700 or so.


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> On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Matt  wrote:
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> Hi folks, Subject says it all.
> 
> Just heard this on the twit stream.
> 
> You can have up to 64 gigs of ram, if you need that sorte of thing.
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New mac mini announced!

[Matt]

Hi folks, Subject says it all.

Just heard this on the twit stream.

You can have up to 64 gigs of ram, if you need that sorte of thing.

There are 4 thunderbolt ports.

That's all I no for now.

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Re: New Mac-mini and old printer

[Gigi]

Hi there. 
I was pleasantly surprised the first time I put an old Cannon printer on my 
Mac. If it had been a Windows machine, I would have had to go through all kinds 
of hoopla to get it on there. All I did was to plug in the USB cable and press 
command P to see if the printer was on there. I didn't bother to go to the 
Cannon website because I was lazy and didn't want to mess with a website I 
hadn't gone to before. I don't know about the rest of you, but sopmetimes I 
just can't face an unfamiliar website. 

I got a nice surprise when I plugged in the USB cable. The printer was on 
there, and I had to go do nothing after that. 



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 Hello everyone,
  
 I'm getting a new Mac-mini and wanted to know if I can use an old printer 
 that had been connected to my  PC.  It is a
 Canon Image Class MF4100 Series 
  
 I found a Canon support page on the web with the drivers I would need but the 
 install CD's that came with the printer are for Windows.
  
 I am just confused enough over peripheral equipment that I don't have a clue 
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 Recommendations would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
  
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Re: New Mac-mini and old printer

[Chris Blouch]

This particular model is one of those scanner/fax/printer combos. You 
should be able to print with little fuss but you'll probably need to 
download/install the driver stuff for the fax and scanner to work.


CB

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Hi there.
I was pleasantly surprised the first time I put an old Cannon printer 
on my Mac. If it had been a Windows machine, I would have had to go 
through all kinds of hoopla to get it on there. All I did was to plug 
in the USB cable and press command P to see if the printer was on 
there. I didn't bother to go to the Cannon website because I was lazy 
and didn't want to mess with a website I hadn't gone to before. I 
don't know about the rest of you, but sopmetimes I just can't face an 
unfamiliar website.


I got a nice surprise when I plugged in the USB cable. The printer was 
on there, and I had to go do nothing after that.




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mailto:pard...@mindspring.com wrote:



Hello everyone,
I'm getting a new Mac-mini and wanted to know if I can use an old 
printer that had been connected to my PC.  It is a


Canon Image Class MF4100 Series

I found a Canon support page on the web with the drivers I would 
need but the install CD's that came with the printer are for Windows.


I am just confused enough over peripheral equipment that I don't have 
a clue if I can use this printer or not.


Recommendations would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Linda

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New Mac-mini and old printer

[Linda Adams]

Hello everyone,
 
I'm getting a new Mac-mini and wanted to know if I can use an old
printer that had been connected to my PC.  It is a 

Canon Image Class MF4100 Series 

 

I found a Canon support page on the web with the drivers I would need
but the install CD's that came with the printer are for Windows.

 

I am just confused enough over peripheral equipment that I don't have a
clue if I can use this printer or not.

 

Recommendations would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

 

Linda

 

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Re: New Mac-mini and old printer

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
OS X usually has great printer support built in. THe best thing you can do is 
just to plug it in and see if it shows up under print and fax in system 
preferences.
HTH,

On 2012-06-03, at 5:16 PM, Linda Adams wrote:

 Hello everyone,
  
 I'm getting a new Mac-mini and wanted to know if I can use an old printer 
 that had been connected to my PC.  It is a
 Canon Image Class MF4100 Series 
  
 I found a Canon support page on the web with the drivers I would need but the 
 install CD's that came with the printer are for Windows.
  
 I am just confused enough over peripheral equipment that I don't have a clue 
 if I can use this printer or not.
  
 Recommendations would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
  
 Linda
  
 
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new mac mini, monitor problem?

[Anouk Radix]

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if, when you get the new gen mac mini, if you still need to 
connect an external monitor when working with voiceover for everything to work 
smoothly?
A friend of mine might be interested in one but only if you can use it without 
monitor because he is blind and lives alone.
Thanks in advance for the information,
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Re: new mac mini, monitor problem?

[james Walton]

hello
this has been discussed
sadly you do but, and i stress the word might i may have a theory
could you tell me which mac mini he will be getting?
the base or the upgraded mac mini
with the better video card?
thanks

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RE: new mac mini, monitor problem?

[Bill Holton]

My  experience with my new Mac Mini Server edition is it will work fine, but
it won't change any settings you change and the next time you restart it
will revert to previous settings.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anouk Radix
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: new mac mini, monitor problem?

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if, when you get the new gen mac mini, if you still need to
connect an external monitor when working with voiceover for everything to
work smoothly?
A friend of mine might be interested in one but only if you can use it
without monitor because he is blind and lives alone.
Thanks in advance for the information,
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Re: new mac mini, monitor problem?

[Chris Blouch]

As previously mentioned, you can also use the rigged up VGA to NTSC/PAL 
converter box to trick the Mac into thinking a real monitor is hooked 
up. Check the mail archive for details or post back if you can't find 
them and want to go that route.


CB

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hello
this has been discussed
sadly you do but, and i stress the word might i may have a theory
could you tell me which mac mini he will be getting?
the base or the upgraded mac mini
with the better video card?
thanks



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RE: new mac mini, monitor problem?

[Bill Holton]

Hey there.
Any thoughts on this?
I had my Mini connected to a high res HDMI Dell monitor for awhile, and it
worked fine.  I connected it to a KVM switch and now though the PC works
fine when I switch to the Mini all I get is a monitor setup prompt.  And now
if I connect the Mini directly, I get the same error.


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Subject: Re: new mac mini, monitor problem?

As previously mentioned, you can also use the rigged up VGA to NTSC/PAL 
converter box to trick the Mac into thinking a real monitor is hooked 
up. Check the mail archive for details or post back if you can't find 
them and want to go that route.

CB

On 9/8/11 5:09 AM, james Walton wrote:
 hello
 this has been discussed
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 could you tell me which mac mini he will be getting?
 the base or the upgraded mac mini
 with the better video card?
 thanks


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Re: new mac mini, monitor problem?

[Chris Blouch]

The Mac usually detects displays on waking up or restarting so if you 
didn't have the switch turned to the mac so it could detect the monitor 
it might be stuck in a weird state. You might be able to correct things 
by going to the Preferences-Displays and select the Detect Displays 
button which is supposed to re-run the hardware detection process. 
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but more often than not it 
gets things straightened out.


CB

On 9/8/11 2:06 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

Hey there.
Any thoughts on this?
I had my Mini connected to a high res HDMI Dell monitor for awhile, and it
worked fine.  I connected it to a KVM switch and now though the PC works
fine when I switch to the Mini all I get is a monitor setup prompt.  And now
if I connect the Mini directly, I get the same error.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac mini, monitor problem?

As previously mentioned, you can also use the rigged up VGA to NTSC/PAL
converter box to trick the Mac into thinking a real monitor is hooked
up. Check the mail archive for details or post back if you can't find
them and want to go that route.

CB

On 9/8/11 5:09 AM, james Walton wrote:

hello
this has been discussed
sadly you do but, and i stress the word might i may have a theory
could you tell me which mac mini he will be getting?
the base or the upgraded mac mini
with the better video card?
thanks



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