Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scamor no
Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks, Allan. Yeah I do think that'd be a great help - to have someone give me a job hunting makeover. You have an undergrad education, right? How about using the school's career center give you a hand? Mine seemed a bit upset with me when I was a grad student in Economics and I wanted their assistance finding me a job based on my BBA in Accountancy. I finally said to the girl at the counter Look, lady, a MS in Econ is good for two things, a job in banking, or admission into a phd program. At the moment, I don't want either of those. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
As someone who has lived many years in Va I can attest to the lack of winter driving ability. A heavy frost will see people driving crazy. A few inches of snow and people still drive the same as when it's warm and dry - and we see all kinds of 4x4's in the ditch and way up in people's yards! The worst is when we get ice. Normal people know nothing short of spikes will provide any traction but the Va drivers still drive like it is dry weather. They go the same speed and practice the same stopping distances. When we lived in NJ, Il and MD we saw *lots* of snow and ice. The residents of those states drove reasonably well - the NJ drivers were rude and discourteous, the Il drivers very good and in Md most people stayed home when the roads were bad! Probably the best methoid for surviving bad driving conditions. But Va drivers (and most living in the sun belt) get snow so infrequently they have no idea how to drive in it. Later ya'll - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable? R A Bennell wrote: Not so sure about that. Lots of slippery spots here too. Suspect we are just more accustomed to dealing with slippery. When my brother lived in Virginia, he was laughing at the inept drivers the first time it snowed. (and he was driving a Chevy LUV 2x4 with fat tires on it, so most of them had superior equipment) His girlfriend, a local, was aghast that he would find such a natural disaster amusing. To him, a couple inches of snow was a normal day in February, so it was funny to watch everybody else freak out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Sales
MBUSA - but I suspect worldwide sales are pretty good also. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Sales LarryT wrote: Don't have details - but for the past 5 years MB has had good sales years - it'd be a good time to be a salesperson - MB sales or MBUSA sales? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Without a doubt one of the most beautiful cars ever made. I've seen many in black but the Ivory color is much more elegant IMO. Also, the engineering quality is evident in the photos - but the photo showing the rear axle shows a nut missing from one bolt. ;-) Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] 500K http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?
I found a light out that illuminates the area around the light switch. When I removed the panel from around the light switch (it pops off by moving it toward the drivers' door) I found a burned out bulb. I don;t believe it had ever worked - but the Bad Bulb feature in the dash didn't tell me it was bad. I'm pretty sure that is only for exterior lights. Also, there;s a lightbulb in the gearshift to indicate what ger you;re in. \ Fixing those 2 gave me light I hadnt seen before ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light? Thanks Peter, Both side vent lights are fine, as are the lights on the window lifts. Think I'll tackle the centre vent first, then the headlight switch later. My understanding is, when the bulb out warning light goes on, it means there's a light out somewhere in the system, could be anyone. Does anyone have a quick check list of all the lights in a W124? There may be a couple missing that have been out since I got the car 7 or so months ago. All the obvious ones work, other than the ones I mentioned. Ed 300E On 14/02/2008, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those take one of those very small no-base type push-in lamps. To access the center vent, you need to unscrew the actuating lever from the roller - it's visible inside the vent, and take the out the screw exposed in the side when you open the glove box. The vent then pulls out from the passenger side. Bulb is in a tiny holder on the bottom, I seem to remember a trap door of some sort, so don't just yank. The bulb for the headlight switch can be accessed by pulling the knob off toward the rear, then unscrewing the bezel nut (24mm). The plate surrounding the switch will then come off to the rear and you can pull the little bulb holder out. Same bulb in all of them, including the shift quadrant (I need to replace all of mine). The ones for the side vents are more of a PITA, you have to pull all four little clips inward to release the vent and pull it out rearward. You can get to the bulb holder on the driver's side if you pull the cluster for any reason, and the one on the passenger side if you pull the glove box. Easier that getting the vents out! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?
the Bad Bulb feature in the dash didn't tell me it was bad. I'm pretty sure that is only for exterior lights. It is. Only for those lights you can't see from your seat, the ones that can get you a ticket or even killed if broken. What, you want a light in the dash to tell you another light in the dash isn't working? :-) On a practical note, the wiring to the lamps is made considerably more complex and expensive if there is a bulb-out detector on it. And there's a _lot_ of dash lamps, nearly as many as the exteriors. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Actually, I think that the more attributes a creature shares with humans visually, the more sympathy we have for it. It's not all that complicated. The creatures that please us we try not to eat so much. Bad, bad Dog! Curry time! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GM cars
Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
I just acquired the SEL as a donor for my 300SD in the hope of swapping a few parts. The donor dash has the burl wood trim and no cracks so I'm gonna try that - all the cutouts appear identical including shifter trim. It looks to be a real PITA job, but I'm sure it is in the manual. Does anybody have thoughts on this job from personal experience and/or a link to a write up if it exists? Not sure how I am going to handle the trim for the rear doors. Another swap will be the front seats (not heated) along with a dye job from brown leather to black. Am I gonna get lucky on the bolt holes lining up? The car has front end body damage with 187k and receipts for a $3800 tranny rebuild 30k miles ago - lemme know if anyone needs anything. I'm up near Lake Tahoe. Steve 250SE 220 450SLC 300SD 380SEL parts 5 cars is nucking futs! how do people do 10? **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll check out that LinkedIn site you suggested. I'm on it, though I have not ever received any unsolicited contacts from anyone else via LinkedIn. I have really not put any effort into my LinkedIn portfolio though, I only signed up because most of the other people in my office are on it... I can see where it would be good for the sort of work that requires or benefits from maintaining a large network. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
I would assume most stuff except for doors, carpet and headliner would interchange from SEL to SD. You could probably cut the carpet under the front seats where it doesn't show and swap that too. Why not just go with brown (tobacco?) seats all around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People just feel much much better about going with someone they know or have some connection to. That is absolutely true. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 240
Don't belittle the importance of being able to TALK about this seemingly small little issue'. Give thanks that we are unlike the ethnically diverse folks in the nation formerly known as Yugoslavia who look alike but whose different religions and cultural heritage gives them license to murder one another in an endless cycle of violence. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who choose to categorize themselves with a hyphenated name, is the reason they usually put Americian second due to their feeling it rolls off the tongue easier, or is it by design? I would think most would want to put the name of the country they make their home first. In English, the most important part goes last. For example: Big Jerk. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement...it is in-line, I imagine...slant 6? Turbo? Are they any good? Commentsthoughts Chris CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
