Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
I am not picking or choosing who goes or stays. There are too many folks around and sooner or later there will be a rebalancing. I suspect it will be really messy and will take a very long time to crawl back out of. Sad to see all the accumulated knowledge going missing again, as it did when Rome fell and Alexandria was sacked for the last time. clay On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Clay, You have an unstated premise in your arguments: That the purpose of human life is to contribute to economic prosperity, and the value of each persons life is proportional to their relative contribution. This is an inherently flawed way of looking at it, because economic systems are tools developed by people to improve their lives, not the other way around. An economic system has no value unless it's providing a benefit to humans, but humans still can have intrinsic value without providing a benefit to economic systems. This type of thinking is what leads to justification of gross injustice (see the Summers memo at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_Memo) . Nevertheless, it's clear that our planet is far above it's sustainable carrying capacity, at least with the levels of resource consumption people currently have (see http://jclahr.com/bartlett/). That still doesn't give you a right to play god by using your own value system to decide who lives or dies. I highly suggest reading the writings of Professor Albert A. Bartlett (see previous url) for some insight into the causes and solutions to the overpopulation problem that don't involve you becoming king of the world and executing people based on their relative economic contributions. Also, these people that you say aren't keep[ing] the economy chugging along and should be let go are also likely consuming much less resources, and contributing less to both global warming and over- consumption of resources than those who are. By your own logic (which I want to be clear that I disagree with) you are choosing the wrong group of people to let go. There is a single proven sustainable way to live on our planet: the way that indigenous peoples have been living around the world for thousands of years. I am guessing that the people that you say are smart, well fed, well resourced people are living the least like the indigenous peoples, and are contributing the most to the problem. If I've misunderstood what you're saying please let me know, but it comes across as self-contradictory the way I'm reading it. Sincerely, Tyler On Aug 19, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Redghost wrote: come on Luther! There are 6.x BILLION humans around. How many of the 300 million Americans are actually holding down a job that serves to make the nation better or even keeps the economy chugging along? I am thinking there are a few million folks on the mainland that could be let go and we would not even feel a hiccough in the national fabric. Could have a huge rebound effect on the amount of funds needed to support them that is now available for roads, schools, infrastructure upgrades or defense. Could pay teachers and nurses a decent wage for the work they do to strengthen our kids and health care. Just think, SMART and HEALTHY citizens! What of the drain all the underproductive people worldwide are having? Can these african nations truly support millions of starving people? Can the Amazon support all the folks going in to clear, burn, and leave sterile after a few years? Can the world support that kind of abuse and not have a very bad reaction down the road? All this whining about global climate change is not going to quiet down until there are fewer humans suckling at the drying out teat. When business and such goes bad in your town, most folks just pick up and move on to where there are resources to support them. Where is that place now? Not China. Not India, Not Africa. Not even Latin America. You plan on heading north to Canada when the heat gets unbearable? I am sure a couple hundred million other citizens are looking at that too. Sadly the land there will not support such an influx of refugees. This planet does not even support the current population and we continue to spew more people out. The rich will continue to prosper and the poor will breed themselves into horrors we have not seen on a global scale. Soon enough there will not be enough smart, well fed, well resourced people left to keep the global economy in motion. Then there will be a massive collapse and what you feel is moral will be about as important as the dust in a holed bucket. I really like the way my life is going and do not wish any of the horrors I have seen afflict my fellow man. I am realistic enough to acknowledge that what I want is really insignificant in the grand scope of the universe. At any given time there is just so much to go around. When it is gone, it is gone and you have to pass GO to
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
No society is truly sustainable for any great length of time. Stuff happens, people and cultures rise and fall. Big winds or waters sweep the land and mess with life. Most of the indigenous peoples have figured out a manner to survive these catastrophes as a whole, but still the Maya, Anasazi, egyptians, zulu, ad infinitum are gone as dominant cultures clay On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Tyler Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does that clarify what I mean by sustainable, what exactly is being sustained, and why? Not really, because if the primitive indigenous lifestyle is sustainable, then why do so few of these societies still exist? It seems that they are by their absence NOT sustainable Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
I think we should look are moving a bit of genetic material away from this little rock and seeding a few other rocks. Just in case and all that. clay On Aug 20, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Tyler Backman wrote: I don't think he meant that the planet could stop existing, but rather that we could stop existing if we don't live sustainably. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Allan Streib wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The planet, obviously. Of course, in the ideal Fairtax world we can all strive to earn and KEEP enough $$s to afford our own personal planet. News flash, the planet is not going anywhere no matter what we do. And if it is, we can't stop it. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
I have no ability to get anywhere near full boot up. It shuts down within seconds of restart. was an upgrade install. I should have removed old drive, install new formatted drive and clean install, but am idiot and did not. I think it is failing to get to optimization part at all. Would love to boot into firewire target mode and kill some files to make room. Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. clay On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Most likely the installation is flaky, that's the usual cause. Are you installing over your old system or on a clean partition? I've had trouble with upgrades, and since I have the room, I usually install on a freshly formated partition these days, especially when going from one version to another. You will get the option to copy over all your settings, including users, the name of the computer, etc. This is much better than overwriting an existing system. Also, 25G is too small for installation, even though only 12 G is required. Not enough space will result in very long optimizations, and sometimes a bad install. Try booting off the installation disks and aborting the installation. Open up Disk Utilities and check the hard drive partition you are attempting to install on. Repair disk permissions and repair the disk -- sometimes the permissions get screwed up and it won't start, but will once you fix them. If you don't get the option to repair permissions, you will have to re-install as you don't have a functional OS in place. If it were me (and I didn't have data on that partition I needed), I'd erase it and try again. Better to use a new bigger partition, but if you don't have it you don't have it. Might be a good idea to reset PRAM too, just in case, as sometimes an upgrade causes it to get scrambled and cause the boot to hang. You should also boot in verbose mode to see what's holding you up. Might be a fix the boot drive thing that can take a while on a 25G drive. Peter On Aug 20, 2008, at 8:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. Ken Rushing wrote: After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
