at FOSDEM (Was Re: [libreoffice-marketing] announce DevRoom schedule?)

2011-01-12 Thread Cor Nouws

drew wrote (12-01-11 00:05)

On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 23:55 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:



what do you think about announcing the DevRoom schedule via annou...@?



Sounds right IMO.


Yes, good idea..

And also for the people here a reminder:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2011

Maybe there can be a high resolution version of Cédrics recent video too:
http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=746


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3

2011-01-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Fabián,

Fabián Rodríguez wrote (25-01-11 14:22)


I managed to blog about this:
http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/2011/01/25/the-document-foundation-launches-libreoffice-3-3


Great blog :-)


Are there already localized versions of the announcement ?


I've prepared s simple translation on the Dutch language part of the 
wiki. And send out a message 12:08 this afternoon ;-)


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3

2011-01-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Joe,

Joe Rotello wrote (25-01-11 14:01)


OK, now... here's a few deadly serious and hopefully short marketing and
related "things" that outsiders, product reviewers and others, including
those that "love" LibreOffice / OpenOffice, and those that do not, will
be looking for:

In no particular order:
[...]


Thanks for your detailed comments.
I am sure the people that worked on the pr tried their best, but the 
tips, to take advantage, are appreciated IMO.


Did you have a look at the website? I haven spend any time on it yet, 
but might well be that there is a page that could immediately profit 
from your suggestions.


Kind regards,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] FOSDEM 2011 and the Design Team

2011-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

For the records, some data about the T-shirts:

Surat Lozowick wrote (11-02-11 02:19)

There were also stickers, and shirts for sale, and a donation box.


T-Shirts
Man 
Bought  LeftSold (*)
S   
M   20  2   18
L   30  0   30
XL  45  7   38
XXL 5   0   5
# sold  91

T-Shirts
Women   
Bought  LeftSold (*)
S   5   0   5
M   7   2   5
L   8   5   3
# sold  13

Sweaters
Bought  LeftSold
10  0   10

# sold  10


 (*) some have been given away/sold cheaper


Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] FOSDEM 2011 and the Design Team

2011-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws

PS.

Cor Nouws wrote (11-02-11 09:03)

Hi all,

For the records, some data about the T-shirts:


Note: by the sizes that were bought for men: to few XXL. 5-7 extra would 
have been OK.



Surat Lozowick wrote (11-02-11 02:19)

There were also stickers, and shirts for sale, and a donation box.


T-Shirts
Man
   Bought Left Sold (*)
S
M  20 218
L  30 030
XL 45 738
XXL 5 05
# sold 91

T-Shirts
Women
Bought   Left Sold (*)
S  5 05
M  7 25
L  8 53
  # sold 13

Sweaters
Bought   Left  Sold
L 10 010
   # sold 10


(*) some have been given away/sold cheaper


Regards,
Cor




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] FOSDEM 2011 and the Design Team

2011-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Italo,

Italo Vignoli wrote (11-02-11 09:26)

On 2/11/11 9:10 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:


XL 45 7 38


Hi Cor, can I buy 2 XL for my personal use?


I will reserve them and can send them (pls send your address)
No need to buy. Money made with the surplus of T-shirts would be for 
activities in Netherlands/Flanders. So when you do something for Italy, 
it's OK I would say :-)



Making presentations during summer with the green sweater is not a great idea
(yes, I should have thought this in Brussels).


Just to busy with talking/listening people ;-)

Ciao - Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: two articles about the decline of OOo and the rise of LibreOffice

2011-02-16 Thread Cor Nouws

Tom Davies wrote (16-02-11 17:02)


I thought this announcement from Oracle (late Friday evening) was quite
interesting
http://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/el-errata/2011-February/001819.html
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06511

It seems their linux team is quite separated from their main corporate teams and
has some very dedicated linux people there.  So, perhaps now we might see more
activity from OOo.


Completely unrelated topics and definitely a wrong perception of how/why 
Oracle has a Linux version.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Question

2011-02-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Adrian,

Adrian Osiecki wrote (24-02-11 11:18)


I'm from Polish. From the beginning, use the LibreOffice. Since the first
beta version I switched to your new software, and I support you
wholeheartedly. On the other hand, I am a collector of memorabilia and
gadgets. If there was a possibility it would ask to send me a gift of
LibreOffice that I could enlarge my collection with new items and carry it
with you and thus promote a great product that is LibreOffice.


Since my best friend origins from Poland, Polish people always has a 
little advantage ;-)
So I'll find you one of the last stickers I have and -as a one-time 
exception- send it ...


But hey, you may have a look at the marketing site, ask the design list 
and see what is available to make a whole lot of stickers, bags, ... to 
distribute them yourself, and find others in Poland that want tohelp you 
with that ?! :-)


Cheers,
Cor

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[libreoffice-marketing] Presentations DFD and T-Dose in Netherlands

2011-02-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

I've been invited to give presentations on DFD, March 30 in The Hague, 
and T-Dose, November 5 or 6 in Eindhoven.


I will try to focus on
 - bringing over the enthusiasm of our project, the people;
 - informing people about the fun, speed and need of developing
   and - though I'm not working on LibreOffice code - showing some
   first steps, pointers etc.
(I will find me some support for the latter)

I've added both events to the calendar: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events#Europe


Anyone around during one of the events? Pls drop me a note so that we 
can meet :-)


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Presentations DFD and T-Dose in Netherlands

2011-02-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Marc,

Marc Paré wrote (25-02-11 02:54)

Le 2011-02-24 17:06, Cor Nouws a écrit :



I've added both events to the calendar:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events#Europe



Thanks for adding it to the events calendar as well as speaking at the
event.

We were hoping to have a flyer prepared in EN, DE, FR, ES for the DFD
and LibreOffice support. Italo is speaking with the FSF and will get
back to us re: a statement from LibreOffice.


Ah, good to know, thanks!
Can I help with a Dutch version?


Let us know if you need any help with resources and perhaps we could
pull some together for you.


Thanks for the offer. To start with, I'll be much helped with some 
nearly-ready to use  stuff that I prolly can find somewhere at the wiki ..?


Regards,
Cor

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[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice (hackers) event at Dutch congress, March 24

2011-03-16 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

This is to inform you that I have been able to organise a LibreOffice 
(hackers) event at the Dutch congress NOiV, March 24.
The congress is focussing on open standards, open source and mainly 
public administrations.

https://noiv.nl/actueel/evenementen/congres/noiv-jaarcongres-2011-2/

There will be a room where LibreOffice will be present the whole day, 
with some developers working on features or bugs and people explaining 
about the project to the people passing by.


Thanks to Jan Nieuwenhuizen (janneke) who has developed OpenOffice.org 
some years for Novell, and Ben Engbers, who is experienced 
java-developer, who will be there that day working on code.
I will be there for some simple assistance, easy hacks and helping the 
audience, raising awareness and bringing over the enthusiasm of our project.
And maybe we will be ebale to attract even more developers to join for 
that day and afterwards..


Of course thanks to NOiV for being so kind to invite us for the event.

Kind regards,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice (hackers) event at Dutch congress, March 24

2011-03-21 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (17-03-11 13:10)


Cor Nouws wrote on 2011-03-16 21.13:

This is to inform you that I have been able to organise a LibreOffice
(hackers) event at the Dutch congress NOiV, March 24.
The congress is focussing on open standards, open source and mainly
public administrations.
https://noiv.nl/actueel/evenementen/congres/noiv-jaarcongres-2011-2/


thanks a lot, great news! Do not forget to add it to the wiki events
page and maybe to the Dutch page. :-)


Done - good not to forget that. Thanks ;-)
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork

2011-03-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Drew, all,

drew wrote (29-03-11 02:54)


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Dfd-2011-discs.png



http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/17/Dfd-2011-pen.png



http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/b0/That_simple-keyboard_1280.png



Thanks, nice images :-) I'll use 'm with my presentation, later today.

Also: I've just finished a simple general LibreOffice flyer in Dutch.
See here
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/nl

Maybe interesting as draft for other languages too? I can provide 
English translation (roughly of course).


