Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Eleanor Roberts
Hi all 

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering  
if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them to 
help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort 
out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the 
e-mail address will become irrelevant). 

But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

Many thanks. 

Eleanor 

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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Eric Oyen
be aware, there are 2 kinds of PDF out there:
1. text formatted
2. graphically scanned.

the first is generally easy to deal with most times and any methods described 
here work fairly well. The second type (image scanned) are a lot more 
problematic. As far as voiceover is concerned, they are blank. the only way to 
get any useful information out of them is to run them through an OCR program 
and then try to clean up the results into something semi-coherent. It is 
unbelievable the number of image scanned documents there are on government 
sites. the PDF document type has been around almost as long as the Americans 
with Disabilities at, and yet only 5% of those are even accessible. That, BTW, 
is only a rough estimate. The problem I see is that most government (and 
private sector) types don't like to take the slightly harder (but time saving) 
effort of creating a text version of any documents. they prefer the easy (and 
often more time wasting buy our standards) of scanning documents as images and 
simply saving them as a PDF. Most times, these scans are of such poor quality 
that OCR will often fail (or at the very least produce almost unusable 
results). The only exception I have seen to this are the major hard disk 
manufacturers. They use a combination of embedded images and real text (like a 
magazine or newspaper). There are some other manufacturers that also do this as 
a matter of course. They have come to realize that some of the people who use 
their products may be blind and have seen the wisdom of doing things right the 
first time Now if others would just see this point, life would be infinitely 
easier for everyone.

anyway, enough of my soapbox.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open the 
 preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new textedit 
 window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and can 
  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not nice 
 but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud   
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open the 
 preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new textedit 
 window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and can 
  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not nice 
 but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud   
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Kliph
The KNFB reader also can read them.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with 
 its Convenient OCR function.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 Sent from Type Mail http://r.typeapp.com/
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 08:32, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com 
 mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
 screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using 
 a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.  
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Abby Finer Reading. Was: Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries

Hi all.
I'm considering to buy Abby Fine Reader for Mac.
I wonder how much it is accessible and, if it could be useful to solve 
the issue we have on reading PDF file too. I mean, loading a PDF into it 
even thought the PDF is already readable and convert it in another 
format like pages or rtf, or doc.

Do you think it could be a good idea?
Thanks.
Gabriel.

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Re: Help with getmacapps.com.

2015-03-27 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Ah, that makes sence.
Thanks.
/A
 25 mar 2015 kl. 21:34 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com:
 
 How do you have Voiceover set, if you go to your Voiceover Utility, then 
 under the web category?  Are you set on DOM navigation, or group?
 
 If on Group, that may be part of your issue, as you'll first have to then 
 interact with the group containing the code, then vo+right arrow over to the 
 text box.  Then you should be able to copy it.
 
 Also remember that you have to select all with Command+A once in the edit 
 box.  Otherwise, you won't be copying the code, and therefore, pasting into 
 Terminal won't work.
 
 Chris.
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 - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:56 AM
 Subject: Help with getmacapps.com.
 
 
 Hi!
 Ok, so now i have been trying the getmac apps but it does not work properly 
 for me.
 I have picked apps and clicked install these.
 Then i copied the code from the textfield but i can not paste it in terminal.
 Not with shift command c.
 Not with command c either.
 Any thoughts?
 Thanks.
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread David Griffith
Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
nothing appears to have changed.

None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
Voiceover.
I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using a 
screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the filename 
title of the PDF document.  

It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the preferences.
David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Steve Nutt
Hi,

You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with its 
Convenient OCR function.

All the best

Steve

Sent from Type Mail



On 27 Mar 2015 08:32, at 08:32, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by
any screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe
and nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were
available to Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I
was using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the
filename title of the PDF document. 
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the
preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were
saying on Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO
support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A,
then open the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter
on “new textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can
read the text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the
right place and can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk
wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text
cmd+a then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new
document. Not nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d
like to know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread David Chittenden
Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.

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 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using 
 a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document. 
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Jamie Pauls
I have had no complaints about my iCloud account here. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all 
 
 I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
 e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering 
  if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
 good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
 any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them 
 to help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
 e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to 
 sort out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it 
 the e-mail address will become irrelevant). 
 
 But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
 appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know. 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Eleanor 
 
 Many thanks. 
 
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
Have you run a permissions repair from Disk Utility? I imagine erasing all your 
accounts and starting over could help too, but that's an extreme step. I can 
tell you that it's not the Mail app somehow needing more power; I use a Macbook 
Air with the low end processor and 4GB ram from 2012, and it runs perfectly. 
Your Mini has more than enough horsepower, so it has to be a problem with some 
files. At least, that's all I can think of.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:18 AM, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I have a 2.6 GHz Mac mini with latest Yosemite installed.
 
 I'm having a problem with the Mail application in that it's constantly 
 reporting Busy; this even the only thing I might do is to try to interact 
 with the Messages table.
 
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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Todor Fassl
Do you have a reason for not wanting to just set up a second gmail 
account? I just set up a second gmail account last night and the audio 
captcha was the best, clearest I've ever heard. In fact, I was able to 
type it into the form as it was spoken. All I had to do when it finished 
speaking was tab to the next field and continue setting up the account. 
It couldn't have been easier.
i all I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to 
set up another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. 
So was just wondering if anyone could recommend any other e-mail 
providers which are as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple 
training session this afternoon, so any suggestions before then would be 
much appreciated, then I can get them to help me set it up. My main 
reason for having one is so I can have a rescue e-mail for my Apple 
security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort out 2-step 
verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the e-mail 
address will become irrelevant). But nevertheless, any ideas on 
accessible e-mail providers would be much appreciated, as it's always 
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Christine Grassman
I have had this issue with far too much frequency lately, and only with 
mail. Permissions repair has helped in the past, but it did not work the past 
few times. What I was finding was as I tried to read my messages, whenever this 
problem occurred, I was hearing “900 cells selected” or something like that, 
when I had selected nothing. The only thing which seems to help me is stopping 
interaction with messages, going into the mailbox table, deselecting mailboxes, 
re-selecting my InBox, stopping interaction with the mailbox table and moving 
to the Messages column. I don’t know why, and sometimes I have to do this two 
or three times, but eventually it sorts itself out.  But it is excruciatingly 
annoying when it happens, since I cannot figure out what I am doing which 
causes it to occur in the first place. Good luck. 
Christine

P.s. I am using a MacBook Air with Mavericks.

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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread William Gallik
OK, where is Disk Utility to be found?

- Bill  Leader Dog Holland
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  Subject: Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts


  Have you run a permissions repair from Disk Utility? I imagine erasing all 
your accounts and starting over could help too, but that's an extreme step. I 
can tell you that it's not the Mail app somehow needing more power; I use a 
Macbook Air with the low end processor and 4GB ram from 2012, and it runs 
perfectly. Your Mini has more than enough horsepower, so it has to be a problem 
with some files. At least, that's all I can think of.

On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:18 AM, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:


I have a 2.6 GHz Mac mini with latest Yosemite installed.

I'm having a problem with the Mail application in that it's constantly 
reporting Busy; this even the only thing I might do is to try to interact with 
the Messages table.

What the H E Double-Hockey-Sticks?

- Bill  Leader Dog Holland
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
society.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 

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Re: Terminal command to concatenate all files in a folder

2015-03-27 Thread -
If doing a cat command to get one large rtf file presents problems use the 
textutil command to first convert all rtf to txt files.  Command:


textutil -convert txt *.rtf

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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Phil Halton
Okay, you are in the preview app right? and you’ve interacted with the PDF 
content group and then again with the text area and done a Command -A to select 
all the text?
Then from the menu bar enter the Preview menu and then the services submenu, 
and you still can’t find the service “new textedit window from selection”?

In that case you need to enable the service from the services preferences pane 
in system preferences. You can get there directly from the entry at the bottom 
of the services submenu.

In services preferences, select the shortcuts tab, then set focus to  services 
in the service categories table. Now jump to the shortcuts table with VO+J and 
arrow down through the table until you find “new textedit window with 
Selection” and make sure it is checked.
Tip: there’s a huge amount of entries you have to scroll through to get to the 
textedit entry. An easy way to get there is to collapse each category as you 
move down through the table. that way you won’t have to scroll through every 
entry in every category to get to the text category. The one you want is near 
the bottom of the “text” category.

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can’t find new textedit menu with selection in services. it’s mostly about 
 google and maps and looking up in dictionary and things like that. am I in 
 the wrong place?
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I haven’t heard of many experiencing this, so, I’m guessing that it has 
something to do with your personal configuration or situation.  That machine is 
plenty powerful enough to handle the job.  Some questions to determine what may 
be causing the issues:

1.  What Mail view do you use?  Modern or Classic?
2.  Do you have multiple Mail accounts?  i.e.., gMail, iCloud, local ISP?
3.  What protocol do your accounts use?  iMap, Pop, Exchange?
4.  Is your Preview pane enabled or disabled?
5.  Which navigation method do you normally use?  That is, navigate to message 
then VO-j to read it or navigate to the message then hit return to read it?

• If you have multiple accounts, try disabling all but one of them.  Does the 
busy tendency go away?  If so, turn on other accounts one at a time to try to 
determine which account may be causing the problem.  You disable accounts in 
Mail Prefs, in the Accounts pane.  Select the accounts from the Accounts table, 
then uncheck the “Enable this Account” checkbox.

• If your Preview pane is enabled, try disabling it to see if that makes a 
difference.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 08:09, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have had this issue with far too much frequency lately, and only with 
mail. Permissions repair has helped in the past, but it did not work the past 
few times. What I was finding was as I tried to read my messages, whenever this 
problem occurred, I was hearing “900 cells selected” or something like that, 
when I had selected nothing. The only thing which seems to help me is stopping 
interaction with messages, going into the mailbox table, deselecting mailboxes, 
re-selecting my InBox, stopping interaction with the mailbox table and moving 
to the Messages column. I don’t know why, and sometimes I have to do this two 
or three times, but eventually it sorts itself out.  But it is excruciatingly 
annoying when it happens, since I cannot figure out what I am doing which 
causes it to occur in the first place. Good luck. 
Christine

P.s. I am using a MacBook Air with Mavericks.

