Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> figure out how to get the top of the darn hoses loose.Anybody have a
> good idea?


Cut off hose and use a nice tight 6-point socket on it?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[clay via Mercedes]

Jury was in their corner.  Feds are still going after the two sons for their 
mischief in NV.

clay

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> Since you have some connection to the situation (BLM) I am curious to know 
> your thoughts on the outcome of the trial with the Bundys and their 
> occupation of the Federal lands in Oregon.
> 
> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope 
> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal 
> property.
> 
> Let's have a civil discourse here, folks.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Question

[clay via Mercedes]

I tend to make more breaks by being over zealous.  I had to stop before I 
rounded off some bits.  I got it sort of buttoned up and am going to attempt to 
bleed in the morning.

clay

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd vote for splicing it in.  Just make sure you don't loose you're breaks
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 10/27/16 5:05 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> The parts is cheap, the finish product is many expensives according to the 
>> idjits at the brake shop who wanted $1800 to make my brake system work.  The 
>> hard line in Polei has rust through.  I have the tubing roll, benders, 
>> flaring doodad.  Just wanted to see if I need to play with all that, or just 
>> pop a ready made used factory line.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last time I was in a hurry, I just grabbed a 25' coil at Autozone, think it 
>>> was
>>> around $20. Nice looking black anti-rust coating on it.
>>> I can't remember where I used to order the stuff, maybe MSC or 
>>> McMaster-Carr?
>>> A box of five nuts is around $5 at FLAPS.
>>> Mitch.
 On October 27, 2016 at 4:52 PM clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 These silly things sell for mighty dollars
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Spent the day working on the brake issues.  PIA

IT rained last night, so had to wallow in the wet putting the car on jack 
stands, removing the hard line, taking off the calipers, attempting to remove 
rotors.

The SEL line did go on, even though it was a bit off with a few angles.  At the 
moment, there is still no fluid making it to the rear calipers.

Old calipers were hard to convince to let go.  I as able to BFH the driver 
side, but passenger side was a no go.  My Crapsman impact tool was non function 
at the trigger.   I tried al the wrenches.  Pooped out, so hit a pawn shop to 
see what the prices were.  Turned out they charge almost retail for used gear.  
So, I picked the low end HD impact hammer air tool.  It did the trick.

Rotors were less than willing to let go.  Neither side would come off no matter 
the blows with a rubber mallet or the 4# BFH.  They would loosen, but hung up 
on the parking brake bottoms.  Screw it!   I will come back to that when I can 
figure out how to get the top of the darn hoses loose.Anybody have a good 
idea?  I put heat to them, Kroil, freeze stuff, there was an excess of slippage 
and the 11mm nut wanted to round.  I stopped before I really did damage.

I put the fresh built calipers on with the old hoses.   I cracked the bleeder 
and filled the reservoir.  Then, I pumped the stop pedal like a mad man for 
around 20 minutes.  Nothing was coming out the far end.  It was getting dark 
and there was not enough time to build a pressure bleeder.  I did have a coke 
bottle that I tried to make a quick vac bleeder out of.  It crushed.  Instead 
of messing about more, I put everything away and went in for dinner.

While cooking, I saw an old Nalgene bottle on the counter and decided that 
would be a better pressure vessel.   I poke holes sized for the tubing, slipped 
them in, used some RTV to seal it, and will allow that to set up, then try to 
draw out the brake fluid in the morning




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:52 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> OK.
> 
> I cut it beyond the points I needed.  The front where it joins at a brass 
> fitting and at the rear junction with the side split.  Cut beyond those point 
> on the excess side.  I will unhook it from the unions and give it a good long 
> blast to clear any loogies, then hook it in where it belongs.  Maybe I use 
> the dead one to make a few spares to put on the CL to recoupe my investment.  
> These silly things sell for mighty dollars
> 
> clay
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Moving out that soon makes one think the house might be haunted.
Ghosts of hundreds of dead Mercedes wandering around at night.
Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Maybe she thought this was an Air Bnb deal.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > On a rare occasion
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > >
> > >
> > >> On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> I guess I might
> > >> have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the
> > >> one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get
> > >> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
> > >
> > > Have you been sleeping with this realtor?
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Headlight Doors

[MG via Mercedes]

I don't know as I've never seen one of those. If a standard nut 
that uses a 10mm wrench to get it off fits then they could fit.


Manfred


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:30:48 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

That?s insane.  I just looked up that part and you?re correct - 
$24. I?m wondering if it isn?t the exact same thing as this:


http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1077672_make=1103_model=16217=1994_category=24394_trimLevel=20642 




These are the air cleaner buffers on W140s, and they look exactly 
the same as the buffers used on the 617 diesel.  I?ll see if I 
can figure out what the thread size is on them and post it here 
for comparison.  These are the ones I keep in my spare parts 
drawer that are pretty cheap (less than $6 from the dealer.)


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The plan was to list it 2 months ago and either sell or rent, whichever
> happens first. I think this house is too upscale for a rental I guess.
>

After all, the yard is chock full of Mercedes drippings!

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

This appears to be a classic example of jury nullification. There are always
(at least) 2 sides to every story. Clearly, the defendants committed the
acts they were charged with, so the jury must have seen something redeeming
in the evidence and arguments presented by the defense. Overreach by the
federal government? The tasing, takedown, and arrest of a defense attorney
seem...extraordinary in that setting.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

Andrew,

Since you have some connection to the situation (BLM) I am curious to know
your thoughts on the outcome of the trial with the Bundys and their
occupation of the Federal lands in Oregon.

