Re: [MlMt] How to search for unread mails?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi all,

I’m new here, switched to MailMate in September, so just 
wanted to say hi to everyone before commenting :)


Regarding the Unread filter feature, myself I had set a shortcut to 
toggle the « unread » filter key (`toggleFilterKey:`) so I can 
easily toggle the unread message on/off with a keystroke.


You can set it with a Custom Key Binding set with something like:

`"1" = ( "toggleFilterKey:", "unread" );`

Then in MailMate, you can click on the sender email so it filters your 
inbox to your specified contact and press you toggleFilterKey shortcut 
("1" in my case) and then see only the messages that are unread.


Hope this help!

Best

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On 12 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Robert M. Münch wrote:


On 11 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Glenn Parker wrote:

One quick and easy way: Enter “f *sender*” into the search bar, 
then (if necessary) display the Read column and click its the column 
header to sort by read/unread state.  All unread messages will be 
grouped at the top (or bottom) of the list.


Well, that’s what I do, but it’s not quick. Because I need to use 
the mouse and restore my previous sorting too.


I would like to type something like „fu sender“ or „fr sender“ 
that would be quick. @Benny: Maybe a good improvement of the search 
syntax.


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Re: [MlMt] Create a ToDo in BusyCal from a MM eMail

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Federico,

I don't think it's possible to add items to the context menu 
(which I think would be a great feature!), but to make it faster you can 
use the shortcut to directly access the commands.


I mean, if you select an email, you can press CTRL+SHIFT+C to pop a 
little menu with those 2 actions. Then, you can click on the one that 
you want or use the number key that represent the one that appear on the 
right side of the popup next to the command that you want.


Hope this helps!

Best,

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On 26 Feb 2020, at 6:00, Federico Guzzoni PM via mailmate wrote:


Hi Guillaume,

sorry to bothering you again.
Since I’m working a lot with BusyCal and BusyContacts (after 
Daylite)

I’d like to optimize the workflow.

Do you know if it possible marking an eMail to add the command
„BusyCal Add Task… and Event“ to the right click mouse button
somehow?

Thanks and best regards

Federico


On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:26, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Federico,

   I add a look and here is a modified version of the BusyCal
bundle. It adds the add task option.

Link: https://d.pr/f/iggXJi

@Benny, feel free to add the "Create Task.mmCommand" + "add-task" 
file

to the MailMate BusyCal bundle if you want to update it.

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On 24 Feb 2020, at 3:13, Federico Guzzoni PM via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

to create an event in BusyCal from a MM eMail is very useful and
works fine.
More important (for me) would be to create a ToDo.

I guess a second or extended BusyCal Bundle is needed.

Can anyone help?

Thanks and regards

Federico

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Re: [MlMt] Create a ToDo in BusyCal from a MM eMail

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

Great!

Also, if you prefer to have a direct shortcut to each of those commands 
(I mean, having a specific shortcut that call one command directly 
instead of popping the menu), you could add a MailMate shortcut that 
calls the "performBundleItemWithUUID:" selector with the UUID of the 
command that you want or edit the BusyCal bundle and change the shortcut 
there directly or set a custom shortcut in the standard macOS keyboard 
shortcuts preference or use an application that can call a menubar item 
like BetterTouchTool, Keyboard Maestro...


Best,

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On 26 Feb 2020, at 8:43, Federico Guzzoni PM wrote:


Hi Guillaume,

yes, that helps a lot. Thank you again!

Best regards

Federico


On 26 Feb 2020, at 14:20, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Federico,

I don't think it's possible to add items to the context menu
(which I think would be a great feature!), but to make it faster you 
can

use the shortcut to directly access the commands.

I mean, if you select an email, you can press CTRL+SHIFT+C to pop a
little menu with those 2 actions. Then, you can click on the one that
you want or use the number key that represent the one that appear on 
the

right side of the popup next to the command that you want.

Hope this helps!

Best,

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On 26 Feb 2020, at 6:00, Federico Guzzoni PM via mailmate wrote:


Hi Guillaume,

sorry to bothering you again.
Since I’m working a lot with BusyCal and BusyContacts (after
Daylite)
I’d like to optimize the workflow.

Do you know if it possible marking an eMail to add the command
„BusyCal Add Task… and Event“ to the right click mouse button
somehow?

Thanks and best regards

Federico


On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:26, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Federico,

   I add a look and here is a modified version of the BusyCal
bundle. It adds the add task option.

Link: https://d.pr/f/iggXJi

@Benny, feel free to add the "Create Task.mmCommand" + "add-task"
file
to the MailMate BusyCal bundle if you want to update it.

Best,

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On 24 Feb 2020, at 3:13, Federico Guzzoni PM via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

to create an event in BusyCal from a MM eMail is very useful and
works fine.
More important (for me) would be to create a ToDo.

I guess a second or extended BusyCal Bundle is needed.

Can anyone help?

Thanks and regards

Federico

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Re: [MlMt] Create a ToDo in BusyCal from a MM eMail

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Federico,

   I add a look and here is a modified version of the BusyCal bundle. 
It adds the add task option.


Link: https://d.pr/f/iggXJi

@Benny, feel free to add the "Create Task.mmCommand" + "add-task" file 
to the MailMate BusyCal bundle if you want to update it.


Best,

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On 24 Feb 2020, at 3:13, Federico Guzzoni PM via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

to create an event in BusyCal from a MM eMail is very useful and works 
fine.

More important (for me) would be to create a ToDo.

I guess a second or extended BusyCal Bundle is needed.

Can anyone help?

Thanks and regards

Federico

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Re: [MlMt] default detail for searching

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Peter,

You can look at the search syntax here: 
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/view


I didn't test, but I think if you want to change the default search 
scope you can set it using a hidden preference like:


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultSearchScope -string "from"

Myself, I'm using the default search scope and switch the scope using 
the search syntax and simply start my search using "f " to search using 
the "from" scope like:


    f "Guillaume Barrette"

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On 5 Feb 2020, at 12:23, Peter Borsella wrote:


Hello, All,

When I enter an argument in the “search” field of Mailmate, the 
default search detail is “common headers or unquoted text.”  Is 
there a way to change that default to something else, such as the 
“From” option?


Thanks...Peter


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Re: [MlMt] When printing emailed invoices => how to not print headers?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

   I second as well that it would be useful to have the option when 
printing so we can change for any specific email.


I saw [this 
discussion](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/792-print-without-header) 
where a solution is given by modifying the "stylesheet.css" file, but I 
couldn't make it work…


This solution changes the "stylesheet.css" to remove the headers when 
printing, but I think it would be great to be able to decide while 
printing if we want to keep it or not. So, I'm not sure if it is 
possible to add controls to the print popup dialog since it is a native 
window, but if not, maybe it would be great to add a way to set 
different css files for different print configurations and adding a 
drop-down menu somewhere that would let us choose the css file to be 
used for the now printing document.


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On 3 Feb 2020, at 17:14, Robert Brenstein wrote:


I second that this would be quite a useful feature.
This would have to be set however not as a preference but be an option 
to set when printing any specific email, me thinks.


Robert

On 1 Feb 2020, at 19:33, Robert M. Münch wrote:

Is there a way how I can avoid that any email headers are printed? I 
just want to print the content.


This would be very useful especially when printing invoices, where 
the email headers don’t help a lot.


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Re: [MlMt] Full-Screen mode when Composing Email (either new or reply)

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Tj,

   Actually, macOS has a split view on full screen (if you are on El 
Capitan or above). To do what you want, I would do:


1. Open the message that you want to reply in a new window: File > Open 
Message [CMD+O]


2. Reply to this message: Message > Reply… (or Forward, Redirect…)

3. Now, using your cursor, click on the green circle without releasing 
(hold click) for about a second. Then you will see a blue rectangle 
appearing behind that divides the screen in 2. Move your window to the 
side of the screen that you want it to appear. This would push your 
window in full screen but taking half of the screen space.


4. Then, on the other side, you will see multiple windows. Select the 
window that corresponds to your open message. This will push it in full 
screen to this side, so you will have both side by side.


You can see [here](https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204948) for an 
overview of the feature from Apple.


I'm on Mojave, I think on Catalina a little popup will appear instead of 
the blue rectangle to place the window, but they do basically the same 
thing.


Hope this help!

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On 4 Feb 2020, at 19:13, TJ Luoma wrote:


I have been using full-screen mode more lately on my MacBook Air,
which led me to wonder if it is possible do something in Mailmate
which I would very much like, but I'm not sure if it can be done (in
any practical sense of the word).

When I am replying to an email, I like to have the compose window on
the right half of the screen, and the original message on the left
half of the screen. That way I can easily refer to things as needed.

Of course in full-screen mode, I get the compose window in
full-screen, and I'm not sure there's any practical way around that.
As far as I know, macOS does not have the same kind of "split screen"
that iPads have.

But I thought I'd mention it, just in case there _is_ a way to do that
which I had not discovered.

Thanks!

Tj
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Re: [MlMt] synchronise button for tool bar ?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Max,

I think this is a great idea! However, I have another one for 
you. It's not exactly what you want, but I thought you may like this… 
So, as a tip, myself I've set a shortcut to the "Synchronize > All 
Sources" menu item. I tried with the MailMate "synchronize:" action, but 
this doesn't update all the sources mailboxes. So, I went with a 
standard macOS shortcut, by setting it in the


General Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > App shortcuts.

And adding a new one with MailMate as the application and "All Sources" 
as the Menu title and then set my wanted shortcut.