Kind regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The LibO developers need input from former users. A proposal.

2011-04-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Riemer,

Thanks for posting, but pls, have a look at how it shows up in my mail.
Would you pls be so kind to post again and try to get a decent formatting?
That really will help to read and understand what you offer.

Thanks a lot,
Cor

Riemer Thalen wrote (19-04-11 15:40)

Hi all,My name is Riemer Thalen and I am not a programmer. I'm a
   marketing guy. For the last couple of years I have been wondering:
   how come so many people pay hundreds of dollars for MS Office when
   they can have OOo/LibO for free?Apparently, many people feel LibO does 
not match MS Office. Maybe
   they are missing functions MS Office has, maybe they think LibO
   behaves oddly, or maybe... we don't know.And that's a real problem. 
Because if we really want LibO to
   become the number one office suite in the world, we need to find
   out what keeps people form switching to OOo/LibO permanently.I am not an 
old hand in the OOo community. Maybe some market
   reseach into former users has been done in the past. I searched
   the Internet and I could not find any reports.At present, the LibO 
developers are guided by community feedback.
   But for our purpose, that will not do. It is like asking iPhone
   users if they need a keyboard. No, of course they don't. If they
   thought a keyboard was neccessary they would not have bought an
   iPhone in the first place.The same applies to the OOo / LibO community. 
The members are
   dedicated LibO users and by definition they are not representative
   for former users.As it happens, my daughter who is business student 
needs to do a
   marketing survey. That's no big deal nowadays. All you have to do
   is open an account at a survey site. Then you compose a three
   question questionnaire.The questionnaire is posted and tagged on 
Facebook and LinkedIn.
   "Did you use OpenOffice in the past? Please, help us improve it.
   Answer just three questions." If only half of the subscribers to
   this mailing list would post the link, we probably will have more
   than enough respondents.The questionnaire could read like this:Yes, I 
used or
 tried OpenOffice.org in the past and I do not use it anymore.1) The 
main reason I dropped OOo concerned (tick as many boxes
 as are applicable): O Writer,O Calc,O Impress
 (presentation)O the whole suite2) What made me drop OOo was the 
following. (Just the one big
 problem. What was the show stopper for you?)3) What else needs to be 
fixed in OOo in your opinion? (Name as
 many issues as you like.)Thank you for your feedback!Indeed, this is a 
qualitative survey. We need to know how former
   users feel about OOo/LibO. In what terms do they describe their
   problem? How strongly do they feel about it? That is more
   important than the exact percentage thatencountered the issue.
   (Of course, the responses will later be categorized and counted,
   but this will result in quantative indications only.)Once the results 
are in and processed, two importants things can
   be done:1. the developers can prioritize issues, fixes, modifications and
   new functions2. the marketing group can create a "switchers guide" based 
on
   real-life feedback. Not all functions in LibO will be and can be
   the same as in MS Office. Knowing the differences and how to deal
   with them will greatly improve user satisfaction.OK, this is as far as 
my proposal goes. I would like to hear from
   you guys what you think of it. Personally, I feel it is very
   important to get feedback from outside the community. Moreover,
   IMHO it is crucial not only for the success of LibO, but also for
   the Linux desktop. Without an office suite that is considered
   state-of-the-art, Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Fedora and the likes are
   fighting an uphill battle...Hope to hear from you soon.Riemer Thalen





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Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-04-28 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Drew, all,

drew wrote (30-03-11 15:27)


Maybe interesting as draft for other languages too? I can provide
English translation (roughly of course).



A good idea idea I suppose. If you would do the rough translation, and
make editable source available of course, I am sure someone will do what
ever small cleanup is necessary.


[ only 28 day's later ;-) ]

pls find my translation to English here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/nl#Materiaal

Kind regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 03 May 2011 : Where do I ask, want to distribute LibreOffice on a CD distributed free of cost at Seminar, India

2011-05-03 Thread Cor Nouws

Dear Sham,

ShamAtGMail wrote (03-05-11 04:46)


Myself is Sham Yemul, www.Intellisoft.co.in. I am one of the Speakers
invited for a District Level Seminar/Workshop going to be conducted at
Purva Vibhag Sarvajanik Vachanalay, Solapur.Sunday 08 May 2011, 10 am to
4 pm

- my topic is Complete Utilization of Computers in Library.


Thanks for writing and introducing.


other speakers are Dr. Rajendra Kumbhar, Asst. Professor, Librarian,
Pune University - Libraries in 21st Century
Mr. Mohan Kamble, Role of Librarians in 21st Century
Mr. Kundlik More, Getting various subsidies from social & government
organizations of various states of India.

We(Intellisoft) are going to distribute a freeware software of Library
management developed in Microsoft Excel thr' a CD on the same day.
The software has Local Language Marathi , uses Unicode Fonts for data
input & usage.

My Presentation talks about various Open Source, Freeware, Commercial
Office Suites.


That reads as an interesting program and an important event, so..


LibreOffice is the free power-packed Open Source personal productivity
suite for Window, with this email, I want to include the LibreOffice
software in the same CD. The CD is distributed Free of Cost to about 200
participants of the program.


we are happy and honoured that you choose LibreOffice to be included.


Do I need to take permission of LibreOffice Foundation ?


No, it is perfectly right to include it on the CD.
On this page of the website http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/ there 
are links to license and legal information. But for the use you propose, 
there are no problems.


Pls feel free to send us a short report of the event, and possible 
feedback of the audience, when finished.


Kindest regards,
Cor Nouws


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations

2011-05-07 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (07-05-11 00:35)


this is just a quick question to our local communities - who is
regularly translating our announcements (like beta3, beta4 and the like)
into their local language and distributes it to the community and the
local press?


For the Dutch language community, quite regular PR's are translated or 
written. Announcements also often are translated. Say 50+ % or so.

Joren helps regularly, some others now and then, I me too.


I'd like to keep the national press informed as well, and if you need
any help in that, please let me know. :-)


Thanks, kind offer :-)
In general, Ducth media are quite keen in picking up news from abroad.
That is one of the reasons that IMO it is not useful to translate each 
international PR/announcement, and to make some on our own too, trying 
to relate to the local situation.



I know we haven't defined a process and responsibilites for that yet, so
let's work on it.


I hope my comments help. Pls let me know if there are further questions.

Kind regards,
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Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-05-09 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

Cor Nouws wrote (28-04-11 17:55)

drew wrote (30-03-11 15:27)


Maybe interesting as draft for other languages too? I can provide
English translation (roughly of course).


A good idea idea I suppose. If you would do the rough translation, and
make editable source available of course, I am sure someone will do what
ever small cleanup is necessary.


[ only 28 day's later ;-) ]

pls find my translation to English here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/nl#Materiaal



Ahum :-)
Next Thursday I'm invited to do a presentation on migrations.
Will take a little pile of flyers with me. So if people have 
suggestions, remarks, that I can include: pls let me know. (After all, 
the flyer as it is now, is only a first version, and intended to evolve.)


Thanks & best regards,
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains

2011-05-10 Thread Cor Nouws

luiz wrote (10-05-11 14:24)

[...]


Hi all,

First sorry: I only read some parts of the thread.
At some moments I have the impression that choices that people are 
making / directions they start to work in, are a bit vigorous, partly 
based on what they think that others mean. Rather than on full 
understanding, or even better: on a feeling of mutual interest.


I might be wrong, but if there is some of it in this discussion, would 
it be possible to consider this careful? We are not in a position that 
things have to be sorted out immediately, are we? So a few days won't 
hurt anyone. Misunderstanding might well harm. I am all for finding out 
what unites first, and from that position look to what is different and 
needs to be handled appropriate.


Maybe this is easy to say for a cool blooded western European ;-) but 
anyhow, I really wanted to share this.


Kind regards,
Cor

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Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-05-11 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi webmaster,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (10-05-11 19:26)

I downloaded the English version of the pamphlet linked above, but it
does not seem to work properly.
The images seem to be covered partly with a white column, or something.


I guess that is the text area marker, visible over the images in editing 
mode.



