Re: [MBZ] cheap SDL
Cheez whiz it sure is, I drive through Littleton most every day. I'd offer to go look at it but I'm in NYC tomorrow afternoon through Friday. If somebody wanted to see it and could setup and appointment for Friday I could probably swing it. Now if it was a 116... -Curt Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:02:17 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap SDL To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt- This in your part of the country. Another project. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 1979 240D 1990 300D 2.5t __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 02 00:37:05 2007 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1XeK-0002Kx-Uj for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:37:05 + Received: from WFlaptop ([141.150.249.119]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 18:34:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:32:17 -0500 From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:37:05 - Looks like a decent car, although the description is slightly in error - these cars typically came with MBTex, not leather and the window sticker confirms that it is MBTex. Also, the seller states that the cruise is inop, which should be readily fixable yet with all the work that has been done, this isn't taken care of? Curious. Last item is that it is very doubtful that the car gets 35 mpg, especially with a college age driver. More typical is 30-32, so with these small inconsistencies, I would be careful with this seller. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. Wonder what his reserve really is? Werner - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-90-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-like-new-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ200063997039QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna
Thanks guys - That has been bugging me for awhile. I'll pick up a mast from Rusty and follow the directions. Your wisdom is much appreciated. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 285 k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna You just need a new mast, about $30 or so. Unscrew the bezel at the base of the antenna with the mast down as far as it will go, then switch radio on or set antenna switch to full up and pull the tail out of the antenna housing as it comes free. Note which way the teeth go! Wipe a bit of silicone grease on the new tail, insert it in the same orientation as the old one and push down until it stops. Have someone switch the antenna switch to the down position and feed the new tail and antenna mast into the motor box, then re-install the bezel. Check the grommet while you are at this -- a good time to replace it if it's hard. Take the antenna motor out (one nut, I think), pull the old grommet out from inside, push the new one through the hole, put the motor box back in, then pull the new mast in. May take a couple tries to get it to go all the way down if you don't get the teeth started soon enough, but it's easier next time -- just run the antenna motor all the way up, it will grab correctly when you switch it down again. Lightly grease the mast with silicone grease or spray silicone lube (the grease lasts longer, I use Loctite 51360 since it has many other uses as well (like getting bushings in). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a normal channel car. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
Don - You're probably correct, although I often get comments like where are the washer/wipers? - and every one of the '90-'93 124s around here do have the wipers. I just assumed that this may have been a special order by MBUSA. The car had never been titled, so it appears as if I'm the original purchaser, although the car had about 11k miles on it when I got it (at a good discount!). But getting back to the Florida blue 2.5 - I have to wonder if the front has been in a fender bender, what with the broken headlight knob, the need for replacement of the grill, replacement of the A/C condenser, etc. Lots of little inconsistencies, and that's just from the sketchy info in the Ebay ad. Werner '90 300D, '83 300SD, '87 F150 4x4 - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a normal channel car. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs
Hi Zeb, The 240D in the W123 chassis (like mine) was available in the US from 77 until 1983 --it was not available in '84 when it was replaced by the 190 series (W201 chassis). As far as finding a rust free example - it;s pretty much like any other 30+ year old car - Location will probably have the most to do with it. Finding one from CA, AZ, NM, and other SW states will provide the best shot at none to low rust. Keep an eye on this list because there's some 240Ds that appear ocassionally - as well as Craigslist and eBay - but you may find a nugget near to home in the newspaper or Trading Post/Auto Trader. As always exercize caution when buying from someone who don;t know - you may find it hard to believe but there's actually people out there who will try to *cheat* you out of money!! ;-) And beware Nigerians always. I can send a photo of my 78 240D if you want to see what a W123 chassis looks like - just let me know - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs How hard is it to find a really nice 240D Larry? Are there still some around that have very little if any rust? My old 911 is perfect but what are the odds of finding such a diesel? Was the 240 made up to '85, or did the 300TD replace it for North America? What should I expect to pay for a really nice one? Anyone have any leads? thanks. Zeb. On 01/01/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW! Thanks for all the response to my passing remark about putting a different engine in my 240D! BTW, I saw that video a couple of weeks ago with the VW Bus outrunning the Porsche 993 - if you've ever driven a VW Bus you'll know what a change in personality that is! From slower than a 240D auto with AC on in the heat of summer, to AMG tricked out speeds. Incredible. DOn't know what (if anything) I'll do to the 240D. Right now, the engine is perfect and the body is 90% perfect - but I think a W123 300D Turbo is probably the best option. Does the 300D T use a different AT than my 240D? I guess it might depend on the donor 300? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs Jim, If you donate the 617 turbo, I'll do the conversion and document the how to. Otherwise, i'll have to use the NA one I have. At 07:00 PM 12/31/2006, you wrote: BTW, are there any kits out there for installing a V6 or V8 in a W123? Much less trouble, and of far more interest to most of us, is putting a 300D turbo engine in instead. Lots of rust/wrecks out there still. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Pulls from whatever the PnP had that carried the sort of clock. There have been some 116, a few slc, a bunch of 114/115. Not remembering which offered what clock, since I tried and failed, so moved on. I can't imagine that a 116 or 107 uses the right sort of clock at all. I think only the 76 115 300D's are the only ones I've seen the right quartz clocks in. But I've only seen three, and one was an obvious retrofit. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna
OK, you can do the slack thing or you can choose to do this properly. It is recommended to remove the whole antenna assembly and pull it apart. Water and dirt gets into the workings. Also there is a little wheel in there that turns against the plastic winding thingy. What happens is that it stops turning but the mast will still go up and down, with the end result being that it develops a flat spot and eventually it does not apply enough pressure and the antenna will start to stick. If you service it now you may get away with a good clean and lube job but once it has this flat spot you will have to buy a repair kit like this http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/c/60-Hirschmann-Parts/Spare+Parts Hendrik with only one working antenna out of three Hirschies - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna Thanks guys - That has been bugging me for awhile. I'll pick up a mast from Rusty and follow the directions. Your wisdom is much appreciated. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 285 k miles
Re: [MBZ] Bob Hoover
That is one crazy Mo'! On 1/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acevFbpMXtM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
I'm pretty sure that the gassers got the headlight wipers standard, but the diesels had them as an option that no one paid for. My 92 300D doesn't have them either, and it was bought in Cincinnati. Question: if you have them, how do you turn them on? I test drove one and looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch. On 1/1/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don - You're probably correct, although I often get comments like where are the washer/wipers? - and every one of the '90-'93 124s around here do have the wipers. I just assumed that this may have been a special order by MBUSA. The car had never been titled, so it appears as if I'm the original purchaser, although the car had about 11k miles on it when I got it (at a good discount!). But getting back to the Florida blue 2.5 - I have to wonder if the front has been in a fender bender, what with the broken headlight knob, the need for replacement of the grill, replacement of the A/C condenser, etc. Lots of little inconsistencies, and that's just from the sketchy info in the Ebay ad. Werner '90 300D, '83 300SD, '87 F150 4x4 - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a normal channel car. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] OT: VW Passat
Does anyone know where the OBD 2 fuse is on a 2002 Passat? Thanks
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either - I read somewhere (maybe on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more expensive models - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a normal channel car. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] Brake Double Flare Tools
