Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

If you do want to home school, check into the curriculum developed by the US 
Department of State.  It was developed for use in countries where schools were 
either non-existant or incompatible with US standards for dependents of US 
State Department employees stationed abroad.

Probably the best school curriculum around.  People who intend for their 
children to attend Yale and Harvard obviously won't settle for a bunk school 
for their kids!
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

See if there is a Home Schooling Co-Op in your area.
There are a few here that are run by churches or civic org.
The instructors are all retired teachers / teachers that took leave to 
home school their kids.


Russ

On Sun,2/25/18 19:23, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if that is a 
good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life.

Sent from my iPhone






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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

How true.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 10:07 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Have we hit a time warp and returned to 1978 or something?
>
> I don't remember very much doubt amongst the scientist at Forestry Canada
> when I was working there as a post-doc in 1990.  When I was an
> undergraduate in the late 70's there was considerable discussion about
> whether man made climate change was real, but by the late 80's the people
> doing research and looking at data were completely convinced.  By data, not
> religious exhortation or indoctrination.
>
> The actual argument about global warming has been settled in the research
> community for a generation, it's politicians who raise non-tenable
> objections, not scientists.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Have we hit a time warp and returned to 1978 or something?

I don't remember very much doubt amongst the scientist at Forestry Canada when 
I was working there as a post-doc in 1990.  When I was an undergraduate in the 
late 70's there was considerable discussion about whether man made climate 
change was real, but by the late 80's the people doing research and looking at 
data were completely convinced.  By data, not religious exhortation or 
indoctrination.

The actual argument about global warming has been settled in the research 
community for a generation, it's politicians who raise non-tenable objections, 
not scientists.



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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

We have a member of the Los Alamos Labs' impromptu climate group on here. 

And obviously, we have you, Dwight. 

Mitch
> On February 25, 2018 at 9:40 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am wondering how many of the listers posting on this have read any real
> research, not political opinion one way or the other?

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 9:44 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Dwight sez:
>
> >‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any
> real
> >research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
>
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
>
> Rick
> "Just say No" ‎to cap and trade
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dwight sez:

>‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>research, not political opinion one way or >the other?

I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I am wondering how many of the listers posting on this have read any real
research, not political opinion one way or the other?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 9:30 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> This “theory” of a link between man and climate change might become more
> plausible when it ceases to be a platform or agenda which stems from one
> particular political party. And more so when it originates from a real
> scientist and not some dummy D student politician who is lining his pockets
> and flying around on private jets.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> > warming the planet?
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Respectfully, I do not agree.
> >> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges
> and
> >> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
> >> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
> >> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
> >> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called
> "representative
> >> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic
> eruption.are
> >> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
> >> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
> >> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
> >> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
> >> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
> >> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one
> of a
> >> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
> >> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur
> dioxide,
> >> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of
> smoke
> >> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of
> the
> >> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
> >>
> >> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry - forgot the link.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
> 
>  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
>  around
> > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
> >>> emissions
> > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > age".
> >
> > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
> >>> of
> > things global.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
> >> Gore's
> >> environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
> >>> need
> > to
> >> reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
> >>> him
> >> this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
>  which
> >> ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> >>
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >>  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
>  Strasfogel >> com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
> >> that
>  is
> >> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
>  analysis
> >> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > emissions
> >> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
>  doctrinaire
> >> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> >>
> >> OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
>  footprint
> >> then I don't give a F what he believes.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> >>> and
> >> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > verbiage
> >> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
>  sure
> >> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
>  case.
> >>
> >> That's what turns a 

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

This “theory” of a link between man and climate change might become more 
plausible when it ceases to be a platform or agenda which stems from one 
particular political party. And more so when it originates from a real 
scientist and not some dummy D student politician who is lining his pockets and 
flying around on private jets. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> warming the planet?
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Respectfully, I do not agree.
>> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
>> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
>> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
>> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
>> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
>> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
>> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
>> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
>> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
>> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
>> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
>> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
>> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
>> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
>> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
>> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
>> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
>> 
>> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry - forgot the link.
>>> 
>>> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
 
 On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
 around
> the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
>>> emissions
> of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> age".
> 
> Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
>>> of
> things global.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
>> Gore's
>> environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
>>> need
> to
>> reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
>>> him
>> this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
 which
>> ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
 Strasfogel> com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
>> that
 is
>> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
 analysis
>> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> emissions
>> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
 doctrinaire
>> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>> 
>> OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
 footprint
>> then I don't give a F what he believes.
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
>>> and
>> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> verbiage
>> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
 sure
>> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
 case.
>> 
>> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an
>> exercise
>>> of
>> (the lowest form of) politics.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf
>> Of
 Curt
>> Raymond via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Curt Raymond
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT 

Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I agree

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> First thing to do is to see what the state requirements are for home 
> schooling.
> 
> http://sde.ok.gov/sde/home-school
> 
> One point of concern:  "Academic progress must be established and maintained 
> for the child.” That means it’s up to you to make sure the student is 
> screened on a regular basis to make sure they’re learning and at he expected 
> education level for their age.  If you slack off or don’t maintain this, your 
> kid is screwed - even more so if you toss in the towel and send them back to 
> public school.
> 
> I say this with the most consideration for your wife - she doesn’t seem to 
> stick with stuff long term, and if that’s the case, home schooling is not for 
> her.  You’re dealing with the education of a child and a developing mind.  
> You screw this up and you’ve got a person who may not ever recover from the 
> damage done - for the rest of their life.
> 
> I know a couple of people who home school, my boss (four kids) and my next 
> door neighbor (one kid.)  Both say it takes a major commitment of time and 
> effort to do, far more than they ever expected.  My boss does it (I think) 
> for secular reasons, I don’t know what the motivation is for the neighbor.
> 
> I know my boss’s wife is going full bore full time with their home schooling, 
> and they interact with a lot of other like minded home schoolers, so the 
> social aspect of it really isn’t an issue in their case.  They also do a lot 
> of extracurricular stuff, like field trips and things like that.
> 
> It is, for all intents and purposes, a full time job/commitment that can’t be 
> blown off.  As a university trained teacher myself, I wouldn’t do it.
> 
> An alternative - get really, really involved with their school and education. 
>  It takes far less time but almost always yields benefits.  Studies have 
> shown time and time again that parents who take an active role in their 
> children’s education have higher performing children from an educational 
> standpoint.
> 
> That’s my professional opinion as an educator and parent.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if that is 
>> a good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
>>> schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well prepared,
>>> but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
>>> their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the first
>>> place. . . .
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Dan said - especially "An alternative - get really, really involved
with their school and education.  It takes far less time but almost always
yields benefits.  Studies have shown time and time again that parents who
take an active role in their children’s education have higher performing
children from an educational standpoint."

Our four kids went to "the worst" grade school in town and three ended up
attending Ivy league schools with scholarships, three have masters degrees,
one has two masters. I credit my wife's major involvement with the schools
and participation in the local gifted and talented parents association
(gifted kids get shoved aside more than challenged kids).

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> First thing to do is to see what the state requirements are for home
> schooling.
>
> http://sde.ok.gov/sde/home-school
>
> One point of concern:  "Academic progress must be established and
> maintained for the child.” That means it’s up to you to make sure the
> student is screened on a regular basis to make sure they’re learning and at
> he expected education level for their age.  If you slack off or don’t
> maintain this, your kid is screwed - even more so if you toss in the towel
> and send them back to public school.
>
> I say this with the most consideration for your wife - she doesn’t seem to
> stick with stuff long term, and if that’s the case, home schooling is not
> for her.  You’re dealing with the education of a child and a developing
> mind.  You screw this up and you’ve got a person who may not ever recover
> from the damage done - for the rest of their life.
>
> I know a couple of people who home school, my boss (four kids) and my next
> door neighbor (one kid.)  Both say it takes a major commitment of time and
> effort to do, far more than they ever expected.  My boss does it (I think)
> for secular reasons, I don’t know what the motivation is for the neighbor.
>
> I know my boss’s wife is going full bore full time with their home
> schooling, and they interact with a lot of other like minded home
> schoolers, so the social aspect of it really isn’t an issue in their case.
> They also do a lot of extracurricular stuff, like field trips and things
> like that.
>
> It is, for all intents and purposes, a full time job/commitment that can’t
> be blown off.  As a university trained teacher myself, I wouldn’t do it.
>
> An alternative - get really, really involved with their school and
> education.  It takes far less time but almost always yields benefits.
> Studies have shown time and time again that parents who take an active role
> in their children’s education have higher performing children from an
> educational standpoint.
>
> That’s my professional opinion as an educator and parent.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if
> that is a good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
> >> schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well
> prepared,
> >> but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
> >> their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the
> first
> >> place. . . .
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

First thing to do is to see what the state requirements are for home schooling.

http://sde.ok.gov/sde/home-school

One point of concern:  "Academic progress must be established and maintained 
for the child.” That means it’s up to you to make sure the student is screened 
on a regular basis to make sure they’re learning and at he expected education 
level for their age.  If you slack off or don’t maintain this, your kid is 
screwed - even more so if you toss in the towel and send them back to public 
school.

I say this with the most consideration for your wife - she doesn’t seem to 
stick with stuff long term, and if that’s the case, home schooling is not for 
her.  You’re dealing with the education of a child and a developing mind.  You 
screw this up and you’ve got a person who may not ever recover from the damage 
done - for the rest of their life.

