[MBZ] Engine rebuilders [was: Re: Hey Kyle!]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:58:41 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It is kind of like sun valley transmissions. If you are going to pay
> for a rebuild, go to the place that has been doing it the longest. It
> is the same money.
>   ...
> http://mercedesengines.net/

  From some old emails:

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From: Marshall Booth 
To: die...@mbz.org
Reply-To: die...@mbz.org
Subject: Re: [DIESEL] Engine rebuilders
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:27:28 -0400
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Adsit has a VERY poor reputation and has been the subject of more
customer dissatisfaction than any other Mercedes parts supplier that I
know of (but I could have missed one or two).

Metric Motors and Noels are the two with the best reputation in the US
that I know of.

http://noel1.bizland.com/HOME_OF_MERCEDES-BENZ_AT_NOELS.htm

http://www.mercedesengines.net/300s.htm  

Marshall
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Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
mbo...@pitt.edu
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From: "Mathieu J. Cama" 
To: 
Reply-To: dieselt...@mbz.org
Subject: Re: [DIESELTECH] source for "new" engine
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:35:25 -0400
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Metric has done well for us in the past. I recommend them. PP will rip
you off! Rusty may be able to source a factory crate motor. Double Z in
NY will give you an honest used motor.

Mat
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From: "Dave M." 
To: die...@mbz.org
Reply-To: die...@mbz.org
Subject: Re: [DIESEL] '87 300D Cylinder Head Replacement Revisited
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:35:27 -0700
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The last theory I heard was that the OE dealer heads were mostly OK, and
the OEM cheaped out on the machining for the aftermarket heads, which had
the problem more often. Dunno how true that is. The injectors &
prechambers are all interchangeable, the new head is specified in the EPC
and it does NOT state that conversion to inclined injection is required.
I am kind of curious what the root cause is for the whole mess but at
least we know to expect it, where back when I was messing with this
(Jan/Feb 2002) nobody really knew except a couple people (Tom Runner, and
Metric Motors, IIRC). Some old p/c's work just fine on the new heads.
Metric Motors is adamant that the issue is inconsistent machining on the
new heads, and they probably see more of them (and more frequently) than
anyone else in the USA. Dunno how this applies to the used "#17" heads,
all the problems I've heard of relate to the new "#23" (or 22?) heads.
Marshall's theory is also interesting, although it would be highly stupid
for MB to do that on purpose!

;-)

-dm

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:30:29 -0500
From: Marshall Booth 
Subject: Re: [DIESEL] '87 300D Cylinder Head Replacement Revisited

Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> When people replace heads on 603's they seem to re-use the prechambers.
> Wouldn't that suggest they are interchangable?
>

Some ARE and sonme AREN'T. Ask Dave M. about using old prechambers! Not
clear when they changed - but SOMETHING changed. Some people have blamed
poor quality control and machining by MB. I don't buy that. I believe
that they stopped trying to make the old parts fit at some point in time
- - maybe about 1991 or 1992!

Marshall
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From: "Roger Keller" 
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Subject: Re: [DIESEL] 300SDL Head Blown
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:22:51 -0500
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Tarek,
Just had the same thing happen on my '87 300D. As you have heard from
other posts, this is a known problem on the older "14" heads that may or
may not be caused by overheating. In my case, I can't recall any
overheating incidents in the time immediately preceding (prior 18 months)
my first symptoms (lose of coolant after a longer run). I also obtained
complete maintenance records when I bought the car and have since kept up
with all maintenance.

There are several options for repair:
1. Your VERY lucky and the head is not cracked. In this case probably
worth the money while it's off to have a valve job and the head machined.
Find a shop that has experience with the Mercedes diesel heads. Metric
Motors in CA will do it for ~$550 plus shipping (www.mercedesengines.net)

2. Your head is cracked and you are buying a used head
In this instance you have a couple options:
A. I know Rusty has one for ~$1,000 completely rebuilt and ready to roll.
The only problem is it is a "14" casting - so caveat emtpor! According to
Rusty it has had full 

Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission $2600

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Then interior is trashed.  Stay away.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This really seems like that car that was for sale forever for $1100 but
> had like 1 crappy photo
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Don't you have an interior or two for it? You haven't bought it yet???
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission
> >> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6050315435.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG that was funny.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Saw part of it once.  switched it off.   bad before, bad now.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 22, 2017 at 6:34 PM
>> So have you seen the new McGiver reboot?
>>
>>
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[MBZ] Teutonic twit

[clay via Mercedes]

I would love to hunt down and strangle the fool who thought it was a good idea 
to put the rear bolts for the seats of a w126 in a divot. 