If you go to the North American DVD portal, and go down the page on the
right hand side, you will find the pamphlet that I have on my computer.
[...]


Thanks, looks nice too. But is much longer than the other flyer.
The flyer I started has as purpose:
- small enough, that it cannot hold too much technical details;
- long enough, so that it can answer most important basic questions
  and point to further info
- as an easy hand out as first intro/pointer for each that says 
"LibreOffice, what is that?"

So it contains much less info than your three-fold.

I 'll point the Dutch language community to the three-fold too, so they 
can pick it up as well.


Thanks,
Cor


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Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-05-11 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Drew,

drew wrote (12-05-11 00:18)

and 7 days almost on my side - sorry.


Really no problem. Thanks for taking action :-)


I pulled it down and started some changes to the English - I didn't play
with any graphics on this one, so all I can offer for your excursion
tomorrow is - Best wishes.


Thanks!


ps - I'll push the version I'm editing up to the wiki and follow up with
a link to this thread a bit later.


I'll look at it - the changes can be inspiring/valuable for us too.

Cor

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OT: contributions Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brazilian roles/jobs

2011-05-12 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Tom,

Tom Davies wrote (12-05-11 15:23)

Hi :)
[...]


Sorry that I have to write this. But to large extend, I find your posts 
too generic, not precise enough, and hard to follow/place in the context 
because of your mailing habits.


You could do much better, I am sure. This in general.
However, in this special case, so many more directly involved people 
already write in the thread, that abstention from posting should be 
considered a good option too.

'Open' does not mean that every typed word is a contribution per see.

I hope you will try to understand.

Kind regards,
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes

2011-05-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Marc, all,

[ ooops what a terrible cross post, four lists ;-)
  I skipp the project and website list for the moment
  and IMO follow ups for my subject (see below)
  should be at marketing preferably
  devs with an relevant opinion can either join or
  hire a gohst writer ;-)
]

Marc Paré wrote (27-05-11 16:57)


It's time that we get on with creating the page on the main site. So
unless anyone is going to offer to create/design the page, I'll take
care of it. I have not had a lot of practice at Silverstripe, so you
will have to be patient with me.

We have worked on the screenshot protocols which have now been put on
the website wiki pages[1] (thanks to Klaus! and all other for their
comments). BTW ... .png's will be the format to use. We will have to
point this out to the translation teams for when they take their
screenshots.

* I will follow the same format as on the "New Features and Fixes" web
pages[2]. If I understand it correctly, we are to have a 3.4 webpage and
a 3.3.2 webpage (essentially what we have now on the "New Features and
Fixes webpage). These pages will be used by website visitors to compare
the features between both versions of LibreOffice. We are not comparing
to MSO nor OOo. So, IMO, both pages should have the same page format so
that our visitors feel comfortable moving from one page to the other.

Any comments before I jump in? Any comments?



What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show
 - the release rationale:
   point zero release is only for ..., and not for ...
 - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases
   the knows nasty bugs
On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to 
change that.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] public sector will use ODF in Hungary in the future

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Péter,

Szakál Péter wrote (03-06-11 15:59)


declared that the government is working right now to come up with a
law saying that the Hungarian public sector will use ODF in the
future, wich is the document format used by open source office
solutions, like LibreOffice, OpenOffice etc...


Great news. Congratulations and thanks for sharing!

Cor


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[libreoffice-marketing] Download page: little addition pls

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

IMO the current download page is OK, and the best that could be done in 
the current time frame.
Offering both versions on page, prevents that people easily oversee that 
there is a choice. Especially since the point-zero is for early 
adaptors, that would be bad.
One remark though: IMO it ís necessary to also state in words that the 
3.4.0 *is for early adaptors*. The exclamation mark in itself is not 
clear enough, neither the suggestion that one "might want to read the 
release notes".


If there are no objections, could someone pls add that few words, or 
grant me rights for that part of the website?


Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Help for a message to attract QA members

2011-06-10 Thread Cor Nouws

Sophie Gautier wrote (10-06-11 14:17)


To learn the process and get involved as a first step, we can use the
projects@list, there is low traffic on it and that won't disturb
anybody.


I still have the feeling that we are going to need a QA list some time ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Help for a message to attract QA members

2011-06-10 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Sophie,

Sophie Gautier wrote (10-06-11 08:24)


I would like to draft a message to attract QA people to work on bug
triaging, we need more hands here every day. Could you help me to get
something fun, attractive and that have enough info however to let
people make their decision.


Thanks, a nice idea :-)

Making bug-hunting etc appealing enough for people to step in, indeed is 
not easy, but oh so valuable. It also is important on 
local/national/language level.


What if I posted your draft to the Dutch NL discuss list and ask if 
people feel attracted, and what could be added in their opinion?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] inconsistent boilerplate

2011-06-13 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi *,

Tom Davies wrote (13-06-11 14:23)

From: Florian Effenberger
Tom Davies wrote on 2011-06-13 00.33:



I think it's fine to  have the slight differences there.  In some contexts
we need to  show the continuity of the project and in other contexts we
need to show that this is time for a fresh start.


well, I think the opposite. :-) I  think we should have a consistent
boilerplate, pointing to the roots and past of  TDF, but it should be consistent
amongst the pages.


Hi :)
I'm happy either way
Regards from
Tom :)


So what happens here ?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Help for a message to attract QA members

2011-06-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Sophie,

Sophie Gautier wrote (17-06-11 17:17)


Making bug-hunting etc appealing enough for people to step in, indeed is
not easy, but oh so valuable. It also is important on
local/national/language level.

What if I posted your draft to the Dutch NL discuss list and ask if
people feel attracted, and what could be added in their opinion?


Allo Cor ;) any feedback from the Dutch speaking list on my message ?
Can I post it now (completed of course) ? Thanks


Alas no ideas from that list. I am happy to see my posts there on 
bug-hunting as a mid-term investment ;-)

So feel free to post as is - it is great.

Cheers,
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification

2011-06-22 Thread Cor Nouws

Thanks a lot Italo!

I propose discussion on disc...@documentfoundation.org only, and will 
post there in a minute.


Cor

Italo Vignoli wrote (22-06-11 00:23)

The document is on the wiki.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification

This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free
software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one
of the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for
the code.

Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be
on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real
project after a long incubation.

Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions.




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] inconsistent boilerplate

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Florian Effenberger wrote (24-06-11 13:58)

Christoph Noack wrote on 2011-06-13 16.32:
Sounds good to me! What do others think?


+ 1, thanks, Christoph!

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] inconsistent boilerplate

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Marc Paré wrote (24-06-11 23:48)


I like it too, although, I do second the notion that was mentioned in
Tom Davies reply, that we should also mention StarOffice because, as Tom
so aptly states that we still have remnants of StarOffice usage in
"soffice", "swriter" etc.


I disagree here. The OpenOffice.org community never had anything to do 
with StarOffice. StarOffice had to do with OpenOffice.org. But that is a 
complicated situation to explain, and as said, not our piece of cake.


Cor
( sigh )

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] AppStore

2011-06-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (25-06-11 14:52)

There was quite a lengthy discussion on the discuss list months ago
about the same topic. Many things were written. I think that what would
be really helpful would be if someone were to review the various app
stores rules and terms, and identify the ones we can readily work with
and the other ones where we would have a major legal problem. Would you
like to drive this?
[...]


I support that proposal, Charles !

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enjoy It!

2011-06-27 Thread Cor Nouws


drew wrote (27-06-11 10:38)


Had the opportunity to represent LibreOffice/TDF at a recent Linux
Festival two weeks ago. Took the chance to ask a few of the attendees
what they thought about Libo - here is 90 seconds worth.

http://www.youtube.com/user/libreofficeVols


Thanks !
Forwarded to the Duth NL discuss list as an idea to others ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enjoy It!

