[MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: First and foremost, what are the numbers on the back? There should be a 4 digit - four digit number on there. The first one is the movement ID and the second is the case ID. Need to know the movement number to help with fast set of date and day, they differ. 6619-8230 around the edge along with with Seiko Water Proof Diashock Stainless Steel, and what appears to be a serial number 817607 stamped in the middle of the back. Thanks for the help, Peter and everybody else. Sounds like it is running just fine---now if you can just tell me how to set it more easily? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody live around Nashville?
Sorry Kaleb, I seem to have deleted it. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody live around Nashville? so tell me about the CE, maybe I want it since I will be there. n/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Give him a sedagive??? What a great line from the funniest movie of all time! Others to jar your memory - Werewolf? There wolf, there tree. great knockers! Why thank you doctor. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: L Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? I'm in the northwest corner of Indianapolis, just about four miles from downtown Zionsville. We're practically neighbors! --mf On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:41 AM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark, Where are you in Indy? Dan (in Avon) --- On Sat, 1/2/10, L Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com wrote: From: L Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:14 PM Westside sounds about right, is what I meant. This little Dell is pretty neat, but it's a little trigger-happy. Mark Finch Indianapolis On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:11 PM, L Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com wrote: Jeez. Westside On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:43 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I gotta laugh about this CL ad. Not only is the title screwed up, but the description is good, too. http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bfs/1534689731.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
I love my '91 also - but I've come to believe the motor mounts ay need to be replaced every 100K mi or so. The engine should be silent with no vibration at idle. re your fuel mileage - Ha! and Honda Camry drivers brag about 28mpg! ;-) The W124's are awesome cars - from what I've heard, the gas models are pretty good also. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report In the 1 year, 8 months since I got the car from Kaleb, it's been driven 11,625 miles, burned 367.6 gals. for 31.62 mpg. Total miles today are 338,265. It's burning an average of 1 qt. of oil every 1,600 miles. I can live with that. The chain stretch is 2.8 degrees. It's currently down due to not charging the battery, despite only 5000 miles on a new regulator and polished armature. A Bosch re-built alternator looks to be in it's future. This is a great car! -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement
you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't come with it. I fashioned a temporary cover from a piece of Tyvek-like material and a zip tie; that should keep the road grime out of the pivot bearing workings until a new cap arrives. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] weiss
IMO they're not very bright - like having a brake light on one side only... YMMV LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: relng...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:15 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] weiss ...How annoyingly bright is a rear fog lamp?.. Very, but they are red. And showing a white light to the rear is illegal in my state. We are not talking about back-up lights. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the newer block. Peter Merle wrote: I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 03:41:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody live around Nashville?
no problem Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Sorry Kaleb, I seem to have deleted it. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody live around Nashville? so tell me about the CE, maybe I want it since I will be there. n/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 03:41:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the But you should be able to cut the base off the new filter, adapt hose fittings to it, bolt it to the block, and run a remote filter somewhere Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks
I have a Seiko that I purchased at the Anderson AFB, Guam, Base Exchange (Army guys call it PX, we call it BX) in July 1972. Wore it all the time for about 20+ years; 'got a bit heavy (the watch); 'been in a drawer for maybe 17 years. 'Pulled it out last night and lightly shook it coupla times; 'still in perfect condition and working fine. Sometime in Fall of '72, a friend and I were walking down a street in Bangkok, Thailand, and came upon a nice jewelry store with Seiko watches, etc., in the window and a mighty fine-looking young lady clerk behind the sales counter. 'Friend said, Let's go in here. Inside, 'Friend asked the young lady to show him Seiko watches. She brought out 3 or 4; as friend looked at one of them, he said to her, It says 'Seiko' outside; is it Seiko inside. Immediately she was a bit insulted and replied, Sure, it Seiko inside. What you think I do you? Friend did not buy (surprise), but the clerk was, indeed, number 1 (in Yankee talk - a 10+). Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks for the sake of simplicity, cost and shock resistance, seiko did not put a manual wind function on this watch On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:04 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not one of the watch geeks, but I've owned a couple of self winders -- Omega and Mido. On mine, you turn the stem to wind it, pull out the stem to set the time, and push the stem in from the default position to increment the date one day at a time. IIRC, 30 secinds of shacking won't wind it much. However, the manual wind function should let you get at least a day out of it. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Hursty et al.---I just bought a nice old Seiko on eBay. See attached picture. First self-winding watch I've had. It was stopped when I got it (mailed from Florida to Oregon, so it had plenty of time to run down). I set the time and date (is there a shortcut to setting the day of the week other than running the hands all the way around the dial over and over?) and shook it gently for 30 seconds or so to wind it up (feeling the pendulum or whatever it is jiggle back and forth inside as I did so). Then I set it down. I looked at it about eight hours later and it had evidently run for about four hours, then stopped. Is this normal? How long can you expect a self-winding watch to run if it's not on your wrist? If not normal, does this thing just need cleaning and lubrication, or something more---and how much can I expect to spend to get it up to specs? Alex -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: seiko.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42404 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100103/d562fd84/attachment.jpe ___ -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks
BTW, my Seiko is a Bell-matic (alarm). 'Has the original band; same one shown in Gary's photos. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks I have a Seiko that I purchased at the Anderson AFB, Guam, Base Exchange (Army guys call it PX, we call it BX) in July 1972. Wore it all the time for about 20+ years; 'got a bit heavy (the watch); 'been in a drawer for maybe 17 years. 'Pulled it out last night and lightly shook it coupla times; 'still in perfect condition and working fine. Sometime in Fall of '72, a friend and I were walking down a street in Bangkok, Thailand, and came upon a nice jewelry store with Seiko watches, etc., in the window and a mighty fine-looking young lady clerk behind the sales counter. 'Friend said, Let's go in here. Inside, 'Friend asked the young lady to show him Seiko watches. She brought out 3 or 4; as friend looked at one of them, he said to her, It says 'Seiko' outside; is it Seiko inside. Immediately she was a bit insulted and replied, Sure, it Seiko inside. What you think I do you? Friend did not buy (surprise), but the clerk was, indeed, number 1 (in Yankee talk - a 10+). Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks for the sake of simplicity, cost and shock resistance, seiko did not put a manual wind function on this watch On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:04 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not one of the watch geeks, but I've owned a couple of self winders -- Omega and Mido. On mine, you turn the stem to wind it, pull out the stem to set the time, and push the stem in from the default position to increment the date one day at a time. IIRC, 30 secinds of shacking won't wind it much. However, the manual wind function should let you get at least a day out of it. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Hursty et al.---I just bought a nice old Seiko on eBay. See attached picture. First self-winding watch I've had. It was stopped when I got it (mailed from Florida to Oregon, so it had plenty of time to run down). I set the time and date (is there a shortcut to setting the day of the week other than running the hands all the way around the dial over and over?) and shook it gently for 30 seconds or so to wind it up (feeling the pendulum or whatever it is jiggle back and forth inside as I did so). Then I set it down. I looked at it about eight hours later and it had evidently run for about four hours, then stopped. Is this normal? How long can you expect a self-winding watch to run if it's not on your wrist? If not normal, does this thing just need cleaning and lubrication, or something more---and how much can I expect to spend to get it up to specs? Alex -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: seiko.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42404 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100103/d562fd84/attachment.jpe ___ -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
Get a late 123 engine and have a rocket ship with the extra 4hp! -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:14 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115 Message-ID: 2ea1fde21001040029g51e9cc44y9533a58a3b112...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
Eyegore! Blucher! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 7:50 AM, LarryT wrote: Give him a sedagive??? What a great line from the funniest movie of all time! Others to jar your memory - Werewolf? There wolf, there tree. great knockers! Why thank you doctor. LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
My aren't we smug. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:03 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115 Get a late 123 engine and have a rocket ship with the extra 4hp! -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:29:14 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115 Message-ID: 2ea1fde21001040029g51e9cc44y9533a58a3b112...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12mm hex for OM603 tensioner -- was My '95 E300 project, progress report
The closest Lowes to me did not have it. Their selection of Kobalt tools has gradually been shrinking UNLESS you want to purchase the huges sets in carrying cases. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Robert Massmann Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 12mm hex for OM603 tensioner -- was My '95 E300 project,progress report Have you tried Lowes. I think I got my hex socket set from them. Regards, Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 45054 1995 E300D 281K 1985 300CD 328K 1982 300D 250K 1981 Rabbit Truck 200K - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] 12mm hex for OM603 tensioner -- was My '95 E300 project,progress report I needed a 12mm hex key to remove the tensioner on my '87 wagon. My neighbor was home this afternoon and he loaned me his, but I would like to purchase one for my tool box. Today I visited almost every store that sells tools in my town, and came up completely empty. My back-up plan was to grind down a 1/2 inch hex to make a 12mm, but that wouldn't have been too pretty I'll bet. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My '95 E300 project, progress report So, you no longer need the 12mm wrench? LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 11:29 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] My '95 E300 project, progress report One does not need the special tool assembly cage or assembly sleeve that is called for in the service manual. Also, removing the camshaft gear is also not necessary (at least on my engine - haven't checked the chain stretch yet so maybe I have a really looong chain helping out here). I was out in the garage working on my '87 replacing the belt tensioner, when that project came to a sudden halt due to a tool shortage (don't own a 12mm hex key). Decided to mess around with the '95 as I'd gotten some marking paint and I thought it was a good time to remove the camshaft gear. Pulled the valve cover and marked the gear and chain position, then while waiting for that to dry I started pulling on the timing chain at the IP timer to see how necessary the special tool was. To my surprise, after just a few minutes of fiddling the IP timer came right out. Installed the new one, and then re-installed the injection pump. Still need to hook up all the injection pump connections, but she's back in place. So, spent a few satisfying hours in the garage, and now I have a good excuse to go tool shopping tomorrow. Remaining work on the '95: Hook up all the injection pump connections Repair deteriorating wire insulation in the engine bay (liquid electrical tape) Remove old fuel return line bits from injector nipples, install new lines Diagnose/repair the engine missing and low power (new fuel filters first, then maybe injectors or delivery valves are the culprits). Re-install all the intake and crank-case ventilation piping/gaskets -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement
Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet she'll get. That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had temps in the mid 20's here, which is pretty darn cold for Charleston. This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't come with it. I fashioned a temporary cover from a piece of Tyvek-like material and a zip tie; that should keep the road grime out of the pivot bearing workings until a new cap arrives. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
What about the motor mount arms? I seem to recall that others have had success with a similar operation, not sure if going from 115 to 123 or vice versa. Google is your friend... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115 The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the newer block. Peter Merle wrote: I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 03:41:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Infiniti starting problems