Best,

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On 17 Feb 2020, at 8:39, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


Hi,

Any way to add synchronise (All) button to the toolbar instead of 
having to use the nested menu ?


I rarely use the toolbar but since i've been travelling and realised 
mailmate burns through my GB allowance like there is no tomorrow

I've now moved to manual sync and the menu is tedious ;)

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Re: [MlMt] Shortcut for "Recent Searches" in Toolbar Search

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi all,

   Yes, it seems the default "Next Message" shortcut interfere with 
macOS's default shortcut to pop the Search Field drop-down menu. A 
workaround is to change the MailMate shortcut used for the "Next 
Message" menubar item to something else to free the CMD+Down shortcut.


Best

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On 8 Jan 2020, at 13:20, Alain Israel wrote:


it also takes me to the next message. Weird….

Alain

On 8 Jan 2020, at 19:19, Bill Cole wrote:


On 7 Jan 2020, at 18:54, Williper Larnloge wrote:


On 6 Jan 2020, at 15:59, Bill Cole wrote:


CMD-Down when the search box is active works for me


That takes me to the next message.


Even when the search box is active? i.e. when it has a blinking 
cursor in it.


Odd. If I do Cmd-Opt-F then Cmd-Down I get the recent list.

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Re: [MlMt] Shortcut for "Recent Searches" in Toolbar Search

[Guillaume Barrette]

Just to comment on my work around so no one search too much… I don't 
think it's possible to change the menubar shortcuts from a MailMate 
custom keybinding file, you need to use the standard macOS way using the 
Keyboard Shortcuts tab in the Keyboard Pane of the System Preferences.


Go to the "App Shortcuts" list and add a new item with MailMate as the 
application and "Next Message" as the Menu Title and a new shortcut for 
this action that you like that don't interfere with any other.


Then you should be able to pop the drop-down menu using CMD+Down in the 
search field


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On 8 Jan 2020, at 13:28, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi all,

   Yes, it seems the default "Next Message" shortcut interfere with 
macOS's default shortcut to pop the Search Field drop-down menu. A 
workaround is to change the MailMate shortcut used for the "Next 
Message" menubar item to something else to free the CMD+Down shortcut.


Best

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On 8 Jan 2020, at 13:20, Alain Israel wrote:


it also takes me to the next message. Weird….

Alain

On 8 Jan 2020, at 19:19, Bill Cole wrote:


On 7 Jan 2020, at 18:54, Williper Larnloge wrote:


On 6 Jan 2020, at 15:59, Bill Cole wrote:


CMD-Down when the search box is active works for me


That takes me to the next message.


Even when the search box is active? i.e. when it has a blinking 
cursor in it.


Odd. If I do Cmd-Opt-F then Cmd-Down I get the recent list.

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Re: [MlMt] Standard reply/respons mails

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Marc,

   To give you some more suggestions...

Personally I love Alfred, but for an email template with placeholders 
that you could easily modify at the time of invoking the template, I 
would use Typinator (like Denis and Jan suggested) since it is easier to 
setup with less workaround to input your value.


If you want to use a template without placeholders, then Alfred could be 
a very good solution and that you could use for other features as well 
(like creating your own workflows based on your work).


With that said, I would say that [Keyboard 
Maestro](https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/) could be another very good 
suggestion. You can do many things with it like snippet expansion with 
placeholders, having a popup macro palette with buttons that could do 
anything you set them to do. For example, if you are more of a click 
focused user than a keyboard centric, then you could put your templates 
as different buttons on the palette that you can invoke by clicking them 
instead of remembering a snippet text trigger.


To have an overview, you can see here how to create a fill-in snippets: 
http://www.macdrifter.com/2016/04/a-quick-tour-of-keyboard-maestro-fill-in-snippets.html



Another suggestion would be to use a clipboard manager application that 
you could save content into a group of clipboard items. I mean, an 
application like [Copy'em 
Paste](https://apprywhere.com/copy-em-paste.html)


Another suggestion, you could use a snippet manager to organize your 
templates and some of them allow to copy the content to the clipboard 
(ex: [SnippetsLab](https://www.renfei.org/snippets-lab/) which also have 
a nice menubar item to search your snippets) or other who let you create 
text expansion with placeholders (ex: [Dash](https://kapeli.com/dash) )


Regarding templates using only MailMate, here are some suggestions:

1. You could set a mailbox in MailMate named "Templates" (for example) 
where you could send your templates into and then use "Edit as new 
message..." action of MailMate to reuse the template. Not the best to 
reply to someone, but if your situation is to deal with new email, then 
this could work.


2. Again, not the best idea, but you could create multiple signatures 
where each one is a different template.


3. You could create yourself a MailMate bundle that could add this 
feature. This is more work, but if you want something that is directly 
inside MailMate, this could be a good solution. You could invoke a 
script and create an input dialog for your placeholder using AppleScript 
or [Pashua](https://www.bluem.net/en/projects/pashua/) or something 
else...


I think this gives you many ideas/possibilities... again, myself I would 
use Typinator, but you could look at the others and see if something 
better fit how you work. From my point of view, they are all really 
great applications!


Best,

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On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:50, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


On 22 Apr 2020, at 16:29, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote:

I would add to what Stefan said that, in addition to TextExpander 
which I used for a while, there is also Typinator which I use now and 
that I now prefer. Both TextExpander and Typinator can do what you 
need, including things like presenting you with a text with 
placeholders for the name of the client for example (or other 
variables) before pasting the canned response.


Depending on the size of your company and how many people answer 
customers, I think that TextExpander now has features for sharing 
snippets among team members.


My suggestion: if you are alone or working separately from each other 
then Typinator is better (faster, nicer ... I just like it better), 
but if you need to use several machines and/or sync for several users 
then Textexpander is probably better.


Personally I prefer Typinator but since I'm on several different 
machines I use Textexpander.


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Re: [MlMt] Mail drop capable?

[Guillaume Barrette]

To add more information to Robert's message. Most of the cloud storage 
solutions (Dropbox, Google Drive, Box...) let you upload a file and get 
a link that you can then embed in your email. This way you can send any 
file size that your cloud storage allows.


Also, you can use a service that let you upload a file on their servers 
from some days or unlimited days (often if you use the paid version) and 
give you a link to your file that you can send. For example:


- 
[wetransfer](https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/wetransfer/id1114922065?l=fr=12)

- [Droplr](https://droplr.com)
- [CloudApp](https://www.getcloudapp.com)

And if you have your own server, you can upload your file there and send 
the link to it or use and application that would do the work for you 
like [Dropshare](https://dropshare.app)


Or with that last one (Dropshare), you can also use it to upload to one 
of your cloud storage and will work like Droplr or CloudApp.


Hope this help!

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On 3 May 2020, at 12:06, Robert Brenstein wrote:

There are several such services. I personally use pcloud transfer 
(https://transfer.pcloud.com). If you use dropbox and have enough 
space, you can also put files into dropbox and send the link to the 
file.


On 3 May 2020, at 17:48, Bill Cropper via mailmate wrote:

Can Mailmate be setup to use Apple’s [Mail 
Drop](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203093) feature?  Are there 
other methods to send large attachments other than Mail Drop?


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Re: [MlMt] strikethrough

[Guillaume Barrette]

Sorry, correcting last email, the default shortcut for strikethrough is 
CMD+SHIFT+X`


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On 13 May 2020, at 8:48, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

  First, MailMate has a s̶t̶r̶i̶k̶e̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ 
feature, but it seems it's not based on markdown, but on ASCII 
character. Which is great for people who want to read the plain text 
version of the email and don't know the markdown way of strikethrough.


You can find this feature in the menubar at: `Format > Strikethrough` 
or CMD+X by default I think


Regarding the markdown processor, from what I've seen, MailMate uses 
`sundown`. You can find the processor at:


`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`

However, I don't know if Benny customized it for MailMate.

One thing worth noting, from the sundown GitHub page, we can see that 
is fully standard compliant, but has optional support for several 
non-standard Markdown extensions like:


- non-strict emphasis
- fenced code blocks
- tables
- autolinks
- strikethrough
- and more...

So, maybe the strikethrough extension is simply not activated by 
Benny? Maybe it would be great to activate this option from sundown 
(I'm asking Benny here as a feature request ;) )?


Another point regarding aisrael question, that made me think of 
[CriticMarkup](http://criticmarkup.com). Maybe it would be great to 
add CriticMarkup as an extension like we have for the Math language or 
Highlight code feature or as a bundle (if possible)


Best,

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On 13 May 2020, at 8:29, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 13 May 2020, at 14:19, Bryce Wray wrote:

Ah, you are absolutely correct, sir. My mistake. As a Multi-MD fan 
myself, wish it were an option. Maybe someday…


Two things:
* the documentation should detail what is supported (and possibly 
what isn't supported)
* if we knew which library was being used we might be able to see if 
it can be fixed upstream


But basically, MailMate falls down frequently because of inadequate 
documentation. It would be nice to "open source" the documentation at 
least so that some power users could contribute to it. That said, I 
fully understand that even just setting up a dedicated (sub?) repo 
for this would be work.


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Re: [MlMt] strikethrough

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

  First, MailMate has a s̶t̶r̶i̶k̶e̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ 
feature, but it seems it's not based on markdown, but on ASCII 
character. Which is great for people who want to read the plain text 
version of the email and don't know the markdown way of strikethrough.


You can find this feature in the menubar at: `Format > Strikethrough` or 
CMD+X by default I think


Regarding the markdown processor, from what I've seen, MailMate uses 
`sundown`. You can find the processor at:


`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`

However, I don't know if Benny customized it for MailMate.