2011-06-27 Thread Cor Nouws

drew wrote (27-06-11 10:38)

Hi,

Had the opportunity to represent LibreOffice/TDF at a recent Linux
Festival two weeks ago. Took the chance to ask a few of the attendees
what they thought about Libo - here is 90 seconds worth.

http://www.youtube.com/user/libreofficeVols


Thanks !
Forwarded to the Duth NL discuss list as an idea to others ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 3.4.2 - "will target enterprise deployments" - is limiting the market?

2011-07-05 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (04-07-11 15:48)


The LibreOffice download page has the following statement:

Safely for production need by most users - LibreOffice 3.4.2, available
at the end of July, will target enterprise deployments.


Since I am going out to promote LibreOffice locally, should I promote
3.3.3/3.3.4 for businesses/schools/etc., or should I wait for 3.4.2 to
come out for these businesses and schools?


Since many will run on Windows, do the 3.3.x line.
In the release notes, there is a link to fdo#37488, that will make the 
use for quite some users not so handy yet.



Also the "will target enterprise deployments" part of the statement is
rather "limiting" to me. Some people could think that 3.4.2 is not
appropriate for the personal use or small business use.
[...]


I think it is a search for the right wordings.
Many people, and also smaller business, will work very well with 3.4.1.
For others, it is a good moment to start learning/testing in their 
environment.
But for larger enterprises/many users with varying skills, it is not 
handy to work with 3.4.1.
I guess over time, we will find the right attitude to make it as clear 
as possible.
You may have noticed the work Christoph et all are doing on the new 
download page? (See the blog). Very important in this respect.



So the question really is, once 3.4.2 comes out, should I/we start
promoting it to businesses or continue promoting the 3.3.x line?


We will know by then...

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 3.4.2 list of fixes

2011-07-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Leif,

leif wrote (24-07-11 16:12)


I have created an initial "3.4.2 info about fixes" on the wiki:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.4.2_info_about_fixes


Thanks!
I guess you'll also seen Nnino's one:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nnino/Drafts/bugfixes3.4.2


It's actually just a merge of the two RC's.

Feel free to add or comment ;-)


I added to the Writer section:
 * problems related to printing table borders, (fdo # 37488) resolved

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[libreoffice-marketing] Preparing announcement of the 3.4.2 release

2011-07-24 Thread Cor Nouws
[ Adding libreoffice-dev for _one_ time, so the guess there know we talk 
about this subject and can jump in if they so like ]


Hi all,

   Soon there is an announcement for the 3.4.2 release to be expected. 
So it is time to decide how we can make that version known, also for use 
in enterprises.
   To help this, I start with a little looking back at the past months 
and then explain how I look at the 3.4.2 version. And my ideas about 
announcing.


   With the various previous releases, we were involved in the 
discussions choosing how the announce the release.
   It was obvious that 3.4.0 was a great step, but not ready for use in 
(larger) production environments. As is the case for any point-zero 
release. (And apart from that, it was due to a series of reasons, not 
only the time-based release process).
   3.4.1 brought many bug fixes, but still it was not good enough to 
advise to larger deployments. However, users and companies are eager to 
profit the many improvements of the 3.4-versions. So with the 
announcement of 3.4.1, we stated that the 3.4.2 will target enterprise 
deployments.


   Now, we look at the coming 3.4.2 release. There is a large number of 
60 bugs (or more) fixed in this version.

(See this draft page:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nnino/Drafts/bugfixes3.4.2)
So from the issue gathering the most annoying bugs, many have been 
resolved. (See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35673 )
   Still, there are some issues that I would have to advice my 
customers about (in my work providing professional support for 
enterprises), since they could have effect on their specific work.
   For me this does not mean that 3.4.2 does not 'target for enterprise 
deployments'. But it does not apply for any enterprise deployment too, 
IMHO.
   In general that is no problem, since any serious enterprise will 
test and evaluate any new version for their specific use. Our lists of 
open and fixed bugs will be helpful to them.
   The time that enterprises spent on this check, also allows for 
others to give feed back on issues that might be important for others.


   So, how could this all be reflected in the way we announce 3.4.2?
Basically, the situation IMO is that we can advise enterprises to look 
at this version to deploy. In cases where specific bugs block the use, 
there is a good change - looking at the current speed of fixing bugs) 
that the 3.4.3 release (in another month) will be the right one, so the 
preparations companies do, will be time spent useful.


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[libreoffice-marketing] Preparing announcement of the 3.4.2 release

2011-07-24 Thread Cor Nouws
[ Adding libreoffice-dev for _one_ time, so the guys there know we talk 
about this subject and can jump in if they so like ]


Hi all,

   Soon there is an announcement for the 3.4.2 release to be expected. 
So it is time to decide how we can make that version known, also for use 
in enterprises.
   To help this, I start with a little looking back at the past months 
and then explain how I look at the 3.4.2 version. And my ideas about 
announcing.


   With the various previous releases, we were involved in the 
discussions choosing how the announce the release.
   It was obvious that 3.4.0 was a great step, but not ready for use in 
(larger) production environments. As is the case for any point-zero 
release. (And apart from that, it was due to a series of reasons, not 
only the time-based release process).
   3.4.1 brought many bug fixes, but still it was not good enough to 
advise to larger deployments. However, users and companies are eager to 
profit the many improvements of the 3.4-versions. So with the 
announcement of 3.4.1, we stated that the 3.4.2 will target enterprise 
deployments.


   Now, we look at the coming 3.4.2 release. There is a large number of 
60 bugs (or more) fixed in this version.

(See this draft page:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nnino/Drafts/bugfixes3.4.2)
So from the issue gathering the most annoying bugs, many have been 
resolved. (See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35673 )
   Still, there are some issues that I would have to advice my 
customers about (in my work providing professional support for 
enterprises), since they could have effect on their specific work.
   For me this does not mean that 3.4.2 does not 'target for enterprise 
deployments'. But it does not apply for any enterprise deployment too, IMHO.
   In general that is no problem, since any serious enterprise will 
test and evaluate any new version for their specific use. Our lists of 
open and fixed bugs will be helpful to them.
   The time that enterprises spent on this check, also allows for 
others to give feed back on issues that might be important for others.


   So, how could this all be reflected in the way we announce 3.4.2?
Basically, the situation IMO is that we can advise enterprises to look 
at this version to deploy. In cases where specific bugs block the use, 
there is a good change - looking at the current speed of fixing bugs) 
that the 3.4.3 release (in another month) will be the right one, so the 
preparations companies do, will be time spent useful.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] voiceovers for LibOCon

2011-07-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Tom Davies wrote (25-07-11 17:52)

Hi :)
Ahah that makes sense.  I wondered why Florian asked me! lol.  If he meant to
ask Craig that makes a lot more sense to me!


That is no lol - answering threads where you are involved, is a PITA, 
because of your mail-habits.
Sorry that I have to say this, but there are more examples that people 
are confused about the writer of a text.



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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Preparing announcement of the 3.4.2 release

2011-07-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Caolán, *,

Caolán McNamara wrote (25-07-11 13:27)

On Mon, 2011-07-25 at 02:18 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

 Still, there are some issues that I would have to advice my
customers about (in my work providing professional support for
enterprises), since they could have effect on their specific work.


If you wish to have a "enterprise-ready" or "enterprise-ready" concept,
you then need to have an objective set of criteria that defines what
that is. A check-list of features, bugs, or something. Ideally something
which could then be coded into a automated regression test, and make the
whole thing completely moot by cutting off at the knees the possibility
of regression/changes happening of becoming non-enterprise ready.


Sounds interesting to have that, but would very difficult too: what to 
include, and what not, etc etc.

So indeed the word "Ideally" is chosen right, IMO.


I don't think any release is likely to meet an open-ended set
enterprise-ready criteria.


That supports the view that each company should make the judgement for 
its own situation, isn't it? There is no sharp line between OK and not 
yet OK, no black-white situation.
Of course we should help enterprises by giving proper release 
information and such.



Especially as, as happens with "blocker bugs", there is a tendency for
but reporters to naturally attempt to escalate a bug which matters to
them to the top priority to try and get it seen above the crowd. So
enterprise-ready would just gets hijacked.


