Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But what I could do is to analyse the problem myself. It would take only an hour or two, including writing a small report about the problem which I can send everyone interested (hopefully this includes the vendor). So if you would be able to convince the vendor to send the AP for a loan? If that's not possible, are you coming to Maemo Summit? If I manage to come and you can take the AP with you, I could take a look at it onsite. Unfortunately, it won't be possible because Freebox (the name of set-top-box = ADSL modem + wifi mimo router + many other nice things) can only work when they are synchronized over ADSL with Free ISP DSLAM. So, even if we could send you a Freebox, you couldn't do anything with it :( This is getting difficult. So if your ADSL line is dead for a day your WLAN AP will not work, did I understand this right? If yes, that sucks big time. Only if there is also a power loss and AP need to reboot (it needs ADSL line working to download its firmware over DSL at each boot). And frankly, it is not really an issue (no downtime for several years for myself ;). Anyway, I've pinged Freebox engineer in hope they might have a clue on the issue. That's your only chance, unfortunately. I would assume now that WLAN is getting more popular in mobile phones they would get more pressure to fix this. Let's hope for the best. Well, when I discussed with them, they told me they already fixed PSM for usage with Wifi phones they are selling. So, PSM is working, but not (yet) with Nokia internet tablet ;) -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I've got n800 coming
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Jeff Treague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a n800 coming from best buy For $279 TigerDirect has a n810 for $299 Could you please configure your yahoo webmail to not send mail in html/rich text to this mailing list ? Thanks you. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What power-management issues have you seen affecting battery life ? I think it is usually caused by interoperability deficiency between 770/n8x0 and some routers wifi chipset regarding PSM (Power Saving Management) part of wifi specification. Exactly. The problems stems from the fact PSM was (and still is?) mostly unused by the windows laptops. So it seems that some AP manufactures decided to omit the testing of the PSM implementation altogether. Why is PSM so fragile then? Since I can't sleep (jet lag, argh), I'll write a bit about this. snip wow, thanks for the detail explanations. I kind of better understand PSM issues. I'm seeing this kind of issue between my work AP (Linksys) which have working PSM and my home AP (Freebox, a set-top-box provided by my ISP), where PSM is not working properly with a maximum uptime of 8h when wifi is on. It sounds like PSM is not working at all with your home AP. Yeah, I figured that ;) However, Freebox engineer told me he could see PSM going up and down on the AP side. A first bug was found in ralink proprietary driver which was losing AP association after some time in PSM mode, which was fixed by Ralink. Hmm, I would first suspect that the AP is not really buffering all frames. I have seen APs which periodically send Null frames to check that the client is really alive. Maybe the AP vendor forgot to check if the client is sleeping when they send the Null frame? Wouldn't be the first. I've forwarded your email to Freebox engineer ;) If Eero or another Nokia hackers have some information which might help Freebox engineers to track the issue, I'll be happy to serve as a proxy. Dealing with vendors is very slow, it takes hours and hours of work, consisting mostly writing emails. I simply don't have time for that, and I rather write code than email. But what I could do is to analyse the problem myself. It would take only an hour or two, including writing a small report about the problem which I can send everyone interested (hopefully this includes the vendor). So if you would be able to convince the vendor to send the AP for a loan? If that's not possible, are you coming to Maemo Summit? If I manage to come and you can take the AP with you, I could take a look at it onsite. Unfortunately, it won't be possible because Freebox (the name of set-top-box = ADSL modem + wifi mimo router + many other nice things) can only work when they are synchronized over ADSL with Free ISP DSLAM. So, even if we could send you a Freebox, you couldn't do anything with it :( Anyway, I've pinged Freebox engineer in hope they might have a clue on the issue. BTW, is there a bug about this? If not, please file one. I'll forward it to our IOP testers so that they could try get access to the AP as well. Done : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I think I fryed my n770
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 21.07.2008, 06:56 -0700 schrieb Jeff Treague: I udated my sons 770 and then mine. but mine all red had the os update. now I just have a wite sceen. I think it is just the sceen. Is it junk now? This is very vague. Please provide step-by-step information on what happened. What exactly did you do, which exact commands did you run to update? Which computer operating system (Windows or Linux, which version)? Did you try to flash the 770 again? Another good way to get a better answer is to not send mail in HTML on mailing list ;) -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Andrew Daviel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possibility is a WLAN AP with broken power management I recently noticed that my tablet battery runs down faster at work than at home, with the WiFi enabled but otherwise sitting idle (12%/hour vs 1%/hour). I thought the issue might be that there's more broadcast/multicast traffic at work, which would get through the filters in the ethernet chip and into the kernel, but then I found a reference to your post on the list. At home I have a Linksys WRT54; at work I think Orinoco-AP2000 where I may be able to change some settings (writing this at home I can't login to check). What power-management issues have you seen affecting battery life ? I think it is usually caused by interoperability deficiency between 770/n8x0 and some routers wifi chipset regarding PSM (Power Saving Management) part of wifi specification. I'm seeing this kind of issue between my work AP (Linksys) which have working PSM and my home AP (Freebox, a set-top-box provided by my ISP), where PSM is not working properly with a maximum uptime of 8h when wifi is on. I've been in contact with one of my ISP engineers who is taking care of writing wifi driver in their set-top-box. From the first investigation, it seems Conexant chip (used on Nokia tablets) was known to be problematic (Freebox is using Ralink chipset). A first bug was found in ralink proprietary driver which was losing AP association after some time in PSM mode, which was fixed by Ralink. Unfortunately, this fix was not sufficient to fix the power consumption issue and we are kind of stuck now :( If Eero or another Nokia hackers have some information which might help Freebox engineers to track the issue, I'll be happy to serve as a proxy. Would it affect other laptops as well or just the tablets ? I guess it will depend on laptop wifi chipset. And compared to Nokia tablets, entire laptop power consumption is way more important than a tablet, so if wifi is too important, it is probably hidden by other component consumption. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 not booting, flashing fails
