Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Kevin Kraly]

A car can be perfectly fine after an accident with the replacement of only 
front sheet metal.  For a few years during the early 80's, our car was a 
1972 Pinto Station Wagon.  Dad picked it up for $200 since it had been hit 
head-on.  Within a weekend, he installed a new radiator and a front clip off 
a 1974 Pinto, and though it was a different color, it was rock solid.  It 
never left us stranded, and he still made a profit on it 4 years later!  It 
had the 2000CC OHC engine with an automatic transmission, slow but 
determined!


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Kevin Kraly]

There was a '92 for sale locally here in Hillsboro, and it was gone within a 
day.  The asking price was $4800, but it only had 190K miles.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] My new used OM603 head

[Dieselhead]

Failure to follow the prescribed maintenance and use the prescribed juices.

in plain speak: Green antifriz and not changing it out frequently.


Dieselvolk,



Today my new-to-me OM603 head arrived (#17), so I spent some time inspecting
it and getting it ready for the shop to re-do the valve seals. 




The only thing I see that I don't really like is some pitting in five places
on the mating surface, between all the oil and water passages and not near
anything really.  Pictures to follow.



Anyone have an opinion on pitting in areas where it doesn't seem to be near
anything?





Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 333k miles

'95 E300 288k miles

'73 Balboa 20





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[MBZ] My new used OM603 head

[Max Dillon]

Dieselvolk,

 

Today my new-to-me OM603 head arrived (#17), so I spent some time inspecting
it and getting it ready for the shop to re-do the valve seals.  

 

The only thing I see that I don't really like is some pitting in five places
on the mating surface, between all the oil and water passages and not near
anything really.  Pictures to follow.

 

Anyone have an opinion on pitting in areas where it doesn't seem to be near
anything?

 

 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 333k miles

'95 E300 288k miles 

'73 Balboa 20

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Wallet Wonderings

[Max Dillon]

Don't forget your AFDB either... ;)

-Max

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Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Wallet Wonderings

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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[OK Don]

It looks just like the '90 2.5 Turbo I bought from Snook, and might possibly
be even cleaner. It might be worth the price if it has a lot of
maintenance/repair records.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Wrong, 2.5 turbo diesel. Nice car!
> --


OK Don
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1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Dieselhead]

That is a sickness, you know!



When I see an unrestored car I only think about what it would take to make
it perfect...

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


 Restored cars are one thing... but with a car like a W108, they're almost
 never done right.  And when they're done wrong, they're worthless to most.

 The real interesting and valuable cars are the original, unrestored ones.


 > Jaime
 >


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Re: [MBZ] W108 parts - was Jaime?

[Dieselhead]

I have a 108 wiper motor somewhere I'd like to sell.



 > andrew strasfogel wrote:


 Ordinary W108 sedans are not worth nearly that much unless
 they are close to 100 percent restored.


Speaking of W108...

I found a kingpin and eccentric bolt from when I owned a W108.
I replaced one side, so this is the new parts for the other side.

Since I don't have a W108 anymore - nor expect I will own one
again - is there anyone here interested is these?

Cover shipping and I'll mail them to you.  Probably about $15 USPS.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[andrew strasfogel]

When I see an unrestored car I only think about what it would take to make
it perfect...

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Restored cars are one thing... but with a car like a W108, they're almost
> never done right.  And when they're done wrong, they're worthless to most.
>
> The real interesting and valuable cars are the original, unrestored ones.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, andrew strasfogel  >wrote:
>
> > Ordinary W108 sedans are not worth nearly that much unless they are close
> > to
> > 100 percent restored.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Michael Canfield  >
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> > > > What are they saying?  "Not a car you would drive daily."???
> > > >
> > > > Really?  Why not?
> > > >
> > >
> > > My thought too.  As many here will attest a /8 makes a perfectly good
> > > daily driver.  Maybe not on a hot summer day in stop-and-go traffic,
> > > but I'd say the same about any older manual-transmission car.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Restored cars are one thing... but with a car like a W108, they're almost
never done right.  And when they're done wrong, they're worthless to most.