But would resistance change from start to start? I guess it could if temperature sensitive, and this problem does seem to be temperature related. Worth looking into, thanks for the idea! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of mguzzir...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:31 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 12mm hex for OM603 tensioner -- was My '95 E300 project,progress report May want to check resistance of the battery cables. It may be one of those are going bad and not the starter. Steve On Jan 3, 2010 3:51pm, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: However, her Infiniti has developed a new problem - the starter seems to be going out. Most starts it works fine, but occasionally it really turns over too slowly like the battery is going dead. Already had the old battery tested and it was very weak so a new battery was installed last month. - Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 12mm hex for OM603 tensioner -- was My '95 E300 project, progress report Max wrote: I needed a 12mm hex key to remove the tensioner on my '87 wagon. I don't think anything at Harbor is USA - but I don't see Harbor anywhere. Doesn't sears have that tool? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] glowing in the cold
Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
He should put a om617.95x in it. On 01/04/2010 12:45 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: What about the motor mount arms? I seem to recall that others have had success with a similar operation, not sure if going from 115 to 123 or vice versa. Google is your friend... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115 The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the newer block. Peter Merle wrote: I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 03:41:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks
don't try this with rolex or other similar cheap watch! i've owned nearly every major make of watch in the world, but seiko has spent more time on my wrist than any other. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I have a Seiko that I purchased at the Anderson AFB, Guam, Base Exchange (Army guys call it PX, we call it BX) in July 1972. Wore it all the time for about 20+ years; 'got a bit heavy (the watch); 'been in a drawer for maybe 17 years. 'Pulled it out last night and lightly shook it coupla times; 'still in perfect condition and working fine. Sometime in Fall of '72, a friend and I were walking down a street in Bangkok, Thailand, and came upon a nice jewelry store with Seiko watches, etc., in the window and a mighty fine-looking young lady clerk behind the sales counter. 'Friend said, Let's go in here. Inside, 'Friend asked the young lady to show him Seiko watches. She brought out 3 or 4; as friend looked at one of them, he said to her, It says 'Seiko' outside; is it Seiko inside. Immediately she was a bit insulted and replied, Sure, it Seiko inside. What you think I do you? Friend did not buy (surprise), but the clerk was, indeed, number 1 (in Yankee talk - a 10+). Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: question on self-winders for the watch geeks for the sake of simplicity, cost and shock resistance, seiko did not put a manual wind function on this watch On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:04 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not one of the watch geeks, but I've owned a couple of self winders -- Omega and Mido. On mine, you turn the stem to wind it, pull out the stem to set the time, and push the stem in from the default position to increment the date one day at a time. IIRC, 30 secinds of shacking won't wind it much. However, the manual wind function should let you get at least a day out of it. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Hursty et al.---I just bought a nice old Seiko on eBay. See attached picture. First self-winding watch I've had. It was stopped when I got it (mailed from Florida to Oregon, so it had plenty of time to run down). I set the time and date (is there a shortcut to setting the day of the week other than running the hands all the way around the dial over and over?) and shook it gently for 30 seconds or so to wind it up (feeling the pendulum or whatever it is jiggle back and forth inside as I did so). Then I set it down. I looked at it about eight hours later and it had evidently run for about four hours, then stopped. Is this normal? How long can you expect a self-winding watch to run if it's not on your wrist? If not normal, does this thing just need cleaning and lubrication, or something more---and how much can I expect to spend to get it up to specs? Alex -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: seiko.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42404 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100103/d562fd84/attachment.jpe ___ -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB prices, then and now
Dwight wrote: The sticker for my 1990 300D 2.5 t says $39,9xx. I bought it used but was surprised at the sticker price-esp. when I ran the same kind of inflation analysis that OK Don did.. I think all the factors you identify might be contributors in part-but I personally think you have to look at Chrysler's influence too. Moving the brand from up market to mid market-at least the E class-and probably the C class too. And letting marketing not engineering make decisions. May be just a bias on my part, but you could partially test this hypothesis by checking other German luxury brand prices over the same period of time. Snook? My car originally sold for just a hair under $65,000 in 1997. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced
Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh, yeah. Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of the way, I guess I don't really understand how the pump moves. I got 'er though. Then getting the stupid alternator tight enough... And of course just now I realize I haven't tightened the alternator mount bolt... Crap. Oh well, I took it for a ride and that went well enough so a quick tightening and it'll be really done. The engine isn't wet with coolant anymore either. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own assessment of that car. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:50 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** United States *** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ***** ** ** ** ** * On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 100104 2.797 2.827 2.935 2.932 2.772 2.771 2.750 2.746 2.908 2.959 091228 2.732 2.749 2.862 2.857 2.693 2.707 2.689 2.728 2.841 2.902 091221 2.726 2.740 2.853 2.841 2.687 2.708 2.680 2.740 2.825 2.891 091214 2.748 2.769 2.870 2.868 2.717 2.720 2.699 2.783 2.855 2.915 091207 2.772 2.792 2.874 2.896 2.740 2.742 2.726 2.806 2.884 2.942 091130 2.775 2.792 2.869 2.900 2.738 2.748 2.724 2.817 2.888 2.948 091123 2.787 2.803 2.868 2.907 2.753 2.762 2.738 2.825 2.896 2.954 091116 2.790 2.808 2.868 2.912 2.759 2.769 2.733 2.820 2.899 2.964 091109 2.801 2.821 2.866 2.926 2.772 2.779 2.746 2.823 2.909 2.972 091102 2.808 2.834 2.878 2.940 2.785 2.786 2.749 2.810 2.910 2.974 091026 2.801 2.819 2.843 2.923 2.773 2.790 2.740 2.776 2.904 2.968 091019 2.705 2.716 2.752 2.831 2.664 2.693 2.644 2.704 2.822 2.874 091012 2.600 2.610 2.690 2.723 2.554 2.581 2.530 2.650 2.732 2.791 091005 2.582 2.586 2.686 2.698 2.529 2.561 2.518 2.645 2.722 2.792 090928 2.601 2.607 2.703 2.714 2.552 2.585 2.525 2.658 2.742 2.807 090921 2.622 2.631 2.708 2.738 2.578 2.598 2.542 2.678 2.783 