OK Don wrote: One of my tires is loosing air, and another has separating tread on the inside edge - so it's time for new tires. Anyone have experience with the General Altimax HP tires? About 400 miles experience on my new HPs on my FWD Oldsmobile. Stick well, ride well, haven't seen rain or snow yet. Rolling resistance might be a bit higher than the tires they replaced, but now that I've upped the pressure to 40psi they roll pretty good and still ride well. There's a HUGE difference in cornering traction between a new Altimax HP and an old Eagle LS, I didn't feel safe on the old tires, they'd howl when taking a freeway ramp at slightly over the posted speed. Through August 4 there was a $50 rebate on a set of four, so I got a huge bargain. The Altimax RT was my 2nd choice, I decided that for a similar price, I'd take the H-rated casing, sticky rubber, and directional tread over the RT's much higher treadwear rating. I'm used to getting 70-80k miles from a 300-350 treadwear rating, so the 400 rating on the Altimax HP means that my tires will probably die of old age before they wear out. Supplied my own stems, so mounting and lifetime balance at WalMart was $44, for a total cost of $264 after rebate and installation. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I should mention that the condition I describe is not caused by a bad tumbler. I bought and replaced one to no benefit. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. Ken Rushing wrote: After much prayer and sweat, the key had turned! Thanks for all the input! I will start working on it this weekend. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
Tom Hargrave wrote: 195/65-15's are getting harder to find. Last I checked with WallyWorld, they did not carry this size in any tire wanted to sub another size. Funny, they had about ten different tires on their web page a couple of months ago, and the store had some that weren't on the web. That's the size my Olds Underachieva takes. I just use WallyWorld for mountbalance, would never trade my $58 Altimax HPs for Walmart's $70 Goodyear Vivas or $60 Douglas Xtra-tracs. (those XtraTracs aren't bad for cheap tires, and they are great in snow. I put 205/65/15 on the Taurus back when they were $39.88 each at WallyMart, but I wouldn't pay $60 for them) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. Try booting to single-user mode. Of course, I forget just how! But the GUI doesn't come up, so maybe it'd get further that way and/or leave enough of a slug trail to give you a clue. Target disk mode works well for that kind of thing. Just the thing for a Pismo... (Our 'new' class of machines, except this one, are all firewire/USB/IDE models, and can thus support each other. This one is a G3 with SCSI/ADB/IDE.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
clay monroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No society is truly sustainable for any great length of time. Stuff happens, people and cultures rise and fall. Big winds or waters sweep the land and mess with life. Absolutely agree. As I said think this sustainable living movement is just another codeword for a larger agenda. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new kind of Illinois politician
R A Bennell wrote: Obama will have a veto too. Yes, but it will be Democratically biased... the original question was why can't the Dems in Congress do all that much even with the majority. It is simply checks and balances at work. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition key will not turn
I had a similar problem on my coupe that was solved by squirting a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil into/onto the lock pin that goes from the ignition lock cylinder chamber to the steering column. Has worked flawlessly for at least 2 years now. I did replace the lock cylinder too. Luther Zoltan Finks wrote: I should mention that the condition I describe is not caused by a bad tumbler. I bought and replaced one to no benefit. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree on the urgency, unless you are careful to apply my technique: Before you shut off the vehicle, 1. place the wheel just in the middle of its slop. 2. turn the key all the way to zero, then back to position one. 3. this way its all ready for your next start, and it is not locked up 4. if parking in a non trustworthy location, you may now remove tumbler with a paper clip (yes, I suppose someone could still start vehicle with large flat screwdriver with tumbler removed) Be careful of parking on hills, especially with wheels turned, as this invites solid lockup. I have gotten around this problem by squirting some lube I have called Bike Aid. Got it from Harley dealership. Squirt it down into the hole tumbler comes out of. Problem is that it seems to wear off. And I dont want to see the mess it leaves in there. Its something like molybdenum somthing or other. On occasions I have locked up, I have employed technique consisting of violently twisting key, yanking wheel back and forth, and kicking steering column. Then remembering to say prayer of thanks. Brian On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, dont start working on it this weekend, work on it NOW, or do not drive the car again until you either pull the tumbler out and use the screw driver approach. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
OK Don wrote: One of my tires is loosing air, and another has separating tread on the inside edge - so it's time for new tires. Anyone have experience with the General Altimax HP tires? They're rated at the top of their category on Tire Rack, and are only $58 each. My brother just got these for his 2001 Sebring and he absolutely loves them. They are quiet, handle well, and his MPG improved. His old tires were SHOT though... he had a hard pull to the right and one of the rear tires developed a bubble. So you may not notice the MPG. Still a great tire though! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
clay monroe wrote: I think we should look are moving a bit of genetic material away from this little rock and seeding a few other rocks. Just in case and all that. Something we agree on! ;) Hopefully the technology or political environment (or both) will encourage this sooner rather than later. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Talk about time wasting
Does this require a manual deletion or is there another way to reply automatically without reposting everything? On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stras fogel'd..This is a waste of my and everyone else's time... Which didn't keep you from reposting all 211 lines of it. RLE ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
I always use a log as a support in case the car falls off the jack. The problem with ramps is they might move as I attempt to drive up them. I like the idea of a lift better. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new kind of Illinois politician
