Re: [MBZ] 500K
OK Don wrote: Possibly, but you usually see the intake and exhaust on opposite sides of the head with dual cams, ans these are on the same side. The M24 is plain old OHV. If you wanted overhead cams, you had to buy a Duesenberg. The normally aspirated J made 265hp from 6.8L and the supercharged version, SJ, was good for 320hp. But it lacked the drama queen antics of the Mercedes. And the MB engine puts out 157hp, not 137 as I miswrote earlier. Tom - what metal is the firewall made from? Sure looks like new - how did that happen? Do you have before pictures? It is aluminum, and looks pretty much like the original firewall on the '39 540K which is the next project. The original machining is slightly less uniform than that in the pictures. I've got some before pictures someplace. It was basically a derelict-in-boxes in 1996. The body was built from scratch; the frame and drivetrain are original. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
That's quite a website. Interesting that the most highly developed nations/areas have the highest alcohol consumption. I have an old government publication warning U.S. military personnel about the high alcohol content of German beers which have about twice that of U.S. beers. Taking that into consideration, you could say that German alcohol consumption is even higher. I wonder what the alcohol content of other European beer is? English? Danish? Norwegian? Swedish? etc.? U.S. is around 5% IIRC. Gerry - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is kind of fun. http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=240# Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL!!! I know about brandy snifters and German drinking mugs, but never heard of Wheat Beer glasses. Gotta ask a German friend on another list about that. Wonder who drinks the most beer per capita; Canadians or Aussies? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
Marshall would have suggested an Italian Tuneup, wouldn't he? Gerry -- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
It's smoking enough that it may not pass the opacity test in August. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? i wouldn't do anything but drive it On Feb 16, 2008 10:18 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
Vacuum pump is fine. Where is the crankcase breather/PCV located on my engine? At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I'm not sure I have ever checked it. Jeez. BobR '77 300D 190K Starting to be Old Smoky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? OK Don wrote: I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- I'd check out the vacuum pump and first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
we don't have the kind of stuff in georgia On Feb 17, 2008 9:45 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's smoking enough that it may not pass the opacity test in August. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? i wouldn't do anything but drive it On Feb 16, 2008 10:18 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
It gets mini ones daily getting on the freeway to drive to the old nuke plant. The entrance ramp and the first two miles of freeway is a nice upgrade and from the moment I turn onto the entrance ramp until I hit 80, it's floored. BobR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? Marshall would have suggested an Italian Tuneup, wouldn't he? Gerry -- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
Maybe it's time to upgrade to something with a turbo and keep this one for the backup/allow the kids to drive occasionally car. BobR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
I know. I wish we didn't here. It's just another way the state gets and additional $22 from me each year. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? we don't have the kind of stuff in georgia On Feb 17, 2008 9:45 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's smoking enough that it may not pass the opacity test in August. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? i wouldn't do anything but drive it On Feb 16, 2008 10:18 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- On Feb 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT....Steam trains
Hi Mitch, sorry about the picture. The train in picture behind the fence is one that is on display here, so hence the reason it's fenced off. It was also the best quality pic of the train I could find by doing a google for it. All the pics I have of the train, are the large format ones, as originally issued by the factory. I do have a couple of the train, or one of them, as it's rolling off the line in Montreal, with my Grandfather and a few others on the design team standing beside it. I don't have a scanner, but next time I'm over at a friends, I'll see if they can do anything with large picture. If I have any luck, I'll post them. Off hand, having stood beside up close to the train, I'd say the drive wheels are about 6' tall or so. It's a big hunk of a machine, and makes even W140 look kind of tiny. :-) Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E M wrote: Here is a pic of the train. http://www.flickr.com/photos/grantmac/413632532/sizes/o/ Rats. After the talk about drive wheels cylinders, I was hoping to see the wheels and connecting rods on the engines in question. Gerry's has people standing in front of it, and yours is sitting behind a fence. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT....Steam trains
E M wrote: Here is a pic of the train. http://www.flickr.com/photos/grantmac/413632532/sizes/o/ Rats. After the talk about drive wheels cylinders, I was hoping to see the wheels and connecting rods on the engines in question. Gerry's has people standing in front of it, and yours is sitting behind a fence. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light and multiyard question?