I know a couple of people who home school, my boss (four kids) and my next door 
neighbor (one kid.)  Both say it takes a major commitment of time and effort to 
do, far more than they ever expected.  My boss does it (I think) for secular 
reasons, I don’t know what the motivation is for the neighbor.

I know my boss’s wife is going full bore full time with their home schooling, 
and they interact with a lot of other like minded home schoolers, so the social 
aspect of it really isn’t an issue in their case.  They also do a lot of 
extracurricular stuff, like field trips and things like that.

It is, for all intents and purposes, a full time job/commitment that can’t be 
blown off.  As a university trained teacher myself, I wouldn’t do it.

An alternative - get really, really involved with their school and education.  
It takes far less time but almost always yields benefits.  Studies have shown 
time and time again that parents who take an active role in their children’s 
education have higher performing children from an educational standpoint.

That’s my professional opinion as an educator and parent.

-D


> On Feb 25, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if that is 
> a good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
>> schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well prepared,
>> but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
>> their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the first
>> place. . . .
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The wife is wanting to start home schooling our kid. I’m not sure if that is a 
good idea. My main concern is being socially inept later in life. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
> schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well prepared,
> but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
> their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the first
> place. . . .
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 11 years living across from these people has taught me all I need to know
>> about them.
>> I used to say that if their house was on fire I'd shoot kerosene on it to
>> help it burn. Then I realized that if the house burned all the way down
>> it'd be easier to rebuild so the new plan is to take my garden hose over
>> and slow the fire a little so the house would be uninhabitable and more
>> difficult to rebuild...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:36:38 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But how does Curt REALLY feel?
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I dunno, if the half-wits across the street from me started home-schooling
>> I'd call child protective services. They're some the stupidest people I've
>> ever met. I don't see any redeeming factors in any of them...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:17:02 PM EST, Mountain Man via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> fmiser wrote:
>>> How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
>>> takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".
>> 
>> Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
>> The output of the education is without compare to the school system
>> hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
>> their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
>> have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
>> has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
>> Ban Schools!
>> tin.man
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Home schooling is not the answer for everyone - there were a lot of home
schooled kids that entered HS with our kids - some were very well prepared,
but most were left in the dust. Not all parents are capable of educating
their children, and a good number shouldn't have been parents in the first
place. . . .

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 11 years living across from these people has taught me all I need to know
> about them.
> I used to say that if their house was on fire I'd shoot kerosene on it to
> help it burn. Then I realized that if the house burned all the way down
> it'd be easier to rebuild so the new plan is to take my garden hose over
> and slow the fire a little so the house would be uninhabitable and more
> difficult to rebuild...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:36:38 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  But how does Curt REALLY feel?
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I dunno, if the half-wits across the street from me started home-schooling
> I'd call child protective services. They're some the stupidest people I've
> ever met. I don't see any redeeming factors in any of them...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:17:02 PM EST, Mountain Man via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  fmiser wrote:
> > How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
> > takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".
>
> Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
> The output of the education is without compare to the school system
> hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
> their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
> have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
> has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
> Ban Schools!
> tin.man
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct.  Only the V8 versions will have the 38 pin diagnostic connector.

-D


> On Feb 25, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most likely.
> 
> So I was out looking under the hood today and I figured it would have the 
> same round 32 or whatever it is pin connector for sds like the 119 powered 
> 124. The 104 still uses the banana clip connectors apparently. 
> 
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[MBZ] OT - more about fake

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Did anyone do the Richarde Sexton alt.dns thing?  It seemed
interesting years ago and perhaps pertinent today?  Plug in the
alt.dns ip-address and voila, you could see another realm of websites
such as atlantic.ocean - kinda geeky, but interesting cool.

A better version of Dylan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMbkzCdkgl4
And, what are other video sites - dtube was mentioned but is not to be found.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

11 years living across from these people has taught me all I need to know about 
them.
I used to say that if their house was on fire I'd shoot kerosene on it to help 
it burn. Then I realized that if the house burned all the way down it'd be 
easier to rebuild so the new plan is to take my garden hose over and slow the 
fire a little so the house would be uninhabitable and more difficult to 
rebuild...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:36:38 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 But how does Curt REALLY feel?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I dunno, if the half-wits across the street from me started home-schooling I'd 
call child protective services. They're some the stupidest people I've ever 
met. I don't see any redeeming factors in any of them...

-Curt


    On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:17:02 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 fmiser wrote:
> How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
> takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".

Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
The output of the education is without compare to the school system
hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
Ban Schools!
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[MBZ] OT - fixed for Andrew - Q-news

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

There is evidently a player in fake news that is known as Q.
Fake news is evidently  being censored.  Is this hearsay conspiracy?
Does anyone read fake news sites?  4chan 8chan have been mentioned -
does anyone see these?
How about fake video since search is reported to be going fake and
censored and the owner of video and real news is one and the same.
Are we in trouble?
Can this really be the end? que Dylan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WS-TTNaLyg
Was Parkland a drill?  Was it a massacre?  What is real?
Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:

> But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> analysis that supports a clear link between human-generated
> greenhouse gas emissions and a warming planet isn't really
> skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to accept an
> inconvenient truth.


