Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Brian - perhaps you're confusing BioD with SVO or WVO (straight or waste vegetable oil). The later require conversion to run straight, or dilution with dino fuel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
I replaced my GPs and the GP relay within the past 3 weeks or so. Yesterday, the preglow light came on for only a second or less - even though it was in the upper 40s and hadn't been started since the night before - it was stone cold - it started instantly although it runs like one cylinder isn't firing evenly. Within a minute the engine idles runs smoothly. That's way too quick. No wonder it ran poorly. I'm wondering about the possibility of a GP being bad out of the box? Certainly. The relay, too. It happens. 'New' relays usually are new old stock, and the internal components can fail with age, though not so much as with use. Most likely is the GP, or its wiring. Also - is there a way to check each GP without removing them Sure. The quick way is to pull the plug off the GP relay and use a DMM to measure the resistance to ground of each one. The rated value is 0.6 ohms, though it can vary with temperature. The important part is that they all be about the same. Even better is to use a hefty ammeter to measure the current to each one. I just did that on the 190D a couple of days ago. Within a couple of seconds each one dropped from about 28A to under 20A, except for the bad one that was drawing about 2x normal current. (_That_ is a weird failure mode.) Most people don't own an ammeter that is good for more than 10A, however. The GP's seem to be pretty basic - but I guess the innards could be bad in one. They are pretty basic, but they're not as simple as the old series plugs. -- Jim
[MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
After much consternation and diagnostic fury, there's not much more to say that this picture doesn't explain: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_temp%20wire.JPG Upon discovery, I embarked upon a boisterous, scholarly and somewhat salty discourse with the inanimate objects residing in my shop. After which, I started the van and heard a most peculiar noise. Here's the happy surprise that awaited my return to the engine compartment: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_d%20o.JPG I think I'll start drinking early today... -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
I don't know about the regular rubber lines purchased from Rusty, but I was told (I called) that the lines he carries are the stock fabric-reinforced rubber return lines. The stock injector return lines on my 300CD were turning into goo and beginning to leak after running B100 biodiesel for several months. This is a direct observation of physical fact, not a misconception. Lee Luther Gulseth wrote: BioD does NOT eat the regular rubber lines you purchase from Rusty anymore than DinoD ruins them. This misconception comes from the solvent properties of BioD cleaning the petro sludge out of the fuel lines and allowing them to leak. That makes people think that BioD ruined their 10 or 15 year old rubber fuel lines. Luther On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:45 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks, Lee. Now, I imagine that the lines that run the majority of the length of the body are steel and would not need replacing? And that you are probably talking about just the portions of the lines that are rubber? Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
High current draw is usually the result of the internal coil grounding on the side back from the tip rather than at the tip as it's supposed to. A white hot spot on the side doesn't help starting much. The other failure is for the wire to pull through at the tip, leaving a neat little hole. In that case, the circuit will be open (infinite resistance). You probably have a loose wire. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
I hate it when that happens! On 10/14/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After much consternation and diagnostic fury, there's not much more to say that this picture doesn't explain: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_temp%20wire.JPG Upon discovery, I embarked upon a boisterous, scholarly and somewhat salty discourse with the inanimate objects residing in my shop. After which, I started the van and heard a most peculiar noise. Here's the happy surprise that awaited my return to the engine compartment: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_d%20o.JPG I think I'll start drinking early today... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
