[MlMt] update - what to copy from the old Mac to the new one in order to preserve EVERYTHING in MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hey,

I'll switch Macs in a couple of days and I want to have MailMate just 
like it is now  on the new Mac.


Last time I did something similar I installed MailMate on the new Mac 
and before starting it I copied from the old Mac the following files & 
folders:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

Is this still the way to do this or did something changed?

Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 12 Nov 2019, at 14:19, Andreas Borutta wrote:


Max Rydahl Andersen:



Good thing is that if you know of an editor that can do what you are
looking for then mailmate most likely can use it to edit/create the 
mail

for you :)



Hhhmmm. I can't imagine, that it feels comfortable to use an external
editor for composing, because while using it you cannot see the fields
"To" or "From" or "Subject".
They are in a different pane.


That's exactly how I use it: As soon as I tab into the message-area, 
BBEdit opens the edit message-window just beside MailMates one. I can 
see all the email-relevant fields (From, Subject, Date, To) in the 
MailMate-window while I'm using the whole editing power of BBEdit in the 
message window… the best of both worlds for me! :-)


Take a look:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xxmuv4ktozskt0/bildschirmfoto%202019-11-12%20um%2015.05.21.png?dl=0
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Re: [MlMt] Tab stops and previews of multiple selected messages

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 5 Apr 2019, at 22:00, Greg Earle wrote:

MailMate seems to default to tab stops being set to 4.  I'm old and 
like 8.


Any way to change it?  I did a "defaults read" and looked through the 
output but didn't see anything.  Also looked in ~/Library/Application\ 
Support/MailMate/*.plist.  Nada.


I'm using BBEdit for editing messages in MailMate and therefore use the 
tab width from BBEdit (that's 2 for me).



Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Mail-Templates?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Try Typinator. 



> Am 20.02.2019 um 09:44 schrieb Matthias Schmidt via mailmate 
> :
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Feb 2019, at 23:24, Lipman, Barton L wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies if this was already mentioned, but I think TextExpander is
>> a more flexible and easier way to do this.
> 
> thanks, I’ve been using that one and the keyboard short cuts sometimes just 
> don’t work.
> All in all I consider Textexpander buggy and I was looking for an alternative 
> ;-)
> 
> cheers
> Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Bart
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Feb 2019, at 17:17, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>> 
 On 11 Feb 2019, at 3:16, Robert Brenstein wrote:
 
 Just save template mails as drafts in Drafts, with appropriate
 subject to indicate that this is a template, and Edit as new mail
 each time?
>>> 
>>> This is what I do, except that I also copy the message to a
>>> "Stationery" mailbox (the term Eudora used), to make it easy to find.
>>> When I want to send such a message, I select it in the "Stationery"
>>> mailbox and then select Edit as New Message under the Message menu.
>>> 
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Re: [MlMt] Timezone error

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 29 Oct 2018, at 22:16, Bill Cole wrote:

Have you restarted MailMate since the time change? It may be only 
checking the zone at launch time, not every time it has to format a 
time.


I too have this problem and a restart (first MailMate and then the iMac) 
didn't solve it.



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Re: [MlMt] OmniFocus command doesn't work

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

It works for me in High Sierra.

On 5 Oct 2018, at 11:19, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

Here is something I just discovered - have anyone a explanation for 
why it doesn't work?


First a test:

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I use the Quick Entry to create a new entry
+ Works

Another test:

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I switch to MailMate so that it's the front app
+ I use the Quick Entry to create a new entry (not from an email)
+ Works

Third test

+ I have OmniFocus open
+ I switch to MailMate so that it's the front app
+ I use the menu command: command->OmniFocus->Add with summary
+ A Quick Entry window opens and I click "save" to create a new entry
+ It does not work.

Any idea why this doesn't work? Anything to do with the new 
permissions in Mohave?


= jem
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Re: [MlMt] SPAM on iPhone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 4 Oct 2018, at 17:20, Bill Cole wrote:


On 4 Oct 2018, at 10:22, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:00, Philip Paeps wrote:

[...]

The only way to make this work reliably is to filter serverside.


I didn't think seriously about this because I didn't have the problem 
and SpamSieve was more than enough… but now I should probably 
reconsider.

How does this work?
Is this something that my ISP / domain-provider has to switch on or 
is it something I should install server-side?


It varies widely. The general rule is that server-side filtering has 
to be made available by whoever administers your MTA and/or your IMAP 
server. How you interact with it is an "implementation-specific" 
detail...


Typically, server-side filtering of mail into various IMAP mailboxes 
is done at delivery time so if it is available, it is a function of 
the delivery agent that operates between the SMTP server that accepts 
the mail and the mailstore from which the IMAP server serves it to 
you. If you have a shell login on your mail server, you may have the 
option of using "procmail" which is one of the oldest and still most 
widely used filtering tools, despite it having been abandoned in 
disgust and shame by its own creator many years ago. A more modern 
possibility is an implementation of the Sieve filtering language, 
often remotely manageable via a web interface or a ManageSieve (RFC 
5804) implementation. Some providers (e.g. GMail, Office365) offer 
their own server-side filtering tools accessed through their web 
interfaces.


Ok, I'll check mit my domain-provider.
Thanks, Bill!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] SPAM on iPhone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 4 Oct 2018, at 13:43, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


On 4 Oct 2018, at 5:09, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Hey!


I let my iMac and MailMate always running in order to get the SPAM 
filtered (with SpamSieve).


However lately I begun receiving SPAM on my iPhone.
As soon as I returned home I checked the iMac and MailMate, but 
everything seemed ok. The SPAM-emails were also filtered as SPAM 
immediately (but were there for a second!).


I couldn’t find anything so I would be very happy if you could give 
me an advice.


I've had occasional problems with some machines not synchronizing 
their IMAP state quickly,
and I never have figured out why. What has helped is to make sure that 
the synchronization
schedule for the important mailboxes—for me, Inbox and the two I use 
for remote training—

have their synchronization schedule set to "Connected".


Same here.


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] SPAM on iPhone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:00, Philip Paeps wrote:


On 2018-10-04 11:09:26 (+0200), Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
I let my iMac and MailMate always running in order to get the SPAM 
filtered (with SpamSieve).


However lately I begun receiving SPAM on my iPhone.
As soon as I returned home I checked the iMac and MailMate, but 
everything seemed ok. The SPAM-emails were also filtered as SPAM 
immediately (but were there for a second!).


I couldn’t find anything so I would be very happy if you could give 
me an advice.


You'll never be able to guarantee that MailMate will see the email 
(and be able to filter it) before your iPhone sees it.  There will 
always be a race window.


I understand.
Funny / Strange: That didn't happened before! Same ISP, same hardware, 
still MailMate.




The only way to make this work reliably is to filter serverside.


I didn't think seriously about this because I didn't have the problem 
and SpamSieve was more than enough… but now I should probably 
reconsider.

How does this work?
Is this something that my ISP / domain-provider has to switch on or is 
it something I should install server-side?



Regards,
Vlad


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[MlMt] SPAM on iPhone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hey!


I let my iMac and MailMate always running in order to get the SPAM 
filtered (with SpamSieve).


However lately I begun receiving SPAM on my iPhone.
As soon as I returned home I checked the iMac and MailMate, but 
everything seemed ok. The SPAM-emails were also filtered as SPAM 
immediately (but were there for a second!).


I couldn’t find anything so I would be very happy if you could give me 
an advice.


Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


P.S. I'm using MailMate Version 1.12 (5523) on my iMac late 2012 3.4 Ghz 
Intel Core i7 running still macOS High Sierra 10.13.6.

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Re: [MlMt] Count offset?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 30 Sep 2018, at 5:03, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> This is 2.0 build 6121 on Mojave.

OT: The Version 2 is still in beta, right?


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote:


On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


I've copied this files:

- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist
- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/
- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/
- ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

as Benny sugested me a while ago.

Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to 
have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that 
make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate 
on a new machine / os / etc.?


How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them 
again on startup if they are available?


That's exactly what I did, yes.
A button / menu-item in MailMate itself would still have 3 advantages:

1. Nobody would had to remember which plist-files etc. exactly are 
relevant.

2. Nobody would have to "*dig*" deep in ~Library to find the files.
3. Benny could alter anytime the list of the relevant files whit out 
having to send a notice to all.


I use a couple of apps (TextExpander, Hazel, KeyboardMaestro) that have 
a similar approach: with a single click I can export text-snippets / 
rules / macros into a folder I can choose. BusyCal / BusyContacts also 
let you backup the events / contacts to a location you can choose.



Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these 
days.


Totally agree! Even when MailMate is not supposed to run simultaneously 
on two (or more) machines with a single set of plist-files & co., as far 
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Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

I've copied this files:

- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist
- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/
- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/
- ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

as Benny sugested me a while ago.

Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to 
have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make 
sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a 
new machine / os / etc.?



Regards,
Vlad




On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote:


Hi,

I recently installed a fresh copy of HighSierra on a Mac (probably 
like a lot of other people) and wanted to easily copy my Mailmate 
config from my old disk to the new one. I saw some discussions here 
about syncing Mailmate config but remain unclear on what files I would 
need to copy to replicate the configuration on a new machine? (In 
particular, without access to the old machine’s Mailmate, I failed 
to replicate the exact combination of settings that I had for Mailmate 
to work in a way that I like with Gmail.)


Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume):


```
Identities.plist
Mailboxes.plist
Sources.plist
Submission.plist
Tags.plist
```

Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not 
copied?


Rob.

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Re: [MlMt] reply - at the bottom now?!

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

It worked, thank you, Benny… although, seeing that the default is the 
other way around I start to think that you've must have had already some 
thoughts about this… :-)


What do you - all of you - use for replies, at the top or at the bottom?




On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 5 Nov 2017, at 5:24, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Any idea why and how to switch to "*reply at the top*"?


See the Signatures preferences pane. After changing the default 
behavior then click “Reset Usage History” to make sure MailMate 
does not remember anything wrong based on emails you have already 
sent.


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Re: [MlMt] Editing previous sent addresses

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 2 May 2017, at 22:20, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 2 May 2017, at 17:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 2 May 2017, at 9:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 29 Apr 2017, at 17:52, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

To recap: Wouldn't be nice to open a new email and have a pop-up 
with the previous used email-adresses *regardless if the 
email-messages are still in MailMate or not*?


I actually think the opposite is nice, but I also consider IMAP to 
be the primary storage of email. I would never remove sent messages.


Did I understand you corectly: You say that you would archive 
everything but the sent messages? Only to get all the previous 
sender?!


I wouldn't (and I don't) archive any messages. The IMAP server *is* 
the archive. It's similar to having a cloud-based set of folders with 
emails. I'm not doing this to have “previous senders”. I'm doing 
this because this is how IMAP is intended to be used and it works well 
for me. It is, of course, fine to use it in different ways.


I understand.

I don't use the IMAP server as an archive for this 3 reasons:

1. I don't have so much space on my email-account.
2. Archiving email-messages outside the email-client I can rely on 
Finder- / Spotlight- / HoudahSpot-search to find anything (including 
email-messages). I'm not saying that MailMate is bad on searching - I'm 
using it every day for the email-messages I still haven't archived yet.
3. Even after switching to MailMate I still like to believe that every 
email-client works faster and need less RAM when having less emails to 
deal with. I'm sure you've done and continuously do a lot of work to 
make MailMate fast and less RAM-hungry, but still. :-)


(…)


Note that I don't reject the idea of *also* having an explicit list of 
“previous recipients”. You just shouldn't expect it soon.


That's everything I was hopping for: an "*also*" (was never ever an 
"*instead*"!) and the hope! ;-)


Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] Editing previous sent addresses

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 2 May 2017, at 9:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 29 Apr 2017, at 17:52, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 29 Apr 2017, at 13:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

If it's a small set then I would recommend just using Contacts to 
keep track of these email addresses.




How exactly do you mean this, Benny?

To recap: Wouldn't be nice to open a new email and have a pop-up with 
the previous used email-adresses *regardless if the email-messages 
are still in MailMate or not*?


I actually think the opposite is nice, but I also consider IMAP to be 
the primary storage of email. I would never remove sent messages.


Did I understand you corectly: You say that you would archive everything 
but the sent messages? Only to get all the previous sender?!




How could Contacts be of any help for this?


Email addresses in Contacts are also shown in the email address popup. 
These are shown even if no sent messages exist to the same addresses.


That's correct!


If MailMate automatically added all recipients of your sent emails to 
Contacts then it would behave like “previous recipients”, but I 
doubt anyone would want that.


Me neither!
But even Mail.app ;-) shows there's a more elegant way to do this by 
keeping an internal, editable list of all the sent emails (= a subset of 
the Contacts ;-)


I try to summarize:

1. Right now the previous sender come only from the sent messages --> no 
sent messages means no previous sender! & there's no way to edit the 
previous sender.


2. A separate list of the previous sender (= sender of the previous sent 
messages, even if they are not in the sent-messages-mailbox anymore) 
would imply a change but will allow both caveats from point 1: the 
previous sender stays even if the sent messages are archive AND one 
could edit this list!


I'm trying to wet you appetite for point 2 obviously ;-)… but I really 
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Re: [MlMt] Editing previous sent addresses

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 29 Apr 2017, at 13:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Apr 2017, at 18:41, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 28 Apr 2017, at 13:08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Apr 2017, at 12:10, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

An editable list of previous recipients - independent of Sent 
Messages - would be therefore very useful.


That's a bit like introducing an address book within MailMate 
itself.


Actually not, it's only a small subset of the adress book: only the 
contacts I've emailed onced in the past.


If it's a small set then I would recommend just using Contacts to keep 
track of these email addresses.




How exactly do you mean this, Benny?

To recap: Wouldn't be nice to open a new email and have a pop-up with 
the previous used email-adresses *regardless if the email-messages are 
still in MailMate or not*?


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Re: [MlMt] Editing previous sent addresses

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On 28 Apr 2017, at 13:08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Apr 2017, at 12:10, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 25 Apr 2017, at 11:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Apple Mail has an explicit list of previous recipients. MailMate 
just looks at your existing Sent Messages.


That brings an additional problem for me: due to the fact that I 
delete periodically the Sent Messages (after archiving them - with 
all the others email-messages - in a Finder-folder, that's outside 
MailMate) I cannot recall previous recipients at all!


An editable list of previous recipients - independent of Sent 
Messages - would be therefore very useful.


That's a bit like introducing an address book within MailMate itself.


Actually not, it's only a small subset of the adress book: only the 
contacts I've emailed onced in the past.

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Re: [MlMt] How to save all the attachments at once

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Thanks a lot!


On 18 Apr 2017, at 22:03, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:


Message Menu >> Save Attachments (or command-option-shift-A)

v


On 18 Apr 2017, at 15:59, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Hi!


Sorry for the silly question - I'm sure there is an obvious answer 
right in front of me! - but: How can I save all the photos I've got 
in an email-message **at once**?


Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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[MlMt] How to save all the attachments at once

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hi!


Sorry for the silly question - I'm sure there is an obvious answer right 
in front of me! - but: How can I save all the photos I've got in an 
email-message **at once**?


Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] the labels from SAVE and PREVIEW are gone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

The labels are back after a couple of restarts:

![](cid:771686CD-19CD-4EC9-9738-6602BCC85A3A@Ghitulescu.de 
"Bildschirmfoto 2017-02-28 um 13.19.01.png")



On 27 Feb 2017, at 17:25, Alain Israel wrote:


For me the buttons are greyed, but still active.

Alain

On 27 Feb 2017, at 16:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 18:36, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 16:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 13:35, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I've just seen that the labels from the SAVE- and PREVIEW-buttons 
of the attachments are not there anymore.




I'm not seeing it myself. Does it happen for all emails with 
attachments or only some of them?


All emails with non-inline attachments.


Another user also confirmed seeing this issue (but the message was 
too big for this list).


I'm not sure how to debug it though. Could you try an older release 
to see if the problem was recently introduced: 
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/


Which OS version are you using?

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Re: [MlMt] the labels from SAVE and PREVIEW are gone

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On 27 Feb 2017, at 16:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 18:36, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 16:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 13:35, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I've just seen that the labels from the SAVE- and PREVIEW-buttons 
of the attachments are not there anymore.




I'm not seeing it myself. Does it happen for all emails with 
attachments or only some of them?


All emails with non-inline attachments.


Another user also confirmed seeing this issue (but the message was too 
big for this list).


I'm not sure how to debug it though. Could you try an older release to 
see if the problem was recently introduced: 
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/


Sure, I'll do.



Which OS version are you using?


Still 10.11.6 El Capitan.


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] the labels from SAVE and PREVIEW are gone

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On 25 Feb 2017, at 16:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Feb 2017, at 13:35, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I've just seen that the labels from the SAVE- and PREVIEW-buttons of 
the attachments are not there anymore.