To believe the analysis that lacks a clear link between human-generated
greenhouse gas emissions and a change in the climate of the planet
isn't really science:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to
accept an inconvenient truth.


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You forgot to include your real name.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> tin.man wrote:
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> >> warming the planet?
>
> ...forgot to trim the post...
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But how does Curt REALLY feel?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I dunno, if the half-wits across the street from me started home-schooling
> I'd call child protective services. They're some the stupidest people I've
> ever met. I don't see any redeeming factors in any of them...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:17:02 PM EST, Mountain Man via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  fmiser wrote:
> > How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
> > takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".
>
> Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
> The output of the education is without compare to the school system
> hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
> their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
> have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
> has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
> Ban Schools!
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

tin.man wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
>> warming the planet?

...forgot to trim the post...

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> warming the planet?

...hmmm... particulate traces of all sorts of bad health stuff?
How about this - compare horse apples on the pathway versus toxic
particulate traces in the greenhouse gas?  Do complete analysis
including biology and mining and more.
The largest problem is that there is little acknowledgement that
plebes can be different.  What will different produce?  Why does gov't
need to drive that?  Plebes can do this better than gov't.
tin.man

>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Respectfully, I do not agree.
>> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
>> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
>> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
>> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
>> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
>> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
>> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
>> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
>> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
>> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
>> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
>> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
>> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
>> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
>> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
>> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
>> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
>>
>> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry - forgot the link.
>> >
>> > https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
>> > > around
>> > > > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
>> > emissions
>> > > > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
>> > > > age".
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
>> > of
>> > > > things global.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
>> Gore's
>> > > > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
>> > need
>> > > > to
>> > > > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
>> > him
>> > > > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
>> > > which
>> > > > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Curt
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> > > > >
>> > > > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
>> > > Strasfogel> > > > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
>> that
>> > > is
>> > > > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
>> > > analysis
>> > > > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
>> > > > emissions
>> > > > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
>> > > doctrinaire
>> > > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
>> > > footprint
>> > > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
>> > and
>> > > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
>> > > > verbiage
>> > > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
>> > > sure
>> > > > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
>> > > case.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an
>> exercise
>> > of
>> > > > > (the lowest form of) politics.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Greg
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > > Curt

Re: [MBZ] OT Re: Ban the cars

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On February 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe any kind of off-body carry is inferior. 

Purse carry seems common these days. 
Is purse snatching still common too?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I dunno, if the half-wits across the street from me started home-schooling I'd 
call child protective services. They're some the stupidest people I've ever 
met. I don't see any redeeming factors in any of them...

-Curt


On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:17:02 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 fmiser wrote:
> How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
> takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".

Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
The output of the education is without compare to the school system
hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
Ban Schools!
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

fmiser wrote:
> How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
> takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".

Time = money.  One income potential is at home doing education, etc.
The output of the education is without compare to the school system
hired help.  Experts are great, i.e. parents are the best experts for
their children compared to school district employees, and, parents
have interest in the output much greater than hired help, and, tutor
has always been the premier education environment throughout time.
Ban Schools!
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have no doubt you will get it running. Should be a fun car and well worth
the trouble. I push my skinny 420 tires to the limit fairly often so the
sportier suspension on the 400e would be very nice.

On Feb 25, 2018 1:28 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Sounds like you are in over your head on this one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I have the same diagnostic system the dealer has. It’s unlikely the
dealer has anyone capable of working on this car at the level required.
>
> I have a third (yes, third) generation MB independent nearby that would
be my go-to for this if I was to start asking for help at that level.
They’ve forgotten more than the dealer ever knew.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:
>>
>> If beyond this point you are still stuck, would you consider having a
dealer to perform an advanced diagnostic test?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> Thanks, Karl, PM sent.
>>
>> The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical
functionally to the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine
has all been replaced as has the ETA.
>>
>> As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage
model, and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage,
so there’s nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model
produced at or around the same time.
>>
>> I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just
a matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dan
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Is the ASR light supposed to be lit in limp home mode?