Jim, I am shocked! I guess I found one patchup that I may have done more than you! Snappy has double flare tools in both Metric and SAE. There ARE minor differences in the tubing sizes. I have replaced rusted sections of MB brake line with US stuff, using the metric nuts salvaged off the old lines or another suitable donor. What I do is cut off one end , take off the SAE nuts and throw em in a box for future reference, then cut the nuts off the old line and put them on the new (SAE) line headed the proper directions. Then add the new double flare. (Right!) The best thing to do is make a few double flares on the old tube or the excess of the new tube before doing one on tubing cut to length. Especially if you are using the SAE double flare adapter. What usually happens is the first flare on the scrap turns out beautifully, then you make 2-3 lousy ones on the real tube and break the double flare adapter. Here is the deal about the double flare adapters: A double flare kit is a plain ol flare tool in a box with 4-5 double flare adapters. The mb uses the SMALLEST adapter. It has about a 1/16 pin to slide into the tube while making the double flare. This pin is VERY easy to break off, and if you do break the pin off, you won't be making a double flare unless you have another, or wait for Snappy to order one and get it to you. Snappy generally carries the SAE sizes. To do it right, you need the right size METRIC double flare adapter. It is MUCH easier to make a good double flare with the metric adapter. Maybe Snappy in Boston or LA carries the metric adapters, but I have never seen a Snappy that has one on the truck. Whenever I order these, I always order 2-3. I seem to break at least one for each successful double flare I do. The morale: If you have a flare tool, just get the metric adapters from Snappy. I have never found any other (local) source that even has a clue what you need. Not NAPA, not other tool trucks, nobody. I am guessing there are sources on the internet now. I can't remember the metric size you need. And it depends on the age of the car also, as older cars have bigger tubing. Best thing to do is to order in a chunk of tubing from Rusty, unless you are working on a Pre-123 model where prices get outta sight. As long as you are at it, you may as well just order the piece of tubing you want to repair, and put it on the car. Larry, HTH BTW, I have the Snap-on kit. There is NOTHING special about it for 3-5 times the price, other than the tin box that holds the flare tool and the adapters. One time in '73 or so, I used the next bigger size adapter when I was converting my U-110 Bronco to Dual circuit brakes. Most of the time the box just sits on a shelf.Everything (US) since 68 has had dual circuit brakes, so I don't envision ever doing a dual circuit conversion again. I think MB switched to dual circuit in 63. Loren At 02:50 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote: I'm considering getting the tool kit to do double flares and need to know if there's a Metric Kit and a SAE Kit? I'm assuming there's both but haven't seen more than the SAE - although I haven't looked hard. So far as I know, there's only the SAE. Something about Bendix (or somebody) having invented the brakes in the first place and setting the standard. I just bought a standard double-flare kit when I fixed the brake on the 114. The nuts are different for metric, but not the line. Or perhaps I misremember. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] 1990 300SE Stalls when hot
I just put a new EGR valve and a new Idle Control Valve in my 1990 300SE - but I still have the same problem they were meant to correct. It starts fine when cold - runs fine at low to high speeds. But after the engine warms up and I bring it to a stop - say at an intersection - the engine shuts off (won't idle) and is difficult to start up again. I usually have to crank it for 30-45 seconds before it starts reluctantly - but then runs fine again at low to higher speeds - until I bring it to a stop again. Then ... same problem. Thanks, les
Re: [MBZ] 91 560SEL suspension pump
The tandem pump has a kit available from Rusty for about $75-80. It is a BEAR to replace the shaft seal. It is supposed to take some combination of special tools. Potomac German Will sell you a good pump for $125 at last report (March 06). You are money ahead to replace the pump. One lister sent his pump and the kit to Star Motors in NY to replace the shaft seals with the proper tool, but I think that was another $75 or so plus freight both ways. The result was possibly better than the used pump, but maybe not... Loren 88TE, Tandem pump 87TD, Tandem pump At 04:30 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote: I was looking under the 560SEL and notice what appears to be suspension oil leaking from near front of engine. It appears to be coming from the suspension pump, I was wondering if this was a common failure and if they make a repair kit? Thanks Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 1990 300SE Stalls when hot
any chance you connected a scanner to it to pull the codes? Our 1995 E320 wagon had a similar problem and the code it was throwing was for the EGR valve. However there was a recall on the EGR tube that was too small from the factory, would plug up, throw error codes and in the final stages shut the car off. Major PITA to do, had the idiot monkeys at the dealership do it. They also said it needed the ICV but we opted not to do it and the larger EGR tube solved the problem. James Zavesky - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1990 300SE Stalls when hot I just put a new EGR valve and a new Idle Control Valve in my 1990 300SE - but I still have the same problem they were meant to correct. It starts fine when cold - runs fine at low to high speeds. But after the engine warms up and I bring it to a stop - say at an intersection - the engine shuts off (won't idle) and is difficult to start up again. I usually have to crank it for 30-45 seconds before it starts reluctantly - but then runs fine again at low to higher speeds - until I bring it to a stop again. Then ... same problem. Thanks, les
Re: [MBZ] Bob Hoover
No he is NOT crazy! He knows exactly what he is doing. Bob Hoover is the worlds most legendary test pilot. Many have heard of Yeager, but his career is relatively short compared to Bob. Bob may not be as well known outside aviation circles, but he is Da MAN. At 07:43 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote: That is one crazy Mo'! On 1/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acevFbpMXtM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
Larry, I have wondered about that-as I posted a bit ago. My 90 doesn't have the headlight washers but John Peterson's 91-identical car-has the headlight washers. I wondered if it was model year change-seems not. And yes MB tex. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either - I read somewhere (maybe on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more expensive models - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a normal channel car. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
Werner, You're correct on the mpg -I get about 31-32 on my 90 300D 2.5t. Mine does not have the headlight washers-but most I see around seem to. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI. More typical is 30-32, so with these small inconsistencies, I would be careful with this seller. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. Wonder what his reserve really is? Werner ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna
I would only disassemble the box if a new mast didn't fix the problem -- most likely, his is bent. Of the 3 1980s cars we have, only one has had a problem with the antenna motor, and that was a broken gear, fixed by getting a junkyard motor. They don't leak, so far as I can tell, mine was dry. All the cars have well over 200,000 miles now. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1990 300SE Stalls when hot
Check for vac leaks, too! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Bob Hoover
It's not crazy - it's precise control, and knowing EXACTLY what he's doing! Did you catch the comment about his 'late' friends who thought it was cool to fly lower than anyone else? On 1/1/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No he is NOT crazy! He knows exactly what he is doing. Bob Hoover is the worlds most legendary test pilot. Many have heard of Yeager, but his career is relatively short compared to Bob. Bob may not be as well known outside aviation circles, but he is Da MAN. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
On my '87 SDL, they turn on when the headlights are on, and you activate the windshield washer. - They only turn on when they might be needed - no special switch - totally transparent operation - good MB engineering! Question: if you have them, how do you turn them on? I test drove one and looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Not sure where I sourced the clocks. Came PnP, but model escapes me. I gave it much more thought and finally remembered that the 12v tab was what did not fit in the proper place. Could be that I was not spinning the dial fast enough to get it to screw in all the way. I was in the middle of changing blinker fluid as I was installing the clock. On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Pulls from whatever the PnP had that carried the sort of clock. There have been some 116, a few slc, a bunch of 114/115. Not remembering which offered what clock, since I tried and failed, so moved on. I can't imagine that a 116 or 107 uses the right sort of clock at all. I think only the 76 115 300D's are the only ones I've seen the right quartz clocks in. But I've only seen three, and one was an obvious retrofit. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Passat
Its with the other fuzes, if yours is the same as mine it will be number 10. If you are unsure of the location of the fuze box its on the drivers side of the dashboard behind the plastic panel. Open the car door, look on the side of the dash and remove the cover. There should be a card inside the fuze cover in a slot that shows all the fuze locations. If you have the original owners manual it also shows all the fuze locations Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: VW Passat Does anyone know where the OBD 2 fuse is on a 2002 Passat? Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] Hoover
That is one crazy Mo'! Why would you say that? Hoover's history in aviation is enviable and the skill and judgement it takes to perform those maneuvers in a non-aerobatic twin is considerable. And the story of the F-86 demo in Korea is very impressive. I have seen the Shrike demonstration several times in the past and I was thrilled to watch it. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either - I read somewhere (maybe on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more expensive models - My understanding- headlight wipers were standard on the 300e, didn't come on the 2.6 liter models like mine. That's fine, makes life easier when pitching the crappy headlights and replacing with euros! Then there were the 94/95 e320s; I *think* they were made optional in '95 when a bunch of stuff was removed as standard equipment. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] 1959 220S
