Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Good point. I’m not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked unless 
> it has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only does 3 
> short pulses then stops.

It's monitoring drive current.  A blocked drain will cause the motor to work 
harder.
Of course, if the current sensor is faulty...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Briggs and Stratton files for Bankruptcy

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's not as bad as you might think... Capt 11 BK.. is a "reorganization
bankruptcy" where the BK court holds the creditors at bay while the company
catches its collective breath and does a bit of slow pay to creditors.

Unlike a Chapt 7 BK where all assets are sold off and company is
dissolved, creditors get an assigned by the court parcel of whatever the
assets bring at sale.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:56 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Sad to hear.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 9:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> https://www.thedrive.com/news/35017/everyones-favorite-small-engine-company-briggs-stratton-files-for-bankruptcy?fbclid=IwAR35tvR5ILQZoUDqhNjSIbGphhZmFTOZLWbQ9v9K9UNX5arhiE_qxa0ba7c
> > I wonder if Harbor Freight's engine sales pushed this along?
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ohh.. how not exciting.. a neutered XKE, with all of it's sex appeal
removed by the stylist at Jag but there IS room for a baby seat in the
back and a small stroller in the boot, just what you need to take to your
psych counsel appoint for actually buying one...

7500 miles in 30 years... yes.. that says it made a statement.. if it was
an XKE, it would have been driven down to the rocker panels long ago...
[presuming you could have gotten the Lucas electrics to let you drive it...
].

I've owned a raft load of Jags over the years.. this model has no soul...
for me.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:23 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> That’s actually a pretty good deal, even though it’s a 2+2 and an
> automatic. Having a 4.2l helps, but if you were going to choose all the
> things *not* to have on your Jag they pretty much checked all the boxes.
>
> I drove and serviced these back in the day. Seriously BA cars, especially
> on the track when they were running. I have no desire to own one, however.
> Maybe an XK140, but those have become stupid expensive nowadays as well.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, July 23, 2020 5:58 pm, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Sold at $19k.
> >
> > That's more like it.
> > $7k with half an hour to go seemed nuts.
> > Usually it's within 20% of FMV by then.
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>>Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
>>nursing homes.

>I do not understand why he did that.

I already answered that.

There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Said another way, because he can.

Statistics is numbers. If you need statistics for a certain purpose, you do 
what you need to do to make the numbers.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] hand sanitizer makes you blind

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Hand sanitizer... Yesterday, I went to Costco to stock up on a few items...
found a rack with 1 gallon jugs of hand sanitizer... $16. 95 a gallon,
limit ONE per customer...

What a statement of the times we live in...
It upset me so much I only bought one pallet of toilet paper... .;)))

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:34 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Food and Drug Administration has expanded the list of hand sanitizers
> — some sold at Walmart, Costco and other national chains — being recalled
> to at least 75 recently, saying toxic levels of wood alcohol in them can
> cause injury or death.
>
> Looks to be mostly Made in Mexico.
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-expands-hand-sanitizer-recall-least-75-brands-across-u-n1234246
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Re: [MBZ] Pig Flu Again????

[Clay via Mercedes]

Time to close up the consulates, roll up the welcome mat, and ban all imports 
from CCP.  It may bring a crisis of access to shitty goods, but that will be 
resolved by American Ingenuity and productivity.  We can make PPE out of all 
the “recyclables” that the chinese no longer want to take off our hands.  The 
stench of the raw material will require masking, the mixed paper can be made 
into gowns and masks.  Screw Walmart and other garbage retailers of imported 
toxins. Better to support the small business owners of you town and village 
over the corporate greed of Amazon.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:10 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like we might have even more fun and games this winter.
> Gerry
> -
> Hi Gerry,
> 
> New H1N1 Influenza A Strain Identified in Chinese Pig Farms. A study 
> published in PNAS this week reported the identification of a new H1N1 
> influenza A strain, possessing genes from the pandemic H1N1 2009 swine flu...
> 
> https://preview.mailerlite.com/q2x0y9/1471847058825547546/p9x9/txt/

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes that is a better summary. Thanks.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Not just 'what is required' which sounds like emergency management (which
> should carry a 30 day time limit IMO).
> He enacted criminal statute by way of executive fiat when he declared that
> failure to wear a mask in public was a more serious crime than DUI. You
> can't be convicted of a misdemeanor unless the legislature has made it a
> misdemeanor, at least not in a free country.
> Mitch.
>
> On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:37 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
>> state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the "crisis"
>> the legislature should be the governmental body that decides what is
>> required of its citizens.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Thu, July 23, 2020 9:23 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Not really, they only have 78,000 cases in a country of 10 million.