I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope
that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal
property.

Let's have a civil discourse here, folks.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The plan was to list it 2 months ago and either sell or rent, whichever happens 
first. I think this house is too upscale for a rental I guess. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would sell that house if you can't get any decent tenants.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On a rare occasion
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
  wrote:
 I guess I might 
 have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the 
 one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
 it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
>>> 
>>> Have you been sleeping with this realtor?
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I would sell that house if you can't get any decent tenants.

Sent from my iPhone

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> On a rare occasion
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>>  wrote:
>>> I guess I might 
>>> have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the 
>>> one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
>>> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
>> 
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[MBZ] October surprise - Carlos Danger had Hillary emails

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When we bought our Ranger in '08 we tested a different one that was real base 
model, 5spd manual, had no jump seats and all plastic floor. I was interested 
in that one but it was more expensive than the XLT we ended up buying and the 
jump seats did end up being handy a couple times.
-Curt

  From: Rick Knoble 
 To: Curt Raymond  
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS
   
Curt sez:

>‎Thing I liked about it was that it >had a plastic bathtub floor so you >could 
>hose out the insides. 

You can hose out the floor of a real pickup truck too.

Rick

   
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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Curt sez:

>‎Thing I liked about it was that it >had a plastic bathtub floor so you >could 
>hose out the insides. 

You can hose out the floor of a real pickup truck too.

Rick
Whose last two replies to Curt's posts went to Curt directly.  
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Couldn't find any Quickbite couplers for sale anywhere, and didn't see any real
discussion of them after 2012. I'm guessing they went out of production 4-5
years ago. Looks kind of expensive, and is the ball recess cut into aluminum
blocks?
Is wear of the ball contact surfaces an issue?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:44:49 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yawn, I'm sure theres some interesting information there but after 5
> minutes I hadn't heard anything particularly relevant. I don't think I
> could handle an hour of those two.

I'm sorry to hear this.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Can it be used to report voter intimidation as well?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There's an app for that now.
> Does Curley have a smart phone?
> https://www.oathkeepers.org/true-vote-offers-smartphone-
> app-report-voter-fraud/
>
> > On October 26, 2016 at 5:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > And you reported it? I mean to somebody who cares more than us?
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

There's an app for that now. 
Does Curley have a smart phone?
https://www.oathkeepers.org/true-vote-offers-smartphone-app-report-voter-fraud/

> On October 26, 2016 at 5:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And you reported it? I mean to somebody who cares more than us?
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:



Tape a stick onto the trailer ball that sticks out into the camera
view.


I only have trailers that are at least as wide as my tow vehicle.  I 
just use the side mirrors and line it up.



I finally got a trailer with a wheel at the hitch. If I'm
within a foot or so its no worry at all.


Heh.  That only works for light trailers. I don't have any that small - 
at least not yet.


I have a QuickBite coupler on one of the trailers.  I really like it. 
It's kinda like coupling a big truck.  If the altitude is correct, I 
just back into it and it latches - and it corrects for plus-or-minus an 
inch in left-right alignment.


Their domain seems to be "missing".  Looks like maybe I missed my chance 
to get one for the other trailers.  Anyway, here's a site with a 
description and some pictures.

http://www.mrtrailer.com/quickbite.htm


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The police chief was quoted as saying 'good thing it wasn't chunky or the cars
might have been scratched'.

She looked mighty pleased in her mugshot (but the .22 BAC might have been a
factor in that).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/woman-town-meeting-donald-trump-rally-smears-30-cars-smooth-peanut-butter-protest-a7369991.html


> On October 28, 2016 at 1:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I prefer crunchy/organic.  Trader Joes is pretty decent.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I prefer crunchy/organic.  Trader Joes is pretty decent.

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>
> The Hillary campaign needs to hire smarter protesters...
>
> http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/21/woman-mistakes-
> town-meeting-donald-trump-rally-smears-30-cars-peanut-
> butter-protest?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Comparison shopping

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The Hillary campaign needs to hire smarter protesters...

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/21/woman-mistakes-town-meeting-donald-trump-rally-smears-30-cars-peanut-butter-protest?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text

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[MBZ] Fw: 86 Mercedes 560 SEC dark blue W/tan interior - $2000 (Chelsea)

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Coupe anyone.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: 86 Mercedes 560 SEC dark blue W/tan interior - $2000 (Chelsea)


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


86 Mercedes 560 SEC dark blue W/tan interior - $2000 (Chelsea)

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5799045138.html
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[G Mann via Mercedes]

This entire chain of events is seen by a large part of the population as
classic government over reach.

Still to come is prosecution of the officers who shot and killed the
unarmed man who was part of the group driving to meet with government
officials.

It is a complicated case full of many layers.. The Jury heard the issues
and by law, gave their ruling.. The Judge and Prosecutor seem to be having
a hard time accepting the proper rule of law..

More episodes will follow, I'm sure.. it is far from over. Under it all is
Harry Reid's involvement and some kind of jake leg deal with the Chinese
for minerals under Bundy property.. as I recall..

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just because you're not guilty doesn't mean we have to let you go while we
> prepare to charge you with something else...
>
>
>
> ‘In an emotional climax to the trial in U.S. District Court in Portland,
> Ammon
> Bundy’s lawyer, Marcus Mumford, was tackled to the floor by U.S. marshals
> as he
> became involved in a heated verbal exchange with the judge over the terms
> of his
> client’s release.’
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Just because you're not guilty doesn't mean we have to let you go while we
prepare to charge you with something else...