I am gonna step out on a limb here and say something sure to infuriate the greenie weenies. Before I start though, a little background: my grandpa had a buddy named Aldo Leopold. Aldo was a frequent visitor, and Grandpa and Grandma would trek up to Aldo's place regularly also. Grandpa implemented many environmental/conservation works and practices long before the rest of the country ever heard of conservation or environmentalism. The stewardship was drilled into my being long before the environmentalism or earth day came into being. Who is the mass killer with the highest body count Hitler? no Stalin? No Pol Pot? No Mao? no A kindly looking grandmother type has over 6 billion lives lost to her credit. These are lives lost to mosquito-borne illnesses. And the number will continue to go up unless we put a stop to junk science and insist on real science. the killer is Rachel Carson. A do-gooder gone awry. I have taken malaria medicine. After a week or so of that, I decided the cure was worse that the disease, and I stopped taking the malaria pills. I'd much rather have DDT available for specific uses by conscientious people. At 03:40 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote: Of course the same article says that DDT is not readily absorbed into the skin. But of course theres another side: http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html The truth probably lies someplace in the middle. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:23 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember reading something not long back that suggested stopping the use of DDT was one of the worst things that has happened to 3rd world countries. We were afraid of what it might do to people so we stopped producing it. However, what the mosquitos do in many tropical countries is a whole lot worse for most people that the effects of DDT ever might be. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get first nations to describe what we used to refer to as Indians. In the states, the politically correct expression is (or was, maybe I'm behind the times) Native American. My grandmother, a progressive northern schoolteacher in her youth (born 1904), always said colored people. By 1990, she was starting to catch on to 'black', but by then the hyphenated P.C. crap was in vogue, so she was still behind the times. I must admit the hyphens piss me off more than they should. What's the matter with you, isn't being American good enough for ya? I never knew an African-American, all the African born people I know are still citizens of some country over there. I do know a lot of Indian- Americans, Lebanese-Americans, and even a few Pakistani-Americans, but I figure most people would just call them Immigrants. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
Driving in a Winnipeg blizzard was challenging but actually fun because of the seeming scarcity of idiots behind the wheel (how's that for damning with faint praise?) On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who has lived many years in Va I can attest to the lack of winter driving ability. A heavy frost will see people driving crazy. A few inches of snow and people still drive the same as when it's warm and dry - and we see all kinds of 4x4's in the ditch and way up in people's yards! The worst is when we get ice. Normal people know nothing short of spikes will provide any traction but the Va drivers still drive like it is dry weather. They go the same speed and practice the same stopping distances. When we lived in NJ, Il and MD we saw *lots* of snow and ice. The residents of those states drove reasonably well - the NJ drivers were rude and discourteous, the Il drivers very good and in Md most people stayed home when the roads were bad! Probably the best methoid for surviving bad driving conditions. But Va drivers (and most living in the sun belt) get snow so infrequently they have no idea how to drive in it. Later ya'll - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable? R A Bennell wrote: Not so sure about that. Lots of slippery spots here too. Suspect we are just more accustomed to dealing with slippery. When my brother lived in Virginia, he was laughing at the inept drivers the first time it snowed. (and he was driving a Chevy LUV 2x4 with fat tires on it, so most of them had superior equipment) His girlfriend, a local, was aghast that he would find such a natural disaster amusing. To him, a couple inches of snow was a normal day in February, so it was funny to watch everybody else freak out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Christopher McCann wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement... Back then, Bee-Em-Vay model numbers made sense. 324d was 2.4L inline six, 524td was the same engine in the larger chassis with the turbo. A bit more powerful than a 2.5L mbz turbo, maybe 125-135hp. Much stronger than a 240d. Seems like the top end (valvetrain, head) is less reliable than mbz. I don't know what kind of injection pump it has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
I'm optimistic that science will develop a better way to deal with malaria than the indiscriminate use of DDT. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am gonna step out on a limb here and say something sure to infuriate the greenie weenies. Before I start though, a little background: my grandpa had a buddy named Aldo Leopold. Aldo was a frequent visitor, and Grandpa and Grandma would trek up to Aldo's place regularly also. Grandpa implemented many environmental/conservation works and practices long before the rest of the country ever heard of conservation or environmentalism. The stewardship was drilled into my being long before the environmentalism or earth day came into being. Who is the mass killer with the highest body count Hitler? no Stalin? No Pol Pot? No Mao? no A kindly looking grandmother type has over 6 billion lives lost to her credit. These are lives lost to mosquito-borne illnesses. And the number will continue to go up unless we put a stop to junk science and insist on real science. the killer is Rachel Carson. A do-gooder gone awry. I have taken malaria medicine. After a week or so of that, I decided the cure was worse that the disease, and I stopped taking the malaria pills. I'd much rather have DDT available for specific uses by conscientious people. At 03:40 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote: Of course the same article says that DDT is not readily absorbed into the skin. But of course theres another side: http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html The truth probably lies someplace in the middle. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:23 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember reading something not long back that suggested stopping the use of DDT was one of the worst things that has happened to 3rd world countries. We were afraid of what it might do to people so we stopped producing it. However, what the mosquitos do in many tropical countries is a whole lot worse for most people that the effects of DDT ever might be. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
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[MBZ] 190D update
I cleaned all the (Nippondenso) compressor parts in the solvent tank. That was tedious, and cold! (I didn't plug in the tank heater, probably I should have.) Everything cleaned up well. I saw no scoring of the cylinders or pistons. The swash plate had marks where the piston glide buttons had sat, perhaps corrosion was setting up? It came off with a bit of worn 600-grit wet-and-dry sandpaper. That revealed that there was only one small score arc in one face of the swash plate, which I burnished down. I think it will be OK. Everything cleaned up pretty well, in fact. The thrust bearings roll smoothly. There was some black smudge on a lot of places such as the piston and valve faces, but it rubbed off. 'Black death'? Didn't seem too deadly to me, it could have just been decomposed oil residue. Looks to me like the compressor siezed up quickly enough that it didn't damage itself. The car's belt-saver circuit may have helped. At the moment I see no reason not to reassemble and use this compressor. I should have a new seal kit for it, but I don't. Next time! I'll reassemble the compressor body first before cleaning the exterior clutch parts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
Mitch wrote: I would assume most stuff except for doors, carpet...Why not just go with brown (tobacco?) seats all around? I assumed also, but I was bummed to find that driver seat switch was hardwired on the SD, but SEL had plug-ins - I'm lazy. I was also dreaming that tach amp and cruise amp might swap - not. My other dream was that cold start valve would work for the 450 SLC - haven't tried yet, but I'm sure that's a not also. As far as the seats, I considered, but the rears are electrically adjustable which would probably entail drilling for new mounts, and I would still be faced with long door panels for my short doors. That SEL sure is a pretty car -- wish my SD had an L on it. Steve **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Hyphenated names, and other stuff.