Is limp home mode on all the time, or intermittent?
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
warming the planet?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Respectfully, I do not agree.
> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
>
> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry - forgot the link.
> >
> > https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> > > around
> > > > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
> > emissions
> > > > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > > > age".
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
> > of
> > > > things global.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
> Gore's
> > > > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
> > him
> > > > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> > > which
> > > > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > > > >
> > > > > Curt
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > > >
> > > > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> > > Strasfogel > > > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
> that
> > > is
> > > > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> > > analysis
> > > > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > > > emissions
> > > > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> > > doctrinaire
> > > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> > > footprint
> > > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> > and
> > > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > > > verbiage
> > > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> > > sure
> > > > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> > > case.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an
> exercise
> > of
> > > > > (the lowest form of) politics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Curt
> > > > > Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > > > > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore
> > crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing
> > it.
> > > > > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to
> > skepticism?
> > > > > Curt
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > > >
> > > > >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew 

Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sounds like you are in over your head on this one. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have the same diagnostic system the dealer has. It’s unlikely the dealer 
> has anyone capable of working on this car at the level required.
> 
> I have a third (yes, third) generation MB independent nearby that would be my 
> go-to for this if I was to start asking for help at that level.  They’ve 
> forgotten more than the dealer ever knew.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> If beyond this point you are still stuck, would you consider having a dealer 
>> to perform an advanced diagnostic test?
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes > > wrote:
>> Thanks, Karl, PM sent.
>> 
>> The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical functionally 
>> to the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine has all been 
>> replaced as has the ETA.
>> 
>> As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage model, 
>> and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage, so 
>> there’s nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model produced 
>> at or around the same time.
>> 
>> I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just a 
>> matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Most likely.

So I was out looking under the hood today and I figured it would have the same 
round 32 or whatever it is pin connector for sds like the 119 powered 124. The 
104 still uses the banana clip connectors apparently. 

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> On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That real estate agent you live with?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Who would do that?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Until someone gets ahold of it and wrecks it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Respectfully, I do not agree.
1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.

Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sorry - forgot the link.
>
> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> > around
> > > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
> emissions
> > > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > > age".
> > >
> > > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
> of
> > > things global.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
> need
> > > to
> > > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
> him
> > > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> > which
> > > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > > >
> > > > Curt
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > >
> > > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> > Strasfogel > > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that
> > is
> > > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> > analysis
> > > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > > emissions
> > > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> > doctrinaire
> > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> > footprint
> > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> and
> > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > > verbiage
> > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> > sure
> > > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> > case.
> > > >
> > > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise
> of
> > > > (the lowest form of) politics.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt
> > > > Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > > > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore
> crowd.
> > > >
> > > > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing
> it.
> > > > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to
> skepticism?
> > > > Curt
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > >
> > > >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers
> > could
> > > > take their show over to banned.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > > > > oversight on my part.
> > > > > ;))
> > > > >
> > > > > On 

Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I keep on forgetting that the '90s models -- although still "new" to me --
are in fact are antiquated and of little interest to the dealership
community.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have the same diagnostic system the dealer has. It’s unlikely the dealer
> has anyone capable of working on this car at the level required.
>
> I have a third (yes, third) generation MB independent nearby that would be
> my go-to for this if I was to start asking for help at that level.  They’ve
> forgotten more than the dealer ever knew.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > If beyond this point you are still stuck, would you consider having a
> dealer to perform an advanced diagnostic test?
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Thanks, Karl, PM sent.
> >
> > The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical
> functionally to the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine
> has all been replaced as has the ETA.
> >
> > As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage
> model, and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage,
> so there’s nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model
> produced at or around the same time.
> >
> > I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just
> a matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have the same diagnostic system the dealer has. It’s unlikely the dealer has 
anyone capable of working on this car at the level required.

I have a third (yes, third) generation MB independent nearby that would be my 
go-to for this if I was to start asking for help at that level.  They’ve 
forgotten more than the dealer ever knew.