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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Phil Halton
There’s one more point in favor of KNFB. I just may have to plunk down the $$$.

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 The KNFB reader also can read them.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk 
 mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with 
 its Convenient OCR function.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 Sent from Type Mail http://r.typeapp.com/
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 08:32, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com 
 mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
 screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was 
 using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.  
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a 
 then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. 
 Not nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like 
 to know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
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 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, there 
should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I want 
 to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the first 
 window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
 
 Blessings,
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RE: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread george b
In that case I would say it is a security issue with your network and or server 
at work.  Contact your i. t. person and have them look into it for you.

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It does only happen at work, not home, so I often wonder if it has 
something to do with our Ethernet connection or server.
I do have both gmail and iCloud; I have Gmail set up to forward to my iCloud 
account. I use Pop. I will keep these hints in mind for future. Thank you. 
Christine

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Re: Abby Finer Reading. Was: Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Yes, ABBYY FineReader Pro is very accessible and will do what you want.

Cheers,

Anne

 On 27 Mar 2015, at 12:14, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hi all.
 I'm considering to buy Abby Fine Reader for Mac.
 I wonder how much it is accessible and, if it could be useful to solve the 
 issue we have on reading PDF file too. I mean, loading a PDF into it even 
 thought the PDF is already readable and convert it in another format like 
 pages or rtf, or doc.
 Do you think it could be a good idea?
 Thanks.
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

To access Disk Utility, go to the Finder, press cmd-shift-u then navigate 
through the Utilities folder to find Disk Utility.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 08:18, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:

OK, where is Disk Utility to be found?

- Bill  Leader Dog Holland
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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 Have you run a permissions repair from Disk Utility? I imagine erasing all 
 your accounts and starting over could help too, but that's an extreme step. I 
 can tell you that it's not the Mail app somehow needing more power; I use a 
 Macbook Air with the low end processor and 4GB ram from 2012, and it runs 
 perfectly. Your Mini has more than enough horsepower, so it has to be a 
 problem with some files. At least, that's all I can think of.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:18 AM, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net 
 mailto:wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I have a 2.6 GHz Mac mini with latest Yosemite installed.
 
 I'm having a problem with the Mail application in that it's constantly 
 reporting Busy; this even the only thing I might do is to try to interact 
 with the Messages table.
 
 What the H E Double-Hockey-Sticks?
 
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Christine Grassman
It does only happen at work, not home, so I often wonder if it has 
something to do with our Ethernet connection or server.
I do have both gmail and iCloud; I have Gmail set up to forward to my iCloud 
account. I use Pop. I will keep these hints in mind for future. Thank you. 
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making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hello all,
When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate window.
I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I want to 
be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the first window.
Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
Thanks very much.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: Abby Finer Reading. Was: Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries



Anne Robertson, alle 15:20 del 27/03/2015, digitò:

Yes, ABBYY FineReader Pro is very accessible and will do what you want.

Ciao Anne and thanks for your answer.
I own a quite old scanner. How do I know if it is compatible with my Mac 
and Abbyy Fine Reader?


Thanks once again.
Sincerely, Gabriel.

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Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Stacey Robinson
Alex
Do I check or uncheck this?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, there 
 should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I want 
 to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the first 
 window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
iCloud Mail is the way to go if you have an Apple ID. It's free and 
storage depends on how much is in your iCloud account. In other words 
the space is shared between Mail and all other data. The best thing with 
iCloud Mail is that no user configuration is required if you use the 
native Mail app on both iOS and OS X. But server settings are easily 
available from Apple's support pages if you use third party clients. 
Highly recommended.


On 27/03/2015 12:07, Jamie Pauls wrote:

I have had no complaints about my iCloud account here.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

Hi all

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering  
if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them to 
help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort 
out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the 
e-mail address will become irrelevant).

But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know.

Thanks.

Eleanor

Many thanks.

Eleanor

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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Bill Gallik
I had 3 accounts set up, but when this problem initially manifested itself I 
disabled all but my iCloud.com account.  That is set up as an IMAP account. 
But, both the iPhones I have also access this account; is it possible that 
may be causing some sort of problem?


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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts


Hi,

I haven’t heard of many experiencing this, so, I’m guessing that it has 
something to do with your personal configuration or situation.  That machine 
is plenty powerful enough to handle the job.  Some questions to determine 
what may be causing the issues:


1.  What Mail view do you use?  Modern or Classic?
2.  Do you have multiple Mail accounts?  i.e.., gMail, iCloud, local ISP?
3.  What protocol do your accounts use?  iMap, Pop, Exchange?
4.  Is your Preview pane enabled or disabled?
5.  Which navigation method do you normally use?  That is, navigate to 
message then VO-j to read it or navigate to the message then hit return to 
read it?


• If you have multiple accounts, try disabling all but one of them.  Does 
the busy tendency go away?  If so, turn on other accounts one at a time to 
try to determine which account may be causing the problem.  You disable 
accounts in Mail Prefs, in the Accounts pane.  Select the accounts from the 
Accounts table, then uncheck the “Enable this Account” checkbox.


• If your Preview pane is enabled, try disabling it to see if that makes a 
difference.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 08:09, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I have had this issue with far too much frequency lately, and only with 
mail. Permissions repair has helped in the past, but it did not work the 
past few times. What I was finding was as I tried to read my messages, 
whenever this problem occurred, I was hearing “900 cells selected” or 
something like that, when I had selected nothing. The only thing which seems 
to help me is stopping interaction with messages, going into the mailbox 
table, deselecting mailboxes, re-selecting my InBox, stopping interaction 
with the mailbox table and moving to the Messages column. I don’t know why, 
and sometimes I have to do this two or three times, but eventually it sorts 
itself out.  But it is excruciatingly annoying when it happens, since I 
cannot figure out what I am doing which causes it to occur in the first 
place. Good luck.

Christine

P.s. I am using a MacBook Air with Mavericks.

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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
At some level it doesn't really matter what email provider you use if 
you're just going to access them through IMAP/SMTP. The user interface 
will be the same Apple Mail. You could also check into AOL mail as it's 
also free and fairly reliable. Full disclosure - I do accessibility work 
for AOL.


CB

On 3/27/15 9:54 AM, Todor Fassl wrote:
Do you have a reason for not wanting to just set up a second gmail 
account? I just set up a second gmail account last night and the audio 
captcha was the best, clearest I've ever heard. In fact, I was able to 
type it into the form as it was spoken. All I had to do when it 
finished speaking was tab to the next field and continue setting up 
the account. It couldn't have been easier.
i all I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to 
set up another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. 
So was just wondering if anyone could recommend any other e-mail 
providers which are as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple 
training session this afternoon, so any suggestions before then would 
be much appreciated, then I can get them to help me set it up. My main 
reason for having one is so I can have a rescue e-mail for my Apple 
security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort out 2-step 
verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the 
e-mail address will become irrelevant). But nevertheless, any ideas on 
accessible e-mail providers would be much appreciated, as it's always 
good/useful to know. Thanks. Eleanor Many thanks. Eleanor Sent from my 
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Re: Abby Finer Reading. Was: Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Gabriel,

 On 27 Mar 2015, at 15:25, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 I own a quite old scanner. How do I know if it is compatible with my Mac and 
 Abbyy Fine Reader?
FineReader Pro recognises most scanners that are recognised by the Mac. So 
connect your scanner to your Mac and see whether Image Capture can see it. If 
it does, you should be fine with FineReader.

Cheers,

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Re: Adding contacts to groups?

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

You can select the contacts from your All contacts list, or any other list for 
that matter, copy them with cmd-c then change to the newly created group and 
paste them in with cmd-v.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:15, Sarah Amelia Sackville McLauchlan 
phantom.va...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all!  So, (I think) I’ve figured out how to create groups in my contacts on 
my Macbook pro.  But (and I hope this isn’t too duh a question) how do I add 
people to the groups I’ve created?  :-( It doesn’t seem to work like adding 
songs to a playlist in iTunes.  Or, am I just missing something?  Anyway, would 
appreciate help!

:-) Thanks.

= Sarah Amelia McLauchlan: composer and arranger, blogger, and, most of all, 
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Eric Oyen
um…. I didn't say any screen reader, I said specifically voiceover couldn't. 
BtW, jaws convenient OCR doesn't perform as well as Kurzweil OCR 1000. I should 
know, I just tried.

-eric

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:46 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

 Hi,
 
 You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with 
 its Convenient OCR function.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
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 Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
 screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.
 
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 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using 
 a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.  
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

A technicality I’m sure, but, the original assertion stands, no screen reader 
can read the image.  If OCR is performed on the image, then any screen reader, 
be it JAWS, Window Eyes, NVDA VoiceOver or even the old fashioned OUtSpoken for 
Mac could read it.  One person going through the effort of properly posting or 
creating their pdf makes less work for thousands of users after the fact.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:45, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

um…. I didn't say any screen reader, I said specifically voiceover couldn't. 
BtW, jaws convenient OCR doesn't perform as well as Kurzweil OCR 1000. I should 
know, I just tried.

-eric

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:46 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

 Hi,
 
 You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with 
 its Convenient OCR function.
 
 All the best
 
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 On 27 Mar 2015, at 08:32, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
 screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using 
 a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.  
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Eleanor Roberts
Hi all 

Thanks so muchh for all the useful information. I checked with my trainer this 
afternoon and I can't use my Icloud e-mail account as my rescue e-mail address 
in my Apple security settings. So I've got to set up an e-mail address which 
isn't Icloud for that purpose (so I can access my rescue e-mails if/when I need 
them). So I'll definitely be looking at the services you've all mentioned. 