Except the US pint is 16 oz instead of 20 oz, probably so that tavern owners made more money selling pints back in the 1700s. Even the metric system isn't quite rational, being based on the distance between Paris and the North Pole. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
I find most English and Irish beer about 5%, German beers I drink are 5-8%, and some of the Dutch are 5-10%. Italian beer I've had was 5%, and my only comment will be, glad they make good wine. Haven't had any, but I'm told Indian beer will land you on your backside pretty fast. I think a lot of the US beer is 4%, but when brewed here under license, it's usually brewed to 5%. Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's quite a website. Interesting that the most highly developed nations/areas have the highest alcohol consumption. I have an old government publication warning U.S. military personnel about the high alcohol content of German beers which have about twice that of U.S. beers. Taking that into consideration, you could say that German alcohol consumption is even higher. I wonder what the alcohol content of other European beer is? English? Danish? Norwegian? Swedish? etc.? U.S. is around 5% IIRC. Gerry - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is kind of fun. http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=240# Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL!!! I know about brandy snifters and German drinking mugs, but never heard of Wheat Beer glasses. Gotta ask a German friend on another list about that. Wonder who drinks the most beer per capita; Canadians or Aussies? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light and multiyard question?
Don't forget that Al Gore introduced the legislation to establish ARPANET, which evolved into the internet we know. Jump back 30 years Whether or not Colosus (sp?) was the first digital computer or not I don't know, as IBM was also doing quite a bit ot work in that vein in the 30's. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT....Steam trains
We rode the VT (Virginia Truckee) last October while in Virginia City. We were really, really disappointed that they used a diesel yard engine to shuttle us down and back on the mile or two of active track they have open at this time. As a consolation we went to the railroad museum in Carson City, where a number of the old VT engines now reside. For train buffs, there is no better train museum than the one in Sacramento, CA. Especially if you go during one of the weekends when they have all the train enthusiasts visiting - especially the folks that do the G gauge live steam engines - those are really cool. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mitch, sorry about the picture. The train in picture behind the fence is one that is on display here, so hence the reason it's fenced off. It was also the best quality pic of the train I could find by doing a google for it. All the pics I have of the train, are the large format ones, as originally issued by the factory. I do have a couple of the train, or one of them, as it's rolling off the line in Montreal, with my Grandfather and a few others on the design team standing beside it. I don't have a scanner, but next time I'm over at a friends, I'll see if they can do anything with large picture. If I have any luck, I'll post them. Off hand, having stood beside up close to the train, I'd say the drive wheels are about 6' tall or so. It's a big hunk of a machine, and makes even W140 look kind of tiny. :-) Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT....Steam trains
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:45:50 -0500 E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a scanner, but next time I'm over at a friends, I'll see if they can do anything with large picture. Do you have a camera? Take a picture of the picture ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] early computers, was W124 lights
Peter Frederick wrote: Whether or not Colosus (sp?) was the first digital computer or not I don't know, as IBM was also doing quite a bit ot work in that vein in the 30's. I was taught in college 25 years ago that ENIAC was first. Here's what Wiki has to say about ENIAC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC ENIAC, short for Electronic Numerical Integrator And Computer,[1] was the first general-purpose electronic computer. Precisely, it was the first high-speed, purely electronic, Turing-complete, digital computer capable of being reprogrammed to solve a full range of computing problems,[2] since earlier machines had been built with some of these properties. ENIAC was designed and built to calculate artillery firing tables for the U.S. Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cars of the 70s - comparing gas GM to gas MercedesandVettes
The horsepower output and longevity of US iron in the 70s were pitiful, mostly due to total and complete inattention to engineering. Everyone was building for the swap cars every two years buyers (since they bought the most cars) and disposable was the new wave back then. Still is today, but people can't afford new cars like they did then. US designs ran to the cheap to make slobberying dinosaurs -- the designs were already ancient, and not very good to start with. GM put overhead valves in their V8 in 1957 (which is why the '57 Chevy is such a wonder car, instead of the better looking '56), and put, amazingly, shell type bearings in! Ford flatheads (up to the introduction of the OHV engine) had poured bearings. High output requires attention to intake and combustion flow design, reliable, non-flexible valve trains, properly designed exhaust systems, and rather expensive and esoteric fuel introduction, not a cast to fit the space exhaust manifold, a 1932 carb stuck on a pipe, and an oil filter consisting of a sintered bronze slug in the head. GM used the same carb from 1932 to 1972 on their sixes, only changed it in 73 because it would never pass the emissions requirement, had to run it way rich all the time to get the engine to run, we have one on the sawmill motor. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
And then put valve guide seals on it. May need valve guides, and if so, likely new valves from seat wear. Peter OK Don wrote: I'd try to find a known good engine, and swap it --- I'd check out the vacuum pump and crankcase breather/PCV first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
