Re: [libreoffice-marketing] is there a file for this poster?
I was thinking that since it was a LO poster for a LO table fest, it would be nice if the file used to create the poster would be shared. I have no trouble creating a poster for things I am dealing with, but there are some North American events coming soon, with April 28-29 being the LinuxFest Northwest 2012. I bet they could use as many marketing poster ideas as we can provide them. I know that locally the 6 foot by 30 inch LibreOffice banner cost about $75, and the one shown in the linked photo would be about half that [hopefully]. I know the price of that 6 foot banner since I am working on a design for a local organization and we were quoted that if we provide the PDF file. It would be nice to share the files [in standard formats] so every region that has these shows where LO could get a booth/table, can have similar materials, posters, banners, etc., for their use. I have asked on the website list about how to get a 3.4.5 DVD label design shown there. I think if the designers of the labels, brochures, fliers, posters, banners, and other marketing items shared their creations, we would have a large marketing resource. I would really like to see a tri-fold brochure, or flier, that was geared towards the school and university students. Get them while they are young. Get schools to look at LO as an alternative to buying MSO for all their systems. Give the parents an option instead of buying MSO for their kid's laptops when they send them on to the colleges and universities. The more marketing materials we have to access locally, the better we can be. Yes Drew, I most likely could make a version of the poster in the photo, if I could read the text and use some translation package to see what it saids, but it would be better to just download it from our marketing pages. On 03/14/2012 02:27 PM, drew jensen wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 10:24 -0400, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Is there any place where we could get copy of this type of poster, shown in the image listed in the below link? Likely not - well, of course there could be, but likely not that you will ever get your hands on. If you really like though, it could be reproduced in English and using FOSS tools, in an standard format, and shared with the full community. Shall we? //drew http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/thumb/1/11/Grazer_Linuxtage_2011_001.jpg/400px-Grazer_Linuxtage_2011_001.jpg I was thinking that it looks great, and would be nice to have something like this for the English fests coming up this year. Having it in English, instead of needing to take the SVG file and editing it, would be helpful. We need as many marketing posters and stuff as possible for the North American shows ands fests. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] is there a file for this poster?
Thanks I did not see it before. Now I just have to translate it. On 03/14/2012 03:32 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, cc to the german list as it is about a german poster... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Tim Lungstromtimo...@lungstrom.com wrote: Is there any place where we could get copy of this type of poster, shown in the image listed in the below link? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/thumb/1/11/Grazer_Linuxtage_2011_001.jpg/400px-Grazer_Linuxtage_2011_001.jpg The poster can be found here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Posters (page is pretty empty, people apparently don't know this place and don't add the created posters there - too bad...) Probably Thomas Krumbein, who usually finalizes the proposals for professional printing still has the source around/knows where to look for it - Not sure whether there is a svg source or just the Adobe inDesign stuff.. Having it in English, instead of needing to take the SVG file and editing it, would be helpful. Not aware of a english version of that poster yet. But then again that poster is not that catchy to begin with/I wouldn't use the same green background/framing now that we got the motiv-images that look much nicer modern. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice
If TDF/Lo had the money to spend on the making of a video/advertisement/infomercial for LO, it would be nice, but they/we do no have such money. If someone would to a video of a presentation, not at an event, then it could be a start. Then have some video time showing a monitor while someone is demo-ing LO can be included. Show people how easy LO is to use, plus a comparison to using it with MSO files, and other stuff that makes LO the best free product out there for an alternative to MSO. As for the other issue, we need to have a side by side comparison of all of the free office products, Windows and Linux, with a listing for MSO in their to make it useful for Windows users to see that they do not need to have MSO for their normal office needs. Gear it for home, student [grades 6-12, plus university], and business users. If we had some side by side facts about LO compared to the others, we would not need the in my opinion information about LO as much as we do now. Quotes from articles comparing LO and MSO would help. Windows is the real need to get more users using LO over any other office option for that environment. We need to get more Windows quotes about how good LO is compared to MSO, not relying on best of the Linux office suites types of articles. Yes, we need to let them know that you can have MSO and LO on your system. Or you can say that you can have LO on your personal/home system and keep using MSO at work. Then you will not need to buy a copy of MSO 2010 on any home hardware. I just deleted the icons to deal with trial and buy now for MSO 2010 for a laptop bought last month by a friend. She has LO and my 638K dictionary installed now. She it the type of person that might see those icons and think that she must buy MSO 2010 to get her laptop running completely. LO and OOo cannot be easily run side by side, but while I still used Windows on my desktop, I has OOo and MSO on it at the same time. That was before LO came out and before I switched to Linux as my default system. It would be nice to have a GOOD brochure with the quotes from Windows articles, so we can show potential users; either for ourselves or at the shows/events coming soon in North America. It seems that our people in charge with marketing materials do not have one that I can see for use like that. When Drew had time, he created one spring/summer of last year to be included with the NA-DVD, but I have not seen an updated one to be geared for the new users and all the good things that LO can do now. Here is a link to the May 15th, 2011 pamphlet I was talking about. http://libreoffice-na.us/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf Here was the last inserted document for installing LO from the NA-DVD from May 16th, 2011 edit. http://libreoffice-na.us/na-dvd-insert-may-16.pdf On 03/02/2012 11:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I would rather see the work done by a volunteer too especially if that meant someone that had a good understanding of LibreOffice and perhaps the wider FOSS community. However, paying for things sometimes makes the relationship clearer and easier to control. Either way the trick is finding someone or a few people with the skills, time and motivation. On a side-issue / tangent ... We don't have to fight against OpenOffice anymore. Not that we were really fighting them before but now it's even less relevant. Similarly with AbiWordGnumeric, KOffice/Calligra, Google-docs and the rest of the OpenSource alternatives. OpenOffice is a great product and it helps us to help people start using it and to break away from trying to use MS Office. LibreOffice is a lot better than OpenOffice so people will move towards it once they realise they are both so similar. The most difficult step is the 1st step. That important 1st step is to help people realise there are good alternatives to MS Office. If people think there is a squabble between OpenOffice and LibreOffice they may delay until they can see which one loses first! However if we can show people that both are strong products standing shoulder-to-shoulder as brothers (or sisters) then it gives them greater confidence in just choosing one (and then perhaps changing to the other one later when they realise that is easy). Similarly i think it's important that people know they can keep running their old MS Office and just have LibreOffice / OpenOffice alongside so that they can gradually move over at their own pace. So, people have less to worry about while moving over. All that is just my own opinion and i know others think differently. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Nguyễn Vũ Hưngvuhung16p...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nguyễn Vũ Hưngvuhung16p...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice To: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: marketing@global.libreoffice.org, documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 4:10
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ubuntu Global Jam 2012 - Allegheny Mountain Jam - March 10th
On 02/27/2012 02:36 AM, drew wrote: snip . I'll have a couple of pressed discs with the full LibreOffice-NA DVD image, recently finished up by Tim L. - also available for download from (http://libreoffice-na.us) snip The LibreOffice North American Community DVD is actually at the following link. http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.5/LO-3.4.5--NA-DVD--WLM--Feb-21st-2012.iso My server will not allow ISO files or Zipped files the size of a CD. So it was placed on a TDF/LO server for your download needs. I thank them for doing this. I do not know who else has an English language DVD, but the NA-DVD has almost 4 GB of files. Installs for 3.4.5 for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX. It has language/Help packs for several non-English languages that are in the North American region. It has Documentation, over 180 Dictionaries, Extensions, Templates, Artwork, and some other extras that may be useful. The 2500 by 2500 pixel label for this DVD is at the following link [1.4 MB in size] http://libreoffice-na.us/na-dvd-3.4.5-label.png I have a media printer, so I can print the label directly onto the media. If there is anything you think you would like to see on the DVD, let me know. You can see what is in the DVD by going to the online testing link. http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/index.html The DVD is the same as what is online, except it is viewed from your DVD reader instead of online. That is what it was created for. People can use the DVD to get the things that might need, without the need to go online to get it. This is useful for slower access services or computers with not access at all. Check out the Dictionary page: http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/dictionary.html There are currently more dictionaries and thesaurus .oxt files on this page than at the LO Extension Center. Hopefully that will not be the case for too much longer. Check out our English dictionaries. The American[en_US], the British[en_GB], and the Canadian[en_CA], languages have the largest known spelling word content for English. The largest of these are the 638,000+ word list version[s] with a thesaurus of over 140,000 listed word and phrase lookups in each one. One day, I hope to have the time to finish and upload the even larger versions of these kpp English dictionaries, with about 1000 +/- words added, plus a new one for American English with over 750,000 spell checking words in the list. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Setting up a Biennial Conference in North America
On 02/23/2012 05:16 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:44 -0500, WorldLabel.com wrote: My initial thought is we should concentrate on increasing contributors to LibreOffice, getting more developers from North America involved at a hackfest/conference, documentation writers, marketers, distributors, graphics and art, and anyone else who wants to contribute. We need to create more excitement in North America. I believe this is the foundation needed for stronger growth for LO adoption in North America. I'm all for a contributor event if that's what we feel should be the priority. I'm still of the belief that if we increase the user base then we increase the chances that developers want in and step up. But that's always a matter of chicken-egg debate. I'm curious though, if we are seeking new developers and other contributors what strategy do we have that will incentivize people with such skills to want to contribute to LibreOffice? And how big is the LO contributor-base in North America? Bryen M Yunashko I can no longer program, but my English dictionary set [4 American, 4 British, and 3 Canadian] and the NA-DVD is my contribution to LO. How many of the programmers are in North America, instead of Europe? That would be nice to know the percentage. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] first article about TDF getting its Inc status
Saw this today in one of my e-newsletters. http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1121607193-2633d7c77d14cff811233e01103381d9-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1121607193-2633d7c77d14cff811233e01103381d9-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 Document Foundation gets corporate Inc status http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1121607193-2633d7c77d14cff811233e01103381d9-bfbrand=ZDNETs=5 *Paula Rooney: * The Document Foundation's official incorporation in Germany strengthens the rights of the community and individual contributors, backers say. In other words, the Inc status will prevent any one or several companies from hijacking the project. Tue Feb 21 03:38:56 PST 2012 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sharing the advertisment
Someone what to convert it to English? It looks great for Education, since it looks like a mini chalk board. But for my region, we need it to be in English, while others may be able to use it in its current format. Actually viewing the link with Firefox 10.0, the .svg image does not appear correctly. I had to download the image and use my image viewer and/or Inkscape to view it properly. On 02/15/2012 09:07 PM, João Fernando wrote: I will publish in the next Espírito Livre issue. Thanks. Em quarta-feira, 15 de fevereiro de 2012, Eliane Domingos de Sousa elianedomin...@gmail.com escreveu: Dear all, I created a small advertisment to promote the LIBO 3.5 in Brazil and I'm sharing the file. Feel free to use. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bzmb-ZecnWluMWZlNTIwYTktNWVlMy00YjU0LTk1YTYtNWY3NmE2ZTIzNTU1 Best Eliane Domingos Brazilian LibreOffice Community -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portuguese LibreOffice Comunitty Logo
Can it be used for other groups? I like something like that for advertising LO on a web site, or on a brochure. On 02/16/2012 06:47 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Adriano Afonso wrote on 2012-02-04 03:57: I already have a new versions using the community logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficePT.png (If you also administrate the wiki, can you please delete the other? thanks) unfortunately, I didn't have time yet do check with our trademark policy - sorry for that, foundation legal stuff kept me quite busy. What do others think? I didn't see many replies yet, and since the trademark policy should serve the protection of the brand, and at the same time support the community efforts, I'd like to hear some thoughts on that. :-) Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portuguese LibreOffice Comunitty Logo
On 02/16/2012 08:13 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2012-02-16 13:32: Can it be used for other groups? I like something like that for advertising LO on a web site, or on a brochure. what exactly do you mean by something like that? ;-) In what way would you like to modify the logo? Florian I like the bird inside the LO icon. There was talk about creating a mascot/character for some types of advertising, like on shirts and hats. The bird looks nice but is maybe to stylized for a mascot image that would attract the younger crowd. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Portuguese LibreOffice Comunitty Logo
On 02/16/2012 02:07 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Tim, Le 2012-02-16 13:40, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : On 02/16/2012 08:13 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2012-02-16 13:32: Can it be used for other groups? I like something like that for advertising LO on a web site, or on a brochure. what exactly do you mean by something like that? ;-) In what way would you like to modify the logo? Florian I like the bird inside the LO icon. There was talk about creating a mascot/character for some types of advertising, like on shirts and hats. The bird looks nice but is maybe to stylized for a mascot image that would attract the younger crowd. I think you have gotten the subject of this discussion confused. Adriano has submitted an sample for a Portuguese-styled logo for his community and not a mascot proposal. It is really a proposal for a country-specific LibreOffice logo. Cheers, Marc Yes, I know this was specific for their region, BUT, it would still be nice to have a mascot image that the regional icons could be a part of. We need to get one international mascot that can also be modified like the icon. Having a larger mascot for a shirt image that is wearing a shirt himself/herself that has a regional icon on it. That would make it an international image with a regional flair as well. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] High-res screenshots
300 or 500px? The screen is something like 72 px per inch by default. My monitor is a little over 1300 px wide. Most of the pop-up options are in the range of 770x450 px is size or smaller, for my system. So what do you mean by high-res? Pixel width or pixel per inch? To me high resolution means pixels per inch, but screen shots are limited to the pixel size of the monitor. So if you want wide images with 300 or more pixels per inch for printed fine printed applications, then the screen snapshots will have to be artificially increased for pixel per inch. 1300 px with image at 150 px/inch == 8.66 inch wide or 4.36 wide at 300 px/inch [300 dot per inch for fine printing of images] On 02/13/2012 11:33 AM, Dave Johnson wrote: Tell me what you need and I can provide it in high resolution any doing. On Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, I have a journalist who works for a *paper* magazine and who is writing an article about Libreoffice. Does anyone have high resolution screenshot of the suite? (like 300 or 500px) Thanks, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] introducing myself
Here is a link to an English DVD that might give ideas on what you might use to create your own regional DVD. The DVD's contents can be viewed online as well at its online testing portal. You can take this DVD and make it to fit your regional needs. This was one idea for a marketing tool. It was created to be used for the North American - English - Community. I thing it would as a start for showing what can be down. Of course this is what I did for marketing, along with handing as many copies of this DVD [and earlier versions] as I could afford to do in my local area. 3.6 GB ISO http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.4/libo3.4.4-NA-DVD-WLM-Dec-3-2011.iso Online version of the DVD http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/index.html On 01/23/2012 05:32 AM, Evans Ikua wrote: Thanks. I am interested in working on some local marketing activities. Evans On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Evans, 2012/1/23 Evans Ikuaikua.ev...@gmail.com Dear all, This is just a brief word to introduce myself. My names are Evans Ikua, from Nairobi, Kenya. I have been an Open Source Evangelist for over 8 years now and am involved in FOSS advocacy in Kenya where am the Chairman of the Linux Professional Association of Kenya. I am also involved in FOSS capacity building and community development initiatives across Africa working with FOSSFA (the FOSS Foundation for Africa). Since last year, I am the Master Affiliate for the LPI in East Africa. I am very interested to participate in the LibreOffice activities, especially in marketing and Documentation since that is where I know I can play an effective role. I am therefore happy to be in this community and will do my best to play an active role and move FOSS forward. I believe LibreOffice has a very important role to play in the adoption of FOSS. Thanks for the time and I look forward to fruitful engagements. Welcome to this list! Would you like to work on local marketing tasks? Best, Charles. Evans -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libo push
On 01/17/2012 11:50 PM, Dave Johnson wrote: Agreed. I plan on approaching some local highschools Offering the DVD with extras. Can I have a link to your image... I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Direct link http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.4/libo3.4.4-NA-DVD-WLM-Dec-3-2011.iso TDF list of German ISOs plus mine http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.4/ The opening page to my portal which also shows the link to the ISO file plus the 3.3.x web site versions of the older DVDs. http://libreoffice-na.us/ the Index page of the 3.4.x DVD online test website - which is currently 3.4.4 http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/index.html The ISO's file name of libo3.4.4-NA-DVD-WLM-Dec-3-2011.iso indicates: libo3.4.4 - - LibreOffice 3.4.4 NA-DVD - - North American DVD [English] WLM - - Windows, Linux, and MacOSX Then the date of Dec 3rd 2011 when it was last modified. When I download the 80+ files[ totaling 1.7 GB +/-] of install files, language packs, and help packs for Windows, Linux [.deb and .rpm], and MacOSX [Intel and PPC], I will create the 3.4.5 version. I usually do this withing a few weeks of the new version[s] coming out. After that I upload the new version files to the testing portal site. If TDF saids OK, then I upload the new .iso file to their server for them to place it in the proper mirrored site folder. Right now, with my current broadband line I get about 120KB/s instead of the 900KB/s+ I should have so the 3.6 GB .iso file takes 8 - 10 hours to upload to a server. It takes only a few minutes for me to download it, though. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libo push
On 01/17/2012 04:42 PM, Dave Johnson wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Johnsondavefilms...@gmail.com Date: Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Libo push To: flo...@gmail.comflo...@gmail.com Just wanted to pass on that I have been promoting libreoffice on 5 campus in middle tennessee usa. I have contacted via email as many as 300 individual students. I will be passing out as many libreoffice dvd's as I can make. Please forward this message to the group so everybody can know what I'm doing in tennessee Well, I have printed about half that many from the various versions of the following DVD ISO file, since summer. Most were given out to people within 50 miles of my location in central New York State. It would be nice to get the DVDs into the hands of the students BEFORE they get the MS habit, i.e. while they are still at home in their local school districts. Free DVDs to college students are great, except if it is after their parents forked out for MSO on their kid's college computers. http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.4/libo3.4.4-NA-DVD-WLM-Dec-3-2011.iso I tend to make both DVD case and thin-jewel case copies depending on who will be getting the media. Except for the lower computer skilled person - think business suites - I tend to give out DVDs with Windows, Linux, and Mac installs. For those who would have problems with that, or gets confused about their computer's specs, I have a Windows-only version of the DVD. What extras are you offering besides the generic LO English install files? Any extra language packs? Any extra dictionaries? Any extensions or templates? If you have students where they read/write more than just English, or maybe Spanish as well, it is good to have a sampling of other language packs to show them that it is easy to add more languages to the package, or at least have more dictionaries than just the default ones. There are over 180 dictionaries that work for LO out there. I tried to include them all with my DVDs. I now produced a set of English dictionaries [plus thesaurus and hyphenation] going from 98,000 words to over 638,000 words in their spelling word lists. I have a 1,000,000+ word list, but the last 200,000 words seem to be mostly obscure words and weird but valid spellings of included ones. You get to decide on how far you want to go with the depth of the words, and word types, you want to spell. There are dictionaries specifically for Medical and Chemical words and terms that are currently not in my 638K word lists [90K+/- of them]. Bet that would help for some college students. So the extras do help. So does templates for standard document types that they might need can help with their large paper assignments. It is great that you have the ability to canvas 5 colleges with the software. Now maybe we can get more extras that are geared for the learning environments. From 6th grade to post-graduate level, all could use more stuff than comes in the basic office package to help with their paperwork these days. MSO does not do much, except student discount, so maybe we should. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LO North American Community DVD - ISO is now online
OK people Here is an ISO of the North American Community DVD [English version]. It is about 3.6 GB in size. It is for Windows, Linux [.deb and .rpm], and MacOSX [PPC and x86/Intel]. For those who can, please download it and burn your own copy. Let us know what you think. Use it to make your own, if you need to, for the events you go to. See what your friends think. It is filled with all the documentation, dictionaries, etc., that will get people started to using LibreOffice. http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.4.4/libo3.4.4-NA-DVD-WLM-Dec-3-2011.iso If there is any problems, or issues let us know. We need the community's input to make it better. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] few marketing ideas and feature request
We all would like to have our DVD media be part of a computer magazine, but that is hard to get done. The real issue is the cost. Producing a DVD cost money for its maker. Having it a part of a magazine makes it more difficult to ship it to its sales location or by mail to its subscription readers. It is not free. It is my hope that one day it will be part of a computer magazine free software DVD, but it may not happen in the near future. Using the cloud for your file saving is an idea that is both good and bad. What happens when you cannot get access to the Internet, or the storage company has its communication lines cut [like the major flooding this past year], or some other issue that prevents you from accessing your files? One day, LO may have the option to connect to cloud servers, most likely through an extension. There are a lot of things that have to be worked out to deal with cloud servers, including real-time encryption, to make using a cloud server access system work properly. As time goes by, and cloud computing is used more and more by users, the open-source code will be written to get this process working. Tablet and smart phones devices are hard to write for if you want something like a mini office package. There are resource issues to take into account. There are people working on stripping LO down to an application that could work on an Android device, but what features will you keep and what will you get rid of? MS is working on a version of their office package for the tablet environment, but there is an app that I see advertised as part of tablets and other devices like Kindle and Nook that will read/write basic MSO documents. But these apps are extremely stripped down. Well, at least we have people that are looking into making a version of LO for Android. Web page creation and editing can be done with LO, but it is not designed to be as good as a stand alone WYSIWYG web page editor. There are free ones out there, like Kompozer, that do the job well enough for non-power users. But, making Writer be a great web page editor would cause it to be a bloated package. Right now LibreOffice is an office suite, not a web page design package. Even thought they may both be WYSIWYG editors, they have majorly different functions. Also, if you do create a web page editor, you should make it and editor/browser and be able to deal with most client side scripting and display. Then there is the server side scripting that is used, like PHP, that needs to be considered. To be honest, I started writing web pages with HTML 2.x using a text editor and a browser. It took some time for me to find a free HTML editor that worked for my needs. For business, you will need something that is much more powerful, and easy, than the current crop of free WYSIWYG web page editors. One day, there might be a movement to add a web page editor to the office suite, but that day is not going to happen soon. You have to realize that LO is an office suite of modules. It is currently designed for use in an office environment that is dominate by MS Office. Our developers are working hard to make it the best office suite available. The issue I found with MSO is the fact that they wanted to make there modules/packages do as much as possible and have become so bloated that the average user uses less than 5% of what Word and Excel can do. LO does not was to go down that path. If the real need for other modules/packages to be included into an office suite of modules/packages, then the developers will start working on those needs. Right now, our developers do not want to develop software that already has good/great open-source versions. We were asked to include an email package, like Outlook, but there are free ones out there that work well and we do not want to duplicate their work with our limited manpower. We have a drawing package, but it was not meant to replace the larger packages like Inkscape and GIMP. We do not have the manpower to compete in that market. So we stick to what we do best, an office suite. By doing this we create will keep making LibreOffice the best in its market, instead as a so-so package in many different markets; like office suite, web editor, email client, etc., etc.. On 12/09/2011 02:19 AM, anant verma wrote: hello everyone, i was thinking about few ideas and features that can make libreoffice much better. Marketing idea: free cd/dvd distribution with digital magazines or local magazines basic idea behind this: one has to agree that in computer field/ world, generally people are not aware that such software exits or what actually open source is. they don't know that there exists a software other than microsoft office for office work. this software is known to people who use Linux, but Linux users are both advance and less in number. second point is more number of people uses a software rapid