Michigan is a country of 10 million. 73,000 cases confirmed, plus about
8000 probables, highly concentrated in 3 counties surrounding Detroit.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Wonder if I should go with Bosch the next time or not.

I know some people like them but they are not among the top rated.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not just 'what is required' which sounds like emergency management (which
should carry a 30 day time limit IMO).
He enacted criminal statute by way of executive fiat when he declared that
failure to wear a mask in public was a more serious crime than DUI. You
can't be convicted of a misdemeanor unless the legislature has made it a
misdemeanor, at least not in a free country.
Mitch.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:37 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
> state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the "crisis"
> the legislature should be the governmental body that decides what is
> required of its citizens.


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the
"crisis" the legislature should be the governmental body that decides
what is required of its citizens.

Allan


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  He's a Democrat though, they can, apparently anyway, do no wrong.
> My sister-in-law's friend recently got a $500+ ticket for trying to go to the 
> beach in Maine without quarantining for 14 days first. The quarantine is 
> under an executive order from the government. I've yet to find a place in the 
> Constitution that allows for that.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:40:17 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  >A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
> they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
> murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>
>
> Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
> nursing homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and 
> those with comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is 
> mass murder. There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.
>
> Rick
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

This is a visual description of how electrostatic masks work.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:40:23 -0700
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:

> Kaleb that is totally untrue. The masks work through electrostatic charges.
> They are not a sieve.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 6:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is
> > the mast?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> > > getting it from you.
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> > >> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> > >> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or
> > something.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> > >> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going
> > to
> > >> get infected.
> > >>>
> > >>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected,
> > then
> > >> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is
> > that
> > >> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> > >>>
> > >>> -Curt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> > Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > >>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> > >> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several
> > reasons
> > >> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA
> > tell
> > >> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> > >> restrictions...
> >  Curt
> > 
> >  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > 
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> > >> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> > >> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> > >> creating a false sense of security?
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> > >> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing
> > and
> > >> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >
> > >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> > >> social
> > >> distancing and masks.
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> > >> where
> > >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> > >> spread
> > >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> > >> fiddle with
> > >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> > >> mask
> > >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> > >> not be
> > >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> > >> other
> > >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> > >>
> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> > >> to
> > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>
> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> > >> doing.”  Wernher
> > >> Von Braun
> > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I  have heard it said breathing thru your nose provides about as much 
natural filtration as most of these mask do.  Breathing thru your mouth 
sucks more of it in.


On 7/23/2020 9:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I find that when I wear a mask I tend to breath through my mouth, which
is worse for filtering out contaminants.

I am a nose-breather otherwise, unless I'm doing something strenuous and
need to move larger volumes of air.

If I'm wearing a mask I have to contentrate on deliberately breathing
through my nose.

Allan

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:


I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report

then

came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.

Next,

what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these

are

things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
please post that study.


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I find that when I wear a mask I tend to breath through my mouth, which
is worse for filtering out contaminants.

I am a nose-breather otherwise, unless I'm doing something strenuous and
need to move larger volumes of air.

If I'm wearing a mask I have to contentrate on deliberately breathing
through my nose.

Allan

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
> mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
> was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
> throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
> touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
> for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
> people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
> then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
> playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
> masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
> did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
>> dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
>> > they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
>> then
>> > came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.
>> Next,
>> > what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these
>> are
>> > things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
>> > please post that study.
>> >
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You need to put a scanner on it and clear the codes you’ll be good 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wondered if it might be a control board. Need to check prices on that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
>> not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
>> parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
>> seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
>> fixed.
>> 
>> How much is a new control board?
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
>>> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
>>> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
>>> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
>>> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
>>> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
>>> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
>>> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
>>> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
>>> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
>>> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
>>> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
>>> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
>>> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
>>> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
>>> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
>>> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
>>> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>>> 
>>> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
>>> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
>>> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
>>> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
>>> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
>>> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
>>> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
>>> we can go get one on our own.
>>> 
>>> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
>>> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
>>> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
>>> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
>>> the next time or not.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Briggs and Stratton files for Bankruptcy

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sad to hear.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 9:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.thedrive.com/news/35017/everyones-favorite-small-engine-company-briggs-stratton-files-for-bankruptcy?fbclid=IwAR35tvR5ILQZoUDqhNjSIbGphhZmFTOZLWbQ9v9K9UNX5arhiE_qxa0ba7c
> I wonder if Harbor Freight's engine sales pushed this along?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If it is transmitted by droplets, they droplets hold the virus. If it is 
airborn, the virus does not require droplets to carry it, it is carried 
in the air.  Here are a couple of articles that explain the different 
and precautions needed for each.  Although the one article talks about 
it is known that Covid is carried in droplets, I do not believe that has 
been determined.


https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/basics/transmission-based-precautions.html

https://fprehab.com/2020/04/10/understanding-the-difference-between-airborne-and-droplet-precautions/

On 7/23/2020 8:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Its a respiratory illness, of course its airborne. Think about the 
word: air, meaning that stuff all around us, borne, meaning carried 
upon. The virus gets carried upon the air when people cough or sneeze. 
It also gets transmitted by being wiped on things. There might even be 
other ways we don't know about yet.