30-0-30 ammeter is the best way. On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:20:04 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I replaced my GPs and the GP relay within the past 3 weeks or so. Yesterday, the preglow light came on for only a second or less - even though it was in the upper 40s and hadn't been started since the night before - it was stone cold - it started instantly although it runs like one cylinder isn't firing evenly. Within a minute the engine idles runs smoothly. That's way too quick. No wonder it ran poorly. I'm wondering about the possibility of a GP being bad out of the box? Certainly. The relay, too. It happens. 'New' relays usually are new old stock, and the internal components can fail with age, though not so much as with use. Most likely is the GP, or its wiring. Also - is there a way to check each GP without removing them Sure. The quick way is to pull the plug off the GP relay and use a DMM to measure the resistance to ground of each one. The rated value is 0.6 ohms, though it can vary with temperature. The important part is that they all be about the same. Even better is to use a hefty ammeter to measure the current to each one. I just did that on the 190D a couple of days ago. Within a couple of seconds each one dropped from about 28A to under 20A, except for the bad one that was drawing about 2x normal current. (_That_ is a weird failure mode.) Most people don't own an ammeter that is good for more than 10A, however. The GP's seem to be pretty basic - but I guess the innards could be bad in one. They are pretty basic, but they're not as simple as the old series plugs. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
were they brand new? On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:26:54 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about the regular rubber lines purchased from Rusty, but I was told (I called) that the lines he carries are the stock fabric-reinforced rubber return lines. The stock injector return lines on my 300CD were turning into goo and beginning to leak after running B100 biodiesel for several months. This is a direct observation of physical fact, not a misconception. Lee -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Yeah, you should be awake now. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Heck Casey that's nothin..If I had done that the rag would have sucked a crescent wrench into the belts making a hellish racket but only breaking one belt.The one the parts store does not have in stock(They haven't reordered from the new one purchased yesterday). Good luck, Mike - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved After much consternation and diagnostic fury, there's not much more to say that this picture doesn't explain: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_temp%20wire.JPG Upon discovery, I embarked upon a boisterous, scholarly and somewhat salty discourse with the inanimate objects residing in my shop. After which, I started the van and heard a most peculiar noise. Here's the happy surprise that awaited my return to the engine compartment: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_d%20o.JPG I think I'll start drinking early today... -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Zeitgeist wrote: Upon discovery, I embarked upon a boisterous, scholarly and somewhat salty discourse with the inanimate objects residing in my shop. After which, I started the van and heard a most peculiar noise. Here's the happy surprise that awaited my return to the engine compartment: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_d%20o.JPG At least it was only the accessory drive belts. I've heard a few sob stories about rags and other foreign objects getting caught in the timing belt, with unhappy results.
[MBZ] PS pump, check.
FINALLY sucked it up and replaced the powersteering pump in my '85 190D. I replaced the low pressure hose too as a preventative. Once I got the old hose out it looked perfect but I'd already taken it off so... The PS pump on the '85 190D is really really easy to replace. I even used locktite on the hub bolts so I'm pretty confident they won't loosen up. Then I had a try at the windshield wiper, its REALLY slow on cold mornings. Its also a bitch to get off and I managed to lose a washer. Fortunately my spares kit had something similar. I couldn't figure how to get into the gearbox so I poured ATF over the moving parts and put it aside. The heater box is also a bitch to get into. I managed to break 2 of the metal clips on it while fighting to get the dammed cover off and never did get the 2 bottom clips back on. Whoever designed that should be slapped around. I got some ATF onto the bearings on the blower motor which seems to have cured it from squeaking. It was surprisingly clean in there... Bundled it all back together, only spent about 3 hours total... -Curt - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 15 01:57:56 2006 Received: from smtp-in-1.userservices.net ([207.109.251.9]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYvGG-00078O-CT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:57:56 + Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-in-1.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA14619C7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: virus free Received: from smtp-in-1.userservices.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-in-1.userservices.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3+da23rd7xFV for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s3.visp.net (email-inc-3.userservices.net [207.109.251.21]) by smtp-in-1.