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [UX] Content for a Paper case for the LibOx
Maybe these two documents might help you. http://libreoffice-na.us/na-dvd-insert-may-16.pdf - DVD instructions to insert inside the DVD case. http://libreoffice-na.us/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf - a pamphlet about LO. http://libreoffice-na.us/lrg-cover-NADVD-2.png - paper to insert as the DVD case label They were created for the North American Community DVD Project. [The ISO file is online for testing. See Erich about getting a copy, or go to our site to look it over]. These documents work for us, for now. I have handed out over 100 DVDs so far, with many including the DVD in a DVD case and these documents, while others are just a DVD in a jewel case. I just looked at the draft of the paper case. I like the idea of it. Great marketing gimmick for handing out the discs at shows and conventions. On 12/04/2011 09:42 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi all, maybe you have noticed that some times ago Nik showed a fine proposal for a LibOx-paper case [1] [2]. He also wrote: I haven't put real content in my Design because I wanted to give Marketing and UX a chance to work out what they think would be best, that and localisation issues. Daniel Steyer and me are working on this subject. We made the instructions as odt and pdf in Englisch and German. Nik mentioned two passages (each max. 10 lines) with content: Installation (about 480 characters) and Feature (about 600 characters). And now we need this content. Maybe we can also put other information on it. Do you have any decisions or proposals? I made a wiki page for this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Paper_case_for_LibOx#Need_for_content [1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg02686.html [2] http://liberated.nikashsingh.org/html/papercase.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Standalone PDF
Here is the text I wrote for the thread on the User's list. I did not see it here as well. For Windows, I use doPDF, which places a printer in you printer list that prints to a PDF file. I know that Linux may have a PDF printer option installed by default, but what little testing I have used for it, I find that I prefer to install CUPS-PDF printer and use it. It creates a better file name and has more print options, but it will only place the file in the default PDF folder. I never heard of PDF-Redirect. I went to there site. I wonder what print options it has compared to doPDF and the non-free PDF995 and CutePDF? I have been using doPDF for years on Windows, since I was creating e-newsletter version of the printed ones back in the late 90's and early 00's. I never changed. When I went to Linux as my default desktop platform in Feb 2010, I looked for a good PDF printer. CUPS-PDF was the one that came up in the repository search. So, there are many different ways to print a PDF file, internal-exporting and various PDF printers. You must try a few on your platform and choose which one is the beat for you. On 12/02/2011 06:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) No. Most of the apps all go together. Base is sometimes a separate thing that can be added but i don't think Base works on it's own. In GnuLinux (such as Ubuntu, Mageia, RedHat) it might be possible to just use your normal package manager to find and install something else that does a convert to pdf. In Windows there are a few things, perhaps doPDF but they are independant projects. Google search (or Bing or whatever) might help you find a 3rd party app to do the job. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 2/12/11, Paulagen...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Paulagen...@yahoo.com Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Standalone PDF To: us...@global.libreoffice.org, disc...@documentfoundation.org, marketing@global.libreoffice.org, des...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 2 December, 2011, 4:12 Does Libre office have a stand alone PDF application? ie - does Libre provide the PDF editor by itself without all the other features in the 200 MB download - is it possible to install only the PDF tool without all the other features ? All responses appreciated. Thanks, Paula -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] pro-OpenDocument Format arguments
There use to be such a filter from Sun, before Oracle took over it. I wish I could find a copy of it again. On 11/26/2011 10:10 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I really like the idea expressed at the end of Tim's post. However i think such an add-on would need to work even with MSOs versions that do claim to support ODF as it would be better to be able to use the newer ODF 1.2 rather than the fairly ancient ODF 1.0. I didn't think MSO could use anything like add-ons, filters or anything like that. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 26/11/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: snip / If we can find a filter that allows MSO to read/write ODF formats, for those versions that did not try to built it in, then we can send that filter to our business contacts as something that may help their businesses deal with the International Standard Office Suite file formats called ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office - From Oracle no longer free
Well, it looks like the newest versions of this filter is no longer free. One site I looked at had the following to say: quote Sun released a plugin back in 2007 for Microsoft Office that allowed Office users to work with Open Document Format (ODF) documents. The Sun ODF Plugin was maintained by Sun and offered as a free download. The recent acquisition of Sun by Oracle had an impact on the availability of the plugin. The Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office is now offered for the premium price of $99 per application user plus an annual support fee of $19.80 with a minimum order quantity of 100 licenses. No information are currently offered if the product will be made available to Office end users as well. unquote Now, Oracle seems not to have it on their site anymore. Or at least by the searching I have down on the Oracle site. The I have seen links for free versions of 3.1 and 3.2, even though Oracle is no longer showing it, others sites are. So what do you think? Is it free, or not? Oracle no longer sells it. I cannot find it for sale anywhere. It looks free to me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] pro-OpenDocument Format arguments
On 11/25/2011 07:14 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 11/25/11 12:41 PM, Tom Davies wrote: The FSF seems positively rabid and starts with the premise that people want to be free rather than to just get on with work easily. Your post makes a lot more sense and is a lot calmer. Can i use parts of it to present an argument to work-colleagues and a few other people outside of TDF? Although I share many FSF ideas, I do not approve at all their communication strategy. You are free to use my text, and I have added to my todo list a presentation on the subject. No matter how much better ODF is over MSO formats, it will take a lot of effort to get businesses to switch. We will never see .doc or .docx go away as the default format for word processing. It has been the business standard for too many years for that to change. So if a suite wants to be part of the business market, it needs to be able to use MSO formats. As for ODF, well I think it will grow in use. I use it as my default format[s] but I still have to send .doc files to many contacts who's work have not thought of switching. Several of these are at state governed agencies that has too much of a ingrained use of MSO to be able to break out of it easily. As more and more governments respond to budget pressures and stop buying MSO contracts, then we have a hope to continue to grow in the market. The issue is all of those legacy systems that cannot read/write ODF formats. Businesses will still need to deal with non-ODF formats for a long time until those old systems are replaced with LO or other ODF usable systems. I will hope that more and more businesses use ODF for internal use, while exporting those documents to MSO formats for external use. If MSO starts reading/writing ODF better, then ODF may grow faster. If we can find a filter that allows MSO to read/write ODF formats, for those versions that did not try to built it in, then we can send that filter to our business contacts as something that may help their businesses deal with the International Standard Office Suite file formats called ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges
On 11/20/2011 08:02 AM, Harri Pitkänen wrote: On Saturday 19 November 2011, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Here is my thought. A certification course should/could be using some type of step by step training guide. Each section of that guide must be completed successfully before you can go on to the next section. Once you completed all the sections, you are given an exam. Completing the course and getting the required score on the exam should/could be the requirement for the certification. This seems reasonable for the certification part. But these community colleges do not usually provide any certificates to the students. Their purpose is to help people who want improve their skills in various areas (computing, languages, hobbies), not to provide any formal recognition. There are some exceptions but mostly people attend these courses just for fun and not for professional skills. My question was more about whether those who organise these courses need to be certified before we can list their courses in local LibreOffice event calendars etc. I'm definitely for requiring such certification from professional IT training companies. But community colleges seem to fall into complete different category and I have no idea on what to do with them. Harri Well, the community college nearest my location is different. They offer several course structures that will prepare you for a certification. Both computer hardware and computer software types. Last time I looked, they had A+, CISCO, plus other groups of courses that would prepare you for different certification tests. They did not give the tests, but train your so you would be ready to take them. As for making sure the instructors were certified to teach the students, well, if you have a manual that gives the student the needed information to pass the test, then any professional who can teach should be able to help the students learn the needed information. Such a manual must have all the information, sample test questions, and practice exercises that will give the students the required hands-on skills. As for making the teachers be certified, well that is the chicken and the egg for you. How do the teachers learn the needed info to be certified when you must have a certification course be taught by a certified teacher? If the teacher is a professional, and has the skills to teach, then all we can do for the first few years is hope they teach the material correctly from the certification manual. After there have been a few certification classes, then we can require the teachers to have their certification. Maybe require the teacher to become certified with their class at the first testing opportunity after their class[s] finished the full course[s] of the preparation. I still think we need a class on each module of LibreOffice. Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Base, Math, and Macros in there somewhere. We could use the current documentation as the starting point for the preparation manuals. Then add sample questions [with answer keys], and practice exercises to work on those need hands-on skills. As a former Substitute teacher [3 years], and someone who has gone to college 4 times with 3 degrees, I do have some knowledge about what is needed to teach a class certification style of courses and creating the needed practice environment. I had to create the first network technology practice lab for my last college degree, for the professor before the first class ever started. He had the book skills and was a professional in the large-scale networking field, but he was not skilled in taking the scrap computers he was given and turn them into a working set of computers on a working network. So, I do know what it is like to have a instructor that does not have all of the skills to set up the course materials, but who could teach the course. As long as we give the instructors all the needed materials [PDF documents] to teach the material and practice what is taught, then we have done the hardest part of the work for them. Maybe someone should buy the certification books for MS's packages. See how they set up their certification courses. Also look into the other one that deal with software packages or technology certifications. They should know how to produce the needed instructional manuals. We can take their manuals as a guide to creating our manuals. This is a hard job. But if we get this right, then it will be easy for those who want/need certification to learn the needed material to pass the testing. Of course we could do something stupid like a job recruiter that required an individual have at least 10 years experience in computer languages from his list, when 2 on his list of 5 were not even beyond the developers' stage for more than 5 years. I actual saw an ad for such a requirements about 20 years ago. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges
On 11/19/2011 07:48 AM, Harri Pitkänen wrote: Hi! I was wondering if it is appropriate to mention on our localized web sites or somewhere else any upcoming LibreOffice courses in local community colleges. In Finland the community college system is partially state funded and the actual colleges are usually operated either by local municipalities, non- profit organizations or in some cases for-profit groups. They are open to everyone and classes are usually held during evenings and weekends, allowing even those who have regular jobs to participate. The subjects range from computer skills to archeology and pottery making. During the past years Finnish community colleges have been quite active at offering basic computer skill courses using OpenOffice.org. I believe this has been good marketing for OOo, especially among the elderly people who quite often learn their computer skills on such courses. Now I see that some community colleges here have switched to LibreOffice which is of course great. There are participation fees to these courses but thanks to government funding they are often relatively low. One community college is offering a 12 hour LibreOffice course with 120 euro fee in April 2012. Another just finished a combined OOo/LibreOffice course, 12 hours with 35 euro fee. I know that there is a certification program coming and this kind of activity would most likely fall within it. But these community colleges could have hard time finding resources to participate in the certification programs at the same level as typical IT training companies since the companies collect much higher participation fees (typically around 1000 euros for courses with similar length). Community colleges often do not even have permanent teaching staff for their courses but just contract someone who happens to be available and has the sufficient skills. Should we take the difference in business models in account when we set up the rules for the training certification program? Or should we just exclude community colleges from the certification program and assume that the government supervision is enough to guarantee sufficient quality? Harri Here is my thought. A certification course should/could be using some type of step by step training guide. Each section of that guide must be completed successfully before you can go on to the next section. Once you completed all the sections, you are given an exam. Completing the course and getting the required score on the exam should/could be the requirement for the certification. I needed to fill in some credits in college one semester and took a three part course. Part One was basic computer skills. Part Two was skills using Word. Part Three was skills using Excel. The LO certification would take each Module as a different section, or part, and deal with all the needed skills that the certification developers feel that is needed for proper use/skills for LO. I took a certification course in CISCO networks and they used a combination workbook and computer [online] based training and browser based testing. Then after you completed the course, you went to a testing place for certifications that was held twice a year. The exam was a flat fee, while each course at a college or training center had their own fee structure. That way you could either take the course with an instructor, or do it on your own. Then twice a year, the certification exam was held for every one. That type of course and exam structure seems to work for many different certifications. Or, it did when I was preparing to take some of these certifications. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Well, we can have the primary items listed, but then add things like Export to PDF, or other things that LO does that MSO either does not do or does not do well. What we need is a check list that shows potential users that LO does what MSO does for their documents needs, plus LO does things that MSO does not do. I have people ask me can LO do this or that. One lady thought she could not use LO on her Word documents, since only Word can do these, right?. I could not convince her that LO could do everything she did with MSO. She was suckered by Best Buy people stating she had to have MSO to work with MSO files and no free [used as it was a bad word] software can do the same work as MSO could. All she did was type letters and other documents that are the bread-and-butter work of 90% of a word processing user. Best Buy people could not be wrong, in her mind, so I must be. They just wanted her $150 basic MSO sale. If we had some documented proof on LO's abilities compared to MSO, then we can show these people that LO will work for them. I may be calling Best Buy soon and ask their manager why their tech/sales person told that lie to my friend. I have been working with computers longer than that expert has been alive, yet he gets to lie to his customers about LO cannot read/write MSO files when it has done so since it first came out. When I use to work tech support and sales for a store [for a year or so] if you were caught telling a customer that a some other product can not do something when it could, you could loose your job. Well, I do not want to go on with that thought. But, LO is in need of some documentation that compares itself with MSO, AND stating it can do all the different things that MSO does for 90% of the users of MSO and does it without costing you MSO's prices. You can download it free and download its updates for free, etc., etc.. Most people I know will not take something as true, unless you have the documentation to back it up. We need that documentation to increase our market share in the Windows OS market. We need to prove to the average Windows user that LO can do everything they want to do, and do it without paying MS's fees to do it. I just wish we could convince a PC vendor to include LO with their systems, but that might violate MS's rules that if you have Windows OS, you cannot have MS competition software on it as well. On 11/16/2011 07:44 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 11/16/11 12:09 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. A few thoughts: - all main office suites share over 90% of the features, and this gives Microsoft a real advantage (because the company can advertise features) but allows us to say that all features are there (this is the reality, unless you are looking for something really specific) - 80% of users access less than 10% of features (maybe less than 5%), and this makes a large number of features completely irrelevant for the majority of the users (sometimes, they do not find features just because the menu is not there, as the famous - missing - Table menu of OOo 1.0, while the feature was there, even better than MS Office) - Microsoft bets on features, because they have an higher count of them (if done on a table), although they know that features are irrelevant for the choice of the office suite - maintaining a feature to feature comparison is very time consuming, and would not bring - in my opinion - significant advantages to us, as the history of OOo shows: the awareness was key to increase downloads while features were completely irrelevant (Sun betted on features to get nothing, the community worked on awareness to get very good results) Anyway, this is just my opinion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
I received an email today. It looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants my opinion on how good it is. Since Symphony is based on OOo's code and now OOo is now a product of the group that created Apache, it may be that the next OOo will be coming out soon, or IBM did not wait and just did their own updating. Maybe they decided to take some of LO's coding instead of OOo's? I could be wrong, but why else would I get an email after all this time asking me how I like Symphony? Still, I am a LibreOffice user and do not think I will switch in the foreseeable future, unless the programmers of LO goes on strike or something. Oh wait, the cannot strike since they are all volunteers and dedicated volunteers never would do anything like striking. They would just make a new fork. I doubt that would happen with the way the people who are in control are so positive and want to help the programmers, marketers, and users as much as possible, unlike some open-source groups I have dealt with. So, maybe someone might want to look at Symphony and see what they have to offer. Then we can have information about OOo and Symphony compared to LibreOffice. That way we can say how much better LO is and have proof based upon the other package's performance info. I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. That way the marketers can have the info in the style that people are use to. Most package web sites have check lists showing what each version has compared to the others that they offer. MSO has one for its product line of office suites. It would be nice to see one created and maintained for LibreOffice. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
What I really was thinking about is a more detailed comparison list. This list would have things like read/write .docx files able to use JPEG 2000 image files edits PDF files list of popular formal types list of transition effects for Impress vs PowerPoint and things like that for each module of LO vs MSO and other office packages. Give details of the capabilities of LO and what it is comparing to. The lists in the link below is not detailed enough. Also it states there is not image viewer for LO. I thought Draw was a viewer and editor. It is nice to have some simple package comparisons, but more and more users are concerned with specific details about it LO or any other free package can do the specific type of work they need to do. That include file types for read/writing, importing of various image files, formulas and macros, etc., etc.. This list would show that LO exports to PDF directly, which MSO did not do the last time I used it. The idea of cross platform use - Windows, Mac, Linux OSs - is nice, but since more people will be concerned with Windows-only operation, it needs lists of operation functions, and other things that is needed by their day to day work needs. Specifics. The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. On 11/15/2011 05:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Yes Tables in Wiki's are weird. The problem for me is I do not have any MSO copies to deal with. I already used my one trial of MSO-2010 to do some conversions from complex .docx files to the standard .doc files. I did this last years before LO ever came out. What we need is someone with both LO and MSO experience, and software, to fill in the check list comparisons people come up with. I do not use LO or MSO 2003 [when I had it] heavily or with business needs and business functions. I do more simple documents over complex ones. I do little with Calc or Impress, and almost no work with Draw. So I could not help with that either. We need people who use each module to their limits, or at least with a large number of common functions. I am not that type of user anymore. On 11/15/2011 06:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It is possible to use the existing resource and just add to it. WIki's are fairly easy to edit although tables are a bit weird. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 23:09 What I really was thinking about is a more detailed comparison list. This list would have things like read/write .docx files able to use JPEG 2000 image files edits PDF files list of popular formal types list of transition effects for Impress vs PowerPoint and things like that for each module of LO vs MSO and other office packages. Give details of the capabilities of LO and what it is comparing to. The lists in the link below is not detailed enough. Also it states there is not image viewer for LO. I thought Draw was a viewer and editor. It is nice to have some simple package comparisons, but more and more users are concerned with specific details about it LO or any other free package can do the specific type of work they need to do. That include file types for read/writing, importing of various image files, formulas and macros, etc., etc.. This list would show that LO exports to PDF directly, which MSO did not do the last time I used it. The idea of cross platform use - Windows, Mac, Linux OSs - is nice, but since more people will be concerned with Windows-only operation, it needs lists of operation functions, and other things that is needed by their day to day work needs. Specifics. The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. On 11/15/2011 05:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: testing out 2 new large word list English dictionaries.
On 11/03/2011 06:20 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 01/11/11 15:40, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : I am testing out 2 new .oxt extensions. They are about 5.5MB each in size. If you would rather see the 98K word list, or the other sizes, let me know. I will be working on testing them out later. But, for my fist testing, I decided to go with a large word file. Here are the links. http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-large-list.oxt I tested installation of this one on the current master build, installation worked, but how does one know if it has replaced the initial dictionary ? Alex In the extension manager you should see British English with the 217K listing name. If you have one that specified en_GB dictionary, and this one was the last to be installed, then it is replacing the en_GB list. Or, in case you have a dictionary that is locked like the default English once, it would be used as an additional list to work with, i.e. adding more words to the list. That is what I understand happens. Actually I made a mistake and forgot to designate it was en_GB instead of just en for that list and forgot the same with the en_US list. Both had the plain en designate and if I installed GB, my US version was removed from the names on the list, and back and forth, till I finally figured out my error. Now I have both 217K word spelling dictionaries installed. I have not yet figured out a way to have a 98K American word list and the 217K version included at the same time with one disabled and the other one active. It would be nice to have more than one option available. Also, I am hoping to find the en_GB thesaurus controlling system for the British version, but until I do, I include the en_US version and state it so. Also, Oxford GB English is slightly different than standard Great Britain English. Some have to do with proper spelling for words that use to end with ize but is now becoming standardized with Oxford English sources with ise instead. That came from a WiKi page. en_US and en_GB versions are different with Oxford in that respect. That is like the four French dictionaries shown in the Extension Center. Each have their preferred spelling standard of words as the language changes. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] testing out 2 new large word list English dictionaries.