On a PnP car it is near impossible, as you have no power to the seats, so 
almost no access to the dang bolts anyway.  

I have a set of spare seats for Allen that kind of came with the car.  The ones 
in the car were painted at one point and now look like Tammy Fay Baker.   I got 
the front bolts out with no issue.  The rears, which live in this divot are 
near impossible to get a wrench on.  I tried the off set, open end, socket, all 
were just not able to grab onto the head because of the strange angle.  Then, 
the bolts are either over torqued or rusted in.  I finally got one to let loose 
after the swivel head on the 10mm 3/8 socket nearly broke my wrist from all the 
leverage my poor arm had to apply to the stubby handle.  There is no space to 
swing a long handle without smacking into the floor.

The other bolt in the rear had rusted itself in and though it too let loose, it 
was rusted to the nut, so all it did was spin.  I tried BFH and chisel, pry 
bars, pencil butane flames, and finally just gave in and whipped out the recip 
saw and cut the bolt out.  Took part of the seat mount, but it is out.

Now I can clean the carpet, deodorize, make a repair to the mangled hole, and 
maybe install the fresher seat in a day or two.  I really should have gone with 
manual seats.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission $2600

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This really seems like that car that was for sale forever for $1100 but had 
like 1 crappy photo

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't you have an interior or two for it? You haven't bought it yet???
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission
>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6050315435.html
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point, and something to consider for sure.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the hose itself is in good condition and 
does not appear likely to fail otherwise.

-D


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:19 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't like the idea of patching it, failure of a coolant hose can be 
> catastrophic.  Maybe splice in a metal pipe with MB hose clamps?  
> 
> Could the hose be ready to fail in another place?
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Rick, this guy recommends sand paper.  I guess it must work ok.
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On March 22, 2017 9:24:19 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Here is one of the better tutorials I have found on rebuilding
>injectors. 
>
>
>http://vincewaldon.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=20=28
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>Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I don't like the idea of patching it, failure of a coolant hose can be 
catastrophic.  Maybe splice in a metal pipe with MB hose clamps?  

Could the hose be ready to fail in another place?
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission $2600

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Don't you have an interior or two for it? You haven't bought it yet???

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>
> 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission
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WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Saw part of it once.  switched it off.   bad before, bad now.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 22, 2017 at 6:34 PM
So have you seen the new McGiver reboot?




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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s a weirdly molded hose with a bunch of strange turns in it.  It’s certainly 
possible I could use bulk hose, but I would have to come up with an in-line 
fitting (tee) where the little line comes off to feed the windshield plate 
heater near one end.  I don’t think any of the bends in it are of such a short 
radius that you couldn’t use straight hose, however.

-D


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:31 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most FLAPS now have metric size hose in bulk length... is it possible you
> could replace it with a fresh piece of bulk hose?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Most FLAPS now have metric size hose in bulk length... is it possible you
could replace it with a fresh piece of bulk hose?


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On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> 1990 350SDL - W126.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I think I have a moderate chance of success.  I’ll drain the cooling
> >> system a little so I don’t have to worry about coolant leaking out
> >> while I do the job, and I’ll be using a 3M silicone hose product, so no
> >> cheap materials in play.
> >>
> >> I’ll check to see if the MB hose is NLA or not as a last resort.  Too
> >> bad the same hose isn’t used on the 300SEL, as I would just rob it off
> >> of that car and put the patched one on the 300SEL.
> >
> > So what car is this on?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

1990 350SDL - W126.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think I have a moderate chance of success.  I’ll drain the cooling
>> system a little so I don’t have to worry about coolant leaking out
>> while I do the job, and I’ll be using a 3M silicone hose product, so no
>> cheap materials in play.
>> 
>> I’ll check to see if the MB hose is NLA or not as a last resort.  Too
>> bad the same hose isn’t used on the 300SEL, as I would just rob it off
>> of that car and put the patched one on the 300SEL.
> 
> So what car is this on?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:57:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I think I have a moderate chance of success.  I’ll drain the cooling
> system a little so I don’t have to worry about coolant leaking out
> while I do the job, and I’ll be using a 3M silicone hose product, so no
> cheap materials in play.
> 
> I’ll check to see if the MB hose is NLA or not as a last resort.  Too
> bad the same hose isn’t used on the 300SEL, as I would just rob it off
> of that car and put the patched one on the 300SEL.