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1221B461999 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mccluskey.linux (208-3-82-36.cnsp.net [208.3.82.36]) by s3.visp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B45F300F1C for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:57:44 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:57:56 - On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:19:18 -0700 Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After which, I started the van and heard a most peculiar noise. Here's the happy surprise that awaited my return to the engine compartment: http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Volkswagen/Van_d%20o.JPG When I was in the Air Force, I purchased a new 1972 220D/8 and didn't practice my mechanic skills for a year while it was under warranty (I had previously completely rebuilt a 1959 Alfa Romeo Guilietta Spyder Veloce engine and a 1969 Lotus Europa engine). The first thing I did on the car was to adjust the valves. In the parking lot next to the Bachelor Officer's Quarters. With a major or lieutenant colonel watching. Asking me if I really knew what I was doing. Everything went just fine, like you, until I started the engine up. I, too, heard a strange noise. Upon returning to the engine compartment, I discovered that I had left the rachet/extension/socket I used to turn the crank in place. Besides making the noise, it had punched a small hole in the radiator core, causing a leak. Oops. My observer was gracious and didn't say anything. He also took me and the radiator to a radiator shop to have the leak fixed. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
The injector lines were old and may have been the originals. They were in good shape, however, before I began using B100. The large return line is a newer one, and it also was fine before I began running B100. Now it is ballooning out like a sausage. It will soon be replaced by a viton line. The idea that lines eventually leak anyway is a given- nothing lasts forever. The fact that all of the rubber lines lines, new and old, were fine before running B100 biodiesel and all have gone to crap relatively soon thereafter is quite a coincidence. For what its worth, my friend runs a Peugeot diesel on B100 and after several months of this his lines now also have turned to goo. Lee Luther Gulseth wrote: were they brand new? On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:26:54 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about the regular rubber lines purchased from Rusty, but I was told (I called) that the lines he carries are the stock fabric-reinforced rubber return lines. The stock injector return lines on my 300CD were turning into goo and beginning to leak after running B100 biodiesel for several months. This is a direct observation of physical fact, not a misconception. Lee
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Well nothing really much to say, you made a mistake and learned from it. Have you left tools in the engine bay since? My biggest problem is that I rush my work towards the end of the job, particularly if I am working to solve a problem and then in the euphoria of finding what the problem is, not fully concentrating on detail. More than once I have taken a car for a test drive around the block without fully tightening the wheel bolts. Now I usally put a note by the gear selector to remind me to tighten the bolts. Hendrik and his scary work practises - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved My observer was gracious and didn't say anything. He also took me and the radiator to a radiator shop to have the leak fixed. Craig ___
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Hendrik Riessen wrote: More than once I have taken a car for a test drive around the block without fully tightening the wheel bolts. Now I usally put a note by the gear selector to remind me to tighten the bolts. I haven't done that one yet. My specialty seems to be failing to reconnect all the vacuum lines (on gas engines) and then wondering why the car won't idle.
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
I have yet to see anyone who can prove that the regular new lines are damaged by BioD. What you see happening with the old lines is the sludge getting cleaned out. On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:13:47 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The injector lines were old and may have been the originals. They were in good shape, however, before I began using B100. The large return line is a newer one, and it also was fine before I began running B100. Now it is ballooning out like a sausage. It will soon be replaced by a viton line. The idea that lines eventually leak anyway is a given- nothing lasts forever. The fact that all of the rubber lines lines, new and old, were fine before running B100 biodiesel and all have gone to crap relatively soon thereafter is quite a coincidence. For what its worth, my friend runs a Peugeot diesel on B100 and after several months of this his lines now also have turned to goo. Lee -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
Re: [MBZ] PS pump, check.
The heater box is assembled and installed from the passenger compartment. Worse on the W124, as you can get the evaporator out of the W201 from the engine compartment and have to take the dash out of a W124. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Removing sludge won't make them go mushy I don't know if there is really a problem, I've not seen any with the B5 or B10 I'm getting at the COOP here (not labled, might in fact not be biodiesel, for that matter!). However, biodiesel is a fatty acid methyl ester, not a linear hydrocarbon like most of diesel fuel is (the rest is sulfur compounds and cyclic molecules of various sorts), so there could easily be incompatibilities -- the biodiesel is much more polar and may soften and/or penetrate rubbers compounded for exposure to non-polar hydrocarbons. Peter
Re: [MBZ] PS pump, check.
