Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
India is very similar as China when it comes to pollution. but both refuse to engage in limiting activity - *But if this Global Warming gets any worse, I'm going to freeze to death!!* LarryT 91 300D On 2/24/2015 10:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Having traveled to China in the past two year, I can say without hesitation it is one of the most polluted places ever on the face of the earth. We in America pay through the nose to have our cars inspected each year, and through the nose for ever tighter EPA regulations, while the cloud of pollution that hovers over China drifts into the weather patterns of the Pacific, which feed the weather patterns of the US Continent, due to earths direction of rotation. Add to China, all the other pollution from countries on the Pacific rim and everything we pay for and are charged here becomes worthless. Unless you have been there and walked the streets, it's really not possible to grasp the magnitude of pollution being produced there. All those companies that were fined and punished by the EPA over the past 25 years are now operating there, with no EPA to contend with.. or labor laws.. AND.. you can buy a public official in China.. Paradise surely.. On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Even if the global warmers are correct, and the solution is a massive worldwide decline in the use of fossil fuels; how is anyone going to stop China and 100+ nations from using fossil fuels and/or stopping practices that increase CO2? Is China going to stop using coal, a major source of pollution that runs nearly everything in their country? Improving the situation is impossible unless one is thinking of building enough solar and nuclear plants over the long time interval that would be required. When Americans talk to the leaders of other polluting countries about doing something now, their answer is: Give us the money to do it and we'll do it. It will be an impossible task irregardless of whether the global warmers are right or wrong. Gerry OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: R-12 has nothing to do with global warming. It destroys the ozone layer, letting more of the harmful UV rays reach the surface. The hole over Antarctica has closed significantly since the R-12 ban. I don't know that there is a cause/effect relationship here, but the coincidence does seems to lead us innocents to believe that there is. Mexico must not use much R-12. I do have 10 -12 lbs (in one bottle) of virgin R-12 if anyone wants to come get it for the market value (whatever that is). Shipping it legally is prohibitive. I also would not have believed that human activity could cause earthquakes - what could a little water injected deep in the earth here and there do? However, there does seem to be a direct correlation between the deep injection wells (for fracking fluids/waste water) and the huge number of earthquakes that we are experiencing in OK now. Based on this, I am not willing to rule out the possibility of human causes of climate change/global warming. I my self am contributing a fair amount of CO2 to the air, and releasing it higher in the atmosphere than most of you. Global Warming means just that - GLOBAL - not local. Watch the cycles of the jet stream, etc. and you can see why some areas are cooler than they used to be while the planet as a whole is getting warmer. OK has been overall warmer the last few years, mostly due to warmer winters than usual. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4299/9173 - Release Date: 02/24/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
I'm taking it ('05 e320) to my indy Friday to see what needs to be done.
When I called him and I described the symptoms as those that would lead to
axle replacement in a W123, he echoed many of the things y'all said knowing
this is a W211. We will see what he finds out.
Bob R
On Feb 24, 2015 8:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Good point. People, please include the YEAR and MODEL of your car, and if
you're talking about the weather indicate WHERE you are.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Curly wrote:
Since this car is post-1986...
Uh oh. My post was for a S or W123.
Bob R didn't mention the car. Looks like maybe I jumped to the
wrong conclusion.
Yeah, he did somewhere. 05 E320 i think. 211 maybe?
That's why I think it will need the triple square socket rather than a
clip inside the Diff.
I forgot to mention, it is good form to put neverseeze on the 6 triple
square capscrews if you think you might keep the car more than a couple
years. Especially if it travels well salted roads.