![](cid:9DA2F1B6-1EB6-48D9-A810-A81CA10E5DC2@Ghitulescu.de 
"Bildschirmfoto 2017-02-25 um 13.32.22.png")


Anybody else having these too?


I'm not seeing it myself. Does it happen for all emails with 
attachments or only some of them?


All emails with non-inline attachments.


Regards,
Vlad


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[MlMt] the labels from SAVE and PREVIEW are gone

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I've just seen that the labels from the SAVE- and PREVIEW-buttons of the 
attachments are not there anymore.


![](cid:9DA2F1B6-1EB6-48D9-A810-A81CA10E5DC2@Ghitulescu.de 
"Bildschirmfoto 2017-02-25 um 13.32.22.png")


Anybody else having these too?


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] what to backup for a smooth begin from scratch?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Thanks!

Two comments:


On 23 Jan 2017, at 23:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 23 Jan 2017, at 22:38, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

What are the "*best practices*" in order to mirror everything else (= 
all the settings, rules, shortcuts etc.) from the old MailMate to the 
one on the new OS?


You can copy these files and folders:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/


Strange: I use BBEdit as the editor but have no ~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Bundles/-folder.




Most users just have the set of `plist` files.


But whitout ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ one will 
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[MlMt] what to backup for a smooth begin from scratch?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I intend to finally upgrade from El Capitan to Sierra in the next few 
days.


I will install everything from scratch.

Just before this I'll archive **all** my emails (in a Finder-folder) and 
delete them from the server, so MailMate will be containing no emails at 
all.


What are the "*best practices*" in order to mirror everything else (= 
all the settings, rules, shortcuts etc.) from the old MailMate to the 
one on the new OS?


Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] Something changed with the new keybinding and I cannot figure out what

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On 9 Dec 2016, at 13:50, David Shepherdson wrote:


On 9 Dec 2016, at 05.39, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

The only think that doesn't work anymore is applying the same 
keyboard shortcut for


- closing the BBEdit-window where I edit the MailMate-message and
- send it from MailMate

because ^K it's already a keybinding in BBEdit (deletes from cursor 
till the end of the current line).


Only if you have ‘Emulate Emacs key bindings’ turned on… :-)


!
You're right!
I forgot, why did I do this (as well as the Emacs key bindings ;-)… 
but I had a reason for sure! :-D



But I just tried turning that on, and setting the shortcut for 
‘Close Document’ to control-K, and it worked for me — as in, 
typing control-K closed the document.


I did it too and it works again with only this shortcut!
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Re: [MlMt] Something changed with the new keybinding and I cannot figure out what

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On 9 Dec 2016, at 13:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 9 Dec 2016, at 10:58, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 7 Dec 2016, at 15:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


Maybe you can use that for now (⌃⇧K).


There is something I still doesn't understand completely: the command 
itself is the same ("send:"), only the chosen keybinding is 
different.

Why this difference in the behavior?!


The NSTextField (or to be more exact, its field editor) converts keys 
to selectors itself, but some key presses are not converted (I don't 
know or I have forgotten exactly how this works). MailMate only 
watches for unused selectors (`noop:`) and then looks through its own 
key bindings. The main text field in the composer works differently. 
In this case, MailMate monitors all key events. This is what MailMate 
should also do for the NSTextField to make this work.


So the main text field behave differently than the others (From: & 
Subject:) regarding the key events: it "*sees*" all the key events while 
the other fields doesn't - is this correct?


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Re: [MlMt] Something changed with the new keybinding and I cannot figure out what

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On 7 Dec 2016, at 15:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

  1. Do you have any ideas what to do in order to be able to send an 
email-message with a keybinding regardless of the position of the 
cursor (as previous)?





I'm not quite sure which ones would work. Looking at the code 
indicates it has to be a binding which already has some kind of 
binding/purpose such that the text field converts it into a selector 
(even if that selector is `noop:`). This is why the old one worked. A 
bit of experimenting revealed that this should work:



"^K" = "send:";



Maybe you can use that for now (⌃⇧K).


There is something I still doesn't understand completely: the command 
itself is the same ("send:"), only the chosen keybinding is different.

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Re: [MlMt] Something changed with the new keybinding and I cannot figure out what

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On 7 Dec 2016, at 15:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 6 Dec 2016, at 10:25, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

With one of the latest update MailMate added CMD-K as a keybinding 
for Edit - Add Link.


I know this because I previously used this exact keybinding for 
"send:" in my ~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/VladsCustom.plist-file :-) and 
the new behavior drove me crazy! ;-)


Sorry about that, but it was the “standard key” for this action.


Yes, I know.
No problem, I only need to change my keybinding for it.



So I changed my keybinding for send to this:

"^~@k"= "send:";

and everything was fine again.

*Almost* everything. :-/

I discovered that the new keybinding works only when the cursor it's 
in the message window and not (**anymore!**) when the cursor is in 
the To:- or the Subject:-fields.


As I said, I changed ONLY the keybinding and NOT the command 
itself… but the behavior changed.


3 related questions:

1. Did anybody else experienced this as well?


I can reproduce it.


2. It's this a bug or a new feature? ;-)


It's naturally not intentional.

3. Do you have any ideas what to do in order to be able to send an 
email-message with a keybinding regardless of the position of the 
cursor (as previous)?


I'm not quite sure which ones would work. Looking at the code 
indicates it has to be a binding which already has some kind of 
binding/purpose such that the text field converts it into a selector 
(even if that selector is `noop:`). This is why the old one worked. A 
bit of experimenting revealed that this should work:


"^K"  = "send:";

Maybe you can use that for now (⌃⇧K).


I'll try it right after this reply…

Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Message Drag Drop Behavior in Sierra

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


On 21 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:31, Richard Rettke wrote:

I just did a drag & drop of a message from Mailmate to an empty 
folder on the desktop and got the same results you report.


I'll note to look into this when I've updated to Sierra. It's an 
important feature.


Is this solved now?

This is the only think that stops me upgrading to Sierra due to the fact 
that dragging the mails from MailMate to a Finder-folder is my 
archiving-method of choice.



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Re: [MlMt] Message Drag Drop Behavior in Sierra

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 21 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:31, Richard Rettke wrote:

I just did a drag & drop of a message from Mailmate to an empty 
folder on the desktop and got the same results you report.


I'll note to look into this when I've updated to Sierra. It's an 
important feature.


Critical for mee too - is the way I archive emails!
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[MlMt] missing colon

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Hello!


I wanted to copy a whole thread as a text, so I set the View as 
"*Organize by Thread*", then activated all the emails in the thread:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/evlauskua374y17/Bildschirmfoto%202016-09-28%20um%2003.35.38.png?dl=0

clicked somewhere in the content of the thread, activated all the 
content (CMD-A):


https://www.dropbox.com/s/d27rwljygned5yl/Bildschirmfoto%202016-09-28%20um%2003.36.06.png?dl=0

and then pressed CMD-C to copy all this.

My problem: The colons were not copied (see also the whole clipboard 
below)!


Any idea why?

Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] The preview window got prudent

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 1 Sep 2016, at 15:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 1 Sep 2016, at 12:44, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

Since upgrading to Version 1.9.5 (5255) I've observed that the 
Markdown preview-window doesn't appear automatically under the 
message when coming back from BBEdit (which I use - via the "*Command 
> BBEdit*"-Menu, respectively a keyshortcut) anymore.


Only after editing something in the MailMate-window the preview 
window appears again.


Does anybody else experiences this too?


Yes. I'm not sure it ever worked, but it should work in the latest 
update.


It worked before whitout a problem for me.

And now - Version 1.9.5 (5260) - works again! :-)

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] The preview window got prudent

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Since upgrading to Version 1.9.5 (5255) I've observed that the Markdown 
preview-window doesn't appear automatically under the message when 
coming back from BBEdit (which I use - via the "*Command > 
BBEdit*"-Menu, respectively a keyshortcut) anymore.


Only after editing something in the MailMate-window the preview window 
appears again.


Does anybody else experiences this too?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] Feedback when saving attachments?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Is there any feedback from MailMate after saving attachments?

I know that can be annoying but I found myself more often than not 
checking in ~/Downloads… :-/


Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] How do you store old emails?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

**14.5 hours** after restart:

- 975 emails in "*All Messages*"
- 14 emails in "*Junk*"
- 14 emails in "*Deleted Messages*"
- MailMate takes **210 MB**


On 24 Aug 2016, at 20:41, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 19:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 17:59, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I've deleted the around 300 emails from "*Deleted Messages*" and 
restarted MailMate.