how do you get the evap out from the engine compartment on 201? Peter Frederick wrote: The heater box is assembled and installed from the passenger compartment. Worse on the W124, as you can get the evaporator out of the W201 from the engine compartment and have to take the dash out of a W124. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Thank you, Casey. Made my day. At least you needn't concern yourself with the possibility of having taken out the timing belt.. ;) -j
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
A'ha! When I was in highschool autoshop, I had the task of doing a rear brake job on a '69 Beetle. I fulfilled my task with great aplomb, and took the little gem for a test drive. I got about 1/8th of a mile from the shop, when the car leaned over and ground to a halt. I was presented with the increasingly sphincter-clenching sight of the left rear wheel speeding by me at approximately 35mph. It proceeded to roll on for another 1/8th of a mile, perfectly vertical and keeping on-track. It rolled through a busy major intersection (unmolested) before leaping a steep ditch and coming to rest in a swamp. I hadn't bothered to tighten the lug bolts. Life is good, eh? On 10/14/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well nothing really much to say, you made a mistake and learned from it. Have you left tools in the engine bay since? My biggest problem is that I rush my work towards the end of the job, particularly if I am working to solve a problem and then in the euphoria of finding what the problem is, not fully concentrating on detail. More than once I have taken a car for a test drive around the block without fully tightening the wheel bolts. Now I usally put a note by the gear selector to remind me to tighten the bolts. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Zeitgeist wrote: A'ha! When I was in highschool autoshop, I had the task of doing a rear brake job on a '69 Beetle. I fulfilled my task with great aplomb, and took the little gem for a test drive. I got about 1/8th of a mile from the shop, when the car leaned over and ground to a halt. I was presented with the increasingly sphincter-clenching sight of the left rear wheel speeding by me at approximately 35mph. One day I was driving on SR-167 in Washington. I was easing past a VW Beetle when I noticed its left rear wheel had an odd wobble. An instant after I noted this, the wheel assumed a new and exciting angle, and I heard a couple of solid clunks as something (lug nuts?) bounced off my Mercedes. The Beetle slowed down and started to move right, and I pulled away, so I don't know how it all ended.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
Actually now in my middle age I have a rule: When done all tools are put away, anything missing? mmm no turn key, or close hood until said tool is found. Sometimes that can take a while, usually wife points out what's this screwdriver by the espresso machine for? Sigh... On 14-Oct-06, at 8:50 PM, Joe Knight wrote: Thank you, Casey. Made my day. At least you needn't concern yourself with the possibility of having taken out the timing belt.. ;) John 1983 300TDt 372k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 178k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 181k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
[MBZ] Injector pump has stight fuel leak from side plate.... dealer going to replace some seals.. anything else I should have him check?
The dealer found a drip coming from the the plate on the front side of the injection pump (about 1 wide x 4 long). Mechanic says need to replace a few seals... but, labor will be about $200. Is there anything else I should have him do while he is doing this, for preventative maintenance? Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 15 07:57:48 2006 Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.225.92]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZ0sV-0003YT-Mw for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:57:47 + Received: from yourfulkl1oh2q (c-24-21-57-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.15]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id 20061015075723b1200elstle; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:57:43 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:57:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:57:49 - My dad once had a rag get sucked into the intake of his 1969 AMX (wish he still had that thing). It didn't turn out to be a major thing, but it sure wasn't happy until the rag was fully digested. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, no MB diesel yet
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Cool. I've gotten two opposing viewpoints, and a very well-informed sounding technically precise viewpoint. Wonder if my safest bet would be to install Viton lines - afterall, doing so *might* save me from problems, and probably would do no harm? And I also would probably keep onhand some filters and the necessary tools to change them on the road. Brian 83 240D On 10/14/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Removing sludge won't make them go mushy I don't know if there is really a problem, I've not seen any with the B5 or B10 I'm getting at the COOP here (not labled, might in fact not be biodiesel, for that matter!). However, biodiesel is a fatty acid methyl ester, not a linear hydrocarbon like most of diesel fuel is (the rest is sulfur compounds and cyclic molecules of various sorts), so there could easily be incompatibilities -- the biodiesel is much more polar and may soften and/or penetrate rubbers compounded for exposure to non-polar hydrocarbons. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Biodiesel vs fuel lines
