Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Just as an aside, were you using a proper tap wrench when this happened? I've 
only broken one tap before and I was foolishly using an adjustable wrench 
instead of a tap wrench when it happened.
Can you thread your helicoils onto the bolt with it outside of the engine?
-Curt

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>It was like that when I bought it, in fact I had been running it 
>without a belt shock at all for a while but I did not want to do 
>that for long.  I am really not sure how it got stripped out in the 
>first place, but it is just a hole and should have been a simple 
>matter to repair the threats but for some reason it turned into a 
>nightmare.


Breaking drills and taps is the reason.

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Re: [MBZ] SLS in the Wild

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

yabbutt he has an SLS and you don't so who's the doucheboy?

I saw an AMG GT a month or two ago, was in front of me at a stoplight, I 
sorta liked it.  It was a dark gray, kinda like my Suburban, not sure 
the color did much for me but the car generally had some nice 
lines/curves.  I'm surprised I have not yet seen one being driven by a 
Kiawhite, some of those guys (and a gal) over there have some high-end 
iron they like to show off to their fellow rich old white bros.  Have 
not seen any of them vaping though, they are beyond hipstering, they are 
Masters of the Universe.


--R

On 2/8/16 10:49 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Finally saw and SLS AMG out in the real world today. I was going to take a
picture of it, but there's a covey of clowns huddled around it. Looks to be
silver with red leather. Very retro.
The man who it belongs to looks like the lead rower the douche canoe. And
he's vaping. Puffing on the douche flute. This is certainly a crime against
nature.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Paint Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm pretty sure that the 040 was a solid color with no clear coat. Just wanted 
to find out in reference to a possible paint recovery job.

Thanks,

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 11:12 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My '91 350SDL (126) did not have clear coat - just 040 black enamel.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 11:05 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Paint Question
> 
> 
>> Anyone know if Mercedes clear coated 040 Black on W126 chassis cars?
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Go back and watch the first episode of DA and the first episode of Upstairs 
Downstairs, its the exact same episode. DA has much nicer cinematography...
-Curt

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 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
   
Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be told, it’s 
actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They went to 
great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as possible.

Must have been a horrible place.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a show 
> about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
> 
> --R
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[MBZ] SLS in the Wild

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Finally saw and SLS AMG out in the real world today. I was going to take a
picture of it, but there's a covey of clowns huddled around it. Looks to be
silver with red leather. Very retro.
The man who it belongs to looks like the lead rower the douche canoe. And
he's vaping. Puffing on the douche flute. This is certainly a crime against
nature.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did anybody see "London Hospital"? its about the first "modern" hospital. I was 
home sick a couple years ago and caught a couple episodes on Amazon Prime. Its 
gritty and horrifying, very well made with good writing though.
-Curt

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 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
   
The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.

Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s going through. 
 I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it always seems like I’m 
running up against one of her recordings.

Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought that was a 
shoe? 

I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well written, 
but better yet, covered a part of British history I was totally unfamiliar 
with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal shifts that were 
taking place quite interesting, and something I had no former knowledge of.  
The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women who had worked as code 
breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from that aspect as well.  Didn’t 
watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.

Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other show
> I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
> are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say maybe
> once every couple / three weeks.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
I've used this exactly twice in the last 20 years.. it's worked [I got
lucky] both times. I make no claims it will work in your situation, but
pass it along.

Clean the broken tap with spray cleaner that doesn't leave a residue, like
brake cleaner, to remove residual oil.. clean the broken end that you now
have in your hand, Mix and apply JB Weld to the tap end you have in hand.
Put a nice thick coat, but don't go hog wild, you want to fill any spaces
at the crack point where it broke off.. THEN, position the broken shaft to
the broken tap resident in the engine and secure it by any means possible
to keep it from moving while the JB Weld sets up... Once secure, WALK AWAY
 let the J B Weld completely cure.

[I give it a day] .. Then... spray lube the threads down the tap hole so
you aren't pushing dry threads.. put a tap handle on the offending tap..
and GENTLY back it out.. If you get a 1/8 turn out and it feels like it
locks up... go back in and gently back with luck.. you will un lock the
threads of the tap and back it out..
Some back and forth, and you win.. maybe.

Grant...
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> You're not Kaleb, either. He's not a nuke plant operator.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hate seeing this thread on a 98 E 300, especially since I just put one
> of
> > my garage. Except I was smart and got a diesel.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Feb 8, 2016 8:34 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Or tap it out with a bunch, or grind it out with a small die grinder, or
> >> maybe get lucky and have it break beating on it with a small punch...
> >> Lots of options, none of them all that easy.
> >> Actually is it an aluminum casting? Check out AVE on youtube, he
> recently
> >> showed how to use alum to dissolve a steel bolt in an aluminum casting.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
> >>
> >> Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> No there must be a better answer than that
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around with 
crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as with the 
earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY the right 
length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you would never 
have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to repair a wire because 
theres no extra to work with.
My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does with 
wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
-Curt

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Nice color.  At least it is not black.

almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is 
the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.

Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.

But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make 
problems where none existed.

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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You're not Kaleb, either. He's not a nuke plant operator.

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I hate seeing this thread on a 98 E 300, especially since I just put one of
> my garage. Except I was smart and got a diesel.
> 
> Bob R
> On Feb 8, 2016 8:34 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Or tap it out with a bunch, or grind it out with a small die grinder, or
>> maybe get lucky and have it break beating on it with a small punch...
>> Lots of options, none of them all that easy.
>> Actually is it an aluminum casting? Check out AVE on youtube, he recently
>> showed how to use alum to dissolve a steel bolt in an aluminum casting.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
>> 
>> Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>>> No there must be a better answer than that
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Phrynie!  Great show, my daughter put me on to it.  She drives a Hispano 
Suiza and lately bought an airplane!


A lot of those shows are on the PBS web site to watch or on the PBS app 
on the AppleTV (and probably other devices).   PBS have a new show about 
a hospital during the War of Northern Aggression that is kinda slow but 
some good costumes.   It's on the web site/app or on after Downtown Abby.


There is a Brit sort of Netflix thing called AcornTV that has all the 
Brit shows on it too.  My wife got a 30-day trial sub but I have not 
watched it yet.  I think it is like $6-9/month, not a bad deal if you 
are into Brit shows.  A lot of them are on Netflix too so you can binge, 
maybe Amazon Prime.


FOXTV also have an app on the AppleTV so you can watch those shows any 
time, they have the commercials in them though.  Have been catching the 
new X-Files, I don't even know when it is broadcast. Mulder has the 
X-Files theme song as his ring tone on his phone, too funny.


--R

On 2/8/16 5:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That’s on her DVR list.  That’s a pretty good show, too, from what I’ve seen.  
She also watches one with an Australian socialite who solves mystery in the 
1920s, I think.  They have some cool cars on it.

Dan


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If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try Midsomer 
Murders.



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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The Superb Owl telecast was pointed out to me by a cow orker.