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E320 transmission fluid
You'd get a lot of use from a MB Technical Manual - it lists all the models, engines, trannys, torques, and much more - it's only about 5x8 but it's almost 1 thick and has everything you'd ever want to know - The official title is/Technical Data Passenger Cars/ - I think I ordered it direct from MBNA - you'll be amazed at the amount of info in it Give me your chassis/VIN # and I'll give you the type of trans without a doubt - unless it's been swapped out ;-) LarryT 91 300D 78 240D On 2/24/2015 11:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It's either 722.3 or .4, I'm pretty sure it's .3 Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have been looking through the information about transmissions I have gleaned from the list over the years and have found a spec sheet listing (BB00.40-P-0231-01A) which lists what spec sheet (e.g., 236.14) is needed for which model of transmission (e.g., 722.6). I cannot, however, find out what model of transmission my car has. Does anyone know where I can find that information? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Craig needs a new shirt
It looks like this: http://www.sunfrogshirts.com/Geek--Tech/Pi-Day-2015--RoyalBlue-16863900-Guys.html?374135 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Knives of the rich and famous
Another knife to keep an eye out for is Forgecraft, long out of manufacture. These are unremarkable looking carbon steel -- watch out for rust! -- but run quite hard, RC 60 or 61 isn't uncommon. They take and hold an incredible edge with minimal work. I have some Forgecraft knives. I like them a lot. Wife won't use them, she prefers her Henckels (wedding gift) when she's looking for a knife to leave in the sink, or throw into the dishwasher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I thought it was .357? I don't know anything about shell casings or guns. Good question about how to keep it from dislodging! I think I used 9mm, not sure. Just grabbed something from the brass bucket that looked like it would fit. I used pliers to crimp the slit shut once it was over the rod. Won't come out again, not without help. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '95 E320 transmission fluid
The EPC used to give you all that data, plus a lot more based on the VIN. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:10 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You'd get a lot of use from a MB Technical Manual - it lists all the models, engines, trannys, torques, and much more - it's only about 5x8 but it's almost 1 thick and has everything you'd ever want to know - The official title is/Technical Data Passenger Cars/ - I think I ordered it direct from MBNA - you'll be amazed at the amount of info in it Give me your chassis/VIN # and I'll give you the type of trans without a doubt - unless it's been swapped out ;-) LarryT 91 300D 78 240D -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
Since some are considering non-MB cars for their families: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/deadliest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9feSc#image=1 Chevrolet Aveo 5-Door Chevrolet Suburban 1500 2WD Chevrolet HHR Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4WD Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Aveo (4-door) Dodge Nitro 2WD Ford Focus (4-door) Honda Civic (4-door) Honda Civic (2-door) Hyundai Accent (2-door) Hyundai Accent (4-door) Jeep Patriot 2WD Kia Rio Mazda Mazda6 Mercury Grand Marquis Nissan cube Nissan Versa Hatchback Nissan Versa Sedan Rated on Driver deaths per million registered vehicles. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R On 2/25/15 11:59 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Since some are considering non-MB cars for their families: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/deadliest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9feSc#image=1 Chevrolet Aveo 5-Door Chevrolet Suburban 1500 2WD Chevrolet HHR Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4WD Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Aveo (4-door) Dodge Nitro 2WD Ford Focus (4-door) Honda Civic (4-door) Honda Civic (2-door) Hyundai Accent (2-door) Hyundai Accent (4-door) Jeep Patriot 2WD Kia Rio Mazda Mazda6 Mercury Grand Marquis Nissan cube Nissan Versa Hatchback Nissan Versa Sedan Rated on Driver deaths per million registered vehicles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
That was the first thing I thought too. I would guess that a lot of the smaller cars are driven by younger, inexperienced drivers and the Grand Marquis by elderly drivers etc Not sure why the Suburban and Silverado would score high apart from the fact that the red neck crowd may drive hard and fast and maybe drunk too. These studies are often like the ones that suggest drinking coffee causes lung cancer and then later they notice that a lot of folks who stop for coffee also have a smoke or two. RB On 25/02/2015 11:07 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R On 2/25/15 11:59 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Since some are considering non-MB cars for their families: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/deadliest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9feSc#image=1 Chevrolet Aveo 5-Door Chevrolet Suburban 1500 2WD Chevrolet HHR Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4WD Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Aveo (4-door) Dodge Nitro 2WD Ford Focus (4-door) Honda Civic (4-door) Honda Civic (2-door) Hyundai Accent (2-door) Hyundai Accent (4-door) Jeep Patriot 2WD Kia Rio Mazda Mazda6 Mercury Grand Marquis Nissan cube Nissan Versa Hatchback Nissan Versa Sedan Rated on Driver deaths per million registered vehicles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
True. Should help. RB who does not have one of those cars and wouldn't be able to get it started right now if he did On 25/02/2015 11:06 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: It would be nice if someone else with a properly working 240D would map theirs for comparison. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, I would expect to see the top radiator hose be hot and the lower to be cool, for example. This gives you a really good view into whether or not the system is working as intended. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Unlike the Hi Lift jack, the HF IR thermometers are adequate for this. They are accurate within a degree or two. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Unlike the Hi Lift jack, the HF IR thermometers are adequate for this. They are accurate within a degree or two. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
It would be nice if someone else with a properly working 240D would map theirs for comparison. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
If that were the case, I'd think that Ford would be equally represented. They do out sell Chevy here in truck country. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