2.827 090914 2.634 2.650 2.720 2.755 2.599 2.607 2.555 2.683 2.795 2.847 090907 2.647 2.658 2.729 2.768 2.604 2.628 2.575 2.682 2.786 2.866 090831 2.674 2.691 2.742 2.779 2.649 2.649 2.618 2.692 2.802 2.893 090824 2.668 2.692 2.741 2.781 2.649 2.637 2.622 2.671 2.785 2.880 090817 2.652 2.687 2.739 2.771 2.646 2.623 2.607 2.633 2.744 2.872 090810 2.625 2.665 2.701 2.755 2.624 2.601 2.581 2.573 2.700 2.842 090803 2.550 2.579 2.637 2.671 2.535 2.520 2.513 2.537 2.643 2.763 090727 2.528 2.550 2.613 2.643 2.505 2.500 2.493 2.540 2.617 2.720 090720 2.496 2.514 2.600 2.630 2.456 2.470 2.443 2.559 2.595 2.703 090713 2.542 2.559 2.623 2.663 2.508 2.512 2.494 2.619 2.641 2.727 090706 2.594 2.609 2.656 2.714 2.560 2.565 2.547 2.648 2.706 2.787 090629 2.608 2.629 2.666 2.726 2.584 2.578 2.569 2.631 2.712 2.785 090622 2.616 2.634 2.670 2.730 2.590 2.587 2.583 2.614 2.720 2.789 090615 2.572 2.601 2.651 2.696 2.556 2.546 2.543 2.520 2.655 2.734 090608 2.498 2.516 2.566 2.619 2.468 2.474 2.474 2.442 2.603 2.676 090601 2.352 2.369 2.438 2.457 2.326 2.322 2.323 2.343 2.460 2.502 090525 2.274 2.305 2.409 2.410 2.251 2.229 2.242 2.302 2.384 2.407 090518 2.231 2.276 2.401 2.396 2.213 2.170 2.210 2.274 2.340 2.354 090511 2.216 2.255 2.395 2.386 2.186 2.156 2.198 2.270 2.329 2.337 090504 2.185 2.226 2.382 2.365 2.152 2.124 2.153 2.262 2.306 2.316 090427 2.201 2.241 2.395 2.374 2.171 2.142 2.171 2.270 2.315 2.320 090420 2.221 2.264 2.403 2.392 2.197 2.166 2.186 2.274 2.327 2.340 090413 2.229 2.273 2.420 2.402 2.204 2.175 2.202 2.250 2.336 2.350 090406 2.228 2.279 2.429 2.419 2.205 2.178 2.210 2.213 2.311 2.335 090330 2.221 2.281 2.424 2.399 2.218 2.176 2.203 2.146 2.282 2.297 090323 2.090 2.166 2.403 2.315 2.081 2.038 2.060 2.036 2.150 2.129 090316 2.017 2.093 2.403 2.254 1.995 1.965 1.973 1.988 2.091 2.049 090309 2.045 2.122 2.434 2.287 2.022 1.988 2.006 2.017 2.120 2.075 090302 2.087 2.153 2.472 2.314 2.055 2.030 2.043 2.091 2.185 2.144 090223 2.130 2.199 2.514 2.368 2.098 2.071 2.074 2.158 2.238 2.219 090216 2.186 2.250 2.559 2.420 2.148 2.137 2.133 2.183 2.284 2.262 090209 2.219 2.296 2.576 2.450 2.205 2.173 2.156 2.211 2.292 2.269 090202 2.246 2.325 2.583 2.484 2.233 2.201 2.189 2.229 2.303 2.288 090126 2.268 2.344 2.595 2.490
Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced
Way to go , Curt. As you now, that alternator belt will need frequent tightening -I think we have discussed the squeal feature before. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:52 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh, yeah. Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of the way, I guess I don't really understand how the pump moves. I got 'er though. Then getting the stupid alternator tight enough... And of course just now I realize I haven't tightened the alternator mount bolt... Crap. Oh well, I took it for a ride and that went well enough so a quick tightening and it'll be really done. The engine isn't wet with coolant anymore either. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:55:18 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 00a301ca8d67$13f435c0$3bdca1...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:55:18 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: 00a301ca8d67$13f435c0$3bdca1...@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Yesterday morning at 14F I fired my OM602 off with only one glow-barely turned a revolution. Different from the other OM 616 I had which I would double glow in the teens and sometimes triple glow when the single digits arrived. I do have block heater on the 300D (OM 602) but don't use it or need to. On my current 240D I have a jury rigged manual GP relay system-Fred recognizes the relay as a Ford relay of some kind. Anyway I just hold the button for 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds-also can use it as an afterglow of sorts for a little bit. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this?
In another post I sent an attachment and a what is this query. Its 9k too big (49k vs Kaleb's 40k limit) so it maybe hasn't come through yet. But anyway, heres the little devil on eBay. http://tinyurl.com/y8glkf9 Oil breather tank I'd forgotten that the thing sits right over a pipe down into the oil pan... So it takes excess oil from the valve cover and intake and sends it back? Mine seems to leak, at least theres oil all over behind and under it which makes me think it puts the oil there, no particular amount of oil on it though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
Yup - both of trhem are fine cars! I think the 92 actually leaks more oil than it burns - from the front crankshaft seal, and perhaps the injection pump o-ring. The rest of the engine is dry and clean. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
I've stopped worrying about the temperature since I started driving 60x engines and running M1 -- they just start regardless of the temp -- at least down to 0. One glow, and off you go. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement
You have bad glow plugs or something else wrong -- my 87 300D fires up with 2 seconds of cranking (or less) at 6F after waiting for the glow plug light to go out, then another 5-10 sec. Fires on all six, too. If your GP lamp isn't coming on or is flashing, you have at least one and probably more than one bad (open or high resistance) GP. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this?
That is a vortex oil separator, and yes, it removes oil mist from the blowby and returns it to the pan. Two failures: The seal in the pipe and the foot valve -- if the valve sticks or the blowby pipe is clogged up, oil will spill out and make a mess. I believe there is also a seal inside, but since I don't have one, I'm not sure. At any rate, the oil should all go down the pipe into the engine, not outside. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB prices, then and now
yea, they suckered in a few people I guess. Donald Snook wrote: Dwight wrote: The sticker for my 1990 300D 2.5 t says $39,9xx. I bought it used but was surprised at the sticker price-esp. when I ran the same kind of inflation analysis that OK Don did.. I think all the factors you identify might be contributors in part-but I personally think you have to look at Chrysler's influence too. Moving the brand from up market to mid market-at least the E class-and probably the C class too. And letting marketing not engineering make decisions. May be just a bias on my part, but you could partially test this hypothesis by checking other German luxury brand prices over the same period of time. Snook? My car originally sold for just a hair under $65,000 in 1997. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 02:24:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
well at 300 whatever K, you cant blame it for burning a little oil. Heck, it might be leaking more than burning, I cant remember if it was leaking anything when I had it. Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 02:24:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
when you have a 2.5, NEVER sell it unless you get a better 2.5. Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own assessment of that car. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:50 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 02:24:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
my process when I had 61x cars that I HAD to start was to turn key on till light goes off 3 times, on the 3rd time, wait 30 seconds after the light goes off, then start cranking till it starts. Dont let up because you probably will not get a 2nd chance. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What is this thing?