Bob R
On Feb 7, 2016 3:40 PM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
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> I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a
> show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] SLS in the Wild

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Vaping is a key indicator of the guy's position in the douche canoe, no doubt 
about it. Put that dammed thing down for one minute...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65_-vNtWLLs
Needs to be updated but the idea is there.
-Curt

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 Subject: [MBZ] SLS in the Wild
   
Finally saw and SLS AMG out in the real world today. I was going to take a
picture of it, but there's a covey of clowns huddled around it. Looks to be
silver with red leather. Very retro.
The man who it belongs to looks like the lead rower the douche canoe. And
he's vaping. Puffing on the douche flute. This is certainly a crime against
nature.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I know some things are best fixed with the checkbook.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 8:48 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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> You're not Kaleb, either. He's not a nuke plant operator.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hate seeing this thread on a 98 E 300, especially since I just put one
> of
> > my garage. Except I was smart and got a diesel.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Feb 8, 2016 8:34 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Or tap it out with a bunch, or grind it out with a small die grinder, or
> >> maybe get lucky and have it break beating on it with a small punch...
> >> Lots of options, none of them all that easy.
> >> Actually is it an aluminum casting? Check out AVE on youtube, he
> recently
> >> showed how to use alum to dissolve a steel bolt in an aluminum casting.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
> >>
> >> Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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[MBZ] Paint Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Anyone know if Mercedes clear coated 040 Black on W126 chassis cars?

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Paint Question

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My '91 350SDL (126) did not have clear coat - just 040 black enamel.

Wilton

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Anyone know if Mercedes clear coated 040 Black on W126 chassis cars?

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There's a really good Brit series with Charlotte Rampling called "Broadchurch" 
that I got caught up in. The second season just started and it's been quite 
engaging.

Probably one of the few TV shows I'll actually take time to sit and watch. That 
reminds me, there are some new episodes on the DVR I need to check out.

Dan

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> Wife is going through the whole series now - - -
> 
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try
>> Midsomer Murders.
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s on her DVR list.  That’s a pretty good show, too, from what I’ve seen.  
She also watches one with an Australian socialite who solves mystery in the 
1920s, I think.  They have some cool cars on it.

Dan

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try Midsomer 
> Murders.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] GP relay for OM603

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I stole the GP relay from another car.  Arkie starts right up now. 
The fuse was good.


The good:  It was dated 1986, so it was the original GP relay.

The bad:  I took it apart and there is a burned component within a 
coil.  Maybe some heater to do with timing?


Has anyone ever repaired a 005 545 45 32 GP relay?

Before it failed, the GP light was not on and before that, it didn't go off.






Sounds like I need to just haul that thing up here.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 6, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:



 SDL I've been working on got hard to start yesterday.  I thought 
maybe air in fuel (bad hose)


 This morning it didn't start with reasonable cranking.  Volts on 
both sides of the fuse, GPs good, no volties coming out the 6 pins. 
I'll try a new fuse before I pronounce it dead, but as of now, it 
looks like it is a high probability of being dead.



 Off to a Mardi gras parade, or I'd swap fuses now.  The old rusty 
SDL, Al (capone) will take me there and back.

 >
 >


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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So how do you do it?

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, and it’s quite simple to do.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you say you have replaced the lumbar bladders in 140 seats?
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
-- 
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'95 E300

On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>M1 and what I use.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>and
>> OM617.
>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>> 
>> Bob R
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[MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
I must protest. The 1980 300SD was the last year of real MB quality. After 
that, MB starting replacing things with plastic, seats that tear and wear, etc. 
My 1980 300SD has over 425,000 miles on dino oil, never had the head off, still 
has the original exhaust, etc. etc. I get it out and drive it sometimes to 
remind myself of what MB used to be. Anyway, we all have our favorites. The 116 
is mine, even with that darn Chrysler servo. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] Finally got it home

[clay via Mercedes]

That is very true about the breakage and access.  Had to remove the head once 
to get at the broken GP.  Same hole (#6) got carboned in again, but mechanic 
was able to remove it without snapping it off.  The carbon is due to lack of 
Italian tune ups, so soot built up in the E300D.

clay

On Feb 6, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
>> On February 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Good information, all.
>> 
>> Since I'll be removing the intake to get at the IP and fuels lines and the
>> like, anyone think I should replace the glow plugs while I'm under there?
> 
> Yes. Two things I've read about 606 glow plugs:
> They aren't very easy to get to when the car's fully assembled.
> They like to get stuck and break off when you remove them, so it's best to
> remove them just to keep them removable. 
> (OTOH, if you do break one, you might wish you hadn't touched them)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Something for Martha

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably has a trashed wiring harness, too.  Ugh.

Dan


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:03 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5415121727.html
> 
> Maybe Poos needs a new toy to add to the collection.  Not sure I could get it 
> all the way to Tampa, but worth a try
> 
> not mine, no interest
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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[MBZ] Something for Martha

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5415121727.html

Maybe Poos needs a new toy to add to the collection.  Not sure I could get it 
all the way to Tampa, but worth a try

not mine, no interest


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My indy agrees 5w40 is the ticket.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 7:56 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Au contraire, 0w40 is a fine oil when its extremely cold. Its the wrong
> choice for Bob. There were many times over the years when it was the right
> choice for me.
> 5w40 strikes a good balance between hot weather and cold I think. The
> manual should have a chart of what thickness oils you can run at what temp.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
>
> It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> >> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
> >> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
> >> M1 and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> >> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How much are those bad boys?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is a DIY on Benzworld:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1447840-photo-diy-lumbar-support-bladder-replacement.html#post3507953
> 
> And here is an abridged (short) version:
> 
> 1.) Remove the panel from the back of the seat by unscrewing the two T20 
> screws in the bottom of the panel.
> 
> 2.) Release the white plastic rivets on the old bladder and slip it out of 
> position under the white foam panel and the seat springs.
> 
> 3.) Remove the new bladder from the foam panel it ships on by releasing the 
> white plastic rivets.
> 
> 4.) Fold up the new bladder and slip it in place where the old bladder was 
> located.  Secure it in place using the white plastic rivets.
> 
> 5.) Cut the vacuum hose on the new bladder as close to the end as possible, 
> Cut the hose of the old bladder as close to the bladder.  Use a short piece 
> of vacuum line or rubber hose to connect the two hoses together.
> 
> 
> I came up with #5 because it’s a real PITA to snake the new hose into place 
> around the seat hinge.  Just cut the hose on both bladders and splice the 
> hoses together and you’re done.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you do it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, and it’s quite simple to do.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Did you say you have replaced the lumbar bladders in 140 seats?
 
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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

So how do you do it?


Send the car and a stack of frankins to the friendly local stealer!

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[MBZ] a question for poos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Did you say you have replaced the lumbar bladders in 140 seats?

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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, and it’s quite simple to do.

Dan


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here is a DIY on Benzworld:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1447840-photo-diy-lumbar-support-bladder-replacement.html#post3507953

And here is an abridged (short) version:

1.) Remove the panel from the back of the seat by unscrewing the two T20 screws 
in the bottom of the panel.

2.) Release the white plastic rivets on the old bladder and slip it out of 
position under the white foam panel and the seat springs.

3.) Remove the new bladder from the foam panel it ships on by releasing the 
white plastic rivets.

4.) Fold up the new bladder and slip it in place where the old bladder was 
located.  Secure it in place using the white plastic rivets.

5.) Cut the vacuum hose on the new bladder as close to the end as possible, Cut 
the hose of the old bladder as close to the bladder.  Use a short piece of 
vacuum line or rubber hose to connect the two hoses together.


I came up with #5 because it’s a real PITA to snake the new hose into place 
around the seat hinge.  Just cut the hose on both bladders and splice the hoses 
together and you’re done.