Hmm, I do recognise that: in #35673 there is at least one annoying bug 
listed that was submitted by me, but that should not be considered a 
blocker for enterprise use ;-)

Therefore the eyes of many are needed to get a balanced opinion.
From the open issues in #35673, IMO some should be looked at (*)  by 
enterprises, when preparing the upgrade, though some of them are present 
in 3.3.x too, I guess. Will try to have a closer look at that last point 
(3.3.x <> 3.4.x) tomorrow (or the day after). But can only do that on 
Ubuntu, not on Mac or Windows...


Regards,
Cor

*) I would advise data-source connection plus mail merge in general, 
plus 36631, 39447, 37015, 37024, 37030, 37487, 37620. 38542, 38595, 38745.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] Preparing announcement of the 3.4.2 release

2011-07-26 Thread Cor Nouws

Caolán McNamara wrote (26-07-11 10:57)

On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 00:10 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:



Caolán McNamara wrote (25-07-11 13:27)

On Mon, 2011-07-25 at 02:18 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

  Still, there are some issues that I would have to advice my
customers about (in my work providing professional support for
enterprises), since they could have effect on their specific work.


If you wish to have a "enterprise-ready" or "enterprise-ready" concept,
you then need to have an objective set of criteria that defines what
that is. A check-list of features, bugs, or something. Ideally something
which could then be coded into a automated regression test, and make the
whole thing completely moot by cutting off at the knees the possibility
of regression/changes happening of becoming non-enterprise ready.


Sounds interesting to have that, but would very difficult too: what to
include, and what not, etc etc.


My point is just that; I don't know where the "enterprise-ready" term
wandered in as a meme,


   As explained in my initial mail, the term came up in the discussion 
around the 3.4.0 release. Since we say that a point-zero release 
definitely is not to be used in enterprise environments, that also hold 
the expectation that we can advise a later version as such.



and if it is to be used as an argument for
release blocking, schedule changes, criteria for release, argument for
defining one version as stable and another not, etc. then surely it has
to be accompanied by an objective test.


   If you see it as exact science: yes. But I do not see labelling a 
version as 'enterprise ready' as that.



The smoketest.sxw macro using test is a possible model for scripting up
some high-level test cases, e.g. there's been a bit of foo around mail
merge. It should be possible without any super-dooper development
knowledge to knock up a mail merge (non-email) test based on the basic
database smoketest section of that. That'd give an objective "enterprise
mail-merge requirements pass" test for example.


   Well, that should be attractive for part of the users at least!


   From the open issues in #35673, IMO some should be looked at (*)  by
enterprises, when preparing the upgrade, though some of them are present
in 3.3.x too, I guess. Will try to have a closer look at that last point
(3.3.x<>  3.4.x) tomorrow (or the day after). But can only do that on
Ubuntu, not on Mac or Windows...

Regards,
Cor

*) I would advise data-source connection plus mail merge in general,
plus 36631, 39447, 37015, 37024, 37030, 37487, 37620. 38542, 38595, 38745.


There's the tangled-up concept of blessing 3.3.X as enterprise-ready and
3.4.X as not. So if an above bug exist in 3.3.X as well as 3.4.Y, then
it presumably isn't relevant as a basis in selecting one LibreOffice
version over another or as a blocking criteria for the next version,
right ?.


   Yes, that is the logic behind it.
   The other side is, that 3.4.x offers much new and improvements to, 
that can well outweigh then some particular 3.4 bugs. And since that can 
easily be an individual choice, it can never be exact science drawing a 
sharp line. But based on current information, I would say 3.4.2 can be 
considered by most enterprise users.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] conference web buttons/banners

2011-07-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Drew Jensen wrote (29-07-11 17:33)


Wanted to let you know that I went ahead and put together a couple of
ideas for some LIbreOffice Conference web buttons/banners. You can find
the graphics and associated html snippet for inclusion in external
websites here:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Buttons/Conference
[...]


Thanks a lot, Drew :-)

http://nl.libreoffice.org/

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[libreoffice-marketing] Banners / visual elements

2011-07-30 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi *,

On the Dutch list, some people want a banner for general LibreOffice 
promotion.


So far we've seen http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements

a. did we miss /oversee something?
b. it is not linked from the marketing wiki (as far as I can see). 
Someone working often on the marketing wiki knowing where to do that best?
c. if there comes out a specific idea from the Dutch list, of course 
I'll keep you updated.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software

2011-08-04 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57)


I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding
terminology:

- Instead of solely using "open source", I was asked that we should also
use "free software".

- "Linux" should be referred to as "GNU/Linux".
[...]

Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone
has severe concerns on that?


Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an 
extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand.


The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's 
more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a 
bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is 
so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers

2011-08-07 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (07-08-11 20:33)

[...]
Ideally, for every international projects that we currently have -
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists - we should find
at least two community representatives, ideally even three. They will be
listed on an official website, should get some official title that we
still can decide on ("Marketing Contact" might be a good choice, but I'm
open to other solutions), be elegible to use LibreOffice business cards,
and will be the first point of contact for any marketing, PR or
journalist-related inquiries in their area. So, while not legally
representing the Foundation, those contacts should be recognized as
officially spokespeople for the project and the community.
[...]


Thanks for bringing this contacts-idea up :-)


I would like to ask everyone to discuss this idea on their local mailing
lists in their native language (feel free to translate my e-mail if you
want), and to hear what they are thinking. [...]


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] All hospitals in capital region goes Libre

2011-08-09 Thread Cor Nouws

Leif Lodahl wrote (09-08-11 14:42)

Just for your information...


Thanks for letting us know...


Al hospitals in the capital region in Denmark (Copenhagen region) is
dropping MS Office and will shift to LibreOffice. Its 25.000 users!



The (very proud) Danish Team


With right and reason - congratulations Leif!

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[libreoffice-marketing] LIbreOffice visible in Kenia

2011-08-16 Thread Cor Nouws

http://www.docufacts.co.ke/487/open-source-libreoffice-the-free-document-productivity-suite-for-african-offices-download/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] call for location 2012

2011-08-17 Thread Cor Nouws

Vitorio Furusho wrote (17-08-11 14:02)


Excuse me for having early to suggest a site for 2012.

Anyway, I think it would be nice to switch the place of the Conference
LibreOffice in different continents (Americas, Europe, Africa, Asia and
Oceania)


This is an important point to consider. But I guess is has to be in 
balance with attracting the target audience: developers.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers

2011-08-17 Thread Cor Nouws

drew wrote (17-08-11 14:52)


if you want to look to a model then look to Ubuntu Local Teams


Can you explain more?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers

2011-08-17 Thread Cor Nouws

drew wrote (17-08-11 15:14)

On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 14:58 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

drew wrote (17-08-11 14:52)


if you want to look to a model then look to Ubuntu Local Teams


Can you explain more?


I thought you'd never ask


Oh, sorry if I missed a prior suggestion from your side.


Quick comment:

IMO the way the Marcons structure was at OpenOffice.org was passive, you
setup a list of individuals as contacts in local areas and then they
waited for something to happen.


That is how it worked out mostly. Anyway, eventually.
I have not been involved in the early years, but from what I remember 
there has been exchange of / demand for (year) reports in the early times.



What the Ubuntu Local Team approach does is say, you must demonstrate
that there is:

1 - more then one person in an area as a contact
2 - these people are actively engaged in local activities
3 - REQUIRE feedback from these people on a regular basis
[This has to be both a carrot / stick approach, heavy on the carrot]

in other words, and I realize only my POV, it seemed that the Marcon
model was passive, where as the Local Team approach is pro-active.


In any case I recognise that there was activity from our local Ubuntu 
group. But the Dutch language group was not completely inactive either ;-)


Whatever it may be: I support the idea that a pro-active approach is 
what we need.
So we definitely need to learn from the good examples that help to build 
such a sustainable community.
A good visibility, as the list that Warrens refers to, is one important 
thing of course.