I lived in Ireland during a very turbulent time, and it's amazing what small differences people are willing to kill each other over. My feeling towards hyphenating a name is that the effort could be better spent elsewhere. All it does is divide ppl into subgroups, which isn't really the stuff of good nation building. I remember 30 years ago, many of us would look to the US and be amazed how regardless of colour or faith, everyone called themselves Americans. What amazes me, is most who hyphenate there name have never stepped foot in the country they hyphenate along with American. Given the chance, I think many would soon see they have very little, if any common connection to those countries now. What makes America great is how it takes ppl from different countries and allows them to live and mix together. In that sense, they all become what is uniquely American. I still feel being an American, is being part of something special enough that the title doesn't need to be embellished with anything else. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't belittle the importance of being able to TALK about this seemingly small little issue'. Give thanks that we are unlike the ethnically diverse folks in the nation formerly known as Yugoslavia who look alike but whose different religions and cultural heritage gives them license to murder one another in an endless cycle of violence. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who choose to categorize themselves with a hyphenated name, is the reason they usually put Americian second due to their feeling it rolls off the tongue easier, or is it by design? I would think most would want to put the name of the country they make their home first. In English, the most important part goes last. For example: Big Jerk. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
not a fan of early diesel aluminum heads. cm Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and said to be somewhat fragile, though they often get high miles out of 'em, so it's probably a lot like the OM603 heads, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Aluminum head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
They use a Bosch VE injection pump, similar to those found on the early Cummins 6BT and VW/Volvo diesels. Nice cars. I'd certainly buy one if the price were right. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Aluminum head? KN - saw that - so stupid. cm Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement... Back then, Bee-Em-Vay model numbers made sense. 324d was 2.4L inline six, 524td was the same engine in the larger chassis with the turbo. A bit more powerful than a 2.5L mbz turbo, maybe 125-135hp. Much stronger than a 240d. Seems like the top end (valvetrain, head) is less reliable than mbz. I don't know what kind of injection pump it has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
tranny is a real cheapie ZF, no? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement... Back then, Bee-Em-Vay model numbers made sense. 324d was 2.4L inline six, 524td was the same engine in the larger chassis with the turbo. A bit more powerful than a 2.5L mbz turbo, maybe 125-135hp. Much stronger than a 240d. Seems like the top end (valvetrain, head) is less reliable than mbz. I don't know what kind of injection pump it has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
As far as the seats, I considered, but the rears are electrically adjustable which would probably entail drilling for new mounts, and I would still be faced with long door panels for my short doors. I don't think you can put the tilt rear seat into a non-L body. I think it scoots out about as much as the increased legroom, so when reclined leaves you with the non-L's dimensions. In a non-L that seat would probably pinch your legs against the seatback in front of you! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D update
I've taken those pumps apart, and they seem pretty well constructed to me. Of course, I have no reference from which to judge, though. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cleaned all the (Nippondenso) compressor parts in the solvent tank. That was tedious, and cold! (I didn't plug in the tank heater, probably I should have.) Everything cleaned up well. I saw no scoring of the cylinders or pistons. The swash plate had marks where the piston glide buttons had sat, perhaps corrosion was setting up? It came off with a bit of worn 600-grit wet-and-dry sandpaper. That revealed that there was only one small score arc in one face of the swash plate, which I burnished down. I think it will be OK. Everything cleaned up pretty well, in fact. The thrust bearings roll smoothly. There was some black smudge on a lot of places such as the piston and valve faces, but it rubbed off. 'Black death'? Didn't seem too deadly to me, it could have just been decomposed oil residue. Looks to me like the compressor siezed up quickly enough that it didn't damage itself. The car's belt-saver circuit may have helped. At the moment I see no reason not to reassemble and use this compressor. I should have a new seal kit for it, but I don't. Next time! I'll reassemble the compressor body first before cleaning the exterior clutch parts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Yes, and said to be somewhat fragile, though they often get high miles out of 'em, so it's probably a lot like the OM603 heads, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aluminum head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. I do, sort of. About a dozen that could be driven, though most not right away. Anathema to my wife, however. Not real fond of GM in general, but we have a couple. I guess we've got Ford, GM, Chrysler, and MB represented. Nothing Japanese, however. No front-wheel drive. No SUV of any sort. I guess we're weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I have one of each too. As a package, I prefer the mercedes, but then again, it cost a lot more than the others too. As far as mechanical reliability, I think they're all pretty much the same, if anything, maybe the GMs are better. The mercedes rides nicer, but then again, it has a multi link rear end, and not a live axle. That's also reflected in the cost when buying new. I think all cars have their weak spots, and it's just a matter of what you're will to live with. For the most part, if well serviced, I find most cars will go hundreds of thousand of kms or miles without much trouble. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. I do, sort of. About a dozen that could be driven, though most not right away. Anathema to my wife, however. Not real fond of GM in general, but we have a couple. I guess we've got Ford, GM, Chrysler, and MB represented. Nothing Japanese, however. No front-wheel drive. No SUV of any sort. I guess we're weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
That's part of the superior Engineering comment I made earlier. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars mercedes is the only car that i know of that you can buy a neglected beater anywhere and probably make it back home in it. when i bought my first mercedes, i thought it was a real plus that the interior had been redone and definitively explained to the owner that he was incorrect to think that a 25 year old vinyl interior could have been original. a guy i know got rid of his 160k mile 15 year old buick le sabre because he was told by his mechanic that it was completely worn out. way back in teh day, this would have made sense to me. after a decade of mercedes ownership, my first natural reaction is what? cars don't wear out. i drive w123 mercedes. they are the best at nothing and not even excellent in any category of performance. they handle ok, but surely not well. they ride pretty well, but not great. they are relatively spartan by modern standards. but they last forever here in the south, parts are cheap and plentiful and they are simple to maintain and repair. my only real regret about them is fuel economy and that is only because of the huge increase in the price of fuel. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I changed a timing belt on a non-interference engine last Fall. I too appreciate your fondness for them. :-) Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