I am testing out 2 new .oxt extensions. They are about 5.5MB each in size. The American English one has en_US spelling, hyphen, and thesaurus. The British one has en_GB spelling, hyphen, and US thesaurus. I could not find a GB thesaurus instructions, so I used the US one since they are close enough. The spelling dictionary word list are over 217,000 words with the British one having about 280 less words. These list have proper names, possessive name/word forms, words ending with suffices like ing and ism. I would like to have constructive comments about these .oxt extensions for LO/OOo. I have word lists that contain 50K+, 98K+, 217K+, 390K+, and 638K+ words. My original test of editing a dictionary had only about 50K words and no hyphen or thesaurus info in it. This is a major step for me in this field. I hope it would be welcomed. If you would rather see the 98K word list, or the other sizes, let me know. I will be working on testing them out later. But, for my fist testing, I decided to go with a large word file. Here are the links. http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-american-english-dictionary-large-list.oxt http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-large-list.oxt -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Mascot-Logo for LibreOffice/TDF
I took the image and made the larger one with the text an 800 pixel wide image. http://libreoffice-na.us/mascoteLibOLF--edited-1a.png It is not as sharp as it should be, since I had to blow up the original one and smooth out the edges of the image. But it is large enough to see how it might look. If you find the original image file - Inkscape .svg would be nice - then it would be easier to make a larger image to use. . On 10/27/2011 07:13 PM, Lucas Filho wrote: Hello, The file is old, but I'll see if I still have backup and send you. My Windows computer (damn) had problems and did some backups. Até mais, Lucas Filho Open-Ce Tecnologias e Serviços http://www.open-ce.com.br Hazime - Art Digital http://hazime-ad.blogspot.com Imagem Pix - Curso de fotografia grátis http://imagempix.blogspot.com Agradecemos a Deus por tudo - Mensagem original - De: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Para:marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 26 de Outubro de 2011 12:56 Assunto: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Mascot-Logo for LibreOffice/TDF On 10/26/2011 04:31 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Lucas, *, On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Lucas Filholucas...@yahoo.com.br wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NCYfYjZtIw22w5rARHmkVw?feat=directlink I can imagine that one on T-Shirts and similar - but as a general mascot it looks to mean/bad-ass :-)) (and I assume you'd be OK with putting it on shirts, etc despite © all rights reserved?) ciao Christian I am not sure that it looks mean/bad-ass to me. But there is something about the character's smile that might be seen that way. I think maybe having some text saying that he is the mascot for LibreOffice would help it. Using something like Join me in using LibreOffice, the best free office suite around, LibreOffice is a suite deal, or LibreOffice, liberate your office suite from the big bad MS giant, under the mascot would get the message across about what he is the mascot for. Right now people would not know that Libo could be short for LibreOffice. I would not mind getting a larger version of this mascot and see about making a tee-shirt with an iron-on media. I would have to get an image that is at least 5 or 6 inches across [whatever it would be in millimeters or pixels. Maybe a full page Inkscape .svg document [letter or A4] would do as well. I would use Inkscape to create the document to print on the iron-on media. If it look good, I could see how much it would cost to have a few made up at an online company out of New York City that does this type of printing and does embroidery as well. Their minimum order is 4 pieces, so it would be easy to get then. Actually having a tee-shirt would be nice, but having it printed/embroidered on a polo-style shirt at the pocket area, maybe 2-3 inches across, would look more professional for shows and events. Larger is not always better, just easier to see from a greater distance. SO Lucas, would you mind sending me a larger copy of the mascot, but not the ones with the background colors. It would need to be off the list. Eitherwebmas...@krackedpress.com orwebmas...@libreoffice-na.us would be a good email address to sent it to. I really like to see what I can do with that mascot and some text to make an interesting shirt with it. . -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail tomarketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Mascot-Logo for LibreOffice/TDF
On 10/26/2011 04:31 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Lucas, *, On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Lucas Filholucas...@yahoo.com.br wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NCYfYjZtIw22w5rARHmkVw?feat=directlink I can imagine that one on T-Shirts and similar - but as a general mascot it looks to mean/bad-ass :-)) (and I assume you'd be OK with putting it on shirts, etc despite © all rights reserved?) ciao Christian I am not sure that it looks mean/bad-ass to me. But there is something about the character's smile that might be seen that way. I think maybe having some text saying that he is the mascot for LibreOffice would help it. Using something like Join me in using LibreOffice, the best free office suite around, LibreOffice is a suite deal, or LibreOffice, liberate your office suite from the big bad MS giant, under the mascot would get the message across about what he is the mascot for. Right now people would not know that Libo could be short for LibreOffice. I would not mind getting a larger version of this mascot and see about making a tee-shirt with an iron-on media. I would have to get an image that is at least 5 or 6 inches across [whatever it would be in millimeters or pixels. Maybe a full page Inkscape .svg document [letter or A4] would do as well. I would use Inkscape to create the document to print on the iron-on media. If it look good, I could see how much it would cost to have a few made up at an online company out of New York City that does this type of printing and does embroidery as well. Their minimum order is 4 pieces, so it would be easy to get then. Actually having a tee-shirt would be nice, but having it printed/embroidered on a polo-style shirt at the pocket area, maybe 2-3 inches across, would look more professional for shows and events. Larger is not always better, just easier to see from a greater distance. SO Lucas, would you mind sending me a larger copy of the mascot, but not the ones with the background colors. It would need to be off the list. Either webmas...@krackedpress.com or webmas...@libreoffice-na.us would be a good email address to sent it to. I really like to see what I can do with that mascot and some text to make an interesting shirt with it. . -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Mascot-Logo for LibreOffice/TDF
Interesting online photo gallery. Not great for smaller size monitors though. The page source [view of in Firefox] shows it was generated by Adobe Photoshop Lightroom. Well myself I use Jalbum, [http://jalbum.net/en/software/download?ref=landing-overview] which is free and for most platforms, can create the same type of online photo gallery, plus you can choose the size of the viewed image and all the source files will be copied and converted to the needed size. Also it has many, many skins, i.e. the different ways the final gallery looks. At least for linked gallery, I knew where to switch to thumb-nail mode. As for the logo - having the generic icon that is LO and add the smiling face might be cute, but in the back of my mind, I thing I remember something like that from some TV commercial I say a few years back here in NY State in the USA. I do not know how similar it was, but it was an animated thing that is a little foggy in my brain. Having a mascot icon or cartoon characterization would be nice. Firefox has their fox. GIMP has that puppy face thing. Why not have one for LO and feature it on some of the tee-shirts? . On 10/20/2011 12:30 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi *, when watching the pictures people took at the conference, I came across that one: http://naplatno.cz/libocon2011-days-1-2/content/DSC_1069_large.html We should take the pins the German group has done and just add the fine drawing of Michael, also in black, on them ;-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft gets away with this, then no computer that has a Windows 8 logo on it will not be able to boot from free OSs like Linux. This will be part of the BIOS. You might not be able to run free software like LibreOffice, if it goes to the extreme end. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is another anti-trust violation for MS. Billy boy is going back to court about unfair practices from the 90's, so if people do not step up now to convince OEMs that we will not buy their products if they implement the free OS and software blocker at the BOOT LEVEL, then we cannot buy any new computers for Linux. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=tag=nl.rSINGLE Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 UEFI cage By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols | October 18, 2011, 1:26pm PDT Summary: The Free Software Foundation is asking OEMs to give users a choice on Microsoft anti-Linux Windows 8's United Extensive Firmware security feature. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MS plans to force OEMs to add boot feature that blocks use of Linux and free software.
In some related articles, experts looked at that is currently in the secure boot option and they have concern about what happens if MS controls the keys - like current plan - and hardware OEMs do not want to pay the bribe monies to MS to include their hardware in the accepted list. If you buy a new video card or a new SATA controller or drive that is not registered with MS, that expert[s] feel that the secure boot system will not allow the computer to boot at all. I still run across hardware that are not MS registered and I get nasty pop-ups warning me about installing the device and drivers since it is not MS approved. I still can install it, with hassle, but what will happen if I get this on a secure booted system. Sorry the company did not pay the bribe and so you cannot use it. Then there are the new stuff that comes out after the computer is built. Even if they register with MS, there is no way to allow the system to boot with that newer hardware without a firmware upgrade. I had one of those go bad with a router. I had to through it out since it would never work again. MS states it is up to the OEM computer builders and bios builders to allow the thing to be disables via a checkbox. It cost more to do that and since it has to be on or MS will not sell them their OS, some OEMs have stated that their current plan is not to have that option of disabling it. Cost less that way. Having something to stop those boot loader nasties is good, but if it prevents the good things from being able to work, then there is something wrong. There was a statement about why should MS with 99% of the share be required to allow the 1% to work on the computers that have their logo on. My feeling is that if this new security system prevents that 1% from working on legally bought systems that you want to add Linux onto it [dual boot or only boot] then there is some real bad legal issues again. In the USA less than 1% of us are handicapped, but until the law was created to protect our rights, we had no legal rights to be able to get into government buildings, or places to cast our votes. Our schools did not have to have wheelchair access, thus if you were in a wheelchair, you may not be able to get into the building or go to the floor where the class is held. It is against the law to deny the rights of a minority. Linux users are part of the OS minority. In the later 1880's to the 1930's and later, any Big business company that controlled a market and used that control to stop other businesses from being a part of that market, got chopped up. Big Standard Oil was chopped up, and much later ATT got chopped up into smaller companies - BY LAW. MS is in the same boat, but due to loopholes and big money to those with power in the government, MS was not required to be broken up. So they control 99% of the market [they say], and now that are telling the OEMs that if you want to sell your products in that market, you must do things our way. What is next? MS using their market control to tell other markets leaders that if you do not do it our way, we will make sure your company will not get our products ever again? MS controlled cars? MS controlled telecom? MS controlled Internet? Oh wait, Linux systems run the Internet. If MS is allowed to force OEMs to do it their way or not allowed to be in that market, then what else will they force on us down the line. I want my PC running Linux now. If I buy a system with Win 8 installed and decide that I would rather have Linux on that PC, then I legally have the right to have that option without MS telling me I cannot. MS is slowly loosing market shares in the PC market [non-Mac systems]. It is not much, but it is there. They are slowing loosing users to OOo and now LO. If they can make a hardware security system that stops Linux to work on those machine, will they be able to do the same for non-MS software, like LO and other open source software? What is stopping them? Not the law and our courts. Their fines are pocket money. Put MS leadership in jail for a few years, then maybe they will stop breaking our laws. On 10/19/2011 04:42 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: I suspect the workarounds will include capturing all the needed keys, reflashing the bios/uefi chip, and installing what you want. It is a PITA, but not insurmountable. It will probably spur more open hardware, to the detriment of those determined to lock down the system. MS aside, uefi is a good idea. This particular implementation is not. On Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 October 2011 16:59, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Please read the linked article. [below] If Microsoft get... I should think that is illegal under competition law. To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems cannot run Linux, then it is ... We can buy
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
Here is a marketing question that came from this thread; If we do not capture a large market and following - larger the better - what will happen to LO's market share when AOO comes out and they spend the marketing dollars that LO does not have? For this year, LO was lucky. Without OOo producing a package after 3.3.0, LO started to get OOo people looking for a package that is continuing to update its package. I truly wonder how many OOo users LO got because OOo was no longer issuing updates. When AOO comes out, how many will switch back? Then there is the question on how do we keep our users instead of them going back to the original version, not under Apache? Right now, open-source users have an older OOo version and the much more developed LO package. LO is the only way to go is you want to use the best MS Office compatibility. That was a major issue with the older OOo. That is currently LO's biggest feature with our marketing, besides the price. LO now can read/write .docx documents [and the other formats] better than any other free alternative that I know of. If you do not have a MS document/spreadsheet/etc. filled with complex micros, you can use LO with all your old MSO documents and create all of your new ones as well. This seems to work with everything but Access [so I have read in these lists]. LO needs to gain marketing shares and do such a good job at explaining why people and businesses should use our product, when AOO comes out, we will have a market share that is very happy with out product and will not be too willing to try AOO. When it finally does come out, we need to make sure our package is still the better one. All of the initial articles stating that LO 3.3.0 was much better than OOo 3.3.0 went to our favor. Now we do not need to have articles saying AOO is now better than LO. So ramp up marketing to get more loyal users ramp up services to keep them loyal When AOO comes out, we need to be the better product by a big margin. They can send a lot of cash with marketing, while LO cannot. We to keep growing and marketing at every event and show available. We to get the public to back out package to the point that they will not go to a big company's version. Now the work really begins. On 10/18/2011 06:03 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 18 October 2011 10:53, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, 2011/10/18 Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com I don't think you have to hand over your copyrights at ASF; but the licence allows anyone to take your contribution and turn it into proprietary software. Which is a consideration everyone should take seriously. There is a clear philosophical issue there. On the other hand, if you want a standard like .odf to proliferate as widely as possible - a real goal for marketing... Apple has spread the BSD code more than desktop GNU/Linux from all the distros. Thank you Ian. Please do not take my following comment as a refusal to discuss, but I'd like to keep this marketing list as a list for marketing LibreOffice, and not as a general discussion list (but you can have this discussion on discuss@, of course). I thought it was relevant to marketing since the license is likely to affect proliferation. Of course there is then a tension between philosophy and marketing benefit and the judgement might well be that philosophy is more important. Also I'd say if ASF has a weakness it is that most of their product line has never needed marketing in the same way as an end-user product has. That is where marketing strategies might differ, both because of the license and because of different culture. From an objective point of view communities might learn from each other as to which aspects within their own sets of constraints are most effective. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
Well Apache could pull out some marketing money for somewhere. It is a big name to those in the IT industry. So, there might be some ways for them to raise money for their office product. I know that LO has some big name companies behind it, so if it is a name game, we have some good ones, as far as I remember. For Windows users, we need to find some way to get into shows and such to convince these users to use LO. If we can somehow get some of these Tech magazines to include LO in one of their included CD/DVD of software that seems to come out every so often, we might pick up a few [or many] users. EVERY Windows machine I deal with, I tell their owners about LO and if they have an older copy of MSO [pre-2007] then I let them know that LO will deal with those MSO files that their version cannot. I tell them that I dropped MSO years ago and still work with its files very well. Plus the cost is free. It would be nice if we somehow could get some banner ad time on Google, or other place that people go to often. I do not deal with the social networks, but there has to be some way we can get the word out to the Windows users. I wonder if could get more of the localized computer stores [not chains maybe] who would give the software away or install it on every system they sell. A lot of the mom and pop stores do not sell MSO, due to the up front costs to them. Give it to them free, maybe a number of discs, and see what happens. I do not go into these stores much since if I need something, I order it online where I can get it cheaper. But if I need something today I have gone in to buy once in a blue moon. So somehow we need to get the Windows users. Go after those who cannot afford to buy MSO every time a new one comes out, or when they need an office package for their kids at home or at college. On 10/18/2011 08:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Ten times nothing. Hmm, let me do the math[s] here, is nothing and nothing Quote from Jayne in Firefly Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 18/10/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 18 October, 2011, 13:21 On 18 October 2011 12:53, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Here is a marketing question that came from this thread; If we do not capture a large market and following - larger the better - what will happen to LO's market share when AOO comes out and they spend the marketing dollars that LO does not have? snip / In terms of the cost of a global marketing campaign, I doubt ASF has significantly more to spend that TDF, even if it was 10 times as much it would still have little impact unless there was some killer way of presenting things. snip / -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
There is only one person that I know/met/talked-with locally, for sure that uses Linux and it is maybe 3 for Mac. Everyone else is a Windows person. Every one of them that I have a relationship with, I have done my best to get them to try LO. Only one I did not push, since he had several large personal Access databases built with MSO 97. [Pentium II computer] When I gave him a free P-III computer, I had to find a copy of MSO, since he lost his copy I gave him all those years ago, since I went to MSO 2003. He just could not deal with using LO for his database files, for now. When I find him a free P-4 machine with enough spare drive space, I will have both MSO and LO on that system for him to use. So, he is the only one of all the Windows users that told me that they would not give LO [OOo before January] a try. Many of these people have dumped MSO entirely, while others use MSO when OOo/LO does not work properly for them, and only a few are only using MSO at this time. So I know if we can get the software in their hands, install it for them if we must, they will give it a try. I just wish I could get the local schools to include LO, but they have these big budget MSO contracts that they cannot get out of. Also since everyone is using MSO then they have to teach on that package. Well the parents, students, and anyone else who has to buy MSO at their high prices [who do not need to deal with Access] would be happy to find a package that does what they need and saves the files in MSO file formats for the teachers, that is free and is becoming better and better every few months. The problem is how to get the word out to the masses. With my stroked-out brain, I am not a public speaker. If I was, I would hire the lecture hall at the main branch of the Library system to do a demonstration of LO and hand out free copies. Then have an ad in every library board and every free posting place [respectable ones] to give the date, time, etc.. The problem is I am no longer able to talk my talk anymore. I could barely do it before my last stroke, and I did one on Web page creation for personal use. I sure could use some ideas to get the local users of MSO to know about our free alternative. On 10/18/2011 06:03 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 10/18/11 6:51 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For Windows users, we need to find some way to get into shows and such to convince these users to use LO. If we can somehow get some of these Tech magazines to include LO in one of their included CD/DVD of software that seems to come out every so often, we might pick up a few [or many] users. We already reach covermount CDs in several countries, and we should add editors in all countries. People can help in building a mailing list by sending us email address of editorial staff of magazines with a CD (the address is usually printed somewhere on the editorial staff page). It would be nice if we somehow could get some banner ad time on Google, or other place that people go to often. I do not deal with the social networks, but there has to be some way we can get the word out to the Windows users. Addressing Windows users take more time than Linux and MacOS. Downloads are slowly increasing, and this show the increasing interest of users. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
The big thing about The Apache Way is they want to own the code our volunteers have worked on for the past year. I wonder how many of these people are willing to hand over their copyrights? Also, since there is a move to replace Java coding with Python coding as the code base is cleaned out of unneeded and bad coding. Does that mean that Apache's OOo project will not be able to us the code LO people create, even if they will allow the code owners to keep their copyrights? What happens to all the open-source code that was part of OOo before it was converted to The Apache Way? Since they seems to say that all that code no longer is owned by those who wrote it, but now are the propriety of Apache? Will it be still allowed for LO to use that code base, until we modify it with the Python and other new coding standards LO are working towards? I do not like the idea that a company could take open-source copyrighted code by others, and state that they now owe the code and the copyrights to it. The software listed in the linked article, that are Apache products touted to be successful with The Apache Way, are once I never heard of. I use to look for every free software out there for Windows users. I still do some times. I never heard of these in all my searches, so their success is something that I cannot agree with. You search for free software and LO comes up many places. Those I never found. On 10/17/2011 11:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Glyn was invited in Paris at the Libreoffice conference, and here's his article: http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/10/libreoffice-openofficeorg-and-open-standard-office-suites/index.htm Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article
Comments to the article - at their online site - seems to bring out the point that users of OOo had issues with MSO format compatibility [like .docx and .pptx]. It seems that they think that LO has the same issues, when it does not. I worked with Word, Excel, and Power Point files [the ones that are not super complex with heavy micros] and I have very little with compatibility issues. I no longer use MSO and the last one was MSO 2003. Every MSO file I have received in the past 6 months opened 100% using LO. Some of MS's online templates are too complex with micros and such to work 100% but MS does not want non-MS users to be able to use them any more. So, in these articles that talk about OOo and LO together, many times the writer assumes that they both have the same abilities. This is no longer true. OOo has not put out a version in a year and how many releases have LO made since then? 3.3.0 - 3.3.4 and 3.4.0 - 3.4.3. How much improved is LO's code and performance over OOo's version now? So, I wish the writers would try out LO and know about its improvements over OOo BEFORE that call them the same software, but under different ownership. Maybe someone should make a chart with a side-by-side comparison of features/functions of the current LO packages compared to the last OOo package released. Then keep it up as the newer version come out. Then people can see a check-mark chart with many, many check-marks on LO side and not as many on OOo's side. . On 10/17/2011 02:21 PM, timofonic timofonic wrote: Hello. There's seems to be another issue and is that ASF seems it has been obsessed with Java in an extreme way. They preferred to code their projects in that computer language and has been quite friendly with SUN and IBM, but it seems the relationship got a bit broken in 2010 as they abandoned JCP (Java Community Process) and Apache Harmony (their Java runtime) seems abandoned. I'm not sure if they will glue Java even more on Apache Office or not, but that can be an issue if it happens. Despite the corporate-like ASF PR, there seems to be indicatives of their relationship with IBM and Oracle getting more broken in certain ways (the Apache Harmony were part of the issue). And those were some of their most important promoters in certain ways, so they are weaker than ever. I just hope LibreOffice code gets streamlined without losing functionality, so the project can be lightweight enough to run on low computer processing power platforms (embedded devices and outdated computers). This would mark the difference with most of the competition: rich and robust features on lots of platforms (as most lightweight projects unfortunately are unable mix both in a successful way). About the license way, this is an old war in the Open Source world. This is more complex than it seems, but the results are quite simple. I divide them in two , as this world is binary: - BSD/MIT type licenses benefit private software. Any Open Source license with copyright assignment benefit private software too (with notable exceptions like GPL and FSF), despite being copyleft or not. Examples on the last one is CUPS from Apple. I think lots of corps consider this as the cheap labor way, so they promote it proactively in all possible ways. - Copyleft licenses without copyright assignment benefit the Free Software ecosystem, they promote sharing and modifing without bureaucratic stuff while feeling you don't own your work. Corps needs to adapt their internal cultures to this, or feel friendly externally and do all kind of nasty stuff internally (like Google, until recent Android 3.0 controversy). I consider the license fragmentation even in the copyleft world is a serious problem these days, I think in a large future the patent and copyrights should be abolished or heavily modified to promote knowledge instead of limiting it, but that's a different topic. There's an issue, as both FSF and ASF consider all versions of the Apache License to be only compatible with GPLv3 but incompatible with GPL v1 and v2. I wonder if the Apache License is compatible with LGPLv3, the license of the LO source code. Subversion was quite used as a replacement of CVS in software development, but these days it's getting deprecated by superior technologies known as distributed version control systems or DVCS. Two very successful examples are Git and Mercurial (the first one getting more popular, as being user by giant projects in terms of development complexity like the Linux kernel), getting a very massive adoption not only in the Open Source development but private too. SpamAssassin is a known email spam filter. Competitors include ASSP, DSPAM, Bogofilter and others. This software was quite popular for spam filtering, but competitors have risen lately too. Despite Apache being a Foundation, they work like a standard corporation. Tons of PR stunt, tons of comittees with acronyms, bureaucracy and buzzwords everywhere. They