Fabian Rodriquez made what I thought were good points along these lines
a few months back, I think on the fr mailing list (discuss?) and I'll go
look for that for a reference for this thread.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] call for location 2012

2011-08-17 Thread Cor Nouws

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (17-08-11 19:36)


Well... here's the reason why I was opposing this in the first place.
Maybe it's just my perception but I found the advertisement of the
Paris conference to be a bit weak and I am afraid that moving on to
another conference will blur the message.


It can also be used as yet another link, to get attention for this years 
conference :-)



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers

2011-08-17 Thread Cor Nouws

drew wrote (17-08-11 16:52)

On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 15:48 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

drew wrote (17-08-11 15:14)



I thought you'd never ask


Oh, sorry if I missed a prior suggestion from your side.


*smile*..no, it was a joke about how quickly you responded..


Just as my reply was a sort of under cooled ;-)
(how to explain that :-) )


I knew the first post was extremely shy on actual content and as I hit
send thought 'won't take long for someone to ask..and it didn't'.


Your expectation was very correct :-)

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[libreoffice-marketing] Paris conference - info on costs for participants on website

2011-08-18 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi *,

On the conference site I do not see information about the cost of the 
participants. I expect it to be zero Euro, but would be fine of people 
can read that too?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Paris conference - info on costs for participants on website

2011-08-18 Thread Cor Nouws

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (18-08-11 10:36)

Sure!


Something as:
"Thanks to our sponsors and the volunteers helping with organising, 
participating this conference is free of charge. However if you register 
and eventually are not able to come to our conference, which we would 
really regret, please inform is as soon as possible. This allows us to 
make due preparations for the right number of participants."


(far too long?)

And this on top or bottom of the registration page?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Cycle of lectures about LibreOffice - Brazil

2011-08-20 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Eliane,

Inspiring news! I wish you all success with the lectures :-)

Cor

Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote (20-08-11 16:42)

Dear all,

I would like to share with you the participation of Brazilian
LibreOffice Community in the cycle of lectures about LibreOffice in 3
top universities in Recife, Brazil. In this opportunity I will promote
the Community, especially development.

It will happen in the end of this month. The schedule is here, only in
portuguese: http://www.fuctura.com.br/eventos-programados

Kind regards.

Eliane Domingos



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted

2011-08-21 Thread Cor Nouws


Thorsten Behrens wrote (19-08-11 13:38)


Anyone here wanting to draft some blog post announcing it to the
wider public?



 == draft in Dunglish ;-)  - remarks appreciated =

New LibreOffice extensions site - feedback appreciated!\

One of the most appreciated function in LibreOffice are the extensions.
Download the smart extras to do your job or hobby, or even crate your 
own extension.
Recent there has been done some great work by TDF member Andreas Mantke 
and his team to create a LibreOffice extensions website.
Apart from that it is fine to have our own repository, full of free 
extensions, it also helps users that want to download extensions from 
the older OpenOffice.org extension site. Those that have tried that 
recently, will have noticed that the service is not reliable at the 
moment. And it is unclear when the migration to the Apache OpenOffice 
project will be in place.


So... go and see here: http://extensions-test.libreoffice.org/ ... But 
wait: it's not yet finished. Nevertheless you are warmly invited to have 
a look, play with it, add some extensions if you have those and give 
feed back. Your submitted extensions will be kept when the final

site goes live!
If you have something to share, please do so via mail to ???
or have a look at the pointers on the wiki: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_Repository




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted

2011-08-26 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Florian,


OK for me :-)
Do you think about sending an announcement?
My first writing was done with a blog in mind. So we can use both media?

Cheers,
Cor

Florian Effenberger wrote (26-08-11 12:45)

Cor Nouws wrote on 2011-08-21 13:16:

== draft in Dunglish ;-) - remarks appreciated =


thanks! Based on the feedback from Andreas Mantke and your draft, I've
drafted this one - thoughts welcome!

==
LibreOffice launches extension and templates repository for public beta
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted

2011-08-26 Thread Cor Nouws

Gustavo Pacheco wrote (26-08-11 17:17)


"LibreOffice remains committed to providing users with quality software
authored under free software licenses, and, as such, our catalogue of
extensions and templates are published under free software licenses."

Then, I think it's important in the post.


+1
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Extension website - broader publicity wanted

2011-08-26 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your remarks. I think those are fine, except that the 
intention of my first sentence is different. But I do have to improve it:
  "One of the most appreciated functions in LibreOffice is the 
possibility to add and create extensions. "


Now waiting for the route: announcement & / || blog.

Cor

Tom Davies wrote (21-08-11 14:03)

Hi :)
One problem with changes are that it might lose the energy of the original.  I
liked the original.  It's always easier to criticise than to create so i have
been able to try some potential changes directly into Cor's idea without
changing the idea (hopefully).


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[libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi David, all,

David Nelson wrote (13-09-11 09:05)


As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to
think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for
various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to
volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for
contributors.

Marketing guys, can you give this consideration?


Looks a good idea to me.

The goal is to make it attractive for developers, isn't it?
Of course those people are not attracted by a just mail base list for 
their own. They can be attracted when the work is considered cool, 
technology wise interesting, some area they user for themselves, maybe 
important. At least, that is my first thought.

So we should think about bringing that message across.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-14 Thread Cor Nouws

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (14-09-11 03:39)


So we really need to get more people to learn Base and ways for other to
easily learn how to use it.


People helping other people/business indeed carry the responsibility to 
make sure they are well equipped to do that job. This is of course more 
important, if you do professional services.
Documentation is not as good as could be, but it can be done, especially 
by professionals.


This is not the same however as attracting people to work on development 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-14 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (14-09-11 19:57)

Le Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:27:27 +0200,
Alexander Thurgood  a écrit :

Le 14/09/11 15:05, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :



As an example: should Base be scrapped off? Should we use it as a
front end to another DB? should we try to compete with Access?


I would not be surprised if many answer that they would be delighted if 
Base allows them to directly load the full functional Access databases  ;-)


But apart from that, gathering information and learning what people's 
use is etc. is good.
That can lead to some direction, parallel to/apart from the wish to 
solve certain bugs.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-14 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Charles, Alex,

Great survey already :-)
I have some little points I want to add.

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (14-09-11 21:32)


1) Users typology
- platform
- modules that are the most used (list all LibreOffice modules and
   allow the responding person to select each of them from 1 to 5)



2) About Base:


If using Base, do you use :
1) builtin (native) HSQLDB ;
2) another database engine (e.g. mysql, postgresql, H2, firebird,
DB2, etc)
3) if the answer to (2) was "Yes", which kind of database
engine ?
4) if the answer to (2) was "Yes" which kind of connector
(JDBC, ODBC, MySQL C Connector extension, postgresql connector
extension, some other driver etc) ?



If using Base, do you :
1) need it for personal/domestic use only
2) need it for small scale professional use
3) need it for large scale, multi-user, business or organisation use


I would insert the fourth (non-exclusive question):
4) do you use it as a replacement for MS Access?


I would add  "(possibly in combination with other applications)"


- how would you rate Base?  (choice between "it's bad, it's very
buggy, it's okay but it could be much better,  I really like it").


Scale of 1 to 5 (as in 1 for total agreement through indifferent (3)
to 5 total disagreement with the statement) ?


In general, it is better to avoid an odd number. By having 1-4, you 
force people to chose the better or worse side.



"What single feature or functionality would you most like to see fixed
rapidly ?"
(like I said, I'm not too happy with this kind of reasoning, especially
where there are several issues that vie for popularity in my own mind ;-))


The reason I deliberately inserted this question (I agree with your
rephrasing) is that I am interested to see whether we actually may find
one or several patterns in the answers. There are chances we'll get
noise, but it'd be telling to pick some trend.


And it will show what hinders users most in the current situation. Also 
handy to know.



3) Base in the future
- do you plan to use Base more or less in the future?



- do you plan to use Base as a front end to external DB or do you
plan to use it as a front end to the embedded HSQLDB?
- do you think LibreOffice should get rid of Base?
- If LibreOffice were to get rid of Base, what would you be using
as a front end to databases? (freeform answer).