mercedes is the only car that i know of that you can buy a neglected beater anywhere and probably make it back home in it. when i bought my first mercedes, i thought it was a real plus that the interior had been redone and definitively explained to the owner that he was incorrect to think that a 25 year old vinyl interior could have been original. a guy i know got rid of his 160k mile 15 year old buick le sabre because he was told by his mechanic that it was completely worn out. way back in teh day, this would have made sense to me. after a decade of mercedes ownership, my first natural reaction is what? cars don't wear out. i drive w123 mercedes. they are the best at nothing and not even excellent in any category of performance. they handle ok, but surely not well. they ride pretty well, but not great. they are relatively spartan by modern standards. but they last forever here in the south, parts are cheap and plentiful and they are simple to maintain and repair. my only real regret about them is fuel economy and that is only because of the huge increase in the price of fuel. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars GM sucks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
Nobody has advocated indiscriminate use of DDT in recent decades. In the meantime R.C. and the greenie weenies' death toll climbs daily. At 09:29 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote: I'm optimistic that science will develop a better way to deal with malaria than the indiscriminate use of DDT. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am gonna step out on a limb here and say something sure to infuriate the greenie weenies. Before I start though, a little background: my grandpa had a buddy named Aldo Leopold. Aldo was a frequent visitor, and Grandpa and Grandma would trek up to Aldo's place regularly also. Grandpa implemented many environmental/conservation works and practices long before the rest of the country ever heard of conservation or environmentalism. The stewardship was drilled into my being long before the environmentalism or earth day came into being. Who is the mass killer with the highest body count Hitler? no Stalin? No Pol Pot? No Mao? no A kindly looking grandmother type has over 6 billion lives lost to her credit. These are lives lost to mosquito-borne illnesses. And the number will continue to go up unless we put a stop to junk science and insist on real science. the killer is Rachel Carson. A do-gooder gone awry. I have taken malaria medicine. After a week or so of that, I decided the cure was worse that the disease, and I stopped taking the malaria pills. I'd much rather have DDT available for specific uses by conscientious people. At 03:40 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote: Of course the same article says that DDT is not readily absorbed into the skin. But of course theres another side: http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html The truth probably lies someplace in the middle. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:23 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember reading something not long back that suggested stopping the use of DDT was one of the worst things that has happened to 3rd world countries. We were afraid of what it might do to people so we stopped producing it. However, what the mosquitos do in many tropical countries is a whole lot worse for most people that the effects of DDT ever might be. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote: GM sucks I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your email, I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they sucks. ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit and finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM cars in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner of at least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any other cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two oldsmobiles and two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service, repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close. If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and lack much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a 1999 Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a great deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still under warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job and I knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did very little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a transmission flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other than front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window switch - about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at the dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars. I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One was a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I would have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I paid for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88 that was newer and nicer with the 3800. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Be prepared to pay through the nostrils for any parts needed. The good news is that IF the parts are available Rusty can get them. I'd bet that any parts for the engine would have to be shipped from Germany. At 10:07 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote: not a fan of early diesel aluminum heads. cm Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and said to be somewhat fragile, though they often get high miles out of 'em, so it's probably a lot like the OM603 heads, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Aluminum head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com CSSML NDSMD + VRSNSMV SMQLIVB -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen '75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt '84 300Dt -Anke Sammy von der Burg Austerlitz (GSDs) Nanook (Siberian Husky) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Yes... On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call
great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move
Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924
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From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 2/15/08 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong
enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures
aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap
ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in
general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and
have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your
email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they
sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit
and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM
cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner
of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any
other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two
oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and
lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a
1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a
great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still
under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job
and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did
very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a
transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other
than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window
switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at
the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One
was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I
would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I
paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88
that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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[MBZ] 524TD
116 HP as I recall. More zip than an SD because lighter. Heard the same about the top end being less robust and requiring more work. Cracked heads, the usual. Dan On Feb 15, 2008, at 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back then, Bee-Em-Vay model numbers made sense. 324d was 2.4L inline six, 524td was the same engine in the larger chassis with the turbo. A bit more powerful than a 2.5L mbz turbo, maybe 125-135hp. Much stronger than a 240d. Seems like the top end (valvetrain, head) is less reliable than mbz. I don't know what kind of injection pump it has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
And I ought not hold my breath waiting for one to show up at the PNP. There are 4 SDs there now. Think I'll pass on this. Thanks! cm Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren Faeth writes: Be prepared to pay through the nostrils for any parts needed. The good news is that IF the parts are available Rusty can get them. I'd bet that any parts for the engine would have to be shipped from Germany. Lincoln used the same engine in some of their diesels, perhaps that bodes a little better for parts availability -- though I'd wager that VERY few of those Lincolns are still on the road... Certainly parts will be harder to come by and/or more expensive than for your SD. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom Sweet! But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