One thing worth noting, from the sundown GitHub page, we can see that is 
fully standard compliant, but has optional support for several 
non-standard Markdown extensions like:


- non-strict emphasis
- fenced code blocks
- tables
- autolinks
- strikethrough
- and more...

So, maybe the strikethrough extension is simply not activated by Benny? 
Maybe it would be great to activate this option from sundown (I'm asking 
Benny here as a feature request ;) )?


Another point regarding aisrael question, that made me think of 
[CriticMarkup](http://criticmarkup.com). Maybe it would be great to add 
CriticMarkup as an extension like we have for the Math language or 
Highlight code feature or as a bundle (if possible)


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On 13 May 2020, at 8:29, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 13 May 2020, at 14:19, Bryce Wray wrote:

Ah, you are absolutely correct, sir. My mistake. As a Multi-MD fan 
myself, wish it were an option. Maybe someday…


Two things:
* the documentation should detail what is supported (and possibly what 
isn't supported)
* if we knew which library was being used we might be able to see if 
it can be fixed upstream


But basically, MailMate falls down frequently because of inadequate 
documentation. It would be nice to "open source" the documentation at 
least so that some power users could contribute to it. That said, I 
fully understand that even just setting up a dedicated (sub?) repo for 
this would be work.


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Bill,

Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it starts 
at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. With that, 
I'm watching it during the day and see that the download count raise 
little by little. For example, I restarted Activity Monitor this morning 
(a little before I sent my last email) and without restarting MailMate 
and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo uploads 
[screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW)


So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the 
process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and restart 
on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite sure this 
is accumulated between each time I restart it.


Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place 
where I could see the total since the process started to see the 
difference.


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On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote:


On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of 
data.
You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my 
laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a)


I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime 
of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit 
documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) does 
not reset the counter.


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi all!

First, thanks Travis, Bill and Randall for your insight on how IMAP 
works. I think that would have been long and demanding to scan every 
email when syncing, so I'm glad this is not the case


Thanks Patrik for your workflow regarding your procedure to archive your 
emails, I'll keep this as well for when I need to move my emails out of 
MM.


As I said, at the moment I can live with the disk space + RAM + MailMate 
general performance while working with it since I don't find it that 
slow. I know it would be snappier while searching and doing operations, 
but I think I'll investigate a little more to see if I can find the 
cause of the high download bandwidth.


To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of 
data.
You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my 
laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a)


Regarding the RAM (I think it's simply because of the number of emails, 
but if anyone find something that doesn't look right regarding the RAM 
or anything else, please let me know!);


- [Screenshot from Activity Monitor](https://d.pr/i/UEw5dy)

- From the "top" terminal command:

```
PIDCOMMAND  %CPU TIME #TH   #WQ  #PORT MEMPURG   CMPRS  
PGRP  PPID  STATEBOOSTS   %CPU_ME %CPU_OTHRS UID  FAULTS
COW  MSGSENTMSGRECVSYSBSD SYSMACHCSW PAGEINS 
 IDLEW  POWE
24238  MailMate 1.4  77:01.88 2527071  1164M  2088K  736M   
24238 1 sleeping *0[5479] 0.00236 0.0501  9284220   
3535 10108349+  2441046+   66702119+  38571993+  31311669+   294676  
 698677+1.6

```

- From the Instruments application:

```
Process ID	Process Name		Responsible Process	User Name			% CPU	CPU Time	 
# Threads	Memory	  Kind			Sudden Termination	Sandbox	Restricted	App 
Nap	Idle Wake Ups	Disk Writes (B)	Disk Reads (B)	
24238		 MailMate (24238)	n/a	   		 GuillaumeBarrette	2.1%	 77.11 
min	26		   1.13 GiB	Intel (64 bit)	No	No			No		No		1,739,433		639.85 
MiB		 2.40 GiB	

```

So, I'll keep investigating the bandwidth and see if I find a solution 
(or do you think I should fill a bug report?)


Thanks again everyone for your inputs, this is really appreciated!

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On 10 May 2020, at 1:07, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:


On 9 May 2020, at 16:45, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

So, I think my best way to reduce most of it would be to move a lot 
of my emails to a new submailbox that I will unsubscribe from 
MailMate. So my question, is this the only solution?


FWIW, your usage is MUCH smaller than mine. If I had only your 
situation, I would not start doing what you are doing...  :-) :-) :-)


That said, your plan is exactly what I have implemented.

What I have is a virtual mailbox ("To Archive") which include all 
email that is older than one year, with sub mailboxes which is "one 
month per sub mailbox".


Then I move all mail which is in these "To Archive" sub mailboxes to 
mailboxes on this separate account which only have this older mail.


Two important things:

- The actual move, the archiving, is something I do manually

- I do *NOT* move mail that I have flags on, those stay

Implement as follows:

1. Create a virtual mailbox "The Mail" that includes all mail that is 
to be archived, for example the following mailboxes. No rules for this 
mailbox. This is btw the one you base all actions on (all other 
mailboxes) instead of "All Mail". For example "Unread", "Default 
mailbox for searches" etc.


1.1. Mail NOT in the archive itself (in that account)
1.2. Mail NOT in Draft
1.3. Mail NOT in Junk
1.4. Mail NOT in Deleted Messages

2. Create the mailbox "To Archive" with the following characteristics 
(2.2.3 is to not have data for the Apple Notes application be moved 
away):


2.1. Act on "The Mail" as the mailbox
2.2. Conditions, where all of the following are true:
2.2.1. "Date is not within 1 year"
2.2.2. "Message is not flagged"
2.2.3. "X-Uniform-Type-Identifier" is not com.apple.mail-note
2.3. For sub mailboxes set:
2.3.1. Have a sub mailbox for each unique value of Date->Month
2.3.2. Set name of sub mailbox to "${#date.month}"

Then you create one folder in your archive account which have the same 
name as the sub mailboxes within "To Archive", open the sub mailbox, 
select all, and just drag the mail over.


This 2nd account, with the archive you then do not have to for example 
add on your phone etc. And more importantly, as you act all Mailmate 
commands and virtual folders on the "The Mail" folder, the speed up 
with be "a lot".


   Patrik

P.S. FWIW, I get 12-13k messages a month, my MailMate process is 5-6G 
and I have a total of 2.8 million email messages by now...adding 
12-15k per month.

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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

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Thanks Charlie!

I'll give it a look, while seeing the other emails regarding AltaMail vs 
Preside I was wondering about what people were using on their Android 
device. Thanks for mentioning FairMail, this look to be great!


Best,

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On 10 May 2020, at 11:51, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote:

So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to 
share.


On Android (because not everyone who has a Mac has to have an I-Phone) 
I find FairMail pretty good. It's not as fully featured as MailMate 
but it is a reliable MUA that properly supports text/plain e-mails 
allows you disable top posting: personally, I think any mail client 
that doesn't do this should automatically be grey-listed! ;-)


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Sam,

   Thanks a lot for doing the test, this is really appreciated and 
give me a better cue that something shouldn't be right with my setup!


I was thinking that maybe the problem was with Gmail since my 3 emails 
who are really used are from Gmail, the 2 others are from my web hosting 
provider and only have 109 messages in one and 21 in the other, but now 
that you said that you have 2 Gmails addresses, then there must be 
something else.


So, do you mind giving me some insight on how your Gmail accounts are 
configured in MailMate? Myself, I followed the information that we can 
find in MailMate manual 
[here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup). So my `Important` 
+ `Starred` mailboxes are unchecked (not subscribed), but I kept checked 
my `All Mail` mailbox (subscribed). Is it what you have or you also 
unchecked the `All Mail` mailbox ?


Now I think I'll put my email accounts offline and activate one for a 
while and do this procedure with each account and see if one is the 
problem or if it's MailMate in general.


One question for anyone reading, I don't think this is the case since 
from my understanding this should simply scan the local copy of the 
emails, but does the more that we have smart mailboxes in MailMate the 
more it needs to fetch emails online?


Thanks again Sam and everyone!

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On 10 May 2020, at 20:53, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Just a follow up - having run MailMate for about 18 hours with 
Activity Monitor open, I’m showing 1 MB sent and 20 MB received.


Not a huge email day for me, but that’s like three orders of 
magnitude less than what you’re seeing. I think there’s something 
screwy going on with your setup.


Maybe some brain-dead IMAP servers force MailMate to be more 
profligate with bandwidth. What servers are you connecting to? I have 
two Fastmail accounts, two GMail accounts, and one private server 
running Dovecot.


Hope this helps and that you find a fix.
-sam

On 10 May 2020, at 12:25, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Bill,

Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it 
starts at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. 
With that, I'm watching it during the day and see that the download 
count raise little by little. For example, I restarted Activity 
Monitor this morning (a little before I sent my last email) and 
without restarting MailMate and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo 
uploads [screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW)


So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the 
process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and 
restart on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite 
sure this is accumulated between each time I restart it.


Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place 
where I could see the total since the process started to see the 
difference.


Best,

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On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote:


On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of 
data.
You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put 
my laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a)


I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime 
of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit 
documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) 
does not reset the counter.


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Bill,

  Thanks again for your help!

Regarding the rules that apply tags, actually I had one for each emails 
that added a tag to each new email and that were changed at a later time 
by a Google Apps Script. I now removed them and removed the script. I'll 
see if this changes something (actually I did it some hours ago and with 
only 1 email online in MM and I still see the download raise a little 
too much; seems to be less than before, but still a lot more than what 
Sam gets).