Dan


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how do you do it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, and it’s quite simple to do.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you say you have replaced the lumbar bladders in 140 seats?
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Re: [MBZ] Thread-forming taps [was: Re: From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping]

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like Kaleb should request some OSG thread-forming taps and drills from 
Regina for Valentine's Day!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 8, 2016 6:36:39 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/33790-Power-tapping-holes-how-is-it-done
>
>
>The comment on  03-13-2009, 03:21 PM #9 by Jim Caudill, Senior Member,
>is quite interesting:
>
>
>I could have written exactly the same thing as RobbieKnobbie. The only
>thing I would add is get some thread forming taps and learn how to use
>them. My progression in learning about tapping is:
>
> #1 Hand taps
> #2 Using only "gun taps"
> #3 Why didn't I start with thread-forming taps to begin with? 
>
>
>A manufacturer's comment about thread-forming taps is at
>
>http://www.balax.com/sites/default/files/photos/Balax_Catalog4.jpg
>
>A thread on that subject is at
>http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/how-thread-forming-tap-used-86164/
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We need the cold, keeps down the bugs and the snakes.
When people cheer for the warm winter weather I ask if they really like ticks 
so much.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube
   
N.E. should get ready for a major storm followed by frigidity

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Its been really warm here, nothing is really frozen, theres no real ice on the 
lakes. Somebody went through one of the lakes on a 4 wheeler the other day. 
Last year we had several feet of ice and kept it until like the first week of 
May...
I bought 4 cords of fire wood last summer and haven't even burnt half of the 
supply I had before I bought. Its good because the stuff I bought wasn't super 
dry. The other day Angie said "I guess we won't get any wood this summer." I 
asked if she thought it would never get cold again... I won't buy as much wood 
this year but I'll still buy some, maybe 3 cords, 4 if the price is good what 
with the cheap price of gas.
-Curt

      From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

Nearly a repeat of last year for us, freezing weather in February which is
not normal at all.  This a.m. there was frost on my back window.  This
coming weekend I see one predicted low of 20 degrees, which is pretty darn
toot'n cold for Chucktown.


-
Max plugging the White Whale's block heater in at night, 'cause I can
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We ARE having very warm weather, and have for all but one week this winter
> - - - (must be present to win).
>
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Re: [MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

All the 116s around here rusted away, stinking Russian steel won't  
hold up to salt.  They rusted away in Germany, too.  Otherwise they  
were great.  Ditto for the W108, other than the rust and new seat  
covers, they last forever.


I'm being forced to decide whether or not to restore my 87 300D with  
400,000 miles or so -- getting hard to start in cold weather, may be  
just bad pressure valve holder seals, may be wear (it had 250k on it  
when I got in, unknown maintenance).  I can get it back to factory,  
but don't know if it's worth the time and effort on a nearly 30 year  
old car


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>> M1 and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>> and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Au contraire, 0w40 is a fine oil when its extremely cold. Its the wrong choice 
for Bob. There were many times over the years when it was the right choice for 
me.
5w40 strikes a good balance between hot weather and cold I think. The manual 
should have a chart of what thickness oils you can run at what temp.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread
   
It's a diesel, the 0w40 is the wrong oil.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought it'd use the M1 0w-40 European flavor?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 8, 2016 6:36:12 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
>> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than
>> M1 and what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
>> and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] a question for poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would have to look it up, but I think they were around $60 list price.

If someone tells you they’re NLA, make sure they’re looking up the proper part. 
 The multi-contour seat bladders are all discontinued, but the regular lumbar 
bladder isn’t.

Dan

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much are those bad boys?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Both, although the women bare more

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> are they nekkid wymyns or nekkid dudes?
>
> --R
>
> On 2/8/16 1:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK, anybody watching Billions on HBO with Paul Giamatti?  Lots of nudity,
>> f-words, blackmail, and other edgy stuff.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Did anybody see "London Hospital"? its about the first "modern" hospital.
>>> I was home sick a couple years ago and caught a couple episodes on Amazon
>>> Prime. Its gritty and horrifying, very well made with good writing
>>> though.
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>   To: Mercedes List 
>>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>>>   Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:25 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
>>>
>>> The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.
>>>
>>> Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s going
>>> through.  I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it always
>>> seems like I’m running up against one of her recordings.
>>>
>>> Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought that was
>>> a
>>> shoe? 
>>>
>>> I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well
>>> written, but better yet, covered a part of British history I was totally
>>> unfamiliar with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal
>>> shifts
>>> that were taking place quite interesting, and something I had no former
>>> knowledge of.  The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women who had
>>> worked as code breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from that
>>> aspect
>>> as well.  Didn’t watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.
>>>
>>> Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other

>>> show
>>>
 I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.
 Those
 are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say

>>> maybe
>>>
 once every couple / three weeks.

 -
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 Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Phrynie!  Great show, my daughter put me on to it.  She drives a 
Hispano Suiza and lately bought an airplane!


Even I, a straight guy, noticed how fancy Fisher's outfits are.
Pretty amazing costuming.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] And another LeMons car opportunity

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5405801547.html

I already made a mess of the W115 from last year, but for some reason the 
concept of getting a benz on the track appeals.  No cash left to actually field 
a car or team, but  a fool can dream


clay 

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[MBZ] Continental tars

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

will be made in the Jackson, MS area within a couple years.

http://www.continentaltire.com/node/4653

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

N.E. should get ready for a major storm followed by frigidity

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Its been really warm here, nothing is really frozen, theres no real ice on
> the lakes. Somebody went through one of the lakes on a 4 wheeler the other
> day. Last year we had several feet of ice and kept it until like the first
> week of May...
> I bought 4 cords of fire wood last summer and haven't even burnt half of
> the supply I had before I bought. Its good because the stuff I bought
> wasn't super dry. The other day Angie said "I guess we won't get any wood
> this summer." I asked if she thought it would never get cold again... I
> won't buy as much wood this year but I'll still buy some, maybe 3 cords, 4
> if the price is good what with the cheap price of gas.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube
>
> Nearly a repeat of last year for us, freezing weather in February which is
> not normal at all.  This a.m. there was frost on my back window.  This
> coming weekend I see one predicted low of 20 degrees, which is pretty darn
> toot'n cold for Chucktown.
>
>
> -
> Max plugging the White Whale's block heater in at night, 'cause I can
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > We ARE having very warm weather, and have for all but one week this
> winter
> > - - - (must be present to win).
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm nekkid right now as I type, underneath my PJs and underwear...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 8, 2016 10:11:50 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Both, although the women bare more
>
>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> are they nekkid wymyns or nekkid dudes?
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 2/8/16 1:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> OK, anybody watching Billions on HBO with Paul Giamatti?  Lots of
>nudity,
>>> f-words, blackmail, and other edgy stuff.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did anybody see "London Hospital"? its about the first "modern"
>hospital.
 I was home sick a couple years ago and caught a couple episodes on
>Amazon
 Prime. Its gritty and horrifying, very well made with good writing
 though.
 -Curt

From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
   To: Mercedes List 
 Cc: Dan Penoff 
   Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:25 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

 The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.

 Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s
>going
 through.  I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it
>always
 seems like I’m running up against one of her recordings.

 Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought
>that was
 a
 shoe? 