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] IT Certification
I know a kid locally that is working on getting ready for as many certifications as he can BEFORE he goes off to college. His main system is Linux of some type and like LO and OOo a lot, according to his mother a used book store owner. He may be interested in getting a Certification in LO, when it becomes available. He helps his teacher out now and he hopes to have as many college credits from high school going into his first sememster of college as others get after their second or third semester only from college. The kid is smart. He is about to take the A1 or something that costs $300+ to take. On 10/16/2011 05:25 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Fantastic! Good to see. I wish i had noticed this earlier as we just had a question about Certification. I think someone is working on a large project in Venezuela and someone else on another large project in Sri Lanka. Are there plans for Certification in LibreOffice that is global rather than 'only' at national in a few countries? I thought the Paris Conference was going to announce something? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 13/10/11, Eliane Domingos de Sousaelianedomin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eliane Domingos de Sousaelianedomin...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Espirito Livre Magazine - issue 30 released To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 13 October, 2011, 1:54 Dear all, I would like to announce the release of Espirito Livre Magazine issue 30. The theme this month is: IT Certification. In this Magazine there are pages dedicated to LibreOffice and one of them is specially about the first anniversary. Download: http://goo.gl/5Emqs Kind regards -- Eliane Domingos de Sousa gtalk/skype: elianedomingos twitter: eliane_domingos identica/facebook: elianedomingos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-website] Changing donation URL on LibO homepage
Right now, I am looking into a company that is doing Polo shirts, with embroidered logos, for under $5 each. I will be buying some for testing how good they are, but with a different organization's logo on it. These will be for hand-outs using an internal raffle, so the low price is good. Hopefully the quality is good. So, if someone like me would order a number of polo shirts, and other items with the LO logo on them, then sells some, WHO is the USA person who does the marketing for this region. Who is in charge or tries to coordinate the shows that are in this region of the world? If someone earns money for the USA region with the idea of some of it going to USA/Canada marketing, who would be the person that would get the money to distribute it towards the marketing costs for the shows and events of this region? Now that there is a donation site being worked on for LO [International], I am wondering about regional marketing monies donations, when they come. On 10/03/2011 02:51 AM, Leif Lodahl wrote: 2011/10/3 Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org Hi, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-09-27 15:27: ...10 or more people wearing logo shirts with some great phrase about why you should switch to LO? People see it and might wonder what it is and then look it up at home, or come over to talk to one of the people wearing the shirts. .. having merchandise for the team members and for externals to buy is definitely on the agenda. We have already been looking into shop options, and having local NGOs producing and selling merchandise materials is also on our agenda. :) FYI I have been experimenting a little with http://libreoffice.spreadshirt.dk . The site is not public yet, but so far all revinue goes to the Danish community. Just takes some time, but definitely is an important part of marketing. Florian Cheers, Leif -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New Web Banner Proposals by Aleksandar (See)
Can we use them now? I sure will until there are final ones. I have been using the unbranded logo as a banner. On 09/26/2011 10:17 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Awesome - I love it, naturally :-) Thanks, S. On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:58, Aleksandar wrote: Hi all, Florian and Simon, thanks I am glad you like it. I added two new files with different text like Simon asked: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:See_banner_ss3b.png and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f0/See_banner_ss2b.png Feel free to take a look at my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See Once again, thanks for your feedback Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Simon Phippssi...@webmink.com On 25 Sep 2011, at 21:49, Christoph Noack wrote: Please check whether the banners are okay - marketing-wise. For feedback, please use either the marketing list (reply to this mail) or the design list. Since these banner closely follow our branding language (see later), I suggest to replace the older proposals with these new ones. So, please tell us whether everything fits (size, format, claim, ...) ... or not ;-) Comments appreciated... These are good work - thanks, See. Personally, I would change the order of the words. I would write: Power-packed personal productivity suite Free, libre and open source for Windows, Macintosh and GNU/Linux That makes the core descriptive text together and makes it strongly alliterative, puts the differentiating values on their own line and means that each line has a distinctive purpose. Cheers, S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New Web Banner Proposals by Aleksandar (See)
I think the light green letters are too light to easily read the text on the light background. Could use use a darker green color for the small text lettering? I would prefer to use that light background, if the text was darker so it was easier to read. I just added the dark green banner to the top of my personal page. I will do it for my free software page as well [soon]. I will replace it with the other one, once the small text lettering is easier to read. On 09/26/2011 11:48 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Can we use them now? I sure will until there are final ones. I have been using the unbranded logo as a banner. On 09/26/2011 10:17 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Awesome - I love it, naturally :-) Thanks, S. On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:58, Aleksandar wrote: Hi all, Florian and Simon, thanks I am glad you like it. I added two new files with different text like Simon asked: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:See_banner_ss3b.png and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f0/See_banner_ss2b.png Feel free to take a look at my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See Once again, thanks for your feedback Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Simon Phippssi...@webmink.com On 25 Sep 2011, at 21:49, Christoph Noack wrote: Please check whether the banners are okay - marketing-wise. For feedback, please use either the marketing list (reply to this mail) or the design list. Since these banner closely follow our branding language (see later), I suggest to replace the older proposals with these new ones. So, please tell us whether everything fits (size, format, claim, ...) ... or not ;-) Comments appreciated... These are good work - thanks, See. Personally, I would change the order of the words. I would write: Power-packed personal productivity suite Free, libre and open source for Windows, Macintosh and GNU/Linux That makes the core descriptive text together and makes it strongly alliterative, puts the differentiating values on their own line and means that each line has a distinctive purpose. Cheers, S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New Web Banner Proposals by Aleksandar (See)
The list seems to be the way people know or use the OSs. Windows have the biggest market. Windows users know about Mac systems. Most Windows users do not know what Linux is, and some Mac users may be that way as well. I do not know if there are more Mac users than any other OS based on a flavor of Linux, so I do not think they should be switched. So Windows, then Mac, then finally Linux. I keep forgetting about what GNU actually means. I forget such things a lot. Still I do not think many non-technical Windows users would want to use LO if Windows was was after Mac or Linux. That is just a psychological and marketing issue. So Windows goes first, then Mac, then Linux. For those of us who grew to hate Windows and now do not use it for their default systems, I see what you mean by putting Linux first. I have only a few friends and associates that use Linux or Mac. Most of them use Windows. Plus most of them use Vista. Vista is what made me hate Windows. It was an OS that should not have been put out, just like Windows ME. Win7 is what Vista should have been, according to all the tech articles I have read about Win7 before it came out. Of course Win8 is made for the tablet industry and can be made to work for the desktop and laptop market, though MS seems to think that those two markets are dead. Actually, I hope someone will make a version of LO that will work on a Android 2.2 tablet, but 256-MB RAM and a few gigs of flash drive storage does not make it easy to make a fully functional office package. I wonder how well Android's OfficeSuitePro reads/writes .docx and .xltx files? On 09/26/2011 07:24 PM, Lucas Filho wrote: Hello, I put like this: ...GNU / Linux, Macintosh and Windows ... Because Windows always has to appear first on the banners of Free Software? Até mais, Lucas Filho Open-Ce Tecnologias e Serviços http://www.open-ce.com.br Hazime - Art Digital http://hazime-ad.blogspot.com Imagem Pix - Curso de fotografia grátis http://imagempix.blogspot.com Agradecemos a Deus por tudo - Mensagem original - De: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Para: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 26 de Setembro de 2011 13:07 Assunto: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New Web Banner Proposals by Aleksandar (See) I think the light green letters are too light to easily read the text on the light background. Could use use a darker green color for the small text lettering? I would prefer to use that light background, if the text was darker so it was easier to read. I just added the dark green banner to the top of my personal page. I will do it for my free software page as well [soon]. I will replace it with the other one, once the small text lettering is easier to read. On 09/26/2011 11:48 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Can we use them now? I sure will until there are final ones. I have been using the unbranded logo as a banner. On 09/26/2011 10:17 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Awesome - I love it, naturally :-) Thanks, S. On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:58, Aleksandar wrote: Hi all, Florian and Simon, thanks I am glad you like it. I added two new files with different text like Simon asked: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:See_banner_ss3b.png and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f0/See_banner_ss2b.png Feel free to take a look at my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See Once again, thanks for your feedback Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Simon Phippssi...@webmink.com On 25 Sep 2011, at 21:49, Christoph Noack wrote: Please check whether the banners are okay - marketing-wise. For feedback, please use either the marketing list (reply to this mail) or the design list. Since these banner closely follow our branding language (see later), I suggest to replace the older proposals with these new ones. So, please tell us whether everything fits (size, format, claim, ...) ... or not ;-) Comments appreciated... These are good work - thanks, See. Personally, I would change the order of the words. I would write: Power-packed personal productivity suite Free, libre and open source for Windows, Macintosh and GNU/Linux That makes the core descriptive text together and makes it strongly alliterative, puts the differentiating values on their own line and means that each line has a distinctive purpose. Cheers, S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New Web Banner Proposals by Aleksandar (See)
for the small text lettering? I would prefer to use that light background, if the text was darker so it was easier to read. I just added the dark green banner to the top of my personal page. I will do it for my free software page as well [soon]. I will replace it with the other one, once the small text lettering is easier to read. On 09/26/2011 11:48 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Can we use them now? I sure will until there are final ones. I have been using the unbranded logo as a banner. On 09/26/2011 10:17 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Awesome - I love it, naturally :-) Thanks, S. On 26 Sep 2011, at 14:58, Aleksandar wrote: Hi all, Florian and Simon, thanks I am glad you like it. I added two new files with different text like Simon asked: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:See_banner_ss3b.png and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f0/See_banner_ss2b.png Feel free to take a look at my wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See Once again, thanks for your feedback Aleksandar 2011/9/26 Simon Phippssi...@webmink.com On 25 Sep 2011, at 21:49, Christoph Noack wrote: Please check whether the banners are okay - marketing-wise. For feedback, please use either the marketing list (reply to this mail) or the design list. Since these banner closely follow our branding language (see later), I suggest to replace the older proposals with these new ones. So, please tell us whether everything fits (size, format, claim, ...) ... or not ;-) Comments appreciated... These are good work - thanks, See. Personally, I would change the order of the words. I would write: Power-packed personal productivity suite Free, libre and open source for Windows, Macintosh and GNU/Linux That makes the core descriptive text together and makes it strongly alliterative, puts the differentiating values on their own line and means that each line has a distinctive purpose. Cheers, S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted
Tom, who gets to upload all the 180+ dictionaries that are out there [and on the LibreOffice-NA.US online version of its DVDs]? I see that there are the 4 French, an Italian, a Russian, plus maybe a few more when you look at all of the extensions online the list. You get only the French ones if you search for language aids/tools. I really think these dictionaries should be listed there tagged as language aids or tools. There are over 20 localized Spanish dictionaries to choose from. OOo has their dictionary list, where most of my list came from, so we should have our own list as well. On 09/15/2011 06:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, i think the idea is to test the site's uploading process to see if it's reasonably easy for people to use. If your templates and Extensions have not been through beta-testing yet then it might be good to write that in the description or as a comment or something so that when people download it they know it's a beta-testing version. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 15/9/11, KAMI911 KAMI911kami...@gmail.com wrote: From: KAMI911 KAMI911kami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 10:23 Hi, Should I upload templates and extensions for testing? KAMI 2011/9/14 Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de: Hi Kami, *, Am Dienstag, 13. September 2011, 17:33:27 schrieb Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai: Hi, I can provide Hungarian translation, as I did for OOo Extension site. there is already an Hungarian translation of the Plone framework available. I activated the language today. I hope that one of our native English speaker will look over the home pages of the extensions and templates and polish the text a bit. If that is done, we can start with the (free and good) translation into different languages. I make a note about your offer ;-) Any other thing that I can do for the Extension and templates site? Is it possible to mass upload templates/extensions? That's currently not posible. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted
Well since OOo's Extension site is offline, last time I checked, someone could take them from the LibreOffice-NA.US domain and upload them to LO's Extension site. Still, there should be a category called Dictionaries. That would make it easier for people to find them. Language Tools or Aids type of category might not work for some, plus not all of the currently uploaded dictionaries are found with that category. The Here are the Dictionaries type of category, like OOo has in their opening extension page, would make it much easier for people to find them. There are over 180 of them, so they should have their own category. Language Tool, Writer's Tools Writer Extras, Linguist, Pagination, and the other non-dictionary tools for helping you with writing your documents should be in a category apart from dictionaries, since there are so many dictionaries and so few of the writing aids that are not dictionaries. There may be 10 or a few more of these writing tools vs 180+ dictionaries. The 10 would get lost withing the 180. On 09/15/2011 10:36 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hopefully someone might find a way of doing that from 1 server (OOo's?) to another (LO's) rather than having to download to a desktop machine and then re-upload. Apparently right now there is no good way of doing bulk uploads/transfers but maybe after the site has been beta-tested? I don't have a clue. It's not my project and i wasn't involved at all. Something i wanted and made a fuss about a few months ago but never got involved with the work. I thought the idea had been killed off tbh until suddenly the announcement was being drawn-up. The project seems well planned and well implemented imo. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 15/9/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 14:53 Tom, who gets to upload all the 180+ dictionaries that are out there [and on the LibreOffice-NA.US online version of its DVDs]? I see that there are the 4 French, an Italian, a Russian, plus maybe a few more when you look at all of the extensions online the list. You get only the French ones if you search for language aids/tools. I really think these dictionaries should be listed there tagged as language aids or tools. There are over 20 localized Spanish dictionaries to choose from. OOo has their dictionary list, where most of my list came from, so we should have our own list as well. On 09/15/2011 06:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, i think the idea is to test the site's uploading process to see if it's reasonably easy for people to use. If your templates and Extensions have not been through beta-testing yet then it might be good to write that in the description or as a comment or something so that when people download it they know it's a beta-testing version. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 15/9/11, KAMI911 KAMI911kami...@gmail.com wrote: From: KAMI911 KAMI911kami...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 10:23 Hi, Should I upload templates and extensions for testing? KAMI 2011/9/14 Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de: Hi Kami, *, Am Dienstag, 13. September 2011, 17:33:27 schrieb Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai: Hi, I can provide Hungarian translation, as I did for OOo Extension site. there is already an Hungarian translation of the Plone framework available. I activated the language today. I hope that one of our native English speaker will look over the home pages of the extensions and templates and polish the text a bit. If that is done, we can start with the (free and good) translation into different languages. I make a note about your offer ;-) Any other thing that I can do for the Extension and templates site? Is it possible to mass upload templates/extensions? That's currently not posible. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Base - Backends bidding war?
People may need more than a month to do the coding work, with all the testing, etc.. But it would be interesting to see something like this being done. On 09/15/2011 11:40 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think there is an opportunity here. Effectively whichever back-end gets chosen will be getting a big publicity scoop. Even the runners-up could benefit from having tighter integration with Base and a stack of free publicity from the press as they hear about the competition / bidding-war. A competition that back-end projects could enter to improve how well Base works with their back-end. A few rules such as no creating new unsolved problems for other back-ends. The competition to run for maybe 1 month. Whoever wins gets the prize of being the new back-end for Base. Cash prizes for the top 3 would be superb but i don't see how we could do that. Is that something that could be well publicised in the press? I think we should invite various projects such as PostGreSql, SqlLite, HqSql and some of the heavier ones such as MariaDb, MySql but allow others to join in. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted
I was going to ask about Chinese spell checkers, but realized that glyph-based words/languages may not be suitable for spell checkers. Grammar and word use systems may be the only one for a computer-based document. I am glad I do not have to deal with a glyph-based language like Chinese or Japanese. The only good thing about single glyph based words/languages on a computer system is that you do not have the spelling issues that multi-character based words/language have. You have only the glyphs that are in you language font to deal with. Of course, you could use the wrong glyph thinking that is was the correct one for the word you wanted. I would be hard pressed to learn a glyph-based language. With my memory issues, I would never be able to remember which glyph was which. On 09/13/2011 12:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Some localisation teams are using the Alfresco system that was set-up by the Documentation Team. It might be worth joining the Documentation Team to find out more about Alfresco. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de wrote: From: Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 16:27 Hi, Am Dienstag, 13. September 2011, 02:27:30 schrieb Cheng-Chia Tseng: There is a big problem with LibreOffice Extensions and Templates site. Those two sites only provide 中文 (Chinese) as in Simplified Chinese, but do not provide Traditional Chinese. Can this be fixed up? Who can help us, Traditional Chinese users ,with this problem? there is currently no other language setting for Chinese available. If there are some volunteer for translatiion, I'm going to ask the Plone community about the translations process. If I remember correctly they use po-files for translation. Regards, Andreas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)
On 09/13/2011 04:50 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi David, all, David Nelson wrote (13-09-11 09:05) As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for contributors. Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? Looks a good idea to me. The goal is to make it attractive for developers, isn't it? Of course those people are not attracted by a just mail base list for their own. They can be attracted when the work is considered cool, technology wise interesting, some area they user for themselves, maybe important. At least, that is my first thought. So we should think about bringing that message across. Correct? Cheers, If we had more documentation for and people who really knows Base, it would be easier to sell LO to some businesses. I know a user that I had to add Office 2003 to his system since that was a deal breaker. He has all of the books and modeling work in data base formats and cannot live without Access. He created those DBs with MSO 97 and did not upgrade to MSO 2003 until he switched computers and could not find the install CD for '97. So unless LO can easily use Access files and reports and forms he created over the years, he will not go to LO, even thought he likes the idea behind LO and FOSS. So we really need to get more people to learn Base and ways for other to easily learn how to use it. Any ideas that helps that goal is greatly needed for my group of business users that need databases in their small businesses. That is the onlly real thing stopping them from switching over completely. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
You get LibreOffice people to be the local people. I know of a NY City company that needs a minimum of 4 items per order, and Drew knows a one-up company. Get local people involved to be the local/regional providers for the items. Trust them to provide a share/donation to LO. Since you would have to deal with individuals for the EU area for printing/shipping, you will need to find them in the other regions that would be the go-between for the orders. What guarantee do you have for people who will produce DVDs and actually donate part of the sales to LO? It is a matter of Trust. If I could do a business out of my government-subsidized apartment, I would sell copies of DVDs and LO items [polo shirts and such]. But I am limited in what I can do. If someone wants a DVD from me, I could ship one to him/her with a gift to cover me costs, but I could not sell them one [as far as I know]. I shipped a copy [or three] of the NA-DVD to a guy in Malta. He said he could help with the shipping costs. Whether or not he does provide me with it, it is up to him, but I could not sell him a copy of the DVD[s]. So it is a matter of Trust. Do you trust people in the different regions of the world to provide regional LO items and donate some of the income to TDF/LO? Do you trust someone in the next city or country that is your friend to do the same. It is all about Trusting people to do the right thing. If you want to know about the New York City company that I would use to print/embroider shirts, hats, etc., send me direct email off the list. On 09/04/2011 09:55 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: but how can we guarantee the local producers will give the share to TDF? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.**comhttp://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/**danishkanavinhttp://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] How to get donated money the TDF and Marketers?
This was brought up a few months ago, and I do not remember the answers. For those who will be selling copies of their distribution DVDs, or coffee mugs, tee-shirts, etc., there could be a listed line stating something like the following: A portion of this purchase is donated to The Documentation Foundation and Marketing teams to help the pay for the cost running their servers and the marketing items for the technology shows. Then there would be something saying about TDF/LibreOffice people and the marketers are all volunteers, and would benefit from donated funds to offset the cost of the marketing materials. So the question is, how do people who sell items, that are LO based, get the donations to TDF and/or get it into the hands of the marketing people to help offset the cost of doing business? Now that there is LibreOffice documentation for all the modules [except for Base] It may be the time to start looking into the process to sell the distribution DVDs [NA-DVD and others], plus any mugs, shirts, hats, etc., etc., that some individual or group will be offering. I think I remember seeing a donation statement on Drew's test merchandising page, Plus, I remember seeing it somewhere else. So, if Drew, and others, collect donations, where does it go and who gets it? NOTE: I do know that TDF/LO is in the process of chartering [making sure it is done completely and correctly for all the various government regulations involved], so there may not be an official TDF/LO banking account in their name till that is done. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to get donated money the TDF and Marketers?