It can actually be a lot of fun with the right vehicle - something fairly light in the back and with rear wheel drive. Steer with the accelerator. I remember driving all over the area where we live with my old 68 Chevy pickup having a blast. Neither my Suburban nor my Supercrew are as much fun as they are too heavy and big to really get going. I can slide the Supercrew but don't feel I have the control that I had with the old pickup. Supposed to snow here tomorrow but they have threatened significant snow several times and we have only had a dusting most times. We have lots of snow but it mostly came prior to Christmas. Randy -Original Message- R A Bennell wrote: Not so sure about that. Lots of slippery spots here too. Suspect we are just more accustomed to dealing with slippery. When my brother lived in Virginia, he was laughing at the inept drivers the first time it snowed. (and he was driving a Chevy LUV 2x4 with fat tires on it, so most of them had superior equipment) His girlfriend, a local, was aghast that he would find such a natural disaster amusing. To him, a couple inches of snow was a normal day in February, so it was funny to watch everybody else freak out. Mitch. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
So, are you advocating spreading oil over standing water as an alternative to DDT? That will really send the greenie weenies into a tizzy. oil slicks forever! At 10:59 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote: What's the worst thing facing mankind? Many people think it's overpopulation. Malaria helps control overpopulation in countries which are prone to overpopulation. Personally I don't have an opinion one way or another. Here is what Wiki says about DDT and a previously successful method of misquito control: . The World Health Organization (WHO) currently advises the use of DDT to combat malaria in endemic areas.[87] For instance, DDT-spraying the interior walls of living spaces, where mosquitoes land, is an effective control. The WHO also recommends a series of alternative insecticides (such as the pyrethroids permethrin and deltamethrin) to both combat malaria in areas where mosquitoes are DDT-resistant, and to slow the evolution of resistance. This public health use of small amounts of DDT is permitted under the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs), which prohibits the agricultural use of DDT for large-scale field spraying.[88] However, because of its legacy, many developed countries discourage DDT use even in small quantities.[89] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Before DDT, malaria was successfully eradicated or controlled also in several tropical areas by removing or poisoning the breeding grounds of the mosquitoes or the aquatic habitats of the larva stages, for example by filling or applying oil to places with standing water. These methods have seen little application in Africa for more than half a century.[108] Wiki also discusses research into other methods of misquito control and malaria treatment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#Other_methods - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens I'm optimistic that science will develop a better way to deal with malaria than the indiscriminate use of DDT. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am gonna step out on a limb here and say something sure to infuriate the greenie weenies. Before I start though, a little background: my grandpa had a buddy named Aldo Leopold. Aldo was a frequent visitor, and Grandpa and Grandma would trek up to Aldo's place regularly also. Grandpa implemented many environmental/conservation works and practices long before the rest of the country ever heard of conservation or environmentalism. The stewardship was drilled into my being long before the environmentalism or earth day came into being. Who is the mass killer with the highest body count Hitler? no Stalin? No Pol Pot? No Mao? no A kindly looking grandmother type has over 6 billion lives lost to her credit. These are lives lost to mosquito-borne illnesses. And the number will continue to go up unless we put a stop to junk science and insist on real science. the killer is Rachel Carson. A do-gooder gone awry. I have taken malaria medicine. After a week or so of that, I decided the cure was worse that the disease, and I stopped taking the malaria pills. I'd much rather have DDT available for specific uses by conscientious people. At 03:40 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote: Of course the same article says that DDT is not readily absorbed into the skin. But of course theres another side: http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html The truth probably lies someplace in the middle. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:23 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember reading something not long back that suggested stopping the use of DDT was one of the worst things that has happened to 3rd world countries. We were afraid of what it might do to people so we stopped producing it. However, what the mosquitos do in many tropical countries is a whole lot worse for most people that the effects of DDT ever might be. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
What's the worst thing facing mankind? Many people think it's overpopulation. Malaria helps control overpopulation in countries which are prone to overpopulation. Personally I don't have an opinion one way or another. Here is what Wiki says about DDT and a previously successful method of misquito control: . The World Health Organization (WHO) currently advises the use of DDT to combat malaria in endemic areas.[87] For instance, DDT-spraying the interior walls of living spaces, where mosquitoes land, is an effective control. The WHO also recommends a series of alternative insecticides (such as the pyrethroids permethrin and deltamethrin) to both combat malaria in areas where mosquitoes are DDT-resistant, and to slow the evolution of resistance. This public health use of small amounts of DDT is permitted under the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs), which prohibits the agricultural use of DDT for large-scale field spraying.[88] However, because of its legacy, many developed countries discourage DDT use even in small quantities.[89] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Before DDT, malaria was successfully eradicated or controlled also in several tropical areas by removing or poisoning the breeding grounds of the mosquitoes or the aquatic habitats of the larva stages, for example by filling or applying oil to places with standing water. These methods have seen little application in Africa for more than half a century.[108] Wiki also discusses research into other methods of misquito control and malaria treatment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#Other_methods - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens I'm optimistic that science will develop a better way to deal with malaria than the indiscriminate use of DDT. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am gonna step out on a limb here and say something sure to infuriate the greenie weenies. Before I start though, a little background: my grandpa had a buddy named Aldo Leopold. Aldo was a frequent visitor, and Grandpa and Grandma would trek up to Aldo's place regularly also. Grandpa implemented many environmental/conservation works and practices long before the rest of the country ever heard of conservation or environmentalism. The stewardship was drilled into my being long before the environmentalism or earth day came into being. Who is the mass killer with the highest body count Hitler? no Stalin? No Pol Pot? No Mao? no A kindly looking grandmother type has over 6 billion lives lost to her credit. These are lives lost to mosquito-borne illnesses. And the number will continue to go up unless we put a stop to junk science and insist on real science. the killer is Rachel Carson. A do-gooder gone awry. I have taken malaria medicine. After a week or so of that, I decided the cure was worse that the disease, and I stopped taking the malaria pills. I'd much rather have DDT available for specific uses by conscientious people. At 03:40 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote: Of course the same article says that DDT is not readily absorbed into the skin. But of course theres another side: http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html The truth probably lies someplace in the middle. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:23 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember reading something not long back that suggested stopping the use of DDT was one of the worst things that has happened to 3rd world countries. We were afraid of what it might do to people so we stopped producing it. However, what the mosquitos do in many tropical countries is a whole lot worse for most people that the effects of DDT ever might be. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. 1. the kids can't write or add, so i think there are better things to be doing than slandering 2. that story is about not about columbus, but someone else 3. it is complete slander. a made up story. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