Tarek, Please keep our discussions on the Mercedes Discussion List unless we get serious about a trade. I'd rather only answer questions about my 220S once. As far as a trade goes - all depends on what you are interested in trading. I would not mind a 123 body 240D with a 4 speed working AC. A late 80s / early 90s 300E, 300D or 400E would also be nice. Either would have to be a nice Mercedes for me to trade. I'm not interested in a 123 body 300D, a 300SD or 300SDL as I've already owned one or more of each of these cars. I might be interested in something else, depending on what it is. As far as the 220S is concerned, I've owned it for about 6 years I've done the following: New shocks all the way around New outer tie rod ends New driver side upper king pin pivot Rebuilt both carbs Low mileage rear end - out of a 1958 220S (original spline shaft came apart) New fuel pump diaphragm New brake master cylinder New motor mounts (all 4) The car has the hydrak transmission it runs and shifts great. I have spare parts for the clutch mechanism. I also have spare brake shoes quite a few other parts that I've accumulated over the years. All spare parts go with the car. As far as known issues are concerned: The paint looks good at a distance but it really needs a re-paint. It needs a muffler The right, front brake grabs if it has not been driven in a while. I've pulled the wheel don't see anything obvious. The previous owner removed the heating system (common with these cars) There is no major corrosion but I did take care of some surface rust on the roof some spots on the driver side front fender. The front seats are serviceable but need redone. The headliner is down in the back. The head liner is not original. The back seat needs recovered. All seats have cheap seat covers. I can see the original material through a tear in the driver seat cover. I've not removed the seat covers to see what the seats look like but the covering is a tweed cloth. All of the wood is in place around the doors. I refinished the 2 right door wood trim but have not done the 2 driver side door wood trim. The door panels are not original but nicely redone. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Tarek Elshenawy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM To: 'Tom Hargrave' Subject: RE: 1959 220S Tom, I would be interested in hearing more about the car, especially if you are interested in a trade... Tarek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:37 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] 1959 220S All, I'm interested in selling my 1959 220S would much rather sell to a list member than someone else. It's in North Alabama. Please email me questions through the group if interested so that I can answer questions through the group in case others have the same questions. And no, Kaleb, I will not take $500.00 for the car. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006, OK Don wrote: Sorry to sound like a broken record - but the engine of choice would be the 603.96x ! I'd think a 606.96x with mechanical control would be zippy :) And thats without the finnish treatment :) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
My old 84 300SD (~200K at crunching) was regularly started at 24 without plugging in and at 14 once or twice. The 1985 300D use to have issues, but I found that I had a subtly failed GP relay (it lit the light but did not really work). Apparently water had wicked up under the cover, then past a cracked/broken o-ring into the box itself-It had close to a cup of water in it when I opened it! I have had no problems with cold-weather starting since then. Oh yeah, I use the older type (old stock here) red-top M1 15w50, and have for several years. I also adjust the valves every fall. -j. On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Mobil 1 0w40 for the last five winters. I change to M1 15w40 for the summers. I live in Northern IL. My 83 300D has 192, 000 mi. on it, and I've put about half of these miles on as the second owner. When I got the MB even after valve adjustments, gp changes, etc., I had trouble starting it in sub 25 degree weather w/o it being plugged in. After changing to M1 0w40 and keeping up with the maintenance, since I changed to synthetic, winter starting has improved greatly over the dino stuff. BTW, I may burn 3/4 of a quart of M1 every 2, 500 mi. And...the car has quieted down greatly. Just my experience. MikeN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] No glow.
Happy New Year all. Did my brake replacement over the weekend. 4 new calipers and all new hoses, and new rotors on the front. Braking is MUCH improved -- so smooth, no grabbing, vibrating, etc. Pedal which had been very firm now feels normal. Another problem has emerged, however, and that is that the pre-glow system has quit working. When the problem started, the glow light would illuminate intermittently (i.e. it would illuminate on some starts, but not on others). Now the light does not illuminate at all, and cold starting has become difficult. I've not been stranded yet, thanks to the mild winter we've been having, but morning starts are very difficult and I fear that I am putting a lot of wear on the starter. For now I'm using the block heater but need to get the glow system working again. I measured resistance on all the glow plugs and they are all reading 0.3 ohms on my little Radio Shack digital multimeter. The fusible link is intact (but is of unknown age). What steps should I take to track this down? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] intermittent heat
Separate problem, separate thread... I'm also having intermittent heat in the 300D. Usually the heat will come on normally once the engine warms after a cold start. What usually happens next is after the cabin has warmed to the set temperature, the air from the vents will become very cool, though not so cold as direct unheated exterior air. Other times I don't ever get any warm air at all, just cold and sometimes lukewarm air. Engine temperature is normal. Recently flushed the cooling system, after noticing low levels and tracing it to a leaking thermostat housing (replaced housing and thermostat), but this did not resolve the problem. Any likely suspects here? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] intermittent heat
Bad monovalve, the boot is swollen and it won't allow water to flow correclty. Easy fix. Peter
[MBZ] W201 Manuals
Way back in the day there was a source for chassis manuals... I've been off the list for a while and was wondering if there is still a source out there? Thanks!!! John
Re: [MBZ] 1959 220S
Tom Hargrave wrote: As far as the 220S is concerned, I've owned it for about 6 years I've done the following: I've seen the car when Tom's helped me out on my MBs... and I'd like to vouch for the described condition of the car. I think its a pretty neat car, and was amazed at how smooth it idled (first old gas MB I'd ever seen). All of the wood is in place around the doors. I refinished the 2 right door wood trim but have not done the 2 driver side door wood trim. The wood is *very* nicely redone! One of the things that stuck out in my memory ;) -John
Re: [MBZ] Bob Hoover
Loren said: ..Many have heard of Yeager Guess who was flying the chase plane for Yeager when he broke the sound barrier. I live in Torrance CA and I understand Mr Hoover flies out of our airport here. I've spoken to several folks at the field and everyone has nothing but high praise for him as a man and a flyer. Matt Claus
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
I measured resistance on all the glow plugs and they are all reading 0.3 ohms on my little Radio Shack digital multimeter. You did remove the plug from the GP relay before checking the five GP resistances? If you don't they're all in parallel and a bad one won't show up. Such low resistance is difficult for most meters to measure accurately, and 0.3 ohms is half what each GP should be. -- Jim
[MBZ] Unimog down
A friend called, and said that he'd scored a used 6kW UPS from work, and that he'd trade me the 3kW he'd already gotten from there in exchange for my help with the crane to bring home the new units. (Think small file cabinets, one filled with car batteries.) No problem, says I, if I can get it going! Hard to start in the winter, and the hydraulics have been freezing up. Obviously there's water in the system. Anyway, I get it all going and go off to meet him at his work. The Mog was making weird intermittent crunching noises, for which I couldn't see any cause, and it even started pulling to the side a bit. I'm trepidatious, but made a commitment and decide to finish the job, though slowly. We got the units loaded (easily, the crane didn't even seem to notice the weight of the battery cabinet). On the way to the guy's house he noticed that my noisy wheel had a camber problem. (Much easier to see when you're watching the thing drive than when just looking at it statically.) Great, that explains a lot. The oil leak at the axle must be because the wheel bearing is shot and has allowed the axle to chew up the seal. The noise is explained as well. I wonder how long it's been like this, and what it'll cost to repair? I kept the speeds very low on this trip, and it made it home in apparently no worse condition than when it left. But it's grounded now, for sure. Oh, and the booty? A FerrUPS FE3.1KVA, and a Powerware CAB-N battery cabinet, supposedly filled with 8 8-month-old 75AH sealed batteries. (I haven't looked.) The new price for this gear is something like $5000, though the big capacitor may be going out on the UPS as its power quality is suspect. Its former owner has saltwater aquaria, and needs reliable backup power. The 6kW unit (with a 12-battery cabinet) should run his entire house through the night, during the days he can replenish with his 20kW Ford/Onan genset. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] W201 Manuals
In a message dated 1/1/2007 10:57:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Way back in the day there was a source for chassis manuals... I've been off the list for a while and was wondering if there is still a source out there? Thanks!!! John John, If you are talking about on line sources, I think that skinnerbox-steaky and braingear have both been shut down. MBCA has been having a sale on the older manuals available on CD for as little as $30. You might check your model's availability and price. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] ATF Type A??