Activity Monitor shows directly after restart 89 MB for the now 948 
emails.

I'll keep an eye on it…


This certainly smell likes a memory leak. Relaunching certainly would 
reduce memory usage, but not this dramatically for such a small 
message store. Do you receive and delete a large number of emails?


Actually not.
I have now (150 minutes after the restart):

- 956 emails (in "*All Messages*", where I like to live in MailMate 
;-)

- 6 emails in "*Junk*" and
- 13 emails in "*Deleted Messages*"

MailMate needs now around 122 MB.

I'm not *very* concerned about it (having 32 GB RAM) but nevertheless 
is something important enough to analyze.


Should I send you more stats (size of the attachments, etc.)?


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] How do you store old emails?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 24 Aug 2016, at 19:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 17:59, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I've deleted the around 300 emails from "*Deleted Messages*" and 
restarted MailMate.


Activity Monitor shows directly after restart 89 MB for the now 948 
emails.

I'll keep an eye on it…


This certainly smell likes a memory leak. Relaunching certainly would 
reduce memory usage, but not this dramatically for such a small 
message store. Do you receive and delete a large number of emails?


Actually not.
I have now (150 minutes after the restart):

- 956 emails (in "*All Messages*", where I like to live in MailMate ;-)
- 6 emails in "*Junk*" and
- 13 emails in "*Deleted Messages*"

MailMate needs now around 122 MB.

I'm not *very* concerned about it (having 32 GB RAM) but nevertheless is 
something important enough to analyze.


Should I send you more stats (size of the attachments, etc.)?


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] How do you store old emails?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

(OT: Just the thought of 2*10^6 emails always available (as reference 
material etc.) freeze my GTD-brain! ;-))


On 24 Aug 2016, at 16:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 15:07, Patrik Fältström wrote:


5,58GByte for 2.099.084 messages here


I'm impressed it works at all. I'll keep you in mind for testing any 
future memory optimizations :)


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Re: [MlMt] How do you store old emails?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

I've deleted the around 300 emails from "*Deleted Messages*" and 
restarted MailMate.


Activity Monitor shows directly after restart 89 MB for the now 948 
emails.

I'll keep an eye on it…




On 24 Aug 2016, at 16:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 15:00, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


On 24 Aug 2016, at 14:57, Annamarie wrote:


327 MB according to Activity Monitor


506 MB for 931 emails here


That doesn't sound right. Is it a typo or is this really the memory 
usage for less than 1000 messages?


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Re: [MlMt] How do you store old emails?

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On 24 Aug 2016, at 14:57, Annamarie wrote:

> 327 MB according to Activity Monitor

506 MB for 931 emails here
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Re: [MlMt] intelligent address-hints

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On 24 Apr 2016, at 15:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> This should work in the next update.

That was quick!
Thanks again, Benny!
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Re: [MlMt] intelligent address-hints

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On 24 Apr 2016, at 11:50, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 23 Apr 2016, at 8:26, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

When composing an email on iPhone, as soon as I type "*name*", 
Apple's Mail.app shows me first "*name@domain_1.com*" and under it, 
in a list, all the other email-addresses that begins with "*name*" 
("*name@domain_2.com*" comes second).


After accepting this, when typing again "*name*", Mail.app is so 
intelligent and brings *the other email-address* on the firs place in 
the list, that is "*name@domain_2.com*", so I can blindly accept and 
move on to the message subject and text.


I guess that makes sense. I just never had the need to do that :-) 
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[MlMt] intelligent address-hints

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Hello!


I have a couple of contacts that have more than one email-address, and 
their different email-addresses are something like this:


- name@domain_1.com
- name@domain_2.com

Once in a while I want to send an email to **all** addresses, in the 
example above to name@domain_1.com AND name@domain_2.com.


When composing an email on iPhone, as soon as I type "*name*", Apple's 
Mail.app shows me first "*name@domain_1.com*" and under it, in a list, 
all the other email-addresses that begins with "*name*" 
("*name@domain_2.com*" comes second).


After accepting this, when typing again "*name*", Mail.app is so 
intelligent and brings *the other email-address* on the firs place in 
the list, that is "*name@domain_2.com*", so I can blindly accept and 
move on to the message subject and text.


MailMate however behave differently here: the list of matching 
email-addresses is the same every time, so at the top of the list would 
always stay "*name@domain_1.com*".


I've discovered this only because one of my contacts received the 
email-message I've sent only on one domain: I was blindly accepting 
"*name@domain_1.com*" again and again :-(.


Could it be possible to copy the behavior of Apple's Mail.app on the 
iPhone in MailMate?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Focus - again! - this time in MailMate

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On 13 Apr 2016, at 17:45, Randall Meadows wrote:

I have seen stuff like this happen when activating a "floating" 
window, like the 1Password toolbar; the window still looks like it's 
in front after dismissing the toolbar, but doesn't really have focus. 
Could you be running into something like this?


No, I couldn't find anything like this :-(
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[MlMt] Focus - again! - this time in MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I have again a focus-related issue, this time definitely in MailMate.

First please take a look at [this screenshot][1]

It shows that the active app is MailMate and that there is a focus on 
one of the email-messages from the mailbox ALL_MESSAGES (I'm using the 
*Widescreen*-Layout).


However pressing the up/down-arrows will only leed to a *beep*! :-(

Only after clicking on another email-message the arrow keys started 
working normally again in MailMate.


What could this be?

Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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[MlMt] lack of focus

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I'm seeing something like a *lack of focus* :-): I switch from another 
application to MailMate, the screen changes to the space where MailMate 
resides **BUT** the focus remains on the previous application :-(


I mostly discover this after trying some keyboard-shortcuts specific to 
MailMate and wondering why they don't work… until I see the name of 
the curent active application near the black apple upper left.


Does somebody else experience something similar?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] How to code the special keys in the MailMate's plist-file for keyboard-shortcuts

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I would like to bind the new *refreshMailbox:* - command with my 
HyperKey (= CTRL - CMD - ALT - SHIFT).


I know already that:

- CMD   = @
- CTRL  = ^

but what to write for ALT & SHIFT?

Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] Can't change default mail app in OS X 10.11.4

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Hi, TJ!


Yes, [you're not alone][1] :-)

The only think, that helped, was **repeatedly** applying [this method][2].


Regards,
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> Has anyone else noticed that when you try to change the default mail app in
> OS X 10.11.4, it seems to revert back to Mail.app?
>
> I've seen it with MailMate and Mailplane.
>
> Curious to know if it's just me or if others have seen it too.
>
> TjL
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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

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It works now!

Thanks!

On 8 Mar 2016, at 11:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Mar 2016, at 10:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Googling I found 
[this](https://support.busymac.com/help/56235-busycontacts-url-handler#other). 
BusyContacts supports a very similar URL scheme which should make it 
relatively simple to do “Show in Contacts”. “Add to Contacts” 
is a bit more tricky.


I'll note to look into it.


Try this in the next update of MailMate:

	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultAddressBook -string 
com.busymac.busycontacts


(It's a somewhat hardcoded solution for now, but it should make 
MailMate use BusyContacts instead of Contacts for the Show/Add menu 
items.)


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Re: [MlMt] Flagged-Mailbox shows unflagged message

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On 8 Mar 2016, at 11:20, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Mar 2016, at 5:52, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


A *real* refresh would be appreciated though.


I've added `refreshMailbox:` to the set of available key bindings (not 
released yet).


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[MlMt] What do the red dots mean?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


What do the red dots left to the messages mean - see the screenshot 
linked here:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1560338/Bildschirmfoto%202016-03-18%20um%2009.01.54.png

Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] Show Mailboxes' shortcut works only sometimes

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:29, Sherif Soliman wrote:

My intuition is that it has something to do with where the focus is 
when I invoke the keyboard shortcut.


That could be the case here, yes. I discovered a couple of similar 
"*out-of-focus*" (small) issues that I tried to cover with 
*"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline"* that I've learned here, but this 
doesn't work always.



I'm not 100% certain, but I think clicking in the list of messages to 
bring the focus there and then invoking the keyboard shortcut "makes" 
the shortcut work.


This doesn't work for me.
Right now I have the focus on your message, but the shortcut doesn't 
work. It's only choosing it again from the menu bar that correct this… 
until next time :-/



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Re: [MlMt] What do the red dots mean?

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On 18 Mar 2016, at 15:44, Bill Cole wrote:

So: a red dot in the "Read" column means that something other than 
MailMate marked the message for deletion but has not yet told the 
server to purge it.