‘In an emotional climax to the trial in U.S. District Court in Portland, Ammon
Bundy’s lawyer, Marcus Mumford, was tackled to the floor by U.S. marshals as he
became involved in a heated verbal exchange with the judge over the terms of his
client’s release.’

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Re: [MBZ] Want to buy a NEW Diesel car?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My daily driver (other than a pickup)is an 08 Outback (2.5 NA gas) with
almost 60K now.  So far, only scheduled maintenance except for tires,
wipers, and AC belt.  Very serviceable car to date although front seats are
tight for oversized people and back seat knee room is very cramped (2010
version was better).  Consumers reports says more recent models less
reliable (only average).  My 08 was assembled in Indiana from Jap drivetrain
and 60% North American parts, according to the sticker.  In many ways, I
liked my 79 300TD better until it got hard stuck in a groundhog tunnel
during a downpour.  I was excited about the Subaru Diesel but I guess we'll
never see it here, at least not with current ETA thinking.  The 2WD GMC
pickup is very prone to getting stuck (even on dry pine straw) when no load
in back.

> -Original Message-
> From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 AM
> 
> I really liked the old Forester, the new one is a fat plastic shadow of
> its former self.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Karl Wittnebel 
>  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" ; Curt Raymond
> 
>  Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:29 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Want to buy a NEW Diesel car?
> 
> The old forester with either the na 4 banger or the 2.5t and a stick
> was extremely economical, roomy, quiet.Just a peach of a car. Tons of
> torque in the NA version at low rpm. Super practical. Fuji heavy
> industries doing good things.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Yes, my HF set stick up so you can see them through the back window. Cheap,
but effective.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There is scant public support for that.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Me too. I was stunned when I heard the verdict.
>
> Weren't some of the lands involved at the site BLM?  I knew the facility
> wasn't.
>
> I think the prosecutor got it wrong, based on what I have read.
> Unfortunately, I think this is going to have a big (negative) effect
> relative to the control of Federal lands reverting back to the states. Not
> a good thing in my opinion.
>
> If Federal lands revert back to the states I believe much of them will end
> up becoming private, meaning it is no longer public land for use by and for
> the public.  That would suck.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Although the office was not a BLM facility, the jury verdict hit me like
> a
> > ton of bricks - similar to the OJ trial verdict.  Still, this can happen
> in
> > a democracy so we must respect the result.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They're stretching it. $6 million was allotted for repairs and upgrades.
> >> The "and upgrades" probably accounts for a lot of it.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy
> >>
> >> http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/feds-release-pictures-of-6-
> >> million-in-damages-bundy-militants-caused-to-oregon-reserve/
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
>  On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>  I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only
> >> hope
>  that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to
> >> Federal
>  property.
> >>>
> >>> Damage?
> >>> I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement.
> >>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe she thought this was an Air Bnb deal.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On a rare occasion
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>  wrote:
> >> I guess I might
> >> have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the
> >> one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get
> >> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
> >
> > Have you been sleeping with this realtor?
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Yes.
The ones I got at horror fright telescope like antenna rods, 
supposed to be 43" tall.
http://www.harborfreight.com/magnetic-trailer-alignment-kit-69778.html


> On October 28, 2016 at 10:46 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> How can you see it? Do they stick up far enough to see in the mirror?

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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Me too. I was stunned when I heard the verdict.

Weren't some of the lands involved at the site BLM?  I knew the facility wasn't.

I think the prosecutor got it wrong, based on what I have read. Unfortunately, 
I think this is going to have a big (negative) effect relative to the control 
of Federal lands reverting back to the states. Not a good thing in my opinion.

If Federal lands revert back to the states I believe much of them will end up 
becoming private, meaning it is no longer public land for use by and for the 
public.  That would suck.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Although the office was not a BLM facility, the jury verdict hit me like a
> ton of bricks - similar to the OJ trial verdict.  Still, this can happen in
> a democracy so we must respect the result.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> They're stretching it. $6 million was allotted for repairs and upgrades.
>> The "and upgrades" probably accounts for a lot of it.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy
>> 
>> http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/feds-release-pictures-of-6-
>> million-in-damages-bundy-militants-caused-to-oregon-reserve/
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
 I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only
>> hope
 that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to
>> Federal
 property.
>>> 
>>> Damage?
>>> I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement.
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How can you see it? Do they stick up far enough to see in the mirror?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 10:23 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> How do those magnetic things work? I have seen them but never used them
> 
> You're supposed to put one in front of the ball and one on the tongue, then 
> stop
> when the truck's stick is a couple inches in front of the trailer one. 
> I sometimes put the first one on top of the ball and stop an inch after the
> trailer hits it.
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Although the office was not a BLM facility, the jury verdict hit me like a
ton of bricks - similar to the OJ trial verdict.  Still, this can happen in
a democracy so we must respect the result.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They're stretching it. $6 million was allotted for repairs and upgrades.
> The "and upgrades" probably accounts for a lot of it.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
>  Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy
>
> http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/feds-release-pictures-of-6-
> million-in-damages-bundy-militants-caused-to-oregon-reserve/
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only
> hope
> >> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to
> Federal
> >> property.
> >
> > Damage?
> > I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement.
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 28, 2016 at 10:23 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> How do those magnetic things work? I have seen them but never used them

You're supposed to put one in front of the ball and one on the tongue, then stop
when the truck's stick is a couple inches in front of the trailer one. 
I sometimes put the first one on top of the ball and stop an inch after the
trailer hits it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