On 09/01/2011 08:04 AM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: Hello. =) 2011/9/1 webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com This was brought up a few months ago, and I do not remember the answers. For those who will be selling copies of their distribution DVDs, or coffee mugs, tee-shirts, etc., there could be a listed line stating something like the following: A portion of this purchase is donated to The Documentation Foundation and Marketing teams to help the pay for the cost running their servers and the marketing items for the technology shows. Then there would be something saying about TDF/LibreOffice people and the marketers are all volunteers, and would benefit from donated funds to offset the cost of the marketing materials. So the question is, how do people who sell items, that are LO based, get the donations to TDF and/or get it into the hands of the marketing people to help offset the cost of doing business? Now that there is LibreOffice documentation for all the modules [except for Base] It may be the time to start looking into the process to sell the distribution DVDs [NA-DVD and others], plus any mugs, shirts, hats, etc., etc., that some individual or group will be offering. I think I remember seeing a donation statement on Drew's test merchandising page, Plus, I remember seeing it somewhere else. So, if Drew, and others, collect donations, where does it go and who gets it? NOTE: I do know that TDF/LO is in the process of chartering [making sure it is done completely and correctly for all the various government regulations involved], so there may not be an official TDF/LO banking account in their name till that is done. I'd like to include some other issues to this thread: 1 - Where/When/How will the accounting on this financial resources be publicly displayed, including donations made via TDF website? (This question was made by an young man who was watching my last lecture about LibreOffice) 2 - Most of people who really contribute to LibreOffice are willing to participate of great events like FISL, CONSEGI, Campus Party, and others (just to say some local events) and have no money to do it. Why can't they support their costs with such events obtaining resources from LibreOffice stuff they could sell? 3 - What will be the criteria to support local community representatives (i.e. the local marketing teams, events organization, marketing stuff, books printing, etc.) with part of those resources? Or are those resources only to support international activities or TDF (the organization) activities? 4 - Will money contributors have some kind of advantage than those who don't contribute with money? What should it be? How should it be? My questions are only to clarify some issues that certainly will arise in the near future. At least one of them has just arose in my last lecture and I couldn't answer to it objectively because I had no information on that. Cheers. Thanks for adding this. For me, getting the money to the proper people/group/marketers was what I was wondering about. All the processes, accountability, and such on TDF/LO and the Marketing side of the equation is out of my hands, but need to be defined. It is hard to do much officially when TDF/LO is still in the Chartering process, and that is a really complex process. [I know how it is in New York State, USA, and it must be at least as bad in the EU] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sorry for the break
On 08/12/2011 10:52 AM, Rajesh Sankar R wrote: Hello Friends, I am really sorry for the brake that I had. Met with an accident and just now recovering. I wanted to start a DVD project for India release just before I last disappeared, and now I want to continue it. Can you please tell me how to start and go about it? Feel free to contact me for information. I am the host for the North American Community DVD project at http://libreoffice-na.us/ We are also working on a version being hosted by the LibreOfficeBox people in Germany on a CMS system at http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/ If you would like, we can figure out a way for you to get all the files from the LibreOffice-NA.US site that you might want for your DVD project. One person questioned why a DVD instead of a CD. I assume that you want to have the Windows, Linux, and Mac, version of LibreOffice on your media, plus documentation, dictionaries, localized language packs, and anything else that your user base would want or need while using LibreOffice. That is what the NA DVD was based upon, what we though would be wanted/needed by our community of users. Since you are in India, you will want to decide the languages you want to write your instructions in. For our DVD we started with English, but we are working towards Spanish and French version in the future, since those are the three major languages in our region of the world. Yours languages will be a different group, but I would think there are a percentage of people who may want to have English as one of the secondary languages, while one or more of India's languages would be the primary ones used. Documentation for LibreOffice is currently in English, and it looks like in a few months that all parts of LibreOffice will have documentation online. So if you have people who would need non-English documentation, you might talk to the documentation writers about how someone goes about translating the current English documents to your needed local language[s]. If I remember you, from earlier questions, LibreOffice has language packs and dictionaries that would work for many of your users. That is always a great place to start. To be honest, I started creating DVDs to hand out to friends and family with all the software and documentation they would need for their computer use. That would be and Office Package, Browser and Email clients, and any other open source and free software I could find that they would use. Then, people in Germany created the first beta version of their distribution DVD, so I got involved in taking what that did and making something like it for the English speaking people. Theirs was in German. After that, it went and became a full fledged Community DVD project. To be honest, you should have people helping you edit your work and help to make it the best work that you can do. More eyes on the work find more of the potential errors and issues that may develop while you create you DVD project. So if you would like more info, or other resources, let me know on or off the list. Tim L. Elmira, New York, USA. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sorry for the break
On 08/12/2011 12:11 PM, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:00 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 08/12/2011 10:52 AM, Rajesh Sankar R wrote: Hello Friends, I am really sorry for the brake that I had. Met with an accident and just now recovering. I wanted to start a DVD project for India release just before I last disappeared, and now I want to continue it. Can you please tell me how to start and go about it? Feel free to contact me for information. I am the host for the North American Community DVD project at http://libreoffice-na.us/ We are also working on a version being hosted by the LibreOfficeBox people in Germany on a CMS system at http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/ Right - So - the first step would be to request a set of sites be created in the LibreOfficeBox domain. One site will be for building the disc image. The other site will be for distributing the iso image you create. You would then need to create an account at the LibreOfficeBox domain and your account will be give you access to the CMS (Content Mangaement System) administrative functions. At that point if you want to start by translating English pages, I would offer to move the pages from the north-america site to this new location. From there you can edit the text and remove packages that would not be suitable (an English grammer checker for instance). But really the question of DVD vs CD comes in here also - you could toss much of what is included in the North-America disc. If you would like, we can figure out a way for you to get all the files from the LibreOffice-NA.US site that you might want for your DVD project. Not really needed - they are already on the CMS system. One final note - please keep the conversation on-list. Thanks, Drew From the first emails he sent before his break, it did not look like he wanted to deal with an online DVD system, but I could be wrong. He may want to have a distribution DVD without the web site. Of he may now want to go the route of the CMS system. It is his choice on how he does his DVD. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] All hospitals in capital region goes Libre
Another 25,000 machines, and most likely more than one person will use many of those machines. 25,000+ more people exposed to LibreOffice, who might tell others, who might tell others, etc., etc.. And the people will add up more and more. Maybe some other companies, maybe the government agencies in Copenhagen, will hear about this and look into the possibility into switching themselves. That would be nice. On 08/09/2011 05:47 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Leif Lodahl wrote (09-08-11 14:42) Just for your information... Thanks for letting us know... Al hospitals in the capital region in Denmark (Copenhagen region) is dropping MS Office and will shift to LibreOffice. Its 25.000 users! The (very proud) Danish Team With right and reason - congratulations Leif! Cor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] for those who have trouble with time zones
Since LibreOffice is International, some people may have trouble with figuring out Time Zones. Just found this site that shows your local time and what time it is in other time zones. Could help some with marketing calls or something else. http://everytimezone.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] for those who have trouble with time zones
Yes, I have that too, once I set my location. The big thing is knowing what time it is in Europe and on the West coast of the USA. With the Eastern Standard time and Daylight Savings time, remembering what our Universal Time offset is a pain. Hawaii is 6 hours behind, California is only 3 hours behind London is 6 hours ahead and Hong Kong is 12 hours ahead. There is Eastern, Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones in the USA alone if you do not add Hawaii and Alaska into the mix. With the Standard and Savings times, London will be different times over the year. So knowing what time it is in Germany or farther east than that, may be needed by a few. Also, if you live in Europe, you may want to know what time it is in some part of the States. SO some people might like to have a site that will tell you the exact time in a major area of the world. I know that some people on the lists have suggested that. On 07/28/2011 10:20 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Nice one :) In linux using a Gnome DE i just click on the clock in my 'system tray' and it gives a map of the world showing which parts are in daylight and which are in night-time but it's only good as a rough indicator and only works if i know the rough locations of, for example, America or Spain. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com To: LibreO - Marketing Globalmarketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 14:53:28 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] for those who have trouble with time zones Since LibreOffice is International, some people may have trouble with figuring out Time Zones. Just found this site that shows your local time and what time it is in other time zones. Could help some with marketing calls or something else. http://everytimezone.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] voiceovers for LibOCon
On 07/20/2011 07:40 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I still have the offer from a speaker to do voice-overs for LibreOffice. So far, we didn't make use of it. :-) What just popped to my mind was: Would it be helpful to have some voice-overs for the LibreOffice Conference? Is there any place we could air them, or do we have any videos that still need some sound? Florian What could be done is make a slide show presentation with facts and information why people should use LibreOffice. Then make a video from that. Then we could have a voice-over doing his/her work so it is an audio/visual presentation. Once we have something like that, is could be used as a presentation video that could be downloaded and shown to those potential users who like info-mercial style of presentation to help choose LO as their office suite. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] voiceovers for LibOCon
Some local Deaf associations/groups volunteer to do the signing for free. Good catch on the signing issue and our deaf users/community. On 07/20/2011 10:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Actually it's usually in the foreground and often seems clunky because the words don't match the speakers lips. Some Deaf Culture events have a person on-stage reading the sign-language and speaking the words out loud for any non-deaf people that haven't learned to sign. At events aimed at non-deaf people there is occasionally someone standing off to stage-left signing what is spoken or sung. I really like the signing for clapping/cheering as it raises the energy of the event. Often voice-overs are aimed at English speakers because there is a good chance they can't understand any other language and don't know anyone that can help them/us. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 20 July, 2011 14:07:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] voiceovers for LibOCon Someone speaking things in the background of a video :) Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-07-20 13.54: Ahem... What's a voice over? -- Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice web button
Would you like to see a 3D effect so the image looks more like a button or a plaque, or something more flat? The images on the OOo page have rounded corners and a shadow image as if it is either floating above the page or is a thick object seen straight on so you do not see any edges. [http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/web_buttons/ooo20buttons.html] Would you like to see one of the branding logos turned into a 3D image? Give it a shadow line or something? I know there are people out there who can do that, and you should be able to do it too. You make one that looks right to you and propose it as your version of a link button/plague. I may do see what I can do myself. I use to make plagues and buttons out of photos and images, before I went to Ubuntu as my default system. Will have to see if I remember how to do it on the Windows laptop. On 07/17/2011 09:12 AM, Makoto Takizawa wrote: Thanks Tom and Lyle. I think web button is good web marketing tool. so I wanted to know it has done or not. I am going to watch into design mailing list. On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:40:09 +0100 (BST) Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It might be worth asking the Design Team if they have something. If they haven't i'm sure they could develop something. Perhaps you could try using the LibreOffice logo? The html coding is fairly straight-forwards and should be reasonably easy to adapt. If you want a hand please let me know. My email client messes up the line endings a bit but i would try something like this The img src bit with the OpenOffice one relied on their website being up and running. I would upload the button to your servers file-system and give it a name such as LibreOffice-button-2011-07-16-v1.png so that you know what it is and when you made it. I use a v1 at the end in case i have to modify the design and don't want to lose the original. Gif might be a better format as it tends to be lighter-weight. Png seems to require some fairly deep knowledge of image editing. I use Gimp for editing (it's free) but only do very basic stuff with it. It's much more powerful than i really need, even without add-ons/extensions for it. I've moved the title bit to the start rather than at the end just because i am more familiar with doing it that way around. It probably doesn't affect anything. It's just the tool-tips thing for when a mouse hovers over the button isn't it? I tend to try to have images about twice the size i really need them and then use width height to make the image the size i need. It seems to look better on the web-page that way. I'm not sure about the way they have done their border but i just left it alone. I tend to try to set it so that images such as logos and stuff have a decent space around them even if everything else goes wrong. I hope that gives a few ideas. The main thing is to contact the Design Team so that they can sort something out for the longer-term. Perhaps join in with their process :) Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Lyle Cochranlpc...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 July, 2011 2:14:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice web button HI Makoto, On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Makoto Takizawa fo...@openship.ivory.ne.jp wrote: hi all. Where can i get web button image like [1]? [1] http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/web_buttons/ooo20buttons.html l -- Makoto Takizawa @ Osaka , Japan Emailfo...@openship.ivory.ne.jp Twitterhttp://twitter.com/foral LibreOffice Forum: http://ja.libreofficeforum.org/forum/ Logos can be downloaded from the TDF wiki [1]. There is not a big selection for the community in general yet. Be sure to read and follow the branding guidelines. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding Regards -- Lyle Cochran www.bytepowered.org lpc...@gmail.com Ohio, U.S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing +h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing +h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice web button
Thanks Marc. I am not on the design list, and may not for the near future, since I already have too many emails to read on a daily basis already. 100-200 every day gets past my spam filters and into over 20 dedicated email folders within Thunderbird. I wondered if LO design people were going to create a button/plaque like OOo and other open-source software have for get our software links. I am just using the Logo Images that are referred to by the branding page[s]. I use several sizes of the LibreOffice logo on my http://www.lungstrom.com/ default page. Actually I need to update some of that page soon. Right now, on the software list page http://www.lungstrom.com/list/#thisoffice LibreOffice is the first one listed in the office suite and word processor section, showing 5 smiley faces for my software rating. I have downgraded OOo to a lower rating since March or April. With having a button/plaque/icon for LibreOffice, I could look into adding such an image to the text of the software, like I once did, and like what is done on the LibreOffice NA project pages showing icons for the type of file[s] linked next to it. On 07/17/2011 04:57 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I have left a note on the design list about this. You may want to watch that particular list for discussion on this. Otherwise, I'll report back if there are any that are created as in the OOo page. Cheers, Marc Le 2011-07-17 09:55, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : Would you like to see a 3D effect so the image looks more like a button or a plaque, or something more flat? The images on the OOo page have rounded corners and a shadow image as if it is either floating above the page or is a thick object seen straight on so you do not see any edges. [http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/web_buttons/ooo20buttons.html] Would you like to see one of the branding logos turned into a 3D image? Give it a shadow line or something? I know there are people out there who can do that, and you should be able to do it too. You make one that looks right to you and propose it as your version of a link button/plague. I may do see what I can do myself. I use to make plagues and buttons out of photos and images, before I went to Ubuntu as my default system. Will have to see if I remember how to do it on the Windows laptop. On 07/17/2011 09:12 AM, Makoto Takizawa wrote: Thanks Tom and Lyle. I think web button is good web marketing tool. so I wanted to know it has done or not. I am going to watch into design mailing list. On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:40:09 +0100 (BST) Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It might be worth asking the Design Team if they have something. If they haven't i'm sure they could develop something. Perhaps you could try using the LibreOffice logo? The html coding is fairly straight-forwards and should be reasonably easy to adapt. If you want a hand please let me know. My email client messes up the line endings a bit but i would try something like this The img src bit with the OpenOffice one relied on their website being up and running. I would upload the button to your servers file-system and give it a name such as LibreOffice-button-2011-07-16-v1.png so that you know what it is and when you made it. I use a v1 at the end in case i have to modify the design and don't want to lose the original. Gif might be a better format as it tends to be lighter-weight. Png seems to require some fairly deep knowledge of image editing. I use Gimp for editing (it's free) but only do very basic stuff with it. It's much more powerful than i really need, even without add-ons/extensions for it. I've moved the title bit to the start rather than at the end just because i am more familiar with doing it that way around. It probably doesn't affect anything. It's just the tool-tips thing for when a mouse hovers over the button isn't it? I tend to try to have images about twice the size i really need them and then use width height to make the image the size i need. It seems to look better on the web-page that way. I'm not sure about the way they have done their border but i just left it alone. I tend to try to set it so that images such as logos and stuff have a decent space around them even if everything else goes wrong. I hope that gives a few ideas. The main thing is to contact the Design Team so that they can sort something out for the longer-term. Perhaps join in with their process :) Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Lyle Cochranlpc...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 July, 2011 2:14:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice web button HI Makoto, On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Makoto Takizawa fo...@openship.ivory.ne.jp wrote: hi all. Where can i get web button image like [1]? [1] http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/web_buttons/ooo20buttons.html l -- Makoto Takizawa
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files?
As for a dictionary, if you download any of the dictionaries - say English - and use an Archive manager on it, you will see the .dic file. Extract that file and read it in a Text editor. You will find that the .dic files is mostly a list of words. There are other parts to that file and other parts to the dictionary file, but it is more like a list of words with a control feature for looking a a combination of letters and having a method of replacing those letters in the original word and seeing if the new combination is in the list of words. Or something like that. There has to be some documentation someplace on the controlling structures of a dictionary file. I know that there is method for making language packs in a native language. That seems to be one of the better design features that LibreOffice has over OpenOffice.org; an easier method to make localized versions. --- As for the ISO files; One of the main problems with the ISO files is finding a way to upload the files to the servers. I cannot upload them to my hosting account server, due to the file size. The same goes for emailing them to someone else. What I would need is an FTP account to upload the files to a server that can host the files. It can be a temporary folder to upload to, and then the owner of that account can move the ISO files to their final location. If I have to, I could archive all the files/folders to smaller .zip files and give a file/folder listing of where each .zip file needs to be unarchived into. Then the person can download all these separate .zip files and rebuild the folders and then use their own ISO maker software to make the needed ISO file. Then that person must make sure that the ISO file format will work on Windows, Linux, and Mac systems. I have been using ISO9660 image format - Rock Ridge, Joliet - since I was told that worked the best. When I used the default Windows/Linux format that K3b uses, the files and folders get either trunchated and/or all the characters in the names become uppercased. That will not work with the links withing the HTML pages. ISO9660 is the only one that seems to work well. I do not have any Mac systems, but the person I gave a copy to that has a Mac did not tell me that the DVD had any problems with her Mac system. So, the big issue, for me is two fold. Finding a server that will be able to host the ISO files, And getting the file to that server. Since I am not someone that can easily pickup more complex things like Rsync, it can be a problem on my end. With the damage from 3 strokes, sometimes I have difficulty doing simple things, while other time the complex things seem simple. FTP is still easy, since I use FileZilla. Other method may be much harder for me to get up-to-speed with. I am very limited at using the Linux Terminal commands, even though I have been using Ubuntu as my default system for about 16+ months now. There are a lot of people who tell me that their server accounts will work. The problem is getting the ISO files to them. Actually my hosting account has unlimited bandwidth and 100 GB of file storage, but I found out when I tried to upload a 3.4 GB file that my account has the limits on the size of the individual file itself. Other have been able to upload DVD to Sourceforge, but I was not successful doing so. The page on using Rsync to upload to my account was not clear enough for me to use. But maybe it will become clearer, somehow. On 07/15/2011 12:18 PM, Warren Camilleri wrote: I could host some images on my hosting service on google apps-sites since i have ublimited bandwith and not only that i am working on oss and promoting it locally to the maltese islands just would like to find a dev to help me on coverting a language and dictionery as ms failed at making one -- Warren Camilleri Founder of Open Source Society Malta On 12 Jul 2011 15:05, Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote: 2011/7/12 Simos Xenitellissimos.li...@googlemail.com On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 9:40 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files? I was thinking that seems the only place that may allow these large files to have a home for sharing. I want to have a place that could be a home for the LibreOffice DVD ISO files so they can be shared with others who can download and burn DVDs. If you can get the files on the LibreOffice distribution servers, then they are automatically replicated around the world to the different LibreOffice mirrors. I think this would be the straightforward solution. One thing you can do is provide a list of the files in the ISO, along with filesize. I am interested to see what exactly is inside the ISOs. If you already created a Wiki page for this, please direct me to it. My hosting company will not allow files larger than 700+ MB and the two DVD versions [3.3.3 and 3.4.1]
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files?
To get the ISO files onto the LibreOffice servers, I would have to have a FTP account, since that is the only way I know of that I can upload such a large file anywhere. I do not think they will offer me one, even to a 1-folder account made for that purpose only. As for your unlimited statement, well I have unlimited bandwidth/traffic and 100 GB of file storage on my hosting account. The problem is no hosting, or file sharing, account I can find will allow the uploading of a DVD size file. I have tried Rapidshare and others like it, but no one will allow such a large file size to be uploaded onto their servers. I agree with you. We need to get the ISOs online for people to download and burn for their own use. The LibreOfficebox.org site has a CMS system and our 3.3.3 Windows-Linux-Mac pages are being re-created/re-edited to fit their system. Then, so I have been told, that system will automatically create an ISO file which will be accessible for download. That will be done in mid-August, hopefully. That site has different formatting constraints so the pages on that system and its generated ISOs will look a little different but will have the same information. It would be nice to have a place for others to show off their version of a distribution DVD, without needing to create them with the CMS system, but right now I do not know of a place who will host these .iso files. Right now I have 4 DVDs ready for uploading their .iso files for sharing. Hopefully be late August, a version of these DVDs will be found through the CMS system LibreOffice has at the LibreOfficebox.org project. But it would be wonderful to have the DVDs that the North American Community DVD project has created outside of the CMS system. We have done a lot of hours of work on them. They are finished except for the updating of the files as they become available. The DVD was started just before 3.3.1 came out. The the 4 main French dictionaries have been updated twice since then, along with some of the German and others. The documentation page has been updated every time I see another .odt/.pdf book has become available. When the 3.4.x line came out, it was added as a separate set of DVDs [Windows-Linux-Mac, and Windows-only]. We are working on Spanish and French translation of the DVDs, but it look like they will not be finished for a bit and will be offered off of the CMS system, and not the LibreOffice-NA-US http://libreoffice-na.us/ testing portal site that I host on my hosting provider account. - If you want to see what files are in the ISO file of one of our DVDs, go to http://libreoffice-na.us/ and look at the 3.3.x and the 3.4.x options. The links in their pages shows what is in the DVDs, since that testing portal is the online version of the DVD[s] with all the same files and folders. The Wiki for the DVD is not up-to-date. For those who need the complete file list of one of our current DVDs, as Simos asked for, here is a link to a PDF file with the dir/s piped listing of the contents of the 3.3.3 Windows-Linux-Mac DVD that is shown in the pages at http://libreoffice-na.us/English/index.html http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd__3.3.3__file-list.pdf It is 33 landscape pages. The DOS listing has issues with some of the characters in the Spanish dictionary listings. If it is not shown on the US English keyboard, the DOS dir command uses a special ? character as a replacement. There are 1024 files and folders [according to the properties command]. I have listed the dictionary section .oxt files with the date[s] of the internal .dic file[s] or other file that is the information used by LibreOffice to do the spell checking and other work. For the 4 main French dictionaries, the .dic files are dated; version 4.0 - 2010-08-01, version 4.1 - 2011-03-27, and version 4.2 - 2011-07-04 for the last update. Some .dic files in the dictionary list are as old as 2003, while most seem to be 2008 or newer. Let me know if there is something you need to know about that file list. Simos - if you wish to discuss something off the list you can use the following email addresses; webmas...@krackedpress.com the email used for this list [my Kracked Press Productions is a closed for business since I had to retire after a stroke] webmas...@libreoffice-na.us the webmaster email for the testing portal. On 07/12/2011 03:56 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 9:40 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files? I was thinking that seems the only place that may allow these large files to have a home for sharing. I want to have a place that could be a home for the LibreOffice DVD ISO files so they can be shared with others who can download and burn DVDs. If you can get the files on the LibreOffice distribution servers, then they are
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files?