Many thanks. 

Eleanor 

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 On 27 Mar 2015, at 15:32, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A really good paid option is Fastmail.  www.fastmail.com.
 
 It is extremely reliable.
 It works well with Voiceover if you use the classic interface.  The normal 
 one is doable but tricky.
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all 
 
 I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
 e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering 
  if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
 good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
 any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them 
 to help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
 e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to 
 sort out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it 
 the e-mail address will become irrelevant). 
 
 But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
 appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know. 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Eleanor 
 
 Many thanks. 
 
 Eleanor 
 
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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

No, that shouldn’t affect anything.  I have multiple devices accessing my 
iCloud account simultaneously both at home and at work.  I also have a gMail 
account through Google App, a Pop account through my ISP, and two other iMap 
accounts for other duties all configured through Mail with no busy problems at 
all.  What kind of router are you using?  Are you connected via WiFi or 
ethernet?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 08:58, Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:

I had 3 accounts set up, but when this problem initially manifested itself I 
disabled all but my iCloud.com account.  That is set up as an IMAP account. 
But, both the iPhones I have also access this account; is it possible that may 
be causing some sort of problem?

- Bill  Leader Dog Holland
- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts


Hi,

I haven’t heard of many experiencing this, so, I’m guessing that it has 
something to do with your personal configuration or situation.  That machine is 
plenty powerful enough to handle the job.  Some questions to determine what may 
be causing the issues:

1.  What Mail view do you use?  Modern or Classic?
2.  Do you have multiple Mail accounts?  i.e.., gMail, iCloud, local ISP?
3.  What protocol do your accounts use?  iMap, Pop, Exchange?
4.  Is your Preview pane enabled or disabled?
5.  Which navigation method do you normally use?  That is, navigate to message 
then VO-j to read it or navigate to the message then hit return to read it?

• If you have multiple accounts, try disabling all but one of them.  Does the 
busy tendency go away?  If so, turn on other accounts one at a time to try to 
determine which account may be causing the problem.  You disable accounts in 
Mail Prefs, in the Accounts pane.  Select the accounts from the Accounts table, 
then uncheck the “Enable this Account” checkbox.

• If your Preview pane is enabled, try disabling it to see if that makes a 
difference.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 08:09, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have had this issue with far too much frequency lately, and only with mail. 
Permissions repair has helped in the past, but it did not work the past few 
times. What I was finding was as I tried to read my messages, whenever this 
problem occurred, I was hearing “900 cells selected” or something like that, 
when I had selected nothing. The only thing which seems to help me is stopping 
interaction with messages, going into the mailbox table, deselecting mailboxes, 
re-selecting my InBox, stopping interaction with the mailbox table and moving 
to the Messages column. I don’t know why, and sometimes I have to do this two 
or three times, but eventually it sorts itself out.  But it is excruciatingly 
annoying when it happens, since I cannot figure out what I am doing which 
causes it to occur in the first place. Good luck.
Christine

P.s. I am using a MacBook Air with Mavericks.

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RE: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread george b
You want the check box unchecked it it checked it opens tags

 

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Subject: Re: making folders open in new windows

 

I think you'd want it unchecked. I've never paid much attention to how folders 
open--I use cmd-n if I need a new window--but it seems like you'd want windows 
and not tabs.

On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net  wrote:

 

Alex

Do I check or uncheck this?

 

Blessings,

Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.



mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

 

On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com  wrote:

 

In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, there 
should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of windows.

On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net  wrote:

 

Hello all,

When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate window.

I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.

When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I want to 
be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the first window.

Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?

Thanks very much.

 

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Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Barry Hadder
Note That checkbox only changes the open in new tab menu item to open in new 
window.  It does not cause folders to automatically open in a new window.  I 
believe it is possible to assign a keyboard shortcut to it in system 
preferences though.

In Lion, the box would cause folders to open in new windows, but it works 
differently in Yosemite.  I don’t know what version of OS X started this, but 
probably the one that introduced tabs.


On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:26 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:

You want the check box unchecked it it checked it opens tags
 
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I think you'd want it unchecked. I've never paid much attention to how folders 
open--I use cmd-n if I need a new window--but it seems like you'd want windows 
and not tabs.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Alex
 Do I check or uncheck this?
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
  
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, 
 there should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of 
 windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I 
 want to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the 
 first window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
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Adding contacts to groups?

2015-03-27 Thread Sarah Amelia Sackville McLauchlan
Hi all!  So, (I think) I’ve figured out how to create groups in my contacts on 
my Macbook pro.  But (and I hope this isn’t too duh a question) how do I add 
people to the groups I’ve created?  :-( It doesn’t seem to work like adding 
songs to a playlist in iTunes.  Or, am I just missing something?  Anyway, would 
appreciate help!

:-) Thanks.

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the voice of the Radical Dark Dreamers!

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Jon Solitro
I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
update, or can I expect slower operation?

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:

  Hi all,

 I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to 
 say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than 
 on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
 slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started 
 looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too 
 much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and 
 do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some 
 mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 
 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band 
 pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars 
 for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. 
 Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans 
 aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an 
 apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future.

 Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you 
 who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic 
 things:
 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple 
 makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or 
 app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way 
 around.
 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively 
 create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction 
 of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving 
 us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy 
 with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software 
 division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one 
 or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers 
 presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, 
 so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style 
 crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
 wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
 creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
 companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
 broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s 
 broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar 
 piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to 
 throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly 
 not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, 
 mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is 
 starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but 
 a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion 
 of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably 
 more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each 
 year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never 
 had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? 
 Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is 
 portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs 
 when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when 
 this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the 
 graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of 
 actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers.

 Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 








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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread David Griffith
OK I checked for updates and it told me I had the  latest version so the 
accessible VO version is hopefully yet to come.


David Griffith

On 27/03/2015 15:18, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed 
version.


CB

On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe 
and nothing appears to have changed.


None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were 
available to Voiceover.
I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I 
was using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful result.
The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
filename title of the PDF document.


It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
preferences.

David Griffith
On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were 
saying on Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO 
support.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/

On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:


another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, 
then open the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press 
enter on “new textedit window with selection”.

It does exactly what it sounds like.
First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can 
read the text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the 
right place and can  select all.


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mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:




Hello,

I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text 
cmd+a then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a 
new document. Not nice but it works for me.


Gena
On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:


I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d 
like to know how to save a pdf as text.
My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud


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Hello,
What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
Chris

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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
My problem with iCloud Mail is the web interface. I use iCloud Mail because I 
use Apple devices, and setting up my account is as easy as checking a box. 
However, making changes for message rules, aliases, and other web-based changes 
is nearly impossible. Unless the website has gotten way better in the months 
since I've tried it, you will save yourself a lot of frustration if you just 
get sighted help for that part of things.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
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 iCloud Mail is the way to go if you have an Apple ID. It's free and storage 
 depends on how much is in your iCloud account. In other words the space is 
 shared between Mail and all other data. The best thing with iCloud Mail is 
 that no user configuration is required if you use the native Mail app on both 
 iOS and OS X. But server settings are easily available from Apple's support 
 pages if you use third party clients. Highly recommended.
 
 On 27/03/2015 12:07, Jamie Pauls wrote:
 I have had no complaints about my iCloud account here.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up 
 another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just 
 wondering  if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are 
 as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this 
 afternoon, so any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then 
 I can get them to help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I 
 can have a rescue e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the 
 process of trying to sort out 2-step verification for that (if that works 
 then as I understand it the e-mail address will become irrelevant).
 
 But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
 appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
 
 Many thanks.
 
 Eleanor
 
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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Barry Hadder
A really good paid option is Fastmail.  www.fastmail.com.

It is extremely reliable.
It works well with Voiceover if you use the classic interface.  The normal one 
is doable but tricky.

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wrote:

Hi all 

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering  
if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them to 
help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort 
out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the 
e-mail address will become irrelevant). 

But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

Many thanks. 

Eleanor 

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Re: is the thermosmart app accessible?

2015-03-27 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
I haven't tried every feature but the iOS app for the Honeywell 
thermostats seems somewhat accessible. There are things like the temp 
up/down buttons for heat and for cooling are read across by row instead 
of as a group but it can be used. Initial setup needs sighted assistance 
as there is a number displayed on the thermostat screen that has to be 
typed into a web page to set the web stuff up but after that you can 
pretty much ignore the thermostat on the wall. The website is hit or 
miss. Apparently it does something weird with caching so the page often 
times doesn't load right.


CB

On 3/26/15 6:22 PM, William Windels wrote:

Hello everyone,
Is here someone who has experiences with the thermosmart and the corrresponding 
application on the iphone?
I have used the nest thermostat for some months but I will bring it back since 
my boiler isn't compatible completely with the nest thermostat or revers.
The boiler uses a open protocol to communicate with the thermostat and the nest 
thermostat is a closed protecol.

So, before I should decide to buy the thermosmart thermostat, the thermostart 
that uses the open protocol, I would like to know if the app is enough 
accessible with voiceover on the iphone.

Any hints are very welcome.

Kind regards,
William Windels

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Re: alva bc640 ot question

2015-03-27 Thread Stuart Russell
you might check with Larry Lewis of flying-blind.com http://flying-blind.com/.
He has represented Optelec for many years. He should be able to help you obtain 
the right power adapter. 

Stuart


 On Mar 27, 2015, at 8:32 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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 According to their specs it's a 5 volt 1.5 Amp power supply. They don't say 
 anything about the shape of the plug and of course say not to use any other 
 power supply.
 
 CB
 
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 Hi All,
  
 I have a stupid off topic question.  Does anyone have an optelec alva bc640 
 braille display?   I seem to have lost my power adapter, and want to know if 
 anyone on this list has one and could describe it to me?  I have a bunch of 
 adapters, but can’t remember which one is it.
  