marshall, this is confusing; you specifically said that MTL wasn't to be used in the manual boxes, but here say you've tried MTL (but didn't specify which box you're talking about trying it in). please clarify; (although it may be against the creed of some here who seem to think we are to worship Mobil 1 products only,) have you tried any of the the ATF Redline recommends for use in MBZ manual trannys? cheers! e Marshall Booth wrote: Mobil 1 ATF works better than anything I've ever tried (and I have tried Redine MTL). Marshall
[MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
The 300SD has been getting some use since it's so much easier than maneuvering a full size Dodge pickup around town. I've noticed a rattle when going over bumps which I had thought was something in the suspension until I was riding in the back seat. It turns out that it's the rear portion of the exhaust system. There's supposed to be some sort of hanger holding it up which isn't there now. It looks like there should be a rubber ring that hooks around the bracket on the underside of the car and the bracket on the muffler. Is this correct? I need to do something about it since it's annoying, not to mention unsafe since the muffler can fall off or drag. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Unimog down
On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: A friend called, and said that he'd scored a used 6kW UPS from work, and that he'd trade me the 3kW he'd already gotten from there in Oddly enough I did spy in craig's list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006-12-29, 6:04PM PST Used APC Matrix 5000 UPS with 2 Smartcells. ($1100 cdn) This is a 5000 vA/ 4750 watt server UPS. (Requires 208/240 V power) The smartcell batteries are dead but I have 4 new ones (1 cell)and they are readily available locally. Will deliver locally. Email for details. Which is on Vancouver Island. I do have to wonder what the week or of power outages they had on the north shore had did to it tho. John 1983 300TDt 374k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 174k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
Allan Streib wrote: I measured resistance on all the glow plugs and they are all reading 0.3 ohms on my little Radio Shack digital multimeter. The fusible link is intact (but is of unknown age). Did you isolate them electrically, either by unplugging the multipin connector at the relay or unhooking the wires at the plugs?
Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna
Hendrik - Thanks for the note. The antenna went down to the last section [leaving about 8 out of the car] until the car wash jockey pounded on it. It still goes down just that far, but now will not go all the way up [it leaves at least one section not extended]. I do think there is an internal problem somewhere - and it sounds like I should try some disassembly to see what all is broken. I suspect a new mast will be needed, at least. I suppose in 25 years I can expect a bit of wear and tear, and a bit of time and TLC will be a good investment. It makes sense to check twice and order once rather than the other way around... BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 282 k Miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Riessen Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna OK, you can do the slack thing or you can choose to do this properly. It is recommended to remove the whole antenna assembly and pull it apart. Water and dirt gets into the workings. Also there is a little wheel in there that turns against the plastic winding thingy. What happens is that it stops turning but the mast will still go up and down, with the end result being that it develops a flat spot and eventually it does not apply enough pressure and the antenna will start to stick. If you service it now you may get away with a good clean and lube job but once it has this flat spot you will have to buy a repair kit like this http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/c/60-Hirschmann-Parts/Spare+Parts Hendrik with only one working antenna out of three Hirschies - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna Thanks guys - That has been bugging me for awhile. I'll pick up a mast from Rusty and follow the directions. Your wisdom is much appreciated. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 285 k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Yes there are, I think, 2 rubber rings holding the muffler up. Big fat O-rings. Should be aesy to get at any dealer or Rusty. On 1/2/07, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 300SD has been getting some use since it's so much easier than maneuvering a full size Dodge pickup around town. I've noticed a rattle when going over bumps which I had thought was something in the suspension until I was riding in the back seat. It turns out that it's the rear portion of the exhaust system. There's supposed to be some sort of hanger holding it up which isn't there now. It looks like there should be a rubber ring that hooks around the bracket on the underside of the car and the bracket on the muffler. Is this correct? I need to do something about it since it's annoying, not to mention unsafe since the muffler can fall off or drag. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] 91 560SEL suspension pump
Thanks! I might order the kit and see what happens. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 560SEL suspension pump The tandem pump has a kit available from Rusty for about $75-80. It is a BEAR to replace the shaft seal. It is supposed to take some combination of special tools. Potomac German Will sell you a good pump for $125 at last report (March 06). You are money ahead to replace the pump. One lister sent his pump and the kit to Star Motors in NY to replace the shaft seals with the proper tool, but I think that was another $75 or so plus freight both ways. The result was possibly better than the used pump, but maybe not... Loren 88TE, Tandem pump 87TD, Tandem pump At 04:30 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote: I was looking under the 560SEL and notice what appears to be suspension oil leaking from near front of engine. It appears to be coming from the suspension pump, I was wondering if this was a common failure and if they make a repair kit? Thanks Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
There should be 4 rubber donuts. they can be put on by hand. You can get replacements at flaps (don't know how good those are.) Or its one item i'd consider buying from a dealer cause they'd have em and you should be able to walk out with 2 or 3 for $20. Or, you can order them from Rusty and get good ones at a reasonable price. If you on.ly replace the missing one(s) now, I'd consider replacing the rest, or all with new ones from Rusty in the next month or two. At 03:05 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: The 300SD has been getting some use since it's so much easier than maneuvering a full size Dodge pickup around town. I've noticed a rattle when going over bumps which I had thought was something in the suspension until I was riding in the back seat. It turns out that it's the rear portion of the exhaust system. There's supposed to be some sort of hanger holding it up which isn't there now. It looks like there should be a rubber ring that hooks around the bracket on the underside of the car and the bracket on the muffler. Is this correct? I need to do something about it since it's annoying, not to mention unsafe since the muffler can fall off or drag. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 91 560SEL suspension pump
I think you can do it. Most people would find it not worthwhile to put a kit in. I don't remember the entire sequence, but on a vickers pump you unscrew each of the 4 pumps for the suspension using a pin wrench (spanner), then the rest comes apart with circlips. Rusty will need all the numbers on the pump to get you the right seal kit. You may want a spare in case you bung up the shaft seal. At 07:40 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: Thanks! I might order the kit and see what happens. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 560SEL suspension pump The tandem pump has a kit available from Rusty for about $75-80. It is a BEAR to replace the shaft seal. It is supposed to take some combination of special tools. Potomac German Will sell you a good pump for $125 at last report (March 06). You are money ahead to replace the pump. One lister sent his pump and the kit to Star Motors in NY to replace the shaft seals with the proper tool, but I think that was another $75 or so plus freight both ways. The result was possibly better than the used pump, but maybe not... Loren 88TE, Tandem pump 87TD, Tandem pump At 04:30 PM 1/1/2007, you wrote: I was looking under the 560SEL and notice what appears to be suspension oil leaking from near front of engine. It appears to be coming from the suspension pump, I was wondering if this was a common failure and if they make a repair kit? Thanks Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
The headlight wipers was an option actually. I have seen quite a few without them. In fact, more without than with. Werner Fehlauer wrote: Looks like a decent car, although the description is slightly in error - these cars typically came with MBTex, not leather and the window sticker confirms that it is MBTex. Also, the seller states that the cruise is inop, which should be readily fixable yet with all the work that has been done, this isn't taken care of? Curious. Last item is that it is very doubtful that the car gets 35 mpg, especially with a college age driver. More typical is 30-32, so with these small inconsistencies, I would be careful with this seller. Oh, also unusual is the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) that did not have them, but mine was a zone car so not in the normal pipeline of imports by MBUSA. Wonder what his reserve really is? Werner -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
With headlights on, activate windshield washer Sunil Hari wrote: I'm pretty sure that the gassers got the headlight wipers standard, but the diesels had them as an option that no one paid for. My 92 300D doesn't have them either, and it was bought in Cincinnati. Question: if you have them, how do you turn them on? I test drove one and looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] 201 Manuals and others
http://www.tmcpubl.com/ I bot two PAPER manuals from them, GOOD Pictures, NOT CHEAP! Fred Moir Lynn MA Klatta Nut