-D


> On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> If beyond this point you are still stuck, would you consider having a dealer 
> to perform an advanced diagnostic test?
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Thanks, Karl, PM sent.
> 
> The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical functionally 
> to the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine has all been 
> replaced as has the ETA.
> 
> As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage model, 
> and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage, so 
> there’s nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model produced at 
> or around the same time.
> 
> I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just a 
> matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If beyond this point you are still stuck, would you consider having a
dealer to perform an advanced diagnostic test?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks, Karl, PM sent.
>
> The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical
> functionally to the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine
> has all been replaced as has the ETA.
>
> As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage
> model, and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage,
> so there’s nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model
> produced at or around the same time.
>
> I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just a
> matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Karl W  wrote:
> >
> > When I bought the 1994 E420, it went into limp mode. Straight off the
> trailer! I took it to Herbert, my cranky German mechanic, who took one look
> and said why did you buy this piece of s***? I said I thought you liked
> w124 cars? He said yes, but not the V8! Ended up needing wiring harness
> upper and throttle body.
> >
> > I think switching out the computer modules is standard diagnostic
> practice if you know the harnesses and throttle body are good. I have
> backups for all of them in a box. They come up on the 500e board a lot. A
> guy named Jeff Wong aka captruff will buy w124s and part them out, usually
> wagons, 400 or 500e. Gsxr and others also.
> >
> > Herbert did say that one half of the ignition will routinely die willy
> nilly and that the diagnostics are terrible. I guess that comports with
> your findings thusfar.
> >
> > I can send you whatever modules I have.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 25, 2018 10:17 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> So my confusion continues:
> >>
> >> 1993 400E (W124.034)
> >>
> >> Complaint:  In limp home mode, ASR light is lit at all times.  Engine
> has high idle (1200-1300 rpm) and surges with no load.  When loaded (in
> gear or driving) engine is smooth and performance is good.  Engine
> harnesses, both upper and lower, have been replaced.  ETA has been replaced
> with a Mercedes factory unit.  Accelerator cable and linkage are adjusted
> to spec.
> >>
> >> Diagnostics:
> >>
> >> Analog (LED) tester and blinks:
> >>
> >> LH - OK
> >> CC/ISC - 2
> >> ABS/ASR - 30
> >> BM - OK
> >> EZL - OK
> >>
> >> With the SDS I got:
> >>
> >> LH - OK
> >> EZ1 - 017 - Crankshaft position sensor L5 (current fault, could b a
> “phantom” fault according to the WIS)
> >> EFP/TPM/ISC - 014 - Control module EFP N4/1 (stored)
> >> GM - OK
> >> ASR - 030 - CAN: No reception from EFP N/1
> >>
> >> I can’t find anything in the WIS for a code 014 for the E-GAS (EFP)
> module.
> >>
> >> Is it possible I have a bad E-GAS module?  I have one on hand with a
> different number, however, it came from a car without ASR if that matters.
> I know that that number 2 for the CC/ISC is a real laundry list of stuff
> and is not terribly conclusive with the analog tester.
> >>
> >> Close inspection shows the diagnostic connector to be clean and
> intact.  Wires in the box are good as well and show no indication of damage
> or wear.
> >>
> >> I’m befuddled.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Karl, PM sent.

The typical culprits for these cars, which are nearly identical functionally to 
the W140s of the same vintage, is bad wiring. However, mine has all been 
replaced as has the ETA.

As for the diagnostics, they’re actually pretty good for this vintage model, 
and for that matter, the same on all other MBs of the same vintage, so there’s 
nothing unique as far as the V8 W124 over any other model produced at or around 
the same time.

I’m not ready to toss in the towel.  It’s narrowed down now so it’s just a 
matter of being able to zero in on the affected part and have at it

Thanks!

Dan

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Karl W  wrote:
> 
> When I bought the 1994 E420, it went into limp mode. Straight off the 
> trailer! I took it to Herbert, my cranky German mechanic, who took one look 
> and said why did you buy this piece of s***? I said I thought you liked w124 
> cars? He said yes, but not the V8! Ended up needing wiring harness upper and 
> throttle body.
> 
> I think switching out the computer modules is standard diagnostic practice if 
> you know the harnesses and throttle body are good. I have backups for all of 
> them in a box. They come up on the 500e board a lot. A guy named Jeff Wong 
> aka captruff will buy w124s and part them out, usually wagons, 400 or 500e. 
> Gsxr and others also.
> 
> Herbert did say that one half of the ignition will routinely die willy nilly 
> and that the diagnostics are terrible. I guess that comports with your 
> findings thusfar.
> 
> I can send you whatever modules I have.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018 10:17 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  
>> wrote:
>> So my confusion continues:
>> 
>> 1993 400E (W124.034)
>> 
>> Complaint:  In limp home mode, ASR light is lit at all times.  Engine has 
>> high idle (1200-1300 rpm) and surges with no load.  When loaded (in gear or 
>> driving) engine is smooth and performance is good.  Engine harnesses, both 
>> upper and lower, have been replaced.  ETA has been replaced with a Mercedes 
>> factory unit.  Accelerator cable and linkage are adjusted to spec.
>> 
>> Diagnostics:
>> 
>> Analog (LED) tester and blinks:
>> 
>> LH - OK
>> CC/ISC - 2
>> ABS/ASR - 30
>> BM - OK
>> EZL - OK
>> 
>> With the SDS I got:
>> 
>> LH - OK
>> EZ1 - 017 - Crankshaft position sensor L5 (current fault, could b a 
>> “phantom” fault according to the WIS)
>> EFP/TPM/ISC - 014 - Control module EFP N4/1 (stored)
>> GM - OK
>> ASR - 030 - CAN: No reception from EFP N/1
>> 
>> I can’t find anything in the WIS for a code 014 for the E-GAS (EFP) module.
>> 
>> Is it possible I have a bad E-GAS module?  I have one on hand with a 
>> different number, however, it came from a car without ASR if that matters. I 
>> know that that number 2 for the CC/ISC is a real laundry list of stuff and 
>> is not terribly conclusive with the analog tester.
>> 
>> Close inspection shows the diagnostic connector to be clean and intact.  
>> Wires in the box are good as well and show no indication of damage or wear.
>> 
>> I’m befuddled.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> So the states that don't require inspections need to collect some data.