First, the Democrats need 60 Senate seats to prevent R filibusters. And second, never underestimate the Democrats' ability to disagree amongst themselves. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Obama will have a veto too. Yes, but it will be Democratically biased... the original question was why can't the Dems in Congress do all that much even with the majority. It is simply checks and balances at work. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always use a log as a support in case the car falls off the jack. The problem with ramps is they might move as I attempt to drive up them. I like the idea of a lift better. I have bad luck with ramps as well, at least on my smooth, sealed garage floor. they just slide, the car never goes up on them. Jack stands and a decent floor jack have always served me well. A real lift that would let me stand under the car would be wonderful; unfortunately I have neither the overhead clearance nor the money for one right not. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Tempting, but at $1350 not what I would call inexpensive... On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, Here's what you need... http://www.asedeals.com/ low_rise_lifts.htmlOn the inexpensive side. A low rise lift to give clearance for your underneath and not push up the floor above.. Chuck why I am in the market for a garage lift (even it's a mere 9.5 ft. from floor to ceiling). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
I would prefer one that is narrower so I wouldn't have to drive over it all the time when entering and leaving the garage... I also wonder what would be involved in moving the non-portable unit from place to place. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, Here's what you need... http://www.asedeals.com/ low_rise_lifts.htmlOn the inexpensive side. A low rise lift to give clearance for your underneath and not push up the floor above.. Chuck why I am in the market for a garage lift (even it's a mere 9.5 ft. from floor to ceiling). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, recent political attacks
Take it over to Banned! Won't really matter there. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:43 PM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] ADMIN, recent political attacks OK folks, the recent OT political stuff is starting to border on getting to personal attacks. Lets tone it back before I have to cut off all politics all together again. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Andrew, Possibly, just some muscle. Chuck On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:32 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I would prefer one that is narrower so I wouldn't have to drive over it all the time when entering and leaving the garage... I also wonder what would be involved in moving the non-portable unit from place to place. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, Here's what you need... http://www.asedeals.com/ low_rise_lifts.htmlOn the inexpensive side. A low rise lift to give clearance for your underneath and not push up the floor above.. Chuck why I am in the market for a garage lift (even it's a mere 9.5 ft. from floor to ceiling). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Glue some rubber on the bottom of the ramps so they won't slide. I guess my garage floor is rougher as I have not experienced any issues with sliding. I am always concerned about going too far or not being centered but I can always get my wife or one of the boys to watch and let me know if I appear to be in danger of going off the ramp. One thing I will comment on (and have in the past) is that my ramps are home made out of plywood. They were initially built for a Mercury Sable that my wife had. The front spoiler on it was too low to the ground and my old steel ramps would not work. The spoiler would hit the ramp long before the wheels got to the ramp. I made ramps with a longer ramp part so it is quite a bit easier to drive up. The angle is not as steep. They do project further under the car so can be a bit in the way when sliding under the car but I can live with that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always use a log as a support in case the car falls off the jack. The problem with ramps is they might move as I attempt to drive up them. I like the idea of a lift better. I have bad luck with ramps as well, at least on my smooth, sealed garage floor. they just slide, the car never goes up on them. Jack stands and a decent floor jack have always served me well. A real lift that would let me stand under the car would be wonderful; unfortunately I have neither the overhead clearance nor the money for one right not. Allan -- 1983 300D _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Andrew, First, ditch the log. It's too unstable even if it's a foot in diameter. Get two jack stands. Second, put a 2x6x36 or 48 on the floor in front of each ramp with one end up against a concrete sill or something like that. Did it for many years. Ramps won't slide. Chuck On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:46 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I always use a log as a support in case the car falls off the jack. The problem with ramps is they might move as I attempt to drive up them. I like the idea of a lift better. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
That's why I wrote the post that clarified the difference between sustainable and immortal. There's too many different definitions of the word sustainable to use it without an accompanying clarification IMO. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:22 PM, clay monroe wrote: No society is truly sustainable for any great length of time. Stuff happens, people and cultures rise and fall. Big winds or waters sweep the land and mess with life. Most of the indigenous peoples have figured out a manner to survive these catastrophes as a whole, but still the Maya, Anasazi, egyptians, zulu, ad infinitum are gone as dominant cultures clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Now we have gotten past the semantics, to the real philosophical disagreement :) ... living on whatever food you can find, or eeking out a living raising crops on a small plot of land, hoping there's not a drought this year, living long enough to hopefully reproduce at least a few offspring since infant mortality is in the ballpark of 50%, reaching age 45 or so if you're lucky... Sustainable in the sense that your species continues to exist, i guess pretty much a wild animal existence... You are illustrating a fundamental philosophical difference between our culture and that of cultures that live sustainably. Our society believes that we somehow are able to exist as an isolated entity without dependence on the natural environment for survival. We have an illusion that it's our own sheer will and ability to control and manipulate nature that keeps us alive, as opposed to seeing ourselves as a member of an ecological community for whom we depend on. This different world-view results in two totally different systems of environmental ethics, and two different ways of interacting with the natural environment. We either abuse and exploit it, or protect it such that we can't use it's resources at all, while they use the resources responsibly. I believe that this difference in world-view is what makes a sustainable society different from ours, and needs to change if we are going to avoid wiping ourselves out. You also mentioned that our society is thriving and continually improving [its] standard of living. This is something that is impossible to prove unless you experience it firsthand, but the overall happiness and quality of life is often higher for most indigenous people that that of people in industrialized society, despite higher mortality disease and short life-spans. What use is a big expensive house, and excellent medical care when we have high depression rates and the people in our culture are just generally unhappy? We constantly strive for more technology, money, and material possessions in hope that it will give us a level of contentment with our lives that they already have without such things. Perhaps that's why they never felt the