Amerindian seems to be a good compromise in everyday conversation. People on European and other lists immediately know to whom one is referring. Gerry..Who probably has an untraceable smidgen of Amerindian blood. -- - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GM cars
There was a short segment on NPR the other day about a fellow out west somewhere who was turning the millionth mile (Note: They had the communications set up in his truck as he was traveling) on his Chevy Silverado. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
Gary Hurst wrote: one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. That would lead to a massive media attack if it happened near me. I'd tell everybody who would listen how ignorant the teaching staff was, and demand removal of the teacher, and if I didn't get it I'd be circulating recall petitions for the school board. Columbus didn't want to kill off the indians, he was the original proponent of using the islanders (cubans/haitians/etc) for slaves. Why didn't she tell the kiddies that? If the point was that europeans are evil creatures who destroyed the western hemisphere, it seems like the slavery and torture done under the Spanish flag would be far better than some phony disease story. IIRC, the smallpox story was from the post civil war era. What was that Jane Seymore show? Dr Dingbat? Oh, yes, Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman. They did an episode where the calvary distributed blankets from dead typhoid patients to the indians IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
R A Bennell wrote: Of course, we get that the first time it snows. People don't seem to be able to remember one year to the next that the white stuff tends to make things slippery. Yep, here in Michigan too. It isn't winter until I've seen a couple of passenger trucks upside down along the freeway. We have 7-8 months to forget what snow looks like. I can't believe your neighbors' memory lasts less than three months. ;-) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
yeah, seems the cavalry given out smallpox story is made up. like most stories like this, someone thought how horrible and decided to go out and thoroughly document the details of the case, only to discover there was no such case. a lot of research begins like this . the guinness book listed ed strangler lewis as the most successful wrestler of all time, having only lost 6 times in over 6,000 legitimate wrestling matches. everyone just accepts this as a fact. so some dude comes up with the idea that it would be cool to find those 6 matches. he finds hundreds. furthermore, he finds that almost none of the matches were legitimate. you have heard the expression on the ball? webb c ball had a jewelery shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval Observatory and displayed in the window. webb ball and those who came by his shop in cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the question of whether anybody knows what time it is. webb really liked precision timekeepers. he'd buy very good movements from very solid makers and hot rod them in the shop. you could go into ball's shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of the 19th century. and then ball and his crew could keep it running like that for you indefinitely. ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly. the average man in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the need for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and didn't need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season. so what was ball to do? he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible train crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at the ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again. as it says in wikipedia: In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railways at Kipton, Ohio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipton%2C_Ohio which occurred because an engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's watch had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their Chief Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable timepiece inspection system for Railroad chronometershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_chronometers . He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy, reliable precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of time keeping in 5 positions, isochronismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isochronismaction=edit, power reserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_reserve and dial arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the watch on each regular inspection the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king of them all. only thing is, though, there never was such a crash. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. That would lead to a massive media attack if it happened near me. I'd tell everybody who would listen how ignorant the teaching staff was, and demand removal of the teacher, and if I didn't get it I'd be circulating recall petitions for the school board. Columbus didn't want to kill off the indians, he was the original proponent of using the islanders (cubans/haitians/etc) for slaves. Why didn't she tell the kiddies that? If the point was that europeans are evil creatures who destroyed the western hemisphere, it seems like the slavery and torture done under the Spanish flag would be far better than some phony disease story. IIRC, the smallpox story was from the post civil war era. What was that Jane Seymore show? Dr Dingbat? Oh, yes, Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman. They did an episode where the calvary distributed blankets from dead typhoid patients to the indians IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D update
What kind of solvent do you use in the solvent tank? I saw a pretty good price on gallons of degreaser at one of the parts stores. Gerry '83 300D and 240D --- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cleaned all the (Nippondenso) compressor parts in the solvent tank. That was tedious, and cold! (I didn't plug in the tank heater, probably I should have.) Everything cleaned up well. I saw no scoring of the cylinders or pistons. The swash plate had marks where the piston glide buttons had sat, perhaps corrosion was setting up? It came off with a bit of worn 600-grit wet-and-dry sandpaper. That revealed that there was only one small score arc in one face of the swash plate, which I burnished down. I think it will be OK. Everything cleaned up pretty well, in fact. The thrust bearings roll smoothly. There was some black smudge on a lot of places such as the piston and valve faces, but it rubbed off. 'Black death'? Didn't seem too deadly to me, it could have just been decomposed oil residue. Looks to me like the compressor siezed up quickly enough that it didn't damage itself. The car's belt-saver circuit may have helped. At the moment I see no reason not to reassemble and use this compressor. I should have a new seal kit for it, but I don't. Next time! I'll reassemble the compressor body first before cleaning the exterior clutch parts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be prepared to pay through the nostrils for any parts needed. The good news is that IF the parts are available Rusty can get them. I'd bet that any parts for the engine would have to be shipped from Germany. Lincoln used the same engine in some of their diesels, perhaps that bodes a little better for parts availability -- though I'd wager that VERY few of those Lincolns are still on the road... Certainly parts will be harder to come by and/or more expensive than for your SD. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 SW down your pants
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Re: [MBZ] MBTex/leather interiors on eBay - reputable?