So what car is this on?


Craig

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[MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission $2600

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

1982 Mercedes 300D Coupe Turbo Diesel with 240D 4 speed Transmission
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6050315435.html

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think I have a moderate chance of success.  I’ll drain the cooling system a 
little so I don’t have to worry about coolant leaking out while I do the job, 
and I’ll be using a 3M silicone hose product, so no cheap materials in play.

I’ll check to see if the MB hose is NLA or not as a last resort.  Too bad the 
same hose isn’t used on the 300SEL, as I would just rob it off of that car and 
put the patched one on the 300SEL.

-D

 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:44:51 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I’m picking up some silicone sealing tape tomorrow.  I had clamped off
>> the hose yesterday while troubleshooting my ACC system, and I suspect
>> the edge of the clamp I used cut into or creased the hose.  The leak is
>> just a tiny spot that’s no more than 1/8”.  The hose itself is in good
>> condition, it’s not dried out or hardened, so if I can patch it I
>> should be good for a long time.
> 
> May you be successful!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[MG via Mercedes]

The fuses for the lights will not be carrying power till you turn 
on the light switch. Those would be 1,3,7,9,11,13. The lights are 
supplied power straight from the battery power bus, so the 
ignition switch will not affect them anyway.


That said everything points to fuse 12. Take the thing out and 
throw it as far as you can and replace it with a brand new copper 
or brass fuse.




Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all 
have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for 
headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.


Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
counterclockwise.


The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
newer vehicle.


RB




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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I 
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.





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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:44:51 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I’m picking up some silicone sealing tape tomorrow.  I had clamped off
> the hose yesterday while troubleshooting my ACC system, and I suspect
> the edge of the clamp I used cut into or creased the hose.  The leak is
> just a tiny spot that’s no more than 1/8”.  The hose itself is in good
> condition, it’s not dried out or hardened, so if I can patch it I
> should be good for a long time.

May you be successful!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m picking up some silicone sealing tape tomorrow.  I had clamped off the hose 
yesterday while troubleshooting my ACC system, and I suspect the edge of the 
clamp I used cut into or creased the hose.  The leak is just a tiny spot that’s 
no more than 1/8”.  The hose itself is in good condition, it’s not dried out or 
hardened, so if I can patch it I should be good for a long time.

-D


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:41:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Anyone ever change one of these out?  It looks like a real PITA.  I’m
>> seriously thinking of trying to patch the hose, as the crack is only
>> about 1/8” and it’s in an area where I can get to it pretty easily.
>> 
>> Here’s a link to the EPC picture.  It’s part number 158:
>> 
>> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/Mercedes_1990_350-SDL/HOSE/7550227/1268323394.html
> 
> For $115 for a hose, I'd think about patching the hose, too!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:41:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Anyone ever change one of these out?  It looks like a real PITA.  I’m
> seriously thinking of trying to patch the hose, as the crack is only
> about 1/8” and it’s in an area where I can get to it pretty easily.
> 
> Here’s a link to the EPC picture.  It’s part number 158:
> 
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/Mercedes_1990_350-SDL/HOSE/7550227/1268323394.html

For $115 for a hose, I'd think about patching the hose, too!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This one is the best:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/macgruber-7-macgyver/n12458?snl=1

-D


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So have you seen the new McGiver reboot?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So have you seen the new McGiver reboot?


On 3/22/2017 12:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue 
about how things really work.   for the working people who make 
products repair, or install products, it is goofy as anything 
from hollyweird.


The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.

Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but 
was a good show, not hokey like mcdumber.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were 
clearly grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's 
mullet gets the farther you are into the series and the lamer 
it is.Remember that the '80s was a bd time for TV. That 
said I still like it.

-Curt


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[MBZ] W126 Weird Hose

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just found a small crack in a hose that goes from the left rear of the engine 
near the oil filter housing into the “false firewall” and over to the heat 
exchanger connection.  From the looks of the EPC it’s also got a little branch 
that comes off to feed the windshield plate heater.  MB part number 126 832 33 
94.  Can’t tell if it’s NLA, as it shows being available on a number of 
different parts web sites.