I have a beer in the fermenter, technically American since I'm an American, that's going to be in the 12% - 14% range. Should be an interesting brew. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ I find most English and Irish beer about 5%, German beers I drink are 5-8%, and some of the Dutch are 5-10%. Italian beer I've had was 5%, and my only comment will be, glad they make good wine. Haven't had any, but I'm told Indian beer will land you on your backside pretty fast. I think a lot of the US beer is 4%, but when brewed here under license, it's usually brewed to 5%. Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's quite a website. Interesting that the most highly developed nations/areas have the highest alcohol consumption. I have an old government publication warning U.S. military personnel about the high alcohol content of German beers which have about twice that of U.S. beers. Taking that into consideration, you could say that German alcohol consumption is even higher. I wonder what the alcohol content of other European beer is? English? Danish? Norwegian? Swedish? etc.? U.S. is around 5% IIRC. Gerry - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is kind of fun. http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=240# Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL!!! I know about brandy snifters and German drinking mugs, but never heard of Wheat Beer glasses. Gotta ask a German friend on another list about that. Wonder who drinks the most beer per capita; Canadians or Aussies? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cars of the 70s - comparing gas GM to gasMercedesandVettes
I disagree. I and most of my family (I come from a large family) drove a lot of 70s American made cars and I don't remember any of them going less than 150,000 miles. This includes my 1972 Olds 98, 1973 Olds Cutlass, my wife's 1972 Ford Torino (I hated that car but it went 300,000 miles +) and her 1978 Olds Cutlass. Other family members shared similar success with American cars. On the other hand, if you bought from a used car lot then you were in for real trouble. It was a very common practice through the 70s to sell used cars with rolled back speedometers and a nice 1974 Chevy with 50,000 miles probably had 70,000 miles or more on the clock. I used to stop by car lots where friends had traded and more often than not the odometer would be rolled back and how far the odometer was rolled back depended entirely on the condition of the interior! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cars of the 70s - comparing gas GM to gasMercedesandVettes The horsepower output and longevity of US iron in the 70s were pitiful, mostly due to total and complete inattention to engineering. Everyone was building for the swap cars every two years buyers (since they bought the most cars) and disposable was the new wave back then. Still is today, but people can't afford new cars like they did then. US designs ran to the cheap to make slobberying dinosaurs -- the designs were already ancient, and not very good to start with. GM put overhead valves in their V8 in 1957 (which is why the '57 Chevy is such a wonder car, instead of the better looking '56), and put, amazingly, shell type bearings in! Ford flatheads (up to the introduction of the OHV engine) had poured bearings. High output requires attention to intake and combustion flow design, reliable, non-flexible valve trains, properly designed exhaust systems, and rather expensive and esoteric fuel introduction, not a cast to fit the space exhaust manifold, a 1932 carb stuck on a pipe, and an oil filter consisting of a sintered bronze slug in the head. GM used the same carb from 1932 to 1972 on their sixes, only changed it in 73 because it would never pass the emissions requirement, had to run it way rich all the time to get the engine to run, we have one on the sawmill motor. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
No jars needed, I have a kegerator (photo attached). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US thang. The inventor of the computer is generally agreed to be Alan Turing, a Brit, who was the one who led the team that broke the Enigma code in WWII. Still worth drinking a beer over... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanyo_Inside.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24697 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080217/31631aed/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken wagonry
My wife's taking a road trip today. So I prepped the car. Changed the oil, first time in (OMFG) 17kmi! Last record I have is sometime in '02, though the ATF and filter has been changed twice in that time. Somehow this one got away from me, imagine that. It came out kind of sludgy, even though warmed by a long idle. Delo may be good oil, but it's not _that_ good! I didn't even get to change the filter, turns out I don't have one. Boxes of 60x filters, no 61x filters at all. I think I bought one, and that's what I used in '02. Next time. I'll do a short service for this batch, call it a sludge-removal stage, then change both oil and filter. Stupid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
Bob, In AZ, the limit for passenger diesels is 20% Opacity. That's a lot of smoke. And a little secret Plan on taking it for the emissions test when the wind is blowing! Back when I had the '80 300SD, the worst it blew was 4% and when it was windy, it went down to 1%.. And before you go in, run it hard and keep it hot.. Take care, Chuck PS. We'll get to that lunch w/Jim F one of these days C. On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote: I know. I wish we didn't here. It's just another way the state gets and additional $22 from me each year. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US thang. The inventor of the computer is generally agreed to be Alan Turing, a Brit, who was the one who led the team that broke the Enigma code in WWII. Still worth drinking a beer over... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US thang. The inventor of the computer is generally agreed to be Alan Turing, a Brit, who was the one who led the team that broke the Enigma code in WWII. Still worth drinking a beer over... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken wagonry