*THAT* was eye-opening, Bill, thanks a lot!

I managed to find the culprit - I was it! :-( - and understand now a 
series of previously mysteriously vanished mail-messages.


Thanks again!


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Re: [MlMt] What do the red dots mean?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 18 Mar 2016, at 15:13, temjeito wrote:


Interesting. Mine are blue….


See the message before: mine too, **BUT** the red ones are only visible 
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[MlMt] Show Mailboxes' shortcut works only sometimes

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I'm using MailMate mostly in in the *Widescreen*-View, showing my *All 
Messages*-mailbox but **whitout showing the mailboxes itself**.


Once in a while I want to see the mailboxes though, so I press 
CTRL-ALT-CMD-D (the shortcut for *View > Layout > Show Mailboxes*).


That works… sometimes!
The behavior is inconsistent, once in a while I only get a beep and 
nothing happens after it. Choosing the menu-item *breaks the spell* and 
after this the shortcut works again… until it strikes again, 
apparently with no reason.


Does somebody has seen this as well?

Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 8 Mar 2016, at 11:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Mar 2016, at 10:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Googling I found 
[this](https://support.busymac.com/help/56235-busycontacts-url-handler#other). 
BusyContacts supports a very similar URL scheme which should make it 
relatively simple to do “Show in Contacts”. “Add to Contacts” 
is a bit more tricky.


I'll note to look into it.


Try this in the next update of MailMate:

	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultAddressBook -string 
com.busymac.busycontacts


I'll do.
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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

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On 8 Mar 2016, at 10:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 8 Mar 2016, at 5:56, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

BUT: Wouldn't be possible to make MailMate open BusyContacts instead 
of OS X's Contacts app, when searching for a contact from / within 
MailMate?


That's tricky since there is no such thing as a default address book 
application. Well, there is an `addressbook:` URL scheme, but that 
seems to be for Contacts only (in theory, BusyContacts could 
“steal” it like MailMate does for `message:`, but I'm sure they 
would have done that if it worked well).


Googling I found 
[this](https://support.busymac.com/help/56235-busycontacts-url-handler#other). 
BusyContacts supports a very similar URL scheme which should make it 
relatively simple to do “Show in Contacts”. “Add to Contacts” 
is a bit more tricky.


LaunchBar use it too: Looking for a contact in LaunchBar now opens 
BusyContacts instead of OS X's Contacts.




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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

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On 7 Mar 2016, at 21:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

I'm pretty sure BusyContacts can synchronize with a server and that 
Contacts can synchronize with the same server.


BusyContacts *synchronizes* with a server - I'm using it with my 
contacts in iCloud.


BUT: Wouldn't be possible to make MailMate open BusyContacts instead of 
OS X's Contacts app, when searching for a contact from / within 
MailMate?


(it's a little like the question about making MailMate the default 
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Re: [MlMt] Flagged-Mailbox shows unflagged message

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On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

It has also been suggested to make it possible to have a shortcut to 
refresh a mailbox (as if re-selecting the mailbox).



That would indeed also solve this problem!


And it solved it!
Waiting for the MailMate-refresh I've made a workaround… yes, in 
KeyboardMaestro again ;-)
Pressing CMD-R now makes a fast switch to another mailbox and back to 
the FLAGGED-mailbox again.
It's actually a sort of refresh, because it works only for the 
FLAGGED-mailbox, but it's good enough for now.


A *real* refresh would be appreciated though.
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Re: [MlMt] What's the name of the "Flagged"-Mailbox?

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On 7 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 6 Mar 2016, at 3:55, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I would like to make a keyboard-shortcut for showing the 
"*Flagged*"-Mailbox, like this:


	"F" 	= ( "goToMailbox:", "Flagged", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline" );


but the name *Flagged* doesn't work.

What's the correct name then?


It's `FLAGGED`.


Thanks!


You can put it on the pasteboard by selecting the mailbox and then use 
“Edit ▸ Copy” (⌘C). This works for any mailbox.


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[MlMt] What's the name of the "Flagged"-Mailbox?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I would like to make a keyboard-shortcut for showing the 
"*Flagged*"-Mailbox, like this:


	"F" 	= ( "goToMailbox:", "Flagged", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline" );


but the name *Flagged* doesn't work.

What's the correct name then?

Thanks!


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[MlMt] Workaround for moving the focus in the message-list to the message on the top / bottom / (even middle of the screen)

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Since I didn't get any suggestions on my original question ([How to move 
the focus in the message-list to the message on the top / bottom / (even 
middle of the screen)?][1]) I used KeyboardMaestro for this.


I didn't find any MailMate-commands to do this (similar to [Workaround 
for sending a link from Safari via MailMate][2]) so I simply recorded 
the clicks on the top / bottom / middle of the list of the messages (see 
the attached KeyboardMaestro-MacroLibrary).

It's not elegant at all but it does what it should :-/
Perhaps some of you could also use something like this.

Now if I only could scroll the window with the messages-list to put this 
now active message from the middle / bottom to the top of the window (or 
from the top / middle to the bottom, or even from the top / bottom to 
the middle! :-)…



Regards,
Vlad





[1]: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/msg05448.html


[2]: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/msg05499.html
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Author

AuthorURL

CanDragToMacroGroup

Category1
Interface Control
Category2

Description

Items


Activate
Normal
CreationDate
0.0
IsActive

Macros


Actions


Action

MoveAndClick
Button
0
ClickCount
1

DisplayMatches


DragHorizontalPosition
0

DragVerticalPosition
0
Fuzz
15

HorizontalPositionExpression
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IsActive

IsDisclosed


MacroActionType

MouseMoveAndClick
Modifiers
0
MouseDrag
None
Relative
Window

RelativeCorner
TopLeft

RestoreMouseLocation


VerticalPositionExpression
1398


CreationDate
478496236.57915002
IsActive

ModificationDate
478496269.61106199
Name
activate the message on the 
bottom
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FireType
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KeyCode
11

MacroTriggerType
HotKey

Re: [MlMt] Flagged-Mailbox shows unflagged message

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On 29 Feb 2016, at 8:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

It has also been suggested to make it possible to have a shortcut to 
refresh a mailbox (as if re-selecting the mailbox).


That would indeed also solve this problem!
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Re: [MlMt] Any news?

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On 26 Feb 2016, at 11:38, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

Let me suggest to keep the „Design Crowd Funding Campaign“ alive. 
I believe that a lot of users (especially new users) do not even know 
about this campaign.


I was just going to ask: What is the „*Design Crowd Funding 
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[MlMt] Flagged-Mailbox shows unflagged message

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I have 10 flagged messages right now.

They appear all in the example mailbox "*Flagged*" and the counter of 
the flagged messages shows 10 - everything is ok!


After unflagging one of the 10 messages the counter of the flagged 
messages is updated immediately and shows 9 but the now un-flagged 
message still appears in the "*Flagged*"-mailbox.


It's only after changing the view / showing another mailbox that this 
un-flagged message don't appear anymore in the list of the flagged 
messages.


Why doesn't the "*Flagged*"-mailbox update it's view immediately?

Thanks!


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[MlMt] How to customize "On ... at ... f...@foo.com wrote:"

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Is there a way to customize the standard beginning quote of replies / 
fwd-ed mail-messages?



On 17 Feb 2016, at  9:32, [f...@foo.com](mailto:f...@foo.com) wrote:


Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] What takes time at startup?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hi, Philip!


Thanks for the reply!


On 8 Feb 2016, at 10:49, Philip Paeps wrote:

On 2016-02-08 05:50:12 (+0100), Vlad Ghitulescu <v...@ghitulescu.de> 
wrote:

On 6 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Patrik Fältström wrote:

350k email messages is nothing.

I have just below 2 million. 12k added each month, approximately.


I am new to MailMate, so please bare with me and my slightly OT 
question: why keeping so many email messages in MailMate (or any 
other email app at all)?


I can't speak for anyone else, only for myself.


That's also what I want to hear: I wanted to learn from people who think 
different than myself regarding email. It must be a reson! ;-)



I still have all my email messages since 2002 but keep only a 
relevant (and therefore *very small* and *constantly fresh*) subset 
in my email app of choice (currently MailMate) and all the rest in 
archives (external to the email app and servers and searchable via 
Finder and/or an email archive app).


My archives go back to the mid-nineties.  Since mail (generally) 
compresses well and (server) disk space kept getting cheaper, I 
decided a very long time ago that it's cheaper to keep everything than 
to regularly evaluate what's relevant.