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed 
version.


CB

On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe 
and nothing appears to have changed.


None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available 
to Voiceover.
I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was 
using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result.
The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
filename title of the PDF document.


It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
preferences.

David Griffith
On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were 
saying on Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO 
support.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/

On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:


another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then 
open the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on 
“new textedit window with selection”.

It does exactly what it sounds like.
First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can 
read the text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the 
right place and can  select all.


On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:




Hello,

I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text 
cmd+a then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a 
new document. Not nice but it works for me.


Gena
On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:


I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d 
like to know how to save a pdf as text.
My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud


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Hello,
What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
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Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
I think you'd want it unchecked. I've never paid much attention to how folders 
open--I use cmd-n if I need a new window--but it seems like you'd want windows 
and not tabs.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Alex
 Do I check or uncheck this?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
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 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, 
 there should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of 
 windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I 
 want to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the 
 first window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
 
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Re: alva bc640 ot question

2015-03-27 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
According to their specs it's a 5 volt 1.5 Amp power supply. They don't 
say anything about the shape of the plug and of course say not to use 
any other power supply.


CB

On 3/26/15 9:04 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:


Hi All,

I have a stupid off topic question.  Does anyone have an optelec alva 
bc640 braille display?   I seem to have lost my power adapter, and 
want to know if anyone on this list has one and could describe it to 
me?  I have a bunch of adapters, but can’t remember which one is it.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Oh yes, you cannot use iCloud Mail as your rescue email nor can you in 
fact use it as your Apple ID folks. I overlooked this at the time but 
this reply reminded me of this fact.


On 27/03/2015 17:43, Eleanor Roberts wrote:

Hi all

Thanks so muchh for all the useful information. I checked with my trainer this 
afternoon and I can't use my Icloud e-mail account as my rescue e-mail address 
in my Apple security settings. So I've got to set up an e-mail address which 
isn't Icloud for that purpose (so I can access my rescue e-mails if/when I need 
them). So I'll definitely be looking at the services you've all mentioned.

Many thanks.

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad


On 27 Mar 2015, at 15:32, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

A really good paid option is Fastmail.  www.fastmail.com.

It is extremely reliable.
It works well with Voiceover if you use the classic interface.  The normal one 
is doable but tricky.

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

Hi all

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up another 
e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was just wondering  
if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which are as 
good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this afternoon, so 
any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then I can get them to 
help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue 
e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to sort 
out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I understand it the 
e-mail address will become irrelevant).

But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know.

Thanks.

Eleanor

Many thanks.

Eleanor

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Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Tim,
I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me a 
lot further with installing flash player.
I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the I 
agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back into 
finder. It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't. 
Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
Thanks so much.

Lisette

 On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with 
 it, VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area that 
 is usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, 
 Chrome, System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will need 
 to be quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I often 
 get a message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and the 
 only way I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it is 
 not really an app.
 
 A few questions:
 
 • Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
 • If so, what version does it say you have installed?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
 I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really 
 buggy or something?
 I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
 app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer username 
 and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window called adobe 
 flash player installer. Next to this is an installer helper html area which 
 is empty. That's all. There's a close button and nothing else, and nothing 
 seems to be installing. 
 I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
 download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?
 
 Lisette
 a 
 On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
 varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,
 
 • Go to System Preferences.
 • Press on the Flash button.
 • Select the Advanced pane.
 • Interact with the Scroll area.
 • Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
 • If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this 
 point.  Choose Update.
 
 This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
 installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, 
 then I press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and you 
 can open the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If Safari 
 or another Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause asking you 
 to quit them all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, sometimes not.  If 
 the “Flash Bridge Cross Platform” service is running, you’ll need to quit 
 that process from the Activity Monitor app which is located in the Utilities 
 folder.
 
 Other than that, the only thing you may need to do is use VO-shift-space to 
 activate a button while in the Flash Installer as the regular VO-space 
 doesn’t work for these buttons.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:11, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think it's the Adobi Flash Player, but I'll find out more accurately for 
 you. Sorry I can't be more  help yet, but quite frankly I don't really know 
 what he's on about as I don't use it. 
 
 Eleanor 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Which Adobe product is he using?
 
 Best.
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 09:37, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all 
 
 I'm asking this  on behalf of a friend. He has a Mac, and uses Adobi an 
 awful lot to listen to media files (radio etc I believe). Anyway, he wants 
 to update Adobi but doesn't know how to do it on his Mac using VO, as this 
 is the first time he's had to update since getting the computer. So was 
 wondering if someone who does know could send me some instructions  whichh 
 I could pass on to him on how to do this? 
 
 Many thanks. 
 
 Eleanor 
 
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Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread David Griffith
Although I have not had this exact problem generally on Adobe Flash 
installs I encounter 2 problems.
1. You tend to have to use shift vo space to activate the buttons. so it 
might be worth doing this as well to see if it prevents you being dumped 
out of the install app..
2. The install tends to throw up helper htm windows with messages like 
close Safari to complete the install and other things. These can remove 
focus from the install app so you need  to use Window Chooser to 
interact with these windows and respond to them.


David Griffith
rto On 27/03/2015 19:22, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

Hi Tim,
I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me a 
lot further with installing flash player.
I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the I 
agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back into finder. 
It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't.
Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
Thanks so much.

Lisette


On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with it, 
VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area that is 
usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, Chrome, 
System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will need to be 
quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I often get a 
message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and the only way 
I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it is not really an 
app.

A few questions:

• Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
• If so, what version does it say you have installed?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really buggy 
or something?
I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer username 
and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window called adobe flash 
player installer. Next to this is an installer helper html area which is empty. 
That's all. There's a close button and nothing else, and nothing seems to be 
installing.
I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?

Lisette
a

On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,

• Go to System Preferences.
• Press on the Flash button.
• Select the Advanced pane.
• Interact with the Scroll area.
• Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
• If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this point.  
Choose Update.

This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, then I 
press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and you can open 
the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If Safari or another 
Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause asking you to quit them 
all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, sometimes not.  If the “Flash 
Bridge Cross Platform” service is running, you’ll need to quit that process 
from the Activity Monitor app which is located in the Utilities folder.

Other than that, the only thing you may need to do is use VO-shift-space to 
activate a button while in the Flash Installer as the regular VO-space doesn’t 
work for these buttons.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:11, Eleanor Roberts eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

I think it's the Adobi Flash Player, but I'll find out more accurately for you. 
Sorry I can't be more  help yet, but quite frankly I don't really know what 
he's on about as I don't use it.

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad


On 26 Mar 2015, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

Which Adobe product is he using?

Best.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2015, at 09:37, Eleanor Roberts eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

Hi all

I'm asking this  on behalf of a friend. He has a Mac, and uses Adobi an awful 
lot to listen to media files (radio etc I believe). Anyway, he wants to update 
Adobi but doesn't know how to do it on his Mac using VO, as this is the first 
time he's had to update since getting the computer. So was wondering if someone 
who does know could send me some instructions  whichh I could pass on to him on 
how to do this?

Many thanks.

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Kevin Cussick
Hello,   I did a disk permissions last night took over night!  I still get busy 
now and again with mail but it is now working.
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 13:55, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Have you run a permissions repair from Disk Utility? I imagine erasing all 
 your accounts and starting over could help too, but that's an extreme step. I 
 can tell you that it's not the Mail app somehow needing more power; I use a 
 Macbook Air with the low end processor and 4GB ram from 2012, and it runs 
 perfectly. Your Mini has more than enough horsepower, so it has to be a 
 problem with some files. At least, that's all I can think of.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:18 AM, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I have a 2.6 GHz Mac mini with latest Yosemite installed.
 
 I'm having a problem with the Mail application in that it's constantly 
 reporting Busy; this even the only thing I might do is to try to interact 
 with the Messages table.
 
 What the H E Double-Hockey-Sticks?
 
 - Bill  Leader Dog Holland
 - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
 society.
 - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 
 
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fantastiCal 2 on the MAC

2015-03-27 Thread denise avant
Hello all,
I have heard that there has been a new release of FantastiCal 2 for the MAC. 
This program is very accessible on the ios devices. Does anyone know how 
accessible it is with VO? Thanks.

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Faisal ali
In short, you need to update if you expect to take advantage of app updates. As 
IOS 8 is more widely used, more and more app developers will stop supporting 
IOS7.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jon Solitro jon.soli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
 found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
 update, or can I expect slower operation?
 
 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say 
 that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my 
 iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
 slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started 
 looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too 
 much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and 
 do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some 
 mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 
 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing 
 their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone 
 that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has 
 some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my 
 style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and 
 wait for a genius to tell me my future.
 
 Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who 
 want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things:
 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes 
 money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
 developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create 
 experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that 
 experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good 
 experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design 
 skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming 
 from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust 
 in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last 
 apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all 
 that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, 
 efficient and snappy interfaces.
 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
 wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
 creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
 companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
 broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, 
 it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
 hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
 damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
 good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
 sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
 terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
 tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind 
 murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than 
 should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely 
 straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill 
 time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the 
 case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a 
 disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite 
 literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, 
 from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, 
 should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, 
 and let’s not forget screen readers.
 
 Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Light has no value without darkness
 Mob: +612102277190
 Skype: Shainobi1
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RE: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread george b
What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested in this 
please.

 

thanks

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

 

I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
update, or can I expect slower operation?


On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:

Hi all,

 

I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say 
that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my 
iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness 
when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking for 
alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into the 
“let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in 
case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was 
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up 
like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life 
experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do 
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But 
their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can 
listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me 
my future.

 

Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who 
want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things:

1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes 
money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.

2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create 
experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that 
experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good 
experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design 
skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming 
from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in 
this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last 
apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all 
that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, 
efficient and snappy interfaces.