In doing the water pump I had to remove a mystery item from my '83 240D. It lives in front of the air filter and has a hose that comes from the intake manifold and another from the top of the valve cover. It feels like is made of foam and seems to have holes or casting irregularities in the bottom. It also seems like it leaks oil. Its got oil on it and everything below and behind it is covered with oil. That oil has been a mystery to me for awhile since theres really nowhere else it could come from. Older cars don't seem to have it (or at least not the ones I could find on eBay) they seem to have the two hoses connected. Something in the back of my mind says oil separator but don't let that lead you anywhere. I've attached a pic (eBay is good for something) for reference. So questions: 1. Are these known to leak oil? 2. Where do I get a replacement? Kaleb? 3. Could I just put a longer hose and take the whole thing out? Thanks! -Curt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: what_am_I.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35299 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100104/2ed139db/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]
** ** ** * **** * * *** United States *** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ***** ** ** ** ** * RETAIL GASOLINE: (Self Service Prices per Gallon, Including Taxes) This report contains price estimates for gasoline sold in ozone non-attainment areas which require the sale of reformulated gasoline (RFG) as designated by the Environmental Protection Agency, and Conventional areas which includes both attainment areas and carbon monoxide non-attainment areas. Mogas web site url http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/fwd/wrgp.html --- 2010 --- Date 11/16 11/23 11/30 12/7 12/14 12/21 12/281/4 National Price - All Grades Average 2.684 2.694 2.684 2.689 2.655 2.645 2.662 2.718 Conventional Areas 2.638 2.655 2.646 2.653 2.613 2.599 2.616 2.677 RFG Areas 2.778 2.773 2.763 2.763 2.742 2.739 2.754 2.802 National Price - Regular Average 2.629 2.639 2.629 2.634 2.599 2.589 2.607 2.665 Conventional Areas 2.585 2.603 2.594 2.601 2.560 2.546 2.564 2.627 RFG Areas 2.720 2.714 2.704 2.703 2.681 2.679 2.696 2.745 National Price - Midgrade Average 2.755 2.764 2.754 2.761 2.727 2.717 2.731 2.784 Conventional Areas 2.697 2.713 2.704 2.715 2.672 2.658 2.673 2.730 RFG Areas 2.867 2.862 2.851 2.851 2.835 2.829 2.843 2.889 National Price - Premium Average 2.877 2.883 2.875 2.882 2.849 2.839 2.853 2.905 Conventional Areas 2.835 2.846 2.840 2.849 2.809 2.796 2.811 2.869 RFG Areas 2.955 2.951 2.941 2.942 2.925 2.918 2.930 2.972 ++ All GradesDate 11/16 11/23 11/30 12/7 12/14 12/21 12/281/4 ++ PADD 1 - East Coast Average 2.705 2.704 2.701 2.713 2.684 2.664 2.670 2.720 Conventional Areas 2.704 2.705 2.701 2.717 2.682 2.661 2.666 2.724 RFG Areas 2.708 2.703 2.702 2.707 2.687 2.669 2.677 2.713 PADD 1a - New England Average 2.730 2.725 2.719 2.728 2.703 2.682 2.691 2.737 Conventional Areas 2.764 2.766 2.758 2.762 2.738 2.705 2.718 2.775 RFG Areas 2.721 2.714 2.710 2.719 2.694 2.676 2.684 2.727 PADD 1b - Central Atlantic Average 2.755 2.748 2.743 2.753 2.727 2.706 2.712 2.754 Conventional Areas 2.823 2.810 2.795 2.816 2.778 2.754 2.757 2.812 RFG Areas 2.713 2.710 2.711 2.713 2.696 2.677 2.684 2.719 PADD 1c - Lower Atlantic Average 2.661 2.666 2.665 2.680 2.647 2.628 2.633 2.690 Conventional Areas 2.663 2.669 2.668 2.683 2.649 2.630 2.635 2.694 RFG Areas 2.641 2.637 2.633 2.640 2.625 2.611 2.616 2.647 PADD 2 - Midwest Average 2.579 2.616 2.604 2.601 2.550 2.560 2.593 2.671 Conventional Areas 2.567 2.607 2.595 2.594 2.542 2.547 2.580 2.659 RFG Areas 2.653 2.676 2.661 2.648 2.608 2.642 2.673 2.752 PADD 3 - Gulf Coast Average 2.557 2.566 2.555 2.575 2.532 2.502 2.523 2.582 Conventional Areas 2.565 2.576 2.564 2.586 2.541 2.509 2.530 2.589 RFG Areas 2.531 2.532 2.523 2.538 2.499 2.479 2.501 2.557 PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain Conventional Areas 2.649 2.632 2.619 2.606 2.586 2.553 2.547 2.556 PADD 5 - West Coast Average 2.944 2.932 2.916 2.911 2.900 2.898 2.911 2.952 Conventional Areas 2.861 2.866 2.859 2.857 2.842 2.820 2.819 2.842 RFG Areas 2.977 2.959 2.939 2.933 2.923 2.930 2.949 2.996 PADD 5b - West Coast less CA Average 2.823 2.828 2.817 2.819 2.800 2.782 2.781 2.797 Conventional Areas 2.861 2.866 2.859 2.857 2.842 2.820 2.819 2.842 RFG Areas 2.639 2.645 2.617 2.639 2.602 2.603 2.602 2.578 California RFG Areas 3.009 2.989 2.969 2.961 2.953 2.960 2.981 3.035 Colorado Conventional Areas 2.591 2.572 2.555 2.549 2.528 2.496 2.499 2.519 Florida Conventional Areas 2.736 2.728 2.724 2.743 2.694 2.689 2.690 2.746 Massachusetts RFG Areas 2.673 2.658 2.655 2.663 2.645 2.627 2.643 2.677 Minnesota Conventional Areas 2.618 2.616 2.580 2.551 2.519 2.529 2.589 2.670 New York State Average 2.905 2.907 2.899 2.908 2.889 2.874 2.883 2.907 Conventional Areas 2.883 2.892 2.870 2.893 2.869 2.851 2.861 2.890 RFG Areas
Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced
Well it needed frequent (like monthly) tightening over the last year but the belt was b-a-d bad. Had a couple chunks missing even. With the new belt I don't think it'll be that frequent, it didn't used to be. Of course there was that period where it was getting a new alternator every 3 months... ;) -Curt BTW I had remembered to tighten the bolt, just forgot that I had remembered... I checked it and it was tight. Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:12:54 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced Message-ID: 00ab01ca8d7a$4ce65350$e6b2f9...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Way to go , Curt. As you now, that alternator belt will need frequent tightening -I think we have discussed the squeal feature before. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:52 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh, yeah. Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of the way, I guess I don't really understand how the pump moves. I got 'er though. Then getting the stupid alternator tight enough... And of course just now I realize I haven't tightened the alternator mount bolt... Crap. Oh well, I took it for a ride and that went well enough so a quick tightening and it'll be really done. The engine isn't wet with coolant anymore either. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it, if I'd only turned the power on to open the window the thunk will scare the bejezus out of me! Having the valves set recently helps too as does running the car hard so its not all carboned up. Some years ago I had my friend's 116 300SD for a couple days. When I got it it sounded like the battery was dying (sounded like it was cranking slow I mean) so as a good friend I figured I'd clean the battery cables just in case. That didn't help so I swapped in the battery from my 240D which made no difference. So I shrugged my shoulders and put his battery back in. The car was his wife's and she mostly just made little trips to the store or to school with the kids or whatever. I drove it home from work and then out to dinner in a distant town with my wife and for a couple other things. The thing I noticed about it (and I've been told is common on the 116) is that it wanted to get into top gear really quick so I started dropping the shifter down a gear (I forget what its marked, I haven't driven an auto MB since I drove Fred's 190D) around town. When I started the car to return it I noticed that it sounded better. On the way back to work to return it I noticed it drove better, seemed to have more power too. My friend commented the next day that it was like I'd brought him a new car and wanted to know what I did. I told him to tell his wife to not have it in drive around town... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:31:12 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold Message-ID: bc94d7931001041231n674ecf38l72c5ee0c892b5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for reminding everyone of this, Curt... the light is only a suggested glow time. The glow continues for much longer after the light goes out. You can hear when the glow stops... the relay goes clunk!. My normal cold starting procedure for a OM616 or 617 is to glow until the relay clunks off, then start cranking with my foot on the pedal... don't stop cranking until it starts. 30 seconds or longer... whatever it takes. The cranking will slowly get faster and faster. The owners manual clearly states long cranking is recommended. If you stop, you might not have enough juice to glow and crank again. I've started OM617s well into the single digits with conventional oil... its all about the long glow, followed by the long crank. And having a good battery and starter, of course. Jaime '95 E320 - whatever '82 300Dt - new starter... starts well this year so far '79 300SD - in the heated garage until spring On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never found a temp yet that my 601 won't start at. Might find out this winter... I used to fart around with double glow in the 240D, lately I've been just glowing and waiting another 20 seconds or so after the light goes out, then crank until it starts which so far it always does even down in the teens. Thats with conventional oil. If I can get another leak or two fixed I'll put the Mobil 1 to it and not worry down to 0F... I do use the block heater at home, I've got a timer setup which is super handy... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this?
Do the develop cracks? I think I'm going to tape a paper towel around mine and drive around a little and see if I can tell if its leaking from the effect on the paper towel... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:34:32 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is this? Message-ID: a9196ada-a506-4928-8d21-9cd70c06a...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That is a vortex oil separator, and yes, it removes oil mist from the blowby and returns it to the pan. Two failures: The seal in the pipe and the foot valve -- if the valve sticks or the blowby pipe is clogged up, oil will spill out and make a mess. I believe there is also a seal inside, but since I don't have one, I'm not sure. At any rate, the oil should all go down the pipe into the engine, not outside. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced
Oddly enough, I've determined my alternator needs replacing on the 300D. The bearing is going out enough that the car barely starts and, unless you keep your foot in it at idle, it dies and stops fast and hard. I didn't think that an alternator had enough umph to stop a diesel engine cold. Bob R On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Well it needed frequent (like monthly) tightening over the last year but the belt was b-a-d bad. Had a couple chunks missing even. With the new belt I don't think it'll be that frequent, it didn't used to be. Of course there was that period where it was getting a new alternator every 3 months... ;) -Curt BTW I had remembered to tighten the bolt, just forgot that I had remembered... I checked it and it was tight. Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:12:54 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced Message-ID: 00ab01ca8d7a$4ce65350$e6b2f9...@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Way to go , Curt. As you now, that alternator belt will need frequent tightening -I think we have discussed the squeal feature before. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:52 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh, yeah. Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of the way, I guess I don't really understand how the pump moves. I got 'er though. Then getting the stupid alternator tight enough... And of course just now I realize I haven't tightened the alternator mount bolt... Crap. Oh well, I took it for a ride and that went well enough so a quick tightening and it'll be really done. The engine isn't wet with coolant anymore either. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
Ditto's, mine just keeps getting better better - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report when you have a 2.5, NEVER sell it unless you get a better 2.5. Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own assessment of that car. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:50 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 02:24:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement
Sometimes the timer in the GP Relay don't stay on for as long as it should so the GPs don't heat long enough. The GPs in W123s and W124s should reach 1500F-1700F within 12-17 sec.The relay for my 78 240D didn't stay on long enough making it hard to start when cold A new relay fixed that. The WSMs have a chart showing the time to temp curve. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement You have bad glow plugs or something else wrong -- my 87 300D fires up with 2 seconds of cranking (or less) at 6F after waiting for the glow plug light to go out, then another 5-10 sec. Fires on all six, too. If your GP lamp isn't coming on or is flashing, you have at least one and probably more than one bad (open or high resistance) GP. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report
AMEN. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report when you have a 2.5, NEVER sell it unless you get a better 2.5. Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: And I never intend to sell mine. These testimonies are reinforcing my own assessment of that car. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:50 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T update report Kaleb wrote: I sure miss that car. Well, I really miss the 90 300D I sold OK Don AND it was a better car than this 92. It had fewer miles and didn't burn oil! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2599 - Release Date: 01/04/10 02:24:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive??? Eyegore! Blucher! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 7:50 AM, LarryT wrote: Give him a sedagive??? What a great line from the funniest movie of all time! Others to jar your memory - Werewolf? There wolf, there tree. great knockers! Why thank you doctor. LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