The real interesting and valuable cars are the original, unrestored ones.

Jaime


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Ordinary W108 sedans are not worth nearly that much unless they are close
> to
> 100 percent restored.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Michael Canfield 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > What are they saying?  "Not a car you would drive daily."???
> > >
> > > Really?  Why not?
> > >
> >
> > My thought too.  As many here will attest a /8 makes a perfectly good
> > daily driver.  Maybe not on a hot summer day in stop-and-go traffic,
> > but I'd say the same about any older manual-transmission car.
> >
> > Alex
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W108 parts - was Jaime?

[Fmiser]

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Ordinary W108 sedans are not worth nearly that much unless
> they are close to 100 percent restored.

Speaking of W108...

I found a kingpin and eccentric bolt from when I owned a W108.
I replaced one side, so this is the new parts for the other side.

Since I don't have a W108 anymore - nor expect I will own one
again - is there anyone here interested is these?

Cover shipping and I'll mail them to you.  Probably about $15 USPS.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Wallet Wonderings

[Mitch Haley]

rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:
_RFID  Blocking Secure Wallet w/ 12 card slots-Identity Stronghold_ 
(http://www.idstronghold.com/RFID-Blocking-Secure-Wallet-w_-12-card-slots-IDSH7001-0
01-/productinfo/IDSH7001/)  
 
Due to these scanning times that we live in ,you might want to  check this 
out. I wrap my passport in aluminum foil so no one can scan my  RFID. This 
wallet might be good for your credit cards.


Interesting thought.

Maybe I'll make a tinfoil hat for my Chase card and try to do a Blink 
transaction with it.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Wallet Wonderings

[RDeafBoy]

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Bob  "83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM,   wrote:
>> I have had good experiences with Progressive, including the lowest
>> premium,
>> although GEICO is now slightly cheaper
>>
> Just recently I attended a tech presentation at a local high end body shop
> (http://www.hauryscollision.com/) and the subject of paying for proper
> repairs vs cornercutting (take it or leave it) came up and the two worst
> companies for claim payment were Progressive and Geico. Followed by Farmers 
> and
> State Farm. Also to be avoided is The Hartford through AARP. The Hartford
> contract says "policy holder agrees that no claim shall go to arbitration."

I've had Safeco for 15 years or so now.  The only claim I've had to
make was 10 years ago and involved fairly serious front-end work to
the diesel 2001 VW bug that I had then.  I was pleasantly surprised
that they made absolutely no fuss about my choice of body shop and
guaranteed in writing that only factory parts would be used.  They
paid the entire cost of repair less deductible, and when the body work
ran overtime they even paid for a rental car for several days beyond
the maximum time specified in the policy for rental reimbursement.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

[RELNGSON]

> I have had good experiences with Progressive, including the lowest 
> premium,
> although GEICO is now slightly cheaper
> 
Just recently I attended a tech presentation at a local high end body shop 
(http://www.hauryscollision.com/) and the subject of paying for proper 
repairs vs cornercutting (take it or leave it) came up and the two worst 
companies for claim payment were Progressive and Geico. Followed by Farmers and 
State Farm. Also to be avoided is The Hartford through AARP. The Hartford 
contract says "policy holder agrees that no claim shall go to arbitration."

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Max Dillon]

That car was just discussed on peach parts, lots of small problems plus just 
starting to rust.
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Allan Streib  wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html Must have been a pretty 
serious wreck to graft on the entire front from another 
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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Max Dillon]

Wrong, 2.5 turbo diesel. Nice car!
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Allan Streib  wrote:

This would not be a turbo, right? 
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Re: [MBZ] Wallet Wonderings

[WILTON]

'Nearly identical to mine without the Wingtip punching.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wallet Wonderings



Dan,
Is this what you are looking for.

http://www.alphashark.com/p-1945-j-fold-wingtip-genuine-top-grain-leather-wallet.aspx?pmc=sb&affiliateid=10056&utm_campaign=sharkbite1&utm_source=email

Russ

On 6/12/2011 3:47 PM, LWB250 wrote:
As there are a number of esoteric and free thinking folks on these lists, 
I figured I would toss this out and see what comes back:


I am looking for an alternative to the good old bi-fold wallet.  I 
probably carry about eight or so plastic cards of varying uses along with 
a small amount of cash.