Anyone ever change one of these out?  It looks like a real PITA.  I’m seriously 
thinking of trying to patch the hose, as the crack is only about 1/8” and it’s 
in an area where I can get to it pretty easily.

Here’s a link to the EPC picture.  It’s part number 158:

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/Mercedes_1990_350-SDL/HOSE/7550227/1268323394.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kyle!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

It is kind of like sun valley transmissions. If you are going to pay for a
rebuild, go to the place that has been doing it the longest. It is the same
money.

Nobody has heads for wagons anyway, no matter what they say; you have to
find a core that is rebuildable and send it to them.

http://mercedesengines.net/

On Mar 21, 2017 5:30 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I found rebuilt engines for wagons:
>
> http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Complete_Diesel_Motors_s/2150.
> htm?mc_cid=6dcc09b248_eid=9e79e86b78
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Not ever hyperbole, 14 iterations plus I believe there was a tv show: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time_(franchise)
-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
The Lethal Weapon franchise is the adult equivalent of the "Land Before Time" 
kids series. Massage the story line to make it marginally different and spit 
out another to cash in.

I kid you not, there must have been 20 or more iterations of "Land Before 
Time", and my kids had to see/own every one...

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You want implausible?  Watch Lethal Weapon 3 with Renee Russo as a martial
> arts expert with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover as buddycops.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm given to understand they went to great lengths to make everything
>> plausible. For instance maybe you could do the thing but it would take an
>> implausibly long time or be ridiculously difficult or require a tremendous
>> about of the stuff you were doing it with but it COULD be done.
>> Unlike the A-Team that could make ANYTHING bulletproof with a gas torch
>> and a couple trash cans.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
>> 
>> McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how
>> things really work.  for the working people who make products repair,
>> or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.
>> 
>> The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.
>> 
>> Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a
>> good show, not hokey like mcdumber.
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>> March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
>>> The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly
>>> grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the
>>> farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the
>>> '80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Mel Gibson in one scene lapses into his Aussie twang for ONE word but I
caught it.  :)

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The Lethal Weapon franchise is the adult equivalent of the "Land Before
> Time" kids series. Massage the story line to make it marginally different
> and spit out another to cash in.
>
> I kid you not, there must have been 20 or more iterations of "Land Before
> Time", and my kids had to see/own every one...
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You want implausible?  Watch Lethal Weapon 3 with Renee Russo as a
> martial
> > arts expert with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover as buddycops.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm given to understand they went to great lengths to make everything
> >> plausible. For instance maybe you could do the thing but it would take
> an
> >> implausibly long time or be ridiculously difficult or require a
> tremendous
> >> about of the stuff you were doing it with but it COULD be done.
> >> Unlike the A-Team that could make ANYTHING bulletproof with a gas torch
> >> and a couple trash cans.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:37 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
> >>
> >> McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how
> >> things really work.  for the working people who make products repair,
> >> or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.
> >>
> >> The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.
> >>
> >> Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a
> >> good show, not hokey like mcdumber.
> >>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >>> March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
> >>> The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly
> >>> grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the
> >>> farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the
> >>> '80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.
> >>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

The Lethal Weapon franchise is the adult equivalent of the "Land Before Time" 
kids series. Massage the story line to make it marginally different and spit 
out another to cash in.

I kid you not, there must have been 20 or more iterations of "Land Before 
Time", and my kids had to see/own every one...

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You want implausible?  Watch Lethal Weapon 3 with Renee Russo as a martial
> arts expert with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover as buddycops.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm given to understand they went to great lengths to make everything
>> plausible. For instance maybe you could do the thing but it would take an
>> implausibly long time or be ridiculously difficult or require a tremendous
>> about of the stuff you were doing it with but it COULD be done.
>> Unlike the A-Team that could make ANYTHING bulletproof with a gas torch
>> and a couple trash cans.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
>> 
>> McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how
>> things really work.  for the working people who make products repair,
>> or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.
>> 
>> The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.
>> 
>> Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a
>> good show, not hokey like mcdumber.
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>> March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
>>> The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly
>>> grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the
>>> farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the
>>> '80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You want implausible?  Watch Lethal Weapon 3 with Renee Russo as a martial
arts expert with Mel Gibson and Danny Glover as buddycops.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm given to understand they went to great lengths to make everything
> plausible. For instance maybe you could do the thing but it would take an
> implausibly long time or be ridiculously difficult or require a tremendous
> about of the stuff you were doing it with but it COULD be done.
> Unlike the A-Team that could make ANYTHING bulletproof with a gas torch
> and a couple trash cans.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:37 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
>
> McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how
> things really work.  for the working people who make products repair,
> or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.
>
> The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.
>
> Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a
> good show, not hokey like mcdumber.
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
> > The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly
> > grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the
> > farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the
> > '80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Sad local 1983 300SD on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Actually, the interior is very clean so maybe no quite so sad as I had
thought.  Engine is suspicious due to surface rust and air cleaner missing
a nut.  Undercarriage suspension bits have surface rust.  I know Silver
Star - the local shop.  Used to drive my W111 3.5 coupe over there from NW
DC b/c they had a German mechanic (owner) who was very careful.
Eventually, he gently asked me to stop coming b/c there was less profit for
him working on such an old car.  :(