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just bought an N810 but after playing around with it for one day it suddenly behaved strange. When I tried to connect to my new wireless access point I could not type in the encryption key and then suddenly the device rebooted. But ... when the Nokia screen is shown the progress bar is progressing and when it is almost at the end the device reboots and keeps rebooting in this way forever. I downloaded flasher_3.0 and the flash image from maemo.org but flashing fails. After connecting the N810 via USB and switching it on (with the key on the left side pressed) I get a message telling me the current software version is 50.2 and then flasher exits (I started flasher as root, using ./flasher3.0 imagefile -f -R as given on the flash update page at maemo.org). wrong command : ./flasher-3.0 -F imagefile -f -R -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jesper Cheetah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) And it includes some ipv6 support! [Gain root] insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko ip -6 addr show It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says server not found. problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? No. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather recently broken?
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 07.05.2008, 15:13 -0600 schrieb Mark: On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Kevin Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would bet it's some sort of weather.com format change. OMweather says wrong station code or zip code!! for my configured cities. I'm experiencing the same issue. The 1-ClickWeather plugin for Firefox uses weather.com as well, but it's still working fine for me. That isn't enough to rule out a weather.com change, of course, but it might help track it down. to track this issue: can you/someone please file a bug report at https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi and attach as much information as possible? Well, it is not supposed to go to bugs.maemo.org since OMWeather is a separate application, not shipped by Nokia. A bug is already opened on Garage, in OMWeather module, for this issue. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 gps troubles
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Johan Helsingius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a rather depressing confirmation of the GPS troubles this weekend. Went on a quick trip to London, and turned on the map application as soon as I got on the Heathrow Express heading into town. During the trip, the map application showed the GPS finding 3-5 satellites on the average, but it never managed to determine the position. Nor during my walk to the hotel, nor during a walk across St James's park, and not even overnight next to a corner window on 5th floor - it just ran out of charge trying. In the end I got back to Amsterdam without the GPS having acquired a lock during the whole trip. Not very useful. A real bummer, because the 2 main applications I got my 810 for was mapping and in-car ODBII, and CarMan doesn't run on the 810... :( Sounds like I should sell my 810 and stick to the 770... :( Well, GPS on n810 can be extremely frustrating (I had my shares of trouble with it) when you don't know anything about GPS (like most of us), because of its low sensitivity. I suggest you install maemo-mapper, mostly because it give you a better view of what is happening while GPS fix is in progress (compared to Maps). Moreover, if you never had a fix with your n810, the first fix for your geographical position can be extremely long (more than 12 minutes since it needs that time to download almanac for your position, this data is valid several weeks). And if you are moving or in a bad reception location, it can be very very long. Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5 minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the last 2 hours, you might be able to get a hot fix in less than 30s. If you get a fix, try to stay on the location until you get 8 to 10 satellites, I've noticed it allows faster hotfixes. Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for initial GPS fix). -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 gps troubles
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Andrew Daviel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote: Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5 minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial bus, maybe native NMEA0183. There has been a lot of discussions on Internet Tablet forum. It is probably stored in /var/lib/gps/nvd_data but nobody has been able to decode the file format. Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for initial GPS fix). I had assumed it was the little plastic square just above the camera, so that the best orientation was screen side upwards with a good view of the sky. Once I had a fix, then I could put it in my pocket riding a bike. No, the plastic square is the light sensor ;) But I concur with your findings about keeping a fix once you get it. I'm not sure Maemo Mapper really has more information available. As far as I can figure, gpsd translates NMEA from the device to a generic format and makes it available to multiple clients on localhost:2947. The NMEA includes $GPGSV GPS Satellites in View. You can see this if you connect to the socket with netcat and give an r (raw) command, or q or y. In Nokia Map the gps view shows signal levels and satellite position graphically, I presume derived from this information. Yes, but accessing those detailed informations from Maps is preventing use of the application, unlike Maemo-Mapper (you can even bind show GPS details to a hardware key). And even Maemo-Mapper establishing GPS fix progress bar is a good indicator for fix progression. - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ? Between 5 to 10 minutes usually (in Paris). After a fix, I've done more tests in disabling GPS and enabling it back and was sometime able to get fix from 30s to 2 minutes (inside a bus moving..) (I guess I should quantify my own experience..) Install gps-clockd, it record TTF, as well as syncing clock to GPS clock -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 gps troubles