Sludge is more often a sign of short run driving and your wife's driving style indicates this. 17K / 6 years = only 2800 miles / year. With these few miles, you should be changing oil twice a year. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Chicken wagonry My wife's taking a road trip today. So I prepped the car. Changed the oil, first time in (OMFG) 17kmi! Last record I have is sometime in '02, though the ATF and filter has been changed twice in that time. Somehow this one got away from me, imagine that. It came out kind of sludgy, even though warmed by a long idle. Delo may be good oil, but it's not _that_ good! I didn't even get to change the filter, turns out I don't have one. Boxes of 60x filters, no 61x filters at all. I think I bought one, and that's what I used in '02. Next time. I'll do a short service for this batch, call it a sludge-removal stage, then change both oil and filter. Stupid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT....Steam trains
For those of you on the East Coast... When you want to air out your Benz for a ride (in the spring, of course), check out the Baltimore Ohio Railroad Museum in Baltimore. Lots of years since I was there, so my experience is anecdotal. http://www.borail.org/ for more infomation Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
Sounds like the Vienna I started a couple weeks ago -- full decoction mash, lower volume that I intended ( 5 rather than my standard 6), so the initial gravity is 1.058. I made a DoppleBock for Big Brew Day last year that took for bleeding ever, but turned out wonderful. Initial gravity was 1.080, I think, took months to ferment out. What are you using for hops -- I bought a year's supply in the fall, before the Hop Crisis, so I'm OK for now, but our local microbrewer (also a club member) is reduced to using Argentinian Cascade. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
Peter typed: Sounds like the Vienna I started a couple weeks ago -- full decoction mash, lower volume that I intended ( 5 rather than my standard 6), so the initial gravity is 1.058. I made a DoppleBock for Big Brew Day last year that took for bleeding ever, but turned out wonderful. Initial gravity was 1.080, I think, took months to ferment out. What are you using for hops -- I bought a year's supply in the fall, before the Hop Crisis, so I'm OK for now, but our local microbrewer (also a club member) is reduced to using Argentinean Cascade. Since I can't drink anymore I wonder if I'm still allowed to read posts like that? BobR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
Is the temp sender in the engine compartment (where the wire connects to) or elsewhere? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing? Very likely a bad temperature sender. Replace it, and have someone do the usual thermo wax test on the thermostat housing to verify. It's possible, although unlikely, that the thermostat housing is leaking past the thermostat, but I think you would notice that. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
Very likely a bad temperature sender. Replace it, and have someone do the usual thermo wax test on the thermostat housing to verify. It's possible, although unlikely, that the thermostat housing is leaking past the thermostat, but I think you would notice that. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
We'll do lunch some Monday, Chuck. That's not a bowling day is it Jim? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing? Bob, In AZ, the limit for passenger diesels is 20% Opacity. That's a lot of smoke. And a little secret Plan on taking it for the emissions test when the wind is blowing! Back when I had the '80 300SD, the worst it blew was 4% and when it was windy, it went down to 1%.. And before you go in, run it hard and keep it hot.. Take care, Chuck PS. We'll get to that lunch w/Jim F one of these days C. On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote: I know. I wish we didn't here. It's just another way the state gets and additional $22 from me each year. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] early computers, was W124 lights
Thus killing the use of hand calculations for any such purposes. I've tried endlessly to get people at work to quit using a calculator instead of direct electronic data entry and transcription, but I guess they are two or three generations past the end of that discussion As I remember the story, there was a huge dustup about the accuracy of the machine a the time, with the Luddites holding out that test calculations weren't enough for accuracy, the tables for the Iowa Class battleship guns needed to be had done to verify the machine. Naturally, the ships were in service when the Luddites gave up, calculations still undone. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
Good idea, Chuck. Speaking of keeping it hot, I've been through three t-stats (two from Rusty I think) and with all of them the hottest it ever gets is just to the tic mark above the 110 degrees F. There was one time, when after removing the top hose to put Tom's AC clutch on, I neglected to top off the radiator it ran at 175 degrees F but when I looked in the radiator I could see no level. What's going on here? This car has always run cold. Bob R '77 300D 190K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing? Bob, In AZ, the limit for passenger diesels is 20% Opacity. That's a lot of smoke. And a little secret Plan on taking it for the emissions test when the wind is blowing! Back when I had the '80 300SD, the worst it blew was 4% and when it was windy, it went down to 1%.. And before you go in, run it hard and keep it hot.. Take care, Chuck PS. We'll get to that lunch w/Jim F one of these days C. On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote: I know. I wish we didn't here. It's just another way the state gets and additional $22 from me each year. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken wagonry
Yep, 12 miles should have been enough for a complete warm-up. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/17/08 1:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken wagonry Sludge is more often a sign of short run driving and your wife's driving style indicates this. 17K / 6 years = only 2800 miles / year. With these few miles, you should be changing oil twice a year. This car is the spare car, and wasn't driven much at all until last year when I took the SDL down for servicing. (Which still hasn't started yet.) The very shortest 'cold' run she will do is at least 12 miles, that being how far it is to town. I still think there was room in there for another change or two! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] aerial views
I'm a big fan of Sleeman's and Okanogan Springs Brewery varieties (Canada), as well as Asahi, which if purchased in Canada is imported from the brewery in Kyushu, Japan, but if purchased in US is brewed in Canada. Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light and multiyard question?