Rapidshare does not allow DVD size files. My account works with the Windows exe install files, but it will not upload DVD size files. On 07/11/2011 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 Using TDF servers still doesn't get around the upload speed problem but it would makes sense to store the images there? Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 11 July, 2011 14:08:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Has anyone used RapidShare for sharing ISO files? On 07/11/2011 03:49 AM, Erich Christian wrote: Hi Tim, Am 09.07.2011 20:40, schrieb webmaster for Kracked Press Productions: Does anyone have any suggestions on low-cost or free places to share these LibreOffice ISO files? What about using our own servers?? ;-) cheers Erich It is the upload connection speed. It takes up to 9 hours to upload a DVD size file using my type of broadband connection. Great download speeds, slow uploads. So having a server on my end does not work. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Next North American Community meeting -- Monday July 11, 2011 Time: 22:00UTC OR 18:00 NewYork time.
OK 6pm New York time. Anything you want me to have in front of me? Any statics? On 07/10/2011 04:42 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi everyone As Tim will be doing a report to on the NA DVD project, the meeting will be held at 22:00h UTC OR 18:00h NewYork time. This will also allow Italo to participate in the discussion. To view your regional time, just use the dropdown menu on the Doodle poll page[1]. You can also see read the previous meeting minutes as well as the July11th notes on the wiki pages[2] Cheers Marc [1] http://www.doodle.com/95zp4qh8zar2krq2 [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/North-American-Community/meetings#Date:_July_11.2C_2011_.28Time:_22:00UTC_OR_18:00_NewYork_Time.29 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing ConCall minutes up on wiki
On 07/06/2011 09:37 AM, C. Olofson wrote: On 07/06/2011 06:23 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 07/06/2011 04:48 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-07-05 05:50, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote on 2011-07-04 21.32: The minutes of today's LibreOffice Marketing team ConfCall has been posted on the wiki[1]. thanks a lot for drafting the notes, much appreciated! I've just uploaded the audio recording as well. Florian Thanks Florian for doing this also. I have also left a note on the ES and FR lists about the minutes and mp3. I had forgotten to warn these groups of the meeting. I'll try not to do this again next time. Cheers Marc Marc Could you give a URL? I am having problems finding that page. Here you go: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls#July_4.2C_2011_.28Time:_1600UTC.29 From that Page: Drew: NA Windows only disc is available on Tim's server and later on LibreOfficeBox, also could go to other non-Linux conferences; we could work on international Windows version. Well, I have a Windows-only version I have been working on, but there seemed to be no interest in it. I have not kept it as up-to-date as the Win/Linux/Mac version of the NA test on the LibreOffice-NA.US http://libreoffice-na.us portal. If there is an interest, I will make sure all the files are up-to-date with 3.3.3 downloads and the most up-to-date dictionaries. The French ones were just updated on July 4th. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] new domain suffix rules so we could have a .libro domain suffix if we paid big bucks
There are new domain suffix rules so if LibreOffice could have a .libro domain suffix, but it is very expensive. $185,000. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110620/D9NVMEF80.html Maybe one day it would be lower costing, like .com or .org. I wonder which country has the .lo domain suffix? It would be interesting to have that suffix since LO is one of the abbreviations for LibreOffice. The article stated it took 6 years to decide this new rule[s]. There are over 300 domain suffixes, with the bulk being country codes. The article stated that suffixes like .apple, .ipad, .lego and other business or product names could be used, as long as there is not trademark or copyright infringement. .bank and .hotel could be used for those type of businesses. Well after the powers-that-be approved .xxx for a domain suffix, this move to business and company name suffixes was the next step. So what do you think? Would it be a great marketing tool to have a LibreOffice domain suffix? I know that .TV is being used for marketing and that domain is for a small island government. I wonder which country uses .lo and would registration of that .lo suffix would be possible at all. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] new domain suffix rules so we could have a .libro domain suffix if we paid big bucks
On 06/21/2011 09:54 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/21/11 3:30 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: So what do you think? Would it be a great marketing tool to have a LibreOffice domain suffix? I know that .TV is being used for marketing and that domain is for a small island government. I wonder which country uses .lo and would registration of that .lo suffix would be possible at all. .lo does not exist .li Lichtenstein .lt Lithuania .lu Luxembourg .lv Latvia Too bad. That was an idea though. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me
Actually, the dictionary list did not have en_GB there when we started, since the OOo dictionary list did not have one. I found it only a few weeks ago and added it to the NA dictionary list. I just checked. OOo's list still does not have en_GB, but they have: 1] Engligh Chemistry Dictionary 2] English English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support 3] English (Australian)English Australian Dictionary 4] English (Canadian) Canadian English Spell Checking, Hyphenation and Thesaurus 5] English (New Zealand)English New Zealand Dictionary 6] English (South African) South African English spell checking dictionary 7] English (US) US English Spell Checking Dictionary -- NA has: - 1 ] English (Australian) English Australian Dictionary 2 ] Australian-medical-dict---en-au-med2008-07-01 3 ] English (Canadian) Canadian English Spell Checking, Hyphenation and Thesaurus 4*] English (Great Britain) English-British en-GB-oed 2005-06-13 5 ] English (New Zealand) English New Zealand Dictionary 6 ] English (South African) South African English spell checking dictionary 7 ] English (US)US English Spell Checking Dictionary 8*] US English with a .dic file dated April 19 2011 9*] English-US-Medical-openmedspelApril-22-2008 Chemistry Dictionary over 105,000 words 10] Multi localized version Australian, Canadian, Great Britain, New Zealand, US English dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support -- 2010-02-15 thru 2010-03-09 contains words from the following dictionaries, etc.: en_AU, en_CA, en_GB, en_US, en_ZA, hyphen_GB, hyphen_US, thesaurus_GB/US * - not found on the OOo dictionary list. --- I would like to show the date of the dictionary .dic file with the dictionary information showing which one is the most up-to-date. The default English dictionary files[s] is several years old. I found a .dic file from this year so I created a updated one that could be used. English (Great Britain) English-British en-GB-oed 2005-06-13 This en_GB dictionary has it's .dic file [i.e. word list] dated for June 2005. There must be a word list out there that is more up-to-date. I did find an unabridge dictionary word list that has about 213,550 words in it. I have not looked at it to see if they made sure the words that must begin with a capital letter is capitalized. I also have word lists with common sir names and a few that have only male and female names in them. I have one that has Bible words and another one with movie character names, actor's names, etc., etc.. It would be nice to produce our own dictionaries with word lists that are not currently covered. I wonder how many people would want one that has words, and maybe names, that are in the Christian Bible? Many of those words are not part of the modern English language, since the most common versions of the Bible has language used before 1600, I believe. It would be mice to have a word list that is for other Science areas instead of just Chemistry. I know that there was a person looking for Science related dictionaries, a few months ago. Besides Chemistry and Medical ones, Latin was the only other one that could be Science based, or used in Science. I do have a US English names .oxt file that was produced a few years ago. It was dated October 2008, but common names do not change much or many new ones. Of course, my last name is not in the list, or any of the common variations of it. Maybe it is just Great Britain origin, not ones that have [other?] European origins. On 06/17/2011 04:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Don't be sorry about finding it. I was just about to look for it but you saved me the couple of clicks it would have taken. I use it without really thinking about where i got it from Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Rajesh Sankar Rrajesh301...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 16 June, 2011 18:02:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me I am sorry I did find a English(UK) dictionary. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rajesh Sankar Rrajesh301...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Tim, I did have a look at the DVD contents. The dictionary contains almost all the major languages in India. I guess it must be enough. I would like to receive the archive containing the CSS and images. I would also like to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me
This is the one I have. http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/English-British--en_GB-oed2005-06-13.oxt You can create whatever graphics and artwork that you would like for your version of the DVD. We have our own artwork for the disc label and the DVD cover and inserted paperwork. You can do yours, your own way. Here are the folders needed for the PIC and THEME files used within the HTML files http://libreoffice-na.us/English-CSS-folders.zip Here are the HTML files to look at http://libreoffice-na.us/English-HTML.zip You can use these file as the guide for your version of a DVD, or web site. Right now it is about 16:03 US Eastern time It will be another hour or less when these ZIP files are uploaded, since they are in the list after the 3.3.3 files are uploaded to the NA web pages. If you want to contact me directly, you may do so at webmas...@krackedpress.com or webmas...@libreoffice-na.us On 06/16/2011 12:27 PM, Rajesh Sankar R wrote: Hi Tim, I did have a look at the DVD contents. The dictionary contains almost all the major languages in India. I guess it must be enough. I would like to receive the archive containing the CSS and images. I would also like to confirm with you if I can create an unique DVD book art, and CD art. Here in India we use English(UK), I would like to know if there is a dictionary on English(UK). On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:19 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: snip -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me
As far as I know, NA site had not been branded, yet. But since they wanted the files so they could use the format that NA is doing, it was less effort for them to deal with the theme and style than it was for me to start the NA version from the German language page[s]. On 06/16/2011 04:57 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Can create their own labels, cover and paper-work as long as they stay within the branding guidelines or is there a process of getting them proof-read and agreed? I know getting the first set done was quite traumatic because all the issues had to be sorted out from scratch. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 16 June, 2011 21:08:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me This is the one I have. http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/English-British--en_GB-oed2005-06-13.oxt You can create whatever graphics and artwork that you would like for your version of the DVD. We have our own artwork for the disc label and the DVD cover and inserted paperwork. You can do yours, your own way. Here are the folders needed for the PIC and THEME files used within the HTML files http://libreoffice-na.us/English-CSS-folders.zip Here are the HTML files to look at http://libreoffice-na.us/English-HTML.zip You can use these file as the guide for your version of a DVD, or web site. Right now it is about 16:03 US Eastern time It will be another hour or less when these ZIP files are uploaded, since they are in the list after the 3.3.3 files are uploaded to the NA web pages. If you want to contact me directly, you may do so at webmas...@krackedpress.com or webmas...@libreoffice-na.us On 06/16/2011 12:27 PM, Rajesh Sankar R wrote: Hi Tim, I did have a look at the DVD contents. The dictionary contains almost all the major languages in India. I guess it must be enough. I would like to receive the archive containing the CSS and images. I would also like to confirm with you if I can create an unique DVD book art, and CD art. Here in India we use English(UK), I would like to know if there is a dictionary on English(UK). On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:19 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: snip -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] French Ministries will migrate to LibreOffice
Could there be a page or two that would have announcements like this displayed? Having articles is fine, but having a list of paragraphs that have statements of governments, agencies, corporations, educational facilities, etc., etc., that have decided to use LibreOffice [or at least Open Source software or the ODF file format] would be great for marketing or sales of LibreOffice to local groups, companies, government agencies, schools, etc., etc.. If we have a list of these organizations that have gone over to LibreOffice, then it would be an easier sell for our local organizations, or such, to switch over to LibreOffice from MSO. Showing them that these governments, large educational facilities, large corporations, have switched may make it seem a better option to switch. With the corporate partners, using these names will help. If we can say Google is on the Advisory Board or another company is a sponsor of LibreOffice, it will be good. They use Google and if Google thinks LibreOffice is a good enough, or great enough, package that Google would be on the board for LibreOffice, then it might make sense for them to try our package. All these press releases about who is now using LibreOffice, who is switching to it, or who is on a board or committee that is a company name that is big enough for them to know, COULD help will our marketing press. I see not easy link on the LibreOffice Home Page to take a person to a In the Press Page. I know there is a page with a listing of articles about LibreOffice, but it should have a link from the home page. Then there also should be a page containing these announcements like Corporate Advisors or French Government agencies switching to LibreOffice. We need to make it easy for potential users to find this information, by linking it from the home page. This is something I have seen with other software web sites. SO do anyone on this list thinks having these announcements and such easily listed/linked off from the home page is a good idea? On 06/15/2011 09:41 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Lyle, *, Lyle Cochran schrieb: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-14 10.32: So you have to read French to understand it. This is not a PR (they don't write PR), and it's a small, magical sentence at the bottom of the page: basically the french ministerial coordination group for Open productivity suites now recommends to switch away from MS Office and OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualisation_interministérielle_pour_une_bureautique_ouverte excellent news! I've just tweeted it :) Florian If the page translated correctly, it appears that the ministerial group is waiting for CD/DVDs in .iso format for downloading. This may indicate an easy to find and download CD/DVD .iso may also be an important tool for distribution among other governmental entities and businesses. The infrastructure for this is already in place: http://fr.libreofficebox.org/ it definitly needs some care! ;o)) More Great news for LibO! indeed :o) Gruß/regards -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me
You might want to look at what the North American Community DVD Project is working on. We took the idea that was started by the German group and modified it for the North American region. Right now we have English-only, Spanish-only [alpha testing], with French-only being worked on offline. We have our primary Windows/Linux/MacOSX DVD plus a Windows-only DVD. This is the link to the English 3.3.2 DVD testing pages http://libreoffice-na.us/English/index.html This is the link to the main portal page where you can look at what it being worked on that is being tested online. http://libreoffice-na.us/ We have the 3.3.2 install version of our DVD[s], and working on a 3.4.x DVD as well. We have the Install files, Documentation, Extensions and Dictionaries, Templates, Artwork and Galleries, plus some extra software packages. This may give you an idea of what can be done for a DVD. If you want to use the same format as we do, which is based off the original DVD style from the Germans, we can send you archives of the needed files and folders for the CSS and images. You might want to look at the dictionary list we have. The large list, below the small one, has as many dictionaries I could find. Since there are many languages and dialects in India, I hope there are a few in this list that would be helpful for the students of your college. As far as I have been told, or read, there are ways to create simple dictionaries from word lists. So if you need a dictionary for a language/dialect, all you need to start is a large enough word list. There should be enough documentation online, somewhere, to give you the information to go from that point. http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict Let me/us know what you think. Tim Lungstrom webmaster, and lead DVD editor for the North American Community DVD Project dedicated to Canadian, US American, Mexican, Latin American users [north to south]. On 06/14/2011 10:54 AM, Rajesh Sankar Iyer wrote: Hey Tom, I need an information about the DVD idea. I am the Vice-President of my a club in my college. We organize a lot of programs where we bring students from all over the state together for sharing their ideas on their field. I would like to know if I can distribute CD's containing installation file of LibreOffice along with the user guide? If yes, then can I charge them the CD cost alone? On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, welcome in. Mostly people like to post at the bottom of threads which might take a while to get used to. There are quite a few plans here to produce localised Dvds of LibreOffice to distribute at conferences and such-like. Some people even try to sell them in order to raise funds to make that a more sustainable venture and/or to give a percentage back to TDF. There might be some good ideas for what to include on a Dvd. Good luck and welcome in Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 8:13:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Introduction about me Hello, Rajesh Sankar Iyer wrote on 2011-06-13 19.32: My name is Rajesh Sankar.R. I am a final year student of Chemical Engineering at Adhiyamaan College of Engineering, Hosur, India. I have just joined the marketing mailing list, and I would like to contribute actively. My college consists of more than 5000 students and staffs. Almost all of them are using MS Office as their default productivity suite. The main reason is that many are unaware of the capability of the opensource suites like LibreOffice. Previously I was using OpenOffice.org and suggested to many of my friends and classmates. Some of them did shift to OpenOffice.org. Now I would like to take up the job of promoting LibreOffice in my college as much as I can. I would like to join hands with the team and deliver as much as I can. thank you very much for your introduction, and welcome to the community - it is good to have you with us! This is the main marketing mailing list, so you have arrived at the right place. :-) Just lurk around for a few days to see how things are going and what we do, and soon you will feel comfortable and home. Should you have time, I'd also like to invite you to the marketing conference call on June 22nd: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls Again, welcome, great to have you on the show! Florian -- Florian Effenbergerflo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
The only problem I had with the BrOffice online magazine was there was no English Translation. Maybe if the idea of an International LibreOffice online magazine was in several of the common languages, like English, French, German, Spanish, etc., besides Brazil's Portuguese THEN it would be more International than what BrOffice's publication was. I would love to see a publication, in many languages, that showcased LibreOffice world wide. Have news about what countries and multinational companies are moving away from MSO and towards LibreOffice. Maybe with such a publication, in many languages, some organizations, governments, etc., etc., would look at LibreOffice as a more serious player in the office suite market, let alone the Open Source's office suite market. On 06/14/2011 08:42 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tom, for your lucid words. To understand the whole issue about BrOffice gate need much more than the arrogance of some leaders. Regards, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) There is a lot of extreme emotion about this area. BrOffice seems to have been excellent for many years, gained a good reputation, good people and did great work. Inevitably any large community will have misunderstandings and different people heading in different directions but all believing they are doing the best for the whole community. Sometimes people are too enthusiastic and haven't noticed what already exists or how their ideas might already be being implemented. I think it's best to guide people into what is already going on so that they can channel their enthusiasm in a positive direction. The post that sparked this controversy was clearly not written in the person native language so the misunderstanding should be easier to clarify on Brazilian lists. Most of the good stuff about BrOffice seems to have merged into the wider community here at TDF in the LibreOffice community. It has enriched the wider community considerably. Most of the good people are here now, and the structures, websites, the passion and so on. It does still retain a unique identity even if the name has changed. It's influencing the wider community too now :) Regards from Tom :) From: luizh...@gmail.comluizh...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 15 June, 2011 0:53:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. I'll try to explain. Once again we are faced with an issue which is not applicable to the TDF and marketing list. This a internal question. Although I do not believe that TDF is so alienated. Did not take the death of BrOffice.org. That still leaves the death of the BrOffice magazine and any semblance of this ill-fated brand. I did not believe it would come back, but came back! I end my participation here this theme because I believe the list does not deserve this kind of discussion. Brazil, show your face .. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoliitalo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting
On 06/09/2011 04:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/9/11 3:07 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Links to articles are just FYI, and are not supposed to start another discussion. They express opinions of journalists and companies, and reflect outside perceptions. It is rather important to know them, but I don't see any reason to comment here, as the journalists are not reading. OK I thought you wanted comments on what they stated. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting
On 06/08/2011 05:05 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Brian Proffitt http://www.itworld.com/software/172393/plea-save-openofficeorg-apache mentioning http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 Steven Vaughan-Nichols http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/libreoffice-motors-right-along-with-a-new-release/9048 I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Something does not make sense to me. Is he for and against the vote being yes or no. I have not sure who is voting and on what. Is it that OOo is going to Apache or is it the license issue[s]? Some of the blog's list seems to swing both ways. I just do not know what is actually being said. For me, I did not know about the Java vs. Python issues between OOo and LO. Since I have been out of the programming field for many years, I do not know why Python might be the better way of dealing with the code base for LO instead of using Java. So beyond the people who can tell me why it was done, it would make sense for the future of sharing code between the two projects to use the same coding resources. The thing to me is that LO coders have done a lot of things to fix the code that Oracle [and maybe Sun] could not do with their paid people. You cannot pay people to rewrite the old code and still see it as progress in the project's development. If you are not being paid, you will look at the old code and say this is where some problems are and it need to be fixed, so it is now going to be fixed. So LO coders have recoded parts of what came from OOo and made it better. They are still doing this, along with adding to the suite. That is what I found so interesting with some of the early articles about the difference between OOo 3.3.0 and LO 3.3.0. TDF/LO fixed a lot of things that Oracle/OOo did not bother to do and still TDF/LO put out a better version and sooner than Oracle/OOo did. TDF/LO is still working to put out a better product as well as fixing all that code that was not worth fixing and was what other parts of the suite was built upon. The old saying of building a house on a foundation of sand is a good one. TDF/LO are working on replacing the foundation of sand with something that is more solid. That is what I understand is the real benefit of TDF/LO over Oracle/OOo and that is what I wonder about for the Apache/OOo work to come. Will Apache want to spend the time, money, and manpower to fix the foundation[s] of OOo code the way TDF/LO has done and will continue to do. How long will house fall down and crash if the foundation is not made more solid? Then there is fact that if TDF/LO continues to take the market share away from OOo, how long will Apache want to continue with it. Oracle sure dumped OOo quickly when articles announced that LO was better than OOo and most Linux distros went with LO as their default over OOo, which was the default for how many years? My opinion is that if Apache does not put the manpower [i.e. a lot of money] into their OOo project, it will die a bad death. But, what company can spend its manpower, even if it is free, on one more project that takes it away from their core project/product. TDF only project/product is LO and all its resources, manpower and money, is dedicated to making this project the best office suite it can be. Apache has other projects that are more important to it than OOo. That can be a bad thing. So, for me, I went from OOo to LO and am doing all I can to get people to switch to it. I think it is a better product. I think it is the right thing to do by fixing the old code that other code may use or need, and get rid of the code that no longer is used but still in the lines of code that is used in the compiling process. It could have been great if LO got OOo's branding so LO could continue on with making LO better and better and bring OOo along with all that better coding being shared back and forth freely and easily. In the end, if LO and OOo end up unable to share all of its fixes and advances, one of the suites will end up far behind. I do not think it will be LO. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools
On 06/07/2011 08:54 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I thought that you could have different paragraphs (or smaller elements) set as a different language in Word or Writer. Regards form Tom :) The problem was the last time I used Word, I could not spell check any non-English document I was trying to deal with when I had to type in a Spanish document from the books the teacher had, so the students would have some more work after the work the teacher provided ran out and they needed more work to do. The key is easy way to spell check a Spanish paragraph or section withing a English document. The easier it is, and the more languages you can use without having to buy extra stuff [like a Spanish version of MSO], the better the teachers, the students, and the school's budget will like it. That is why I loved to see the language packs were all you needed to download so you could have a single package that could use several different languages for the menus, and as many other languages that can be spell checked that is not the language used for the menu. Keeping the lab computers set with Windows, and having the ability to spell check all the languages being taught in school is something the users of the labs would like a lot. Now if only the kids would not be able to switch the menus from English. - Original Message From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 12:12:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools On 06/07/2011 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hopefully Jean's answer at the top, just under this reply, might have the answer. Good luck and regards from Tom :) Thanks, I am not on the Documentation list. Chapter 3, Page 22-23 I missed that, but I was going through the full book of 0200WG3-WriterGuide.odt. What I want to describe to the IT people and the Language teachers is how the students can use LibreOffice to type up and spell check their assignments. They may have English and Spanish/French/German, which ever language they are studying, in the same document. I wanted to show them that they can easily do the spell checking in several languages in the same document. As far as I can tell, you cannot do this in MSO. I want the local schools to have LibreOffice as an option for their computers, and have the students be able to download a copy for their home computers. I would love to have the language teachers tell their students about LibreOffice, but I need to somehow get the message to the students about LibreOffice as their option over having to deal with MSO. How may of these students will be asking for new computers so they would have LibreOffice for free instead of buying a copy of MSO for that new computer. It is too late to start a campaign for those students going to college this summer/fall. On the page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibreOffice_In_Academia we need to get more info there about using the package for grades 7-12, not just college level students. There should be more info, like the multi-language option for the student taking language classes. New York requires two years of non-English language classes to be able to graduate. - Original Message From: Jean Weber To: documentat...@libreoffice.orgdocumentat...@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 0:22:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools I think this info, with screenshots, is in Chapter 3, Working with Text, in the Writer Guide, but I could be misremembering the chapter. It definitely is in the Writer Guide somewhere, because I remember writing it! Tom, I believe he is asking about the way to mark certain passages as one language or another, which is not automatic. Once the passages are marked, the spelling checker knows which language to use and does so automatically. Jean On 07/06/2011, at 3:15, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone happen to know an answer for Webmaster at KrackedPress? I don't think he is on this list but he might be. I thought that it would just happen automatically? Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 18:15:32 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools Does anyone know where in the documentation where the LanguageFor Selection option is explained? I am looking to write up a sheet that explains spell checking a document with English and either Spanish, French, or German, text included. I