Well, here's the flip side - the safest cars for drivers from the same study. I find it hard to draw a conclusion other than randomness and the advantage of mass. The SUVs seem to be the safest. Zero driver deaths per 1 million registered vehicles: Audi A4 Quattro Honda Odyssey Kia Sorento 2WD Lexus RX 350 4WD Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 4WD Subaru Legacy AWD Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD Toyota Sequoia 4WD Volvo XC90 4WD The next ten: Honda Pilot 4WD - 2 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 4WD - 3 Ford Crown Victoria - 4 GMC Yukon 4WD - 4 Acura TL - 5 Chevrolet Equinox 2WD - 5 Chevrolet Equinox 4WD - 5 Ford Expedition 4WD - 5 Ford Flex 2WD - 5 Mazda CX-9 4WD - 5 http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/safest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9fjS0#image=1 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. I have a suburban, I am invincible. My truck will crush any other vehicle The same thought process that puts more 4wd/SUVs in the ditch/upside down when it snows. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Dan wrote: It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, Delta. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
My guess is that the higher end vehicles tend to be bought by more conservative folks who probably drive more carefully. Don't know how it is where you are, but around here, one is unlikely to see a Subaru up to the speed limit. They tend to be driven by the sort who normally travel slower than necessary. Same with the Toyota Hybrid. Wouldn't want to use fuel so must go slow and bought a big Toyota SUV to be safe so must go slow to be safe. No idea how the Kia fits into that group. Maybe just dumb luck? RB On 25/02/2015 12:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Well, here's the flip side - the safest cars for drivers from the same study. I find it hard to draw a conclusion other than randomness and the advantage of mass. The SUVs seem to be the safest. Zero driver deaths per 1 million registered vehicles: Audi A4 Quattro Honda Odyssey Kia Sorento 2WD Lexus RX 350 4WD Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 4WD Subaru Legacy AWD Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD Toyota Sequoia 4WD Volvo XC90 4WD The next ten: Honda Pilot 4WD - 2 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 4WD - 3 Ford Crown Victoria - 4 GMC Yukon 4WD - 4 Acura TL - 5 Chevrolet Equinox 2WD - 5 Chevrolet Equinox 4WD - 5 Ford Expedition 4WD - 5 Ford Flex 2WD - 5 Mazda CX-9 4WD - 5 http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/safest-vehicles-for-drivers/ss-AA9fjS0#image=1 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. I have a suburban, I am invincible. My truck will crush any other vehicle The same thought process that puts more 4wd/SUVs in the ditch/upside down when it snows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
I wonder if the Suburban and Silverado suffer from Hey y'all ho mah beer and watchiss The others I can see, when a Sub or Sil t-bones one. --R I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. I have a suburban, I am invincible. My truck will crush any other vehicle The same thought process that puts more 4wd/SUVs in the ditch/upside down when it snows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
No, not the exact temps, but the patterns - the head is x degrees hotter than the top of the radiator, which is y degrees hotter than the lower rad hose, all relative to the T-stat housing, under these conditions (ambient temp, miles driven at z average speed, etc.). On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, I would expect to see the top radiator hose be hot and the lower to be cool, for example. This gives you a really good view into whether or not the system is working as intended. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
My guess is that the higher end vehicles tend to be bought by more conservative folks who probably drive more carefully. Don't know how it is where you are, but around here, one is unlikely to see a Subaru up to the speed limit. They tend to be driven by the sort who normally travel slower than necessary. Same with the Toyota Hybrid. Wouldn't want to use fuel so must go slow and bought a big Toyota SUV to be safe so must go slow to be safe. No idea how the Kia fits into that group. Maybe just dumb luck? RB 'Round here the pious people go charging down the interstate at 80 to 85. (Saving gas, you know) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
OK, I'll bite. Just how cold is it, Randy? Preferably in degrees F. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, Delta. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry T T= Temperature ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Dan wrote: It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, Delta. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry T T= Temperature ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! snip Who, will of course, advise us with great authority it is Bushes Fault. Executive privilege went from The buck stops here to Pass the buck in such a short time.. Why I feel fundamentally changed. [From content and rich to angry any poor under the present leadership corpse] (Pun intended) On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
I have been listening to the inane commentary on NPR about this pipeline bidness. It is quite interesting how the opponents have managed to turn the discussion around aspects that are either 1) wrong, 2) irrelevant, 3) conflated, 4) partially true, 5) idiotic, 6) ignoring certain other factual aspects, 7) all of the above. And the journalists let it all slide without making the interviewees be rigorous in their arguments. It is a wonder to behold, I remember now why I missed sending in some dinero during the begathon the last 3 weeks. Note that this has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter, just an observation on how it has all unfolded. Even one of my TEA party-type friends was ecstatic Obama vetoed the bill, and got lots of likes from other flaming lib friends on his view. I tried to point out some aspects of his views on the matter that were positively wrong but he would not be swayed by facts. --R On 2/25/15 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
On 25/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, I'll bite. Just how cold is it, Randy? Preferably in degrees F. right now - 4:15 on Wednesday, it is -16C or about 3F. Nice bright sunny day. A bit of wind though. Spring is coming. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
Email the seller and explain. I once accidentally shipped two orders that should have gone to separate buyers to one buyer. The one buyer refused to return the mistaken item... -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] ebay scam? An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Any ideas? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) razor. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
My great uncle Reg swore getting ejected from the vehicle was the best thing that could happen to you. He was terrified of burning to death inside. Personally I'll take my chances inside the big metal box rather than having the big metal box run me down. -Curt If'n Iza gonna hafta hit sumpin, I'd like a sturdy cage with crumple zones, parachute harness type seat belt, and lotsa airbags. Kinda like a Mercedes Benz... Built postwar... But avoidance is the best option. Mechanical IP Dissel MBs can help to mitigate the fire hazard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Work test
iFail. Ifon --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