On 17/02/2008, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except the US pint is 16 oz instead of 20 oz, probably so that tavern owners made more money selling pints back in the 1700s. Even the metric system isn't quite rational, being based on the distance between Paris and the North Pole. Peter Where did you get that info on the metre and the North Pole? It was originally derived from the properties of natural objects, namely the circumference of the Earth and water. It was decided to measure the meridian from Barcelona to Dunkirk which was the longest segment almost fully over land within French territory. A prototype metre was then developed and used until the 60's when it was changed to a certain number of wavelengths of a particular frequency of light emitted by a certain element. Since 1983 the metre has been defined as the distance light travels in a given fraction of a second in a vacuum. It's much better than that gibberish of a system they tried to teach us in school. I never could grasp the Imperial system as it was too nonsensical to me, much like old British coinage! Still can't quite grasp that old money! What a silly system. Remember as well that the US was the first country to use a rationalised, decimal based currency system...how ironic that they're one of only three holdouts against the metric system..the other two being Liberia and Myanmar. (Burma) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken wagonry
Sludge is more often a sign of short run driving and your wife's driving style indicates this. 17K / 6 years = only 2800 miles / year. With these few miles, you should be changing oil twice a year. This car is the spare car, and wasn't driven much at all until last year when I took the SDL down for servicing. (Which still hasn't started yet.) The very shortest 'cold' run she will do is at least 12 miles, that being how far it is to town. I still think there was room in there for another change or two! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
Wow, perfect, we're on our way over!! ;-) Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No jars needed, I have a kegerator (photo attached). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US thang. The inventor of the computer is generally agreed to be Alan Turing, a Brit, who was the one who led the team that broke the Enigma code in WWII. Still worth drinking a beer over... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanyo_Inside.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24697 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080217/31631aed/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
Long drive.. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/17/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... Wow, perfect, we're on our way over!! ;-) Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No jars needed, I have a kegerator (photo attached). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US thang. The inventor of the computer is generally agreed to be Alan Turing, a Brit, who was the one who led the team that broke the Enigma code in WWII. Still worth drinking a beer over... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanyo_Inside.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24697 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080217 /31631aed/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
It has a glass face. You set it by taking off the face and lifting a lever under the rim. It is one with gold plating, worn off a bit around the bottom. I doubt if it is valuable, but as it was a gift my wife/father-in-law gave me when we got married I don't think it would ever be as valuable to anyone else as it is to me. My old pre-antimagnetic mainspring Rolex is another story... it is supposed to be worth a few thousand, but doubt if I'll get around to spending the $$ to get it fixed as it should be [about $350]. The watch guy who looked at it for me offered me $1800 for it 'as is'. Maybe next time my Benz needs something major... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc That one might be worth a lot; old as it is. Does it have a glass face or do you open it? Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got an 1892 Waltham that was used on the RR. Someone left it with my father in law's father [a RR conductor] as a pledge for a loan around 1900, and I am told it kept time within 1 minute a year for 50 years. It runs now when I wind it, but that is not too often. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would car ry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacketsnip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT now beer. aerial views not like OZ
Since I can't drink anymore I wonder if I'm still allowed to read posts like that? BobR Yeah. I don't drink any more and I read 'em. Just don't get too thirsty... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light and multiyard question?
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:20:58 -0500 Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you get that info on the metre and the North Pole? It was originally derived from the properties of natural objects, namely the circumference of the Earth and water. http://www.sizes.com/units/meter.htm By the end of 1790 the [French] Academy had placed the matter in the hands of as illustrious a scientific commission as has ever existed: Lagrange, Laplace, Borda, Monge, and Condorcet. In their report to the Academy on March 19, 1791, the commission recommended scrapping the seconds pendulum. Instead, they suggested the new unit of length be one ten-millionth of the distance at sea level from the pole to the equator. Obviously it would be impossible to survey the distance between the North Pole and the equator, the whole 90°. No one had ever been to the North Pole. But if one could measure a significant piece of a meridian, the rest could be calculated. The two ends of the line to be measured had to be at sea level, and somewhere near the middle of the pole-to-equator quadrant. As it happens, there is only one such meridian on earth: from Dunkirk to Barcelona, which covers about a tenth of the distance from the pole to the equator. The distance lies almost entirely in France, which did not escape the French, nor indeed such impartial observers as Thomas Jefferson. The article follows with much history about the endeavor during the French revolution. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computers...