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Why is it sad?
>
> And yes, someone is already overpaying at the current $3005 bid.
>
> That being said, values on these cars has gone up significantly in the
> recent past.
>
> -D
>
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> >
> > Get your bids in.  Someone will either steal or overpay for this sad
> W126.
> > Vienna, VA is just SW of D.C.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm given to understand they went to great lengths to make everything 
plausible. For instance maybe you could do the thing but it would take an 
implausibly long time or be ridiculously difficult or require a tremendous 
about of the stuff you were doing it with but it COULD be done.
Unlike the A-Team that could make ANYTHING bulletproof with a gas torch and a 
couple trash cans.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how 
things really work.  for the working people who make products repair, 
or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.

The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.

Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a 
good show, not hokey like mcdumber.
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
> The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly 
> grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the 
> farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the 
> '80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

McGuyver was immensely popular with urbanites who have no clue about how 
things really work.   for the working people who make products repair, 
or install products, it is goofy as anything from hollyweird.


The premise is good, but it needed to be realistic.

Mission impossible (original tv) had some similar premises, but was a 
good show, not hokey like mcdumber.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
March 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM
The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly 
grasping for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the 
farther you are into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the 
'80s was a bd time for TV. That said I still like it.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The first season is pretty good but as it went on they were clearly grasping 
for ideas. The longer Richard Dean Anderson's mullet gets the farther you are 
into the series and the lamer it is.Remember that the '80s was a bd time 
for TV. That said I still like it.
-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
There is a local television feed on cable that's a national provider in most 
markets called "MeTV". They show all kinds of older TV shows, like Hogan's 
Heroes, Twilight Zone, etc., etc.  One of the shows they run is MacGyver, which 
precedes Hogan's Heroes (which I often watch before I fall to sleep.)

I never watched the show when it aired, but have heard about it, especially the 
spoofs on Saturday Night Live.  I occasionally see the last few minutes of it, 
and since having done so, have found that it's got to be one of the goofiest 
bad 80s shows that ever existed

-D

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think its specifically a region, MacGyver was supposed to be from 
> Minnesota. Its an attitude thing. I've got it, most here on the list have it, 
> lots of people don't.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Mountain Man 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
> 
> Curt wrote:
>> ... "What will you do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"
> 
> definitely new england
> use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without
> tin.tin
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

There is a local television feed on cable that's a national provider in most 
markets called "MeTV". They show all kinds of older TV shows, like Hogan's 
Heroes, Twilight Zone, etc., etc.  One of the shows they run is MacGyver, which 
precedes Hogan's Heroes (which I often watch before I fall to sleep.)

I never watched the show when it aired, but have heard about it, especially the 
spoofs on Saturday Night Live.  I occasionally see the last few minutes of it, 
and since having done so, have found that it's got to be one of the goofiest 
bad 80s shows that ever existed

-D

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think its specifically a region, MacGyver was supposed to be from 
> Minnesota. Its an attitude thing. I've got it, most here on the list have it, 
> lots of people don't.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Mountain Man 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
> 
> Curt wrote:
>> ... "What will you do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"
> 
> definitely new england
> use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without
> tin.tin
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sad local 1983 300SD on BAT

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Why is it sad?

And yes, someone is already overpaying at the current $3005 bid.

That being said, values on these cars has gone up significantly in the recent 
past.