Over the years the cards get cracked or worn from being stuck in a 
leather wallet, and it's rather bulky in some respects as well.


I have looked at the metal alternatives and have seen that while they may 
be functional, most of the vendors have yet to master the latch 
construction/materials so that it lasts for any reasonable amount of 
time.


Has anyone here used one of the aluminum or metal variants, or have an 
alternative to suggest?


Thanks in advance,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[andrew strasfogel]

Clearly this is an April Fools joke.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> > http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html
> >
> > Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from
> another car.
> >
>
> I think he started washing it from front to back and then quit because
> it started raining.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[andrew strasfogel]

Ordinary W108 sedans are not worth nearly that much unless they are close to
100 percent restored.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Michael Canfield 
> wrote:
> 
>
> > What are they saying?  "Not a car you would drive daily."???
> >
> > Really?  Why not?
> >
>
> My thought too.  As many here will attest a /8 makes a perfectly good
> daily driver.  Maybe not on a hot summer day in stop-and-go traffic,
> but I'd say the same about any older manual-transmission car.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Wallet Wonderings

[Russ Williams]

Dan,
Is this what you are looking for.

http://www.alphashark.com/p-1945-j-fold-wingtip-genuine-top-grain-leather-wallet.aspx?pmc=sb&affiliateid=10056&utm_campaign=sharkbite1&utm_source=email

Russ

On 6/12/2011 3:47 PM, LWB250 wrote:

As there are a number of esoteric and free thinking folks on these lists, I 
figured I would toss this out and see what comes back:

I am looking for an alternative to the good old bi-fold wallet.  I probably 
carry about eight or so plastic cards of varying uses along with a small amount 
of cash.

Over the years the cards get cracked or worn from being stuck in a leather 
wallet, and it's rather bulky in some respects as well.

I have looked at the metal alternatives and have seen that while they may be 
functional, most of the vendors have yet to master the latch 
construction/materials so that it lasts for any reasonable amount of time.

Has anyone here used one of the aluminum or metal variants, or have an 
alternative to suggest?

Thanks in advance,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Dieselhead wrote:
>>
>> One corn fed bambi will wipe out 2 fenders, hood and grille, and at least
>> one headlight assy.  Easily $5000 damage.  Being backed into by a new pickup
>> or a one ton will do the same.  Definitely something to inspect closely.
>
> And then the car can be advertised with NEW RADIATOR!
>

And new A/T cooler!  And new condenser!  RECENT R134A CONVERSION!
BLOWS ICE COLD!

Run away.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
One corn fed bambi will wipe out 2 fenders, hood and grille, and at 
least one headlight assy.  Easily $5000 damage.  Being backed into by a 
new pickup or a one ton will do the same.  Definitely something to 
inspect closely.


And then the car can be advertised with NEW RADIATOR!

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Dieselhead]

One corn fed bambi will wipe out 2 fenders, hood and grille, and at 
least one headlight assy.  Easily $5000 damage.  Being backed into by 
a new pickup or a one ton will do the same.  Definitely something to 
inspect closely.




On 13/06/2011 1:00 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front 
from another car.




Not necessarily. If the impact was bad enough to mess up the whole 
front end with both front fenders requiring replacement then one 
would expect to see more issues with the door alignment wouldn't 
one? The rest of the car looks reasonably intact so perhaps the 
replacement of the front clip was related to something more minor. 
Rust? Someone backed a big pickup truck into the front end in a 
parking lot etc.?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Randy Bennell]

On 13/06/2011 1:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from another 
car.