On Feb 17, 2008 3:12 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long drive.. Tom www.kegkits.com How long? EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. Just my $0.02 Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sister-in-law is looking to get a used wagon of some sort, and is considering a mercedes. Her existing car is, according to the family mechanic, on its last legs. I told her that the 300TE, in non-AWD trim, might fit her needs. (Though she has no objection to diesel, the supply of 300TD's is somewhat less.) Does anybody know of something reasonable for her to look at in the Seattle-Portland corridor? She spotted three 91 AWD's in Tacoma at around the $5k mark, but I told her to avoid the AWD unless it was something she needed. (She doesn't.) Anything I've missed? I told her not to worry about things like bad HVAC or cruise, rather just the body, paint, and drivetrain condition. She'd sheepskin the seats, so upholstery condition needn't be great. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300TE
My sister-in-law is looking to get a used wagon of some sort, and is considering a mercedes. Her existing car is, according to the family mechanic, on its last legs. I told her that the 300TE, in non-AWD trim, might fit her needs. (Though she has no objection to diesel, the supply of 300TD's is somewhat less.) Does anybody know of something reasonable for her to look at in the Seattle-Portland corridor? She spotted three 91 AWD's in Tacoma at around the $5k mark, but I told her to avoid the AWD unless it was something she needed. (She doesn't.) Anything I've missed? I told her not to worry about things like bad HVAC or cruise, rather just the body, paint, and drivetrain condition. She'd sheepskin the seats, so upholstery condition needn't be great. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Does the superpoo come with 7 seats? What about in a bad accident? Don't worry too much about those wonky safety ratings but look at real world crashes. The later E280T's are better on fuel but more complicated in the injection department and if they have a 5 speed auto then it may get expensive. Anyway it is a matter of test driving a few wagons in the price range and seeing what is what. Never drove a superroo so can't comment but I should imagine that it would be like most Japanese cars, reliably boring and just not a drivers car. Hendrik LWB250 wrote: Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. Just my $0.02 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
LWB250 wrote: Subaru Forester or similar. I thought he said she DIDN'T need AWD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
Or by cranking the engine so each cylinder is at TDC when you work on it's valves. Valve stem seals are very sensitive and a pain-staking process, don't ask me how I know Luther On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:50:49 -0600, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob, An engine that smokes after a short idle is an indication the Valve Stem Seals are bad. There are ways to change them by pressurizing the cylinder and avoiding removal of the head. At least thats the way it is done on gassers and I see no reason why a diesel couldn't be done the same way. Anyway, that is Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing?
Hi Bob, An engine that smokes after a short idle is an indication the Valve Stem Seals are bad. There are ways to change them by pressurizing the cylinder and avoiding removal of the head. At least thats the way it is done on gassers and I see no reason why a diesel couldn't be done the same way. Anyway, that is Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] What Should I Start Amassing? I'm at 190K miles. Oil usage is consistently at 1 qt per 650 miles or so. It's burning, not dripping or getting into the air cleaner housing. Smokes more now on acceleration and at idle. Suppose it's time to address it. What do you think I'll have to do? What should I start buying now from Rusty? Who has a good step by step guide they can send me? I think I'll have to get a third car first.. Whaddya think. Bob R '77 300D 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. She knows that I have no particularly valid opinion on non-MB's, so I'll leave that up to her. She was a consulate brat, so German cars are something she thinks fondly of, and was considering the possibility. If the 124 gasser wagon is something to particularly avoid that'd be nice to know. I just figured it was like the elusive but desirable 300TD, but gas. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
E M wrote: Before starting it, hope you filled it with Mobil 1 and changed all the fuses/ ;-) Naw, diesel-rated Delvac 1300 from evil Wal-Mart. I'm just going to change it in a couple of miles anyway. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
I guess my point is that any 124 wagon is going to be fairly old by today's standards, meaning it's going to need regular care or potential work to keep it running and reliable. I don't recommend older cars that require upkeep (like ours) to someone who simply wants reliable transportation, which is an assumption I have made - correct me if I'm wrong. Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. She knows that I have no particularly valid opinion on non-MB's, so I'll leave that up to her. She was a consulate brat, so German cars are something she thinks fondly of, and was considering the possibility. If the 124 gasser wagon is something to particularly avoid that'd be nice to know. I just figured it was like the elusive but desirable 300TD, but gas. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
unless the car is some kind of clapped out basket case, you are just generally wrong. On Feb 17, 2008 9:21 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my point is that any 124 wagon is going to be fairly old by today's standards, meaning it's going to need regular care or potential work to keep it running and reliable. I don't recommend older cars that require upkeep (like ours) to someone who simply wants reliable transportation, which is an assumption I have made - correct me if I'm wrong. Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. She knows that I have no particularly valid opinion on non-MB's, so I'll leave that up to her. She was a consulate brat, so German cars are something she thinks fondly of, and was considering the possibility. If the 124 gasser wagon is something to particularly avoid that'd be nice to know. I just figured it was like the elusive but desirable 300TD, but gas. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing?