I believe postal regulations say that if you receive an item that you did not pay for or agree to pay for (you have not made a contract), you are under no obligation to pay or return the item. This was taught in my high school business law class. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 25, 2015 8:02:16 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Email the seller and explain. I once accidentally shipped two orders that should have gone to separate buyers to one buyer. The one buyer refused to return the mistaken item... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
Snagged a leather and wood steering wheel for the SL tonight on eBay for $20. The leather definitely needs recovering. I saw an Instructable on recovering a leather wheel (BMW) today, but was curious as to if any of our esteemed listmembers have attempted this themselves. For $20 I figured I could give it a shot. To have it done professionally is about $350. For that you can buy a nice aftermarket or really nice used wheel. Oy! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:01:13 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) razor. So somebody else besides Occam has a razor, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
Schick? On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:01:13 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) razor. So somebody else besides Occam has a razor, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
I believe that to be the case as well, however, from an ethical standpoint you should contact the seller, make them aware of the error, and see how they want to deal with it. That was from Business Ethics when I was in college. One could probably argue that while it was an unsolicited item, the seller intent was to send you one item of value and they made a mistake and sent you two….. Dan On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe postal regulations say that if you receive an item that you did not pay for or agree to pay for (you have not made a contract), you are under no obligation to pay or return the item. This was taught in my high school business law class. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 25, 2015 8:02:16 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Email the seller and explain. I once accidentally shipped two orders that should have gone to separate buyers to one buyer. The one buyer refused to return the mistaken item... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
Snagged a leather and wood steering wheel for the SL tonight on eBay for $20. The leather definitely needs recovering. I saw an Instructable on recovering a leather wheel (BMW) today, but was curious as to if any of our esteemed listmembers have attempted this themselves. For $20 I figured I could give it a shot. To have it done professionally is about $350. For that you can buy a nice aftermarket or really nice used wheel. Oy! Dan Saddle shop/western store buy the heavy duty waxed thread for sewing leather, and the hand type sewing awl. alternative: shoe shop cut the leather undersize I'd guess 1/4 under the circumference of the wheel. After dry fitting, soak in water. Lace it up. Dry I'd try a water based glue also. Carpenter glue/alliphatic resin (yellow wood glue) Curly Who still has several pairs of the old boy scout hardsole moccasins made over the past 50 years or so. (but they are all pretty worn, and some had been resoled also. I'd still be buying the kits if the kit didn't get so crummy after tandy bought Radio Junk.) SWMBO bought me new Minnetonka hardsoles for Christmas. Those are nice, but i didn't sew em up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
All good ideas - thanks! Here’s the Instructables for doing it: http://www.instructables.com/id/Reupholstering-a-steering-wheel/?utm_source=baseutm_medium=related-instructablesutm_campaign=related_test http://www.instructables.com/id/Reupholstering-a-steering-wheel/?utm_source=baseutm_medium=related-instructablesutm_campaign=related_test I like the idea of doing it wet so the leather shrinks when it dries. I have a heavy duty sewing machine that can do the edges. Dan On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Saddle shop/western store buy the heavy duty waxed thread for sewing leather, and the hand type sewing awl. alternative: shoe shop cut the leather undersize I'd guess 1/4 under the circumference of the wheel. After dry fitting, soak in water. Lace it up. Dry I'd try a water based glue also. Carpenter glue/alliphatic resin (yellow wood glue) Curly Who still has several pairs of the old boy scout hardsole moccasins made over the past 50 years or so. (but they are all pretty worn, and some had been resoled also. I'd still be buying the kits if the kit didn't get so crummy after tandy bought Radio Junk.) SWMBO bought me new Minnetonka hardsoles for Christmas. Those are nice, but i didn't sew em up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
Curly wrote: I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. One old guy swore that his ejection from single car accident was what kept him alive. He ran the Jeep dealership in Rock Springs. mao That has been known to happen frequently. (particularly befoe 1966.) Also helps if landing is in a snowbank or muddy freshly plowed field (not many of them anymore.) However, that theory is often squashed when the vehicle lands on top of the ejectee, or perhaps cuts the would be ejectee in half as the vehicle separates the part still in the vehicle from the part outside. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
On 2/25/2015 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I have been listening to the inane commentary on NPR about this pipeline bidness. It is quite interesting how the opponents have managed to turn the discussion around aspects that are either 1) wrong, 2) irrelevant, 3) conflated, 4) partially true, 5) idiotic, 6) ignoring certain other factual aspects, 7) all of the above. And the journalists let it all slide without making the interviewees be rigorous in their arguments. It is a wonder to behold, I remember now why I missed sending in some dinero during the begathon the last 3 weeks. Note that this has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter, just an observation on how it has all unfolded. Even one of my TEA party-type friends was ecstatic Obama vetoed the bill, and got lots of likes from other flaming lib friends on his view. I tried to point out some aspects of his views on the matter that were positively wrong but he would not be swayed by facts. I have been intrigued by the parallels between the climate/environment discussions and religious behavior. Recently I was talking with my brother, a fan of NPR talk shows, who explained many in the climate change camp want to eliminate the use of the word skeptic by those who don't agree with them. Skeptic is seen as an honorable word associated with scientific inquiry. Instead, since the evidence is so overwhelming in support of the climate-change-caused-humans model, anyone who doesn't buy on should be labelled denier. Really now. Believers and deniers? With no room for agnostics? I think the problem is that those wishy washy agnostic types can't be counted on to take the kind of action the climate zealots want, i.e. doing away with big cars, beefsteaks, and so forth. The idea being if our life style spews out so much CO2 why we have no moral grounds for trying to hold back all those third world types from the same thing. And the world population has grown; more than doubled just during my lifetime of 74 years. Which leads to my favorite solution - less people. We need more incentives for people to have fewer children. Gold metals, tax breaks, free stuff, permission to go to the head of lines, all that kind of thing. World wide! Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV They've all moved away said the voice of a stranger ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Work test