I think he started washing it from front to back and then quit because
it started raining.

Alex


Or, he was painting it but ran out of rattle cans.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html
>
> Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from 
> another car.
>

I think he started washing it from front to back and then quit because
it started raining.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Dieselhead]

But he already fixed the breaks


Wonder what he broke.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other


http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front 
from another car.


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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Randy Bennell]

On 13/06/2011 1:00 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from another 
car.



Not necessarily. If the impact was bad enough to mess up the whole front 
end with both front fenders requiring replacement then one would expect 
to see more issues with the door alignment wouldn't one? The rest of the 
car looks reasonably intact so perhaps the replacement of the front clip 
was related to something more minor. Rust? Someone backed a big pickup 
truck into the front end in a parking lot etc.?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] FS: 201 Wheels

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> I also need to check if they would fit a Vanagon.  Do you know the offset?
>

Any wheels that will fit a 124 or 201 have the right offset for a
Vanagon, but you have to drill out the bolt holes and maybe the center
as well.  I've seen on VW forums where people have mounted bundts or
other 126/123/107 wheels with spacers, which seems silly when there
are plenty of options with the correct offset (not just from Mercedes,
but also IIRC there are a bunch of Audi options as well).

When I win the lottery I'm getting a Westy with a blown engine,
converting it to a Subaru turbo engine and auto trans, and putting on
it either the CLK or 500E wheels that I have squirreled away.  I
haven't really looked, but I bet it's a lot easier to find 16" tires
suitable for a Vanagon these days than 14s.  A lot of people put
passenger car (P) tires on them, but I believe under the current size
code system they are much better off with LT tires (higher load
rating, stiffer sidewalls).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

That would be a 2.5 turbo OM602.  Looks nice.  Price seems high.


Good price for 2001. Not good for 2011.

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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Dieselhead]

That would be a 2.5 turbo OM602.  Looks nice.  Price seems high.


This would not be a turbo, right?

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2437718797.html


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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

This would not be a turbo, right?

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2437718797.html



There was a Euro 250D sans turbo, but if the badge on the trunk are
correct that's just a regular US-spec OM602 5-cylinder turbo.  Seller
is confused or made a typo.


I don't think the 250D NA had the right fender air intake. I know the 200D (now 
that would be a speed demon) did not. AFAIK, the fender gills mean it's a 2.5 
turbo or a (1994-1995) 24 valve 3.0.


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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> This would not be a turbo, right?
>
> http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2437718797.html
>

There was a Euro 250D sans turbo, but if the badge on the trunk are
correct that's just a regular US-spec OM602 5-cylinder turbo.  Seller
is confused or made a typo.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

This would not be a turbo, right?

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2437718797.html


It's a 90-93 2.5 turbo (124.128), pretty much the same engine as the 1987 190D 
turbo.


You can't really read it, but it says
300D .  2.5 TURBO
on the back.

http://images.craigslist.org/3nd3o83p85V25U35S0b6dc4c92dd3596e17d4.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[WILTON]

Wonder what he broke.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] half of this car is not like the other



http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from 
another car.


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[MBZ] half of this car is not like the other....

[Allan Streib]

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2435800695.html

Must have been a pretty serious wreck to graft on the entire front from another 
car.

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[MBZ] 92 E class Diesel

[Allan Streib]

This would not be a turbo, right?

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2437718797.html


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Failure Notice

[Fred Moir]

Curt, et al.
My missive to the list was bounced twice, even after renaming it.
The original subject was "I can get some satisfaction" meaning that I 
just finished some repairs that went well.
Received two emails telling me that I have violated the spam censor 
"numerous times" (huh?) and it was sent to Kaleb's spam dump.

Such is progress, yeah, right!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 6/13/2011 11:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Okay does anybody else find it hilarious that Kaleb's ISP seems to think that 
talking about spam is therefore spam?