[libreoffice-marketing] do you know where is the documentation is . . . for marketing it to schools
Does anyone know where in the documentation where the LanguageFor Selection option is explained? I am looking to write up a sheet that explains spell checking a document with English and either Spanish, French, or German, text included. I cannot find this info anywhere. I want to use that information as a marketing point for the local school districts to use LibreOffice in their computer labs for students working on papers for their language classes. I would rather use the text and images already created, than making up such information myself. I lost much of my writing skills with my last two strokes. Since I use to work for one of the local school districts before I had the stroke, I know that having such an ability would be a good feature to market to the IT people and somehow get the information into the hands of the language teachers. So If anyone has seen where this feature is explained, I need to know. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Additional Platforms - 3rd Party Support Pamphlet
Marc, I wish I had someone like you helping out with my college papers. After I married, my wife helped some, but with her affected by Alzheimer's I do not have any to help me with writing [i.e. grammar, etc.] my documents. Between Dyslexia and the strokes, I lost much of the abilities I had. So thanks Marc for finding the grammar, and other writing, issues with the paperwork Drew and other are working on for LibreOffice Marketing. On 05/26/2011 11:02 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Drew Le 2011-05-26 10:36, drew a écrit : Hi Marc, et al Pushed new copies to the wiki just now http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO-Pamphlet-platforms-support.pdf or for the ODF file... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO-Pamphlet-platforms-support.odt Nice work! Comments, quite a few: p.2 panel 1 The free power-packed, Open Source personal oductivity suite for: -- missing productivity p.2 panel 1 Designed to address your ... page. -- a run on sentence that is too long. The word whether needs an or somewhere to complete it. This paragraph should be reworked. p.2 panel 1 LibreOffice uses Open Document Format (ODF), recognized by many governments worldwide as the default format for office documents. -- we should promote the abbreviated form of ODF as much as possible to break the .doc view that this is a document abbreviated format. Also removed the , in from of as and also removed the S at the end of documents. p.2 panel 1 Should we put the (NGO) next to Non Governmental Organizations? There seems to be space for this and it is quite the recognizable abbreviation in many countries. p.2 panel 2 LibreOffice is easy to use thanks to its clearly structured intuitive menu. -- no need for a comma between structured and intuitive. p.2 panel 2 This is different from most, closed source, commercial product development models where the development happens inside a closed group, and time based releases frequently slip. -- This doesn't actually show any difference with the opensource group. We should find a factually relevant reason of an advantage of a time based release schedule that is measurable. Why is it better? I don't think we need to bother comparing to closed group development. p.2 panel 2 LibreOffice is free software, and is based on free tools. -- LibreOffice is free software that is based on free tools. or LibreOffice is free software that makes use of free tools. -- There are too many sentences with the same and ... p.2 panel 2 Our aim, over time ... -- Over time, our aim is -- no need to split the subject with the verb here. I think it read better this way. ... is to make it easy to build releases of LibreOffice ... -- substitute for LibreOffice with of. p.2 panel 2-3 For the most conservative users, we recommend a commercially supported version, which enables you to indirectly support the project’s development. Such stable versions will typically be based on a point release, such as LibreOffice 3.3.2 today; For those interested in the bleeding edge, who want to enjoy new features and fixes, we recommend LibreOffice 3.4.0, release candidates, betas or even nightly builds, which enable a participation in the development, evaluation and quality control process; Of course, as the 3.4 series matures, we will reach a point where we will recommend a 3.4.x release as being suitable even for the most conservative users. -- this is very informative. If there were a way to explain this without referring to a LibreOffice version (3.3.2 and 3.4), we would not have to update the pamphlet at the next version update. Maybe we should push to formalize the name of the point release and the bleeding edge releases. If not these two paragraphs are great. Maybe we could change it to: For the most conservative users, we recommend a commercially supported version, which enables you to indirectly support the project’s development. Such stable versions will typically be based on a point release, such as LibreOffice found on our download page.; For those interested in the bleeding edge, who want to enjoy new features and fixes, we recommend LibreOffice the release candidates, betas or even nightly builds, which enable a participation in the development, evaluation and quality control process; Of course, as the development series matures, we will reach a point where we will recommend this release as being suitable even for the most conservative users. p2 panel 3 The Document Founation -- missing the d p.2 panel 3 Free from our large, dedicated community of developers, contributors and supporters the make up the Document Foundation -- Sound a little choppy and could be read as meaning something else, maybe use: Free to download from our large, dedicated community of developers, contributors and supporters the make up the Document Foundation. -- you will also need a period here. We should also add: Visit our support pages at:
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Additional Platforms - 3rd Party Support Pamphlet
On 05/27/2011 09:27 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-27 06:50, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : Marc, I wish I had someone like you helping out with my college papers. After I married, my wife helped some, but with her affected by Alzheimer's I do not have any to help me with writing [i.e. grammar, etc.] my documents. Between Dyslexia and the strokes, I lost much of the abilities I had. So thanks Marc for finding the grammar, and other writing, issues with the paperwork Drew and other are working on for LibreOffice Marketing. Thanks for the vote of confidence, but most of my comments are just that and Drew and others are free to comment differently as well. We all get to offer our opinions on the text. Cheers Marc For me, it got to the point that I had to use text-to-speech systems to read my papers back to me to figure out if the words sounded correct. Dyslexia blocked my ability to see the words problems, and cause issues getting the proper words out or causes grief over spelling the needed words to the point I have to choose other words instead. I leave words out, put them in the wrong order, spell the words wrong but they are correctly spelled words so the checkers pass the by. I was over 30 before my reading skills was in the high school level, even though I graduated with good marks from high school and my first college degree with honors. I learned to compensate, with memory and in class discussions, for the lack of reading skills for the course text work. I was the first student at that college to be asked to join PTK [honor society that require 3.5 GPA or better] who had a learning disability. So with all those troubles that increased after the 2nd and 3rd strokes, it can be very hard for me to get down in print, or word of mouth, the things I want to say in the way I want/need to say it. It is easier to type, most times, than speak. That is why I did not want to talk to drew over the phone when he wanted me to a few months back. It is too hard for me to talk over the phone. Typing I can type and edit as much as I want before I press send. One of my doctors told me that my brain and mouth were working a different speeds so it was hard for them to keep in sync. --- Actually - LibreOffice spell checking issue Have you seen on the DEB 64-bit LibreOffice that the spelling pop-up used the OOo seagull image instead of the LO image [if there is one]? I was wondering when I say that; when to that happen since I do not remember that image in the earlier version of LibreOffice. I do not use LO's spell checking much, since most of my text work is in Thunderbird. So when I saw that image of the OOo seagulls it seems strange that LO would use OOo's images internally. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] need to redue the Extensions page on libreplanet.org/wiki
With Oracle's dropping OOo, the links for the Extensions at http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List seem not to work most times. I went directly to Oracle's OOo page[s] for Extensions and Templates and have the time I get Problem loading page - The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. server error, or some other saying the same thing. OOo seem to no longer to be a place to link to for extension or template files. I wonder how long it will be before the site will be completely down, instead of not working half the time. It may be time for people at TDF and the marketing groups to start their own list of these files, instead of having links to Oracle's site that has all these page loading issues. It does not look well for us to tell our users to go to a site where they will have problems downloading the .oxt files. Time to take the incentive and get our own page[s] for all the add-ons that we thing our users might need or use. I know that some of these extensions are now bundled with the installs, but we need to go farther than that. I have many, many, of these add-ons [.oxt file] on my computer and the NA DVD project has some of these on our testing site, and the DVD itself. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] need to redue the Extensions page on libreplanet.org/wiki
On 05/25/2011 11:02 AM, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi Timothy, 2011/5/25 webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com: With Oracle's dropping OOo, the links for the Extensions at http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List seem not to work most times. I have seen some complaints about this recently and wrote to the website-contact for extensions.openoffice.org The site is hosted at osusl.org , should be independent from the struggle with Oracle. Bye Volker Yes, but their links go to the Oracle site, so they are dependent on Oracle's OOo pages. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing brochure
On 05/23/2011 06:17 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Marwan, all, Marwan Aleasa schrieb: Hi I have made an arabic brochure about LibreOffice features for promotion. Great! Thanks for sharing! I am wondering whether I can upload it to the wiki or not. Of course you can . That's what the wiki is for. As Drew already mentioned, please provide us the link to the uploaded brochure. Even if I will not be able to read it, we could link to it from our official resources and point interested people there. Here is a link to the Pamphlet or Brochure that Drew has been working on. I do not know is it is the most up-to-date version, since there has been some work on other possible wording, but it is the one I am using for myself till I get a better copy. http://libreoffice-na.us/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf It is in English and is a PDF file, but is works fine. One thing you will need to do is either print it on a printer that need very little margins, or use a Page Scaling option of Shrink to Printable Area. I have not tried printing it with a borderless print option yet, but may try it with my new printer coming by the end of the week. It will print on the DVD media so I can have nice looking DVDs for my handouts of the NA Community DVD. If you are going to hand out DVDs, you might want to go to our test portal's first page and download our DVD insert page to see what we did. http://libreoffice-na.us/ The links is on the Right Hand side of the page. The brochure is on the attachment. To avoid too large downloads for the list subscribers (some with quite a number of mailing lists and sometimes bad Internet connection), attachments are stripped of the mails by the mail server before delivering the mails to the subscribers. So please upload the file to the wiki - we haven't been able to get it by now. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 10:22 AM, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:08 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: From: drewd...@baseanswers.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 16:15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Hi :) I still don't see the point of removing or avoiding mentioning that LO can be run on other platforms, particularly when those platforms don't support MSO. There are 2 lines that say The free power-packed, Open Source, personal productivity suite for: and the next line misses out saying BSD although it looks as though there is plenty of room to mention it. There would be more room if MS was missed off the front of MS Windows. Are there non-MS versions of Windows? Do MS require that MS is always put in front of Windows? (in which case a vast amount of writing about Windows is in breach.) Have i missed a day or 2 worth of emails explaining that LO suddenly doesn't work on BSD? We tend not to hear from people where things have gone smoothly and have only heard from a couple of people that have had minor issues with LO on BSD. I take that as a good sign. I am not on the devs list so perhaps people there have decided that LO doesn't work? Regards from Hi Tom No one is saying it doesn't work on BSD - the discussion on the US mktg list was more to do with What platforms do you find when you visit the main LibO site and in that respect the answer is, these three (win, linux, OS X). So the idea was to keep the marketing piece in alignment with the website. Finally, there is a reason this is done on the open mailing list - so if you have some specific wording? Thanks Does LibreOffice's web site tell people how to install it on BSD? They have a help page for installing it on Linux. If we do list BSD on the pamphlet, we will need to be read for questions for installing it on BSD. I know how to do Windows and Ubuntu/Deb installs, and I gave the NA DVD to a friend [Monday] that uses a Mac. I have not heard anything yet about problems with the Mac install. I only have Windows XP and Vista, plus Ubuntu 10.04LTS for my operating systems so I have never tried to install it on MacOSX. So if there is not references to BSD install, maybe we should say Windows, Linux, MacOSX, and other platforms, with the other platforms in the small print. We could debate the wording back-and-forth to the point where we do not like such-and-such word or coma placement, but the real point is do we have the generalized or major points covered? If we state everything we could about why you should use LibreOffice, we would have a booklet instead of a pamphlet. Maybe one day that might happen, but right now we need to get it finalized for our first official publication. Hopefully Drew will have the time to place the NA DVD project's ISO files[s] online and post the URL. Then we can tweak the paperwork as needed. I think it is time that we give the marketing community the chance to download the DVD and try it themselves, instead of just testing it out online. The DVD label for the first DVD is finished. The DVD insert seems to be ready [except any minor tweaks people want]. The DVD cover sheet is ready. The pamphlet is ready, except for any work that we feel could make it better. So that seems to be everything we need to publish our DVD except the URL of the ISO file. Then people will have a chance to work with our English Windows/Linux/MacOSX DVD [including a Windows portable version]. Then we can finish the editing of the English Windows-only DVD and do its paperwork for it to be out there instead of just a test version online. Then maybe we can get more of our Spanish users/marketers to look at our Spanish language version of these DVD so we can have it worked on fast enough to have it ready sometime in the summer for its publication. Thanks to some members in South America, and other places, we have been able to start the Spanish version of our project. So do we NEED to list all the platforms that LibreOffice can be used on, for just the 3 major ones? Is there anything else that is blocking our publication of our project? Can we say we are done and get the ISO file online and have an official announcement, maybe on the announcement list, that the English version of our project it ready for people to use? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: snip Hi :) Ok, i think the pamphlet has been ready for quite a long time now. It's getting better but it already was good enough. Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. I don't think we need instructions for all the different OSes, especially if the Dvd is the Windows-only version. Windows users often need quite a lot of hand-holding but often linux users are new to linux so they need help too as they still have bad habits and mis-information left over from their Windows days. By contrast Bsd users are likely to already have a lot of unix based experience and be fairly used to advanced ways of installing, such as compiling from source. We don't need to scare or confuse non-Bsd users by explaining those, especially in a pamphlet for the Windows-only version. It's enough just to mention the platform. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? Regards from Devil's Advocate :) We started with the 3 platform DVD like the German's did with their initial woke. But as things were being discussed about what extension, templates, samples, etc., should be removed or should be added, I started the process of removing all the non-Windows references from a copy of the DVD. There were only 4[?] pages that needed editing and the rest were exactly the same as the 3 platform version. So I ended up doing the work on the Windows-only DVD. I think it may need editing of my edits, but still it was a start while the extension and template pages were being worked on by others. At events where there are Linux and Mac users, having a 3 platform DVD is proper. For those places that there are a lost of Windows users, having a Windows-only version can be helpful. For those who are going to download an ISO file, and use only Windows, having a 1.4 GB download instead of a 3.2 GB is important. So for me, at an event table, it would be nice to have side-by-side both versions. For those people that know about the other platforms, knowing that LibreOffice will work on all three major ones can be a selling point, since MSO works on Windows and maybe an after thought on making an older version work on MacOSX. Forget Linux. So if you have someone know that no matter what computers you use, you should be able to use LibreOffice on all of them. Cross platform may be very important to them. For people that do not know anything about Linux or Mac except the name, they may need to have a DVD that only has Windows references on it. They might think cross platform is a good idea, but may not know what it really is or why it is needed since they have never used a non-Windows machine except for their smart phones or e-readers. To be honest, for may users, the more you tell them about how it works or other technical issues the more confused they can become. Some will even avoid a product that may sound too technical to use or deal with. A lot of Windows users can hardly install a simple package by double-clicking on the .exe file. I know many of these users. Some do not even know how to browse through their hard drives to find a miss-filed document. Some are stumped on how to do anything other than use the Internet browser, the email client, and maybe a simple word processor. So we need to be able to have some document/pamphlet that work work for them. But, the real users of LibreOffice should be those who know a thing or two about their computers or how to use them more than just email and web browsing. So we need our main documentation to work for them. So, have the main Win/Linux/MacOSX DVD, the Windows-only DVD, and later maybe have a CD or DVD that is geared to the user that does not know how to do much of anything beyond the web. But for now we have the first two, and that is all we really need. If you need a different platform, then you most likely know much more about using it than we would. If you need a very simple hand-holding install package, you most likely either not need LibreOffice or have someone that will do the install for you and teach you how to do anything you need to do. Actually, I kind of like HP's Linux driver system. You run a .run file and ask a few Y/N questions, and then the script does all the downloading, compiling/making, and anything else that is needed to get the printers installed on your version of Linux. I would hate to do all that myself via the terminal, even with detailed instructions. It would be nice if all you had to do was run an .exe file to install any/all of you packages instead of having to use the terminal to type in commands for those packages that you cannot install by double-clicking on the .deb file. But if it was easy as Windows, it may be as faulty/crash-y as Windows can be. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/20/2011 06:21 PM, toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/05/2011 20:23, Tom Davies wrote: Do we need it to be perfect first time? I don't believe there is any such thing as perfection. Over time, the brochure will change. Or, going the other way isn't it dangerous to mention non-Windows platforms? Is it wise to mention other platforms at all? The brochure should list the OSes found on the DVD. That is does. On the DVD you can have a more extensive document that states what operating systems LibO has been compiled for, and where to obtain the compiled binaries, and source code. We do not have the page[s] for developers and hackers, like the German DVD had when we started this NA project. Thought that it would confuse the normal user and for those who would want that info, the files on the DVD would be way out-of-date withing a week of our reediting of the DVD file contents for that section. If there is enough space on the brochure, you can state the half dozen or so operating systems that Windows users have never heard of, that LibO has been ported to. If LibO is ported to Android, iOS (Apple), or Blackberry OS, then a different brochure for mobile platforms can be constructed. Windows, Linux [.deb, .rpm], MacOSX [Intel, PPC], plus the Windows portable version. That is what is on the main DVD. Plus, except for Windows, there are only a few language files other than English. It would be too much to have all 113 languages on one DVD. We do English, Spanish, French, and a few more [mostly nitch ones]. As for Android and the other ports, I have not really heard much about those, but hope they will come with the popularity of the iPad style of systems. Now you have system that use your HDTV for web browsing and social network work. Could you next do office suite work as well? If LibO is ported to XrossMediaBar, Xbox 360 system software, or Wii system software, then a different brochure for gaming platforms can be constructed. (I can see it now: How to use the Wii nunchak to edit an Impress presentation.) jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN1uliAAoJEERA7YuLpVrV5qsIANpBLRqb0VdAxNPEE69ExHPO jo1NgN9KqWyEZU+odnih26mFwKPLfeL3/yeUo5HFbgZ3Oz/fCga0dmKbM0hLxJxS 6tRRUUSZKCBIBarhdUC7S1zd6ELgcT5li7Nnr+tWXyHQHY76V/TRipHdDINwcOGz J+I8NHrbyt4dB5rBphyuh9vFgpMVajY18dWYzEZBtNJvOI/it4eXQpzp/r8jaA4U i1x/XIg2pEAGXDa1OSyTLOUTXs0dkuSfcEFKs9OMduxfBrgJKYxSZDVfT/H88CSv Q3QV/5SOm5h6zvZoGci15ZW6n0FteJHmUrdlbtDLb0wVjFP9KpLNAuQddHhgrrU= =wSfa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Updated (EN) tri-fold brochure
On 05/19/2011 06:13 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-17 11:15, drew a écrit : On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:59 -0400, drew wrote: Howdy Pushed a new update to the file on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/LibO-TriFild-Pamphlet-11-05-15-ltr-en.pdf Some text updates coming from the us_mktg list, primarily the removal of the secondary line for supported platforms. (mentioning BSD on interior being one) Comments, suggestions welcomed as it is never really done, really, it's just tonights copy. Thanks Drew ps - if you want todays odt file it is at http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-17.odt Hi Drew I think something happened with the spacing and lists. There are lists that are not all on the same panel. Maybe it's the wrong file? Cheers Marc It is missing the globe image or something. I cannot find the PDF file of the last version, but I think that might be it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] photo of the temporary DVD, Case, and insert
For the North American Community DVD project: Linked below is a photo of the temporary DVD, Case, and insert. http://libreoffice-na.us/the-dvd-picture.jpg This shows the disc label using LightScribe media, the Case cover, and a temporary 2-sided How to use this disc insert. I made up four of these so I could hand them out on Monday. The insert has my contact info, so the people I give it out to will be able to contact me if they have any questions about the DVD. The actual case insert has not been finalized, yet, but it is being worked on. Right now it look like it could be 4-sided to get all the stuff that people want on it. Maybe we could make a small booklet instead of a brochure style, but it will need to cut down to the size that will fit in the case [4.90 x 7.35]. We shall see what it will be like when we get it done. If I have the color brochure/pamphlet printed professionally, it will cost about $1.20 each starting with 40 units. The DVD cover will cost about half as much. The BW double sided insert will cost about $0.50 each, since it needs to be cut down to the proper size for 7 inches tall. The cover has to be cut down as well to fit in the case sleeve. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)
On 05/10/2011 07:40 AM, John Shabanowitz wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi all, Cor Nouws wrote (28-04-11 17:55) drew wrote (30-03-11 15:27) Maybe interesting as draft for other languages too? I can provide English translation (roughly of course). A good idea idea I suppose. If you would do the rough translation, and make editable source available of course, I am sure someone will do what ever small cleanup is necessary. [ only 28 day's later ;-) ] pls find my translation to English here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/nl#Materiaal Ahum :-) Next Thursday I'm invited to do a presentation on migrations. Will take a little pile of flyers with me. So if people have suggestions, remarks, that I can include: pls let me know. (After all, the flyer as it is now, is only a first version, and intended to evolve.) Thanks best regards, Cor I cleaned up the English translation text on the wiki page. They were very minor edits. I used one American English contraction in the sentence, If you like to join in extending and improving, that is easy. I changed you to you'd (you would). I hope that is understandable in UK English or European understanding of English. I also changed the phrase, with among them Dutch, to, including Dutch. I uploaded an edited file to my wiki page, user:Tyree, but didn't link it to this page. I downloaded the English version of the pamphlet linked above, but it does not seem to work properly. The images seem to be covered partly with a white column, or something. If you go to the North American DVD portal, and go down the page on the right hand side, you will find the pamphlet that I have on my computer. http://libreoffice-na.us/ Click on either image to download the .odt file. It is in English, so you will have to translate it if you want some other language. I do not remember where I got this pamphlet, but I think it was on the TDF Wiki site somewhere. It even has space for your own information on the first panel. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations
On 05/07/2011 04:18 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: So, can anybody tell me why NA community can have libreoffice-na.org domain *separated* from TDF hosts and brazilian community can't have libreoffice.org.br domain? LibreOffice-NA.US -- not .ORG the .org.br domain is the exact same as the main one but with the country code - am I correct? They might feel that your are trying to take their domain over in your country, or something like that. I did not see the beginnings of this thread, but by your text, that is what your are implying. We are LibreOffice - North America - in the USA so our domain is that the same as but with the added country code. We started our project to be dedicated to our region and create a distribution DVD for that region. I do not think our domain is close enough for TDF to upset by us, I hope. I know one thing. When I bought a domain that was a .org and there was a .com with the same name, I added a link to the .com group stating who they were and that I was not them. My domain was for a non-profit listing while they were a for profit, sort of, group. There are a lot of groups out there that have other groups that make their domain as close as possible to the original group's domain so they could steal viewers away for whatever reason. All of us are here to promote the same software for our different communities. We are not trying to steal people away from the other groups. To be honest, if your domain was LibreOffice-Brazil.org, then it would not be looking like it was the Brazilian language version of the TDF/LO site, which your domain looks like it could be. Could you use Colibri.org and also add .org.br? Then, for now, you could redirect your current .org.br domain to the new Colibri site. Later, after people get use to the new site's domain, you could phase it out. Also you could just ask a question on where the viewer wants to go, your site of the TDF/LO site. For me, your libreoffice.org.br is too close to the TDF/LO site's domain. That was one reason I opted for the .us domain ending instead of the .org one. It helped make our domain more different than the original one. Of course all this is my own opinion, and I was the one who paid for the NA domain. Just a simple question in order to understand the issue. Tks and rgds 2011/5/7 webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com On 05/07/2011 10:56 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote: snip The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently. We made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are advancing!! The Brazilian community has decided to be called Colibri after long discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site ( libreoffice.org.br), since it is one of the most visited portals technology in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice. Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed a little exaggerated. The North American Community DVD project is using our portal[s] for community based testing of the DVDs online, and later for hosting ISO versions of the DVDs. We are going to have a version hosted on the TDF/LibreOffice sponsored site. But that site may not have all the extras that we want on our discs. 3 GB total for the Win/Mac/Linux version and 1.6 GB for the Windows only version. We are in the alpha/beta of the Spanish translation of our English DVDs. They are to be found at our portal [ libreoffice-na.us ]. Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them ideas, particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid behind NGOs and businesses. We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also free. But if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please let us know. I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in relation to the decision of the Brazilian community. Another NGO has emerged here in Brazil and its goals are clear (http://www.alta.org.br/). I have no idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is external website à la OO.o, correct? Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Abbreviation for LibreOffice?