Now I've been running with my biggest email account (102,819 emails) for 
about 2 or maybe 3 hours and I have 170 mb downloads. So, I guess this 
is the one that is the most problematic... I'll keep looking at it.


You said that Gmail auto tagging could cause the download of email 
multiple times, could this happen with the auto mark as Important in 
Gmail ? and when we flag an email (starred) ? Or since those 2 mailboxes 
are not subscribed, then this shouldn't cause any problem?


Thanks,

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On 10 May 2020, at 22:21, Bill Cole wrote:


On 10 May 2020, at 21:43, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Sam,

   Thanks a lot for doing the test, this is really appreciated and 
give me a better cue that something shouldn't be right with my setup!


I was thinking that maybe the problem was with Gmail since my 3 
emails who are really used are from Gmail, the 2 others are from my 
web hosting provider and only have 109 messages in one and 21 in the 
other, but now that you said that you have 2 Gmails addresses, then 
there must be something else.


GMail does seem like a potential source of heavy traffic, since they 
conflate IMAP flags (which MM exposes as "Tags") with mailboxes, so 
that their mailboxes are a bit like "Smart" mailboxes. If you have 
rules that tag mail automatically you could end up downloading mail 
twice or more.



So, do you mind giving me some insight on how your Gmail accounts are 
configured in MailMate? Myself, I followed the information that we 
can find in MailMate manual 
[here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup). So my 
`Important` + `Starred` mailboxes are unchecked (not subscribed), but 
I kept checked my `All Mail` mailbox (subscribed). Is it what you 
have or you also unchecked the `All Mail` mailbox ?


I also have 2 GMail accounts, one with the recommended subscriptions 
and one with all mailboxes subscribed. I do not see heavy bandwidth 
usage, but I also have very little mail activity on those accounts.


Now I think I'll put my email accounts offline and activate one for a 
while and do this procedure with each account and see if one is the 
problem or if it's MailMate in general.


An excellent approach.

One thing I have seen (and submitted a bug report for years ago) is 
that MM can get into an infinite loop state where it repeatedly runs 
the same IMAP commands against the same mailbox until the mailbox is 
offlined. This could cause heavy bandwidth use but you would probably 
notice that because it comes with an activity spinner for the account 
& mailbox stricken by the bug.



One question for anyone reading, I don't think this is the case since 
from my understanding this should simply scan the local copy of the 
emails, but does the more that we have smart mailboxes in MailMate 
the more it needs to fetch emails online?


No. Unless you have rules attached to those smart mailboxes that tag 
or move messages automatically, they should not cause any server 
interactions.




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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Sorry, I forgot to specify... I'm using the last non-beta version of 
MailMate: Version 1.13.1 (5671)


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On 9 May 2020, at 10:57, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hey Alexandre,

   Let me know what you found out on your side! It would be great 
to see if it's my setup the problem.


To give you some tips, open the Activity Monitor and go into the 
Network Tab. Keep the application open on this state or the bandwidth 
will reset to 0. You can filter to MailMate


Or you can use the Terminal.app and run: nettop
There you can scroll to see MailMate and see its bytes_in for the 
download.


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On 9 May 2020, at 10:49, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 9 May 2020, at 16:45, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Thanks anyone for any cues and help!


I'm afraid I don't have anything actionable but I will have a closer 
look to MM and bandwidth usage. I have always felt (and complained) 
that MM was a resource hog but never actually took the time to get 
into taking measurements. Let's do this...



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[MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear MailMate Users,

First, I want to say that I really like MailMate with its 
customization and search possibilities, this is not a rant, but just 
that I would like to tune it to reduce its footprint if possible.


In short I find it a little heavy regarding its usage of resources. To 
give some statistics:


My mailboxes consist of:

- 195,766 messages collected from 5 mailboxes (3 from Gmail + 2 other 
from my web host which have pretty much no message in them)

- I'm getting around 80 emails per day

What I would like to improve:

1. By investigating MailMate's downloads from the Activity Monitor 
Network tab, I see that MailMate is downloading around 2gb of data per 
days
2. My "Messages.noindex" directory takes around 20gb of space on my 
drive

3. MailMate takes around 1gb of memory while running

So, I think my best way to reduce most of it would be to move a lot of 
my emails to a new submailbox that I will unsubscribe from MailMate. So 
my question, is this the only solution? I know there's no way to set 
MailMate to only download emails from the "last 6 months" or something 
like that, but is there other solutions than to move everything out?


Regarding my MailMate download statistic, my Internet plan consists of 
150gb per month, so almost half of it goes to MailMate (2gb x 30 days = 
60gb / 150gb), is this normal our could it be a bug? I don't think my 
previous email application was using that much bandwidth... I have 
difficulty to see how MailMate can use that much bandwidth since by 
looking at a big day (105 mails) it's around 6.8 mb of storage space. 
Is MailMate batch re-downloading many emails every day ? To mention, all 
my accounts have their "Synchronization Schedule" set to "Every 10 
minutes".


I have multiple Smart Mailboxes, with some submailboxes populated using 
the "Submailbox for each unique value of", could this add to the 
bandwidth and does reducing the amount will greatly help in reducing the 
memory used or the memory is more proportional to the number of emails?


Thanks anyone for any cues and help!

All the best,

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Re: [MlMt] 2nd instance of MaiMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Before seeing TJ's email, I thought of a manual solution, but now I 
think SwitchUp may be a better solution (less risky).


However, if you want to try, you can simply create a script (or do it 
manually) that would switch between 2 sets of MailMate associated files 
(data).


In short, you would need to switch the directories/files at:

- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
- ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
- ~/Library/Caches/com.freron.MailMate
- ~/Library/Saved Application State/com.freron.MailMate.savedState

To do that, you can move them out or rename them and MailMate will 
create a new set when it starts again. Then you can switch between those 
2 sets and you should get what you want (if I'm not missing a file).


So, I would say, I won't give you any guarantee, but if you feel 
confident in manipulating those files, you should be fine. Do a backup 
before and the first 2 directories should be the 2 most important since 
they are your data and the 2 others mainly some cached data.


Hope this helps!

Best,

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On 18 May 2020, at 7:22, TJ Luoma wrote:


http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/switchup/ was an application
designed to do just that: let you run multiple separate apps as the
same user.

It's no longer in active development, but seems to work fine in
Catalina. There's a 60-day trial on its website.

The only downside is that it's no longer in active development,
although it is still for sale.
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Re: [MlMt] 2nd instance of MaiMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Randall,

   No, I was suggesting switching "profiles" between different 
MailMate opening.


Marc said that he wanted one instance handle its archive mailboxes and 
another one to its maintenance. So, I was saying to switch its data when 
he wants to do its maintenance and revert back for when he wants to do 
its normal stuff.


Therefore, that would be:

1. Run MailMate normally to do standard stuff
2. Close MailMate and move data
3. Open MailMate with new database and do the maintenance
4. Close MailMate and move back the data to return to normal stuff

Best,

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On 18 May 2020, at 19:48, Randall Gellens wrote:


You're suggesting a script that:

(1) Runs MailMate
(2) Moves key files and folders while MailMate has them open
(3) Runs MailMate for second instance

Now there are two copies of MailMate running, one using the renamed 
files/folders, relying on file system semantics to keep the instances 
operating on the correct files?


When switching between apps (e.g., cmd-tab or Dock), how would one 
distinguish between the instances? Just the appearance of the viewer 
window?


--Randall

On 18 May 2020, at 7:46, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

Before seeing TJ's email, I thought of a manual solution, but now I 
think SwitchUp may be a better solution (less risky).


However, if you want to try, you can simply create a script (or do it 
manually) that would switch between 2 sets of MailMate associated 
files (data).


In short, you would need to switch the directories/files at:

- ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
- ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
- ~/Library/Caches/com.freron.MailMate
- ~/Library/Saved Application State/com.freron.MailMate.savedState

To do that, you can move them out or rename them and MailMate will 
create a new set when it starts again. Then you can switch between 
those 2 sets and you should get what you want (if I'm not missing a 
file).


So, I would say, I won't give you any guarantee, but if you feel 
confident in manipulating those files, you should be fine. Do a 
backup before and the first 2 directories should be the 2 most 
important since they are your data and the 2 others mainly some 
cached data.


Hope this helps!

Best,

--
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On 18 May 2020, at 7:22, TJ Luoma wrote:


http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/switchup/ was an application
designed to do just that: let you run multiple separate apps as the
same user.

It's no longer in active development, but seems to work fine in
Catalina. There's a 60-day trial on its website.

The only downside is that it's no longer in active development,
although it is still for sale.
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Re: [MlMt] strikethrough

[Guillaume Barrette]

One other point...

I've seen that we may be able to change the markdown processor of 
MailMate. This is a hack, so not the best option and I don't know what 
could break (not tested on my side), but if anyone want to have some 
information.


It seems that we should be able to change the processor by change the 
`sundown` processor for inside MailMate.app bundle (at: 
`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`) and get 
the results in MailMate. For example, to switch to multimarkdown or 
something else.


Here is a post of someone who did it: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg05913.html


From what I think, you should replace the `sundown` file with for 
example the `multimarkdown` file while changing its name to `sundown` so 
MailMate catch it. I recommend to backup the `sundown` file if you want 
to try or this should be reverted on each MailMate install/update (so 
you will need to do the procedure again on each update).


So, this is not the best solution and I won't recommend it since this 
could break MailMate, but I thought I would tell in case this could help 
someone.