3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish 
I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating 
real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most companies 
follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and 
updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it should be 
free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get 
clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the 
window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a 
computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and visually 
impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting 
it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only 
manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s 
ears, the latter being probably more complacent than should be, thus giving us 
this weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook 
who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss 
in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style 
apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and 
aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when 
this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the 
graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual 
interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers.

 

Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yuma Antoine Decaux

Light has no value without darkness

Mob: +612102277190

Skype: Shainobi1

twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7

 

 

 

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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I’m guessing that you were either confused between the iOS version and the Mac 
version, or someone believes that using Adobe Reader’s “Read Out Loud” feature 
constitutes being accessible.  Supposedly, the iOS version of Adobe Reader has 
VO support, although I can’t confirm at this point.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 09:45, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

OK I checked for updates and it told me I had the  latest version so the 
accessible VO version is hopefully yet to come.

David Griffith

On 27/03/2015 15:18, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed version.
 
 CB
 
 On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using 
 a screen reader but this again provided  no useful result.
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then 
 copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not 
 nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to 
 know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread David Griffith
Absolutely no confusion on my part. If you check the earlier thread you will 
see Jonathan said Adobe had announced that they released a VO Accessible 
version of Adobe Reader for the Mac on Twitter yesterday.

David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 18:23, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’m guessing that you were either confused between the iOS version and the 
 Mac version, or someone believes that using Adobe Reader’s “Read Out Loud” 
 feature constitutes being accessible.  Supposedly, the iOS version of Adobe 
 Reader has VO support, although I can’t confirm at this point.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 09:45, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK I checked for updates and it told me I had the  latest version so the 
 accessible VO version is hopefully yet to come.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 27/03/2015 15:18, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed 
 version.
 
 CB
 
 On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was 
 using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful result.
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a 
 then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. 
 Not nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like 
 to know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Numbers: link to local files

2015-03-27 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi,

is it possible to link in a cell to a document on my hard drive? I found away 
to link to a web address but not to a local file. I want Numbers to open the 
linked file in the determined app. 

I tried File:///Users/MyUser/Example.pdf to use the url service  but it didn't 
work. 

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Nor have I, aside from I get spam like crazy there, and am constantly having 
to set up filters to block all the crap.


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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from 
Gmail?



I have had no complaints about my iCloud account here.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts 
eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:


Hi all

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set up 
another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. So was 
just wondering  if anyone could recommend any other e-mail providers which 
are as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple training session this 
afternoon, so any suggestions before then would  be much appreciated, then 
I can get them to help me set it up. My main reason for having one is so I 
can have a rescue e-mail for my Apple security, though I am also in the 
process of trying to sort out 2-step verification for that (if that works 
then as I understand it the e-mail address will become irrelevant).


But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be much 
appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know.


Thanks.

Eleanor

Many thanks.

Eleanor

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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

From the Adobe Accessibility blog:

http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2015/03/acrobat-dc-accessibility-update.html

They say the upcoming release not that it is actually released yet. 
Also they say this is the release of Adobe Reader DC where DC stands 
for Document Cloud. No idea what that is but it sounds like something 
I'll need an account and/or subscription to make use of. Their link to 
the announcement is broken but I was able to find this:


http://blogs.adobe.com/adobereader/2015/03/introducing-adobe-document-cloud.html

which eventually has links to

http://landing.adobe.com/en/na/products/document-cloud/announce.html

which is probably where the first link was supposed to go. At the very 
end it talks about How to buy Document Cloud and Acrobat DC but it 
doesn't clarify what might be needed just to use Adobe Reader DC. This 
press release dated March 17


http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201503/031715AdobeIntroducesDocumentCloud.html

says Adobe Document Cloud and Acrobat DC are expected to be available 
within 30 days so that means mid-April. Subscriptions to DC are $14.99 a 
month but still nothing about costs to just open a PDF with Adobe Reader DC.


CB

On 3/27/15 2:35 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Absolutely no confusion on my part. If you check the earlier thread you will 
see Jonathan said Adobe had announced that they released a VO Accessible 
version of Adobe Reader for the Mac on Twitter yesterday.

David Griffith

On 27 Mar 2015, at 18:23, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

I’m guessing that you were either confused between the iOS version and the Mac 
version, or someone believes that using Adobe Reader’s “Read Out Loud” feature 
constitutes being accessible.  Supposedly, the iOS version of Adobe Reader has 
VO support, although I can’t confirm at this point.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 09:45, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

OK I checked for updates and it told me I had the  latest version so the 
accessible VO version is hopefully yet to come.

David Griffith

On 27/03/2015 15:18, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed version.

CB

On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
nothing appears to have changed.

None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
Voiceover.
I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was using a 
screen reader but this again provided  no useful result.
The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the filename 
title of the PDF document.

It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the preferences.
David Griffith

On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/


On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:

another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open the 
preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new textedit 
window with selection”.
It does exactly what it sounds like.
First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the text 
with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and can  
select all.


On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:



Hello,

I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a then copy 
cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. Not nice but it 
works for me.

Gena

On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:

I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like to know 
how to save a pdf as text.
My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud


On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,
What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
Chris

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Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Jürgen Fleger
My personal solution for this is to do it in two steps:
1. Press CMD + n to open a real new window.
2. press the hotkey for the desired folder like CMD + Shift + o to open 
documents folder, CMD + Shift + h to open the home folder, and so forth.

Now I'm able to switch between these windows by pressing CMD +  or close one 
window after another by pressing CMD + w. Maybe a work around for you as well.

All the best
Jürgen



 Am 27.03.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com:
 
 Note That checkbox only changes the open in new tab menu item to open in new 
 window.  It does not cause folders to automatically open in a new window.  I 
 believe it is possible to assign a keyboard shortcut to it in system 
 preferences though.
 
 In Lion, the box would cause folders to open in new windows, but it works 
 differently in Yosemite.  I don’t know what version of OS X started this, but 
 probably the one that introduced tabs.
 
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:26 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You want the check box unchecked it it checked it opens tags
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 08:22
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 Subject: Re: making folders open in new windows
  
 I think you'd want it unchecked. I've never paid much attention to how 
 folders open--I use cmd-n if I need a new window--but it seems like you'd 
 want windows and not tabs.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Alex
 Do I check or uncheck this?
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
  
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, 
 there should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of 
 windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I 
 want to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the 
 first window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
  
 Blessings,
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Re: Help with getmacapps.com.

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Folks,

We had a major issue the other night with our servers, and that is why I 
didn't get that recording to you all that I promised sooner.


Anyway, it's done.

If you go to:

http://www.clgproductions.net

Once here, click on Blog and Podcast.

Then, look with heading navigation at the most recent post.

If you absolutely cannot locate the link, let me know, but I'd prefer people 
actually download directly through the web site.


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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Help with getmacapps.com.



Hi!
Ah, that makes sence.
Thanks.
/A
25 mar 2015 kl. 21:34 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com:


How do you have Voiceover set, if you go to your Voiceover Utility, then 
under the web category?  Are you set on DOM navigation, or group?


If on Group, that may be part of your issue, as you'll first have to then 
interact with the group containing the code, then vo+right arrow over to 
the text box.  Then you should be able to copy it.


Also remember that you have to select all with Command+A once in the edit 
box.  Otherwise, you won't be copying the code, and therefore, pasting 
into Terminal won't work.


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- Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:56 AM
Subject: Help with getmacapps.com.



Hi!
Ok, so now i have been trying the getmac apps but it does not work 
properly for me.

I have picked apps and clicked install these.
Then i copied the code from the textfield but i can not paste it in 
terminal.

Not with shift command c.
Not with command c either.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
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Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Adobe is moving lots of productivity towards the cloud based solutions.  
Creative Cloud allows for a pseudo web-based version of the PhotoShop, Premiere 
Creative Suite and the Document Cloud is probably part of that same sort of 
movement.  Sorry, was following the whole thread but must have let the initial 
part of the conversation fly out of my head.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:48, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

From the Adobe Accessibility blog:

http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2015/03/acrobat-dc-accessibility-update.html

They say the upcoming release not that it is actually released yet. Also they 
say this is the release of Adobe Reader DC where DC stands for Document 
Cloud. No idea what that is but it sounds like something I'll need an account 
and/or subscription to make use of. Their link to the announcement is broken 
but I was able to find this:

http://blogs.adobe.com/adobereader/2015/03/introducing-adobe-document-cloud.html

which eventually has links to

http://landing.adobe.com/en/na/products/document-cloud/announce.html

which is probably where the first link was supposed to go. At the very end it 
talks about How to buy Document Cloud and Acrobat DC but it doesn't clarify 
what might be needed just to use Adobe Reader DC. This press release dated 
March 17

http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201503/031715AdobeIntroducesDocumentCloud.html

says Adobe Document Cloud and Acrobat DC are expected to be available within 30 
days so that means mid-April. Subscriptions to DC are $14.99 a month but still 
nothing about costs to just open a PDF with Adobe Reader DC.

CB

On 3/27/15 2:35 PM, David Griffith wrote:
 Absolutely no confusion on my part. If you check the earlier thread you will 
 see Jonathan said Adobe had announced that they released a VO Accessible 
 version of Adobe Reader for the Mac on Twitter yesterday.
 
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 18:23, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’m guessing that you were either confused between the iOS version and the 
 Mac version, or someone believes that using Adobe Reader’s “Read Out Loud” 
 feature constitutes being accessible.  Supposedly, the iOS version of Adobe 
 Reader has VO support, although I can’t confirm at this point.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 09:45, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK I checked for updates and it told me I had the  latest version so the 
 accessible VO version is hopefully yet to come.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 27/03/2015 15:18, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 11.0.10 was released December 2014 so I suspect that is not the fixed 
 version.
 