On a rare occasion

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> I guess I might 
>> have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the 
>> one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
>> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How do those magnetic things work? I have seen them but never used them

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> All of which does nothing to make people be better drivers or, you know,
>> actually pay attention...
>> The only thing I can see a backup camera being useful for is putting a 
>> trailer
>> on the tow ball.
> 
> I can just imagine putting a dot on the screen with a Sharpie to match with a
> reference point on the trailer tongue...
> Those magnetic stick things work pretty good in lieu of a camera.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Exactly!  I am moving and backing these cars with backup camera all the time 
and I never use them, I always use the mirrors. Some of the stores have cars 
crammed in tight with little room behind where they are backed in and I will 
sometimes look at the camera to see how many inches are left before hitting the 
car behind 

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> All of which does nothing to make people be better drivers or, you know, 
> actually pay attention...
> The only thing I can see a backup camera being useful for is putting a 
> trailer on the tow ball.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List  
> Cc: Mitch Haley 
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:54 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Backup Cameras
> 
> Yes, they're mandatory, but not just yet, and pretty much any new car designed
> after 2014 includes one already. When Kaleb mentions Spark, Chevy's cheapest
> car, he's probably talking about the new chassis that came out in 2016 model
> year. I'd like to buy a Spark EV, and I'd like to have the camera, but the EV
> was based on the old chassis and the camera was never an option. 
> 
> http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/Press-Releases/2014/NHTSA-Announces-Final-Rule-Requiring-Rear-Visibility-Technology
> 
> Today's final rule requires all vehicles under 10,000 pounds, including buses
> and trucks, manufactured on or after May 1, 2018, to come equipped with rear
> visibility technology that expands the field of view to enable the driver of a
> motor vehicle to detect areas behind the vehicle to reduce death and injury
> resulting from backover incidents. The field of view must include a 10-foot by
> 20-foot zone directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other
> requirements including image size, linger time, response time, durability, and
> deactivation.
> 
> "Rear visibility requirements will save lives, and will save many families 
> from
> the heartache suffered after these tragic incidents occur," said NHTSA Acting
> Administrator David Friedman. "We're already recommending this kind of
> life-saving technology through our NCAP program and encouraging consumers to
> consider it when buying cars today."
> 
> On average, there are 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries per year caused by
> backover crashes. NHTSA has found that children under 5 years old account for 
> 31
> percent of backover fatalities each year, and adults 70 years of age and older
> account for 26 percent.
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, a couple of months ago would have been more ideal

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> wrote:
> 
> So did she actually move in?
> 
> Lousy time to be selling a house. Coming up on the holidays, really slow 
> time...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Its all a little fishy.  Story was she was living with her boyfriend or 
>> something and they just broke up and she needed to move.  I am figuring she 
>> moved back in with him.  If we would have just put the house on the market 2 
>> months ago it might have been sold by now and this nightware would be over.  
>> I guess I might have to call another realtor to get that done, for some 
>> reason the one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
>> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/28/2016 4:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
>>> Ten days? Ten minutes?
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

And yes, she did move in, then moved out a week later. Very strange.

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So did she actually move in?
> 
> Lousy time to be selling a house. Coming up on the holidays, really slow 
> time...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Its all a little fishy.  Story was she was living with her boyfriend or 
>> something and they just broke up and she needed to move.  I am figuring she 
>> moved back in with him.  If we would have just put the house on the market 2 
>> months ago it might have been sold by now and this nightware would be over.  
>> I guess I might have to call another realtor to get that done, for some 
>> reason the one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
>> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/28/2016 4:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
>>> Ten days? Ten minutes?
>>> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Last day to bid on a 1954 Bentley

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The price isn't crazy yet.  Might sell for under $20k.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1954-bentley-r-type-4-dr-sedan/

The turn signals remind me of the 1954 Wolseley sedan I drove when in Fiji
(RHD).  It had semaphores that worked occasionally, which was cause for
amazement.  The shifter was on the floor between the front bucket seats,
and the complicated lever system to the transmission would sometimes jam,
disabling the car.  Leather seats + 4 speed - lots of fun to drive and
worth every penny of the $250F purchase price.
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

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> On October 28, 2016 at 9:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> I guess I might 
> have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the 
> one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.

Have you been sleeping with this realtor?

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Did that include the hamster suit?

Dan

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've had a couple Kia Souls for rentals that I've been reasonably impressed 
> with. Basically the same market as the xB and Cube. The Soul is comfortable, 
> reasonably quick and relatively economical to drive. Being a Kia they're 
> pretty cheap too.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...
> 
> I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered 
> one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff. Considering that they 
> were Toyotas in disguise meant they would probably be decent as far as build 
> quality and reliability.  Prices were a little stupid after they got rolled 
> out, though.
> 
> The interiors were sort of cheap and plasticky, I thought, but my 
> expectations would have been low in that regard.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:48 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You should find a Pontiac Aztek
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:29 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like ugly cars; would have bought a Nissan Cube instead of a Prius if the 
>>> MPG had been better. IMO it is the ugliest car sold in America during the 
>>> last few years.
>>> The first Cube I ever saw contained two young girls who pulled up besides 
>>> me at a convenience store. I did a double take, then said to the girl in 
>>> the passenger seat, "What is it?", and smiled.
>>> She said something to the girl driving who came around to my window and 
>>> rattled off a long tirade that I couldn't understand. When she finally 
>>> stopped I said:
>>> "It's cute." That seemed to make her even angrier. She glared at me and 
>>> stomped off into the store.
>>> Prius' are ugly in the same functional way a '60s model Beetle was ugly, 
>>> but the Cube seems to be deliberately ugly for no practical reason.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> 
 I make fun of Piouses too, mostly because they seem to be associated 
 with a certain demographic.  But I also have 5 friends who have them and 
 love them.  One is an Obama/H-> lover to extreme, one is not quite so 
 extreme but still sorta, one probably leans in that


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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Tape a stick onto the trailer ball that sticks out into the camera view...
I finally got a trailer with a wheel at the hitch. If I'm within a foot or so 
its no worry at all.
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras
   

> On October 28, 2016 at 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> All of which does nothing to make people be better drivers or, you know,
> actually pay attention...
> The only thing I can see a backup camera being useful for is putting a trailer
> on the tow ball.