need to develop them? I don't think this is because indigenous people are noble savages but because there is something fundamentally wrong with our culture that conflicts with the way our minds work, and the way we evolved to live. What you call a wild animal existence isn't as horrible as most people from our civilized society imagine. It's very different (and not without serious disadvantages and shortcomings), but not inherently inferior. I know a few people from civilized society whom have gone to live with indigenous peoples to do humanitarian or environmental work, and decided they preferred living that way and didn't want to come back to civilized society. Also, most indigenous cultures are not without agriculture, technology, or medicine. Depending on where and how they live, many indigenous people are able to obtain everything they need for survival in a much smaller portion of their time than it takes most people in industrialized society to make a living, leaving a lot of time for developing art, technology, medicine, and just enjoying life and spending time with your family/community. They're not making computers, but I think you'll find that many indigenous people have found ingenious ways to get food that take up very little of their time, and have discovered a wide variety of medicines (many modern pharmaceuticals were discovered based on herbal remedies used by indigenous people). Many also have developed ways to store water and preserve food to mitigate the effects of environmental fluctuations such as drought. deliver clean water and fresh food in abundance, defend themselves against enemies Often, the need for us to address these issues is a result of problems that could have been prevented. If you have low populations and don't pollute your water, don't wipe out natural animal and plant populations, and don't try to pick fights with your neighbors these are non-issues. The point I am trying to make isn't that we should give up our modern society and live as indigenous people, but that we should have more respect for them, and realize that there is a lot we could learn from them about how to improve our quality of life and to live sustainably. In return, they could also benefit from our medicine, and technology without abandoning their culture. We are essentially at war with our natural environment, and on a path to quickly wipe ourselves out unless we learn from our mistakes and make some major changes to how we live. On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: For example, say (hypothetically) that you are member of a small tribe in the Amazon that has been living off the land in the same way for
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
andrew strasfogel wrote: I would prefer one that is narrower so I wouldn't have to drive over it all the time when entering and leaving the garage... I also wonder what would be involved in moving the non-portable unit from place to place. If you have 12' of ceiling height, get a wide one with clear floor underneath. Then you just swing the arms out of the way with plenty of room to drive in and open your doors without hitting the uprights. If you move and take it with you, you will have to specifically exempt it from the sales contract (it's bolted to the floor) and you have the logistics of unbolting, disassembling, and moving a 1500lb object. Then you need to have about 4 of good concrete and 12' of overhead clearance at the new garage. There are floor plate lifts that can fit under a 9' or 10' ceiling, but you would be driving over the hump in the middle and if you might have to be careful about hoisting your car into the ceiling. (with any hoist, if you don't have 16' ceilings you better not be hoisting with the hood open) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or archive and install? In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
Huh? I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123. You need to put the hood up first. It only takes one wrench for the cables and a 10mm socket on an extension. I like my 12 extension. I use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time. It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it. At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
I've not worked on a 124 yet. I do know the California 123 OM617 is MUCH easier to RR the battery, even easier than my 126! Luther Loren Faeth wrote: Huh? I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123. You need to put the hood up first. It only takes one wrench for the cables and a 10mm socket on an extension. I like my 12 extension. I use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time. It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it. At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
My ceiling is 9'6 due to the architect who designed our garage with a flat roof. On the bright side, I can do a green roof one day to grow even more heirloom tomatoes. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
One trick is to peel back the weather seal at the top of the rear engine bay to give another 1 of access (it's formed into ppsition rather than glued). I do that as well when removing the fuse box cover on the opposite side... Battery RR on the W123 300CD took the MB roadside guy 45 minutes - it's very tight. It's a lot easier on the 300TD due to its more spacious engine compartment. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not worked on a 124 yet. I do know the California 123 OM617 is MUCH easier to RR the battery, even easier than my 126! Luther Loren Faeth wrote: Huh? I remember it being more of a dance with a 124 than in the 123. You need to put the hood up first. It only takes one wrench for the cables and a 10mm socket on an extension. I like my 12 extension. I use it so much I leave it on my floppy head rachet all the time. It is nice when the battery has 2 handles on it. At 10:46 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Is there any reason that you could not raise the roof and give yourself more room? What is the garage built of? Are there height restrictions in your area? How does it compare to the house in terms of height? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop My ceiling is 9'6 due to the architect who designed our garage with a flat roof. On the bright side, I can do a green roof one day to grow even more heirloom tomatoes. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
andrew strasfogel wrote: My ceiling is 9'6 This is 9'3, just remember my prior comment about sticking your car roof through the ceiling: http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/2-Post-Lifts-p/tp7a-d.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
I put new tires on my 300D 2.5T a month or so ago. I got 4 Continental ContiProContact and absolutely love them!! Great in the wet, dry, quiet, yada, yada - However, m,y son just bought Kuhmo's for his MB - a 78 240D - so performance is not an issue. Anyway - my vote is for the Conti's -- Good luck -- - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5 One of my tires is loosing air, and another has separating tread on the inside edge - so it's time for new tires. Anyone have experience with the General Altimax HP tires? They're rated at the top of their category on Tire Rack, and are only $58 each. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=Altimax+HPpartnum=965HR5AMAXHPvehicleSearch=truefromCompare1=yesplace=3speed_rating=Hspeed_rating=Vspeed_rating=Wspeed_rating=Yspeed_rating=Zspeed_rating=(Y)speed_rating=Hspeed_rating=Vspeed_rating=Wspeed_rating=Yspeed_rating=Zspeed_rating=(Y)#Survey -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 8:12 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - EV
As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -- Maybe. Larry T ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 12:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ever been buzzed by a 747 while at the beach?