Also, a respiratory illness will be transmitted through the mouth and 
nose, covering them up will slow (but Phillip is right it won't 
prevent or stop) transmission.


-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:30:59 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:



Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus 
airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and 
complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or 
something.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote:

>
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an 
idiot. If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost 
certainly going to get infected.

>
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, 
then they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who 
die, is that murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?

>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>
>
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions 
and will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several 
reasons why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends 
in LA tell me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have 
reopened with few restrictions...

> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This 
could be due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are 
then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a false sense of 
security?

> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando 
Mask wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still 
climbing and death rate too. Masks alone are not the answer.

> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>:

> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down 
since social

> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in 
Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death 
to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then 
fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with 
the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this 
might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of 
other

>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
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> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I mean, Belgium has the highest death rate period. I've wondered about that 
for a while now, it seems a curious number.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:38:06 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sweden's death rate has been in steady decline, now down to about 10 people
per day, from a high of 100 per day.  I'd say their approach is looking
like it worked out just fine.  Compare them to Belgium, which went the full
lock-down route, and it is clear that lock-down vs. no lock-down does not
seem to change how the Wuhan Red Death moves through the population, but
the economic impacts are sure different.  Belgium had a peak of 300 per
day, and is also now down to about 2 per day.  Note that Sweden and Belgium
have very similar size populations.  Rather than blindly accepting what
they put on the evening news, I like to check some facts for myself, there
are plenty of websites that have tracking numbers.  I like this one:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/covid-19-tracker/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> > Mitch.
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
> dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> > they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
> then
> > came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.
> Next,
> > what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these
> are
> > things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> > please post that study.
> >
>
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[MBZ] OT: Briggs and Stratton files for Bankruptcy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35017/everyones-favorite-small-engine-company-briggs-stratton-files-for-bankruptcy?fbclid=IwAR35tvR5ILQZoUDqhNjSIbGphhZmFTOZLWbQ9v9K9UNX5arhiE_qxa0ba7c
I wonder if Harbor Freight's engine sales pushed this along?
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I wondered if it might be a control board. Need to check prices on that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
> not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
> parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
> seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
> fixed.
> 
> How much is a new control board?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
>> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
>> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
>> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
>> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
>> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
>> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
>> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
>> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
>> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
>> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
>> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
>> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
>> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
>> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
>> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
>> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
>> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>> 
>> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
>> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
>> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
>> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
>> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
>> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
>> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
>> we can go get one on our own.
>> 
>> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
>> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
>> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
>> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
>> the next time or not.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You're still missing the point, the mask isn't there to filter the virus out, 
we know thats too hard. Gads, if people complain about breathing through a 
simple cloth mask I can't imagine how they'd complain if it was actually 
filtering.
The mask slows down your breath, it keeps your spew circle smaller to protect 
others. Its not 100%, nobody with a brain is claiming its 100%. The point is to 
reduce transmission.
Your circular argument is aggravating. I'm pretty sure you've just made up your 
mind and lined up your talking points and don't read anything anybody else 
writes. You certainly don't respond with anything new. Its kind of like arguing 
with Andrew although you at least respond to the right message.