With that said, another feature request to Benny, it could be great to 
allow a `custom` markup syntax from the MailMate Rich Text preference so 
we can switch to another one that we prefer. And also, adding this to 
the Composer markup drop-down menu could be great to write different 
email in different markup. This could allow to switch (for example) 
between:


- Plain text
- Markdown
- MultiMarkdown
- CriticMarkup
- org-mode
- or anything else that we wish to use

I think this could open some great opportunities with MailMate :)

Or maybe we could have some "tags" to define a section of an email to be 
processed with a specific markup language. For example, see how Marked 
do it for a `Fountain` section using the [scrippet] tag 
[here](https://marked2app.com/help/Fountain_for_Screenwriters.html)


Best,

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On 13 May 2020, at 8:50, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

Sorry, correcting last email, the default shortcut for strikethrough 
is CMD+SHIFT+X`


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On 13 May 2020, at 8:48, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

  First, MailMate has a s̶t̶r̶i̶k̶e̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ 
feature, but it seems it's not based on markdown, but on ASCII 
character. Which is great for people who want to read the plain text 
version of the email and don't know the markdown way of 
strikethrough.


You can find this feature in the menubar at: `Format > Strikethrough` 
or CMD+X by default I think


Regarding the markdown processor, from what I've seen, MailMate uses 
`sundown`. You can find the processor at:


`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`

However, I don't know if Benny customized it for MailMate.

One thing worth noting, from the sundown GitHub page, we can see that 
is fully standard compliant, but has optional support for several 
non-standard Markdown extensions like:


- non-strict emphasis
- fenced code blocks
- tables
- autolinks
- strikethrough
- and more...

So, maybe the strikethrough extension is simply not activated by 
Benny? Maybe it would be great to activate this option from sundown 
(I'm asking Benny here as a feature request ;) )?


Another point regarding aisrael question, that made me think of 
[CriticMarkup](http://criticmarkup.com). Maybe it would be great to 
add CriticMarkup as an extension like we have for the Math language 
or Highlight code feature or as a bundle (if possible)


Best,

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On 13 May 2020, at 8:29, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 13 May 2020, at 14:19, Bryce Wray wrote:

Ah, you are absolutely correct, sir. My mistake. As a Multi-MD fan 
myself, wish it were an option. Maybe someday…


Two things:
* the documentation should detail what is supported (and possibly 
what isn't supported)
* if we knew which library was being used we might be able to see if 
it can be fixed upstream


But basically, MailMate falls down frequently because of inadequate 
documentation. It would be nice to "open source" the documentation 
at least so that some power users could contribute to it. That said, 
I fully understand that even just setting up a dedicated (sub?) repo 
for this would be work.


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Tracy,

  Thanks for your reply, this is greatly appreciated!

Yes, I understand around 200,000 emails may be quite a lot and no I 
don't need all of them instantly and yes I was thinking of doing 
something to reduce that (backup + moving emails to submailboxes that 
would be unsubscribed). However, I saw some other mentions of people 
having 200,000 or 250,000 or even 500,000 emails in MailMate, so I was 
wondering if my count was that high before making the move.


On my side, I don't find MailMate really slow with that amount of 
emails, it's really regarding the bandwidth + disk space + RAM. I know 
the disk space + RAM would shrink by having fewer emails, but was 
wondering if the bandwidth would be the same since the only emails that 
are touched are the recent ones, so does removing the old ones will 
really reduce the bandwidth or it is simply how it works and if so I'll 
need to find a way around (maybe raising the delay for the 
Synchronization Schedule of most mailboxes will help or creating a 
script to toggle the Online/Offline state of the mailboxes could 
help...)


With other email clients I wasn't synchronizing all those years for all 
my email accounts since there was a feature to only synchronize X 
months, but I like MailMate and I'm sure I'll find a way to put things 
in a shape that I like, but I was wondering regarding the different 
options that I could approach those points before making a big move.


With that said, thanks for giving an insight on your workflow and 
mentioning MailSteward and Horcrux (I didn't know this last one), I may 
go for one of them.


Thanks for your help,

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On 9 May 2020, at 13:31, Tracy Valleau wrote:


Hello,

Do you really need 200,000 emails to be instantly available to you, or 
are you using 99% of that just to store old emails?


If the latter, then you could inprove your situation immensely by 
using an email archiver, such as Horcrux, or (my preferred) 
MailSteward (which I have been using for well over a decade.)


These will move your emails into a database, and allow you to remove 
them from your server (ie: delete them).


I filter out my spam first, and then use MailSteward to archive the 
rest. It has never failed me, and is quite fast at finding emails. My 
collection goes back to 1993.


You can use either the SQLite version, or the MySQL version. I used 
MySQL for a very long time, and then realized that I really never 
referred to 20-year old emails, so I put them into a SQLite table, and 
saved it out separately. I can load it in if I ever need to find an 
old email, and now I keep only the past 6 or so years active in 
MailSteward at any one time. My own copy of MailMail usually runs a 
total < 50 active emails, so it is lightning fast, and resource light. 
If I really need to see an old email, I just run MailSteward and look 
it up. In practice, I may do that twice a week or so.


Note that this works because while I have probably 30 email addresses 
on my server (I'm a developer), I have them all forward to a single 
mailbox. I did that originally because that way I only needed one 
email account in MailMate (the account everything is forwarded to) and 
MM can still filter everything based on the original address a given 
email was sent to. MUCH more efficient than checking 30 different 
accounts from my computer!


AND, that in turn allows me to use MailSteward, which is designed for 
Apple Mail, but conveniently has a "also collect emails from this 
folder" which I have filled with my local storage: 
"file:///Users/tracyv/Library/Application%20Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/tracy%2540mymail@mail.mymail.org/INBOX.mailbox/dreamhost.mailbox/"


Upshot? I have every non-spam email I've received for the past 27 
years, and I can find any given one of them almost instantly.


Works for me, but of course YMMV.

HTH


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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hey Alexandre,

   Let me know what you found out on your side! It would be great to 
see if it's my setup the problem.


To give you some tips, open the Activity Monitor and go into the Network 
Tab. Keep the application open on this state or the bandwidth will reset 
to 0. You can filter to MailMate


Or you can use the Terminal.app and run: nettop
There you can scroll to see MailMate and see its bytes_in for the 
download.


Best,

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On 9 May 2020, at 10:49, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 9 May 2020, at 16:45, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Thanks anyone for any cues and help!


I'm afraid I don't have anything actionable but I will have a closer 
look to MM and bandwidth usage. I have always felt (and complained) 
that MM was a resource hog but never actually took the time to get 
into taking measurements. Let's do this...



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Re: [MlMt] Easy way to auto-expand a thread

[Guillaume Barrette]

Still not automatically, but if your parent message is selected you can 
press the right arrow on your keyboard to expand the thread and left to 
collapse and if you hold the "ALT" key then all the contained threads 
will expand/collapse.


Also, it's the same behaviour when you click on the triangle to 
expand/collapse the thread. I mean, when you hold "ALT" while clicking 
on the triangle then all the contained threads will expand/collapse.


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On 3 Sep 2020, at 15:54, Antonio Leding wrote:


BRILLIANT…thank you…

Really finding this app to be far far superior to other mail 
clients…





On 3 Sep 2020, at 12:53, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 3 Sep 2020, at 15:15, Antonio Leding wrote:


[is] there is any way to auto-expand a given message thread?


I assume by “auto” you mean “in response to a single user 
action”?


I have this in a custom keybindings file:

"[" = "expandThread:";
"]" = "collapseThread:";

Hope this helps.
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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Guillaume Barrette]

There was a discussion on this subject not too long ago...

You can read it here: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg12455.html


Also, Bryce did an article on this subject with some inputs from 
MailMate's community member from the thread above: 
https://brycewray.com/posts/2020/05/battle-ios-email-heavyweights/


I think this would give you some good inputs!

Best

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On 3 Sep 2020, at 22:04, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hello all,

I know this is a bit off-topic but due to the plethora of knowledge 
and talent in this user community, I think this is a great place to 
ask the following…


First off, I predict Mailmate users who happen to also use iOS-powered 
mobile devices would want to avoid using Apple’s iOS mail client.


On that note, the two apps I found are Preside and AltaMail.  In 
looking at both, I much prefer Preside but would like to know any 
thoughts you all might have.


Thanks in advance for any feedback…
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Re: [MlMt] Send and Archive

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Evan,

I'm not using this feature on my side, so I can't comment on if 
it's working or not, but I can see the "Send And Archive" icon on my 
side. You can add it to your toolbar of your Message window, by first 
opening a message window (File > New Message) and then doing a secondary 
click on the toolbar, select "Customize Toolbar..." and there you will 
see the button that you can drag to your toolbar (it should be the 
second one).


Hope this helps!

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On 28 May 2020, at 14:18, Evan Silberman wrote:

I wanted to know if MailMate has a “Send and Archive” button. I 
saw a thread on the mailing list form 2017 and someone suggested you 
could add it to the tool bar, but I don’t see it anymore.


Is this feature still available? I’ve even tried the Gmail keyboard 
command to no avail.



Evan Silberman
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Re: [MlMt] Quote only selected text in reply?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Bob,

   My MailMate wasn't also set to include selected text (I was always 
getting the full content). I checked the `Only include selected text` 
checkbox at the top of the the `Preferences -> Composer` section.