Interesting that you would put the onus upon those States, rather than on
the ones that are actively promoting the bigger-government position.
(Reminds me of the Soviet position that their system would/could only begin
to work once the entire world was using it.  Yeah, right.)

Any/all data that one would need is already available.  Anything important
enough to justify such invasive government would be reflected in the
per-capita per-population-density actuarial statistics that are already
collected, for crime and property damage claims.  Compare the
program/non-program States.  It's probably fairly easy to quantify how much
such inspection programs _cost_, it's the benefit that is harder to
quantify.  But, can it be quantified sufficiently to determine if X is the
_best_ use of that amount towards the public weal?  My guess is yes, and
the answer would be: not even close.

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sorry - forgot the link.

https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> around
> > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
> > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > age".
> >
> > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
> > things global.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need
> > to
> > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> which
> > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > >
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> Strasfogel > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that
> is
> > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> analysis
> > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > emissions
> > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> doctrinaire
> > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > >
> > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> footprint
> > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > verbiage
> > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> sure
> > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> case.
> > >
> > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> > > (the lowest form of) politics.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt
> > > Raymond via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
> > >
> > > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> > > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers
> could
> > > take their show over to banned.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > > > oversight on my part.
> > > > ;))
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Go trump.
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
> the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
> of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> age".
>
> Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
> things global.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need
> to
> > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which
> > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is
> > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis
> > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> emissions
> > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire
> > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> >
> > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
> > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> verbiage
> > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
> >
> > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> > (the lowest form of) politics.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> > Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
> >
> > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> > take their show over to banned.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > > oversight on my part.
> > > ;))
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Go trump.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > > current
> > > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So the states that don't require inspections need to collect some data.

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> Inspection is the service stations' full employment bill.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Feb 25, 2018 12:55 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved
> > though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have
> a
> > $5 tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and
> > money and do more good in the end...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections -
> > especially in MD, where they failed
> > my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
> > plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
> > hassle.t
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan
> > > > Penoff via Mercedes
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > > > To: Mercedes List 
> > > > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > >
> > > > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> > > ever done
> > > > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> > > >
> > > > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> > > arbitrary
> > > > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> > > with a shop
> > > > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker
> > without
> > > > them ever seeing my car.
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > > > >
> > > > >> -Original Message-
> > > > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've
> never
> > > > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no
> vehicle
> > > > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> > > significantly
> > > > higher...
> > > > >> -Curt
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
age".

Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
things global.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need to
> reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which
> ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is
> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis
> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions
> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire
> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>
> OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
> then I don't give a F what he believes.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage
> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
>
> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> (the lowest form of) politics.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
>
> I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> take their show over to banned.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > oversight on my part.
> > ;))
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Go trump.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > current
> > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > >
> > > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun/Confusion

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So my confusion continues:

1993 400E (W124.034)

Complaint:  In limp home mode, ASR light is lit at all times.  Engine has high 
idle (1200-1300 rpm) and surges with no load.  When loaded (in gear or driving) 
engine is smooth and performance is good.  Engine harnesses, both upper and 
lower, have been replaced.  ETA has been replaced with a Mercedes factory unit. 
 Accelerator cable and linkage are adjusted to spec.

Diagnostics:

Analog (LED) tester and blinks:

LH - OK
CC/ISC - 2
ABS/ASR - 30
BM - OK
EZL - OK

With the SDS I got:

LH - OK
EZ1 - 017 - Crankshaft position sensor L5 (current fault, could b a “phantom” 
fault according to the WIS)
EFP/TPM/ISC - 014 - Control module EFP N4/1 (stored)
GM - OK
ASR - 030 - CAN: No reception from EFP N/1

I can’t find anything in the WIS for a code 014 for the E-GAS (EFP) module.

Is it possible I have a bad E-GAS module?  I have one on hand with a different 
number, however, it came from a car without ASR if that matters. I know that 
that number 2 for the CC/ISC is a real laundry list of stuff and is not 
terribly conclusive with the analog tester.

Close inspection shows the diagnostic connector to be clean and intact.  Wires 
in the box are good as well and show no indication of damage or wear.

I’m befuddled.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That real estate agent you live with?