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:45:00AM -0700, Andrew Daviel wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote: Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5 minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial bus, maybe native NMEA0183. ... - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ? 3-4 minutes. My GlobalSat BT-308 (SiRF StarII) gets the fix in 1-2 minutes in the same conditions, which is (a) better, (b) still disappointing. Both are pretty much useless when walking around on foot in the city. Hmm, quite strange, I don't have any issue when walking by foot, either in Paris or Bruxelles. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A/V Sync in Media Player
Le lundi 03 décembre 2007 à 09:01 +, Andrew Flegg a écrit : On Dec 3, 2007 2:39 AM, Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else has A/V sync problems with their N800 when watching feature length films? [snip] 2) Run through Bleb's tablet-encode with the default settings What version of tablet-encode are you using? There were reports that the -noidx option, which is passed by default to mencoder in v = 2.00 (for reasons which escape my memory), caused exactly this issue. v2.10 removes this flag from the mencoder command line and so should resolve this issue. If not, please let me know. If you could close bug #1664 I opened on garage about that, that would be great. It seems I can't close it myself :( (this looks like a bug in garage :) -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 jabber problem?
Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 11:02 +0200, Naba Kumar a écrit : ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have a problem with a specific jabber server on my N800 running OS2008. I can't seem to connect to jabber.ccc.de. I always get Network error. As another reply your email says, there is a bug already and we are investigating it. This is great news. If you need a test account on my jabber server, feel free to ask. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 jabber problem?
Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 16:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi, I seem to have a problem with a specific jabber server on my N800 running OS2008. I can't seem to connect to jabber.ccc.de. I always get Network error. I'm 100% sure my account details and settings are OK. The server is up and I can connect using GAIM on my PC. Anybody else having problems like this? Btw. can anybody tell me where I can find the telepathy configuration file(s)? Known bug since the rtcomm beta (see bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714 ) and nobody seems to care unfortunately :( -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Regarding package selection for maemo-users for IT2008
Hi everybody, as most n800 users I guess, I've just upgraded my n800 to IT2008 and I tried to test the new (disabled by default) Maemo extras repository. Some remarks about it : -if you try to install a package from Maemo download which is from Maemo extra, using .install file, a new Maemo Extras catalog will be added to the catalog list, duplicating the existing catalog (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2388 ) -It seems there is no dependency check on packages available in Maemo Extras, ensuring only packages needed to install those packages are either in the default IT2008 images or in Maemo Extras repository. For instance, both ukmp and kagu can't be installed because libbz2 and ligdbm3 are missing from the repository. I guess most people have added chinook free and non-free repositories in their catalog list but I think this should be fixed somehow (I don't know how packages submission is handled for extras repository, so I waited before filling a bug about that). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:36 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit : ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM properly. If you have problems WLAN standby times I'm not yet convinced that your AP work correctly. After more tests, it appears both my AP don't support full PSM :( I'm curious, what tests failed? For Freebox, both tests, but ping one was really visible. And I noticed I got much better network response for browsing and so on since I set n800 back to default PSM timeout. I'll try to lower default value progressively to see if I can increase power saving while keeping network working. I couldn't extensively test arping on Fonera because it is using its own subnet (and I only have one Wifi element at home). And I need to reconfigure some routing to get ping working as expected. I'll report later about my progress. I've taken the liberty to write a summary of the various informations you gave here about PSM and how to change it on Maemo wiki. Feel free to fix errors I might have introduced : https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wifipsm/ Excellent, thank you! I have been planning to do that, but never managed to find time for that. I will try to add more information to the page at some stage. Great. I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. Thanks, I'll add your email in the bug report (sorry, it is in french but it might interest other people on this mailing list) : http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:02 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit : Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:36 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit : ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. Thanks, I'll add your email in the bug report (sorry, it is in french but it might interest other people on this mailing list) : http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 I just got a reply from them : they say they debugged PSM intensively when they started proposing SIP mobile phones, so it should be working. And of course, they are asking if they can get a n800 to debug :) (they are geeks, like all of us :p ) I'll see if I can try to work as the test guy between you and them ;) -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 . Email Client / RSS Client