It is my understanding that the actual formulation of what is called 'biodiesel' varies quite a bit, depending on what the base stock was. Also, unless considerable care is used in the making, some of the alcohol used as part of the process can remain in the fuel, and it is this alcohol which attacks the rubber lines. These two factoids could go a long way towards explaining the wild differences in experiences. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Hi Luther, Nope - zero carbon buildup - when I changed the GPs I was prepared with a reamer to clean any out needing it - none had any carbon build up. Of course, for the last 8 months I've been running a heavy duty cylinder head treatment to remove all the carbon - called Ferox 230. It corrected a cold running problem I had and as far as I can tell it completely cleaned the carbon from the head. Anyway - thanks for the help -- ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality is there any carbon build up around the GP's? That will kill a GP quick. You might need to ream out. I used several old GP's and flattened them with a hammer and run them down tight to scrape out the carbon. On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:33:34 -0500, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - I replaced my GPs and the GP relay within the past 3 weeks or so. Yesterday, the preglow light came on for only a second or less - even though it was in the upper 40s and hadn't been started since the night before - it was stone cold - it started instantly although it runs like one cylinder isn;t firing evenly. Within a minute the engine idles runs smoothly. I'm wondering about the possibility of a GP being bad out of the box? Also - is there a way to check each GP without removing them - it's a PITA on a 1991 300D 2.5T. ;-) Don't know how successful I'll be but I plan to see if I can wiggle my hand past all the in the way to see if I can detect any loose wires. The GP's seem to be pretty basic - but I guess the innards could be bad in one. BTW, everything on this car looks to be in perfect condition - all the wiring looks new with no corrosion - there's only 114k on this car. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 10/13/2006
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Thanks Jim, I'll try to measure the resistance - Now, bear in mind Im elecricall challenged ;-) - so, I remove the plug from the relay and set my meter to resistance - automatic scaling - and with one wire to ground I touch the other to the plug going to a GP and read the resistance? I'm sure I'll figure it out. BTW - I sent a seperate email with this question - but is there a preference between Beru GPs and the much lower priced Bosch? I suspect Beru are OE. After removing the intake manifold and the metal fuel inj lines to access the GPs I'm in no hurry to do it again because one decided to die. But, it looks like that's what I need to do - but this time, if Beru is preferred that's what I'll use - Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality I replaced my GPs and the GP relay within the past 3 weeks or so. Yesterday, the preglow light came on for only a second or less - even though it was in the upper 40s and hadn't been started since the night before - it was stone cold - it started instantly although it runs like one cylinder isn't firing evenly. Within a minute the engine idles runs smoothly. That's way too quick. No wonder it ran poorly. I'm wondering about the possibility of a GP being bad out of the box? Certainly. The relay, too. It happens. 'New' relays usually are new old stock, and the internal components can fail with age, though not so much as with use. Most likely is the GP, or its wiring. Also - is there a way to check each GP without removing them Sure. The quick way is to pull the plug off the GP relay and use a DMM to measure the resistance to ground of each one. The rated value is 0.6 ohms, though it can vary with temperature. The important part is that they all be about the same. Even better is to use a hefty ammeter to measure the current to each one. I just did that on the 190D a couple of days ago. Within a couple of seconds each one dropped from about 28A to under 20A, except for the bad one that was drawing about 2x normal current. (_That_ is a weird failure mode.) Most people don't own an ammeter that is good for more than 10A, however. The GP's seem to be pretty basic - but I guess the innards could be bad in one. They are pretty basic, but they're not as simple as the old series plugs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 10/13/2006
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Luther Gulseth wrote: I have yet to see anyone who can prove that the regular new lines are damaged by BioD. What you see happening with the old lines is the sludge getting cleaned out. Nope. What I saw was the old injector return lines getting mushy and soft and flaring out at the ends, allowing leakage. And the main return line ballooning markedly. That's not sludge removal, that is slow dissolution. Lee
[MBZ] Beru Vs Bosch Glow Plugs
Is there a good reason to pay a premium price for Beru GP's over the Bosch equivilent? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Now, bear in mind I'm electrically challenged ;-) - so, I remove the plug from the relay and set my meter to resistance - automatic scaling - and with one wire to ground I touch the other to the plug going to a GP and read the resistance? Exactly. Nominally 0.6 ohms engine cold, but on a warm day. Don't forget to subtract any value that you get off the meter with the two leads shorted together, low-ohms readings can be tricky that way. BTW - I sent a seperate email with this question - but is there a preference between Beru GPs and the much lower priced Bosch? I suspect Beru are OE. My understanding is that the Beru are preferred. More durable or something like that. I've used both. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] PS pump, check.
I've not done this, but have been told is it possible -- don't know if it's in the service manual or not. I could, of course, be wrong! Sounds like a big PITA either way. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Injector pump has stight fuel leak from side plate.... dealer going to replace some seals.. anything else I should have him check?