Best,

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On 27 Dec 2020, at 23:55, Bob Stern via mailmate wrote:

When you reply to a message in which you have selected some text, most 
email clients will quote in the reply only the selected text rather 
than the entire message.  Can MailMate be configured to do that?  
(r5757)


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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Maybe this is related to the Beta version? Everything is fine on my side 
on macOS Mojave using MailMate Version 1.13.2 (5673)


Best,

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On 5 Jan 2021, at 11:14, Seamus Phillips wrote:


I also have this issues with the icons, but I’m running Mojave.

Seamus

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On 5 Jan 2021, at 15:37, Shoshanna Green  
wrote:


Hm -- could the fact that I do not see a URL displayed when I 
hover over a link in a message be related to the fact that I also 
don't see any icons for the Preferences tabs? See 
https://imgur.com/OeBLfm8 -- each tab is available and has its text 
label, but is missing the icon that I presume ought to appear above 
the text.



On 31 Dec 2020, at 11:00, Shoshanna Green wrote:

A reasonable question, but no, I'm not.

Glenn's message, which just arrived, reminds me that I should add 
that I'm running MailMate 5757 under High Sierra 10.13.6. Maybe the 
lack of URL popups is due to my OS being behind the times?



On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

Hi,

   Just an idea, may not be related since I don't know exactly how 
this popup is coded, but are you using a custom stylesheet for your 
email viewer? Maybe this could interfere with the popup


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On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:12, Shoshanna Green wrote:


Huh -- I'm on 5757 and I'm not seeing it, and haven't for ages. 
I'm talking not about links where the URL is explicitly shown in 
the message text, as in Guillaume's message, but about encoded 
text links, such as in daily news summaries from newspapers: the 
text says "More Things Are Terrible, Say Sources" and clicking it 
will take me to an article on the paper's website. Encoded links 
like those show no popup URLs for me; hovering over them does 
nothing.


I restart MailMate at least daily, and I just tried turning my VPN 
off and restarting MM again, in case that was the problem (even 
though I had already set MM to bypass the VPN, because it causes 
SMTP problems in sending mail). No joy. Is there something else 
that could be blocking this? I can't see anything in the 
preferences...


Shoshanna

On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:02, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Working as well on my side in the non-beta MM version: 5673

Have you tried a restart of MailMate and see if this comes back?

From here, I see that MM doesn't show it if the address displayed 
is the same as the actual one, maybe that what you're seeing?


https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-September/006940.html

Hope this help!

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 9:56, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,

I really miss being able to hover over a link in an email and 
see where it would send me. Might that feature return?


Seems to be working fine here in 5757 …

Cheers
Ian



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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Working as well on my side in the non-beta MM version: 5673

Have you tried a restart of MailMate and see if this comes back?

From here, I see that MM doesn't show it if the address displayed is 
the same as the actual one, maybe that what you're seeing?


https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-September/006940.html

Hope this help!

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 9:56, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,

I really miss being able to hover over a link in an email and see 
where it would send me. Might that feature return?


Seems to be working fine here in 5757 …

Cheers
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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

   Just an idea, may not be related since I don't know exactly how 
this popup is coded, but are you using a custom stylesheet for your 
email viewer? Maybe this could interfere with the popup


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On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:12, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Huh -- I'm on 5757 and I'm not seeing it, and haven't for ages. I'm 
talking not about links where the URL is explicitly shown in the 
message text, as in Guillaume's message, but about encoded text links, 
such as in daily news summaries from newspapers: the text says "More 
Things Are Terrible, Say Sources" and clicking it will take me to an 
article on the paper's website. Encoded links like those show no popup 
URLs for me; hovering over them does nothing.


I restart MailMate at least daily, and I just tried turning my VPN off 
and restarting MM again, in case that was the problem (even though I 
had already set MM to bypass the VPN, because it causes SMTP problems 
in sending mail). No joy. Is there something else that could be 
blocking this? I can't see anything in the preferences...


Shoshanna

On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:02, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Working as well on my side in the non-beta MM version: 5673

Have you tried a restart of MailMate and see if this comes back?

From here, I see that MM doesn't show it if the address displayed is 
the same as the actual one, maybe that what you're seeing?


https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-September/006940.html

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 9:56, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,

I really miss being able to hover over a link in an email and see 
where it would send me. Might that feature return?


Seems to be working fine here in 5757 …

Cheers
Ian



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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Guillaume Barrette]

To give more info to find the cause of the bug.

I'm on macOS Mojave (10.14.6) and, as said, working on my side

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 12:10, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,


Maybe the lack of URL popups is due to my OS being behind the times?


That’s a distinct possibility. I’m on 5757 on Big Sur. No doubt 
Benny would know …


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Re: [MlMt] Skull  emoji in the From header

[Guillaume Barrette]

Thanks Glenn!

   I won't disable the feature, but I'm also in favour to change the 
skull head to something else. I was also thinking yesterday that a ＠ 
emoji would be better, but I'm not sure it would be visible enough, so 
I'll be in favour to make it customizable so anyone can choose their 
preferred one or maybe a red ＠ would be great!


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On 31 Jan 2021, at 11:46, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 30 Jan 2021, at 20:32, m...@rhp.tw wrote:

Thank you everyone for the answers. Now that I know the reason, I 
think it is a great feature.


FYI if you change your mind about this feature, you can disable it 
with the following command from a Terminal:


 defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmNospoofSymbolDisabled -bool 
YES


I found it distracting to always have a screen full of skulls because 
of the way my mailing lists presents senders’ addresses. Not every 
day is Halloween!  Some other more subtle symbol (say the ꩜ 
emoji) would work better.


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Re: [MlMt] Skull  emoji in the From header

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

  Actually it's a MailMate feature:

```
Whenever the name part of an address header contains a @ then it’s 
replaced with a skull (). That should at least make the user aware 
of simple attempts to spoof an address header.

```

Reference: https://blog.freron.com/2017/email-spoofing/

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On 30 Jan 2021, at 16:38, m...@rhp.tw wrote:

Sometimes I will receive an email that have the skull emoji () in 
the **From** header.  At first I thought this might be due to some 
autocorrect/auto-substitution that is enabled on my computer  (like 
turning a smiley emoticon to an emoji), but that does not seem to be 
the case. I also looked at the raw message of the emails  and  didn't 
see anything unusual. Both these messages were downloaded from Gmail 
and when I look there the skull isn't present. How is this happening?


Here is an example message from Citibank/Best Buy
 
The **From** header is "bestbuyc...@info.accountonline.com" 
<>


![](cid:C93864B4-EFB7-4452-B0DA-F9456F97E229@rhp.tw "Screenshot.jpg")
 
This one is from CardPointers: "Emmanuel @ CardPointers" 
 


![](cid:520D4413-5503-47E8-AF3B-032DCCE36B38@rhp.tw "Screenshot2.png")

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Re: [MlMt] 'emate' does not support Markdown?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Tj,

   You need to add `--header "#markup: markdown"` to the emate arguments

Best,

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On 2 Feb 2021, at 9:13, TJ Luoma wrote:

> I have been trying to start to use
>
> /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Resources/emate
>
> in conjunction with some scripts. So far it works very well, with one
> fairly glaring problem:
>
> When I create a new message with `emate` it is created as a "plain text"
> message, even if MailMate itself is set to default to "Markdown" for new
> messages.
>
> 1. Is there a way to change that behavior?
>
> 2. Other than clicking the "Plain Text / Markdown" just above the "From"
> line, is there a way (preferably a menu bar item or keyboard shortcut) to
> set a message to "Markdown"?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [MlMt] BusyCal bundle not working

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Sam,

   Just popping here to let you know that on my side the BusyCal 
bundle works. I'm using macOS Mojave 10.14.6, so maybe the problem is 
caused because of macOS 11...


Are you sure you have selected a message before action the menu item? I 
mean, on my side it works when I have a message selected and have the 
focus, if not, then nothing happens.


Best,

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On 23 May 2021, at 9:40, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 May 2021, at 0:05, Sam Hathaway wrote:


When I select Commands > BusyCal > Create Event…, nothing happens.

I’m running MailMate r5798 and BusyCal 3.12.6.1 on macOS 11.3.1. 
This might have started when I upgraded to Big Sur.


I could’ve sworn I saw this come across the mailing list a few 
months ago, but I can’t find it in my archive so here we go. Maybe 
it had something to do with permissions?


I believe BusyCal support is based on a URL scheme. I haven't tested 
it in a while though (not installed on my machine right now). The URL 
scheme is described 
[here](https://support.busymac.com/help/70621-url-handler). You can 
try to see if it works when you do it in a Terminal window similar to 
this:


open "busycalevent://new/..."

If that doesn't work then it won't work when MailMate tries it either.

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Re: [MlMt] How to get the "URL" to a message?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

   You mean the URL to the message we get by using the "Edit > Copy 
as Link" menu item or CMD+ALT+SHIFT+C shortcut?


Best,

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On 8 Jul 2021, at 8:59, Edward Thome wrote:


On 8 Jul 2021, at 7:37, leo wrote:


Hi there

MailMate support the `message://` protocol to open a
message from the outside of MailMate.

But how do I get the full URL like 
`message://%3cWNTT.AvO4CwpyDv8Q~fovGnwC~yDAwakqVhb~yoshWDj~PP~o.1625618369.5i3ci...@webph04.int.wightpowtech.com%3e` 
to a given message?




This is not sophisticated, but if you use the Command Bundle for 
Reminders.app, the address & link back to the message can be found in 
Reminders.
I had thought that the Command Bundle “Copy (Email) Link” would 
grab it automatically, but the bundle doesn’t seem to do anything 
for me.