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Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
I got it up in target disk mode and am cleaning files off. Turns out the investment into the iBook was a very good thing for just this sort of idiot move I made. Will be sure now that the bork was to the disk and not the machine itself since it is allowing target disk mode and outputting to the screen so that I can see it working clay On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Will reset PRAM and see. Have changed to verbose a while back since I wanted to see what all was happening. It shuts down before I can read the last few lines. Try booting to single-user mode. Of course, I forget just how! But the GUI doesn't come up, so maybe it'd get further that way and/or leave enough of a slug trail to give you a clue. Target disk mode works well for that kind of thing. Just the thing for a Pismo... (Our 'new' class of machines, except this one, are all firewire/USB/IDE models, and can thus support each other. This one is a G3 with SCSI/ADB/IDE.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - EV
Don't know how it might work for your MGB but I hear the hot swap for old Toyota 4X4's is now the inline aluminum 5 cylinder out of a Chevy Colorado or H3. Light, not too big, good power and torque and reasonably cheap and available in the junk yards from wrecks. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of larry turner Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -- Maybe. Larry T ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 12:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
All well and good for the environment where there is no competition, but we have outgrown that stage. We are now in a place where we all are wanting the same resources and those are becoming far more scarce. What happens when you exceed your bid? This came to me while I was at the auction watching folks bidding up stuff to over retail prices. B-i-L wants a plasma cutter. Nice new hypertherm 350 he decided I should bid to $400. A woman took it all the way to $700 + after four of us bowed out at $450. Water, fuel and food will be handled in a less civilized manner in a few years when we all want it. clay On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Now we have gotten past the semantics, to the real philosophical disagreement :) ... living on whatever food you can find, or eeking out a living raising crops on a small plot of land, hoping there's not a drought this year, living long enough to hopefully reproduce at least a few offspring since infant mortality is in the ballpark of 50%, reaching age 45 or so if you're lucky... Sustainable in the sense that your species continues to exist, i guess pretty much a wild animal existence... You are illustrating a fundamental philosophical difference between our culture and that of cultures that live sustainably. Our society believes that we somehow are able to exist as an isolated entity without dependence on the natural environment for survival. We have an illusion that it's our own sheer will and ability to control and manipulate nature that keeps us alive, as opposed to seeing ourselves as a member of an ecological community for whom we depend on. This different world-view results in two totally different systems of environmental ethics, and two different ways of interacting with the natural environment. We either abuse and exploit it, or protect it such that we can't use it's resources at all, while they use the resources responsibly. I believe that this difference in world-view is what makes a sustainable society different from ours, and needs to change if we are going to avoid wiping ourselves out. You also mentioned that our society is thriving and continually improving [its] standard of living. This is something that is impossible to prove unless you experience it firsthand, but the overall happiness and quality of life is often higher for most indigenous people that that of people in industrialized society, despite higher mortality disease and short life-spans. What use is a big expensive house, and excellent medical care when we have high depression rates and the people in our culture are just generally unhappy? We constantly strive for more technology, money, and material possessions in hope that it will give us a level of contentment with our lives that they already have without such things. Perhaps that's why they never felt the need to develop them? I don't think this is because indigenous people are noble savages but because there is something fundamentally wrong with our culture that conflicts with the way our minds work, and the way we evolved to live. What you call a wild animal existence isn't as horrible as most people from our civilized society imagine. It's very different (and not without serious disadvantages and shortcomings), but not inherently inferior. I know a few people from civilized society whom have gone to live with indigenous peoples to do humanitarian or environmental work, and decided they preferred living that way and didn't want to come back to civilized society. Also, most indigenous cultures are not without agriculture, technology, or medicine. Depending on where and how they live, many indigenous people are able to obtain everything they need for survival in a much smaller portion of their time than it takes most people in industrialized society to make a living, leaving a lot of time for developing art, technology, medicine, and just enjoying life and spending time with your family/community. They're not making computers, but I think you'll find that many indigenous people have found ingenious ways to get food that take up very little of their time, and have discovered a wide variety of medicines (many modern pharmaceuticals were discovered based on herbal remedies used by indigenous people). Many also have developed ways to store water and preserve food to mitigate the effects of environmental fluctuations such as drought. deliver clean water and fresh food in abundance, defend themselves against enemies Often, the need for us to address these issues is a result of problems that could have been prevented. If you have low populations and don't pollute your water, don't wipe out natural animal and plant populations, and don't try to pick fights with your neighbors these are non-issues. The point I am trying to make isn't that we should give up our modern society and live as indigenous people, but that we should
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
As far as I can tell they stopped making the OEM Conti tread pattern. I had them on my 190DT, but needed to replace 2 of them, and nobody could find a matching set. I now have 2 195/65HR-15 Michelin Energy MXV4 S8 tires and two of the OEM style Contis. When the Contis wear out, I will be using all Michelin MXV4s. they were only $85 each on tirerack.com (no affiliation). Tyler On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:42 PM, larry turner wrote: I put new tires on my 300D 2.5T a month or so ago. I got 4 Continental ContiProContact and absolutely love them!! Great in the wet, dry, quiet, yada, yada - However, m,y son just bought Kuhmo's for his MB - a 78 240D - so performance is not an issue. Anyway - my vote is for the Conti's -- Good luck -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