Curt, I don't think my 78 has one of those. want me to check tomorrow and send you a picture? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:11 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] What is this thing? In doing the water pump I had to remove a mystery item from my '83 240D. It lives in front of the air filter and has a hose that comes from the intake manifold and another from the top of the valve cover. It feels like is made of foam and seems to have holes or casting irregularities in the bottom. It also seems like it leaks oil. Its got oil on it and everything below and behind it is covered with oil. That oil has been a mystery to me for awhile since theres really nowhere else it could come from. Older cars don't seem to have it (or at least not the ones I could find on eBay) they seem to have the two hoses connected. Something in the back of my mind says oil separator but don't let that lead you anywhere. I've attached a pic (eBay is good for something) for reference. So questions: 1. Are these known to leak oil? 2. Where do I get a replacement? Kaleb? 3. Could I just put a longer hose and take the whole thing out? Thanks! -Curt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: what_am_I.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35299 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100104/2e d139db/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement
I checked mine per the WSM - not what you did though - and when I removed the old ones and turned them upside down I saw the rubber was cracked badly. Maybe the steelbar test is more accurate? Replacing all the rubber is my plan (slowly) too. I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB Parts -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement Checked them, used a 1/2 inch bar and slid it between edge of mount and frame, and both sides passed that test. Still, I'm tempted to replace them as well as the rest of the drive train rubber just to see how quiet she'll get. That may be a project for a warmer time. Last two mornings we've had temps in the mid 20's here, which is pretty darn cold for Charleston. This a.m. it was 27 deg F. Glowed the '87 once until the glow plug relay shut off, then re-started the relay, let her glow for another 20 seconds or so and she fired up fairly quickly. Big cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belttensionerreplacement you wrote recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or Check the motor mounts, as they collapse the exhaust will contact the chassis and make a lot of noise.. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessory belt tensionerreplacement Dieselvolk, Finished the job last night, and I am VERY pleased with the reduction in noise from the engine bay. I'd read about others reporting such happy news, I'm glad to add my name to that list. I have known this needed replacement for the last 10k miles or so, and ordered the part about two years ago from BuyMBparts.COM way back then. The pulley wheel was just out of the plane of the rest of the pulleys and the belt, and by carefully pushing on the lever with a stick I could make a change to the engine's noise at idle. However, recently the car developed some really nasty noises at around 900 RPM that I was convinced were due to a loose exhaust bit or some other piece of the motor that was loose. I'd also order the 8mm stubby hex in socket form 'special tool' for R/R the viscous fan clutch. It is too stubby in my opinion for loosening the screw, but just fine for applying 45 Nm of torque. I needed a strap wrench to hold the pulley still for the R/R of the fan clutch. In addition to the lack of a 12mm hex, there was one other problem. The new tensioner did not come with an end cap, so I'll need to order one of those. Rather irritating that the cap didn't come with it. I fashioned a temporary cover from a piece of Tyvek-like material and a zip tie; that should keep the road grime out of the pivot bearing workings until a new cap arrives. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 318k miles '95 E300 274k miles project '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
Thats an oil separator. It filters the oil from the ventilation off the valve cover and drains in back into the oil pan, if I remember correctly. I remember replacing in on my '82 240D back in college. I bought it at the dealer I think, and it wasn't expensive. This isn't the kind of thing you want to buy used. Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In doing the water pump I had to remove a mystery item from my '83 240D. It lives in front of the air filter and has a hose that comes from the intake manifold and another from the top of the valve cover. It feels like is made of foam and seems to have holes or casting irregularities in the bottom. It also seems like it leaks oil. Its got oil on it and everything below and behind it is covered with oil. That oil has been a mystery to me for awhile since theres really nowhere else it could come from. Older cars don't seem to have it (or at least not the ones I could find on eBay) they seem to have the two hoses connected. Something in the back of my mind says oil separator but don't let that lead you anywhere. I've attached a pic (eBay is good for something) for reference. So questions: 1. Are these known to leak oil? 2. Where do I get a replacement? Kaleb? 3. Could I just put a longer hose and take the whole thing out? Thanks! -Curt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: what_am_I.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35299 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100104/2ed139db/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
If you cook a starting doing this, the starter needed replacement anyway. Its a good idea to replace an iffy starter before winter sets in. I just did this with my 300D. (Laying on the ground when it was 25 degrees out... I waited a bit too long). Car turns over much better now in ~20 degree cold. Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... Didn't somebody cook a starter doing that last month? Clay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] After Action Report - '87 300TD accessorybelttensionerreplacement
One or the tranny, two for the bracket that supports the exhaust pipe. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I assume there are rubber mounts for the tranny also? Time to visit MB Parts -- LarryT 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Give him a sedagive???