How often do you use / read those mid-nineties email messages now?
I still have the email messages from 2002, but live doesn't stop :-) so 
I didn't take a glance of them since ages!



Not using my email app as a task manager (and delegating this to a 
dedicated task manager app) makes this easy too.


I also use a dedicated task manager now (OmniFocus).


Me too.


I'm not pretending that my method is better and I also understand 
that MailMate can graciously manage a huge amount of email - but why 
keeping all this information there and not somewhere else, once it 
not implying constantly replying / forwarding / etc.?


The problem with "somewhere else" is getting to it.


This is something that I also treasure and the email-archives are always 
there where I intensively do email (not on the iPhone - but that's ok 
for me, I can wait till I get home).


Even more: the archives are there even whitout an internet connection.



Simple connectivity is one thing, but also finding what I need.


See my previous message: MailSteward or HoudahSpot make that realy easy.


These days, it's usually pretty easy to find an internet connection 
but MailMate's search features are a lot better than `find Maildir 
-type f -mtime foo -exec grep -i mumble {} +`.


Oh, that sound fun too :-)



Philip


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Re: [MlMt] What takes time at startup?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 8 Feb 2016, at 11:02, Patrik Fältström wrote:

> Yes, but nothing beats standardized access to the email as IMAP.

The Finder-folder with a bunch of elm-messages it's also standardized enough.
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Re: [MlMt] What takes time at startup?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hey, Philip!


On 8 Feb 2016, at 13:56, Philip Paeps wrote:

On 2016-02-08 11:14:09 (+0100), Vlad Ghitulescu <v...@ghitulescu.de> 
wrote:

On 8 Feb 2016, at 10:49, Philip Paeps wrote:
My archives go back to the mid-nineties.  Since mail (generally) 
compresses well and (server) disk space kept getting cheaper, I 
decided a very long time ago that it's cheaper to keep everything 
than to regularly evaluate what's relevant.


How often do you use / read those mid-nineties email messages now?


Surprisingly often!


I'm then a lot luckier: My archives grows bigger every year, but I 
rarely (**very** rarely) search something older than three years.




Well, maybe not those from the nineties.


This is the chance to let them go! ;-)

(…)



Simple connectivity is one thing, but also finding what I need.


See my previous message: MailSteward or HoudahSpot make that realy 
easy.


I hadn't heard of these until now.


MailSteward (http://www.mailsteward.com) worked just fine with Mail.app 
for me - unfortunately not with MailMate, so I had to search for an 
alternative. It makes a MySQL-database from the email messages and let 
you search via an interface but also via *raw* sql-query if this strikes 
your fancy. It can schedule archiving, support OS X tags etc.


HoudahSpot (https://www.houdah.com/houdahSpot/) uses Spotlight's 
indexing for search, but it's a lot more powerful and convenient than 
using Spotlight. I'm using this to search the archived email messages 
from MailMate (they are eml-files in a Finder-folder). That's as quick 
as MailSteward but let my email messages free from any proprietary 
format (even if the eml-files - and their attributes - are generated by 
MailMate while dragging them from MailMate into the Finder-folder). And 
I'm using HoudahSpot already for searching & finding anything on my 
iMac, so there is no supplementary effort involved :-)



I'm not terribly enthusiastic about spreading my email access across 
different systems though.


That's a valid point!
But I think that Spotlight (w/o the confort of HoudahSpot) is secure 
enough, don't you think?



Standardised IMAP "just works".  Even if it means dragging a lot of 
history around and stretching client data structures and indices to 
their limits. :)


:-D
I can see the challenge, yes! Scaling is hard!

Thanks again for your thoughts!



Philip

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Re: [MlMt] What takes time at startup?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!

On 6 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Patrik Fältström wrote:


350k email messages is nothing.

I have just below 2 million. 12k added each month, approximately.


I am new to MailMate, so please bare with me and my slightly OT 
question: why keeping so many email messages in MailMate (or any other 
email app at all)?


I still have all my email messages since 2002 but keep only a relevant 
(and therefore *very small* and *constantly fresh*) subset in my email 
app of choice (currently MailMate) and all the rest in archives 
(external to the email app and servers and searchable via Finder and/or 
an email archive app).
Not using my email app as a task manager (and delegating this to a 
dedicated task manager app) makes this easy too.


I'm not pretending that my method is better and I also understand that 
MailMate can graciously manage a huge amount of email - but why keeping 
all this information there and not somewhere else, once it not implying 
constantly replying / forwarding / etc.?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

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On 1 Feb 2016, at 19:17, Muster Hans wrote:


On 1 Feb 2016, at 19:05, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Hi!


On 1 Feb 2016, at 17:53, Muster Hans wrote:


New with BBEdit 11.5, which has just arrived today:

http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/current_notes.html


When piping data into the bbedit tool, you can now add a line number 
specifier, and the and the insertion point will be placed at the 
start of the indicated line in the resulting document. For example:


ls -la | bbedit +5


I've just tested this and it puts the cursor at the beginning of 
line 5, without selecting it.


Yep, I saw this too, **BUT** I cannot find an alternative to put the 
cursor at the bottom of the file.




Hmm.

ls -la | wc -l
 404
ls -la | bbedit +

puts the cursor on the last line of the file, a blank line in this 
example.


Let's try a file which ends in a full line, but without  at the 
end:


bbedit +999 x.py # puts the cursor at the end of the last line.

FWIW, I've been using TextWrangler in a similar way for newsgroup 
posts,
called by slrn.  What I find there is that I want the cursor 
positioned
at the beginning of the post body, so that I can start at the 
beginning
and strip out unwanted quoted text, just leaving the relevant quoted 
text
plus my reply (possibly interleaved where answering more than one 
point).


Yes TW does select the entire line, but that's not a problem when I'm
using the cursor keys to move down through the text before typing any
text.


There's even a simpler solution!
Here directly from Bare Bones' technical support:

*(…)
When you pipe data via the 'bbedit' tool, BBEdit will by default place 
the insertion point at the end of the piped data.
Alternatively, you can make BBEdit place the insertion point at the top 
of file by including the '--view-top' parameter, or on any specific line 
by using the + convention I mentioned before.

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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

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On 1 Feb 2016, at 19:17, Muster Hans wrote:

> bbedit +

I'll use this too.

Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 1 Feb 2016, at 9:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:17, David Shepherdson wrote:

This is because of the change to The BBEdit command’s edit.sh. 
Taking out the:


+${MM_LINE_NUMBER}

…means that BBEdit is no longer being told which line to 
‘activate’ (i.e. select).


If only line numbers are supported via the command line then maybe 
AppleScript could be used instead. A quick Google search revealed that 
maybe `"select insertion point ..."` could be used somehow. Just a 
suggestion for anyone capable of making that work :-) (I don't have 
BBEdit installed myself.)


Thanks, I'll search for a solution!


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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hi, David!


On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:17, David Shepherdson wrote:

So you can’t use these two tricks in combination, unfortunately (at 
least, not unless/until Bare Bones adds the ability to specify the 
line number in the command without selecting it). You basically get a 
choice between MailMate telling BBEdit the correct line number, and 
BBEdit selecting it, or MailMate not telling BBEdit anything about the 
line number, so BBEdit puts the insertion point at the beginning of 
the file. I’m not bothered by the former, but then I only 
occasionally edit my messages in BBEdit, not all the time, so it’s 
rarely a problem for me.


Thanks for the explanation!

1. I'll speak with Bare Bones once again about it.
2. You're right: If it's unsolvable I can for sure get used to, that's 
no big deal…
3. … I even start to like the current behavior ;-), because I can say 
hello in the top of the email and then jump to the bottom for the reply. 
:-)


Thanks again!


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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hi!


On 1 Feb 2016, at 17:53, Muster Hans wrote:


New with BBEdit 11.5, which has just arrived today:

http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/current_notes.html


When piping data into the bbedit tool, you can now add a line number 
specifier, and the and the insertion point will be placed at the start 
of the indicated line in the resulting document. For example:


ls -la | bbedit +5


I've just tested this and it puts the cursor at the beginning of line 
5, without selecting it.


Yep, I saw this too, **BUT** I cannot find an alternative to put the 
cursor at the bottom of the file.



Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 31 Jan 2016, at 9:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 31 Jan 2016, at 8:25, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I still have the Caret Placement option in the Signatures > section 
of MailMate’s preferences as you suggested (*(…) set to Above 
Signature  > (with the ‘Default signature placement’ set to 
Bottom) (…)*), but now **every reply put my cursor at the top 
again** :-(


Any idea, what could have happened?