Not just DC. I remember seeing a news clip of snow in Dallas. Cars in the ditch everywhere. Of course, we get that the first time it snows. People don't seem to be able to remember one year to the next that the white stuff tends to make things slippery. And of course today, no one takes responsibility for anything. Accidents are caused by bad weather and not by stupid drivers. Randy -Original Message- Snow in DC is like a powerful solvent on the glue of society. Everything falls apart, runs into everything else, and gets slippery. --R Mitch Haley wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Not so sure about that. Lots of slippery spots here too. Suspect we are just more accustomed to dealing with slippery. When my brother lived in Virginia, he was laughing at the inept drivers the first time it snowed. (and he was driving a Chevy LUV 2x4 with fat tires on it, so most of them had superior equipment) His girlfriend, a local, was aghast that he would find such a natural disaster amusing. To him, a couple inches of snow was a normal day in February, so it was funny to watch everybody else freak out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a 1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88 that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D
my turbo has like 400k miles on it. changing the oil helps. they aren't life and death expensive if they do go. it's a silly concern. if you find a nice car at a nice price, buy it, without given consideration to whether it is turbo or not On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:09 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry about - things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)?One owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak spot- True? After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo - how much of a negative is that? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems
No problem on my system Glenn, although I noticed that some of my email contacts have disappeared...strange. On 2/15/08, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back into it: Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or firewall software, you may have to disable it. TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I'd love to hear more about your car Andrew. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great engineering then what is? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/15/08 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and
transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero
maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great
engineering then what is?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call
great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move
Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong
enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures
aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap
ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in
general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and
have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your
email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they
sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit
and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM
cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner
of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any
other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two
oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and
lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a
1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a
great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still
under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job
and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did
very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a
transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other
than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window
switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at
the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One
was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I
would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I
paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88
that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems
no problem receiving from the list, or personal mail, but very little is coming through from another list I subscribe to. I run firefox along with gmail, and I find it does a great job of catching and filtering out the spam and pop ups. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem on my system Glenn, although I noticed that some of my email contacts have disappeared...strange. On 2/15/08, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back into it: Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or firewall software, you may have to disable it. TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS MBTex/leather etc NOW weather
We might be bad but 3 months is pushing it. Normally (what's normal??) we are not too worried about snow from about April through October. Sometimes we get a bit of a taste earlier or later but those don't last. I have seen one Christmas day that was brown - not green as it had been cold but no snow until on Christmas day. Don't recall the year but not all that long ago - sometime within the last 10 to 15 years. Randy -Original Message- R A Bennell wrote: Of course, we get that the first time it snows. People don't seem to be able to remember one year to the next that the white stuff tends to make things slippery. Yep, here in Michigan too. It isn't winter until I've seen a couple of passenger trucks upside down along the freeway. We have 7-8 months to forget what snow looks like. I can't believe your neighbors' memory lasts less than three months. ;-) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hidden treasure
Providing it was a cap from a German wheat beer, it can be forgive. :-) I kept it so now I have to find it to check. RLE ** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry about - things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)? One owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak spot- True? The turbochargers are not typically problematic, no. Check for rust around the rockers, in the wheel wells, etc. After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo - how much of a negative is that? I wouldn't want one, personally. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
That SEL sure is a pretty car -- wish my SD had an L on it. Switch out the engine and Dieselize that SEL! Sounds fun! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens
It seems than at Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:52:02 -0600, Loren wrote: So, are you advocating spreading oil over standing water as an alternative to DDT? That will really send the greenie weenies into a tizzy. oil slicks forever! Yea. And and unlike DDT, the is evidence that oil causes thin egg shells. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Clearly, you never had any vacuum leaks or reduced compression to throw off your fuel metering. D-jet sucks to diagnose. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great engineering then what is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gmail problems
Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back into it: Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or firewall software, you may have to disable it. TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name! Imagine if they'd used his last? Somehow it just doesn't sound as nice to be called a North Vespucciansounds like we'd be extinct by now. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300D
Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry about - things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)?One owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak spot- True? After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo - how much of a negative is that? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) In the USA, all 300D have automatic transmissions. My personal opinion is I will put up with the automatic transmission only if I also have the boon of a turbo. I have owned 240 manuals and 300 turbos. I test drove a 300 non-turbo. It seem similar to my 240 manuals - keeping in mind that each car is different. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD? To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement...it is in-line, I imagine...slant 6? Turbo? Hrmm... this is only about an hour from my parent's house. If I was going down there this weekend I'd check it out (I'm about 3.5 hours from them). Probably a good thing as I really don't need any more cars! Looks to be in really good shape though! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... Mitch wrote: You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) *sigh* Too true. But I was talking about the _room_ lights, not the car headlights, having an ugly green tint - and they do. I'm not sure if the car is ivory or white 'cause the warped color spectrum from (I believe) florescent lights. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a little gift