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:37:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is the 
mast? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
>> other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”  Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Good point. I’m not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked unless it 
has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only does 3 short 
pulses then stops. I will mess with it some more tomorrow. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> If, for example, the power supply for the pump was faulty, how would
> the system know the difference between P/S and pump issues?  There's
> a limit to how much self-diagnosis is possible, especially if they're trying
> to minimize the cost of the unit.
> 
> I treat fault reports as "look here first", not "replace this now."
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Kaleb that is totally untrue. The masks work through electrostatic charges.
They are not a sieve.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 6:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is
> the mast?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> > getting it from you.
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> >> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> >> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or
> something.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> >> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going
> to
> >> get infected.
> >>>
> >>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected,
> then
> >> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is
> that
> >> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> >>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> >> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several
> reasons
> >> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA
> tell
> >> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> >> restrictions...
>  Curt
> 
>  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> >> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> >> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> >> creating a false sense of security?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> >> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing
> and
> >> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >
> >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> >> social
> >> distancing and masks.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> >> where
> >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> >> spread
> >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> >> fiddle with
> >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> >> mask
> >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> >> not be
> >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> >> other
> >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> >> to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> >> doing.”  Wernher
> >> Von Braun
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I do not understand why he did that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
>> they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
>> murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> 
> Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
> nursing homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and 
> those with comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is 
> mass murder. There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
>> other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”  Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I hate those kind of videos, if somebody can't be bothered to write it down I 
don't care.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:34:41 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next,
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> please post that study.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young,
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build
> as strong immune systems.
> >
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing
> a whole world of germs.
> >
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> >
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is
> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing
> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going
> to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The
> pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do
> it though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off
> regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're
> still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical
> way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others,
> protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then
> the deaths go up from that.
> > >>
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill,
> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the
> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
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> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> OK Don
> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>> ___
> > >>> 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is the 
mast? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
>> other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”  Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sweden's death rate has been in steady decline, now down to about 10 people
per day, from a high of 100 per day.  I'd say their approach is looking
like it worked out just fine.  Compare them to Belgium, which went the full
lock-down route, and it is clear that lock-down vs. no lock-down does not
seem to change how the Wuhan Red Death moves through the population, but
the economic impacts are sure different.  Belgium had a peak of 300 per
day, and is also now down to about 2 per day.  Note that Sweden and Belgium
have very similar size populations.  Rather than blindly accepting what
they put on the evening news, I like to check some facts for myself, there
are plenty of websites that have tracking numbers.  I like this one:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/covid-19-tracker/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> > Mitch.
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How long does it take to reach here immunity?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
>> Mitch.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next,
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> please post that study.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young,
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build
> as strong immune systems.
> >
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing
> a whole world of germs.
> >
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> >
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is
> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing
> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going
> to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The
> pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do
> it though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off
> regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're
> still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical
> way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others,
> protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then
> the deaths go up from that.
> > >>
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill,
> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the
> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> OK Don
> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>> ___
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> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a really good deal 2005 Mercedes E500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes worth the price since we know the event that caused problem.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 11:01 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I'm thinking put the computer on it and see how bad it's buggered.
> Probably something simple, coil pack or something like that.  h...
>
>
> 2005 Mercedes E500 - $2000(Fernandina)
>
> fuel: *gas*
> title status: *clean*
> transmission: *automatic*
>
> Selling a 2005 Mercedes E500. Very nice body and interior! Car ran
> perfect until the guy I got it from changed the spark plugs. Now the car
> has a skip. Not sure what is wrong but could be a great car for someone
> that knows how to fix them. Asking $2,000. Call 904-753-1672.
>
>
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/fernandina-beach-2005-mercedes-e500/7157439612.html
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Re: [MBZ] EYE BLEACH REQUIRED!!! 1991 MERCEDES BENZ 350 SDL TURBO! CLASSIC RIDE W/AC! $3995!!!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Capital offense

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Stealth paint might not be totally unique, but I've never seen red wheels
> or red wood trim on a W126 before.
>
>
> >
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/orange-park-1991-mercedes-benz-
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 He's a Democrat though, they can, apparently anyway, do no wrong.
My sister-in-law's friend recently got a $500+ ticket for trying to go to the 
beach in Maine without quarantining for 14 days first. The quarantine is under 
an executive order from the government. I've yet to find a place in the 
Constitution that allows for that.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:40:17 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 >A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
 >they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
 >murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?


Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the nursing 
homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and those with 
comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is mass murder. 
There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Rick


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
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> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
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> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 

Re: [MBZ] EYE BLEACH REQUIRED!!! 1991 MERCEDES BENZ 350 SDL TURBO! CLASSIC RIDE W/AC! $3995!!!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

More than eye bleach. Patches

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Not for the faint of heart
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Not really, they only have 78,000 cases in a country of 10 million. The number 
of new infections per day in Sweden right now is only a bit higher than here in 
MA yet they have almost 5 times as many people. So their rate of transmission 
is actually lower.
Sweden has been kind of a whipping boy for not having many restrictions but the 
number of infected is fairly low and at their worst they were only getting 
around 1800 infections (well, reported infections) a day.
Their death rate is among the highest but is still lower than the UK or Italy. 
Its worth noting that Swedes aren't big huggers. ;)

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:34:30 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> Mitch.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Its a respiratory illness, of course its airborne. Think about the word: air, 
meaning that stuff all around us, borne, meaning carried upon. The virus gets 
carried upon the air when people cough or sneeze. It also gets transmitted by 
being wiped on things. There might even be other ways we don't know about yet.
Also, a respiratory illness will be transmitted through the mouth and nose, 
covering them up will slow (but Phillip is right it won't prevent or stop) 
transmission.