I can just imagine putting a dot on the screen with a Sharpie to match with a
reference point on the trailer tongue...
Those magnetic stick things work pretty good in lieu of a camera.


   
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

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> On October 28, 2016 at 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> All of which does nothing to make people be better drivers or, you know,
> actually pay attention...
> The only thing I can see a backup camera being useful for is putting a trailer
> on the tow ball.

I can just imagine putting a dot on the screen with a Sharpie to match with a
reference point on the trailer tongue...
Those magnetic stick things work pretty good in lieu of a camera.

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Element. Thing I liked about it was that it had a plastic bathtub floor so you 
could hose out the insides. A college friend has one, he loves it and plans to 
hold on it it as long as possible since nothing really replaces it.
Speaking of which my dad is pretty upset with Jeep for not making a real 
replacement for his Liberty. The Renegade and Cherokee are both soft roaders 
with low hanging plastic thats too easy to break offroad. I've tried to get him 
into an Xterra but hes too biased against the asian brands which is too bad 
seeing as its the last real offroader that isn't a Wrangler. He doesn't want to 
pay Wrangler prices or have it turn into a deathtrap when a front end component 
wears out...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS
   
What was that Honda thing, was like a wagon/SUV sort of thing with side 
barn doors.  I kinda liked those.  I forget where I was but ran into a 
young couple who had one, were traveling all over the US for some 
extended period.  They pretty much lived in it, had it basically 
outfitted to sleep and cook in, rack on top for some stuff, bike rack on 
the back.  Was just big enough for them. It had AWD, they said they 
could go almost anywhere in the parks and places off road  It was pretty 
much a box on wheels but had great utility.  Reminded me somewhat of an 
old VW bus.

--FT


On 10/28/16 8:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> The guy next door owns an XBox and a Tacoma.
> He's big enough that he looks sort of like a clown in a golf cart when he's
> driving the Scion. If it's roomy for him to drive as his main transport, I'm
> sure you would have fit. More than enough room in the back for his two dogs.
>
> I just don't like the fact that there are no truly small cars any more, other
> than sports cars like the S2000 and Miata.
> You can get narrow and short, like an XBox, Fit, Spark, Smart, etc, but all 
> the
> small ones are so tall that the aerodynamics aren't that good.
> The Spark EV is a few inches shorter than my 1975 Civic was (a Civic without 
> the
> bumper pads is probably as short as a Spark), a few inches wider, and a foot
> taller. It doesn't have to be that tall, if I want to wear an Abe Lincoln hat 
> I
> can take it off when I get in the car. Just think what range the Spark EV 
> could
> have had if it were 100lb lighter with 5' less frontal area and a Cd under 
> 0.3.
> And it wouldn't look like it was about to tip over.
>
> Mitch.
>
>> On October 28, 2016 at 7:06 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered
>> one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff.
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

They're stretching it. $6 million was allotted for repairs and upgrades. The 
"and upgrades" probably accounts for a lot of it.
-Curt

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Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy
   
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/feds-release-pictures-of-6-million-in-damages-bundy-militants-caused-to-oregon-reserve/

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope
>> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal
>> property.
> 
> Damage?
> I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

All of which does nothing to make people be better drivers or, you know, 
actually pay attention...
The only thing I can see a backup camera being useful for is putting a trailer 
on the tow ball.
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:54 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Backup Cameras
   
Yes, they're mandatory, but not just yet, and pretty much any new car designed
after 2014 includes one already. When Kaleb mentions Spark, Chevy's cheapest
car, he's probably talking about the new chassis that came out in 2016 model
year. I'd like to buy a Spark EV, and I'd like to have the camera, but the EV
was based on the old chassis and the camera was never an option. 

http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/Press-Releases/2014/NHTSA-Announces-Final-Rule-Requiring-Rear-Visibility-Technology

Today's final rule requires all vehicles under 10,000 pounds, including buses
and trucks, manufactured on or after May 1, 2018, to come equipped with rear
visibility technology that expands the field of view to enable the driver of a
motor vehicle to detect areas behind the vehicle to reduce death and injury
resulting from backover incidents. The field of view must include a 10-foot by
20-foot zone directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other
requirements including image size, linger time, response time, durability, and
deactivation.

"Rear visibility requirements will save lives, and will save many families from
the heartache suffered after these tragic incidents occur," said NHTSA Acting
Administrator David Friedman. "We're already recommending this kind of
life-saving technology through our NCAP program and encouraging consumers to
consider it when buying cars today."

On average, there are 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries per year caused by
backover crashes. NHTSA has found that children under 5 years old account for 31
percent of backover fatalities each year, and adults 70 years of age and older
account for 26 percent.

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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The pictures of the facility suggest less than complete care was taken: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/malheur-wildlife-refuge-occupier-damage-photos_us_56f56002e4b014d3fe22eff9
-Curt

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> On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope
> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal
> property.