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Go ahead replace all 4 with new. Also, the newer design is better, with a rubber piece in the center that limits upward travel. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question There should be 4 rubber donuts. they can be put on by hand. You can get replacements at flaps (don't know how good those are.) Or its one item i'd consider buying from a dealer cause they'd have em and you should be able to walk out with 2 or 3 for $20. Or, you can order them from Rusty and get good ones at a reasonable price. If you on.ly replace the missing one(s) now, I'd consider replacing the rest, or all with new ones from Rusty in the next month or two. At 03:05 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: The 300SD has been getting some use since it's so much easier than maneuvering a full size Dodge pickup around town. I've noticed a rattle when going over bumps which I had thought was something in the suspension until I was riding in the back seat. It turns out that it's the rear portion of the exhaust system. There's supposed to be some sort of hanger holding it up which isn't there now. It looks like there should be a rubber ring that hooks around the bracket on the underside of the car and the bracket on the muffler. Is this correct? I need to do something about it since it's annoying, not to mention unsafe since the muffler can fall off or drag. Thanks! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unimog down
Jim typed: aquaria That made my day, thus far. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: [MBZ] Unimog down A friend called, and said that he'd scored a used 6kW UPS from work, and that he'd trade me the 3kW he'd already gotten from there in exchange for my help with the crane to bring home the new units. (Think small file cabinets, one filled with car batteries.) No problem, says I, if I can get it going! Hard to start in the winter, and the hydraulics have been freezing up. Obviously there's water in the system. Anyway, I get it all going and go off to meet him at his work. The Mog was making weird intermittent crunching noises, for which I couldn't see any cause, and it even started pulling to the side a bit. I'm trepidatious, but made a commitment and decide to finish the job, though slowly. We got the units loaded (easily, the crane didn't even seem to notice the weight of the battery cabinet). On the way to the guy's house he noticed that my noisy wheel had a camber problem. (Much easier to see when you're watching the thing drive than when just looking at it statically.) Great, that explains a lot. The oil leak at the axle must be because the wheel bearing is shot and has allowed the axle to chew up the seal. The noise is explained as well. I wonder how long it's been like this, and what it'll cost to repair? I kept the speeds very low on this trip, and it made it home in apparently no worse condition than when it left. But it's grounded now, for sure. Oh, and the booty? A FerrUPS FE3.1KVA, and a Powerware CAB-N battery cabinet, supposedly filled with 8 8-month-old 75AH sealed batteries. (I haven't looked.) The new price for this gear is something like $5000, though the big capacitor may be going out on the UPS as its power quality is suspect. Its former owner has saltwater aquaria, and needs reliable backup power. The 6kW unit (with a 12-battery cabinet) should run his entire house through the night, during the days he can replenish with his 20kW Ford/Onan genset. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Go ahead replace all 4 with new. Also, the newer design is better, with a rubber piece in the center that limits upward travel. Upward travel is normally limited by a rubber bumper on the chassis above the muffler, there should be a boss or something on the muffler that bumps into it. The improved 'donuts' have chain or something inside the rubber so they don't stretch out. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Until the battery went bad my 240D would start really well down to about 20F. Below that it was alot of cranking but I could get it to start all the way down to about -5F without the block heater. Once the battery went bad starts colder than say 25F were a challenge. I dunno why I had blinders on to that one. I tripple checked the glowplugs, put in some anti-gel, had the valves set again, all sorts of hokum and we were still dragging the poor thing behind the pickup truck twice a week... FINALLY I dropped $65 at Autozone and it was back to being able to start again. The old battery just didn't have the capacity needed. -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:29:56 -0500 (EST) From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My old 84 300SD (~200K at crunching) was regularly started at 24 without plugging in and at 14 once or twice. The 1985 300D use to have issues, but I found that I had a subtly failed GP relay (it lit the light but did not really work). Apparently water had wicked up under the cover, then past a cracked/broken o-ring into the box itself-It had close to a cup of water in it when I opened it! I have had no problems with cold-weather starting since then. Oh yeah, I use the older type (old stock here) red-top M1 15w50, and have for several years. I also adjust the valves every fall. -j. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 02 16:38:21 2007 Received: from odin.envisagenow.com ([12.2.42.104]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1meb-00020n-ET for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:38:21 + Received: from STREIB ([12.2.42.59]) by odin.envisagenow.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:35:17 -0500 Received: by STREIB (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:35:22 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:35:22 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 16:35:17.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC5DB540:01C72E8B] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] No glow. X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:38:23 - Jim Cathey writes: I measured resistance on all the glow plugs and they are all reading 0.3 ohms on my little Radio Shack digital multimeter. You did remove the plug from the GP relay before checking the five GP resistances? If you don't they're all in parallel and a bad one won't show up. Such low resistance is difficult for most meters to measure accurately, and 0.3 ohms is half what each GP should be. *Slap forehead* No, I did not unplug the connector. Will recheck as soon as I get back to the house. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] intermittent heat
Peter Frederick writes: Bad monovalve, the boot is swollen and it won't allow water to flow correclty. Easy fix. Easy fix meaning replace the monovalve, or ... ? It's not in Rusty's online catalog, are they readily available? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
Allan Streib wrote: No, I did not unplug the connector. Will recheck as soon as I get back to the house. BTW, I had a forehead-slapper this morning when somebody mentioned batteries. When my 300SD wouldn't light the glow lamp, I bought a couple of new glow plugs, put in a new battery, and found the glow light functioned fine with a good battery, no need to mess with the plugs. Still have two new in box glow plugs 3 years later.
[MBZ] list name
I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ name by the another list - until Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B. Randy
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
That's interesting about the battery. Did it not sound differently - I mean, the starter didn't audibly sound slower? Maybe it was the frog in the kettle syndrome. Encouraging that starts are possible in those temps without a block heater. My 240D seems to need glow plugs right now - wouldn't start at all last time I tried (in about 30 degree weather). Must order some plugs from Rusty. Often, on my other car, if I have the time, I'll throw my small batt. charger on and set it to boost as I crank, if it's particularly cold outside, just to sort of keep the batt. from having to work so hard as I crank for a longer time. Of course I cringe, hoping the batt. won't explode. Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the battery went bad my 240D would start really well down to about 20F. Below that it was alot of cranking but I could get it to start all the way down to about -5F without the block heater. Once the battery went bad starts colder than say 25F were a challenge. I dunno why I had blinders on to that one. I tripple checked the glowplugs, put in some anti-gel, had the valves set again, all sorts of hokum and we were still dragging the poor thing behind the pickup truck twice a week... FINALLY I dropped $65 at Autozone and it was back to being able to start again. The old b attery just didn't have the capacity needed. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Yeah, mine went away recently too. Desert living has most things dried out on that vehicle. I figured the fat rubber hangers were cheap and I must remember to order them when I put in my glow plug order. Meantime, I have two white zip ties on each hanger. That's class! Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go ahead replace all 4 with new. Also, the newer design is better, with a rubber piece in the center that limits upward travel. Upward travel is normally limited by a rubber bumper on the chassis above the muffler, there should be a boss or something on the muffler that bumps into it. The improved 'donuts' have chain or something inside the rubber so they don't stretch out. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Have you had a lot of batteries explode? Levi (: Still wondering if there's any hope for his Red top Optima that seems to just continually draw as much power as you put in it (sucked 5 amps for about 3 days straight before I disconnected it). On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting about the battery. Did it not sound differently - I mean, the starter didn't audibly sound slower? Maybe it was the frog in the kettle syndrome. Encouraging that starts are possible in those temps without a block heater. My 240D seems to need glow plugs right now - wouldn't start at all last time I tried (in about 30 degree weather). Must order some plugs from Rusty. Often, on my other car, if I have the time, I'll throw my small batt. charger on and set it to boost as I crank, if it's particularly cold outside, just to sort of keep the batt. from having to work so hard as I crank for a longer time. Of course I cringe, hoping the batt. won't explode. Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the battery went bad my 240D would start really well down to about 20F. Below that it was alot of cranking but I could get it to start all the way down to about -5F without the block heater. Once the battery went bad starts colder than say 25F were a challenge. I dunno why I had blinders on to that one. I tripple checked the glowplugs, put in some anti-gel, had the valves set again, all sorts of hokum and we were still dragging the poor thing behind the pickup truck twice a week... FINALLY I dropped $65 at Autozone and it was back to being able to start again. The old b attery just didn't have the capacity needed. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: [Diesel-Vanagon] OT: FS, super-nice Mercedes 300 diesel, spare for your Vanagon?