-D

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get your bids in.  Someone will either steal or overpay for this sad W126.
> Vienna, VA is just SW of D.C.
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-2/
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Re: [MBZ] This is an extremely rare vehicle

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Photo was taken in the Space Station.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It has incredible grip though.  Those must be the highest quality tires
> ever offered for the Mercedes Benz marque.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 3/21/17 10:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> Mercedes 560 SEL
>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6054490680.html
>>
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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[MBZ] Sad local 1983 300SD on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Get your bids in.  Someone will either steal or overpay for this sad W126.
Vienna, VA is just SW of D.C.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kyle!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Actual mileage is 99,400.  I turned the clock AHEAD to make it appear that
the engine was already broken in.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Awesome! I had seen this site but couldn't find much on their quality. The
> company in California is talked about on the interweebs.
>
> As far as buying a used engine, might get a good one if you can wait around
> until you find it, or you slap down the cash for a rebuilt. I must admit,
> after the last 2 tanks of diesel, I am not too worried about needing an
> engine soon. The motor is literally purring now that it is being run
> regularly. I haven't even done the diesel purge and second oil change yet!
>
> Kyle
>
> On Mar 21, 2017 8:30 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > I found rebuilt engines for wagons:
> >
> > http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Complete_Diesel_Motors_s/2150.
> > htm?mc_cid=6dcc09b248_eid=9e79e86b78
> >
> > -D
> >
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[MBZ] Perfect for the old Mercedes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bR0AAOSwNSxU92zh/s-l300.jpg

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't think its specifically a region, MacGyver was supposed to be from 
Minnesota. Its an attitude thing. I've got it, most here on the list have it, 
lots of people don't.
-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
Curt wrote:
> ... "What will you do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"

definitely new england
use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without
tin.tin


   
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Olde England.

"We're short of nothing we've got."

>From my mum.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Mountain Man via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 22 March 2017 11:38
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mountain Man
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

Curt wrote:
> ... "What will you do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"

definitely new england
use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without
tin.tin


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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

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Curt wrote:
> ... "What will you do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"

definitely new england
use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without
tin.tin

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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ahh the wonder of being outside the rustbelt.
I *think* I'm going to spend some quality time welding my Jetta back to 
ship-shape and get another year out of it. I'd thought it had totally rotted 
out but the last time I took a look underneath it wasn't as bad as I thought.
People still think I'm crazy to drive a car with 280,000 miles. "What will you 
do if it breaks?" "Uuuuh, fix it?"

-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes  
Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
No idea, but I'm sure they paid more than $1100.

I think that with care, my family could drive our current cars until we
die, unless of course they are irreparably damaged in a collision or some
other catastrophic event.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> How much did the extended warranty cost? My brother in law did one of
> those deals and had a $1000 repair he got "for free". Turns out he paid
> like $5,000 for the warranty...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> *From:* Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List 
> *Cc:* Meade Dillon 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
>
> A work colleague has a relatively newish Subaru Outback, only 70k miles on
> it.  Valve body went out, but with the extended warranty they had purchased
> the repair was only $100 instead of $1100.  MB is not alone in building
> cars full of computers.  Colleague was amazed that I've got two cars with
> over 360k miles on each.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No idea, but I'm sure they paid more than $1100.

I think that with care, my family could drive our current cars until we
die, unless of course they are irreparably damaged in a collision or some
other catastrophic event.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> How much did the extended warranty cost? My brother in law did one of
> those deals and had a $1000 repair he got "for free". Turns out he paid
> like $5,000 for the warranty...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> *From:* Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List 
> *Cc:* Meade Dillon 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
>
> A work colleague has a relatively newish Subaru Outback, only 70k miles on
> it.  Valve body went out, but with the extended warranty they had purchased
> the repair was only $100 instead of $1100.  MB is not alone in building
> cars full of computers.  Colleague was amazed that I've got two cars with
> over 360k miles on each.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How much did the extended warranty cost? My brother in law did one of those 
deals and had a $1000 repair he got "for free". Turns out he paid like $5,000 
for the warranty...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up
   
A work colleague has a relatively newish Subaru Outback, only 70k miles on
it.  Valve body went out, but with the extended warranty they had purchased
the repair was only $100 instead of $1100.  MB is not alone in building
cars full of computers.  Colleague was amazed that I've got two cars with
over 360k miles on each.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:41 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I was thinking on that today as a gal passed me in her 57 chevy.  Got to
> thinking how way old that car was.  How they seemed antique back in the
> 1970’s.  This, while driving the 82 SD.  Then I was considering why I felt
> that Allen was more reliable than the w220.  That the new cars are really
> only reliable for about 10-12 years, then the computers and electronics
> fail and repair cost exceed the value of the car.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is an extremely rare vehicle

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It has incredible grip though.  Those must be the highest quality tires 
ever offered for the Mercedes Benz marque.