-Curt
   


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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[andrew strasfogel]

I have had good experiences with Progressive, including the lowest premium,
although GEICO is now slightly cheaper.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> My parents weren't in the service, so that option is out.
>
> Walt
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:18 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> > Definitely USAA if at all possible - mil. ret. or veteran parents, etc.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go
> through?
> >
> >
> >>> Just wondering who I should check for a low rate for a first time
> >>> insured,
> >>> "new driver" (had my permit forever though...), with an old-tush
> truck...
> >>
> >> USAA, if you've got a mil-spec parental unit.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] another car for jaime

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> Are those "MBZ" floormats aftermarket?  My W123 doesn't have those...
>

I hope not.  I've seen an awful lot of cars with those, but I've
always thought they were cheesy.  The typeface looks totally out of
place in an older car, and who ever got the idea that "MBZ" was an
abbreviation for "Mercedes-Benz," anyway?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:


> What are they saying?  "Not a car you would drive daily."???
>
> Really?  Why not?
>

My thought too.  As many here will attest a /8 makes a perfectly good
daily driver.  Maybe not on a hot summer day in stop-and-go traffic,
but I'd say the same about any older manual-transmission car.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[WILTON]

That may do it.  Check USAA.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Walt Zarnoch" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?



Yes, my grandfather served in the Navy as an electrician.

Walt

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

Walt Zarnoch wrote:


My parents weren't in the service, so that option is out.


Got a living grandparent who was?

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Failure Notice

[WILTON]

I don't really find it hilarious.  I find it annoying.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:09 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Fw: Failure Notice


Okay does anybody else find it hilarious that Kaleb's ISP seems to think 
that talking about spam is therefore spam?


-Curt

--- On Mon, 6/13/11, mailer-dae...@nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com 
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From: mailer-dae...@nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com 


Subject: Failure Notice
To: curtlud...@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 11:01 AM
Sorry, we were unable to deliver your
message to the following address.

:
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antispam checks (SCORING) and it was rejected or collected
on okiebenz.com spambox. Please be sure your mailserver is
configured correctly (spf , HELO, PTR) or try using an
alternative email or smtp. [BODY]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Spam? What spam?
To: Diesel List 
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Whew, I was starting to think it was only me.

I think Kaleb's ISP has instituted new rules for
determining what is spam and they've ratcheted the security
WAY up. I suspect a lot of what we normally talk about now
somehow contributes to our spam score.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:03:16 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
To: "mercedes list" 
Subject: [MBZ] Spam? What spam?
Message-ID:
<2EF1349342C3421A9EE1C51628B8CB24@wiltonPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"

'Just had another msg to list returned for spam. WHAT
SPAM?

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Yes, my grandfather served in the Navy as an electrician.


If you can talk gramps into joining USAA and buying insurance (you might offer 
to buy him some insurance), you may be able to become an insurance buying member 
of USAA like Klebbie.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mystery wire

[Walt Zarnoch]

On a York, the only wire coming from the compressor gets 12V to engage
the clutch.
Make sure it's going/coming from the compressor before feeding it with
a jumper wire though, don't want to fry something inadvertently.

Walt

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the Bosch Wiring Standard, Brown with a trace generally goes to
> a ground through some device.  My guess is that if you ground it, the clutch
> will engage.  Either the hot side has to control the clutch, or the ground
> side will control the clutch.
>
> I only worked with the york on my 200D 30 some years ago.  Since then, I
> have avoided Yorks.
>
>
>> I wondered why nobody replied to this, turns out Okiebenz flagged it as
>> spam and Yahoo flagged the bounce message as spam...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> --- On Sun, 6/12/11, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>
>>>  From: Curt Raymond 
>>>  Subject: Mystery wire
>>>  To: "Diesel List" 
>>>  Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 6:05 PM
>>>  '78 240D, York AC compressor.
>>>
>>>  Car's AC doesn't do anything, compressor doesn't engage,
>>>  nothing. So poking around I found this mystery wire by the
>>>  compressor, its brown with blue, in the same harness as the
>>>  blue/white from the pressure switch to the compressor.
>>>  Wiring diagram seems to indicate it comes from the dash
>>>  switch to a relay but I can't see any relay in this area nor
>>>  can I see anything reasonable to attach it to.
>>>
>>>  Ideas?
>>>
>>>  -Curt
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mystery wire

[Dieselhead]

According to the Bosch Wiring Standard, Brown with a trace generally 
goes to a ground through some device.  My guess is that if you ground 
it, the clutch will engage.  Either the hot side has to control the 
clutch, or the ground side will control the clutch.