Zoltan Finks wrote: Looks nicer than ours which has half the miles. I wonder, though, if the speedometer is reading 15 mph low, is that odometer reading low too? They work in conjunction, right? They do, but the speedometer can have a calibration error even if the odometer reads correctly. If the error is due to larger tires they'll both be wrong.
Re: [MBZ] old rubber (was rear exhaust hanger question)
Folks, its pretty well established that if you want all those parts of your car that relies on the flexibility of rubber (bushings, exhaust hangers, brake hoses, etc), that after about ten years, you should consider replacing them - at least the ones that are hard, cracked, swelled, or just out of shape. Besides exhaust hangers that stretch and break, brake hoses have been known to swell and actually close up so that fluid can't get through to do what needs to be done! Kind of like Dr. Booths admonition about fuses - change them out or be prepared to chase problems at inopportune times. Werner - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question Yeah, mine went away recently too. Desert living has most things dried out on that vehicle. I figured the fat rubber hangers were cheap and I must remember to order them when I put in my glow plug order. Meantime, I have two white zip ties on each hanger. That's class! Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go ahead replace all 4 with new. Also, the newer design is better, with a rubber piece in the center that limits upward travel. Upward travel is normally limited by a rubber bumper on the chassis above the muffler, there should be a boss or something on the muffler that bumps into it. The improved 'donuts' have chain or something inside the rubber so they don't stretch out. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Ha. No, hopefully I'd have learned by now if I had. I've seen, or at least heard, two or three batterties explode when I worked at at service station. I think the cause was leaving them on a somewhat rapid charge for too long with the caps still on. And I think once I saw one explode from cranking the engine with the charger hooked up to it - this probably after being on the charger for a good period of time with the caps on? The bubbling noise, seeping sound, heat, and sulfer-like smell are all warning signs. But with many young men working in a busy shop with their attentions divided many ways, (some of them - not me- high on either pot or freon sucked straight out of a car's system) this can still happen. Brian On 1/2/07, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you had a lot of batteries explode? Levi (: Still wondering if there's any hope for his Red top Optima that seems to just continually draw as much power as you put in it (sucked 5 amps for about 3 days straight before I disconnected it). On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting about the battery. Did it not sound differently - I mean, the starter didn't audibly sound slower? Maybe it was the frog in the kettle syndrome. Encouraging that starts are possible in those temps without a block heater. My 240D seems to need glow plugs right now - wouldn't start at all last time I tried (in about 30 degree weather). Must order some plugs from Rusty. Often, on my other car, if I have the time, I'll throw my small batt. charger on and set it to boost as I crank, if it's particularly cold outside, just to sort of keep the batt. from having to work so hard as I crank for a longer time. Of course I cringe, hoping the batt. won't explode. Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the battery went bad my 240D would start really well down to about 20F. Below that it was alot of cranking but I could get it to start all the way down to about -5F without the block heater. Once the battery went bad starts colder than say 25F were a challenge. I dunno why I had blinders on to that one. I tripple checked the glowplugs, put in some anti-gel, had the valves set again, all sorts of hokum and we were still dragging the poor thing behind the pickup truck twice a week... FINALLY I dropped $65 at Autozone and it was back to being able to start again. The old b attery just didn't have the capacity needed. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
I would have thought it more likely to be a spark in the vicinity during one of those charging times that caused the explosion? I wasn't aware that under normal circumstances you could blow up a battery simply by charging it... Or maybe it was possible with older batteries? Levi On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha. No, hopefully I'd have learned by now if I had. I've seen, or at least heard, two or three batterties explode when I worked at at service station. I think the cause was leaving them on a somewhat rapid charge for too long with the caps still on. And I think once I saw one explode from cranking the engine with the charger hooked up to it - this probably after being on the charger for a good period of time with the caps on? The bubbling noise, seeping sound, heat, and sulfer-like smell are all warning signs. But with many young men working in a busy shop with their attentions divided many ways, (some of them - not me- high on either pot or freon sucked straight out of a car's system) this can still happen. Brian On 1/2/07, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you had a lot of batteries explode? Levi (: Still wondering if there's any hope for his Red top Optima that seems to just continually draw as much power as you put in it (sucked 5 amps for about 3 days straight before I disconnected it). On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting about the battery. Did it not sound differently - I mean, the starter didn't audibly sound slower? Maybe it was the frog in the kettle syndrome. Encouraging that starts are possible in those temps without a block heater. My 240D seems to need glow plugs right now - wouldn't start at all last time I tried (in about 30 degree weather). Must order some plugs from Rusty. Often, on my other car, if I have the time, I'll throw my small batt. charger on and set it to boost as I crank, if it's particularly cold outside, just to sort of keep the batt. from having to work so hard as I crank for a longer time. Of course I cringe, hoping the batt. won't explode. Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the battery went bad my 240D would start really well down to about 20F. Below that it was alot of cranking but I could get it to start all the way down to about -5F without the block heater. Once the battery went bad starts colder than say 25F were a challenge. I dunno why I had blinders on to that one. I tripple checked the glowplugs, put in some anti-gel, had the valves set again, all sorts of hokum and we were still dragging the poor thing behind the pickup truck twice a week... FINALLY I dropped $65 at Autozone and it was back to being able to start again. The old b attery just didn't have the capacity needed. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] old rubber
Werner Fehlauer writes: Besides exhaust hangers that stretch and break, brake hoses have been known to swell and actually close up so that fluid can't get through to do what needs to be done! Or, the fluid WILL go through under pressure, but then when you release the brake it will not flow BACK and you end up with your brakes clamped on. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Salvage yards in California and Oregon
I found a right fender in good shape at a Pick and Pull. The problem was getting the thing off of the vehicle. They use some sort of putty on the seam that was impossible to get off. The manual talks about using heat to soften it and I had a small butane blow torch thing but that didn't help. I gave up, a few people followed me and they were unsuccessful also getting the fender off, all bolts had been removed it was just that damn putty. Asked a knowledgeable body shop fellow who just stated that's why we use new ones. Alan 85 300 Turbo Craig McCluskey wrote: I'm going to be driving out there and want to find a W123 hood and right front fender in good condition. Anyone have any suggestions where? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Levi Smith wrote: I would have thought it more likely to be a spark in the vicinity during one of those charging times that caused the explosion? I wasn't aware that under normal circumstances you could blow up a battery simply by charging it... Or maybe it was possible with older batteries? Overcharging plus plugged vent caps can burst a battery. Letting the battery heat up to the point where the plates warp and short can also spark an explosion. A battery being rapid-charged produces hydrogen gas at a pretty furious rate, so the atmosphere in and around it will be rather explosive.