Bob, I would start amassing quantities of good, but cheap oil.? (Checker is having a sale tomorow on Pennzoil @99cents/qt, after rebate.? Next oil change, I would switch?to a 20W-50 oil as long as it starts easily.? When you get down to using a quart every 250 miles, it will still pass smog, but it probably won't start so easy.? When my 240D was on it's deathbed, I kept a 2 1/2 gallon bulk oil container in the trunk.? fill the tank with diesel every 400 miles, and dump in an estimated 2 quarts of oil!? I knew it was done for when I had to glow the sucker when it was hot, even!? But it still passed smog!? I don't recall if the wind was blowing, tho. Marshall would say? as long as the diesel starts easily and reliably, you have?NO problem!? Oil is cheap.? Mondays are good--I am ready.? Jim in Phoenix We'll do lunch some Monday, Chuck. That's not a bowling day is it Jim? -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 9:58 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing? We'll do lunch some Monday, Chuck. That's not a bowling day is it Jim? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NOW Opacity Test What Should I Start Amassing? Bob, In AZ, the limit for passenger diesels is 20% Opacity. That's a lot of smoke. And a little secret Plan on taking it for the emissions test when the wind is blowing! Back when I had the '80 300SD, the worst it blew was 4% and when it was windy, it went down to 1%.. And before you go in, run it hard and keep it hot.. Take care, Chuck PS. We'll get to that lunch w/Jim F one of these days C. On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote: I know. I wish we didn't here. It's just another way the state gets and additional $22 from me each year. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Fmiser wrote: To bad YouTube clobbers the video and audio quality... I'd sure be interested in a good audio recording - especially including the kompressor! Your in the St. Louis area, right? Might be able to work something out. The original video is here: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/engine.mov Warning: 46MB file. It is better but you still don't get the full effect. I am in St Louis. The car is going back on display soon, but if you're going to be in the area, let me know and I can give you a private showing. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
I guess my point is that any 124 wagon is going to be fairly old by today's standards, meaning it's going to need regular care or potential work to keep it running and reliable. I think that if you get a good one it's not too bad. While cars are largely A-to-B adapters to her I don't think a 124 wagon is necessarily a bad choice, so long as she stays away from the early 4-matic ones. Their budget precludes new(-ish). -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D status
I reassembled the AC compressor. That was tedious. I used M1 as an assembly lube, and just started the pistons into their bores one at a time. All five have to be on the swash plate before you begin, however. That's a bit fun, clutching a handful of pistons around a swash plate while you guide things into their bores. Oh, and don't lose any bearing pieces or let the glide buttons on the pistons slip out of place. Took more than a few tries. The worst part is that the pistons wanted to bind rather than slip into place, tolerances are very tight. The front and back body halves are nearly identical, but not quite. I eventually figured out which was which by sticking them together and seeing how the thing mounted to the adapter plate on the car. It'll only go on one way, which identified the front body half. I re-used all the seals, bad me. Honestly I don't know if this compressor is going to be any good at all, so I was unwilling to spend money on it just to have it blow up soon. I can deal with slow leaks, the test refrigerant I use is inexpensive. If warranted, I'll consider re-sealing it later. All back together it looks pretty good, nice and clean. The clutch bearing is very good, and the clutch engaged when I put a battery charger on it. The compressor turns over easily now, no more siezure. Next up will be installing it in the car. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
I don't know about the wagon, but my 300E sedan has lots of miles, and is doing well. As far as cost to run, I'm not sure it's a lot more than similar cars with a diesel engine. The bottom ends seem to last a long time, and it seems many guys are rebuilding their heads with mileage, whether a diesel or gasser. I think if you find a good one, they're pretty cheap motoring. Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. She knows that I have no particularly valid opinion on non-MB's, so I'll leave that up to her. She was a consulate brat, so German cars are something she thinks fondly of, and was considering the possibility. If the 124 gasser wagon is something to particularly avoid that'd be nice to know. I just figured it was like the elusive but desirable 300TD, but gas. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Jim, Is this the Nippondenso compressor? If it is, make sure you check the clearance at the thrust washer is correct. Don't forget to actually use the thrust washer. We found out the hard way at Toyota about that seemingly minor point. If you don't ensure all is correct, it will burn put the clutch quite quickly. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Do they have the same SLS system as the Diesels? I've been toying with the possibility of a 300TE at some point since the 300SD doesn't seat enough people and still accommodate the doggie. Of course, I would like to stay with the Diesel wagon, and the 'SD isn't going anywhere anytime soon since Wifey likes it too. The wagon would be the car of choice when everyone comes along. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Well, I have a 124 wagon, and as an alternative, I've opted for a mid-'90's Audi wagon (100CSQ) as my wintertime go-to wheels. The car possesses most of the good stuff I like about the 124 and some new things found on more modern vehicles...as well as a killer AWD system that actually works flawlessly. I think a '94 - '95 E320 wagon would be a very fine vehicle, assuming it's been well taken care of over the years. They can generally be had for between $3500 and $6500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a Diesel 'Mog!