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:30:59 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus airborne 
or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and complete waste of 
time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If 
> you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get 
> infected.
> 
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
> go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
> Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> 
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> > be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> > cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me 
> > that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few 
> > restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >  
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> >Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are 
> >actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that 
> >masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks 
> >are creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> >> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
> >> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> >>> Wernher
> >>> Von Braun
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
fixed.

How much is a new control board?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>
> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
> we can go get one on our own.
>
> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
> the next time or not.
>
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[MBZ] Partial Score

[Craig via Mercedes]

Mitch suggested I check out pawn shops for A/C vacuum pumps and other
such stuff, so I checked one in Albuquerque out today.

I got:

- a (appears to be working properly, but unsure of calibration) Fieldpiece
  SRS1 refrigerant scale for $110.00

- a Cornwell MSM-201CR Vacuum Assist Cooling System Refiller (Universal)
  with a broken gauge for $60.00.

I know the Cornwell is a good deal. I'm not entirely sure the Fieldpiece
is, pricewise, but at least I have it.

No vacuum pumps or pressure gauges, but their stock changes all the time.
In addition, there are several more pawn shops in Albuquerque which I need
to check out.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then they 
>go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
>>Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?


Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the nursing 
homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and those with 
comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is mass murder. 
There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Rick


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
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> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If, for example, the power supply for the pump was faulty, how would
the system know the difference between P/S and pump issues?  There's
a limit to how much self-diagnosis is possible, especially if they're trying
to minimize the cost of the unit.

I treat fault reports as "look here first", not "replace this now."

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
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> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> Mitch.
>

-- 
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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus airborne 
or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and complete waste of 
time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something. 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If 
> you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get 
> infected.
> 
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
> go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
> Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> 
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> > be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> > cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me 
> > that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few 
> > restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >  
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> > Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are 
> > actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that 
> > masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks 
> > are creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> >> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
> >> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
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> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Turbo diesels? I thought all the manual transmissions were NA.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:06:31 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 He did say that, but perusing the Technical Data books shows that they did
in the RTW, just not here.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:22 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recall Herr Doktor Booth saying that MB never built a turbodiesel with
> a stick. Any that exist are conversions.
>
> Allan
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > On Thu, July 23, 2020 3:52 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.
> >
> > I'm not sure they had a turbo W201 in Europe.
> >
> > There were over 1000 of them in USA, and I think about ten of them got
> > converted to stick. Might be interesting to search BenzWorld and see if
> > anybody ever wrote about converting a silver/tan one. Mine is silver/red,
> > which I think is a lot more common.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If you 
insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get infected.
A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
those at high risk should isolate at home.

On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that 
> almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>  
>    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually 
>leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are 
>trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating 
>a false sense of security?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
>> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
>> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
>>
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
>>
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>>
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.

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>>> OK Don
>>>
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>>
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over 
and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher 
would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24) 
indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did 
not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered 
the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes, 
no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so 
I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even 
blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and 
checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs 
into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3 
short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is 
pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I 
am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says 
Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.  
Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will 
pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is 
blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.


In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be 
eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not 
understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting 
on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the 
"appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if 
they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to 
buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and 
we can go get one on our own.


I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error 
say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they 
are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years 
is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch 
the next time or not.



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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wrong. I have to wear a mask because you won't.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> >>> Von Braun
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
Mitch.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 8:04 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> My son lives in LA.  He says the 30-somethings over crowded the bars and
> avoided the social distance protocols.  Masks were also a little used
> option.  NOW THEY MUST DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.


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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[OK Don via Mercedes]

He did say that, but perusing the Technical Data books shows that they did
in the RTW, just not here.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:22 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recall Herr Doktor Booth saying that MB never built a turbodiesel with
> a stick. Any that exist are conversions.
>
> Allan
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > On Thu, July 23, 2020 3:52 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.
> >
> > I'm not sure they had a turbo W201 in Europe.
> >
> > There were over 1000 of them in USA, and I think about ten of them got
> > converted to stick. Might be interesting to search BenzWorld and see if
> > anybody ever wrote about converting a silver/tan one. Mine is silver/red,
> > which I think is a lot more common.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My son lives in LA.  He says the 30-somethings over crowded the bars and
avoided the social distance protocols.  Masks were also a little used
option.  Now they must deal with the consequences.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
those at high risk should isolate at home.


On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will be 
seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why cases 
have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that almost 
nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  
   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a false sense of security?


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :


Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
things that normally would it be spread like this.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will be 
seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why cases 
have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that almost 
nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
Curt

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  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually 
leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are 
trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a 
false sense of security?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
> too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

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That’s actually a pretty good deal, even though it’s a 2+2 and an automatic. 
Having a 4.2l helps, but if you were going to choose all the things *not* to 
have on your Jag they pretty much checked all the boxes.