Re: [MBZ] Lobstah
Zeitgeist wrote: Almost always requires a reservation down here in Olympia. Probably one of the premier eateries in town, which mostly speaks to the a sad dearth of dining options. I usually go to the Point Defiance one. I usually have to wait 30-45 minutes if I don't have a reservation.
Re: [MBZ] M1 - Oil Analysis of Unused M1 0W30 (Hope it getsthruwithout being Stripped)
LarryT wrote: Excess gas in the oil is a common problem and IMO is caused by short trips which do not allow the oil to get hot enough to burn off the excess fuel - which is probably caused by poorly tuned carburetors or FI/ Stuck chokes will also do this, bad carb floats, bad fuel pumps on cars that have engine-driven mechanical pumps, etc. In severe cases the engine can actually appear to gain oil. Gasoline contamination of the oil is why some old cars get better emissions test numbers with fresh oil. The gasoline fumes that cook out of old, contaminated oil end up in the breather system and go into the intake manifold, making the mixture richer.
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Indeed, maybe a spark introduced into the whole mix can be the cause in the case of bursting or exploding upon start attempt. Brian On 1/2/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith wrote: I would have thought it more likely to be a spark in the vicinity during one of those charging times that caused the explosion? I wasn't aware that under normal circumstances you could blow up a battery simply by charging it... Or maybe it was possible with older batteries? Overcharging plus plugged vent caps can burst a battery. Letting the battery heat up to the point where the plates warp and short can also spark an explosion. A battery being rapid-charged produces hydrogen gas at a pretty furious rate, so the atmosphere in and around it will be rather explosive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] old rubber
On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner Fehlauer writes: Besides exhaust hangers that stretch and break, brake hoses have been known to swell and actually close up so that fluid can't get through to do what needs to be done! Or, the fluid WILL go through under pressure, but then when you release the brake it will not flow BACK and you end up with your brakes clamped on. Don't forget vacuum hoses! Many a slow-to-shut-off diesel engine, dysfunctional door lock, or rough-idling gasser has been cured by their replacement. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '92 Isuzu Trooper (currently idling rough---the shoemaker's children go barefoot)
Re: [MBZ] Salvage yards in California and Oregon
Unfortunately, some of the other parts of the car get ruined in the process, but a battery powered sawzall with some metal cutting blades can usually get a part released so that you can work on it at home. The yards around here will not let you in with any sort of torch. I assume they are concerned about fires. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Clarke Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Salvage yards in California and Oregon I found a right fender in good shape at a Pick and Pull. The problem was getting the thing off of the vehicle. They use some sort of putty on the seam that was impossible to get off. The manual talks about using heat to soften it and I had a small butane blow torch thing but that didn't help. I gave up, a few people followed me and they were unsuccessful also getting the fender off, all bolts had been removed it was just that damn putty. Asked a knowledgeable body shop fellow who just stated that's why we use new ones. Alan 85 300 Turbo Craig McCluskey wrote: I'm going to be driving out there and want to find a W123 hood and right front fender in good condition. Anyone have any suggestions where? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] list name
And yet Hank Hill had to give Marshall, and another listmember who caught a mistake in the footer URL's, flippant and borderline nasty replies. He's either working too hard or off his meds. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] list name I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ name by the another list - until Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Don't mess about with anything other than the designated donuts for your Benz.. They're the right size and rubber composition for your system. Generic donuts or road-side salvages will have your muffler swinging about worse than a hot day's scrotum [pardon my turn-of-phrase]. Euan CHCH NZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question There should be 4 rubber donuts. they can be put on by hand. You can get replacements at flaps (don't know how good those are.) Or its one item i'd consider buying from a dealer cause they'd have em and you should be able to walk out with 2 or 3 for $20. Or, you can order them from Rusty and get good ones at a reasonable price. If you on.ly replace the missing one(s) now, I'd consider replacing the rest, or all with new ones from Rusty in the next month or two.
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. Do tell: Are you able to find black rope so that the rear-most ones won't look lousy to the more discriminating tailgater? And do you not find that the hangers occasionally play jump rope? What kind of knot do you tie to make things inconspicuous? (I'm not worth my salt in the area of knot-tying). Brian 83 240D On 1/2/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tired of constantly replacing the rubber donuts, and am now using nylon cord/rope - 1/4 inch or so - two wraps around the hangers, and tie it off. the Nylon has some give, hasn't melted under heat in the last six years, doesn't get hard and brittle near as fast, and I've never had to replace any. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering
Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow plug to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on their glow plug page. I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for the year and see what comes up. Didn't think the engine number would be any different. The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124 Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Brian On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Double check that this is the right one, but http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/buymb/022406/quote.jsp?header=http://www.buymbparts.com/header.txtfooter=http://www.buymbparts.com/footer.txtproduct=H8050-14328partner=buymbbaseurl=http://www.buymbparts.com/clientid=buymbparts There'd be some shipping charge too, unless you can put enough together to reach his free shipping minimum. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna
The thing is that they are relatively easy to remove and disassemble, what I usally do is to take the motor out so I can turn the mechanism by hand and fit the new mast that way. This way it is easy to see/feel how the thing is working. That little steel wheel is critical to the operation of the aerial because it applies pressure, without that pressure the mast won't go all the way up/down but rather just move the mast up and down in the easy 2 and 3 parts of the mast. I usally pull any electric aerial I come across at the wreckers apart to see if there are any good parts inside, if not I reassemble the aerial and put it back in the boot for someone else to look at/buy. - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Antenna Hendrik - Thanks for the note. The antenna went down to the last section [leaving about 8 out of the car] until the car wash jockey pounded on it. It still goes down just that far, but now will not go all the way up [it leaves at least one section not extended]. I do think there is an internal problem somewhere - and it sounds like I should try some disassembly to see what all is broken. I suspect a new mast will be needed, at least. I suppose in 25 years I can expect a bit of wear and tear, and a bit of time and TLC will be a good investment. It makes sense to check twice and order once rather than the other way around... BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 282 k Miles
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
You can likely get them locally for that price too. I did. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Brian On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level
Zoltan Finks wrote: As a pump-jockey, I ran into that many times (I'm sure others have too). Sometimes it's downright irritating. I seem to see it with auto tranny fluid dipsticks more. You have to re-dip half a dozen times and sort of use the most common reading. I always have that problem with ATF dipsticks. Either that or the whole stick ends up coated no matter how I try to read it. Some engines are easy to read the dipstick on and some aren't. My Mercedes was always easy. My VW Cabriolet is easy. But my Crown Vic is a trial. The oil won't form anything like an even line on the stick. It wicks up it in some places and runs off in others. The stick has holes drilled at the ADD and FULL marks, so I've been going by those. If there's oil trapped in the ADD hole I figure the level is above that point. Cars with short, stiff dipsticks that go in straight seem to be easiest. The Cabriolet's is like that. I used to have a diesel Vanagon with a short, bright-orange plastic stick and that one was a piece of cake to read. Long, floppy dipsticks that follow convoluted tubes seem to be the worst.
Re: [MBZ] geoduck
Zeitgeist wrote: Geoducks are quite tasty (especially in chowdah), but other NW bivalves are even better, such as the Razor Clam, Butter Clam and Olympia Oyster...oh, and the Dungeness Crab kicks crustacean butt, too! Mmm. I love razor clams. I didn't think I liked seafood until I moved out here. Then I found out I'd just never had really fresh seafood.
Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering
Do you have the Fast glow plugs? If so, and they weren't original to your 240D, it's best to wait and call Rusty - he'll know exactly what to send - I believe they work 9-5 ET. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow plug to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on their glow plug page. I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for the year and see what comes up. Didn't think the engine number would be any different. The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124 Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level
Y'all can tell I have a lazy day of haning around and messing with computer and working out/eating. Dipsticks: I think it's a real problem to add fluid down ATF tube, then try to check it. And the three foot long ones were always quite unpleasing - made you look foolish as you try to catch the end of it. Some of the most pleasing dipsticks were on the mail jeeps we checked. Right there and short and to the point. Brian On 1/2/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: As a pump-jockey, I ran into that many times (I'm sure others have too). Sometimes it's downright irritating. I seem to see it with auto tranny fluid dipsticks more. You have to re-dip half a dozen times and sort of use the most common reading. I always have that problem with ATF dipsticks. Either that or the whole stick ends up coated no matter how I try to read it. Some engines are easy to read the dipstick on and some aren't. My Mercedes was always easy. My VW Cabriolet is easy. But my Crown Vic is a trial. The oil won't form anything like an even line on the stick. It wicks up it in some places and runs off in others. The stick has holes drilled at the ADD and FULL marks, so I've been going by those. If there's oil trapped in the ADD hole I figure the level is above that point. Cars with short, stiff dipsticks that go in straight seem to be easiest. The Cabriolet's is like that. I used to have a diesel Vanagon with a short, bright-orange plastic stick and that one was a piece of cake to read. Long, floppy dipsticks that follow convoluted tubes seem to be the worst. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Depending on your MB, there are Hard and Soft compound donuts - also, if your state has a vehicle inspection they'll be unlikely to let rope (or metal, duct tape, etc) pass. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
Zoltan Finks wrote: I, and most given to contemplation, have analyzed what it is about certain words that makes them unacceptable in society. The four letter word could be buck just as easily as it could be fuck and if society has labeled it profane, it's profane. In that respect, you're correct - it's all relative. Many of the four-letter terms that are considered profane now were originally merely descriptive. But they were lower-class and vulgar and conveyed concepts that were not to be discussed in polite company in a more puritanical age. Profanity back then would have been the use of religiously blasphemous language.
Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering
I actually don't know if I have the fast plugs. I know I asked about this a few days ago, but still not sure (my fault). We'll be moving away from a cold climate, and to Washington state, (you heard me, Zeitgeist), so may not need the quick plugs? I thought that by around '82 or '83 vehicles were equipped with pencil type that did not take all four out if one goes out. Loop type would be the older and were wired such that one bad one took all of them out? Brian 83 240D Glad things can't be thrown at me via the inernet On 1/2/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have the Fast glow plugs? If so, and they weren't original to your 240D, it's best to wait and call Rusty - he'll know exactly what to send - I believe they work 9-5 ET. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow plug to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on their glow plug page. I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for the year and see what comes up. Didn't think the engine number would be any different. The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124 Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Tom Hargrave wrote: My Wife bought a 2006 4WD Grand Cherokee with a V6 last year and she loves it. The system is a full time 4WD it uses the brakes to lock down any wheel that spins. She does need it since she works in Wisconsin. I've driven the jeep in the snow and the 4WD system works great. How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to.
Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level
David wrote:Long, floppy dipsticks that follow convoluted tubes seem to be the worst. That would seem to indicate the oil is rubbing against the sides of the tube and smearing it across the dipstick. Now that you mention it, the dipstick on my lawnmower is extremely easy to read - and it's only about 4 long and and made of hard yellow plastic - so it;s very easy to see the oil level. I guess I need to try multiple attempts at checking the level to try and get an average level. Thanks for all the comments - I was bginning to think I;d lost my ability to perform such a simple task. Hmmm... I wonder if using Synthetic has made this problem worse ? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level Zoltan Finks wrote: As a pump-jockey, I ran into that many times (I'm sure others have too). Sometimes it's downright irritating. I seem to see it with auto tranny fluid dipsticks more. You have to re-dip half a dozen times and sort of use the most common reading. I always have that problem with ATF dipsticks. Either that or the whole stick ends up coated no matter how I try to read it. Some engines are easy to read the dipstick on and some aren't. My Mercedes was always easy. My VW Cabriolet is easy. But my Crown Vic is a trial. The oil won't form anything like an even line on the stick. It wicks up it in some places and runs off in others. The stick has holes drilled at the ADD and FULL marks, so I've been going by those. If there's oil trapped in the ADD hole I figure the level is above that point. Cars with short, stiff dipsticks that go in straight seem to be easiest. The Cabriolet's is like that. I used to have a diesel Vanagon with a short, bright-orange plastic stick and that one was a piece of cake to read. Long, floppy dipsticks that follow convoluted tubes seem to be the worst. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering
I think you're correct - around 81 the factory was installing the pencil plugs with fast wiring. If you have the very large metal (1/16 dia or so) rods between GPs those are the old fashioned GP's with the old fashioned wiring. The fast glow system has wiring that look like those to power your radio - But with an 83 240D - the last year for the W123 240D (in USA at least) making it the most developed 240D extant. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering I actually don't know if I have the fast plugs. I know I asked about this a few days ago, but still not sure (my fault). We'll be moving away from a cold climate, and to Washington state, (you heard me, Zeitgeist), so may not need the quick plugs? I thought that by around '82 or '83 vehicles were equipped with pencil type that did not take all four out if one goes out. Loop type would be the older and were wired such that one bad one took all of them out? Brian 83 240D Glad things can't be thrown at me via the inernet On 1/2/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have the Fast glow plugs? If so, and they weren't original to your 240D, it's best to wait and call Rusty - he'll know exactly what to send - I believe they work 9-5 ET. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [MBZ] Engine Number for G.P. Ordering Looks like it's closing time in Georgia (they're Eastern time over at Rusty's operation I guess). Was trying to call them and ask which glow plug to order. My engine number does not match any of the provided numbers on their glow plug page. I guess my engine came out of an '82 240D. Maybe I'll type in '82 for the year and see what comes up. Didn't think the engine number would be any different. The number on my engine is: 616 912 10 268124 Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007
Re: [MBZ] Bob Hoover
OK Don wrote: It's not crazy - it's precise control, and knowing EXACTLY what he's doing! Did you catch the comment about his 'late' friends who thought it was cool to fly lower than anyone else? Yeah, you don't reach Bob Hoover's age doing that kind of thing if you don't know what you're doing. There's a saying, There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. The key sensor failed in the new one the dealership replaced it under warranty. The 2001 warped 2 rotors I replaced them the calipers myself. I lost a water pump in the 2001 at 120,000 miles lost the water pump in her second Dodge truck at 86,000 miles. I consider the rotors water pumps regular service items. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/02/07 06:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave wrote: My Wife bought a 2006 4WD Grand Cherokee with a V6 last year and she loves it. The system is a full time 4WD it uses the brakes to lock down any wheel that spins. She does need it since she works in Wisconsin. I've driven the jeep in the snow and the 4WD system works great. How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
That's the old style hanger. There is nothing wrong with the old style but there is always a chance that the muffler can bounce out of the hangers. The new style has rubber inserts in the center to prevent this from happening. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/02/07 05:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Double check that this is the right one, but http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/buymb/022406/quote.jsp?header=http: //www.buymbparts.com/header.txtfooter=http://www.buymbparts.com/footer. txtproduct=H8050-14328partner=buymbbaseurl=http://www.buymbparts.com/ clientid=buymbparts There'd be some shipping charge too, unless you can put enough together to reach his free shipping minimum. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
I find that road dirt makes the white nylon less conspicuous in short order. If the muffler is tied up into place, I don't think many tailgaters will be able to see it - if you don't leave long dangling ends. I've never had one jump off. I either use a couple of square knots (not optimal, but effective so far), or one of those specialized nautical knots - that I only learn long enough to use once every several years. If I've used it recently, I use it on the muffler. If it's been too long, then it gets a square knot or two. It seemed like I was replacing those rubber donuts every year or two (regardless of source) - multiplied by too many cars, and it becomes a hassle that's easily avoided with a bit of nylon. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