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-14 Thread Cor Nouws

Robert Ryley wrote (14-09-11 22:57)

This is precisely information that is not documented at the moment,
and - indeed - some aspects are still probably in evolution. Only the
project's leading devs could really give you a satisfactory answer.

But, certainly, the lack of developer documentation is something that
is a real brake to people wanting to ease themselves into a position
of being able to hack code for the project. AFAIK, a lot of the Java
is being replaced with Perl.


This is a very disappointing development.


You react on an assumption from David and Robert, who state they not 
know exactly what is going to happen.


From what I saw at the developer list, there will only be some 
replacement of Java in the wizards, if possible.

The developers will not choose to make the life harder.
Change in API is no affect of (possible) replacement of parts of java code.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4.3 running on Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Jesús,

Jesús Corrius wrote (15-09-11 17:38)


LibreOffice 3.4.3 seems to work fine on Windows 8:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcorrius/6150424076

Good news! :)


Thanks - spreading the news via twitter :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base

2011-09-16 Thread Cor Nouws

Stefan Weigel wrote (16-09-11 07:43)


Migration from Access is hardly about a backend and data. It is more
about the application that is built out of forms, reports, queries,
makros, menus, and - above all - the VBA Code inside an MDB-File,
MDA-File or APT-File.

I am very unsure, if "easy migration from Access" is an attainable
goal for LibO.


Same for me ..

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[libreoffice-marketing] 1 year TDF / LibreOffice in Dutch press

2011-09-28 Thread Cor Nouws

see:

http://www.automatiseringgids.nl/technologie/software/2011/39/alternatief-voor-openofficeorg-timmert-aan-de-weg.aspx

thanks for all working on the announcement

& *congratulations* to you all :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Conference 2011

2011-10-10 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Marc,

Marc Paré wrote (10-10-11 22:15)

Le 2011-10-10 16:13, Marc Paré a écrit :

To all who participants and organizers of the LibreOffice Conference
2011, hope you all have a great time! Of course, we all wish we could be
there!


Sorry that you will not be there. But of course for example the distance 
and related travel cost are something not to underestimate.



Take a lot of photos and videos. We would like to see and hear how it
went too.


I'm sure people will do that!


Oops! I also wanted to thank most of all those who helped organize the
conference. You are all awesome!


Yeah, some people really do a great job.

Thanks for your kind wishes,
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Getting occurences of OpenOffice.org changed to LibreOffice - suggestions ?

2011-10-28 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Fabian,

Fabian Rodriguez wrote (27-10-11 14:43)


I occasionally still come across web sites and software bundles that
include OpenOffice.org.

Is there a recommended text / email template to use to suggest to such
content editors they switch to LibO ?


There is none, that I know of.
Often it depends on situation what you would want to write.


I can think of a few reasons but I've been away from the mailing lists
here for a few months now so I thought I'd ask directly in case there
are recent efforts for this.


Can you post your ideas? I'll be glad to add mine. Maybe that will 
already result in a great default text to use?


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[libreoffice-marketing] presentation Easy Hacking - last weekend at T-Dose

2011-11-13 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi *,

As a final action for the past week, I just posted the presentation on 
easy hacking LibreOffice that I gave at T-Dose, the Saturday before.  See:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material#Presentation

Please reuse and extend :-)


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[libreoffice-marketing] Presentations at recent ODF Plugfest, Gouda, Netherlands

2011-11-21 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

The presentations I gave are available here

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events#Europe
(row with ODF Plugfest - obviously)

I wrote some lines to the dev-list too:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-November/020826.html
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-November/020884.html

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on TV

2011-12-01 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Nguyen,

Nguyen Vu Hung (kiei) wrote (01-12-11 16:27)


Please skip here to see my face :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PFowLtr39Ug#t=319s


Will look later - on the train without connection currently.


Please shed me some ideas what should I talk about LibreOffice in the
past 1 year and its future.
What are the messages that LibreOffice community wants to send to
Vietnamese users and Vietnamese goverment?


Recently I gave presentations at the ODF plugfest.
They are available here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events#Europe
(row with ODF Plugfest - obviously)
The general presentation will give the idea:
  LibreOffice makes it easy to join
  to realise what is important for you
  has a strong and growing community.

See also the last part of Kohei's recent blog:
http://kohei.us/2011/11/30/performance-improvement-in-opening-ods/

Without doubt Italo will have some presentations too.

Wishing you success and joy with the work !


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice on TV

2011-12-02 Thread Cor Nouws

Ngày 11/12/01 23:39, Cor Nouws viết:

Nguyen Vu Hung (kiei) wrote (01-12-11 16:27)


Please skip here to see my face :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PFowLtr39Ug#t=319s


Will look later - on the train without connection currently.


Thanks for sharing - nice film with calm explanation :-)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Nice Review

2011-12-14 Thread Cor Nouws

Italo Vignoli wrote (14-12-11 23:17)


Lifehacker has a huge number of readers exactly where we fall short,
i.e. in the Windows environment, and a substantially positive review is
making noise and creating interest.


Well, 'cheap but missing some features' ... people that know Writer 
better, will choose it for features and stability.
But hey, indeed that's something people will discover themselves once 
their interest is there ;-)

So good to have that article!

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Draft PR for bug hunting session

2011-12-20 Thread Cor Nouws

Italo Vignoli wrote (19-12-11 22:45)


OK, I changed the press release. The parallel with the SPECTRE was quite
effective... We lose some humour, though, which might help when you do
not have a strong media hook.


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Draft PR for bug hunting session

2011-12-20 Thread Cor Nouws

Italo Vignoli wrote (20-12-11 11:40)

On 12/20/11 9:07 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:


Thanks - fine for me now :-)


I have not heard from anyone else, and I would like to distribute in the
afternoon or tomorrow morning at the latest (Xmas is approaching for
everyone).

Can you please have a final look at the last draft and confirm?


Again: for me it's perfect.
The rules for awarding " the title of Bug Hunting Hero " are not 
complicated, nor ask a lot of time, so Rainer and me will be able to 
handle that, IMO. I like the idea :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Bug Hunting Session

2011-12-22 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Italo,

Italo Vignoli wrote (22-12-11 20:38)

It looks like several people will try to become the Bug Hunting Hero...
[]
Nice to see that our announcements gets picked up nicely.


Thanks for your invaluable helping and gathering the publications.
Any non-English publications spotted ?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Christmas tree

2011-12-23 Thread Cor Nouws

Dear Eliane,

Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote (23-12-11 15:21)


Just a little gift :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elianedomingos/6559228203/


Thanks - lovely!
I was just thinking about some tree like that for an interview 
(LibreOffice devs) that I work on for Christmas.

Will be published on our blog.
May I use that one, or slightly adapted :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Christmas tree

2011-12-23 Thread Cor Nouws

Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote (23-12-11 16:23)


We used this image in our blog,
http://libreofficebrasil.blogspot.com/2011/12/mensagem-de-boas-festas-da-document.html

It would be nice use it in the oficial blog:
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/12/22/merry-christmas-and-a-happy-new-year
what do you think?


Hey ho! I already asked to use it for the interview that will be 
published in the blog :-P

Using it there once, seems enough to me :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of OOo bugs fixed in LibreOffice

2011-12-23 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Charles, all,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (23-12-11 18:19)


Since we're entering the bughunting season, Eike and Cor have come up
with a list of bugs that were reported in the old OOo bugzilla and that
got fixed inside LibreOffice. It might be good, marketing wise, to have
this list and share it.

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=grep&q=i%23
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=grep&q=%23i


Thanks for posting this, but Eike and me were not yet ready with our 
work. The queries list all commits that involve some issue from 
OpenOffice(.org). But among those, there are also issues that have been 
fixed in OOo, or issues that represent features that were developed by 
OpenOffice-developers.
So all, please clean up the lists before spreading as if it are all old 
bugs, fixed in LibreOffice. That's only true for part of them.


Sorry that I omitted to finish this earlier / expressing myself clearly 
enough in advance.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Best of Wishes in the New Year to All

2011-12-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Marc Paré wrote (24-12-11 16:43)

To the marketing team and all at LibreOffice. Yes, it has been a
tremendous year!