 I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well
 written, but better yet, covered a part of British history I was
>totally
 unfamiliar with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal
 shifts
 that were taking place quite interesting, and something I had no
>former
 knowledge of.  The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women
>who had
 worked as code breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from
>that
 aspect
 as well.  Didn’t watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.

 Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"

 On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some
>other
>
 show

> I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.
> Those
> are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to
>say
>
 maybe

> once every couple / three weeks.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Or tap it out with a bunch, or grind it out with a small die grinder, or maybe 
get lucky and have it break beating on it with a small punch...
Lots of options, none of them all that easy.
Actually is it an aluminum casting? Check out AVE on youtube, he recently 
showed how to use alum to dissolve a steel bolt in an aluminum casting.
-Curt

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 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
   
Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> No there must be a better answer than that
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I hate seeing this thread on a 98 E 300, especially since I just put one of
my garage. Except I was smart and got a diesel.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 8:34 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Or tap it out with a bunch, or grind it out with a small die grinder, or
> maybe get lucky and have it break beating on it with a small punch...
> Lots of options, none of them all that easy.
> Actually is it an aluminum casting? Check out AVE on youtube, he recently
> showed how to use alum to dissolve a steel bolt in an aluminum casting.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:29 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
>
> Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > No there must be a better answer than that
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm gonna guess the relay is expensive and thats why my (formerly Dwight's, now 
Dimitri's) '78 240D had/has a button in the dash. The button goes to a starter 
relay on the firewall, hold the button for 20-30 seconds, then start the 
car.Whoever did the initial conversion used wires that were much to small, like 
16ga. I upgraded to 10ga which was the biggest I could get locally. Fred gave 
me wire that I think was 8ga which I ended up using for battery cables on my 
lawn tractor...
-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Scott Ritchey 
 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
   
The pencil plug upgrade kit still uses the existing under dash glow
timer/relay, at least it did when I did my TD some years back.  Maybe there
is something new now?  Another route would be to convert to the inside
ender-mounted relay used on the later models; should be available cheap
used.

By the way, my TD started and ran much better with the pencil plugs.  As
mentioned earlier, pencil-style plugs are available that screw into the
old-style head.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 1:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
> 
> Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and
15-510
> lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start
> measuring voltage at the various pins.
> 
> I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to
> the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Before I forget, if you do the push button thing remember 2 problems I had:
#1. The hot wire from the relay to the fuse fell onto the exhaust manifold and 
shorted out.#2. The light in the dash came from the power supply to the 
relay.Those two together meant that when #1 happened I didn't know about it 
until the car mysteriously wouldn't start.
Better system is hot wire to the fuse, then to the relay, from the hot side of 
the relay to the glow plugs AND the dash light. That way if the fuse blows you 
don't get a light and you don't get the sound of the relay closing.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 3:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
   
Philip,

50A is correct, according to the service manual.  We installed an 80A
because (1) that's all I have and (2) that's what was there.  Now we know
better...

Perhaps the push-button modification will be where we end up, I'll offer
that as a possibility.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:40 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> I think the series plugs use a 50 A fuse, but now I'm picking
> an nits.
>
> Personally, I would convert it to parallel with a button on
> the dash.  By far, that is my favorite way to pre-glow.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] rod benders

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

There is one on RI Craigslist now.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 6, 2016 9:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I hardly ever see 350SDL's for sale.  All the sudden on ebay there have
> been like 4-5 pop in the last couple of days and several on Craigslist, in
> addition to the burned one I bought.
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dan, you almost managed to write Amazon directly above where I wrote Amazon.
Keep trying, you'll get it there. ;)
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner
   
You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use anything 
else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last a long time. 
 The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
> Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
> otherwise.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
> Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
> best place to buy it?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As stated previously you need to keep water out of the lock...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curt Raymond ; Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube
   
Is it also have antifreeze properties?

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Got a can of the Houdini lock lube you guys were talking up so much. I had an 
order to put in on Amazon anyway so I'd chucked a can in.The lock coming into 
the house was getting sticky, it fixed that a treat, its perfect now. It also 
seems to have worked well on the persistently sticky trunk lock on the Jetta 
but I've been fooled on that before, I'll give it a week before I call that 
totally sorted.It didn't work very well on the basement lock thats been getting 
stiff. That one feels like something might be binding, I'd better pull it apart 
and have a look...
Overall seems like good stuff, smells nice too.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Guess I missed that one. Sorry!

I also have a spray can of their sliding rheostat cleaner. Good stuff for 
cleaning out the sliders on sound boards, equalizers, etc.

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, you almost managed to write Amazon directly above where I wrote Amazon.
> Keep trying, you'll get it there. ;)
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK, anybody watching Billions on HBO with Paul Giamatti?  Lots of nudity,
f-words, blackmail, and other edgy stuff.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did anybody see "London Hospital"? its about the first "modern" hospital.
> I was home sick a couple years ago and caught a couple episodes on Amazon
> Prime. Its gritty and horrifying, very well made with good writing though.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
>
> The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.
>
> Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s going
> through.  I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it always
> seems like I’m running up against one of her recordings.
>
> Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought that was a
> shoe? 
>
> I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well
> written, but better yet, covered a part of British history I was totally
> unfamiliar with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal shifts
> that were taking place quite interesting, and something I had no former
> knowledge of.  The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women who had
> worked as code breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from that aspect
> as well.  Didn’t watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.
>
> Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other
> show
> > I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
> > are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say
> maybe
> > once every couple / three weeks.
> >
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> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would think a great deal. That puts a pretty significant load on the tap, I 
would think.

Dan

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> wrote:
> 
> Thats how I was taught too, I usually use 1/2 turn in, 1 turn back.
> You see a lot of guys on YouTube just cranking them down. I wonder how fast 
> they ruin taps and how often the break them.
> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Hey Curt,
Time to return to a MB. LOL

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around
> with crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as
> with the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY
> the right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you
> would never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to
> repair a wire because theres no extra to work with.
> My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does
> with wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>
> Nice color.  At least it is not black.
>
> almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
> the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
>
> Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
>
> But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
> problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone see the rare split window VW Bug "barn find" on American Pickers
last night?  It was apparently imported by Max Hoffman in the 1950s and
worth over $20 K, even unrestored with a non-original engine.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Figured that was coming. ;)
> I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as
> nice as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
> The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so I
> don't have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better weather.
> At least its rear brakes...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dwight Giles 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond <
> curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>
> Hey Curt,
> Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around
> with crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as
> with the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY
> the right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you
> would never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to
> repair a wire because theres no extra to work with.
> My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does
> with wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>
> Nice color.  At least it is not black.
>
> almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
> the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
>
> Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
>
> But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
> problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I am waiting for a nice warm day to tackle that issue.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As stated previously you need to keep water out of the lock...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond ; Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com
> >
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 3:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube
>
> Is it also have antifreeze properties?
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Got a can of the Houdini lock lube you guys were talking up so much. I had
> an order to put in on Amazon anyway so I'd chucked a can in.The lock coming
> into the house was getting sticky, it fixed that a treat, its perfect now.
> It also seems to have worked well on the persistently sticky trunk lock on
> the Jetta but I've been fooled on that before, I'll give it a week before I
> call that totally sorted.It didn't work very well on the basement lock
> thats been getting stiff. That one feels like something might be binding,
> I'd better pull it apart and have a look...
> Overall seems like good stuff, smells nice too.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was taught - one forward, 
two back. Oil up or clear it out if full of chips.