Le mercredi 24 octobre 2007 à 12:51 +0300, Quim Gil a écrit : RSS client - The home applet is totally rewritten. - The application has been improved. Most if not all the bugs that were bothering you are now fixed. In the following days the developers will go through the bugs at Bugzilla updating the to the according status in OS2008. This is music to my hears (and probably others as well). I hope support for Podcast (ie automatically download mp3 or ogg files from RSS feeds) have been added to RSS client. This would allow n810/n800 to be the perfect podcast client, out of the box (currently, Nokia VideoClient can be used as a Podcast receiver but it isn't perfect). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 15:14 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm This is clearly a different issue. That bug is about ogg/theora support for N770 Mediaplayer, not about Mediaplayer in newer releases supporting user installed codecs. Bug about this should be something like this: STEPS TO REPRODUCE: 1. Install code package codec-foo from repository bar 2. Browse to URL foo.bar.org/songs.html and tap to the song.foo file EXPECTED RESULT: - Mediaplayer starts to play nice-song.foo And to do that, we need expected to work but doesn't work ogg support package. And unfortunately, neither mogg or ogg-support packages are in this state for n800 (one lack schema and the other is not registering the correct mimetype) :( -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:32 +0300, Kalle Valo a écrit : ext Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know what the killer feature is? Automatic wifi connection. I absolutely hate it when I have to tap the silly little globe, then tap the connect menu item, then wait a few boring seconds for my wifi network to appear, then press ok. Only then I can ssh into my n800 and use apt-get. I could keep my tablet online all the time, of course, but then the battery wouldn't last till the end of the day. It should stay online for days, not hours. Something is wrong with your setup. I would guess that the AP is somehow broken regards to WLAN Power Save Mode. Can you try with some other AP to see if it helps? Also make sure that N800 isn't transmitting anything extra, for example transmitting a packet every second would kill the battery quite quickly. Just curious : is the n800 really supposed to last days when connected via Wifi (with full WLAN Power Save mode enabled), without any disconnect timeout and anything doing network access on the wifi link ? When I check battery applet (which is really great btw), I'm never sure if the in use time is applicable when being idle AND wifi connected. I know I disable network auto-connect and set disconnect timeout to 5min because I had bad experience with first IT2007 version (before full WLAN Power Save mode gconf key were given here). Maybe I should try it again.. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 12:11 +0200, Krischan Keitsch a écrit : Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Frederic Crozat: Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK documentation, but we aren't sure it is working as expected, because of mediaplayer blackbox. If there are still some problems after codec has been correctly registered to gstreamer and mime-type database: - gstreamer not recognizing the file type correctly I don't think it is the case, using : gst-launcher filesrc location=test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! dsppcmsink does work, so gstreamer is handling the file correctly. We are spinning in circles. We have been there too many times already! So, let's break the circle. Using incantation won't change things. I prefer action. - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? It is one part of the problem but even if we had the source, it wouldn't ensure the problem is fixed. And I'm not in a mood to blame Nokia for not releasing Media Player source code. It is part of their policy to not release code from UI based application, I respect that, even if I regret it. So, now, the important thing is either to find if the gconf configuration for Media Player is wrong and can be fixed or if the problem is in Media Player itself (help from some Nokia dudes welcome here, hint hint :) - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm I think you can drop this kind of reply. And I'm serious. This bring nowhere. As a sidenote, from my distribution persective (I'm GNOME maintainer at Mandriva), Maemo community fragmentation about packages and duplicated work is killing me :( There seems to be a lot of energy around there but often doing the thing or not using infrastructure available thanks to Garage (for instance, some people are only using garage as a way to ship files and don't store their source code in SVN). I have been wondering that as well many times. How come that this community is 'fragmented'? What is causing it? I don't think it is a problem of the community or infrastructure but more of a lack of common practices, which are already in place in various other distributions or project, from new people trying to work on Maemo-based software. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK documentation, but we aren't sure it is working as expected, because of mediaplayer blackbox. If there are still some problems after codec has been correctly registered to gstreamer and mime-type database: - gstreamer not recognizing the file type correctly I don't think it is the case, using : gst-launcher filesrc location=test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! dsppcmsink does work, so gstreamer is handling the file correctly. - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately.. - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. Before filling bugs against maemo, I think it would be better to only have one ogg support package available for 770 / n800 (and soon n810) to make sure efforts are not duplicated. As a sidenote, from my distribution persective (I'm GNOME maintainer at Mandriva), Maemo community fragmentation about packages and duplicated work is killing me :( There seems to be a lot of energy around there but often doing the thing or not using infrastructure available thanks to Garage (for instance, some people are only using garage as a way to ship files and don't store their source code in SVN). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What's the status on OS 2007 v3?