good boy!! Ken Rushing wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
he should just spend the 2 minutes to pull the tumbler NOW, then use a screw driver to start/stop it till he gets the new one in. Wilton Strickland wrote: If he turns it off, it may never turn again - key in it or not - his problem's not getting the key in it, it's turning it! Please pardon us if we seem edgy, Ken, but we're just hoping you can avoid the cutting/chisel, big money route in favor of the two-minute, extremely simple one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn You can turn the key off -- just don't remove it. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned in yesterday's forum I will be working on it this weekend. I simply stated that I got it to turn. Believe me, I'm not taking my chances by turning the key off. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1624 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 7:11 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
How much are the Kumhos I know those are good, and are usually cheap. OK Don wrote: One of my tires is loosing air, and another has separating tread on the inside edge - so it's time for new tires. Anyone have experience with the General Altimax HP tires? They're rated at the top of their category on Tire Rack, and are only $58 each. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=Altimax+HPpartnum=965HR5AMAXHPvehicleSearch=truefromCompare1=yesplace=3speed_rating=Hspeed_rating=Vspeed_rating=Wspeed_rating=Yspeed_rating=Zspeed_rating=(Y)speed_rating=Hspeed_rating=Vspeed_rating=Wspeed_rating=Yspeed_rating=Zspeed_rating=(Y)#Survey -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Not able to boot from known external source yet. Was able to get it into target disk mode and clean up some files. I should have gotten a fresh disk and done install that way. Caught on the limits of the internal controller so using only 120 gig drives. Will be looking at upgrading to sata controller and getting giant drive, but too cheap to shell out for a card at this point. Thanks for the insight. I am taking all the information I can get and muddling through. clay On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or archive and install? In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. Maybe 25 lines or so. Any ideas? Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? HELP clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
I have never had any problems with this job Luther wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ever been buzzed by a 747 while at the beach?
hahahahahahahahahaha, holy crap Mitch Haley wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAfQwDizpRo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmDuXO_k6E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:54 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
Those didnt seem to have a very good traction rating on tirerack Tyler Backman wrote: As far as I can tell they stopped making the OEM Conti tread pattern. I had them on my 190DT, but needed to replace 2 of them, and nobody could find a matching set. I now have 2 195/65HR-15 Michelin Energy MXV4 S8 tires and two of the OEM style Contis. When the Contis wear out, I will be using all Michelin MXV4s. they were only $85 each on tirerack.com (no affiliation). Tyler On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:42 PM, larry turner wrote: I put new tires on my 300D 2.5T a month or so ago. I got 4 Continental ContiProContact and absolutely love them!! Great in the wet, dry, quiet, yada, yada - However, m,y son just bought Kuhmo's for his MB - a 78 240D - so performance is not an issue. Anyway - my vote is for the Conti's -- Good luck -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:54 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Its the cylinder, without a doubt. But, if you have it out and it still wont turn with a screwdriver, then its not the cylinder. But, as I said, its 99.99% sure that it is. Ken Rushing wrote: I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:54 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Not that I know of. If you'll be more comfortable with it, get the lock assembly, too. I've ordered and replaced several tumblers/cylinders, and I've had the ENTIRE lock/switch assemnbly out of my 87 300D (coupla months ago for evaporator swap), but I've never installed a new lock. Check with Rusty; I know the tumbler cylinder is very reasonable; 'think the lock is, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn I've removed the ignition cylinder. So how will I know if it's a bad cylinder or a bad lock/ignition mechanism? Should I go ahead and get a new cylinder to see if that's the fix? I'd hate to get the new cylinder and install it then the cylinder becomes stuck again because it was the lock mechanism. Any way to tell? Thanks again, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] pretty soon only paypal or credit cars will be allowed on ebay
www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200808.shtml#2008-08-20070116 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] hopefully one of you is the bidder on this cheap 603 head
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=160273916197ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=006 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blammo
...As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -.. The question is, will you then peel all the teeth off the ring gear or will you just twist the hub out of the wire wheels. Seen this before. RLE ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Those didnt seem to have a very good traction rating on tirerack Snow traction in particular. The way I look at it, Continental/General's Altimax HP is tied for the top rated Grand Touring tire in Tirerack's survey, their ContiProContact is #7, and the H-speed Conti is more expensive than the Altimax, so why pay more? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=GTAS Other categories worth a look: High Performance All Season: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HPAS Ultra High Performance All Season: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS Standard Touring: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/touring.jsp BTW, Wonko's Regatta II are still on the market, rated in the top third of the standard touring category: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GoodyeartireModel=Regatta+2#Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Retirement