Try clicking “Reset Usage History” in the Signatures preferences 
pane. This should ensure a clean start.


I did. It didn't help, the caret was to the top again.


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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:13, David Shepherdson wrote:


On 29 Jan 2016, at 07.05, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I'm using the BBEdit-command in order to edit my email-messages in 
BBEdit.


Is there a way to position the cursor at the bottom of the email when 
replying / forwarding an email?


Isn’t this controlled by the Caret Placement option in the 
Signatures section of MailMate’s preferences? I have it set to Above 
Signature (with the ‘Default signature placement’ set to Bottom), 
and the cursor appears exactly where I would expect (when editing in 
MailMate, but as per the other thread I would expect it to be the same 
in an external editor).


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Something changed and I don't know what.

I still have the Caret Placement option in the Signatures > section of 
MailMate’s preferences as you suggested (*(…) set to Above Signature 
> (with the ‘Default signature placement’ set to Bottom) (…)*), 
but now **every reply put my cursor at the top again** :-(


Any idea, what could have happened?

Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


P.S. At leas this happens now whitout activating the whole line, so it 
seems that the change in edit.sh still works. I append the old and the 
new edit.sh-file, just for reference.


=== old
#!/bin/bash

PATH="${PATH}:/usr/local/bin/:${HOME}/bin"

if which -s bbedit; then
	bbedit --wait --resume --clean +${MM_LINE_NUMBER} --pipe-title 
"${MM_TITLE:-(no subject)}" "${MM_EDIT_FILEPATH}"

else
	osascript -e 'tell app "MailMate" to display dialog "Make sure you have 
the “bbedit” command installed. See the “BBEdit ▸ Install 
Command Line Tools” menu item within BBEdit." buttons "OK" default 
button 1 with title "Unable to locate BBEdit"' >/dev/null 2>&1 &

fi
===


=== new
#!/bin/bash

PATH="${PATH}:/usr/local/bin/:${HOME}/bin"

if which -s bbedit; then
	bbedit --wait --resume --clean --pipe-title "${MM_TITLE:-(no subject)}" 
"${MM_EDIT_FILEPATH}"

else
	osascript -e 'tell app "MailMate" to display dialog "Make sure you have 
the “bbedit” command installed. See the “BBEdit ▸ Install 
Command Line Tools” menu item within BBEdit." buttons "OK" default 
button 1 with title "Unable to locate BBEdit"' >/dev/null 2>&1 &

fi
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Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> Let's hope you don't need to switch back ;-)

I think we both know this by now, don't we?! ;-)
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Re: [MlMt] starting with an active row - bug or feature?

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On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:10, David Shepherdson wrote:


On 29 Jan 2016, at 07.10, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

As I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm using the BBEdit-command 
in MailMate.


One thing that's a bit annoying is that after the tab BBEdit starts 
with the cursor in the first row **and the whole row active** (as 
after CMD-L in BBEdit respectively CMD-left arrow & CMD-SHIFT-right 
arrow in every other OS X text editor).


I’m also using the BBEdit command (but not automatically — I use a 
keyboard shortcut when I want to edit a particular message using 
BBEdit), and I also see this behaviour. I think it is a feature, so 
that you are taken to the same line in BBEdit as the cursor was on in 
MailMate; it’s just that BBEdit selects the line, rather than simply 
moving to it.


One way to stop this would be to edit the file:

~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/BBEdit.mmbundle/Support/bin/edit


…and remove the ‘+${MM_LINE_NUMBER}’ part.


That was it (again! ;-)
Thanks!


Otherwise, it’s probably a feature request to Bare Bones Software 
for a way to go to a line from the bbedit tool without selecting it 
(like the built-in Go To Line command does).


I'll do this too, why not?!



David


Thanks again!
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Re: [MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:13, David Shepherdson wrote:


On 29 Jan 2016, at 07.05, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

I'm using the BBEdit-command in order to edit my email-messages in 
BBEdit.


Is there a way to position the cursor at the bottom of the email when 
replying / forwarding an email?


Isn’t this controlled by the Caret Placement option in the 
Signatures section of MailMate’s preferences? I have it set to Above 
Signature (with the ‘Default signature placement’ set to Bottom), 
and the cursor appears exactly where I would expect (when editing in 
MailMate, but as per the other thread I would expect it to be the same 
in an external editor).


That was it! Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] starting with an active row - bug or feature?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


As I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm using the BBEdit-command in 
MailMate.


One thing that's a bit annoying is that after the tab BBEdit starts with 
the cursor in the first row **and the whole row active** (as after CMD-L 
in BBEdit respectively CMD-left arrow & CMD-SHIFT-right arrow in every 
other OS X text editor).


Why?
and
Is there a way to change this behavior to a simple cursor (in insert 
mode)?


Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] number of flagged from "all messages" in the menubar

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I would like to see

1. the number of unread messages from INBOX
2. the number of the flagged messages from *all messages* and

in the red & green dots from the menu-bar.

Right now I get with the default settings

a) the number of unread messages from INBOX (hurray!) (red dot) and
b) the number of the flagged messages **from INBOX** (green dot)(see 
attachments).


Unfortunately I can only change the first (red dot) through the 
settings.


Any idea?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] How to put the cursor at the bottom of the original email when replying / forwarding?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I'm using the BBEdit-command in order to edit my email-messages in 
BBEdit.


Is there a way to position the cursor at the bottom of the email when 
replying / forwarding an email?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] number of flagged from "all messages" in the menubar

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hi, Lars!


Thanks for the quick reply!

On 28 Jan 2016, at 21:34, Lars Ippich wrote:


On 28 Jan 2016, at 21:32, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Right now I get with the default settings

a) the number of unread messages from INBOX (hurray!) (red dot) and
b) the number of the flagged messages **from INBOX** (green dot)(see 
attachments).


Unfortunately I can only change the first (red dot) through the 
settings.


"Note: The current interface in the preferences pane can be 
misleading. The 4 radio buttons to the left are not used to configure 
the position of a single counter. They are used to configure 4 
separate counters."


Simply select the counter you want to configure by using the 4 radio 
buttons on the left side :-)


I think I understood this.
What I was asking for was not the dots on the icon of MailMate in the 
Dock, but the dots in the menu-bar (see attachment).



Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 27 Jan 2016, at 21:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Jan 2016, at 21:04, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

Does that mean that it would be possible to have *two installs of 
MailMate running with access to the same support folder* if this two 
installs doesn't access the Application Support-folder 
simultaneously?


Maybe. I haven't tested it and I don't officially support it. Even if 
it works now it might not work in the future.


Also, it would be very slow and inefficient to synchronize the 
database files via a cloud service.




Ok, I understand.
Then the current *official* answer is: There's no efficient and secure 
way to access **one** database with more MailMate-clients, 
simultaneously or not. One should let the local installed 
MailMate-clients access the IMAP-server and not a central / cloud-based 
copy of the Application Support - folder.

Did I understand this correct?
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Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 27 Jan 2016, at 21:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Jan 2016, at 20:56, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


./defaultmailer -set mailmate


Any idea?


Just try repeating the above:

./defaultmailer -set mailmate

./defaultmailer

If it returns to `mail` then try again repeatedly. When I experimented 
it usually worked after a few rounds. Probably some kind of race 
condition.


I changed the defaultmailer to mailmate yesterday and went to bed. The 
first thing in the morning was to check what the defaultmailer is and… 
it was mail again! :-(

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Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!

On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:30, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

I have three Macs that I use, which currently have different mail 
accounts.
However I want to change this a bit and I wonder if there is a way to 
sync the settings between Macs.


What I would like to sync is basically smart mailboxes, key settings 
and other settings in the preferences.


There is (still) no way to do this. The best you can is to 
“migrate” settings by copying `.plist` files from/to this folder:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/

Note that you must quit MailMate on both machines before doing this. 
Only copy `Sources.plist`, `Submission.plist`, and `Identities.plist` 
if you are starting over on the destination machine.


Other preferences are stored in this file (like all other OS X 
applications):


~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

You should only copy that file if you are making a clean install.



Would it be possible to move the content of the folder 
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ in - let's say - 
~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ and then made a (symbolic) link 
from ~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ to ~/Library/Application 
Support?


Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad


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Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello, Benny!

On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:20, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Did you try the command I 
describe [here](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/msg05044.html). 


I did and have a question.