On 05/07/2011 07:59 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Christian, Jean, all, Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi *, On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Jean Hollis Weberjeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a preferred abbreviation for LibreOffice? LibO, LO, or something else? I see the installation filenames use LibO. There's a slight preference towards LibO in semi-official stuff, but on IRC LO is used as well I recall a vigorous discussion on this topic last year, but I haven't been paying close attention since then. What I got as final state (with a posting by Italo, IIRC) was: Even if LibO is a good abbreviation (probably better than LO), in should be avoided in public (= external) discussion, presentation and reference to LibreOffice as long as the brand has not been established in a way that (nearly) everybody knows our full name. Perhaps in a couple of years LibO might be promoted, but for the moment any promotional effort should focus on LibreOffice. Best regards Bernhard PS: This doesn't mean that there is any official rule for internal discussion: If you call LibreOffice LibO, LO, LibrO or anything else on our mailing lists doesn't matter much, as long as the reader know what you talk about (wiki might be a bit differently, especially on pages with external visitors / potential or new contributors). I know that Oracle owns the trademark of OpenOffice.org. Is LibreOffice a registered trademarked yet? Then there could be a decision to trademark LibO, LibrO, and/or some other abbreviation for LibreOffice. That could settle what is preferred to be used. Then there would be a consistent abbreviation to be used when spelling out the full name is not convenient. Actually, I added both abbreviation to my spelling checker for Thunderbird. Even though I sometimes use LO, I agree that it may need to be discouraged. LO could equate to low. We need to make it something that would equate to a positive feeling abbreviation, not negative like LO could be. The same goes for sayings like Freedom Never Tastes So Suite. We need to have a consensus on saying for LibreOffice that could be used on marketing materials. Maybe someone could make a Wiki page with a list of ideas for marketing saying and what items it could/should be placed on. That same page could have suggestions on what abbreviations could/should be used where and not to be used where. This way we, as a hole, would have some guidelines. Any volunteers to do organize such a web page? Any other suggestions? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Position of the Design Team in the community
As for me, Tim Lungstrom [NA community DVD], I think the only part that needs to be spelled out is what can be done on the local level for icons and graphics that reflect that community of users. http://libreoffice-na.us/north-america-globe-dark-letters--all-small.jpg This link is a local graphic to show the area of our targeted users. It is a globe with those communities shaded in with green. That may be the types of issues that may come up. It is not a graphic/image that will be used world wide for other LibreOffice communities, but just our regional one[s]. The idea of needing that type of graphic pre-approved could be an issue to some people. The work that Drew has done for the DVD case and our Label[s] could be used as the basis for other community efforts. So that may need to be looked at and edited for that possible use. Right now it is our own designs, but could be used by other at some later date. As for things like web site and DVD visual designs, I approve of keeping much of the visual look similar to the other LibreOffice sites. The difference in the tabbed menu between the NA DVD and the German language LibreOffice-Box DVD is the fact we took out the developer's tab and added the documentation tab. Ours is a user's DVD, not a developer's one, so we needed an easy way to get to those documents and there was no need to include any developer files. Yet, both our tabbed menu structures look the same for the most part. So, there may be a need for some documentation spelling out what is needed to be complaint to allow the DVD to be called a LibreOffice DVD. Also there will be needed the same type of documents for how much can the LibreOffice Package could be modified before you can no longer call it LibreOffice. These documents must be easy to read and easy to understand. The issues brought up in this thread could get worse over time. LibreOffice, as its own package/community, is young. As it becomes older and wider, many of these issues may be solved. It just takes time to get the issues found and fixed. http://libreoffice-na.us/north-america-globe-dark-letters--all-small.jpg On 04/26/2011 12:02 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Bernhard ... sorry for the long answer (in-line), but some of the answers didn't make much sense without the previous referenced text. Le 2011-04-25 19:24, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Drew, Marc, all! Stepping in here - could have commented on each of your previous mails, but you're quite fast ;-) It's the coffee that keeps me going! (*grin*) drew schrieb: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 07:01 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Drew Le 2011-04-25 05:23, drew a écrit : Hi, I should expand on that - I would like the design team to be a resource for the different groups/teams that will be working on specific items. I would also expect it to continue generating guidelines, recommendations or published best practices if you will. Right - that's one of the reasons to establish a Visual Design team. I would not be in favor it acting as a mandated certification body. In my eyes the Design team defines a set of recommendations to follow in order to create and establish a consistent branding for LibreOffice. All artwork following these recommendations can be seen as supporting the general branding language and doesn't need single case approval to be used. Agree with this. [...] Thanks for the comments. We should however have some group ultimately responsible for the release of new designed materials. For new designs it depends for me if they reuse those pre-approved elements (in this case there is no need for anybody to comment/approve design-wise) or if they provide new, fresh, different elements that could or should expand our present set of branding elements. An expansion of our branding elements can't be done without approval by the Design team, while for new graphics in marketing materials only to be used once it depends on the general impression: If this is still consistent with our main branding language, nobody will object. I don't know if this decision can be left over to the single designer, so I'd prefer a mandatory information of the Design team when some new introduced graphics are to be used for *official* material of the community. This is what I was proposing. I also agree that re-use of pre-approved designs, there is no or even little need to seek approval. New elements or, as you say, an expansion of pre-approved elements should be sent to the design team for scrutiny and approval. This does not take much time out of people's time. IMO the marketing teams create and disseminate materials that often contain pre-approved design elements (ex logos, graphics, fonts etc.) from the design team. Key phrase - pre-approved. Right: Following the design recommendations and using the recommended pre-approved design elements should lead to a consistent visual design. In these cases, and in
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: local/regional cable office uses[ed] OpenOffice.
On 04/22/2011 07:47 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-22 10:29, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit : I had to deal with a tech guy from my local/regional cable [and Internet] company. He told me, after I started in on my free software chatter, that they use OpenOffice. I told him about Oracle dropping their support of it after LibreOffice came out in its big splash. I told him that LibreOffice's first release was much better than the same release of OOo and the 100's of articles that claim the same thing. I told him that if they wanted, I would freely provide them with the NA DVD, but gave him a printout with the URLs on how to find LibreOffice. He told me he would get the message to the IT people about Oracle no longer supporting OOo and that LibreOffice may be the way to go from here on out. I also told him that LibreOffice's menus look the same as OOo and work with the same file types. But, I also told him that it works better that OOo. I think this was another case of a company not having the resources to keep using MSO when they need the money to increase their physical cable/net/digital-phone network [hardware and software]. This is another example on talking to someone about something else, and then letting them know about you not wanting/affording to use paid software and one of your solutions is using LibreOffice as you office suite. I was surprised that they already went to OOo, but it is good that they are now thinking about Open-Source software to fill their needs. Just for the record. The cable company's parent is Time-Warner - owner of CNN and many other media companies. I wonder how far up the company chain does the use of OOo goes? It would be nice if it went all the way to the main corporate center in Atlanta Georgia. We also need to tell such companies that there is also commercial support from Novell (http://www.novell.com/products/libreoffice/) should they need commercial support but also that our user mailist is quite as capable of providing support. Most companies will and should be concerned with commercial support for the product. The shakeup from the closing down of OpenOffice.org will take a while to work its way through the OOo user base. We should take the occasion to press-release to as many Tech organisatons, especially the Windows publications, that LibreOffice is now the path to update/upgrades to OOo. BTW, talking of OOo, there is still no word from Oracle of the fate of the trademarked OOo.org name. IMHO, if Oracle offers it to the TDF/LibreOffice community, we should pick it up, as this would permit us a little more control over the changeover from OOo usage to the LibreOffice brand. It could smoothen up the move rather than creating a shock through the world of OOo users. Cheers Marc I am hoping that in a week or two I will be up to going to their local office, two towns over, and talk to a manager about LibreOffice and present him/her with a couple of DVDs. Right now, I am not well enough even to be able to visit my wife for the Holiday and had to get a friend to take her basket of goodies to the nursing facility. Yes, that Novell support info may be a good sell. The more we can promote that big businesses are supporting LibreOffice, the better. I was thinking about saying that after the first version of LibreOffice came out, Oracle started to loose a lot of their market share since the press stated that LibreOffice was better than OOo [which was the standard MSO alternate up to then]. And, then this month Oracle announced that it will no longer develop or support the OOo product line [both the free and paid versions]. Not sure of my wording, but the gist will be that OOo was the standard for free or paid alternative to MSO until LibreOffice came out with a better product even though it is based upon the OOo open-source code and menu structure. Also, if you currently use OOo, you can easily switch to LibreOffice, since its menu structure is the same and it used the same file formats, extensions, and other add-ons. With all that said, LibreOffice still works better than OOo according to many, many independent tech related publications. All this and more seemed to help Oracle to decide to end its development and support of the trademarked product line they own called OpenOffice.org. The fact that OOo was the standard for free [or paid] alternatives to the MS office suite and within a few months of LibreOffice coming out LibreOffice became the better product so it is now defacto standard. The fact that the US government is hyping open-source products and LibreOffice is the best of the open-source office suites could help as well. I may be dealing with the local/regional library system in mid May, I hope to give out some DVDs there during my meeting for the Transit Riders committee, and then the manager for the main branch of our library system. Then I hopefully be able to get
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The LibO developers need input from former users. A proposal. (readable version)
Here is a figure I was given a few years ago, and it is sort of easy to remember: Only 5% of MSO users use more than 5% of the functions built into MSO. One year, I remember MSO touted that is had over 250 new functions added to Word. I think it was when either MSO 2000 or 2003 came out. My question is is why do we need any word processor to have so many functions that it makes it too bloated to be easy to use. Same with any other part of an office suite. I think I remember reading an article stating that unless you are an extreme power user, LibreOffice is a good suite to use. If you require all those functions that only a very small percent of users need, then you will need to use MSO. MSO built in most of their functions for that very small percent of users that could not work with out these abilities that take massive amounts of complex documentation and examples to be able to figure out how to use them. Give me a more simple approach. 99.99% of my use, and most of the people I know, need no complex documentation to figure out. Rarely would even the internal help system be needed as well. So MSO becomes bigger and bigger with functions and abilities that a very small number of users will ever use. As for missing abilities when switching from MSO to LibreOffice, there are few that are missed. Out of those, most should be included as people clean out the bad legacy coding and start adding some other lower use functions. I do not think LibreOffice should go the route of MSO, with all its bloat. Yes, it should make an effort to add needed functions, but no on the ones that are not used by most [say 95% or more] of the users. On 04/19/2011 10:13 AM, Riemer Thalen wrote: Hi all, My name is Riemer Thalen and I am not a programmer. I'm a marketing guy. For the last couple of years I have been wondering: how come so many people pay hundreds of dollars for MS Office when they can have OOo/LibO for free? Apparently, many people feel LibO does not match MS Office. Maybe they are missing functions MS Office has, maybe they think LibO behaves oddly, or maybe... we don't know. And that's a real problem. Because if we really want LibO to become the number one office suite in the world, we need to find out what keeps people form switching to OOo/LibO permanently. I am not an old hand in the OOo community. Maybe some market reseach into former users has been done in the past. I searched the Internet and I could not find any reports. At present, the LibO developers are guided by community feedback. But for our purpose, that will not do. It is like asking iPhone users if they need a keyboard. No, of course they don't. If they thought a keyboard was necessary they would not have bought an iPhone in the first place. The same applies to the OOo / LibO community. The members are dedicated LibO users and by definition they are not representative for non-users. As it happens, my daughter who is business student needs to do a marketing survey. That's no big deal nowadays. All you have to do is open an account at a survey site. Then you compose a three question questionnaire. The questionnaire is posted and tagged on Facebook and LinkedIn. Did you use OpenOffice in the past? Please, help us improve it. Answer just three questions. If only half of the subscribers to this mailing list would post the link, we probably will have more than enough respondents. The questionnaire could read like this: /Yes, I used or tried OpenOffice.org in the past and I do not use it anymore. 1) The main reason I dropped OOo concerned (tick as many boxes as are applicable): O Writer, O Calc, O Impress (presentation), O Draw, O Base, O Formula, O the suite as a whole. 2) What made me drop OOo was the following. (Just the one big problem. What was the show-stopper for you?) 3) What else needs to be fixed in OOo in your opinion? (Name as many issues as you like.) Thank you for your feedback! / Indeed, this is a qualitative survey. We need to know how former users feel about OOo/LibO. In what terms do they describe their problem? How strongly do they feel about it? That is more important than the exact percentage that encountered the issue. (Of course, the responses will later be categorized and counted, but this will result in quantative indications only.) Once the results are in and processed, two importants things can be done: 1. the developers can prioritize issues, fixes, modifications and new functions, targeting a new group of users. 2. the marketing group can create a switchers guide based on real-life feedback. Not all functions in LibO will be and can be the same as in MS Office. Knowing the differences and how to deal with them will greatly improve user satisfaction. OK, this is as far as my proposal goes. I would like to hear from you guys what you think of it. Personally, I feel it is very important to get feedback from outside the community. Moreover, IMHO it is
[libreoffice-marketing] Looking for Spanish language Testers - first look at NA in Spanish
The first Draft of the Spanish version of the North American DVD is online DVD Comunidad Norteamericana There are many things that need to be edited, but this is the Community's first look at these Spanish pages. So I am putting out a call for Spanish language Testers. I do not speak/read Spanish, so I cannot evaluate the content. We need people who speak Spanish to help us test our Spanish version of the English DVD. In a few days, I hope to have the navigation bar issues fixed on some of the pages, and a few known errors. Main Page http://libreoffice-na.us/ Spanish - Multi-Platform http://libreoffice-na.us/Spanish/index.html Spanish - Windows-only http://libreoffice-na.us/Spanish-Windows/index.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Video of LibO presentation from last weeks Flourish Conference available
On 04/17/2011 11:08 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 04/17/2011 04:09 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: We may not be part of the central controlling/developing/marketing group, but we are doing everything we can to help out the TDF/LibreOffice cause. All the groups of people who volunteer should be acknowledged in any presentation. Am I right or wrong? The number of activities around the project are so many that it will always - and increasingly - be difficult to acknowledge them all in a presentation. It depends from the target of the presentation, and at Flourish the target were developers. I have not mentioned localization (which is key in every other language than English) and other projects just because I was speaking at US engineering students. There will be other presentations where I will mention other projects and maybe less the development part. This does not mean that a project is less important than others. I do not mean acknowledge each and every project's name. People just need to know that there are a very active community based movement that are taking LibreOffice and making it the center of some distribution effort that is geared around their community's need for a free office package. The NA project is just one of those efforts. We started with English. In a day or so, we will be testing out our first non-English translation, Spanish. One day we will have a French translation. We have the Multi-Platform DVD project - Windows, MacOSX, and Linux. Next is the Windows-Only DVD project, with the non-Windows installs removed [three HTML files are edited out of a dozen or so total HTML files]. After that, we hope to stuff English, Spanish, and French language versions onto one distro DVD. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Video of LibO presentation from last weeks Flourish Conference available
On 04/17/2011 01:25 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions schrieb: On 04/15/2011 06:52 PM, Clovis Tristão wrote: Hi Italo, Congratulations for your presentation. I liked :-) Clóvis On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:00 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: Hi all, Video of Italo Vignoli's presentation, LibreOffice and The Document Foundation, presented at last weeks Flourish 2011 conference is now available at:. http://flourishconference.blip.tv/file/4987563/ Best wishes, Drew Jensen Is there a downloadable file of this presentation? Should be this one: http://blip.tv/file/get/Flourishconf-LibreOfficeAndTheDocumentFoundation972.m4v Best regards Bernhard Thanks, I am downloading it now. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Telegraph Review
On 04/12/2011 07:29 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/yourbusiness/businesstechnology/8445516/Review-LibreOffice-3.3-is-a-viable-alternative-to-Microsoft-Word.html I lost the link. Where is the list of articles? Want to give that link to the head of the local government. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