Damage?
I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've had a couple Kia Souls for rentals that I've been reasonably impressed 
with. Basically the same market as the xB and Cube. The Soul is comfortable, 
reasonably quick and relatively economical to drive. Being a Kia they're pretty 
cheap too.
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...
   
I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered 
one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff. Considering that they 
were Toyotas in disguise meant they would probably be decent as far as build 
quality and reliability.  Prices were a little stupid after they got rolled 
out, though.

The interiors were sort of cheap and plasticky, I thought, but my expectations 
would have been low in that regard.

Dan

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:48 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You should find a Pontiac Aztek
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:29 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like ugly cars; would have bought a Nissan Cube instead of a Prius if the 
>> MPG had been better. IMO it is the ugliest car sold in America during the 
>> last few years.
>> The first Cube I ever saw contained two young girls who pulled up besides me 
>> at a convenience store. I did a double take, then said to the girl in the 
>> passenger seat, "What is it?", and smiled.
>> She said something to the girl driving who came around to my window and 
>> rattled off a long tirade that I couldn't understand. When she finally 
>> stopped I said:
>> "It's cute." That seemed to make her even angrier. She glared at me and 
>> stomped off into the store.
>> Prius' are ugly in the same functional way a '60s model Beetle was ugly, but 
>> the Cube seems to be deliberately ugly for no practical reason.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> 
>>> I make fun of Piouses too, mostly because they seem to be associated 
>>> with a certain demographic.  But I also have 5 friends who have them and 
>>> love them.  One is an Obama/H-> lover to extreme, one is not quite so 
>>> extreme but still sorta, one probably leans in that direction but is 
>>> fairly neutral about a lot of political things, and the other two are 
>>> rabid right-wingers. They all love the things for various reasons and 
>>> cover the entire political spectrum. So my own sample disproves my own 
>>> stereotyping.  That's what makes humans so successful -- cognitive 
>>> dissonance does not affect our irrational biases, even when presented 
>>> refutations to our strongly-held hypotheses!
>>> 
>>> --FT (maybe not nice?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/27/16 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 Gerry, you're one of the nicest people on the list, I noticed the 
 other day the grace with which you took people picking on your Prius. 
 That
>> made an impression on me and I've been trying to do better.
 -Curt
 Thanks, Curt. There are a lot of nice people on this list, and I've always 
 considered you to be one of them.
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

In New England RNs aren't eligible for unemployment, theres just too much 
demand.
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 5:23 AM
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How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
Ten days? Ten minutes? 
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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/feds-release-pictures-of-6-million-in-damages-bundy-militants-caused-to-oregon-reserve/

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope
>> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal
>> property.
> 
> Damage?
> I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement. 
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Re: [MBZ] Want to buy a NEW Diesel car?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I really liked the old Forester, the new one is a fat plastic shadow of its 
former self.
-Curt

  From: Karl Wittnebel 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Want to buy a NEW Diesel car?
   
The old forester with either the na 4 banger or the 2.5t and a stick was 
extremely economical, roomy, quiet.Just a peach of a car. Tons of torque in the 
NA version at low rpm. Super practical. Fuji heavy industries doing good things.

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

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So did she actually move in?

Lousy time to be selling a house. Coming up on the holidays, really slow time...

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>  wrote:
> 
> Its all a little fishy.  Story was she was living with her boyfriend or 
> something and they just broke up and she needed to move.  I am figuring she 
> moved back in with him.  If we would have just put the house on the market 2 
> months ago it might have been sold by now and this nightware would be over.  
> I guess I might have to call another realtor to get that done, for some 
> reason the one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
> it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.
> 
> 
>> On 10/28/2016 4:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
>> Ten days? Ten minutes?
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess that explains why MB is still trying to get extra money 
out of calling the camera and option.  Like I said, every other 
make I come across already has these, even the cheapest GM, Ford, 
and Dodge products.  And they have had for at least the past year, 
some even longer.



On 10/28/2016 7:54 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, they're mandatory, but not just yet, and pretty much any new car designed
after 2014 includes one already. When Kaleb mentions Spark, Chevy's cheapest
car, he's probably talking about the new chassis that came out in 2016 model
year. I'd like to buy a Spark EV, and I'd like to have the camera, but the EV
was based on the old chassis and the camera was never an option.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/Press-Releases/2014/NHTSA-Announces-Final-Rule-Requiring-Rear-Visibility-Technology

Today's final rule requires all vehicles under 10,000 pounds, including buses
and trucks, manufactured on or after May 1, 2018, to come equipped with rear
visibility technology that expands the field of view to enable the driver of a
motor vehicle to detect areas behind the vehicle to reduce death and injury
resulting from backover incidents. The field of view must include a 10-foot by
20-foot zone directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other
requirements including image size, linger time, response time, durability, and
deactivation.

"Rear visibility requirements will save lives, and will save many families from
the heartache suffered after these tragic incidents occur," said NHTSA Acting
Administrator David Friedman. "We're already recommending this kind of
life-saving technology through our NCAP program and encouraging consumers to
consider it when buying cars today."

On average, there are 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries per year caused by
backover crashes. NHTSA has found that children under 5 years old account for 31
percent of backover fatalities each year, and adults 70 years of age and older
account for 26 percent.