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:50:28 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: iFail. Ifon Shouldn't that be youFail? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Testitagainvfgh
Failed. Again. Failed. Again --R Sent from iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Rich Thomas richthomas79.30...@gmail.com Date: February 25, 2015 at 7:55:03 PM EST To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Testitagainvfgh Hail bcc --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
Now you're talking! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 2/25/2015 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I have been listening to the inane commentary on NPR about this pipeline bidness. It is quite interesting how the opponents have managed to turn the discussion around aspects that are either 1) wrong, 2) irrelevant, 3) conflated, 4) partially true, 5) idiotic, 6) ignoring certain other factual aspects, 7) all of the above. And the journalists let it all slide without making the interviewees be rigorous in their arguments. It is a wonder to behold, I remember now why I missed sending in some dinero during the begathon the last 3 weeks. Note that this has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter, just an observation on how it has all unfolded. Even one of my TEA party-type friends was ecstatic Obama vetoed the bill, and got lots of likes from other flaming lib friends on his view. I tried to point out some aspects of his views on the matter that were positively wrong but he would not be swayed by facts. I have been intrigued by the parallels between the climate/environment discussions and religious behavior. Recently I was talking with my brother, a fan of NPR talk shows, who explained many in the climate change camp want to eliminate the use of the word skeptic by those who don't agree with them. Skeptic is seen as an honorable word associated with scientific inquiry. Instead, since the evidence is so overwhelming in support of the climate-change-caused-humans model, anyone who doesn't buy on should be labelled denier. Really now. Believers and deniers? With no room for agnostics? I think the problem is that those wishy washy agnostic types can't be counted on to take the kind of action the climate zealots want, i.e. doing away with big cars, beefsteaks, and so forth. The idea being if our life style spews out so much CO2 why we have no moral grounds for trying to hold back all those third world types from the same thing. And the world population has grown; more than doubled just during my lifetime of 74 years. Which leads to my favorite solution - less people. We need more incentives for people to have fewer children.Gold metals, tax breaks, free stuff, permission to go to the head of lines, all that kind of thing. World wide! Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV They've all moved away said the voice of a stranger ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens
That was a very speedy camel cart - the lens arrived today and it's beautiful. :) I'll mail you a check unless you'd prefer a123 part instead. If so, let me know what you need. Thanks a ton, Andrew On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew.It's on the way. Camel cart. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Fred, Great - thanks!. I'm at 7913 Cypress Grove Lane, Cabin John, MD 20818. Please make sure it's the passenger side lens. I'll send you a check or something you may need, that I have. Let me know. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
Which leads to my favorite solution - less people. We need more incentives for people to have fewer children. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV They've all moved away said the voice of a stranger We have people working on that. Just recently they eliminated 21 deniers whom they thought should be headless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
dseretakis--- wrote: Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat. With the engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe. So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system to carry away - so no problem! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Out of town again
Kaleb wrote: New Okie acres Rancho costa plenty is about 15 minutes east of bville You are waaay far away from Claremore? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OY: Thule
For those who followed Wilton's Sonde stories, here is a (less engaging) article about the other Greenland air base. http://www.legion.org/magazine/226129/top-world ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
an elliptical can be folded to fit into a car with fold down seat and pass through. I did it once. Never again. Give me lots of space to haul and easy access to it. With either of the options available, you are not going to save on fuel, so go for best hauling ability and what keeps SWMBA easy to live with clay On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: So the ML350 has steel and the 430s and 550s and such have the air-ride feature? I thought about a GLK but not sure it would have sufficient room to haul the stuff she might want to haul. She has this elliptical bike thing that is about 6ft long and does not fit in any fashion on a bike rack so has to be loaded in the cargo bay. Would have to do some measuring on an ML to see if that is sufficient, probably so with the second row seats down. --R On 2/23/15 8:30 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I think you can't go wrong with a 6 cylinder ML with steel suspension. If you plan on long term ownership, avoid the air suspension. If you plan to sell it when the warranty is up, then get one with a V8 and air suspension! I think the MLs drive better than GLs... but I'm really a car guy so my opinion of how the trucks drive isn't all that useful. What about a GLK? Smaller, sure, but they're very easy to handle, simple and reliable too. I'm on my second one as a company car and like it much more than I thought I would. Jaime On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So what I am dealing with here is she asserted the need for a new car of some sort, most likely SUV or pickup so she can haul bikes and various other stuff that is a mystery to me. I got a $ range and a list of things she DOESN'T want, as below. It has to be reliable or have some sort of warranty to fix anything that breaks, basically she doesn't want to deal with anything automotive-related except to drive it. Most cars these days are fairly reliable it seems, but repair costs would be the killer if something does go wrong. So I started offering some thoughts and she quickly got overwhelmed (she has a hard time with multi-dimensional choices) and said she just wanted me to tell her the best choice. The BMW factory is here in SC, they make the X SUV things, so that was something that had appeal. I suggested a Benz SUV and showed her some MLs and GLs. She thought they looked nice and some of the used ones are in the acceptable price range (interest rates are low, so that helps