Have a safe Holiday period, don't drink and drive!


Thanks Marc!
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Happy New Year from Brazil

2012-01-01 Thread Cor Nouws

Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote (31-12-11 14:18)


I wish you a great new year. All of you made an incredible work this
year.


Thanks for all you and all others contributed to that :-)

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[libreoffice-marketing] Linux and 'Des nouvelles d'OpenOffice.org' (the new OOo)

2012-01-03 Thread Cor Nouws

http://discoverlinux-clemi46.blogspot.com/2011/12/des-nouvelles-dopenofficeorg.html

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[libreoffice-marketing] FOSDEM stand preparation

2012-01-11 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

Soon - in a few weeks, there will be FOSDEM in Brussels again.
  http://www.fosdem.org/2012/
TDF/LibreOffice will have a nice stand there.

So it is time to look for people that will join, one or two day's.
And at what people will / hope to bring
 - stand attributes (posters..)
 - t-shirts/others goods to hand out in change for a gift
 - 

People here that know/expect they will be there?
And have items/ideas to bring in?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libo push

2012-01-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Dave,

Dave Johnson wrote (17-01-12 22:42)


Just wanted to pass on that I have been promoting libreoffice  on 5 campus
in middle tennessee usa.
I have contacted via email as many as 300 individual students.
I will be passing out as many libreoffice dvd's as I can make.
Please forward this message to the group so everybody can  know what I'm
doing in tennessee


Thanks - sounds as useful work and lovely to do - communicating with 
students :-)


Maybe you got any feedback too?

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[libreoffice-marketing] Nice introductionary read about big open source projects featuring Ubuntu, LibreOffice and Firefox

2012-01-22 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

nice read:

 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/372343/the-making-of-open-source-software

(thanks to Bjoern for making me aware)


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Turkish classrooms to use LibreOffice

2012-01-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:13)

Thanks for sharing Florian,


I guess this is something we could use for marketing if done wisely!


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] FOSDEM stand preparation

2012-01-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Charles-H. Schulz wrote (14-01-12 16:00)

I'll arrive Friday afternoon and leave Sunday evening.


smthng similar for me.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] FOSDEM stand preparation

2012-01-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,


Cor Nouws wrote (12-01-12 01:32)


So it is time to look for people that will join, one or two day's.
And at what people will / hope to bring
- stand attributes (posters..)


last year Christoph/Jacqueline brought some large banners.
Are they or others planning again carrying that stuff?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Turkish classrooms to use LibreOffice

2012-01-24 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Zeki,

Zeki Bildirici wrote (24-01-12 23:10)


I wroted that blog post, and thanks to Florian bringing the subject to here.
[...]
So just relax, it will be nice for sharing this news :)


Thanks for your clear explanation, and all the good work on this.
The blog found its way alreay via Twitter this afternoon.

Pls keep us informed, and I wish you great success!

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] 3d code & macros

2012-01-31 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Warren,

Warren Camilleri wrote (30-01-12 09:46)


I have been asked if LO Calc can handle 3 dimension Code and VBA Macros
found in Excell,


More something for the users-list, IMHO ;-)
But hey: I guess some will work quite well. A bit ore not.
So definitely something for an experienced 'simple' user to try & tweak !

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Free CD/DVD & support of LibreOffice by Japan OSS Promotion Forum

2012-02-10 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Takeshi Abe,

Florian Effenberger wrote (08-02-12 10:00)


Takeshi Abe wrote on 2012-02-07 16:40:

Let me share a good news for LibreOffice at this February.
[...]


thank you very much for sharing these news with us! It is really good to
see that people are working to help those who suffered from the
earthquake, and that LibreOffice can support these efforts.


Really great what your group is achieving. Congratulations!

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Office Suite of the Year! "2011 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards"

2012-02-10 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Danishka,

Danishka Navin wrote (10-02-12 14:42)


i haven't read TDF blogs for several months and how can we expect others
from my community?


So you could think to link to the blog, or the planet.
But you initially wrote "from the splash".
Hmm, for me that's visible about 0.4 seconds :-)
Maybe you mean the start center? Looks a good place to me indeed. 
However, looking at it, as third Icon I see "get more information about 
LibreOffice x" which links to the home page already ...


So we could extend, improve that?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Are we ambassadors ?

2012-02-13 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Sophie,

Sophie Gautier wrote (08-02-12 17:48)


What do you think of the idea


I like it, but also see that it's quite a structure, with membership 
committee and such.

I expect we will grow towards that in the future.


and who would be ready to work on settling the structure for the LibreOffice 
project ?


Sorry, but I've to say 'no' at the moment.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] simpler download page activated for live test on www.libreoffice.org

2012-02-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote (19-02-12 16:33)


despite some details not being perfect,


What details are on the list, currently Christian, as far as you are 
concerned ?



the simplified download page is now activated on www.libreoffice.org


Thanks all!




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] simpler download page activated for live test on www.libreoffice.org

2012-02-20 Thread Cor Nouws

Christian Lohmaier wrote (19-02-12 21:57)


On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:



What details are on the list, currently Christian, as far as you are
concerned ?


[...]
Another item is the version selection/presenting of the different
versions - the whole thing about .0 releases and conservative users
being better served with the old release/one of the following bugfix
releases.


Picking out just this one:
maybe it's fine if there is a link to the release policy on top (1st 
item) of the release notes?
The release notes have a clear link now, and people bearing more 
responsibility for IT tasks, for sure will check those.


For the rest: I think the new page serves for the vast majority of the 
visitors, so that is a huge improvement.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] simpler download page activated for live test on www.libreoffice.org

2012-03-07 Thread Cor Nouws

Cor Nouws wrote (20-02-12 10:27)

Christian Lohmaier wrote (19-02-12 21:57)



Another item is the version selection/presenting of the different
versions - the whole thing about .0 releases and conservative users
being better served with the old release/one of the following bugfix
releases.


Picking out just this one:
maybe it's fine if there is a link to the release policy on top (1st
item) of the release notes?
The release notes have a clear link now, and people bearing more
responsibility for IT tasks, for sure will check those.


I've added this page:
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-policy/

Would love to have it linked in the group of "Handy resources" at the 
download page.

Can someone pls explain me how I can do that?

Also, would like to add "optional" to the help-download.

As a side effect of adding our release policy to the navigation, there 
is to much text in horizontal direction.
Hmm, I suggest to have one item "features" about the 3.5 and there on 
top linking to 3.4 and previous (as is done now with 3.3. on the 3.4 
page). OK?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] simpler download page activated for live test on www.libreoffice.org

2012-03-14 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

This mail seems to be unnoticed, In any case unanswered..


Cor Nouws wrote (07-03-12 15:40)

Cor Nouws wrote (20-02-12 10:27)

Christian Lohmaier wrote (19-02-12 21:57)



Another item is the version selection/presenting of the different
versions - the whole thing about .0 releases and conservative users
being better served with the old release/one of the following bugfix
releases.


Picking out just this one:
maybe it's fine if there is a link to the release policy on top (1st
item) of the release notes?
The release notes have a clear link now, and people bearing more
responsibility for IT tasks, for sure will check those.


I've added this page:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-policy/

Would love to have it linked in the group of "Handy resources" at the
download page.
Can someone pls explain me how I can do that?

Also, would like to add "optional" to the help-download.

As a side effect of adding our release policy to the navigation, there
is to much text in horizontal direction.
Hmm, I suggest to have one item "features" about the 3.5 and there on
top linking to 3.4 and previous (as is done now with 3.3. on the 3.4
page). OK?

Best,




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO installed in 147 PC work stations in a Greek Municipality

2012-03-27 Thread Cor Nouws

Dear Constantine,

Kostas Mousafiris wrote (28-03-12 08:26)


we are very happy here in GreekLUG



(outskirts of Thessaloniki, Greece), have accepted to allow its IT
Department to collaborate with us and the final result is that they
proceded to the installation of LibO as their official office suite to
*all 147 PC work stations!*


great news! Thanks for sharing & the clear information.

Congratulations with this success :-)

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