I drove and serviced these back in the day. Seriously BA cars, especially on 
the track when they were running. I have no desire to own one, however. Maybe 
an XK140, but those have become stupid expensive nowadays as well.

-D

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, July 23, 2020 5:58 pm, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sold at $19k.
> 
> That's more like it.
> $7k with half an hour to go seemed nuts.
> Usually it's within 20% of FMV by then.
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Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

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On Thu, July 23, 2020 5:58 pm, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Sold at $19k.

That's more like it.
$7k with half an hour to go seemed nuts.
Usually it's within 20% of FMV by then.

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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I recall Herr Doktor Booth saying that MB never built a turbodiesel with
a stick. Any that exist are conversions.

Allan

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> On Thu, July 23, 2020 3:52 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.
>
> I'm not sure they had a turbo W201 in Europe.
>
> There were over 1000 of them in USA, and I think about ten of them got
> converted to stick. Might be interesting to search BenzWorld and see if
> anybody ever wrote about converting a silver/tan one. Mine is silver/red,
> which I think is a lot more common.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT woods find!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That would be kinda cool, could maybe monetize my "investment" on 
youtuber advert income!


I'm looking at a little tractor that is in this auction.  The auction 
goes for like another 3 weeks, I might try to pick it up fairly cheap


--FT

On 7/23/20 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Send title.

Seriously, bid $5 for it and make a series of Youtube videos about it.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

IMO they should be telling vulnerable people to wear N95 masks to protect
themselves. Nobody cares more about one's own health than oneself. They
will be motivated.

Telling young people who don't really have much to worry about to wear
masks that won't stop them getting the virus --- you can see why that's
a tough sell.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
> complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask 
> reduces the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is 
> more likely to stick with you than to float around free.
> Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea 
> is to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being 
> overloaded. I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to 
> get it, its just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some 
> hospital capacity available so that if I'm one of the people that needs 
> hospitalization I can get in. For that to be true we need to not do what 
> Florida is doing...
> Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
> has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
> hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before 
> we get everybody infected and can get on with life.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say 
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then 
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, 
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are 
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody 
> please post that study. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
>> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
>> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
>> as strong immune systems.
>> 
>> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
>> whole world of germs.
>> 
>> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
>> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
>> your germs on your face and away from me.
>> 
>> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is 
>> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing 
>> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to 
>> get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants 
>> don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
>> though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
>> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
>> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
>> > to not...
>> > -Curt
>> > 
>> >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> >Mercedes  wrote:  
>> > 
>> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
>> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> >> deaths go up from that. 
>> >> 
>> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet 
>> >> the amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>>   wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> >>> distancing and masks.
>> >>> 
>>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas 
>>  where
>>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>>  with
>>  and touch the mask. They might 

Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sold at $19k.
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>  Man, has a more phallic car ever been made?
> Serious temptation though, an e-type wouldn't stay at that price...
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:35:53 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Yeah, it's a 4.2 2+2 with a slushbox and needs TLC, but four digits??
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-jaguar-xke-22-18/
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Re: [MBZ] OT woods find!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Send title.

Seriously, bid $5 for it and make a series of Youtube videos about it.

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[MBZ] OT woods find!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There is something disturbingly tempting about this

40 or 50s era Cadillac sedan Over grown with brush Buyer must remove Black

https://auctionservicesltd.hibid.com/lot/69514661/vintage-caddilac/?cpage=5=100==catalog

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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

oh right, I knew that... duh

-_FT

On 7/23/20 5:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Not a 124, that's a 201 "cheap" class.

Notice the picture of all the Uro parts that come with it?  Run away with
your hair on fire...
-
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:52 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.  Could it be a euro model?  I
don't know that much about 124 diesels

--FT

On 7/23/20 3:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Those don't look like 1987 headlights to me, but it's got 1987 turbo

gills

on the right fender. Underhood pics show a turbo and interior pics show a
stick shift. Somebody built that.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:48 am, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

1986+87 Mercedes Benz 2.5L turbodiesel




https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-mercedes-benz-25l-turb

odiesel/7161034759.html


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[MBZ] hand sanitizer makes you blind

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The Food and Drug Administration has expanded the list of hand sanitizers
— some sold at Walmart, Costco and other national chains — being recalled
to at least 75 recently, saying toxic levels of wood alcohol in them can
cause injury or death.

Looks to be mostly Made in Mexico.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-expands-hand-sanitizer-recall-least-75-brands-across-u-n1234246

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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Not a 124, that's a 201 "cheap" class.