Usually not sophisticated,
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Re: [MlMt] Make emate-generated email default to Markdown

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Brett,

   To use Markdown, you need to add `--header "#markup: markdown"` to 
the emate arguments


Best,

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On 1 May 2021, at 13:11, Brett Terpstra wrote:

If I create an email within MailMate, it always defaults to Markdown 
in the composer. But if it’s created using the `emate` tool (and not 
sent immediately), the composer defaults to plain text. Is it possible 
to tell MailMate to assume Markdown with emate (and mailto: links) by 
default, or (failing that) is there an argument/parameter that could 
force it?


-Brett

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[MlMt] Problem updating a ticket: marked as spam

[Guillaume Barrette]

I just tried to update one of my tickets to add more comments and 
thought to try to set Benny on the right track to fix it since it's one 
of the things that interfere the most with my workflow when using 
MailMate, but when I sent the comment it was marked as spam...


So, is it something that happens often? Is it because my comment is 
long? Or something else?


I think it will be useful to Benny, so I don't want it to disappear and 
not get to its attention...


So I'm writing it down here below just to make sure it gets somewhere...

To let people know, this is related to this ticket regarding on 
switching one tag to another:

https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/2396-problem-to-add-remove-a-tag-in-one-shot

So if anyone as an idea how to fix it, I'll be happy to found out! :)

Best!

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---

Hi, I was looking at this again this morning since this is one thing 
that interferes the most with my workflow. I saw another ticket that was 
related to this one and which I think is basically the same problem.


Here is the other ticket if you want to link them:
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2657-tags-do-not-work-when-attempting-multiple-tagging-actions-simultaneously

The problem seems to be that the actions to set tags don't update 
correctly. I mean, I having this problem when I try to set/change tags 
from the menubar tags buttons, but it works when I manually change the 
tags from the text field we get when invoking: `Message -> Tag -> Edits 
tags`


I tried to switch to the latest beta version and it was the same, so I 
now reverted to the standard version.


I watched the "Activity Viewer" and I watched both methods (1: by 
switching a tag from one to another as explained in my ticket; 2: by 
using the "Edit tags" text field)


While watching, it seems that MailMate doesn't set correctly the 
'enable' and 'disable' flags when doing the operation with an action. I 
mean, only one field is set when invoked by an action, but both fields 
are set when I manually change a tag to another by using the Edit tags 
text field.


For example:

Activity sent when I set a first tag using my action (I set the tag 
'ToDo'):


```
16:10:37 Trying to terminate connection...
16:10:37 S: <<< terminated reading >>>
16:10:37 Response after idling (900/900): terminated (10)
16:10:37 C: DONE
16:10:37 S: S137 OK IDLE terminated (Success)
16:10:37 Completed IDLE (4). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8

16:10:37 Handling reply
16:10:37 Running action
16:10:37 Sending request (46)
16:10:37 Handling request
16:10:37 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
16:10:37 C: H138 NOOP
16:10:37 S: H138 OK Success
16:10:37 Storing flags (enable: 'ToDo', disable: '')
16:10:37 C: H139 UID STORE 25591 +FLAGS.SILENT (ToDo)
16:10:37 S: * 24391 FETCH (UID 25591 MODSEQ (5457377) FLAGS (Important 
ToDo \Flagged \Seen))

16:10:37 S: H139 OK Success
16:10:37 C: H140 UID FETCH 25591 (FLAGS)
16:10:37 S: * 24391 FETCH (UID 25591 MODSEQ (5457377) FLAGS (Important 
ToDo \Flagged \Seen))

16:10:37 S: H140 OK Success
16:10:37 C: H141 UID STORE 25591 +X-GM-LABELS.SILENT ("[Airmail]/To Do")
16:10:37 S: H141 OK Success
16:10:37 C: H142 UID FETCH 25591 (X-GM-LABELS)
16:10:37 S: * 24391 FETCH (X-GM-LABELS ("[Airmail]/To Do" "\\Important" 
"\\Starred") UID 25591 MODSEQ (5457381))

16:10:37 S: H142 OK Success
16:10:37 Completed action (1007). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8

16:10:37 Handling reply
16:10:37 Running action
16:10:37 Sending request (36)
16:10:37 Handling request
16:10:37 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
16:10:37 C: S143 NOOP
16:10:38 S: S143 OK Success
16:10:38 Running IDLE (still alive checks every 15 minutes)
16:10:38 C: S144 IDLE
16:10:38 S: + idling
```


We can see the "Storing flags (enable: 'ToDo', disable: '')" is correct 
here since I'm just adding



Then I switch the 'ToDo' tag to 'Done' by doing an action like:

```python
#!/usr/bin/python
import json

actions = { 'actions': [
#{ 'type': 'changeFlags', 'enable': [ 'Done' ], 'disable': [ 'ToDo', 
'Someday' ] },
{ 'type': 'changeFlags', 'enable': [ 'Done' ], 'disable': [ 'ToDo', 
'Someday' ] }

] }
print json.dumps(actions)
```