I only worked with the york on my 200D 30 some years ago.  Since 
then, I have avoided Yorks.



I wondered why nobody replied to this, turns out Okiebenz flagged it 
as spam and Yahoo flagged the bounce message as spam...


-Curt

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Curt Raymond  wrote:


 From: Curt Raymond 
 Subject: Mystery wire
 To: "Diesel List" 
 Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 6:05 PM
 '78 240D, York AC compressor.

 Car's AC doesn't do anything, compressor doesn't engage,
 nothing. So poking around I found this mystery wire by the
 compressor, its brown with blue, in the same harness as the
 blue/white from the pressure switch to the compressor.
 Wiring diagram seems to indicate it comes from the dash
 switch to a relay but I can't see any relay in this area nor
 can I see anything reasonable to attach it to.

 Ideas?

 -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Walt Zarnoch]

Yes, my grandfather served in the Navy as an electrician.

Walt

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>
>> My parents weren't in the service, so that option is out.
>
> Got a living grandparent who was?
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

A running 250SE with nice interior and euro lights is worth $1200 no
problem.  If it had no real rust, it would be worth $5000+ easily.

Jaime

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> "Body in fair condition" + no side pictures + "not a car you would drive
> daily" = MASSIVE RUST ?
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:07:58 -0400
> From: Mitch Haley 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] Jaime?
> Message-ID: <4df58d1e.9000...@voyager.net>
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> http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2426072046.html
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

My parents weren't in the service, so that option is out.


Got a living grandparent who was?

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[MBZ] Fw: Mystery wire

[Curt Raymond]

I wondered why nobody replied to this, turns out Okiebenz flagged it as spam 
and Yahoo flagged the bounce message as spam...

-Curt

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> From: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Mystery wire
> To: "Diesel List" 
> Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 6:05 PM
> '78 240D, York AC compressor.
> 
> Car's AC doesn't do anything, compressor doesn't engage,
> nothing. So poking around I found this mystery wire by the
> compressor, its brown with blue, in the same harness as the
> blue/white from the pressure switch to the compressor.
> Wiring diagram seems to indicate it comes from the dash
> switch to a relay but I can't see any relay in this area nor
> can I see anything reasonable to attach it to.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> -Curt
> 

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[MBZ] Fw: Failure Notice

[Curt Raymond]

Okay does anybody else find it hilarious that Kaleb's ISP seems to think that 
talking about spam is therefore spam?

-Curt

--- On Mon, 6/13/11, mailer-dae...@nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> From: mailer-dae...@nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com 
> 
> Subject: Failure Notice
> To: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 11:01 AM
> Sorry, we were unable to deliver your
> message to the following address.
> 
> :
> Remote host said: 554 5.7.1 Your message failed several
> antispam checks (SCORING) and it was rejected or collected
> on okiebenz.com spambox. Please be sure your mailserver is
> configured correctly (spf , HELO, PTR) or try using an
> alternative email or smtp. [BODY]
> 
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
> 
> Received: from [98.139.212.150] by
> nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2011
> 15:01:10 -
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: RE: [MBZ] Spam?  What spam?
> To: Diesel List 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Whew, I was starting to think it was only me.
> 
> I think Kaleb's ISP has instituted new rules for
> determining what is spam and they've ratcheted the security
> WAY up. I suspect a lot of what we normally talk about now
> somehow contributes to our spam score.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:03:16 -0400
> From: "WILTON" 
> To: "mercedes list" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Spam?  What spam?
> Message-ID:
> <2EF1349342C3421A9EE1C51628B8CB24@wiltonPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 'Just had another msg to list returned for spam.  WHAT
> SPAM?
> 
> Wilton
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Curt Raymond]

"Body in fair condition" + no side pictures + "not a car you would drive daily" 
= MASSIVE RUST ?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:07:58 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Jaime?
Message-ID: <4df58d1e.9000...@voyager.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2426072046.html

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Curt Raymond]

I think you probably need to do the same thing I need to do which is find an 
independent insurance agent. I suspect I'm paying too much for everything.