Le vendredi 23 mars 2007 à 09:56 -0400, Jonathan Greene a écrit : nice!! Where's the formal announcement?? Check tableteer website with your n800 :) -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WLAN Power Save Mode timeout
Le mardi 20 février 2007 à 11:55 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit : If you have tested different timeouts, please send me feedback if it works or not. Include the make and model of the AP used for testing, and a small description of the problem. This would be really helpful for us to see what kind of problems there still are with WLAN PSM. I've tested with two different AP : -Freebox v5 (ISP DSL modem + wifi AP), which is based on ralink 2661 (802.11g + MIMO, pre-n) -Linksys WRV54G both with timeout 200ms and everything seems to work nicely. I didn't notice any slowdown. The only problem is to test extended battery usage ;) Since it is only triggered by timeout on network activity, autonomy can only be gained (and therefore mesured) this way for interactive usage (web browsing, IM) and not by stressing network (for instance, by playing a radio stream). I guess it will be hard to find a good testcase to show how much power is gained this way. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] invalid signature on tableeer catalog for bora
Hi, while playing with application installer on my n800, I found a GPG error when checking its logs : GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess some scripts need to be fixed ;) -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] N800 incompatible with old Nokia charger
Hi all, just a small information for people with old nokia charger (the one with the big plug in it). With my 770, I was using a CA-44 adapter to recharge it with my 6021 charger (ACP-7E). Unfortunately, with my brand new N800, I get a charging failed (or something like that, message is in french) and I must use the charger which was shipped with my N800 (or my 770). It would probably be a good idea to add a disclaimer for CA-44 adapter on http://direct.nokia.com/, since some people might have old charger like mine. One of my coworker also have a ACP-12E with old charging plug. Maybe it will work with it. Also, is there any date for availability of N800 case ( http://www.europe.nokia.com/accessorieslink?s=N800Case ) ? -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:28 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi again, Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? Maybe the BlueTooth? Anything else I should check / look for? Thanks! As Amit wrote, when you move to 3rd party applications it's very likely that one of those is buggy and does not behave properly (i.e. drains the battery while doing nothing). Unfortuantely that sort of bug is harder to spot. The official supported time, iirc, is 7 days in the operating conditions you described. However I usually measured 9. With stock image. You should first asses that. Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). [snip] What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect the runtime? Yes, canola runs a webserver daemon. This short autonomy problem has been present before I installed canola :) Anyway, I'll reflash my device and do more tests. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Wengo - VoIP?
Le jeudi 27 juillet 2006 à 09:35 +0100, Peter Robinson a écrit : You might want to try the generic tapioca sip/jabber client for the 770, you should be able to configure that for any sip voip provider. http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Tapioca Unfortunately, the SIP provider for Tapioca doesn't seem to be available ATM for Maemo. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Maemo v2.0 power consumption when turned off
Le mercredi 21 juin 2006 à 09:15 +0200, Xavier Calbet a écrit : Since I installed maemo v2.0 I am noticing that my batteries run dead after a week of having it switched off!!! This did not happen with the previous version. Is maemo v2.0 drawing battery power when completely turned off? Maybe because of the new alarm clock feature which needs constant power to work? Or is it just the humid weather of the summer that is draining the batteries? Did you play with the alarm feature of the IT2006 beta ? If you did, it might be the cause of the battery drain because after enabling one time the alarm, even if it is off, the suspend feature is still used by 770 when trying to power it off. The only way to disable it is to crash 770 (or maybe remove battery, I didn't try that) and get it to fully reboot. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