LarryT, et al. Walk this way Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/4/2010 8:32 PM, LarryT wrote: HAHAHA - I wonder if everyone is getting a kick out of this like we are? Or if they know what we're talking about? ;-) LarryT (Blucher) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an '82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:20 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is this thing? Message-ID: 00e901ca8da7$581d98f0$0858ca...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Curt, I don't think my 78 has one of those. want me to check tomorrow and send you a picture? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
I realize I have a picture of my '82 under the hood: http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_08_20_240DEngine/engine3.jpg Jaime On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an '82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:20 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] What is this thing? Message-ID: 00e901ca8da7$581d98f0$0858ca...@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Curt, I don't think my 78 has one of those. want me to check tomorrow and send you a picture? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Mustang reunion story
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500 What a great story - perhaps a little over wrought - but great. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
It was on the 82-83 Curt Raymond wrote: I think it might be an '83 only thing on the 240D. I don't have any pics of an '82 to compare it to but did find an '81 on eBay that didn't seem to have it. -Curt -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mustang reunion story
Thanks, Don! Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mustang reunion story http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500 What a great story - perhaps a little over wrought - but great. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is this thing?
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:46:27 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Thats an oil separator. It filters the oil from the ventilation off the valve cover and drains in back into the oil pan, if I remember correctly. You remember correctly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mustang reunion story
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:35:40 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434br=500 What a great story - perhaps a little over wrought - but great. My browser brings up the page, but no video. How do I view it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] glowing in the cold
For giggles, I just tried starting the 240D with -5F temps outside, and -15F when I woke up this morning. The block heater has been plugged in non-stop for at least the last week and the car was driven on Christmas day. 60 seconds preglow, cranked a while (did NOT crank until the battery died) and no start. If I really had to drive it, I'd do several 60 seconds preglows and then go for broke. But hey ... it is OLD, only one year younger than my oldest kid! At its age, I don't expect miracles. It is a senior citizen and deserves to be treated as such. That is why I drive a 300E in this sort of temps. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:46:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yup crank until you win or crash... I find that if I'm waiting for the relay I'll never hear it ... Leave the door ajar so the interior light is on. When the glow plug relay drops out, the interior light will get noticably brighter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D alternator belt replaced
i like my local carquest guy. he's an old time parts guy and can get lots of nice stuff fast and cheap. his store supplies many of the shops on the main drag between stone mountain and snellville and he is the only guy in teh area i can deal with. the big chains aer completely lost. i walked into an autozone and asked where they kept hte techron and no one in the place had ever heard of such a product. it's really sad. it's getting harder and harder to find a good napa or independent as well On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Stopped at Car Quest and got a new alternator belt today. The guy there amazed me when I explained that there were two lengths You need the longer one. Uhh, yeah. Replacement is easy except I had a helluva time getting the PS pump belt out of the way, I guess I don't really understand how the pump moves. I got 'er though. Then getting the stupid alternator tight enough... And of course just now I realize I haven't tightened the alternator mount bolt... Crap. Oh well, I took it for a ride and that went well enough so a quick tightening and it'll be really done. The engine isn't wet with coolant anymore either. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL Portland, OR: Surplus WWII anti-aircraft searchlight and other goodies
When I was in college, I bought a 66 bronco and put a blade on it. For lights while plowing, I had two cheap fog lights mounted on a bar on top. I took one of the bulbs out and went shopping at NAPA. Seems as there is a size of aircraft landing light that is the same size (4 round) A pair of those really lit up the parking lot I was working on. For driving, I had another set of 4 driving lights. Once in a while, when someone tried to blind me with their lights, I too would flip on the off-road lights for a sec or two. It always made the offending driver submissive. When ever I lit them up, people paid attention. I had a pair of Dick Cepek (?) 100W off-roaders on my old Blazer, they would throw a pretty tight beam at least a mile down the beach. If some beemer driver refused to turn off the aux lights after a flash of my brights I would light them up with those things, which I had aimed just so... You want aux lights? I'll show you some aux lights. --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:33:24 -0500 Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: Alles. Tired of oncoming headlights blinding you? Who needs Euro lights, this would do very well! Though I suspect the Boys and Girls in Blue would object, after they stopped laughing! When I was in college, a friend worked for a plating company making hand-held light units that used their nickle-deposition-plated deep parabolic reflectors. The flashlights had the electronics to power a 100 watt short-arc xenon lamp that had its arc at the focus of of the parabola. We went up one night on the roof of the engineering building on campus and could see it lighting up buildings in downtown Pasadena, CA, three miles away. It was visible over all of the light from all of the sources of a brightly lit up downtown area. My friend went with another friend on a car rally and had the second fellow hold the light on his lap. He later said he was really tempted to have the second fellow shine it down the road at the people who refused to dim their lights. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
Peter, I did not make that transplant, but I did make a 616 transplant in place of an OM621. The block castings have some major differences. I suspect the oil filter mount in the 615 is the same as the 621. What I had to do was to make a plate for the block, and a plate for the oil filter assembly, then connect them via 3 hoses. Another big difference: 621 and 615 crank and flywheel are balanced as unit. 616 is balanced separately. Transmissions do NOT bolt up. I had to use the 621 back plate, use the 621 flywheel and grind off MAJOR amounts of iron to get it to balance. (621 and 615 flywheels have a counterweight cast in) The other major problem was that one side of the motor mount bolts in the block was offset by about 3 inches. I won't say it can't be done, but it IS a MAJOR project. It is likely easier/cheaper to rebuild the 615 engine. Other problems might include the intake manifold/aircleaner and throttle linkage. If you want, I know where there is a low hour OM615 engine for sale, but it is in the US. If your friend is interested, contact me off-list. I'm sure it can be done with a little surgery , I have a friend that has a toasted 240D in a W115 chassis and now wants to replace it with a W123 240D engine. I know the oil filter housing from the W123 will not fit - but can one transfer the oil filter unit from the broken engine to the new one? Any other issues PEter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fitting a 240D W123 engine in to W115
You have to make a pate for both the block and the oil filter housing, then you can moiunt the filter remote. It is never as good as having the right blok, because there is always a danger of the hose being worn through, caught , or leaking from age and causing a catastrophic failure. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The block is completely different, you cant mount the old filter on the But you should be able to cut the base off the new filter, adapt hose fittings to it, bolt it to the block, and run a remote filter somewhere Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