That said on each of the MB's I'm paying about $350/year for liability only. 
The pickup is more but it has comprehensive. Motorcycles are slightly less each 
than the cars.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:50:55 -0400
From: Walt Zarnoch 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm getting ready to put my 88 Ram50 on the road, and the first thing needed
is insurance... I'm in NY, so not sure how this varies state to state.

Just wondering who I should check for a low rate for a first time insured,
"new driver" (had my permit forever though...), with an old-tush truck...

Geico says $514 for 6 months, $422 for Progresssive (heard some stuff on the
list about them... and from a few friends...).

Going to be talking with my parents insurance co as well.

Ideas? Thoughts? Gotcha's?

Walt

Benz content:
Still plodding away with the other truck that has the 617, getting the new
oil pump rear housing finished this week if all goes well.
Gotta tack the motor mounts in and then it's time to work on the sheet metal
sump.

Fun stuff...


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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Walt Zarnoch]

My parents weren't in the service, so that option is out.

Walt

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:18 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> Definitely USAA if at all possible - mil. ret. or veteran parents, etc.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?
>
>
>>> Just wondering who I should check for a low rate for a first time
>>> insured,
>>> "new driver" (had my permit forever though...), with an old-tush truck...
>>
>> USAA, if you've got a mil-spec parental unit.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] another car for jaime

[WILTON]

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] another car for jaime


Absolutely!  as does a 110, 111, 115, 124, 126, or  well kept MB of any 
vintage pre-2000



A nice-looking 123 STILL looks good.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "mercedes Mailing List" ; "Banned List" 


Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] another car for jaime


Same color as my first car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280E-1979-Mercedes-280E-6cyl-gas-W123-Body-/330576473481?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf7e4ad89


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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[WILTON]

Definitely USAA if at all possible - mil. ret. or veteran parents, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?


Just wondering who I should check for a low rate for a first time 
insured,
"new driver" (had my permit forever though...), with an old-tush 
truck...


USAA, if you've got a mil-spec parental unit.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Michael Canfield]

What are they saying?  "Not a car you would drive daily."???

Really?  Why not?

Mike
On Jun 13, 2011 12:08 AM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] another car for jaime

[Dieselhead]

Absolutely!  as does a 110, 111, 115, 124, 126, or  well kept MB of 
any vintage pre-2000



A nice-looking 123 STILL looks good.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: "mercedes Mailing List" ; "Banned List" 


Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] another car for jaime


Same color as my first car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280E-1979-Mercedes-280E-6cyl-gas-W123-Body-/330576473481?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf7e4ad89


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Re: [MBZ] Wallet Wonderings

[Jim Cathey]

When I was traveling it put so much pressure on my back that I had 
back problems until I started alternating pockets on a regular basis.


Front pants pocket, not back.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 124 Fan Project / Always something

[Jim Cathey]

Did I miss any other source of lockout for the starter?


I don't think so, there's not much there.  Just that and all
the wiring.  You can use a jumper on the fender-mount block
to trip the starter more-or-less directly to make sure it's
not the starter itself.  Maybe.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Insurance... anyone know of a good place to go through?

[Jim Cathey]

Just wondering who I should check for a low rate for a first time 
insured,
"new driver" (had my permit forever though...), with an old-tush 
truck...


USAA, if you've got a mil-spec parental unit.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Jaime?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yes!!

This is what I need.

Jaime


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