Dan tap technique 

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:38 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help avoid
> breaking them is to turn backwards often to break off the
> chips created by the cutting.  That can be as little cutting as:
> 
> cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat
> 
> or as much cutting as:
> 
> cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat.
> 
> Also, using a lubricate is a good idea.  A respectable
> hardware store should carry thread cutting oil.  Or mix lard
> 2:1 with kerosene or diesel for iron and steel.  I don't
> remember what's a good choice for aluminum...
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I have looked at these little milling machines, some of them say they 
will do tapping and have some sort of tapping speed or something.  It 
looks like they just go at it like a drill bit, though slower, and I've 
wondered how those things can not break taps off doing it that way.  
Anyone ever done tapping on a milling machine?


--R

On 2/8/16 2:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

fmiser wrote:

When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
little cutting as:

cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
- repeat

or as much cutting as:

cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
repeat.

Dan wrote:

Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
full of chips.

Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.

I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
with right now.

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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

are they nekkid wymyns or nekkid dudes?

--R

On 2/8/16 1:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

OK, anybody watching Billions on HBO with Paul Giamatti?  Lots of nudity,
f-words, blackmail, and other edgy stuff.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Did anybody see "London Hospital"? its about the first "modern" hospital.
I was home sick a couple years ago and caught a couple episodes on Amazon
Prime. Its gritty and horrifying, very well made with good writing though.
-Curt

   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.

Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s going
through.  I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it always
seems like I’m running up against one of her recordings.

Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought that was a
shoe? 

I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well
written, but better yet, covered a part of British history I was totally
unfamiliar with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal shifts
that were taking place quite interesting, and something I had no former
knowledge of.  The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women who had
worked as code breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from that aspect
as well.  Didn’t watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.

Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"


On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other

show

I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say

maybe

once every couple / three weeks.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I did brakes on my '84 190D I couldn't get 'em bled to save my life. I 
tried the old school pump the pedal technique, the Mity vac technique and even 
the push fluid up the pipe trick, nothing worked.
I borrowed Fred's power bleeder and was done 2 minutes later. His connects to a 
tire for air pressure, it came with the right size cap for my car and worked 
perfectly.
The kit I ordered has the right cap for the Golf although the rest is more like 
a pump sprayer. I know I could have just bought a pump sprayer but this wasn't 
that expensive and already has the right bits for no fuss. The Golf has ABS and 
I've been told that for ABS cars a power bleeder is a must. That said I did 
front calipers on the Ranger with no power bleeder, just don't let the 
reservoir go dry...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
   
Use a MityVac and a bleeder bottle. Cheaper and probably just as easy, maybe 
not quite as much.

I have a power bleeder and have never been able to get it to work well. Maybe 
I'm doing something wrong, who knows, but I always end up going back to my 
MityVac and bleeder jar.

I had a bad experience with a power bleeder once where the cap came off the 
reservoir and sprayed brake fluid all over the painted finish of the car. Not 
good. Ever since then I've been gun shy of them, and when I do use one, I cover 
everything with a towel so nothing will splatter if it lets go.

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Figured that was coming. ;)
> I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as nice 
> as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
> The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so I 
> don't have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better weather. 
> At least its rear brakes...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Dwight Giles 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond 
>  
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> Hey Curt,
> Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around with 
> crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as with 
> the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY the 
> right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you would 
> never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to repair a wire 
> because theres no extra to work with.
> My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does with 
> wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> Nice color.  At least it is not black.
> 
> almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
> the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
> 
> Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
> 
> But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
> problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dan.
If you are going to "Toss" the Speedi-Bleed, send it to me. I'll pay for 
shipping.
I too had a Speedi-Bleed failure when the brake reservoir blew out a section 
from the front, oil everywhere.
Also the little rubber caps have to be good and not cracked/rotten.
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 08 February 2016 20:07
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

I have seen them work and they are impressive, but I must have a power bleeder 
curse.

I have a "Speedibleed" from years back that I need to toss, as it won't hold 
pressure for any length of time, and a later pump sprayer type that definitely 
works better than the Speedibleed.

However, I don't like having to dump a large amount of pristine brake fluid 
into the pump sprayer one as I feel like it's tainted once it's pour into this 
thing.  And there's no way I would leave the leftover fluid in the bleeder.

Maybe you can demo it at the next CQ?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:55:27 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks Philip and all, Eric has tested for power at the appropriate
> pins of the relay socket, and power is there when it should be, so it
> looks like time for a replacement relay.

You _could_ replace it with a starter relay (like old Fords used) and a
push-button switch.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:04:19 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Our county sheriff has an area at each of their regional sites where
> you can meet up for stuff like this.  Cameras, sheriffs in clear view,
> plenty of security.

More places should do that!


> I told the buyer that’s where I would meet them.
> 
> Never heard back.  Hmm.

Indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I have done it on a lathe. The same would work fine on a mill, but I would
not use power. Either lathe or mill is good for alignment, using a
spring-loaded adapter to encourage the tap forward.

Also, I have read that gunsmiths in particular, might prefer to use carbon
steel taps instead of high speed steel. The point is that if they break off
they can be broken out by hitting with a hammer and punch since they tend to
be more brittle. I have not verified this myself. I've been careful (and
lucky!) not having broken off a tap as yet.

I have tried the alum solution to dissolve a screw. I was unsuccessful with
this as it was likely a stainless alloy which did not dissolve.

I think that any tapping fluid would work ok for aluminum (Al). I have read
that WD-40 is a good cutting fluid for Al, I just use my regular all-purpose
cutting fluids for cutting or tapping in Al. No problems or issues.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

I have looked at these little milling machines, some of them say they 
will do tapping and have some sort of tapping speed or something.  It 
looks like they just go at it like a drill bit, though slower, and I've 
wondered how those things can not break taps off doing it that way.  
Anyone ever done tapping on a milling machine?

--R

On 2/8/16 2:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>>
>>> When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
>>> avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
>>> off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
>>> little cutting as:
>>>
>>> cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
>>> - repeat
>>>
>>> or as much cutting as:
>>>
>>> cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
>>> repeat.
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
>> taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
>> full of chips.
> Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
> the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
> seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.
>
> I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
> will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
> here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
> with right now.
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Kaleb wrote:
> > > 
> > > How the heck am I going to get this hardened tap out of
> > > the hole?

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > There are tap extractors.  Arms stick down to fit in the
> > slots down the side of the tap.

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> Yep got a set on the way from Amazon along with a new
> condenser and drier

When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help avoid
breaking them is to turn backwards often to break off the
chips created by the cutting.  That can be as little cutting as:

 cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat

or as much cutting as:

 cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat.

Also, using a lubricate is a good idea.  A respectable
hardware store should carry thread cutting oil.  Or mix lard
2:1 with kerosene or diesel for iron and steel.  I don't
remember what's a good choice for aluminum...

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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats how I was taught too, I usually use 1/2 turn in, 1 turn back.
You see a lot of guys on YouTube just cranking them down. I wonder how fast 
they ruin taps and how often the break them.
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare
   
Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was taught - one forward, 
two back. Oil up or clear it out if full of chips.