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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Its all a little fishy.  Story was she was living with her 
boyfriend or something and they just broke up and she needed to 
move.  I am figuring she moved back in with him.  If we would have 
just put the house on the market 2 months ago it might have been 
sold by now and this nightware would be over.  I guess I might 
have to call another realtor to get that done, for some reason the 
one I have doesn't seem to understand the sense of urgency to get 
it listed and sold or rented, whichever happens first.



On 10/28/2016 4:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
Ten days? Ten minutes?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group... OTHER CHEAP CARS

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What was that Honda thing, was like a wagon/SUV sort of thing with side 
barn doors.  I kinda liked those.  I forget where I was but ran into a 
young couple who had one, were traveling all over the US for some 
extended period.  They pretty much lived in it, had it basically 
outfitted to sleep and cook in, rack on top for some stuff, bike rack on 
the back.  Was just big enough for them. It had AWD, they said they 
could go almost anywhere in the parks and places off road  It was pretty 
much a box on wheels but had great utility.  Reminded me somewhat of an 
old VW bus.


--FT


On 10/28/16 8:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

The guy next door owns an XBox and a Tacoma.
He's big enough that he looks sort of like a clown in a golf cart when he's
driving the Scion. If it's roomy for him to drive as his main transport, I'm
sure you would have fit. More than enough room in the back for his two dogs.

I just don't like the fact that there are no truly small cars any more, other
than sports cars like the S2000 and Miata.
You can get narrow and short, like an XBox, Fit, Spark, Smart, etc, but all the
small ones are so tall that the aerodynamics aren't that good.
The Spark EV is a few inches shorter than my 1975 Civic was (a Civic without the
bumper pads is probably as short as a Spark), a few inches wider, and a foot
taller. It doesn't have to be that tall, if I want to wear an Abe Lincoln hat I
can take it off when I get in the car. Just think what range the Spark EV could
have had if it were 100lb lighter with 5' less frontal area and a Cd under 0.3.
And it wouldn't look like it was about to tip over.

Mitch.


On October 28, 2016 at 7:06 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:


I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered
one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff.

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[MBZ] Backup Cameras

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Yes, they're mandatory, but not just yet, and pretty much any new car designed
after 2014 includes one already. When Kaleb mentions Spark, Chevy's cheapest
car, he's probably talking about the new chassis that came out in 2016 model
year. I'd like to buy a Spark EV, and I'd like to have the camera, but the EV
was based on the old chassis and the camera was never an option. 

http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/Press-Releases/2014/NHTSA-Announces-Final-Rule-Requiring-Rear-Visibility-Technology

Today's final rule requires all vehicles under 10,000 pounds, including buses
and trucks, manufactured on or after May 1, 2018, to come equipped with rear
visibility technology that expands the field of view to enable the driver of a
motor vehicle to detect areas behind the vehicle to reduce death and injury
resulting from backover incidents. The field of view must include a 10-foot by
20-foot zone directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other
requirements including image size, linger time, response time, durability, and
deactivation.

"Rear visibility requirements will save lives, and will save many families from
the heartache suffered after these tragic incidents occur," said NHTSA Acting
Administrator David Friedman. "We're already recommending this kind of
life-saving technology through our NCAP program and encouraging consumers to
consider it when buying cars today."

On average, there are 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries per year caused by
backover crashes. NHTSA has found that children under 5 years old account for 31
percent of backover fatalities each year, and adults 70 years of age and older
account for 26 percent.

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Re: [MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 28, 2016 at 7:02 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope
> that the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal
> property.

Damage?
I think you've got them confused with the Occupy movement. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The guy next door owns an XBox and a Tacoma. 
He's big enough that he looks sort of like a clown in a golf cart when he's
driving the Scion. If it's roomy for him to drive as his main transport, I'm
sure you would have fit. More than enough room in the back for his two dogs. 

I just don't like the fact that there are no truly small cars any more, other
than sports cars like the S2000 and Miata. 
You can get narrow and short, like an XBox, Fit, Spark, Smart, etc, but all the
small ones are so tall that the aerodynamics aren't that good. 
The Spark EV is a few inches shorter than my 1975 Civic was (a Civic without the
bumper pads is probably as short as a Spark), a few inches wider, and a foot
taller. It doesn't have to be that tall, if I want to wear an Abe Lincoln hat I
can take it off when I get in the car. Just think what range the Spark EV could
have had if it were 100lb lighter with 5' less frontal area and a Cd under 0.3.
And it wouldn't look like it was about to tip over. 

Mitch. 

> On October 28, 2016 at 7:06 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered
> one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I liked the Scion xBs when they came out, and would have seriously considered 
one if I wanted a new car with decent room for stuff. Considering that they 
were Toyotas in disguise meant they would probably be decent as far as build 
quality and reliability.  Prices were a little stupid after they got rolled 
out, though.

The interiors were sort of cheap and plasticky, I thought, but my expectations 
would have been low in that regard.