on price). I was thinking CPO or some sort of aftermarket warranty thing like Carmax offers. I guess the next step is to get her to a dealer or Carmax or something where she can see some vehicles. Maybe even a lease to cover the fixing aspect, but I guess a CPO would be nearly as good. --R On 2/23/15 1:09 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: If you can get a certified one, doesn't the warranty increase to 100K? If you want to drive a Mercedes because you like them, appreciate the quality, etc and can afford it, I would think a CPO would be a great way to go. Is your wife the kind that wants a newer car every 5 years or so? If so, the GL or ML doesn't have to last forever and might still be under the certified warranty. If you plan to buy it until the wheels fall off, that's a different story. For S30-40,000 you can buy a very nice SUV of just about any make and probably many are still under original warranty: You can find all kinds of Explorers and even Expeditions with much lower mileage and only 1-2 years old and under factory warranty for the same or probably lower prices. Here's an ML that is still in factory warranty: http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11373748AVi=85No=80Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page I suppose Honda's are out? http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11698598AVi=38No=20Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page My father has a Toyota Highlander and absolutely loves it. http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11430560AVi=102No=100Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page Don Snook -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OK What do you think? I know we are all pretty
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
panzerwagon owners are seriously deluded about the value of their roadsters. Those cars are not going to rise in price for ages. There are too many beat to crap examples and too few set up like new to get the prices asked. Nobody will be willing to throw the money needed to restore them to #1, as you would a w113. I am going out on a limb and say the way these go up in price is as unrestored/preservation class examples. clay On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You didn't specify what model year SL, but SL prices in general are really soft. As we joke in the SL forum on BenzWorld, Its a good price until your neighbor puts his Mustang up for sale. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: gopher it -R On 2/24/15 11:32 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: My friend with the SL is now dangling what would be insultingly-low (if they were mine) prices in front of me. I think he's a 'motivated seller', and he knows I won't screw around. Wife just says: buy one, sell one. Can't fault her logic. I should buy the SL and flip hers for that price, or a tetch more, and get a nice upgrade in the process. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! Andrew, I'm retired now so I don't care about the difference between weather and climate, as long as the power stays on and I don't have a tornado. As to blaming Obama, what good would it do, he never takes responsibility for anything. And as Mother Nature would say, Kiss my butt, I'll do what I want to. So, if you don't leave DC and stay inside the beltway, you'll be content, no matter how much the rest of the country suffers at the hands of the great community organizer. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] ebay scam?
An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Any ideas? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
Curly wrote: I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. One old guy swore that his ejection from single car accident was what kept him alive. He ran the Jeep dealership in Rock Springs. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
Mao, Take off your tinfoil hat and back away from the boxes Really, it's as simple as someone probably screwed up with the seller. I have, on a couple of occasions, received the wrong item or an item twice when a seller got things goofed up during packing/shipping. Have you opened both to see what they are? Have you contacted the seller? You need to dial the paranoia down a little, Mao. People make mistakes, that's all. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An item purchased arrived but another item that was not purchased arrived in another box. What is the scam gonna happen in this fiasco? Any ideas? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
To my hearing NPR was biased in favor of the pipeline. They tossed softball questions when interviewing the visiting Alberta premier or whatever you call him. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have been listening to the inane commentary on NPR about this pipeline bidness. It is quite interesting how the opponents have managed to turn the discussion around aspects that are either 1) wrong, 2) irrelevant, 3) conflated, 4) partially true, 5) idiotic, 6) ignoring certain other factual aspects, 7) all of the above. And the journalists let it all slide without making the interviewees be rigorous in their arguments. It is a wonder to behold, I remember now why I missed sending in some dinero during the begathon the last 3 weeks. Note that this has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter, just an observation on how it has all unfolded. Even one of my TEA party-type friends was ecstatic Obama vetoed the bill, and got lots of likes from other flaming lib friends on his view. I tried to point out some aspects of his views on the matter that were positively wrong but he would not be swayed by facts. --R On 2/25/15 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The easy way is to blame Obama. That way you don't have to fret about the differences between weather and climate! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I'm currently experiencing a mix of rain/sleet/snow here in Monroe, East of Atlanta. Just hope the power doesn't go. Don't mind the snow, but hate the ice storms. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Out of town again
Kaleb C. wrote: OKC My son will be there next month for 4 weeks training. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers
My great uncle Reg swore getting ejected from the vehicle was the best thing that could happen to you. He was terrified of burning to death inside. Personally I'll take my chances inside the big metal box rather than having the big metal box run me down. -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Deadliest cars for drivers Curly wrote: I'd guess no seatbelts and rollover/ejection is what is killing the covered or open pickup folks. One old guy swore that his ejection from single car accident was what kept him alive. He ran the Jeep dealership in Rock Springs. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
Dan wrote: You need to dial the paranoia down a little, Mao. People make mistakes, that's all. Yep, but I thought I would check to see if perchance paranoia might be warranted, based on okiebenz experience. Yes, I got inexpensive purchased item and I opened the wrong item box, and I have not contacted seller yet. I figured it was their screw-up but it crossed my mind that this might be a scam in the making. I didn't even break out the tinfoil hat, but was thinking about it... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ebay scam?