-D

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who would do that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Until someone gets ahold of it and wrecks it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Inspection is the service stations' full employment bill.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 12:55 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved
> though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have a
> $5 tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and
> money and do more good in the end...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections -
> especially in MD, where they failed
> my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
> plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
> hassle.t
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > > Penoff via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > > To: Mercedes List 
> > > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >
> > > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> > ever done
> > > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> > >
> > > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> > arbitrary
> > > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> > with a shop
> > > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker
> without
> > > them ever seeing my car.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > > >
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > >>
> > > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> > significantly
> > > higher...
> > > >> -Curt
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Home school costs more because the parents are still paying into the local 
school system buy not getting any of the benefit, but have to pay for a 
separate curriculum and materials to teach their children.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 24, 2018 8:42:45 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
>takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Who would do that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Until someone gets ahold of it and wrecks it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks great!
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On February 24, 2018 5:05:02 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Just got back from doing the trade deal trading the 240D for the cab.
>>> Will need to fix the top and eventually replace the top. Also need some
>>> other items sorted out. Guy said it recently would not start and he had
>>> it towed in and they didn’t find a problem. I do notice it does not
>>> have as much power as it should and when accelerating it will sort of
>>> surge and sometimes full power kicks in. Will hook up sds and see what
>>> comes up.  Photos attached
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Until someone gets ahold of it and wrecks it.

-D


> On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks great!
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On February 24, 2018 5:05:02 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
>> Just got back from doing the trade deal trading the 240D for the cab.
>> Will need to fix the top and eventually replace the top. Also need some
>> other items sorted out. Guy said it recently would not start and he had
>> it towed in and they didn’t find a problem. I do notice it does not
>> have as much power as it should and when accelerating it will sort of
>> surge and sometimes full power kicks in. Will hook up sds and see what
>> comes up.  Photos attached
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks great!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 24, 2018 5:05:02 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Just got back from doing the trade deal trading the 240D for the cab.
>Will need to fix the top and eventually replace the top. Also need some
>other items sorted out. Guy said it recently would not start and he had
>it towed in and they didn’t find a problem. I do notice it does not
>have as much power as it should and when accelerating it will sort of
>surge and sometimes full power kicks in. Will hook up sds and see what
>comes up.  Photos attached
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved 
though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have a $5 
tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and money 
and do more good in the end...

Curt

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  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections - 
especially in MD, where they failed
my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
hassle.t

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >
> > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> ever done
> > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> >
> > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> arbitrary
> > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> with a shop
> > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> > them ever seeing my car.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >>
> > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> significantly
> > higher...
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's 
environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need to 
reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him this 
world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which ironically 
was one of Gore's problems in 2000...

Curt

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  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is a step 
forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis that 
supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions and a 
warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to 
accept an inconvenient truth.  

OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint then I 
don't give a F what he believes.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:

You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and thus to 
label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage is used in 
lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure that the user 
doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.

That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of (the 
lowest form of) politics.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt 
Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers 
could take their show over to banned.

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> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> oversight on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I have no love for inspections - especially in MD, where they failed
my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
hassle.t

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >
> > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> ever done
> > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> >
> > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> arbitrary
> > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> with a shop
> > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> > them ever seeing my car.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >>
> > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> significantly
> > higher...
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you are seen driving a pretty car like this your reputation will take a
hit.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 8:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> It appears the rear suspension bushings are worse off than the driver's
> seat?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is a step forward.
But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis that supports a
clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions and a warming
planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to
accept an inconvenient truth.

OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
then I don't give a F what he believes.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage
> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
>
> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> (the lowest form of) politics.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
>
> I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> take their show over to banned.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > oversight on my part.
> > ;))
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Go trump.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > current
> > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > >
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> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 560SL, Nice Price or Crack Pipe?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s at $36k. Wow but not a bad price for a low- mile icon

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> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> Didn't know they used those headlights in 1989...
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560sl-28/
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[MBZ] 560SL, Nice Price or Crack Pipe?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Didn't know they used those headlights in 1989...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mercedes-benz-560sl-28/

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Re: [MBZ] Red Car????

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kinda what I was thinking too.   GM stuff at any rate.  A Shovick?


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 6:15 AM
Back fenders & high trunk look like 54 or so Buick. Front end looks 
like 53

or 54 chebby. Hybrid?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] Red Car????

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Good point. It may have started out as a Buick hardtop that got wrecked in the 
front and the guy who rebuilt it wanted an open car. Certainly the wheels are 
not original. 
Cars are precious on the island and nothing is wasted. 
Mitch.

> On February 25, 2018 at 7:15 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Back fenders & high trunk look like 54 or so Buick. Front end looks like 53
> or 54 chebby. Hybrid?

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Re: [MBZ] Red Car????

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Back fenders & high trunk look like 54 or so Buick. Front end looks like 53
or 54 chebby. Hybrid?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 7:10 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
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> The back fenders are as wide as a rear engine Tucker, but I doubt the
> Tucker convertible (singular, I believe) is in Cuba.
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Re: [MBZ] There are a lot of savvy collectors on this list

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

MSN = Mostly Silly News?
Mitch. 
> On February 24, 2018 at 1:24 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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> 
> Valiant? Really?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Red Car????

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The back fenders are as wide as a rear engine Tucker, but I doubt the Tucker 
convertible (singular, I believe) is in Cuba.

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