Dan

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> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:48 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You should find a Pontiac Aztek
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:29 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I like ugly cars; would have bought a Nissan Cube instead of a Prius if the 
>> MPG had been better. IMO it is the ugliest car sold in America during the 
>> last few years.
>> The first Cube I ever saw contained two young girls who pulled up besides me 
>> at a convenience store. I did a double take, then said to the girl in the 
>> passenger seat, "What is it?", and smiled.
>> She said something to the girl driving who came around to my window and 
>> rattled off a long tirade that I couldn't understand. When she finally 
>> stopped I said:
>> "It's cute." That seemed to make her even angrier. She glared at me and 
>> stomped off into the store.
>> Prius' are ugly in the same functional way a '60s model Beetle was ugly, but 
>> the Cube seems to be deliberately ugly for no practical reason.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> 
>>> I make fun of Piouses too, mostly because they seem to be associated 
>>> with a certain demographic.  But I also have 5 friends who have them and 
>>> love them.  One is an Obama/H-> lover to extreme, one is not quite so 
>>> extreme but still sorta, one probably leans in that direction but is 
>>> fairly neutral about a lot of political things, and the other two are 
>>> rabid right-wingers. They all love the things for various reasons and 
>>> cover the entire political spectrum. So my own sample disproves my own 
>>> stereotyping.  That's what makes humans so successful -- cognitive 
>>> dissonance does not affect our irrational biases, even when presented 
>>> refutations to our strongly-held hypotheses!
>>> 
>>> --FT (maybe not nice?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/27/16 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
 Gerry, you're one of the nicest people on the list, I noticed the 
 other day the grace with which you took people picking on your Prius. 
 That
>> made an impression on me and I've been trying to do better.
 -Curt
 Thanks, Curt. There are a lot of nice people on this list, and I've always 
 considered you to be one of them.
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[MBZ] Not Al Bundy

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Andrew,

Since you have some connection to the situation (BLM) I am curious to know your 
thoughts on the outcome of the trial with the Bundys and their occupation of 
the Federal lands in Oregon.

I will say that I was stunned to see that they were acquitted. I only hope that 
the government pursues civil charges for the damage they did to Federal 
property.

Let's have a civil discourse here, folks.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] She needs to join the group...

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You should find a Pontiac Aztek

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:29 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I like ugly cars; would have bought a Nissan Cube instead of a Prius if the 
> MPG had been better. IMO it is the ugliest car sold in America during the 
> last few years.
> The first Cube I ever saw contained two young girls who pulled up besides me 
> at a convenience store. I did a double take, then said to the girl in the 
> passenger seat, "What is it?", and smiled.
> She said something to the girl driving who came around to my window and 
> rattled off a long tirade that I couldn't understand. When she finally 
> stopped I said:
>  "It's cute." That seemed to make her even angrier. She glared at me and 
> stomped off into the store.
> Prius' are ugly in the same functional way a '60s model Beetle was ugly, but 
> the Cube seems to be deliberately ugly for no practical reason.
> Gerry
> 
> 
>> I make fun of Piouses too, mostly because they seem to be associated 
>> with a certain demographic.  But I also have 5 friends who have them and 
>> love them.  One is an Obama/H-> lover to extreme, one is not quite so 
>> extreme but still sorta, one probably leans in that direction but is 
>> fairly neutral about a lot of political things, and the other two are 
>> rabid right-wingers. They all love the things for various reasons and 
>> cover the entire political spectrum. So my own sample disproves my own 
>> stereotyping.  That's what makes humans so successful -- cognitive 
>> dissonance does not affect our irrational biases, even when presented 
>> refutations to our strongly-held hypotheses!
>> 
>> --FT (maybe not nice?)
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/27/16 5:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Gerry, you're one of the nicest people on the list, I noticed the other 
>>> day the grace with which you took people picking on your Prius. That
> made an impression on me and I've been trying to do better.
>>> -Curt
>>> Thanks, Curt. There are a lot of nice people on this list, and I've always 
>>> considered you to be one of them.
>>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT renting nightmare

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

How long can an RN stay unwillingly unemployed?
Ten days? Ten minutes? 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Want to buy a NEW Diesel car?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

TPMS is required, I forget when it started. Likewise traction/stability control,
I think. 
All the Japanese cars seem to have rear view camera since '15 or so. 
Spark EV, last made 2 months ago, never had it, wasn't ever available. 
Do the Spark gassers have it standard for 2016/2017?
Mitch

> On October 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> They may be but they are required to have them. Even a $14k Spark or what not
> has them now.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Nope - they are still an option if you go the build your own on the MB site.
> > 
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> All vehicles as of 15 or 16 I believe are required to have backup camera.
> >> Those Cruze diesels are pretty decent and compare to the VW pretty
> >> competitively
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> It is reputed to be the best value in terms of initial cost and cost of
> >>> maintenance/repairs. It also rates highly in reliability and resale
> >> value.
> >>> If I have to drive a vergasser, it helps that it has all wheel drive and
> >>> all the cool (?) new safety features (pioneered by MB) at a reasonable
> >>> price. For instance, the rear view camera is standard on a cheap
> >>> (relativity) Subaru, and a significant cost extra on an MB. Ours will
> >> have
> >>> an auto transmission, so I doubt towing with all four on the ground will
> >> be
> >>> a good idea.
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 4:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> 
>  Why a Subaru? I've thought about them since they build some of the few
>  that can be towed 4 wheels on the ground. IMO it's the best kind to have
>  when towing behind a motorhome since you don't need a dolly.
>  Gerry
>  
>  
>  
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> OK Don
> >>> 
> >>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> >> of
> >>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >>> 
> >>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> >> who
> >>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> >>> for themselves."
> >>> 
> >>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Welders, again

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:



And what is the operational difference between MIG and TIG?


TIG is like an electric ox-acetylene in that the filler is not
part of the heat process.  The electrode is not "consumed".

MIG uses the filler as an electrode, so it is consumed.

Technically both use shielding gas, but MIG and "wire-feed" seem
to be almost synonymous, though they are NOT as there are
wire-feed that are not MIG.  I _think_ all MIG are wire-feed, though.

Operational difference.  TIG is two handed welding, one hand
holding the heater, the other the filler.  MIG is wire-fed, so is
one-hand welding.

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