The drip is more than likely coming from the bottom plate, which is a real bear to RR in situ. I've found that the large oil filter o-ring from an OM617 will work to re-seal the bottom plate. At the very least, the delivery valve seals should be replaced if the pump's coming out. Might not be a bad idea to have them replace the fuel check valve on the back side of the pump--if they're available. On 10/14/06, RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dealer found a drip coming from the the plate on the front side of the injection pump (about 1 wide x 4 long). Mechanic says need to replace a few seals... but, labor will be about $200. Is there anything else I should have him do while he is doing this, for preventative maintenance? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Beru Vs Bosch Glow Plugs
Not that I know of, but DO avoid Champion plugs -- they are intended for 6V use, not 12V in spite of the specs, and burn out very quickly. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
One of the fishing trawlers I worked on up in Alaska was once adrift in the Gulf for 17 hours during a major winter storm. Turned out the Todd shipyard in Seattle had left a shop rag in the main fuel tank. On 10/15/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dad once had a rag get sucked into the intake of his 1969 AMX (wish he still had that thing). It didn't turn out to be a major thing, but it sure wasn't happy until the rag was fully digested. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Lee, who makes the fuel you and your friend in the Peugeot have been using? based on the fact that over the last few years hundreds of vehicles in the fleet supplied by the place where i buy my fuel have not had the problems you describe, i'd be highly suspect of the fuel. (there *was* a place in the Bay Area that was making substandard fuel some years back that actually had some problems with vehicles that were using it, but they're long gone now... point is, it *does* happen.) cheers! e '85 300D B99/100 in Berkeley Lee Einer wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: I have yet to see anyone who can prove that the regular new lines are damaged by BioD. What you see happening with the old lines is the sludge getting cleaned out. Nope. What I saw was the old injector return lines getting mushy and soft and flaring out at the ends, allowing leakage. And the main return line ballooning markedly. That's not sludge removal, that is slow dissolution. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
The main return line is supposed to be ballooned, they call it the cigar hose. Lee Einer wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: I have yet to see anyone who can prove that the regular new lines are damaged by BioD. What you see happening with the old lines is the sludge getting cleaned out. Nope. What I saw was the old injector return lines getting mushy and soft and flaring out at the ends, allowing leakage. And the main return line ballooning markedly. That's not sludge removal, that is slow dissolution. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] #18 head
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-6-CYLINDER-DIESEL-HEAD_W0QQitemZ250037655256QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33617QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Beru Vs Bosch Glow Plugs
no, there isn't, other than making a general statement of displeasure about bosch On 10/15/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a good reason to pay a premium price for Beru GP's over the Bosch equivilent? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel vs fuel lines
That is the difference between ASTM standard BioD and crap that some people market as BioD. In the homebrew BioD world, those who properly wash and dry their BioD experience NO fuel line or filter problems after the petroD sludge is cleaned out. On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:00:24 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that the actual formulation of what is called 'biodiesel' varies quite a bit, depending on what the base stock was. Also, unless considerable care is used in the making, some of the alcohol used as part of the process can remain in the fuel, and it is this alcohol which attacks the rubber lines. These two factoids could go a long way towards explaining the wild differences in experiences. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
[MBZ] Jim Cathey
Jim, I got your notes relating to the CCs, I'll get a check out to you ASAP. Thanx. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY
Re: [MBZ] OT: My Vanagon's persistant temp gauge problem is resolved
kevin kraly wrote: My dad once had a rag get sucked into the intake of his 1969 AMX (wish he still had that thing). It didn't turn out to be a major thing, but it sure wasn't happy until the rag was fully digested. One day I was power-washing the engine bay of a diesel Vanagon I owned at the time. I had taped a plastic bag over the intake to keep water out. I needed to move the van to get better reach with the hose, so I started it up and moved it without any trouble. I remembered the bag afterwards. Inspection showed that the engine had simply sucked the bag into the air horn until it popped.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel vs fuel lines
I had been running my 73 220D on B100 for over two years straight with no ill effects on rubber fuel lines. This was not homebrew biodiesel. Dimitri 73 220D (being restored) --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between ASTM standard BioD and crap that some people market as BioD. In the homebrew BioD world, those who properly wash and dry their BioD experience NO fuel line or filter problems after the petroD sludge is cleaned out. On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:00:24 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that the actual formulation of what is called 'biodiesel' varies quite a bit, depending on what the base stock was. Also, unless considerable care is used in the making, some of the alcohol used as part of the process can remain in the fuel, and it is this alcohol which attacks the rubber lines. These two factoids could go a long way towards explaining the wild differences in experiences. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[MBZ] 240D vs 300SD Starter
240D vs. 300SD Starter - My understanding is a starter for the 300D/300SD spins faster than the 240D starter and will fit in the 240D. Can anyone verify that? I have a 1983 240D with 282,000 miles on it and I want drive it this winter. I am going to need all the help I can get. In preparation I have adjusted the valves, new air filter, changed all fuel filters and put in new glow plugs Also, what are the differences between the two starters? Do they look different or do they have identifying numbers or marks? Thanks, Mike in Michigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