and now the activity is:

```
16:13:46 Trying to terminate connection...
16:13:46 Response after idling (900/900): terminated (10)
16:13:46 C: DONE
16:13:46 S: S150 OK IDLE terminated (Success)
16:13:46 Completed IDLE (4). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8

16:13:46 Handling reply
16:13:46 Running action
16:13:46 Sending request (23)
16:13:46 Handling request
16:13:46 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
16:13:46 C: H151 NOOP
16:13:46 S: H151 OK Success
16:13:46 Storing flags (enable: 'Done', disable: '')
16:13:46 C: H152 UID STORE 25591 +FLAGS.SILENT (Done)
16:13:46 S: * 24391 FETCH (UID 25591 MODSEQ (5457450) FLAGS (Done 
Important ToDo \Flagged \Seen))

16:13:46 S: H152 OK Success
16:13:46 C: H153 UID FETCH 25591 (FLAGS)
16:13:46 S: * 24391 FETCH (UID 25591 MODSEQ (5457450) 

Re: [MlMt] 'emate' does not support Markdown?

[Guillaume Barrette]

It's the command line interface for MailMate. You can find the 
information on what it is and how to use it here:


https://manual.mailmate-app.com/emate

Best,

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On 2 Feb 2021, at 16:56, m...@rhp.tw wrote:


What's emate and how do you use it?



On Tue Feb 02, 2021 at 08:31 AM, TJ Luoma wrote:

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:22 AM Guillaume Barrette 


wrote:

   You need to add --header "#markup: markdown" to the emate 
arguments




THANK YOU! That works perfectly.

I wish that information was included when you run
'/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Resources/emate --help' but I 
will make a note of it now.


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Re: [MlMt] hover over link to view it?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Before deleting your preferences at `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/` I would backup those files. As a workaround myself I 
often simply change the name of the directory in the Application Support 
directory so the application doesn't see it. Ex: Change "MailMate" 
directory to "MailMate-backup"


As for the icons missing in the preferences. I think I saw this 
behaviour when I briefly tested the MailMate beta. I then moved back to 
the standard version and everything is fine there. I'll have a look 
later and see if it's still the case, but myself I'm on the standard 
version: Version 1.13.2 (5673)


Best,

--
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On 17 Mar 2021, at 9:50, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Sounds like there might be corruption in the application's internal 
resources on your system.  Have you tried the "nuclear" option?  
Delete the app, as well as the entire contents of your 
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ directory (saving any manual 
customizations you might have made in there), and re-install.


I expect you'll lose things like any smart mailboxes you have 
configured, tags you have applied to messages (depending if your IMAP 
server supports preserving client-side MAP keywords), etc.  Perhaps 
others have tricks to preserve those...


-Eric

On 17 Mar 2021, at 9:38, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Thanks to Eric's comment in another thread, I've discovered why I 
hadn't seen any updates in months, and have updated to 5777 (under 
10.13.6 High Sierra) -- but I still do not see URLs pop up when I 
hover over a link, and I still do not see icons in the Preferences 
tabs. The latter is a minor annoyance, but the former is a major one; 
can anyone help me debug this? Please?


On 25 Jan 2021, at 15:32, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm bumping this in hopes of new ideas, and maybe Benny chiming in: 
I'm running 5757 under High Sierra 10.13.6 and I have no idea why I 
don't see URL popups when I hover the mouse over a link in a 
message, but I sure wish I did!


On 5 Jan 2021, at 10:37, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Hm -- could the fact that I do not see a URL displayed when I hover 
over a link in a message be related to the fact that I also don't 
see any icons for the Preferences tabs? See 
https://imgur.com/OeBLfm8 -- each tab is available and has its text 
label, but is missing the icon that I presume ought to appear above 
the text.


On 31 Dec 2020, at 11:00, Shoshanna Green wrote:


A reasonable question, but no, I'm not.

Glenn's message, which just arrived, reminds me that I should add 
that I'm running MailMate 5757 under High Sierra 10.13.6. Maybe 
the lack of URL popups is due to my OS being behind the times?


On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

   Just an idea, may not be related since I don't know exactly 
how this popup is coded, but are you using a custom stylesheet 
for your email viewer? Maybe this could interfere with the popup


--
Guillaume

On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:12, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Huh -- I'm on 5757 and I'm not seeing it, and haven't for ages. 
I'm talking not about links where the URL is explicitly shown in 
the message text, as in Guillaume's message, but about encoded 
text links, such as in daily news summaries from newspapers: the 
text says "More Things Are Terrible, Say Sources" and clicking 
it will take me to an article on the paper's website. Encoded 
links like those show no popup URLs for me; hovering over them 
does nothing.


I restart MailMate at least daily, and I just tried turning my 
VPN off and restarting MM again, in case that was the problem 
(even though I had already set MM to bypass the VPN, because it 
causes SMTP problems in sending mail). No joy. Is there 
something else that could be blocking this? I can't see anything 
in the preferences...


Shoshanna

On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:02, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Working as well on my side in the non-beta MM version: 5673

Have you tried a restart of MailMate and see if this comes 
back?


From here, I see that MM doesn't show it if the address 
displayed is the same as the actual one, maybe that what you're 
seeing?


https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-September/006940.html

Hope this help!

--
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On 31 Dec 2020, at 9:56, Ian Petersen wrote:


Shoshanna,

I really miss being able to hover over a link in an email and 
see where it would send me. Might that feature return?


Seems to be working fine here in 5757 …

Cheers
Ian


Shoshanna Green (she/her)
shoshan...@gmail.com



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Re: [MlMt] Default to plaintext outgoing messages?

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Randy,

   If you go into MailMate at `Preferences -> Composer -> Rich Text 
(HTML)` and set the `Markup syntax` to `None` you should now have your 
New Message set to `Plain text` by default instead of `Markdown`.


Best,

--
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On 22 Feb 2021, at 20:09, Randall Meadows wrote:

I often write *plaintext* messages that include Markdown-ish syntax in 
them, but I don't want actual Markdown styling applied to the outgoing 
message.  Like the fourth word in the first sentence.


How do I get Mailmate to *default* to my outgoing messages being 
plaintext instead of Markdown?



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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi all,

  To give some more solutions... you can also use a text expansion 
utility for that (Typinator, aText, TextExpander, Alfred, ...). For 
example, I'm using Typinator and by typing 'vv' I'm getting my clipboard 
in plain text.


However, if you prefer to simply use MailMate, I've built a Bundle that 
should do the same thing as those applications, but invoked directly 
from MailMate.


You can download it here: https://d.pr/f/U3oOv1

I have created two commands:

1. **Paste as plain text**: Which change your clipboard content to plain 
text and paste it to the front window
2. **Paste by typing**: Same thing, but doesn't change the content of 
the clipboard, it will type it as if you manually type the content


While creating them, I have added some keyboard shortcuts, but I'm not 
sure if it's a bug from MailMate, but on my side they are only invoked 
if I open the "Command > Paste (Extra)" menu item... If anyone tries it, 
maybe you can get back and let me know if the shortcuts work correctly 
on your side


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 6 Feb 2021, at 7:21, Tobias Jung wrote:


On 6 Feb 2021, at 4:22, Alex Abdo wrote:


If you use Alfred (a great replacement for Spotlight


… among *many* others features)

, it also manages your clipboard for you and allows you to paste very 
easily without formatting. You use option-command C to pull up 
Alfred’s clipboard list, and then select which of your recent 
clipboard items you want to paste, and hit enter.


Or you set up a hotkey to "paste as plain text" as shown here:


The downside is, you need to buy the "Powerpack" (£29 ≈ €33 ≈ 
US$40) in order to use this functions.
In my opinion, it’s absolutely worth it but I think this should be 
mentioned.
(I assure you I’m in no way connected to the vendors of the 
application, nor do I receive any benefits for praising it, I’m just 
a satisfied user.)


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi Alain,

   This differ from the behaviour that I'm describing since you are 
not using my commands, but the standard MailMate paste action (Cmd+v). 
To use mine you should select it from the menubar at "Command -> Paste 
(Extra) -> select the action that you want) or use the shortcut that I 
set (Cmd+Alt+Shift+V pr Cmd+Ctrl+Shift+V), but the shortcuts doesn't 
seem to work great on my side, so you may prefer to set them from the 
macOS standard shortcuts preference or change them in the Bundle


Best,

--
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On 7 Feb 2021, at 7:08, aisrael wrote:

I have installed the bundle, re-started Mailmate, and unexpectedly I 
don’t need any new keyboard shortcut : when I paste (command-V) a 
text form MS Word, it now appears as plain text, which is perfect for 
me, but seems to differ from the behaviour you describe.


Alain

On 6 Feb 2021, at 20:03, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi all,

  To give some more solutions... you can also use a text expansion 
utility for that (Typinator, aText, TextExpander, Alfred, ...). For 
example, I'm using Typinator and by typing 'vv' I'm getting my 
clipboard in plain text.


However, if you prefer to simply use MailMate, I've built a Bundle 
that should do the same thing as those applications, but invoked 
directly from MailMate.


You can download it here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://d.pr/f/U3oOv1__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6DvbqwNS78G6V9FsGT8iDtkKGYknimuYdeV1PMY9jcsf9H1MMyHwSk9Nav7ta2k0$

I have created two commands:

1. **Paste as plain text**: Which change your clipboard content to 
plain text and paste it to the front window
2. **Paste by typing**: Same thing, but doesn't change the content of 
the clipboard, it will type it as if you manually type the content


While creating them, I have added some keyboard shortcuts, but I'm 
not sure if it's a bug from MailMate, but on my side they are only 
invoked if I open the "Command > Paste (Extra)" menu item... If 
anyone tries it, maybe you can get back and let me know if the 
shortcuts work correctly on your side


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 6 Feb 2021, at 7:21, Tobias Jung wrote:


On 6 Feb 2021, at 4:22, Alex Abdo wrote:


If you use Alfred (a great replacement for Spotlight


… among *many* others features)

, it also manages your clipboard for you and allows you to paste 
very easily without formatting. You use option-command C to pull up 
Alfred’s clipboard list, and then select which of your recent 
clipboard items you want to paste, and hit enter.


Or you set up a hotkey to "paste as plain text" as shown here:
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.alfredapp.com/blog/tips-and-tricks/4-tips-to-make-the-most-of-clipboard-history/__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6DvbqwNS78G6V9FsGT8iDtkKGYknimuYdeV1PMY9jcsf9H1MMyHwSk9Nag_XnCKv$ 
>


The downside is, you need to buy the "Powerpack" (£29 ≈ €33 ≈ 
US$40) in order to use this functions.
In my opinion, it’s absolutely worth it but I think this should be 
mentioned.
(I assure you I’m in no way connected to the vendors of the 
application, nor do I receive any benefits for praising it, I’m 
just a satisfied user.)


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

[Guillaume Barrette]

Hi,

  Thanks for confirming it's working! So it may be a bug on my 
MailMate version (using the 5673) or because of my os version (macOS 
Mojave 10.14.6).


And yes, there are good chances it asks to give permission to 
"Accessibility" since I'm using AppleScript to simulate user’s actions 
(ex: paste the clipboard content or keypress the clipboard content)


Best,

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On 7 Feb 2021, at 9:52, m...@rhp.tw wrote:


Guillaume,

The keyboard shortcut for the bundle works for me. I am on BigSur,  
build 5757. I  was prompted to give MailMate access to "Accessibility" 
(Security & Privacy) when I tried to use the bundle the first time.




On Sat Feb 06, 2021 at 01:03 PM, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi all,

  To give some more solutions... you can also use a text expansion 
utility for that (Typinator, aText, TextExpander, Alfred, ...). For 
example, I'm using Typinator and by typing 'vv' I'm getting my 
clipboard in plain text.


However, if you prefer to simply use MailMate, I've built a Bundle 
that should do the same thing as those applications, but invoked 
directly from MailMate.



You can download it here: https://d.pr/f/U3oOv1



I have created two commands:


1. **Paste as plain text**: Which change your clipboard content to 
plain text and paste it to the front window
2. **Paste by typing**: Same thing, but doesn't change the content of 
the clipboard, it will type it as if you manually type the content


While creating them, I have added some keyboard shortcuts, but I'm 
not sure if it's a bug from MailMate, but on my side they are only 
invoked if I open the "Command > Paste (Extra)" menu item... If 
anyone tries it, maybe you can get back and let me know if the 
shortcuts work correctly on your side



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Re: [MlMt] UUIDs for Command > MailMate

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Hi,

   Look inside the MailMate application bundle at: 
"/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/MailMate.mmBundle/Commands/"


You will see all the built-in MailMate commands. Just open the 
".mmCommand" file that you want into a text editor and you will be able 
to see the specific uuid


As for your specific one "Copy Sender Addresses":

- uuid = "83B3CA37-CA7C-46A4-9B1B-1C50BCB21DBC";

Best,

--
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my query in the archive. I'm hoping that someone can help me.


I'm trying to find the UUIDs for the commands in the Command > 
MailMate menu (e.g. "Copy Sender Addresses") and can't find them.


I am using them with the `performBundleItemWithUUID` function in 
AppleScript. I was able to find the UUIDs for other bundles in their 
respective plist files but I'm not sure where the MailMate ones would 
be.


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Re: [MlMt] Histogram

[Guillaume Barrette]

Dear Andrew,

   I think you switched your View Layout to the "Statistics" view. To 
switch back, simply go into your menubar at "View -> Layout -> Select 
the one that you want". From your message I would guess you were using 
the "Three Pane" layout, but you can try the other one and see which one 
fit the best for your workflow.


Best,

--
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On 6 Jan 2022, at 21:40, Andrew Buc wrote:

I must have done something to make MM start displaying the attached 
histogram in the lower pane, but what, and how do I put it back the 
way it was? By the way it was, I mean that if I highlighted a given 
email, I’d see a preview of it in the lower pane. Running r5673 
under OS X 10.13.6. Thanks.


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