--FT


On 3/21/17 10:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


Mercedes 560 SEL
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6054490680.html

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Steel is going for $0.03/lb while rust is going for $0.80/lb

--FT


On 3/21/17 11:18 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

One zero too many in the asking price.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bar/6031615888.html

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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And don't forget to CHANGE YOUR FUSES

--FT


On 3/21/17 7:59 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing AND the ignition switch in off or acc.

You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches set
right.  Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you
know the switch settings.

Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2 and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it
also powers the windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn
signals (among many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should
only be powered if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition
switch in run or start).

Hope this helps.


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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Curley McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all

have no

juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for headlights

and

tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.

Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a closed
circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be made by

wiggling

the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.

The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes  March 21,
2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
lot worse on a newer vehicle.

RB




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Curley McLain  March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
gremlins in the 240D (81)

The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
not designed by MB/Bosch

These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
grounds behind the cluster.

It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.

Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.

I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.



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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Here is one of the better tutorials I have found on rebuilding injectors. 


http://vincewaldon.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=20=28

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Wouldn't sand paper risk embedding garnet particles in the metal, which
would prevent a good seal?  I've got some really fine wet/dry paper, I
think in grades from 800 up to 5000, that I use for sharpening wood
chisels.  I can easily get a mirror shine on those.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> Other than tongue, the alternate and far more effective means of lapping
> injector halves is with a glass plate and emery cloth or very fine
> sandpaper.
>
> -D
>
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> > On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't lap them at all neither by tongue nor by some other abrasive,
> just
> > cleaned and put them back together.  What would be the proper method for
> > lapping, some abrasive like valve grinding compound on a plate of glass?
> >
> > I used diesel purge to try to clean them at first, and then as the
> assembly
> > lube.  Diesel purge didn't really cut the carbon like I had hoped, but
> > brake cleaner did a pretty good job of loosening it up.
> >
> > Car ran very nicely this a.m. except for the uneven idle, but then that
> is
> > how it would perform before after a diesel purge treatment.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, the one time I tried the DIY injector rebuild didn't go so well.
> >> Lapping the injector halves was the worst. It was probably a week
> before I
> >> could get the taste of diesel out of my mouth.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I'm sure the issue will resurface.  I'll snag a new glow plug on my next order 
from an aftermarket supplier. That way I'll have one handy when I feel the need 
for some serious car repair self abuse.

-D

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The diagnostic circuit is not perfect, so it doesn't always tell you that
> there is a problem.  The glow plug is still bad.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Worked normally this morning. Ambient around 60F, took 25-30 seconds to
>> glow, no glow lights on the 25 minute drive to work.
>> 
>> Hmmm.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Other than tongue, the alternate and far more effective means of lapping 
injector halves is with a glass plate and emery cloth or very fine sandpaper.

-D

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I didn't lap them at all neither by tongue nor by some other abrasive, just
> cleaned and put them back together.  What would be the proper method for
> lapping, some abrasive like valve grinding compound on a plate of glass?
> 
> I used diesel purge to try to clean them at first, and then as the assembly
> lube.  Diesel purge didn't really cut the carbon like I had hoped, but
> brake cleaner did a pretty good job of loosening it up.
> 
> Car ran very nicely this a.m. except for the uneven idle, but then that is
> how it would perform before after a diesel purge treatment.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, the one time I tried the DIY injector rebuild didn't go so well.
>> Lapping the injector halves was the worst. It was probably a week before I
>> could get the taste of diesel out of my mouth.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] As a result of a bad acid trip the 0 key got stuck

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would go with a 2.5 turbo. I could be interested in the 240 3.0

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> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:24:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Go for it Craig, you know you want a crack car.
> 
> Well, not really. I think I'll pass on that one.
> 
> I have been thinking, however, of replacing the '82 240D/3.0.
> Perhaps with an '84 or '85 300SD, or maybe a W124.
> 
> Got any suggestions?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The diagnostic circuit is not perfect, so it doesn't always tell you that
there is a problem.  The glow plug is still bad.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Worked normally this morning. Ambient around 60F, took 25-30 seconds to
> glow, no glow lights on the 25 minute drive to work.
>
> Hmmm.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A work colleague has a relatively newish Subaru Outback, only 70k miles on
it.  Valve body went out, but with the extended warranty they had purchased
the repair was only $100 instead of $1100.  MB is not alone in building
cars full of computers.  Colleague was amazed that I've got two cars with
over 360k miles on each.