 CB
 
 On 3/27/15 4:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was 
 using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful result.
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying 
 on Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then 
 open the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on 
 “new textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read 
 the text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right 
 place and can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk 
 mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a 
 then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new 
 document. Not nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like 
 to know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud 
 http://www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com 
 mailto:chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
 

Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Tim and David,
Thanks for your suggestions. Pressing space bar on the license check box and 
then on the install button certainly got me further. I then type in my computer 
password, press ok, and then the installer just says installer ready and 
there's a close button and a done image, with no area to interact with so no 
progress bar to check if it's actually installing. I guess I'll just do without 
flash as I can't figure out how to use this   very odd installer.
Thanks for your help though. I do appreciate it.

 On 28/03/2015, at 9:49 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 In addition to David’s comments, in lots of Adobe installers, you can often 
 just use the space to check boxes like that and use your tab to navigate 
 around if VO doesn’t work normally.  It’s good to have a toolbox full of 
 options when your normal VO commands don’t seem to result in what you want.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 14:23, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Although I have not had this exact problem generally on Adobe Flash installs 
 I encounter 2 problems.
 1. You tend to have to use shift vo space to activate the buttons. so it 
 might be worth doing this as well to see if it prevents you being dumped out 
 of the install app..
 2. The install tends to throw up helper htm windows with messages like 
 close Safari to complete the install and other things. These can remove focus 
 from the install app so you need  to use Window Chooser to interact with 
 these windows and respond to them.
 
 David Griffith
 rto On 27/03/2015 19:22, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me 
 a lot further with installing flash player.
 I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the 
 I agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back 
 into finder. It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't.
 Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with 
 it, VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area 
 that is usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, 
 Chrome, System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will 
 need to be quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I 
 often get a message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and 
 the only way I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it 
 is not really an app.
 
 A few questions:
 
 • Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
 • If so, what version does it say you have installed?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
 I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really 
 buggy or something?
 I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
 app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer 
 username and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window 
 called adobe flash player installer. Next to this is an installer helper 
 html area which is empty. That's all. There's a close button and nothing 
 else, and nothing seems to be installing.
 I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
 download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?
 
 Lisette
 a
 On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
 varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,
 
 • Go to System Preferences.
 • Press on the Flash button.
 • Select the Advanced pane.
 • Interact with the Scroll area.
 • Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
 • If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this 
 point.  Choose Update.
 
 This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
 installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, 
 then I press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and 
 you can open the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If 
 Safari or another Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause 
 asking you to quit them all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, 
 sometimes not.  If the “Flash Bridge Cross Platform” service is running, 
 you’ll need to quit that process from the Activity Monitor app which is 
 located in the Utilities folder.
 
 Other than that, the only thing you may need to do is use VO-shift-space 
 to activate a button while in the Flash Installer as the regular VO-space 
 doesn’t work for these buttons.
 
 HTH.
 
 

Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Oh looks like it installed after all. I'm now running the latest update 
according to system prefs. It was not clear anything had actually happened 
during the installation. 
Pressing space bar on the buttons certainly helps. And you can't always rely on 
vo f 5 to tell you the truth either. It said the button in question wasn't 
under the mouse, but when I pressed space bar on the button it did activate the 
button I was trying to activate. So something weird is going on there.
Thanks for your help guys. I'll know what to do for next time.

Cheers
Lisette

 On 28/03/2015, at 9:49 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 In addition to David’s comments, in lots of Adobe installers, you can often 
 just use the space to check boxes like that and use your tab to navigate 
 around if VO doesn’t work normally.  It’s good to have a toolbox full of 
 options when your normal VO commands don’t seem to result in what you want.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 14:23, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Although I have not had this exact problem generally on Adobe Flash installs 
 I encounter 2 problems.
 1. You tend to have to use shift vo space to activate the buttons. so it 
 might be worth doing this as well to see if it prevents you being dumped out 
 of the install app..
 2. The install tends to throw up helper htm windows with messages like 
 close Safari to complete the install and other things. These can remove focus 
 from the install app so you need  to use Window Chooser to interact with 
 these windows and respond to them.
 
 David Griffith
 rto On 27/03/2015 19:22, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me 
 a lot further with installing flash player.
 I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the 
 I agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back 
 into finder. It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't.
 Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with 
 it, VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area 
 that is usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, 
 Chrome, System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will 
 need to be quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I 
 often get a message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and 
 the only way I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it 
 is not really an app.
 
 A few questions:
 
 • Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
 • If so, what version does it say you have installed?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
 I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really 
 buggy or something?
 I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
 app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer 
 username and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window 
 called adobe flash player installer. Next to this is an installer helper 
 html area which is empty. That's all. There's a close button and nothing 
 else, and nothing seems to be installing.
 I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
 download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?
 
 Lisette
 a
 On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
 varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,
 
 • Go to System Preferences.
 • Press on the Flash button.
 • Select the Advanced pane.
 • Interact with the Scroll area.
 • Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
 • If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this 
 point.  Choose Update.
 
 This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
 installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, 
 then I press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and 
 you can open the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If 
 Safari or another Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause 
 asking you to quit them all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, 
 sometimes not.  If the “Flash Bridge Cross Platform” service is running, 
 you’ll need to quit that process from the Activity Monitor app which is 
 located in the Utilities folder.
 
 Other than that, the only thing you may need to do is use VO-shift-space 
 to activate a button while in the Flash Installer as the regular VO-space 
 

Re: Can anyone recommend any accessible e-mail providers apart from Gmail?

2015-03-27 Thread Matthew Dyer

Hi,

Checkwith your ISP and see if they offer a free email account as mine 
does.  Just a thought.


Matthew



On 03/27/2015 11:24 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
My problem with iCloud Mail is the web interface. I use iCloud Mail 
because I use Apple devices, and setting up my account is as easy as 
checking a box. However, making changes for message rules, aliases, 
and other web-based changes is nearly impossible. Unless the website 
has gotten way better in the months since I've tried it, you will save 
yourself a lot of frustration if you just get sighted help for that 
part of things.
On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
challswor...@icloud.com mailto:challswor...@icloud.com wrote:


iCloud Mail is the way to go if you have an Apple ID. It's free and 
storage depends on how much is in your iCloud account. In other words 
the space is shared between Mail and all other data. The best thing 
with iCloud Mail is that no user configuration is required if you use 
the native Mail app on both iOS and OS X. But server settings are 
easily available from Apple's support pages if you use third party 
clients. Highly recommended.


On 27/03/2015 12:07, Jamie Pauls wrote:

I have had no complaints about my iCloud account here.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Eleanor Roberts 
eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com 
mailto:eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:


Hi all

I know this is a bit of a random question, but I'm looking to set 
up another e-mail account as well as the Gmail one I already have. 
So was just wondering  if anyone could recommend any other e-mail 
providers which are as good/accessible as Gmail? I have my Apple 
training session this afternoon, so any suggestions before then 
would  be much appreciated, then I can get them to help me set it 
up. My main reason for having one is so I can have a rescue e-mail 
for my Apple security, though I am also in the process of trying to 
sort out 2-step verification for that (if that works then as I 
understand it the e-mail address will become irrelevant).


But nevertheless, any ideas on accessible e-mail providers would be 
much appreciated, as it's always good/useful to know.


Thanks.

Eleanor

Many thanks.

Eleanor

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Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

In addition to David’s comments, in lots of Adobe installers, you can often 
just use the space to check boxes like that and use your tab to navigate around 
if VO doesn’t work normally.  It’s good to have a toolbox full of options when 
your normal VO commands don’t seem to result in what you want.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 14:23, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

Although I have not had this exact problem generally on Adobe Flash installs I 
encounter 2 problems.
1. You tend to have to use shift vo space to activate the buttons. so it might 
be worth doing this as well to see if it prevents you being dumped out of the 
install app..
2. The install tends to throw up helper htm windows with messages like close 
Safari to complete the install and other things. These can remove focus from 
the install app so you need  to use Window Chooser to interact with these 
windows and respond to them.

David Griffith
rto On 27/03/2015 19:22, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me 
 a lot further with installing flash player.
 I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the 
 I agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back 
 into finder. It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't.
 Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with 
 it, VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area that 
 is usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, 
 Chrome, System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will 
 need to be quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I 
 often get a message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and 
 the only way I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it 
 is not really an app.
 
 A few questions:
 
 • Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
 • If so, what version does it say you have installed?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
 I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really 
 buggy or something?
 I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
 app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer 
 username and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window called 
 adobe flash player installer. Next to this is an installer helper html area 
 which is empty. That's all. There's a close button and nothing else, and 
 nothing seems to be installing.
 I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
 download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?
 
 Lisette
 a
 On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
 varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,
 
 • Go to System Preferences.
 • Press on the Flash button.
 • Select the Advanced pane.
 • Interact with the Scroll area.
 • Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
 • If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this 
 point.  Choose Update.
 
 This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
 installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, 
 then I press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and 
 you can open the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If 
 Safari or another Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause 
 asking you to quit them all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, 
 sometimes not.  If the “Flash Bridge Cross Platform” service is running, 
 you’ll need to quit that process from the Activity Monitor app which is 
 located in the Utilities folder.
 
 Other than that, the only thing you may need to do is use VO-shift-space to 
 activate a button while in the Flash Installer as the regular VO-space 
 doesn’t work for these buttons.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:11, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I think it's the Adobi Flash Player, but I'll find out more accurately for 
 you. Sorry I can't be more  help yet, but quite frankly I don't really know 
 what he's on about as I don't use it.
 
 Eleanor
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Which Adobe product is he using?
 
 Best.
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 09:37, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 

Re: Reading PDF files on the mac

2015-03-27 Thread David Chittenden
Only when the quality is good enough. Often, the quality of the scan is not 
very good.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Mar 2015, at 22:46, Steve Nutt st...@comproom.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You said no screen reader can read them. This is incorrect. Jaws can, with 
 its Convenient OCR function.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 Sent from Type Mail
 
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 08:32, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Many PDF documents are scanned images. Scanned images cannot be read by any 
 screen reader as they are actually pictures of the page of text.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I have just downloaded and installed version  11.0.10 from Adobe and 
 nothing appears to have changed.
 