Dan tap technique 

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:38 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help avoid
> breaking them is to turn backwards often to break off the
> chips created by the cutting.  That can be as little cutting as:
> 
> cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat
> 
> or as much cutting as:
> 
> cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips - repeat.
> 
> Also, using a lubricate is a good idea.  A respectable
> hardware store should carry thread cutting oil.  Or mix lard
> 2:1 with kerosene or diesel for iron and steel.  I don't
> remember what's a good choice for aluminum...
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Figured that was coming. ;)
I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as nice 
as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so I don't 
have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better weather. At least 
its rear brakes...
-Curt

  From: Dwight Giles 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond 
 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
   
Hey Curt,
Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around with 
crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as with the 
earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY the right 
length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you would never 
have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to repair a wire because 
theres no extra to work with.
My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does with 
wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
-Curt

      From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

Nice color.  At least it is not black.

almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.

Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.

But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
problems where none existed.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I saw that episode. Where did you get that info? Did you see the one a 
couple weeks ago about them picking up a car they bought earlier and took to OK 
to get restored, then drove up to where they bought it. They drove right thru 
my town (well old town) which was all in the show. It's funny the editing job 
they do had them at several different points which jumped all around. If you 
were from the area you would know the order of the scenes and where they were 
made no sense, but otherwise probably would not have

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone see the rare split window VW Bug "barn find" on American Pickers
> last night?  It was apparently imported by Max Hoffman in the 1950s and
> worth over $20 K, even unrestored with a non-original engine.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Figured that was coming. ;)
>> I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as
>> nice as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
>> The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so I
>> don't have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better weather.
>> At least its rear brakes...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Dwight Giles 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond <
>> curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>> 
>> Hey Curt,
>> Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 1990 300D
>> Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around
>> with crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as
>> with the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY
>> the right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you
>> would never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to
>> repair a wire because theres no extra to work with.
>> My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does
>> with wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>> To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>> 
>> Nice color.  At least it is not black.
>> 
>> almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
>> the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
>> 
>> Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
>> 
>> But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
>> problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
> > avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
> > off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
> > little cutting as:
> > 
> > cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
> > - repeat
> > 
> > or as much cutting as:
> > 
> > cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
> > repeat.

> Dan wrote:
> 
> Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
> taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
> full of chips.

Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.

I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
with right now.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Use a MityVac and a bleeder bottle. Cheaper and probably just as easy, maybe 
not quite as much.

I have a power bleeder and have never been able to get it to work well. Maybe 
I'm doing something wrong, who knows, but I always end up going back to my 
MityVac and bleeder jar.

I had a bad experience with a power bleeder once where the cap came off the 
reservoir and sprayed brake fluid all over the painted finish of the car. Not 
good. Ever since then I've been gun shy of them, and when I do use one, I cover 
everything with a towel so nothing will splatter if it lets go.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Figured that was coming. ;)
> I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as nice 
> as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
> The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so I 
> don't have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better weather. 
> At least its rear brakes...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dwight Giles 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond 
>  
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> Hey Curt,
> Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around with 
> crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as with 
> the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY the 
> right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you would 
> never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to repair a wire 
> because theres no extra to work with.
> My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does with 
> wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> Nice color.  At least it is not black.
> 
> almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
> the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
> 
> Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
> 
> But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
> problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Kaleb, I Tivo'ed that episode but it originally aired a week or two ago.
The follow-up showed them at the restoration shop, where the owner gave
them the bad news about the engine being too badly  corroded to repair.  In
deciding whether to fix up the car enough to make it driveable ($6k!) the
question was whether Max Hoffman's ownership might make a difference in the
value.  the answer was a resounding "yes".

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I did brakes on my '84 190D I couldn't get 'em bled to save my life.
> I tried the old school pump the pedal technique, the Mity vac technique and
> even the push fluid up the pipe trick, nothing worked.
> I borrowed Fred's power bleeder and was done 2 minutes later. His connects
> to a tire for air pressure, it came with the right size cap for my car and
> worked perfectly.
> The kit I ordered has the right cap for the Golf although the rest is more
> like a pump sprayer. I know I could have just bought a pump sprayer but
> this wasn't that expensive and already has the right bits for no fuss. The
> Golf has ABS and I've been told that for ABS cars a power bleeder is a
> must. That said I did front calipers on the Ranger with no power bleeder,
> just don't let the reservoir go dry...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:37 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>
> Use a MityVac and a bleeder bottle. Cheaper and probably just as easy,
> maybe not quite as much.
>
> I have a power bleeder and have never been able to get it to work well.
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong, who knows, but I always end up going back
> to my MityVac and bleeder jar.
>
> I had a bad experience with a power bleeder once where the cap came off
> the reservoir and sprayed brake fluid all over the painted finish of the
> car. Not good. Ever since then I've been gun shy of them, and when I do use
> one, I cover everything with a towel so nothing will splatter if it lets go.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Figured that was coming. ;)
> > I'm actually not that big a fan of driving the Golf, its okay but not as
> nice as an MB, I actually like driving the Jetta more, its more 240D like.
> > The Golf needs rear calipers, I finally bought a power brake bleeder so
> I don't have to borrow Fred's any more. Now I'll just wait on better
> weather. At least its rear brakes...
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Dwight Giles 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond <
> curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 1:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> >
> > Hey Curt,
> > Time to return to a MB. LOLDwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
> > Wickford RIOn Feb 8, 2016 11:13 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > At least MB got over it relatively quick. VW seems to have farted around
> with crap wires for several more years. My '98 has 'em though not as bad as
> with the earlier cars. VW's other problem is that the wires are all EXACTLY
> the right length with no strain relief and the apparent assumption that you
> would never have to monkey with anything. It can be very difficult to
> repair a wire because theres no extra to work with.
> > My '05 Golf doesn't seem to have anywhere near the issues the '98 does
> with wiring although being 7 years newer probably helps.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> >  Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:28 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> >
> > Nice color.  At least it is not black.
> >
> > almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is
> > the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.
> >
> > Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.
> >
> > But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make
> > problems where none existed.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have seen them work and they are impressive, but I must have a power bleeder 
curse.

I have a "Speedibleed" from years back that I need to toss, as it won't hold 
pressure for any length of time, and a later pump sprayer type that definitely 
works better than the Speedibleed.

However, I don't like having to dump a large amount of pristine brake fluid 
into the pump sprayer one as I feel like it's tainted once it's pour into this 
thing.  And there's no way I would leave the leftover fluid in the bleeder.

Maybe you can demo it at the next CQ?

Dan

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When I did brakes on my '84 190D I couldn't get 'em bled to save my life. I 
> tried the old school pump the pedal technique, the Mity vac technique and 
> even the push fluid up the pipe trick, nothing worked.
> I borrowed Fred's power bleeder and was done 2 minutes later. His connects to 
> a tire for air pressure, it came with the right size cap for my car and 
> worked perfectly.
> The kit I ordered has the right cap for the Golf although the rest is more 
> like a pump sprayer. I know I could have just bought a pump sprayer but this 
> wasn't that expensive and already has the right bits for no fuss. The Golf 
> has ABS and I've been told that for ABS cars a power bleeder is a must. That 
> said I did front calipers on the Ranger with no power bleeder, just don't let 
> the reservoir go dry...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig,

That is what it looks like is included in the $160 kit from Kent
"MerecedesSource" Bergsma, plus wires and the new pencil-style glow plugs
with the larger outside diameter like the old filament plugs, plus two 80A
fuses.