No interest, affiliation, etc. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/577473636.html Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
Currently owning a 92 300TDt and having owned a 89 300TE I can say I'm bias. Fine cars, with mb-tex you don't need those sheepskin covers, it's indestructible. An E320 wagon is hot stuff, very fast, good milage, work horse, my wife has filled them with dirt, 700 lb of lumber, oh endless list of crimes... Likely you can find one with all the maintenance done. As for the 4matic ones, I understand once the previous owner has suffered thru the 7 odd revisions to the transfer case they are acceptable. In looking check with the dealer to ensure you've the last revision, otherwise you'll be out $$$ for a new one someday soon. If you want something very modern a C class wagon 2003ish era is very nice, real rocket. Ensure of course the owner has had all the 2000 era mercedes issues fixed. On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: Well, I have a 124 wagon, and as an alternative. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 216k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 206k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Electile Dysfunction
I think it is, at least this year, occurring most often with Republican's... age may be a contributing factor. You could check with Bob Dole. Alan 85 Turbo 300 Luther wrote: Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Fmiser wrote: To bad YouTube clobbers the video and audio quality... I'd sure be interested in a good audio recording - especially including the kompressor! Your in the St. Louis area, right? Might be able to work something out. The original video is here: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/engine.mov Warning: 46MB file. It is better but you still don't get the full effect. Thanks for the warning! I'll wait to get it when I'm able to borrow broadband. *smile* I am in St Louis. The car is going back on display soon, but if you're going to be in the area, let me know and I can give you a private showing. Tom I get to St. Louis rather frequently. What part of the Greater St. Louis area are you? Or the car? I generally carry a couple high-grade microphones, a USB audio interface, and a laptop, so a quality audio recording should be easy. Does the car ever get to go further than the garage door? I'm thinking sunny day, somewhere other than a parking lot, a good video camera -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
** traveling and unable to send from usual RR account while using other ISP. ** We love our Outback. It's small, but so are we. Very easy to drive, and very good ride. Firly quiet, average mileage, but limited cargo vs our old Sable. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE Subaru Forester or similar. If you're talking a 300TE she's going to be dealing with upkeep and maintenance issues on a regular basis, unless the car is near perfect. Just my $0.02 Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sister-in-law is looking to get a used wagon of some sort, and is considering a mercedes. Her existing car is, according to the family mechanic, on its last legs. I told her that the 300TE, in non-AWD trim, might fit her needs. (Though she has no objection to diesel, the supply of 300TD's is somewhat less.) Does anybody know of something reasonable for her to look at in the Seattle-Portland corridor? She spotted three 91 AWD's in Tacoma at around the $5k mark, but I told her to avoid the AWD unless it was something she needed. (She doesn't.) Anything I've missed? I told her not to worry about things like bad HVAC or cruise, rather just the body, paint, and drivetrain condition. She'd sheepskin the seats, so upholstery condition needn't be great. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TE
On Feb 17, 2008 4:20 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never drove a superroo so can't comment but I should imagine that it would be like most Japanese cars, reliably boring and just not a drivers car. I'm with you on most Japanese cars, but the recent Subarus I've driven have been exceptions to the rule, with a lot of character. My girlfriend's mom has an '06 or '07 Legacy with the same turbo engine as the WRX---that car is a blast to drive though rather rough riding due to the optional 18 or some such ridiculously oversized rims she was talked into getting. If I had one of those cars (actually, if I had ANY new car) I would immediately swap the huge wheels and low-profile tires they all seem to come with now for something with a sidewall appreciably thicker than my thumb. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1988 190-E - Questions please.
There's a 1988 190-E for sale locally. Description is clean but don't have all the particulars except mileage is 180K, automatic. I'm not familiar with the gassers. Trying to help my boss find an economical car for his son. Anyone wanna give me advice about this model? What to look fo/out for? What to expect? Typical economy and routine costs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