Notice the picture of all the Uro parts that come with it?  Run away with
your hair on fire...
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> Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.  Could it be a euro model?  I
> don't know that much about 124 diesels
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/23/20 3:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Those don't look like 1987 headlights to me, but it's got 1987 turbo
> gills
> > on the right fender. Underhood pics show a turbo and interior pics show a
> > stick shift. Somebody built that.
> >
> > On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:48 am, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 1986+87 Mercedes Benz 2.5L turbodiesel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-mercedes-benz-25l-turb
> >> odiesel/7161034759.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dimitri wrote:

> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect
> others, protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

It CANNOT be contained.  Slowed - maybe. Contained - no.  Protect
those who are have a high risk, and the rest of us should move
on.  If you feel you are at risk by all means isolate!!

Most of us will catch it.  Most of us won't notice we had it.
Those that do have symptoms can partake of the documented
treatments to help.  Once most of us have had it, the protected,
high risk folks can emerge.

Or not, because there will be another seasonal flu.  And corona
virus colds.  And all manner of things for our immune system to
fight.  Those who have a high risk will be at a high risk from all
that stuff!

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[MBZ] Pig Flu Again????

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Looks like we might have even more fun and games this winter.
Gerry
-
Hi Gerry,

New H1N1 Influenza A Strain Identified in Chinese Pig Farms. A study published 
in PNAS this week reported the identification of a new H1N1 influenza A strain, 
possessing genes from the pandemic H1N1 2009 swine flu...

https://preview.mailerlite.com/q2x0y9/1471847058825547546/p9x9/txt/


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Another thing that I've heard is going on, the rich get the instant test,
and only go into treatment if needed.  The poor get the slow test, and
while waiting for the results they get hospitalized in a room full of other
poor people also waiting for test results, so if they didn't have it when
they arrived, they surely end up with the Wuhan Red Death by the time they
leave.  "Here's your mask, wait over there, we'll tell you when you're
sick!"  Personally I'm going to do everything I can to stay away from
Hospitals, too many people die there.
-
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:04 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The cases I think are in areas with certain demographics.  My boy is
> doing ICU duty in San Jose now, where the cases were a lot higher than
> in towns with higher socioeconomic numbers.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/23/20 4:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >
> >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >> distancing and masks.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle
> with
> >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
> >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not
> be
> >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
> >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> >>>
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> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> >> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The cases I think are in areas with certain demographics.  My boy is 
doing ICU duty in San Jose now, where the cases were a lot higher than 
in towns with higher socioeconomic numbers.


--FT

On 7/23/20 4:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :


Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
things that normally would it be spread like this.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This could be 
due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or 
maybe the masks are creating a false sense of security?

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
> too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Then there is the increase in cases in CA where masks were mandated a month 
ago. 

https://www.libertybell.com/one-month-after-their-mask-mandate-guess-what-californias-daily-covid-case-average-is/

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
> complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask 
> reduces the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is 
> more likely to stick with you than to float around free.
> 
> Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea 
> is to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being 
> overloaded. I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to 
> get it, its just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some 
> hospital capacity available so that if I'm one of the people that needs 
> hospitalization I can get in. For that to be true we need to not do what 
> Florida is doing...
> 
> Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
> has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
> hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before 
> we get everybody infected and can get on with life.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say 
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then 
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, 
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are 
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody 
> please post that study. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> > strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> > people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> > as strong immune systems.
> > 
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> > whole world of germs.
> > 
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> > compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> > your germs on your face and away from me.
> > 
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is 
> > wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing 
> > pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going 
> > to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The 
> > pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> > though. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off 
> > > regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. 
> > > You're still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any 
> > > practical way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > > 
> > >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> > > Mercedes  wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then 
> > >> the deaths go up from that. 
> > >> 
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> > >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet 
> > >> the amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> 
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> >   wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>> 
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas 
> >  where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to 
> >  spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
> >  with
> >  and touch the 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Right. They still don’t know how it is transmitted. Figure that out, then there 
might be an argument for masks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, July 23, 2020 4:29 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
>> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
>> then came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that
>> out. Next, what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?
> 
> 1. Social distancing effect. Your exhalations have less range when you
> cover your face, so 4' away from a mask wearer should be better than 4'
> away unmasked, especially if he's talking.
> 
> 2. Cyclone fence vs mosquito effect. If it's just the virus, any mask that
> lets you smell your farts lets the virus through. OTOH, if it's water
> droplets, if your mask gets wet, it's catching something.
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> distancing and masks.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

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 Man, has a more phallic car ever been made?
Serious temptation though, an e-type wouldn't stay at that price...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:35:53 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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 Yeah, it's a 4.2 2+2 with a slushbox and needs TLC, but four digits??
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Re: [MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

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Yes! In a worst-case scenario, you will spend thousands and totally regret
this decision. But you will own a jaguar.