Open both of them. One is probably wrong and need to be returned to the seller. If it’s something of marginal value, they might just tell you to keep it. Dan On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: You need to dial the paranoia down a little, Mao. People make mistakes, that's all. Yep, but I thought I would check to see if perchance paranoia might be warranted, based on okiebenz experience. Yes, I got inexpensive purchased item and I opened the wrong item box, and I have not contacted seller yet. I figured it was their screw-up but it crossed my mind that this might be a scam in the making. I didn't even break out the tinfoil hat, but was thinking about it... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Work test
Ifon --R Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Testitagainvfgh
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Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Couple I purchased my home from in PNW did that. Lived in HI from nov. to April. I thought that quite extravagant until I got the first winter's electric bill. They probably got that going in the 1970's and leased out their island home for summer tourist season. The winter I upgraded to gas, the bills were down by 60%. Switched out furnace, stove and water heater. Water bill was less and electric was nominal. clay On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: When I lived on the FL Gulf coast I met several Canadians who wintered there. They claimed it was cheaper to drain the pipes and winter in FL than to heat their homes. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:12 PM To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
the chloroflorocarbons were eating the ozone over the penguins. If we had not stopped with the hair spray and freon, we would never have been able to watch all these disturbing penguin movies. clay On Feb 23, 2015, at 9:23 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: 40 years ago we had to give up R-12 because of global cooling. Now that we have global warming, why can't we use R-12 again? Seems like it would counteract global warming. Gerry Rich Thomas wrote: So, I posed this question to our guides in Patagonia in the Torres del Paine park in Chile. The mountains there are 4000ish feet high which is more than a kilometer, call it 1.5km. They told us the mountains were under a km of ice, so that makes that the ice was 2.5ish km thick (above current ground level, would have been a lot higher when the sea level was lower because of the snow/ice had a lot of water locked up), call it 7-8000 ft thick, could have been quite a bit more. That ice, except for the Great Southern Ice Sheet up in the mountains, is gone and the climate/weather there is sorta like Colorado, warm in summer, cold in winter. The guides were going on about climate change and global warming, so I asked why 2km of ice melted starting 10,000 years ago or whenever -- there were no power plants or SUVs at that time, and humans were just starting to move over to the Americas, and certainly not way down to El Fin del Mundo. They sorta locked up and dropped the subject and I didn't press it. Note that this expresses no opinion one way or the other on the subject discussed below, but I have not seen an answer to this question. I am wondering if global warming climate change disruption also caused the ice age, but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Then if a big volcano or two lets off, well then you got some pretty serious global cooling. --R On 2/23/15 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4293/9169 - Release Date: 02/23/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
I would agree with your observations regarding values, however, the SL people I know are realists and understand that their cars are, for the most part, pretty much worthless. I paid $5k for a 1997 with 71,000 miles on it a little more than a year ago. Everything on it was in excellent shape, except for the hydraulics. I spent $700 to replace all 11 cylinders with rebuilds from the best rebuilder in the country. For grins I put it on CL here in September or October for $7,500 just to see what would happen. I got a couple of serious lowballers that harassed me constantly over it. I think the highest one wanted to offer me $4500 for it. I had to put CL on his ass because he kept emailing me after I took the listing down. There was a guy who showed up on Benzworld one day with a 1991 SL500 that had something like 3000 miles on it. It was a true garage queen that he had purchased new and barely drove, only in the summer and in dry weather (he lived in SE PA somewhere, I believe.) The car developed some sort of erosion on the block at the head mating surface, causing a head gasket leak. Only fix based on his mechanic and the MB dealer’s diagnosis was to pull the engine, strip it down, weld up the defect and machine the surface. He wanted to sell it as-is. He told us that he was thinking $25k was a fair price, considering the condition and low miles - it truly looked like it had just rolled off the showroom floor. He may have even put it on eBay, I don’t recall. The majority of us encouraged him to have the repairs made and just drive it. He thought he could walk away from it with a big payday. We tried to convince him that in today’s market the car would barely be worth what he wanted if it was 100% intact. Never heard any more. Not sure what he did. R129s are fun cars, but you don’t buy one to make money on it. I figure mine will be around long enough for the grandkids to drive, mebbe. Dan On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:25 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: panzerwagon owners are seriously deluded about the value of their roadsters. Those cars are not going to rise in price for ages. There are too many beat to crap examples and too few set up like new to get the prices asked. Nobody will be willing to throw the money needed to restore them to #1, as you would a w113. I am going out on a limb and say the way these go up in price is as unrestored/preservation class examples. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to