I'm not sure which way Eric is going to go, I'd like to have a try and
fixing the old relay, thanks to Curly and all who have helped out here.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:55:27 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Philip and all, Eric has tested for power at the appropriate
> > pins of the relay socket, and power is there when it should be, so it
> > looks like time for a replacement relay.
>
> You _could_ replace it with a starter relay (like old Fords used) and a
> push-button switch.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Nearly a repeat of last year for us, freezing weather in February which is
not normal at all.  This a.m. there was frost on my back window.  This
coming weekend I see one predicted low of 20 degrees, which is pretty darn
toot'n cold for Chucktown.


-
Max plugging the White Whale's block heater in at night, 'cause I can
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We ARE having very warm weather, and have for all but one week this winter
> - - - (must be present to win).
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its been really warm here, nothing is really frozen, theres no real ice on the 
lakes. Somebody went through one of the lakes on a 4 wheeler the other day. 
Last year we had several feet of ice and kept it until like the first week of 
May...
I bought 4 cords of fire wood last summer and haven't even burnt half of the 
supply I had before I bought. Its good because the stuff I bought wasn't super 
dry. The other day Angie said "I guess we won't get any wood this summer." I 
asked if she thought it would never get cold again... I won't buy as much wood 
this year but I'll still buy some, maybe 3 cords, 4 if the price is good what 
with the cheap price of gas.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube
   
Nearly a repeat of last year for us, freezing weather in February which is
not normal at all.  This a.m. there was frost on my back window.  This
coming weekend I see one predicted low of 20 degrees, which is pretty darn
toot'n cold for Chucktown.


-
Max plugging the White Whale's block heater in at night, 'cause I can
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We ARE having very warm weather, and have for all but one week this winter
> - - - (must be present to win).
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The power of the Googs provides this pretty good thread  (get it, 
thread?) 
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/33790-Power-tapping-holes-how-is-it-done


--R

On 2/8/16 4:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

IIRC there are taps made for machine tapping, I forget what they're called, 
machine taps maybe. They look like a cross between a drill bit and a regular 
tap, maybe they're called twist taps...
-Curt

   From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 4:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

I have done it on a lathe. The same would work fine on a mill, but I would

not use power. Either lathe or mill is good for alignment, using a
spring-loaded adapter to encourage the tap forward.

Also, I have read that gunsmiths in particular, might prefer to use carbon
steel taps instead of high speed steel. The point is that if they break off
they can be broken out by hitting with a hammer and punch since they tend to
be more brittle. I have not verified this myself. I've been careful (and
lucky!) not having broken off a tap as yet.

I have tried the alum solution to dissolve a screw. I was unsuccessful with
this as it was likely a stainless alloy which did not dissolve.

I think that any tapping fluid would work ok for aluminum (Al). I have read
that WD-40 is a good cutting fluid for Al, I just use my regular all-purpose
cutting fluids for cutting or tapping in Al. No problems or issues.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

I have looked at these little milling machines, some of them say they
will do tapping and have some sort of tapping speed or something.  It
looks like they just go at it like a drill bit, though slower, and I've
wondered how those things can not break taps off doing it that way.
Anyone ever done tapping on a milling machine?

--R

On 2/8/16 2:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

fmiser wrote:

When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
little cutting as:

cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
- repeat

or as much cutting as:

cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
repeat.

Dan wrote:

Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
full of chips.

Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.

I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
with right now.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I didn't see the episode (not any of the show for that matter), but my
first and second cars were both 1951 split rear window bugs (second was the
parts car). One was the deluxe model - aluminum trim strips and hydraulic
brakes! No synchro in the tranny (never was - built that way), semaphore
arm turn signals (with added lights on the fenders), 1100 cc engine rated
at 25HP.
I paid $125 for the first, $50 for the second one (1964-5), and sold them
for $500 and $100 respectively about five years later. The dune buggy guys
coveted the 16" rims back then.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone see the rare split window VW Bug "barn find" on American Pickers
> last night?  It was apparently imported by Max Hoffman in the 1950s and
> worth over $20 K, even unrestored with a non-original engine.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Algore will have us some nice warm weather ANY DAY NOW!!!...

Wow you just keep walking right into them!

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I am waiting for a nice warm day to tackle that issue.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

IIRC there are taps made for machine tapping, I forget what they're called, 
machine taps maybe. They look like a cross between a drill bit and a regular 
tap, maybe they're called twist taps...
-Curt

  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 4:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping
   
I have done it on a lathe. The same would work fine on a mill, but I would
not use power. Either lathe or mill is good for alignment, using a
spring-loaded adapter to encourage the tap forward.

Also, I have read that gunsmiths in particular, might prefer to use carbon
steel taps instead of high speed steel. The point is that if they break off
they can be broken out by hitting with a hammer and punch since they tend to
be more brittle. I have not verified this myself. I've been careful (and
lucky!) not having broken off a tap as yet.

I have tried the alum solution to dissolve a screw. I was unsuccessful with
this as it was likely a stainless alloy which did not dissolve.

I think that any tapping fluid would work ok for aluminum (Al). I have read
that WD-40 is a good cutting fluid for Al, I just use my regular all-purpose
cutting fluids for cutting or tapping in Al. No problems or issues.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

I have looked at these little milling machines, some of them say they 
will do tapping and have some sort of tapping speed or something.  It 
looks like they just go at it like a drill bit, though slower, and I've 
wondered how those things can not break taps off doing it that way.  
Anyone ever done tapping on a milling machine?

--R

On 2/8/16 2:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>>
>>> When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
>>> avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
>>> off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
>>> little cutting as:
>>>
>>> cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
>>> - repeat
>>>
>>> or as much cutting as:
>>>
>>> cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
>>> repeat.
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
>> taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
>> full of chips.
> Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
> the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
> seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.
>
> I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
> will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
> here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
> with right now.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We ARE having very warm weather, and have for all but one week this winter
- - - (must be present to win).

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Algore will have us some nice warm weather ANY DAY NOW!!!...
>
> Wow you just keep walking right into them!
>
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're twisted...

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping
   
The power of the Googs provides this pretty good thread  (get it, 
thread?) 
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/33790-Power-tapping-holes-how-is-it-done

--R

On 2/8/16 4:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> IIRC there are taps made for machine tapping, I forget what they're called, 
> machine taps maybe. They look like a cross between a drill bit and a regular 
> tap, maybe they're called twist taps...
> -Curt
>
>        From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
>  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 4:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping
>    
> I have done it on a lathe. The same would work fine on a mill, but I would
> not use power. Either lathe or mill is good for alignment, using a
> spring-loaded adapter to encourage the tap forward.
>
> Also, I have read that gunsmiths in particular, might prefer to use carbon
> steel taps instead of high speed steel. The point is that if they break off
> they can be broken out by hitting with a hammer and punch since they tend to
> be more brittle. I have not verified this myself. I've been careful (and
> lucky!) not having broken off a tap as yet.
>
> I have tried the alum solution to dissolve a screw. I was unsuccessful with
> this as it was likely a stainless alloy which did not dissolve.
>
> I think that any tapping fluid would work ok for aluminum (Al). I have read
> that WD-40 is a good cutting fluid for Al, I just use my regular all-purpose
> cutting fluids for cutting or tapping in Al. No problems or issues.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
> Thomas via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 1:23 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping
>
> I have looked at these little milling machines, some of them say they
> will do tapping and have some sort of tapping speed or something.  It
> looks like they just go at it like a drill bit, though slower, and I've
> wondered how those things can not break taps off doing it that way.
> Anyone ever done tapping on a milling machine?
>
> --R
>
> On 2/8/16 2:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
 fmiser wrote:

 When using a tap - or a die - a technique that can help
 avoid breaking them is to turn backwards often to break
 off the chips created by the cutting.  That can be as
 little cutting as:

 cut for 1/8 turn forward - 1/4 turn back to remove chips
 - repeat

 or as much cutting as:

 cut for 2 or 3 turns - 1/4 turn back to remove chips -
 repeat.
>>> Dan wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't that how you're supposed to do it? That's how I was
>>> taught - one forward, two back. Oil up or clear it out if
>>> full of chips.
>> Just because some of us know that doesn't mean everyone one
>> the list or anyone reading the archive will know.  This
>> seemed to be a good opportunity to mention the process.
>>
>> I have no knowledge of how Kaleb was using the tap, and taps
>> will break even when used correctly.  But maybe a few words
>> here will save someone else the frustration Kaleb is dealing
>> with right now.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be 
M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 
cheaper than M1 and what I use.


Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
 OM617.
 Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?


 > Bob R
 >


What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob 
Needs to know that piece too!


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's 5w40

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
>> diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and 
>> what I use.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
>>> OM617.
>>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
>> > Bob R
>> >
> 
> What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob Needs to 
> know that piece too!
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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I was fairly certain my hell here required 5w40. It was 84 today already.
Ugh.

Bob R
On Feb 8, 2016 5:35 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's 5w40
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >> For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1
> turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1
> and what I use.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616,
> and
> >>> OM617.
> >>> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> >> > Bob R
> >> >
> >
> > What weight is recommended for summer/hell use in the OM606?   Bob Needs
> to know that piece too!
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Actually the time the car mysteriously wouldn't start I got to seriously 
impress a co-worker. It took me a minute to find that the fuse was blown but it 
really just sort of cracked right by the screw. I managed to twist the fuse and 
get the end under the screw head so it would contact again. A bread tie held 
the wire off the exhaust manifold and I was just getting done as this clueless 
accountant comes over to ask if I'm okay. I said "I think so, lemmie check" and 
the car fired right up. He was astonished that I'd fixed it in the parking lot 
with a bread tie. Told everybody around the office I was MacGyver
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
   
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:40:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Before I forget, if you do the push button thing remember 2 problems I
> had:
> #1. The hot wire from the relay to the fuse fell onto the exhaust
>    manifold and shorted out
> #2. The light in the dash came from the power supply to the relay.
>    Those two together meant that when #1 happened I didn't know about
>    it until the car mysteriously wouldn't start.
>
> Better system is hot wire to the fuse, then to the relay, from the hot
> side of the relay to the glow plugs AND the dash light. That way if the
> fuse blows you don't get a light and you don't get the sound of the
> relay closing. -Curt

Great idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car Quest 
synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at Autozone the 
other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal so I grabbed a 
gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was $24/gal...

The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only stuff 
at FLAPs is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends Liqui 
Moly 4100 which Amazon has with free delivery: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
 ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a 
filter and drain plug.
My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
-Curt

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For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I 
use.

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> wrote:
> 
> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
> OM617.
> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:40:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Before I forget, if you do the push button thing remember 2 problems I
> had:
> #1. The hot wire from the relay to the fuse fell onto the exhaust
> manifold and shorted out
> #2. The light in the dash came from the power supply to the relay.
> Those two together meant that when #1 happened I didn't know about
> it until the car mysteriously wouldn't start.
>
> Better system is hot wire to the fuse, then to the relay, from the hot
> side of the relay to the glow plugs AND the dash light. That way if the
> fuse blows you don't get a light and you don't get the sound of the
> relay closing. -Curt

Great idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 23:13:09 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Actually the time the car mysteriously wouldn't start I got to
> seriously impress a co-worker. It took me a minute to find that the
> fuse was blown but it really just sort of cracked right by the screw. I
> managed to twist the fuse and get the end under the screw head so it
> would contact again. A bread tie held the wire off the exhaust manifold
> and I was just getting done as this clueless accountant comes over to
> ask if I'm okay. I said "I think so, lemmie check" and the car fired
> right up. He was astonished that I'd fixed it in the parking lot with a
> bread tie. Told everybody around the office I was MacGyver -Curt

Way to go, Curt!


Craig

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[MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
OM617.
Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?

Bob R
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[MBZ] Thread-forming taps [was: Re: From bad to worse to nightmare -- tapping]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:34:43 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The power of the Googs provides this pretty good thread  (get it, 
> thread?) 
> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/33790-Power-tapping-holes-how-is-it-done


The comment on  03-13-2009, 03:21 PM #9 by Jim Caudill, Senior Member,
is quite interesting:


I could have written exactly the same thing as RobbieKnobbie. The only
thing I would add is get some thread forming taps and learn how to use
them. My progression in learning about tapping is:

 #1 Hand taps
 #2 Using only "gun taps"
 #3 Why didn't I start with thread-forming taps to begin with? 


A manufacturer's comment about thread-forming taps is at

http://www.balax.com/sites/default/files/photos/Balax_Catalog4.jpg

A thread on that subject is at
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/how-thread-forming-tap-used-86164/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo 
diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I 
use.

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
> OM617.
> Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?
> 
> Bob R
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[MBZ] The epitome of MB quality, comfort, and engineering

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It has been said that the LWB 126 diesel  such as the 300SDL and 350SDL 
when no rod bending issues are present are the top of the mark of MB 
quality.  I would say I agree but since my 2 210 diesels are down at the 
moment I could drive my 210 v8 gasser by decided to bring my 140 diesel 
out of hibernation.  I will now once again say that the 140 diesel is 
the epitome of MB.  While the 126 is a close 2nd in my mind a 140 diesel 
can't be beat, they are one hell of a car.  They blow the 210 out of the 
water but they are really different classes of cars.


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Re: [MBZ] One Simple Question...It's not an Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Delo synthetic at Walmart is less than $20 a gallon.

On 2/8/2016 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

With Car Quest getting acquired by Advance they stopped carrying the Car Quest 
synthetic oil I had been using that carried the VW spec. I was at Autozone the 
other day and they had Turbo Diesel Truck on sale for $25/gal so I grabbed a 
gallon of that. I'd used the Car Quest stuff because it was $24/gal...

The Golf requires fancy oil to keep the cam from spinning off. The only stuff at FLAPs 
is a Valvoline stuff they want $8/qt for. ID Parts recommends Liqui Moly 4100 which 
Amazon has with free delivery: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001052HGE?psc=1=true_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00I
 ordered on a Wednesday and got it Friday.For $5 more ID Parts includes a filter and 
drain plug.
My VW guy put in 5w30 and the car has been consuming a quart in around 4,000 
miles. Since I put in the 5w40 Valvoline stuff it seems to be slowing down.
Theres a huge debate about 5w30 vs 5w40 in the BEW VWs, hotly contested...
-Curt

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For that car it has FSS so the most readily available oils will be M1 turbo diesel truck or Chevron Delo 400le which is about $8 cheaper than M1 and what I use.


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On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have bought engine oil for only three diesel engines: OM615, OM616, and
OM617.
Now I have an OM606. What is the correct engine oil?

Bob R
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