 None of the text area of the two PDF documents I loaded were available to 
 Voiceover.
 I went through the Accessibility Setup wizard and specified that I was 
 using a screen reader but this again provided  no useful  result. 
 The only text area of thethat I was able to interact and read was the 
 filename title of the PDF document.  
 
 It is possible I have missed something but I went through all the 
 preferences.
 David Griffith
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 06:23, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 I've not tried this yet, but the Adobe accessibility people were saying on 
 Twitter yesterday that the new Adobe Reader for Mac has VO support.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 3:05 pm, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 another way is to copy all text in the document with command A, then open 
 the preview menu, enter the services submenu and press enter on “new 
 textedit window with selection”.
 It does exactly what it sounds like.
 First make sure you’ve interacted with the pdf text area and can read the 
 text with the VO commands just to make sure you’re in the right place and 
 can  select all.
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I don’t know if there’s a better way. But I highlight the text cmd+a 
 then copy cmd+c then open text edit and paste cmd+v into a new document. 
 Not nice but it works for me.
 
 Gena
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 23:37, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can do it with preview if I interact with the image group. I’d like 
 to know how to save a pdf as text.
 My Youtube Channel: “www.youtube.com/LorieMcCloud  
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 What are some options for reading PDF files on the mac?
 Chris
 
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Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread Jamie Pauls
Hello, all,

I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count for a 
document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this script, that 
would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking Dashboard scripts 
unless I’mm missing something.

Thanks.

Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
jamiepa...@gmail.com



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Re: Busy, Busy, Busy -- It's DrivingMe Nuts

2015-03-27 Thread Terje Strømberg
Perhaps a clean install will help? And when done you do a backup twice during 
the reinstallation of software after the osx installed. Then maybe it will work 
and you have two or more backups to restore from. Many instructions of how to 
do a clean install in the archive i believe.

Take care

27. mars 2015 kl. 21:07 skrev Kevin Cussick 
the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com:

Hello,   I did a disk permissions last night took over night!  I still get busy 
now and again with mail but it is now working.
 On 27 Mar 2015, at 13:55, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Have you run a permissions repair from Disk Utility? I imagine erasing all 
 your accounts and starting over could help too, but that's an extreme step. I 
 can tell you that it's not the Mail app somehow needing more power; I use a 
 Macbook Air with the low end processor and 4GB ram from 2012, and it runs 
 perfectly. Your Mini has more than enough horsepower, so it has to be a 
 problem with some files. At least, that's all I can think of.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:18 AM, William Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I have a 2.6 GHz Mac mini with latest Yosemite installed.
 
 I'm having a problem with the Mail application in that it's constantly 
 reporting Busy; this even the only thing I might do is to try to interact 
 with the Messages table.
 
 What the H E Double-Hockey-Sticks?
 
 - Bill  Leader Dog Holland
 - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on 
 society.
 - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 
 
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Re: How do you update Adobi on the Mac using VO?

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

You’re welcome.  Normally, if the “Done” button appears, then everything went 
as it should and the installer completed its task.  Glad it all works for you 
now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 27, 2015, at 15:42, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh looks like it installed after all. I'm now running the latest update 
according to system prefs. It was not clear anything had actually happened 
during the installation. 
Pressing space bar on the buttons certainly helps. And you can't always rely on 
vo f 5 to tell you the truth either. It said the button in question wasn't 
under the mouse, but when I pressed space bar on the button it did activate the 
button I was trying to activate. So something weird is going on there.
Thanks for your help guys. I'll know what to do for next time.

Cheers
Lisette

 On 28/03/2015, at 9:49 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 In addition to David’s comments, in lots of Adobe installers, you can often 
 just use the space to check boxes like that and use your tab to navigate 
 around if VO doesn’t work normally.  It’s good to have a toolbox full of 
 options when your normal VO commands don’t seem to result in what you want.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 14:23, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Although I have not had this exact problem generally on Adobe Flash installs 
 I encounter 2 problems.
 1. You tend to have to use shift vo space to activate the buttons. so it 
 might be worth doing this as well to see if it prevents you being dumped out 
 of the install app..
 2. The install tends to throw up helper htm windows with messages like 
 close Safari to complete the install and other things. These can remove focus 
 from the install app so you need  to use Window Chooser to interact with 
 these windows and respond to them.
 
 David Griffith
 rto On 27/03/2015 19:22, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 I re-downloaded the file just now which had a different file name and got me 
 a lot further with installing flash player.
 I got as far as agreeing to the license terms. When I press vo space on the 
 I agree check box to check it, I'm thrown out of the installer and back 
 into finder. It's as if I pressed the quit button which I didn't.
 Do you get this problem, and how do you get around it?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 27/03/2015, at 10:12 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 That Installer Helper HTML area should not be empty.  IF you Interact with 
 it, VO usually can read info about what’s going on.  It’s the only area 
 that is usually of any use to you.  If there are any apps open like Safari, 
 Chrome, System Preferences etc, that use Flash in some manner, they will 
 need to be quit, otherwise, Flash won’t finish installing.  As mentioned, I 
 often get a message about FlashBridge Cross Platform needing to be quit and 
 the only way I’ve found to do that is through the Activity Monitor since it 
 is not really an app.
 
 A few questions:
 
 • Do you have an item called Flash Player in your System Preferences?
 • If so, what version does it say you have installed?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 26, 2015, at 14:40, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim and anybody else who can help,
 I am having immense difficulty installing flash. Is the installer really 
 buggy or something?
 I'm at the point where I've downloaded the disk image. I open the installer 
 app. I'm warned about this and I continue. I'm asked for my computer 
 username and password which I type in and press enter. I get a window 
 called adobe flash player installer. Next to this is an installer helper 
 html area which is empty. That's all. There's a close button and nothing 
 else, and nothing seems to be installing.
 I've tried going through system prefs again to re download it. I hit the 
 download link and nothing downloads. Any ideas?
 
 Lisette
 a
 On 27/03/2015, at 7:33 am, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 There was a discussion about this just a few days ago on this list.  A few 
 varied but similar responses.  The basic gist, if it’s Flash,
 
 • Go to System Preferences.
 • Press on the Flash button.
 • Select the Advanced pane.
 • Interact with the Scroll area.
 • Navigate to the Check Now button and press it.
 • If there’s an update available, you will be told in a dialog at this 
 point.  Choose Update.
 
 This will take you into your browser and directly to the latest Flash 
 installer.  I usually just press tab until the Install Now link is read, 
 then I press return.  It will then download to your Downloads folder and 
 you can open the .dmg file and run the installer package from there.  If 
 Safari or another Flash needing app is running, the installer will pause 
 asking you to quit them all.  Sometimes there’s a “Force Close All”, 
 sometimes not.  If the “Flash Bridge Cross 

Re: making folders open in new windows

2015-03-27 Thread Stacey Robinson
Thanks I’ll give that a try.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 
 My personal solution for this is to do it in two steps:
 1. Press CMD + n to open a real new window.
 2. press the hotkey for the desired folder like CMD + Shift + o to open 
 documents folder, CMD + Shift + h to open the home folder, and so forth.
 
 Now I'm able to switch between these windows by pressing CMD +  or close one 
 window after another by pressing CMD + w. Maybe a work around for you as well.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 
 
 Am 27.03.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com 
 mailto:bhad...@gmail.com:
 
 Note That checkbox only changes the open in new tab menu item to open in new 
 window.  It does not cause folders to automatically open in a new window.  I 
 believe it is possible to assign a keyboard shortcut to it in system 
 preferences though.
 
 In Lion, the box would cause folders to open in new windows, but it works 
 differently in Yosemite.  I don’t know what version of OS X started this, 
 but probably the one that introduced tabs.
 
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:26 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You want the check box unchecked it it checked it opens tags
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 08:22
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: making folders open in new windows
  
 I think you'd want it unchecked. I've never paid much attention to how 
 folders open--I use cmd-n if I need a new window--but it seems like you'd 
 want windows and not tabs.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Alex
 Do I check or uncheck this?
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
  
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 In Finder, press command-comma to open Preferences. In the General tab, 
 there should be a checkbox about opening new folders in tabs instead of 
 windows.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  
 Hello all,
 When I had my Macbook running Lion, each folder would open in a separate 
 window.
 I would like to do this with my macbook air, but can’t figure out how.
 When I press command w I end up back on the desktop which isn’t where I 
 want to be. In Lion, you’d just perform this command and be back in the 
 first window.
 Can someone tell me how to set things so this will be the case again?
 Thanks very much.
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning have 
pretty much been fixed.

I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first generation, 
and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any longer.  OK, 
in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but 
even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see 
this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 
thousand links on it.

Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna have 
to trust me with this.

Chris.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Solitro 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


  The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as I haven't 
been able to download it yet.


  I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth it ot 
upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run slower. How is 
it now? Should I upgrade?

  Sent from my iPad

  On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:


What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested in 
this please.



thanks



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8



I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
update, or can I expect slower operation?


On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:

  Hi all,



  I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to 
say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on 
my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking 
for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into 
the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in 
case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was 
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up 
like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life 
experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do 
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But 
their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can 
listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me 
my future.



  Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you 
who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic 
things:

  1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple 
makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.

  2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively 
create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of 
that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a 
good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with 
design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, 
coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can 
trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the 
last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with 
all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly 
clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.

  3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it 
should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of 

Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread Jamie Pauls
Hi, Alex,

This script works like a charm. Thanks a million.

Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
jamiepa...@gmail.com



 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 (* Keywords:
 $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
 $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
 document
 $name: the name of the currently open document
 *)
 
 set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
 set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)
 
 set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }
 
 tell application TextEdit
   set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
   set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
   set my documentName to name of document 1
 end tell
 
 set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
 characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
 set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
 tell utilities to speak(template)
 
 on import(filename)
   set p to (path to me) as text
   set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
   set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
   set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
 items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
   set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
   return scpt
 end import
 

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Jon Solitro
The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as I haven't 
been able to download it yet.

I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth it ot 
upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run slower. How is 
it now? Should I upgrade?

Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested in this 
 please.
  
 thanks
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
  
 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
 found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
 update, or can I expect slower operation?
 
 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 Hi all,
  
 I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say 
 that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my 
 iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
 slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started 
 looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too 
 much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and 
 do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some 
 mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 
 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing 
 their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone 
 that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has 
 some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my 
 style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and 
 wait for a genius to tell me my future.
  
 Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who 
 want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things:
 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes 
 money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
 developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create 
 experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that 
 experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good 
 experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design 
 skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming 
 from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust 
 in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last 
 apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all 
 that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, 
 efficient and snappy interfaces.
 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
 wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
 creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
 companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
 broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, 
 it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
 hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
 damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
 good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
 sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
 terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
 tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind 
 murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than 
 should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely 
 straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill 
 time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the 
 case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a 
 disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite 
 literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, 
 from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, 
 should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, 
 and let’s not forget screen readers.
  
 Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 Yuma Antoine Decaux
 Light has no value without darkness
 Mob: 

Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.

In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up Script 
Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other Talking 
Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about fifteen 
minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be warned 
that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app will launch 
itself. Anyway, here is the script:

(* Keywords:
$wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
$characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
document
$name: the name of the currently open document
*)

set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)

set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }

tell application TextEdit
set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
set my documentName to name of document 1
end tell

set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
tell utilities to speak(template)

on import(filename)
set p to (path to me) as text
set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
return scpt
end import

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, all,
 
 I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count for 
 a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this script, 
 that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking Dashboard 
 scripts unless I’mm missing something.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Take care and have a great day.
 Jamie Pauls
 jamiepa...@gmail.com mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: About VPN

2015-03-27 Thread Matthew Dierckens
For me, beeing in Canada, I can access U.S. related services such as US net 
flicks, ITunes Radio  and Pandora.
God bless.
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Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread May
And what widget is that?

May and LD Luna Moon!
www.canadianlynx.ca

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I have a wigit that I can use to give me a word count in Text Edit if I 
 wanted it to. 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.
 
 In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up 
 Script Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other 
 Talking Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about 
 fifteen minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be 
 warned that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app 
 will launch itself. Anyway, here is the script:
 
 (* Keywords:
 $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
 $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
 document
 $name: the name of the currently open document
 *)
 
 set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
 set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)
 
 set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }
 
 tell application TextEdit
  set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
  set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
  set my documentName to name of document 1
 end tell
 
 set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
 characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
 set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
 tell utilities to speak(template)
 
 on import(filename)
  set p to (path to me) as text
  set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
  set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
  set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
 items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
  set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
  return scpt
 end import
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, all,
 
 I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count 
 for a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this 
 script, that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking 
 Dashboard scripts unless I’mm missing something.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Take care and have a great day.
 Jamie Pauls
 jamiepa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
hi; i know we shouldn't have to do it this way. but here is the website i use 
to get a word count. i copy the text from text edit into the enter field and 
click go and it gives me the word count right away. hope this helps, max  
http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/countwords.shtml
On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:11 PM, May wrote:

 And what widget is that?
 
 May and LD Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I have a wigit that I can use to give me a word count in Text Edit if I 
 wanted it to. 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.
 
 In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up 
 Script Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other 
 Talking Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about 
 fifteen minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be 
 warned that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app 
 will launch itself. Anyway, here is the script:
 
 (* Keywords:
 $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
 $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
 document
 $name: the name of the currently open document
 *)
 
 set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
 set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)
 
 set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }
 
 tell application TextEdit
 set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
 set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
 set my documentName to name of document 1
 end tell
 
 set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
 characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
 set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
 tell utilities to speak(template)
 
 on import(filename)
 set p to (path to me) as text
 set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
 set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
 set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
 items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
 set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
 return scpt
 end import
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, all,
 
 I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count 
 for a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this 
 script, that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking 
 Dashboard scripts unless I’mm missing something.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Take care and have a great day.
 Jamie Pauls
 jamiepa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Pamela Francis
I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm believer
in if it isn't broken don't fix it. Apple broke it.
On Mar 27, 2015 12:53 PM, Jon Solitro jon.soli...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
 found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I
 update, or can I expect slower operation?

 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:

  Hi all,

 I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to
 say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than
 on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like
 slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
 looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too
 much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and
 do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some
 mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band
 pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars
 for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around.
 Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
 aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an
 apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future.

 Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you
 who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic
 things:
 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple
 makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or
 app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way
 around.
 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively
 create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction
 of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving
 us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy
 with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software
 division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one
 or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers
 presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet,
 so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style
 crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I
 wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of
 creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most
 companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be
 broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s
 broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar
 piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to
 throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly
 not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends,
 mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is
 starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but
 a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion
 of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably
 more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each
 year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never
 had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul?
 Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is
 portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs
 when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when
 this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the
 graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of
 actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers.

 Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall








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 Skype: Shainobi1
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About VPN

2015-03-27 Thread The Believer

   What are the benefits of setting up VPN on either a Mac or iPhone?

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Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I have a wigit that I can use to give me a word count in Text Edit if I wanted 
it to. 

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.
 
 In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up Script 
 Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other Talking 
 Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about fifteen 
 minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be warned 
 that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app will 
 launch itself. Anyway, here is the script:
 
 (* Keywords:
 $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
 $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
 document
 $name: the name of the currently open document
 *)
 
 set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
 set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)
 
 set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }
 
 tell application TextEdit
   set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
   set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
   set my documentName to name of document 1
 end tell
 
 set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
 characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
 set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
 tell utilities to speak(template)
 
 on import(filename)
   set p to (path to me) as text
   set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
   set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
   set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
 items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
   set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
   return scpt
 end import
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, all,
 
 I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count 
 for a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this 
 script, that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking 
 Dashboard scripts unless I’mm missing something.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Take care and have a great day.
 Jamie Pauls
 jamiepa...@gmail.com mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-27 Thread Alex Hall
I'm glad it works. :) Anyone else can use it too, so long as you have Talking 
Dashboard:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17005121/talking%20dashboard.zip

Again, this script will be in the next update to that, but it will work right 
now if you paste the code into Script Editor and save the file in the same 
folder as the other Talking Dashboard scripts.
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Alex,
 
 This script works like a charm. Thanks a million.
 
 Take care and have a great day.
 Jamie Pauls
 jamiepa...@gmail.com mailto:jamiepa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 (* Keywords:
 $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
 $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
 document
 $name: the name of the currently open document
 *)
 
 set template to $wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name.
 set utilities to import(utilities.scpt)
 
 set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, }
 
 tell application TextEdit
  set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
  set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
  set my documentName to name of document 1
 end tell
 
 set keywords to {{$wordCount, wordCount}, {$characterCount, 
 characterCount}, {$name, documentName}}
 set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
 tell utilities to speak(template)
 
 on import(filename)
  set p to (path to me) as text
  set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
  set AppleScript's text item delimiters to :
  set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
 items of p)) - 1) of p)  filename) as text)
  set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
  return scpt
 end import
 
 
 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Whatever people.  I'm telling you that Apple did break it, yes, but that is the 
key word... Did!

Things work very well now, and if you don't believe me, tell me what you had an 
issue with, and I'll make an audio demo showing it's been fixed.  Maybe then, 
you'll believe me.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Pamela Francis 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:48 PM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


  I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm believer in 
if it isn't broken don't fix it. Apple broke it.

  On Mar 27, 2015 12:53 PM, Jon Solitro jon.soli...@gmail.com wrote:

I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I 
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I 
update, or can I expect slower operation?

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:
  Hi all,


  I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to 
say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on 
my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking 
for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into 
the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in 
case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was 
going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up 
like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life 
experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do 
things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But 
their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can 
listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me 
my future.


  Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you 
who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic 
things:
  1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple 
makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
  2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively 
create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of 
that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a 
good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with 
design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, 
coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can 
trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the 
last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with 
all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly 
clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
  3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it 
should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind 
murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than 
should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely 
straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time 
or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I 
don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world 
presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally 
lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all 
the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us 
much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not 
forget screen readers.


  Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 
















  Yuma Antoine Decaux

  Light has no value without darkness
 

Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-27 Thread The Believer

   It ain't broke now. iOS 8.2 is on both my iPhone and iPad.

From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/27/2015 7:48 PM, Pamela Francis wrote:

I too have an Ipad 2. No way would I put IOS 8 on it. I am a firm believer
in if it isn't broken don't fix it. Apple broke it.
On Mar 27, 2015 12:53 PM, Jon Solitro jon.soli...@gmail.com wrote:


I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. I
found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. Should I
update, or can I expect slower operation?

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote:


  Hi all,

I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to
say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than
on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like
slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too
much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and
do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some
mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band
pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars
for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around.
Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an
apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future.

Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you
who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic
things:
1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple
makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or
app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way
around.
2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively
create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction
of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving
us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy
with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software
division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one
or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers
presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet,
so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style
crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I
wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of
creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most
companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be
broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s
broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar
piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to
throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly
not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends,
mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is
starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but
a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion
of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably
more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each
year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never
had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul?
Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is
portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs
when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when
this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the
graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of
actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers.

Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall








  Yuma Antoine Decaux
Light has no value without darkness
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Skype: Shainobi1
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