There is always something to do rather than make wise comments about science or evidence. Doing things is rather inexpensive compared to the vast sums of tax that legislation squanders. Squander is reality. The rest of the hub-bub is hot air. We can live with less. We can do more. There is an inane middle ground that everyone can exist within. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that required pulling over four times to let it cool down enough to start driving again. Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? Anyway, I plan on blocking open the thermostat first thing in the am. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
I've done a couple of wheel recovers, so I'll pitch my .02 cents of wisdom into the collective pot.. If you have a Tandy leather store locally, visit them as a supply source for good oil tanned leather that is the correct thickness for your wheel. What you will be using, most likely is leather that is prepared for garments. I suggest you also visit an upholstery supply store that will sell Naugahyde, which is pretty cheap and if you get some that can be stretched in both directions, can be used to make a workable pattern measure twice.. cut once.. good leather isn't cheap. Also.. I suggest that you mount the wheel on a device of your own design that hold the wheel so it is easy for you to work with it, you are going to be a while.. don't rush. Once you have the pattern made that gives you the total length you need to slip the hoop of fabric on the wheel [you should need to stretch it just a bit to get it on the wheel and about 1/4 to 1/3 of the radius of the wheel should bulge into the hoop. Then establish the width of the pattern piece so that it closes the two edges together. Here comes a decision for you to make at that time.. What kind of edge finish do you want at the closure seam? I suggest you will want to allow enough extra material in the wrap width to allow you to turn under a hem and leave two finished edges that butt together at the stitched seam inside the wheel.. Make that decision, and adjust your pattern to accommodate what ever you have decided. Then. cut leather using the pattern.. Then.. turn under the seam hem and stitch it nicely on SWMBO's nice sewing machine.. If you are sewing garment thick leather, a home machine will do it nicely.. trick.. Use a round point needle in the machine.. When you turn under the hem seam, a little white glue will hold the hem in place, not to much, just a finger smear along the seam allowance, turn the hem seam and press it flat with finger pressure, take you time.. think old world craftsman... Once the hem seam is flat.. stitch it, being very careful to make a nice straight edge distance for the stitch line... it will show. Also.. make the hem stitch line wider than you think you should from the turned edge... It's important for the next step. Then... Take the thread out of the machine.. take the thread out of the bobbin.. Set the machine on the widest stitch [ usually something like 12 stitches per inch, perhaps as few as 8, depending on what machine you have] Being very careful to keep the edge distance straight.. stitch a line of holes with the machine between the hem seam you just stitched and the turned edge. Do this on both sides of the strip that is about to become your new steering wheel cover.. You now will have a strip of leather with a nice hem.. and the perfectly spaced lacing holes pre punched. This strip can be made of several shorter pieces if you wish to not have to buy a whole hide of leather. Just join them along end seams with at least 30 degree angles.. to the length. The stitch pattern of the joints is up to you.. french seams, butt seams.. overlaps.. you pick.. Also.. if you wish to have more than one type of leather on the wheel.. you get to decide the layout for that. Then: Using your carefully made pattern, on the machine.. sew the ends of the now prepared strip together to make the hoop which you will stretch over the wheel... you will have to use some judgement based on the chosen leather and how much stretch it has. I'm not a big fan of wet leather.. it will darken the leather and could ruin the finish you desire.. I suggest you will have good success with two good sized needles and the correct waxed thread [bees wax is what you want.. not paraffin wax]. Start lacing the hoop to the wheel. Pay attention to the leather.. it will tell you how much it can stretch. You may find, for the leather you have chosen, you need to make several tack stitches around the diameter of the wheel to close the leather and let it adjust to it's new shape.. before lacing it continuous.. your judgement on that. A light spray to the inside surface of the leather to slightly dampen it could be helpful also.. while you stitch and massage the hoop into the shape of the wheel. Once you are done stitching, with the pattern of lacing you have chosen.. give the new cover a good massage with saddle soap, just like your favorite pair of boots or shoes... This will help stress relieve the leather to let it set to the new shape, and give that nice new leather smell [also cleans all your sweaty finger prints off the leather.. [how do I know this.. ;)) ] Enjoy the adventure.. and think of all the money you saved .. hahaha.. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All good ideas - thanks! Here’s the Instructables for doing it: http://www.instructables.com/id/Reupholstering-a-steering-wheel/?utm_source=baseutm_medium=related-instructablesutm_campaign=related_test
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that required pulling over four times to let it cool down enough to start driving again. Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? Anyway, I plan on blocking open the thermostat first thing in the am. Sent from my iPhone Higher loads = higher EGT. Higher EGT = more heat produced=more cooling is needed=higherHP Thermostat test results will be interesting. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I have one in ME but not with me here in MA. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