From my friend CS, recently retired NWA 747 Captain: I had a bad dream last night. In it was the FAA, crew scheduling, bad schedules, bad management, self-serving union, unserviceable aircraft equipment, changing weather, freezing rain, no extra holding fuel, ever-changing procedures, endless flight manual revisions, dead heading in the middle seat, broken and lost luggage, nasty passenger agents, crabby old flight attendants, all-nighters, foreign countries, sleep deprivation, mergers, seniority squabbles, company threats, freezing rain, food poisoning, no food, bad coffee, bidding, pulled away from my family for weeks at a time, fleabag hotels, early get-ups, late cabs and maniac cab drivers, bidding vacation, waiting for gates, weather, freezing rain, low visibility approaches, aircraft de-icing, PCs, Gestapo check airman, medicals, commuting to and from work in unspeakable weather, freezing rain, the parking lot from Hell, parking lot buses, inter-terminal busses, spring break, Christmas rush, Easter rush, PA announcements, insurance, drug and alcohol testing, noise violations, customs lineups, dry cleaning, terrorism, security passes, rude (dumb as dirt) security personnel, high gas/oil prices, pay cuts, rush hour traffic, freezing rain, that infernal alarm clock, crash pads, catching cold away from home, lackadaisical crew members, sexual harassment threats, flight attendants and co-pilots implying that they are a gift to aviation after being there three years, back biting, gossip, cell phones, aircraft cram courses, plus laying my job on the line several times a year with simulators, endless procedural memorization and Annual Recurrent Training days ... did I mention freezing rain? Then I woke up. . and joyously found myself still retired! Whew!!! ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Retirement
I have those occasionally, too. 'Bout the only thing on the list missing from mine is flight attendants - none aboard a B-52. Oh, and maybe lost luggage and passenger agents. Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] Retirement From my friend CS, recently retired NWA 747 Captain: I had a bad dream last night. In it was the FAA, crew scheduling, bad schedules, bad management, self-serving union, unserviceable aircraft equipment, changing weather, freezing rain, no extra holding fuel, ever-changing procedures, endless flight manual revisions, dead heading in the middle seat, broken and lost luggage, nasty passenger agents, crabby old flight attendants, all-nighters, foreign countries, sleep deprivation, mergers, seniority squabbles, company threats, freezing rain, food poisoning, no food, bad coffee, bidding, pulled away from my family for weeks at a time, fleabag hotels, early get-ups, late cabs and maniac cab drivers, bidding vacation, waiting for gates, weather, freezing rain, low visibility approaches, aircraft de-icing, PCs, Gestapo check airman, medicals, commuting to and from work in unspeakable weather, freezing rain, the parking lot from Hell, parking lot buses, inter-terminal busses, spring break, Christmas rush, Easter rush, PA announcements, insurance, drug and alcohol testing, noise violations, customs lineups, dry cleaning, terrorism, security passes, rude (dumb as dirt) security personnel, high gas/oil prices, pay cuts, rush hour traffic, freezing rain, that infernal alarm clock, crash pads, catching cold away from home, lackadaisical crew members, sexual harassment threats, flight attendants and co-pilots implying that they are a gift to aviation after being there three years, back biting, gossip, cell phones, aircraft cram courses, plus laying my job on the line several times a year with simulators, endless procedural memorization and Annual Recurrent Training days ... did I mention freezing rain? Then I woke up. . and joyously found myself still retired! Whew!!! ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Live learn
I thought I had a heavyweight prospective buyer for my '76 450SL. Based on one of the concerns which a local MB independent pointed out to the prospective buyer during a pre-purchase inspection, I thought I'd try to do what I could to alleviate the buyer's concern in relation to the one remaining cat converter as the independent suggested that if it wasn't plugged now, it probably won't be long based on the mileage (135K mi.). Based on the workshop manual and input from others, I thought by replacing the original left side exhaust manifold with a '77-79 left side exhaust manifold that the prospoective buyer's main concern would be alleviated. Well, the '79 exhaust manifold which I obtained from Don Zeldin (Woodville, Ontario, Canada) does not have a connection for the EGR valve so I'm now out $200+ and the possible loss of my prospective buyer as he has said that this is something that he does not want to deal with. Be careful out there as to who you obtain advice from and from whom you purchase used parts. I guess the purchase of my brother's 300TD will have to wait. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blammo
Or in the case of the 350 we dropped into a Vega years ago, will he split the 2 small gears in the differential. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:49 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blammo ...As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -.. The question is, will you then peel all the teeth off the ring gear or will you just twist the hub out of the wire wheels. Seen this before. RLE ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Retirement
Oh, add to the nightmare list: nuclear weapons, nuclear systems positive conntrol procedures and ORI's. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have never had any problems with this job Maybe they have 300CDs? Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Live learn
So how is this sellers fault that it does not have a egr valve connection? Did he say it did? Seems like a bonus to me that it does not have one. Glenn Brown wrote: I thought I had a heavyweight prospective buyer for my '76 450SL. Based on one of the concerns which a local MB independent pointed out to the prospective buyer during a pre-purchase inspection, I thought I'd try to do what I could to alleviate the buyer's concern in relation to the one remaining cat converter as the independent suggested that if it wasn't plugged now, it probably won't be long based on the mileage (135K mi.). Based on the workshop manual and input from others, I thought by replacing the original left side exhaust manifold with a '77-79 left side exhaust manifold that the prospoective buyer's main concern would be alleviated. Well, the '79 exhaust manifold which I obtained from Don Zeldin (Woodville, Ontario, Canada) does not have a connection for the EGR valve so I'm now out $200+ and the possible loss of my prospective buyer as he has said that this is something that he does not want to deal with. Be careful out there as to who you obtain advice from and from whom you purchase used parts. I guess the purchase of my brother's 300TD will have to wait. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:54 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
I'll give Rusty a call tomorrow and order the cylinder. For now, a screwdriver turns the assembly with ease. Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blammo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -.. The question is, will you then peel all the teeth off the ring gear or will you just twist the hub out of the wire wheels. When a car has a live axle, there are an almost infinite variety of solutions to the weak diff problem. I would think that a properly trued and tensioned set of wire wheels could handle more torque than the tires could, otherwise the brakes would rip the wheels apart in the first panic stop. If you drive around on loose wire wheels, you get what you deserve. I'd use Halibrands or Minilites or other vintage style wheels, because I like tubeless tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn
Great! Good luck! Wilton - Original Message - From: Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ignition Key will not turn I'll give Rusty a call tomorrow and order the cylinder. For now, a screwdriver turns the assembly with ease. Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blammo
I replaced the diff. in the MGA (4.30) with one from an MGB (3.90) when I installed the 215 V8 in the MGA. Never had a problem with it. The MG u-joint right in front of the diff. was the weak link - I replaced it every 6 months. I did have steel wheels --- On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...As I near the end of the resto of my 66 MGB Roadster I keep looking at the engine bay and thinking about a 289 with 2-4s. Or a Buick 3.5L Alum.V8 --- And a modern 4 or 5 speed also -.. The question is, will you then peel all the teeth off the ring gear or will you just twist the hub out of the wire wheels. Seen this before. RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Tyler Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you call a wild animal existence isn't as horrible as most people from our civilized society imagine. It's very different (and not without serious disadvantages and shortcomings), but not inherently inferior. I know a few people from civilized society whom have gone to live with indigenous peoples to do humanitarian or environmental work, and decided they preferred living that way and didn't want to come back to civilized society. Neither is it the garden of eden you seem to think it is. Hey if you want to go live in a hut in the jungle and swat mosquitoes all night and hope you don't get malaria because we're not allowed to use DDT anymore (a decision that has probably killed more humans than all the wars of the 20th century combined), be my guest. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure ;-) On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Live learn
Based on the workshop manual and input from others, I thought by replacing the original left side exhaust manifold with a '77-79 left side exhaust manifold that the prospoective buyer's main concern would be alleviated. To plug the cats on my '76 SL would have required vomiting a piston or two out into them: the matrix was long gone. If you're going to replace it with a cat-less system anyway why not just knock out the middle of yours? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pretty soon only paypal or credit cars will be allowed on ebay
I have no problem with that. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200808.shtml#2008-08-20070116 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
I think that unless I can walk beneath the car w/o crouching, it makes more sense to get the low rise lift rather than a post lift. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: My ceiling is 9'6 This is 9'3, just remember my prior comment about sticking your car roof through the ceiling: http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/2-Post-Lifts-p/tp7a-d.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Things that go clunk when you stop
Also, that low post lift costs $495 for shipping whereas the low rise was $1400 delivered (vs. nearly $1800, plus installation and electrical charges). On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:22 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think that unless I can walk beneath the car w/o crouching, it makes more sense to get the low rise lift rather than a post lift. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: My ceiling is 9'6 This is 9'3, just remember my prior comment about sticking your car roof through the ceiling: http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/2-Post-Lifts-p/tp7a-d.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy! On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure ;-) On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
I am not sure what the issue is. The battery in my W123 is right there, looking at you. You disconnect the cables, take a deep breath, and snatch the big-ass'd battery out of the tray. Then you grasp your chest and take a few deep breaths. Take a drink of the beverage of your choice, then install new battery in reverse steps. You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass alone keeps it in place. I've had my 240D for about three years now, and the battery is held in place by gravity and has not shifted. I have cobwebs as proof. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey if I can do a job, it HAS to be easy! On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh It's easy and simple in the all manual 240D! You have the wrong 123 my friend, and I have the cure ;-) On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the award goes to Battery RR! UGH. Why did they have to put the %#)($in air cleaner in the way? On a positive note, at least it only takes a 13mm open end wrench and a 10mm socket and extension Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
I've powered thru 18 of unplowed snow without so much as a tire-spin with the Regatta tires. In each of my four vehicles. Most in my part of Iowa slap on studded snow tires after the first snow fall -- I have no need to do that. I do dump two 60 lbs. tubes of sand in the trunk of my 240D. I was really surprised how they handled on glare (as in really bad, complete with several work comps claims at work from folks who fell) ice. The Regattas pretty much laughed at the ice and went in the intended direction. Best recommendation I can give them -- four years of use in multiple vehicles (mix of FWD RWD). You can read all of the online reviews you want, but I've experienced these tires first hand. If you live where it snows (or rains), you can't go wrong. If Kleb ends up with my Quantum, it comes delivered with Regatta 2 on each axle. I think that is about $400 purchased/mounted/balanced. 2000 miles ago. D. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Those didn't seem to have a very good traction rating on tirerack Snow traction in particular. BTW, Wonko's Regatta II are still on the market, rated in the top third of the standard touring category: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GoodyeartireModel=Regatta+2#Survey _ -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biggest PIA simple 123 repair is....
You're not actually securing this beast to the battery tray, are you? Mass alone keeps it in place. The purpose of the battery clamp is to keep the battery from welding itself to the hood and starting a fire if you should get into a rollover. Like car insurance it's something you don't need at all...until you do. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
I thought you had that sold? Wonko the Sane wrote: If Kleb ends up with my Quantum, it comes delivered with Regatta 2 on each axle. I think that is about $400 purchased/mounted/balanced. 2000 miles ago. D. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Those didn't seem to have a very good traction rating on tirerack Snow traction in particular. BTW, Wonko's Regatta II are still on the market, rated in the top third of the standard touring category: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GoodyeartireModel=Regatta+2#Survey _ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