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Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:41 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I was thinking on that today as a gal passed me in her 57 chevy.  Got to
> thinking how way old that car was.  How they seemed antique back in the
> 1970’s.  This, while driving the 82 SD.  Then I was considering why I felt
> that Allen was more reliable than the w220.  That the new cars are really
> only reliable for about 10-12 years, then the computers and electronics
> fail and repair cost exceed the value of the car.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I didn't lap them at all neither by tongue nor by some other abrasive, just
cleaned and put them back together.  What would be the proper method for
lapping, some abrasive like valve grinding compound on a plate of glass?

I used diesel purge to try to clean them at first, and then as the assembly
lube.  Diesel purge didn't really cut the carbon like I had hoped, but
brake cleaner did a pretty good job of loosening it up.

Car ran very nicely this a.m. except for the uneven idle, but then that is
how it would perform before after a diesel purge treatment.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yeah, the one time I tried the DIY injector rebuild didn't go so well.
> Lapping the injector halves was the worst. It was probably a week before I
> could get the taste of diesel out of my mouth.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, the one time I tried the DIY injector rebuild didn't go so well.  Lapping 
the injector halves was the worst. It was probably a week before I could get 
the taste of diesel out of my mouth.

-D

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> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had some free time tonight, so I decided to clean up the two fouled
> injectors (that had been run without heat shields) and put that whole set
> back in while I wait for Mark to properly set the injectors with the new
> Monark nozzles.
> 
> I'm not very good at cleaning injectors apparently, the engine ran pretty
> badly once I got them all in and the lines bled.  I ran a can of diesel
> purge through the car straight, that helped immensely, and then went for a
> test drive.  The idle is not as smooth as it used to be, but the knocking
> is about 95% gone.  I'll run these injectors for a few days and then swap
> them out with the Monark nozzle injectors later this week.
> 
> I've also got fuel leaking from between the two halves of the nozzle holder
> body on #1 injector.  I'd need more practice and better tools before I'd be
> any good at injector work.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] power seat

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Check the BW forum, but if my memory serves me correctly the differences are 
significant due to the inclusion of the memory function in the Gen II controls.

-D

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> 
> The seat controls on the 300SD are sort of messed up.   I was wondering if I 
> could swap in the Gen II controls into a Gen I.  The old style is hard wired, 
> so I would need to hack into the wires and splice the connectors.  Anybody 
> know the pin out or wire designation?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kyle!

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Awesome! I had seen this site but couldn't find much on their quality. The
company in California is talked about on the interweebs.

As far as buying a used engine, might get a good one if you can wait around
until you find it, or you slap down the cash for a rebuilt. I must admit,
after the last 2 tanks of diesel, I am not too worried about needing an
engine soon. The motor is literally purring now that it is being run
regularly. I haven't even done the diesel purge and second oil change yet!

Kyle

On Mar 21, 2017 8:30 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I found rebuilt engines for wagons:
>
> http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Complete_Diesel_Motors_s/2150.
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Worked normally this morning. Ambient around 60F, took 25-30 seconds to glow, 
no glow lights on the 25 minute drive to work.

Hmmm.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not and it does not have a fuse for the GP relay, only a strip fuse for 
> the ACC blower.
> 
> Based on the initial diagnostics it sounds like the #3 glow plug has failed.  
> The symptoms are pretty much what the manual describes - little or no glow 
> plug light on startup, glow plug light coming on for approximately a minute 
> while engine running.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you swap out/in the GP relay and/or fuse (if it has them)?
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did not and it does not have a fuse for the GP relay, only a strip fuse for 
the ACC blower.

Based on the initial diagnostics it sounds like the #3 glow plug has failed.  
The symptoms are pretty much what the manual describes - little or no glow plug 
light on startup, glow plug light coming on for approximately a minute while 
engine running.

-D


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Did you swap out/in the GP relay and/or fuse (if it has them)?
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