Here is the output from Terminal:

---
Vlads-iMac:bin Vlad$ ls -al
total 144
drwxr-xr-x@  6 Vlad  staff204 27 Jan 19:48 .
drwxr-xr-x+ 24 Vlad  staff816 20 Jan 16:29 ..
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff 47  2 Nov  2014 bbstdin
-rw-r--r--@  1 Vlad  staff  46936 27 Jan 19:48 defaultmailer
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff993  2 Nov  2014 getreflink
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff205  2 Nov  2014 nextreflink
Vlads-iMac:bin Vlad$ chmod u+x defaultmailer
Vlads-iMac:bin Vlad$ ls -al
total 144
drwxr-xr-x@  6 Vlad  staff204 27 Jan 19:48 .
drwxr-xr-x+ 24 Vlad  staff816 20 Jan 16:29 ..
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff 47  2 Nov  2014 bbstdin
-rwxr--r--@  1 Vlad  staff  46936 27 Jan 19:48 defaultmailer
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff993  2 Nov  2014 getreflink
-rwxr--r--   1 Vlad  staff205  2 Nov  2014 nextreflink
Vlads-iMac:bin Vlad$ ./defaultmailer
Current: mail

Use -set  to set a new default mailto: handler
Vlads-iMac:bin Vlad$
---

You wrote in the cited message:

*(…)

5. Assuming it's MailMate then do this:

./defaultmailer -set mail

(…)*

but in my case it wasn't MailMate, but mail.

What should I enter after -set in order to set MailMate as my mailer?

Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hey, Benny!


On 27 Jan 2016, at 20:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Jan 2016, at 20:28, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

Would it be possible to move the content of the folder 
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ in - let's say - 
~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ and then made a (symbolic) 
link from ~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ to 
~/Library/Application Support?


I have not tested if that works, but it definitely does ***not*** work 
to have two installs of MailMate running with access to the same 
support folder. Only one of them can be active at any time.




Does that mean that it would be possible to have *two installs of 
MailMate running with access to the same support folder* if this two 
installs doesn't access the Application Support-folder simultaneously?


Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


After discovering that the default mail client vicious circle is 
actually only an El Capitan - bug (see the thread *How to set MailMate 
(once!) to be the default app for email* - 
http://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-January/005526.html) I made a 
Keyboard Maestro - macro as a sort of workaround in order to be able to 
send the link of the current Safari-window / tab via MailMate.


I attach the macro - perhaps some of you could use it.

I'm using BBEdit as my text- and MailMate-editor, that's why I had to 
consider this as well.


I triggered the KBM-macro via the same keyboard-shortcut as the default 
Safari-keyboard-shortcut (muscle memory!).



Regards,
Vlad



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Re: [MlMt] How to set MailMate (once!) to be the default app for email

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hey!


On 25 Jan 2016, at 22:02, Mailmate wrote:


I found this solution

https://nickjvturner.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/osx-10-11-1-el-capitan-change-the-default-mail-client/

It looks reasonable but I don't have the issue so I have not tried it.


It didn't work! :-(
Thanks nevertheless ;-)


Regards,
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[MlMt] How to set MailMate (once!) to be the default app for email

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I’ve changed the default app for email to be MailMate in MailMate 
itself and in Apple’s Mail.app.


I’ve also changed in the Finder the default app for opening 
.eml-files.


However… every single time I’m sharing a link from Safari etc., 
Apple’s Mail.app appears (and in it’s setting the Mail.app it’s 
again the default email-app!).


Is there a way to end this vicious circle?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] Trigger words for attachment reminder

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


One of MailMate's very useful features for me is the nice reminder of 
forgotten attachments.


Writing emails also in other languages than English I wondered if 
there's an editable list of *trigger words* for this very useful 
feature.


And I'm not alone with this! ;-)

I found a similar approach in the previous cited article from MacStories 
(*MailButler Adds New Tools to Apple Mail* - 
https://www.macstories.net/reviews/mailbutler-adds-new-tools-to-apple-mail/):


*
(…)
Attachment Reminders

It's probably a safe bet that you have sent an email at some point and 
forgotten to include an attachment. MailButler tries to anticipate your 
intent to send a file based on keywords in your message. If it thinks 
you forgot an attachment, MailButler pops up a reminder before sending 
your message. In my tests, MailButler correctly identified 'attach' and 
'attachment,' as keywords, but failed to prompt me for an attachment 
when I typed "Here is the file we discussed." **Fortunately, you can add 
your own keywords to MailButler's repertoire.**

(…)
*


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Trigger words for attachment reminder

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 23 Jan 2016, at 14:03, Thomas Grundberg wrote:


2016-01-23 kl 13:40 skrev Vlad Ghitulescu:

If I understand it right, everything I want to be proofed before 
sending has to be inserted in the parathesis, with the words 
separated by |, right?


Right! That’s the way I’ve got it set up so that it catches the 
Swedish word for attachment: *bilaga*.


I've got it now! Thanks again!
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Re: [MlMt] Trigger words for attachment reminder

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

On 23 Jan 2016, at 12:58, Thomas Grundberg wrote:


2016-01-23 kl 12:34 skrev Vlad Ghitulescu:

Writing emails also in other languages than English I wondered if 
there's an editable list of *trigger words* for this very useful 
feature.


Have you tried “Attachment Check” in Preferences → Composer?


NO!!!

I've seen it at the beginning (wow! 11 day before… it seems like ages! 
;-), I didn't understand what that mean and forgot this immediately!


Thanks, Thomas!

Its content is right now:

(?i:attached|attaching|attachment|enclosed|enclosing|enclosure)

If I understand it right, everything I want to be proofed before sending 
has to be inserted in the parathesis, with the words separated by |, 
right?



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Re: [MlMt] possible to show icon/photo for the sender (or any contact for that matter) ?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


On 18 Jan 2016, at 9:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 18 Jan 2016, at 9:09, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


is $subject possible ?


Not easily.

I'm horribly bad with names but great with faces so would be awesome 
if mailmate
could show the sender contact photo in the header and if possible 
when hovering

a contact name.

Is any of this possible ? any hidden preference ?


The closest would be to inject something in the HTML generation. This 
might be easier when I've finished my (major) changes to message 
display/generation, but it would still require some kind of script 
which can retrieve/manage user images (I guess it should mainly be 
able to retrieve an image from Contacts). That's probably the hard 
part :-)




Look what I've found yesterday in John Voorhees' article *MailButler 
Adds New Tools to Apple Mail* at MacStories 
(https://www.macstories.net/reviews/mailbutler-adds-new-tools-to-apple-mail/)


*(…)
**Sender Avatars and Signatures**

The most noticeable change that MailButler makes to Mail when you first 
open it is the addition of avatars for most senders. MailButler pulls 
images from Contacts, Facebook, Flicker, Gravatar, Google+, and the web 
to create the avatars. Each avatar includes a small icon indicating its 
source. Most of the avatars in my inbox were pulled from the web and 
many looked a little rough because they were not Retina graphics, but on 
balance the feature worked well to help me identify senders at a glance.

(…)*

Would this be a solution / idea?


Regards,
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[MlMt] How to move the focus in the message-list to the message on the top / bottom / (even middle of the screen)?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Is there a way to move the focus in the messages-list on the email on 
the top / bottom or even in the middle of the screen (just like *T/B/M* 
in Vim)?


I've found selectFirstMessageRow: and selectLastMessageRow: but they are 
positioning the focus on the very first/last email of the list (just 
like CMD-up/down-arrow in a *normal* text-editor or *gg/G* in Vim) but 
not of the messages showed in the window?


Are there other selectors I should use?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] Spotlight?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


What does exactly mean this 3 settings:

1. Indexed for Finder/Spotlight
2. Custom location
3. Hide folder in Finder

?

Especially:

* to 1.: are the messages in MailMate not (Spotlight)-searchable if I 
don't mark this?

* to 2.: why should I want a custom location?
* to 3.: why would I hide the folder in Finder?

Thanks!


Regards,
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[MlMt] how to see the HTML-version of an email in MailMate

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I'm using 99% plain-text-email but once in a while I would like to be 
able to see the HTML-version.


As an example I send you two links to two screenshots, one to an email 
in MailMate 
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rarwhr3g1pfckjp/Bildschirmfoto%202016-01-18%20um%2014.32.15.png?dl=0) 
and the same email in Mail.app 
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnjg07brv5ixz62/GMail%20via%20Mail.png?dl=0).


How can I switch in MailMate from only-text to HTML?

Thanks!


Regards,
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