Many years ago I worked with a guy who grew up in South Bend, Indiana. He worked at the Studebaker plant during the time when Studebaker was winding down, about to drop off the face of the Earth. He said that everyone knew they were going to get canned, but were upset because management continued to deny the company's impending demise on a daily basis. So what did they do? Well, according to him, the door panels became trash cans, and in some cases, receptacles for, shall we say, solid human waste. He said the last week of production was a crazy time, with all sorts of unimaginable things going into the last cars going down the line. Dan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back when I had my '89 190E 2.6, some thief knocked out a rear window to steal my radar detector (in my parking garage downtown) and when I removed the rear door panel to replace the glass, I found a doubled over beer bottle cap in the bottom of the door. There was so much dum-dum in there it never would have rattled, anyway. RLE ** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Aerial view test
Try this aerial test www.guessthespot.com I missed one. RLE ** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Did I mention
Here in Toronto I've got a Nissan Versa for a rental car. I haven't noticed any of the tinny feeling you all seem to dislike about small Japaneese cars. Don't get me wrong this is a VERY small car. However the doors shut with a reassuring thump. On the highway its not terrific but its got adequate power and the transmission is not very noticeable which is the best I can say for any auto trans (hate 'em). Overall if it had snowtires it'd be a pretty nifty little car. I did pass a Smart today in the parking lot, the Nissan is a giant compared to it... -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
I was admiring those headlights too and the molded in Star. Geez, I'd hate to catch a stone with one of those! Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems
Not seen that one yet but my amount of spam has risen from less than 1 per day to 4 or 5. Not happy about that. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Ugh, yeah... American cars from the '70s are hideous... The early 'vettes even into the '60s were works of art. When the hood became more than half the length they became an expression of American largess and serve only to horrify me. Might as well be some fruitcake in a 10 gallon hat eating bacon double cheese burgers out of double styrofoam packages and throwing the trash out the window while you crack open another can of tasteless budwiser... American trucks of the '70s, thats a different story, especially from GM. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:16:32 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars GM sucks - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lincoln used the same engine in some of their diesels, perhaps that bodes a little better for parts availability -- though I'd wager that VERY few of those Lincolns are still on the road... Au contraire, I imagine no fewer (proportionally) of those are still on the road than any other early-'80s American car. But very few of them were made. You think an '87 300D wagon is rare? There were only 500 or so Lincoln Mark VII turbodiesels made in '84 and '85. Some Continentals, too---not sure how many. Many parts are still available through Ford dealers, and the service manuals too---the engine sections are a lot more helpful, I'm told, for working on the 524td than the BMW manuals. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC (not a diesel) et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Did I mention OT Nissan
Anyone try one of the new Sentras? The commercial makes it look a lot like the Altima and Maxima. Have not seen one on the street yet that I recall. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:24 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Did I mention Here in Toronto I've got a Nissan Versa for a rental car. I haven't noticed any of the tinny feeling you all seem to dislike about small Japaneese cars. Don't get me wrong this is a VERY small car. However the doors shut with a reassuring thump. On the highway its not terrific but its got adequate power and the transmission is not very noticeable which is the best I can say for any auto trans (hate 'em). Overall if it had snowtires it'd be a pretty nifty little car. I did pass a Smart today in the parking lot, the Nissan is a giant compared to it... -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars AND Fords
There are Fords and then there are Fords. Some are much better than others. I have had more Fords than anything else and generally preferred them. However, we had one that almost made us give up on them. A 97 Mercury Sable was nothing but trouble. Little electrical issues mostly. Since then we have acquired 2 F150's and they have not had any real electrical issues. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] list folk in PDX SEA or Vancouver BC areas
It looks like I will arrive in Portland Sunday morning and have a little time. I will be driving from there in to WA Sun night. On Tues I drive up through Seattle and on to Vancouver BC. From Wed night until Friday noon, I may have some time while returning to Portland to fly home. If any of you in the area want to meet and greet or meet and eat, let me know. I won't be driving an MB, just a rentacar. Send me an email to lfaeth a t leadingchange . com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
Got to be careful with hot cars. Don't let your mother drive it. My younger son, Tom, has a friend with a black BMW 733 (or something like that - big 4 dr beast with a V8). Last weekend his mother took it out shopping. On the way home she wrecked it. Apparently, she pulled over to the side of the road to let an ambulance go by and when she pulled back onto the roadway, she nailed the gas a bit hard and shot accross both lanes and into the ditch on the other side of the road causing significant damage to the front end. Have not seen it so I don't know how bad it is but sad if they write it off as it was quite a nice older car. Randy -Original Message- YOW! Thats a hot car. I'd definately drive one of those. I get the feeling its going to go for real actual money though. Fueleconomy.gov says 21-28 mpg which is better than the same year 300D (19-23) which is IIRC a w123. -Curt http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement...it is in-line, I imagine...slant 6? Turbo? Are they any good? Commentsthoughts Chris - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a little gift
How could one distinguish that from the car? ---R LWB250 wrote: Well, according to him, the door panels became trash cans, and in some cases, receptacles for, shall we say, solid human waste. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?
YOW! Thats a hot car. I'd definately drive one of those. I get the feeling its going to go for real actual money though. Fueleconomy.gov says 21-28 mpg which is better than the same year 300D (19-23) which is IIRC a w123. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD? To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WBADB2400F0530833_W0QQitemZ280199878414QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280199878414 6 cylinder appeals to me - what is the total displacement...it is in-line, I imagine...slant 6? Turbo? Are they any good? Commentsthoughts Chris - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300D
LarryT wrote: owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak spot- True? If it was sold by MBUSA from 1982-1993, it left the factory with a turbocharger. A 1985 california car did have some weirdness about it, go to bimby and price an air filter. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I just love the silver-painted interiors found on some Firechickens and Vettes--classy! On Feb 15, 2008 2:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I was under the impression that even 'Vette enthusiasts saw the late-'70s early-'80s C3 cars as an embarrassment. Kind of like the post-muscle-car-era Firebirds with the big bird on the hood---emissions and fuel economy considerations made them all show and no go. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Early 70s 'Vettes, particularly the 74, were crap. I had a client who had a 74 that was the biggest POS car I ever worked on or drove. Dan --- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, yeah... American cars from the '70s are hideous... The early 'vettes even into the '60s were works of art. When the hood became more than half the length they became an expression of American largess and serve only to horrify me. Yeah, I was under the impression that even 'Vette enthusiasts saw the late-'70s early-'80s C3 cars as an embarrassment. Kind of like the post-muscle-car-era Firebirds with the big bird on the hood---emissions and fuel economy considerations made them all show and no go. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD
They're both W126's, so everything will line up. I have SEL seats in my SD right now. I want to find a later model SEL rear seat with headrests to put into my '83 'SD. How many miles are on your 'SD? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula PS. I would be interested in the door lock pump in the trunk spare tire well if it works ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 300D
Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry about - things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)?One owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak spot- True? After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo - how much of a negative is that? TIA - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