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> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-jaguar-xke-22-18/
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask reduces 
the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is more likely 
to stick with you than to float around free.
Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea is 
to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being overloaded. 
I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to get it, its 
just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some hospital capacity 
available so that if I'm one of the people that needs hospitalization I can get 
in. For that to be true we need to not do what Florida is doing...
Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before we 
get everybody infected and can get on with life.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say they 
think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then came out 
that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, what size is 
the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are things we have 
not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody please post that 
study. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> as strong immune systems.
> 
> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> whole world of germs.
> 
> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> 
> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
> pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
> get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
> you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
> the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
> > to not...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> >Mercedes  wrote:  
> > 
> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> >> deaths go up from that. 
> >> 
> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
> >> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>> 
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
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On Thu, July 23, 2020 4:29 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
> then came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that
> out. Next, what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?

1. Social distancing effect. Your exhalations have less range when you
cover your face, so 4' away from a mask wearer should be better than 4'
away unmasked, especially if he's talking.

2. Cyclone fence vs mosquito effect. If it's just the virus, any mask that
lets you smell your farts lets the virus through. OTOH, if it's water
droplets, if your mask gets wet, it's catching something.

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[MBZ] I can afford XKE? $7100?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say they 
think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then came out 
that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, what size is 
the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are things we have 
not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody please post that 
study. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> as strong immune systems.
> 
> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> whole world of germs.
> 
> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> 
> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
> pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
> get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
> you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
> the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
> > to not...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> > Mercedes  wrote:  
> > 
> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> >> deaths go up from that. 
> >> 
> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
> >> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>> 
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
>  
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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Thu, July 23, 2020 3:52 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.

I'm not sure they had a turbo W201 in Europe.

There were over 1000 of them in USA, and I think about ten of them got
converted to stick. Might be interesting to search BenzWorld and see if
anybody ever wrote about converting a silver/tan one. Mine is silver/red,
which I think is a lot more common.

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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I noticed the stick, was interesting.  Could it be a euro model?  I 
don't know that much about 124 diesels


--FT

On 7/23/20 3:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Those don't look like 1987 headlights to me, but it's got 1987 turbo gills
on the right fender. Underhood pics show a turbo and interior pics show a
stick shift. Somebody built that.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:48 am, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

1986+87 Mercedes Benz 2.5L turbodiesel


https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-mercedes-benz-25l-turb
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Re: [MBZ] EYE BLEACH REQUIRED!!! 1991 MERCEDES BENZ 350 SDL TURBO! CLASSIC RIDE W/AC! $3995!!!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Stealth paint might not be totally unique, but I've never seen red wheels
or red wood trim on a W126 before.


> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/orange-park-1991-mercedes-benz-
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Re: [MBZ] These cars have been known to make it to a million miles but unfortunately I have to let it go because of Covid

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Those don't look like 1987 headlights to me, but it's got 1987 turbo gills
on the right fender. Underhood pics show a turbo and interior pics show a
stick shift. Somebody built that.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:48 am, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>

> 1986+87 Mercedes Benz 2.5L turbodiesel
>
>
> https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-mercedes-benz-25l-turb
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

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Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, strong 
people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the people who are 
excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build as strong immune 
systems.

If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a whole 
world of germs.
And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
your germs on your face and away from me.
The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.

-Curt

   On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
> not...
> -Curt
> 
>    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> 
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>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
> not...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> 
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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
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>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular colds 
"within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
not...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> deaths go up from that. 
> 
> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
> in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of 
> trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What is Rich's share of the $520MM?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I hope he's squealing like a stuck pig although with McCoy now as the US 
Atty I don't hold out big hopes


--FT

On 7/23/20 2:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Glad to see they finally got one!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 2:13:15 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :


https://www.postandcourier.com/business/former-scana-executive-pleads-guilty-to-fraud-charges-tied-to-failed-sc-nuclear-project/article_26e23ca8-c50b-11ea-8377-e7b39854212b.html?fbclid=IwAR3uvI3YnBT65fnVYoUpkuR6KG97Wm5skDDA_wTkZ-sk8pqzfk0t7pzoUA8

On 7/23/20 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

UTILITIES
$520M settlement approved in Santee Cooper lawsuit

Published: Wednesday, July 22, 2020

A South Carolina state judge on Monday approved a $520 million settlement
in a customer class-action lawsuit against state-owned utility Santee
Cooper over increased rates for a failed nuclear construction project.

Judge Jean Toal signed off on the deal, which will provide refunds for
nearly all of the utility's 1.7 million customers. After about 90 days,
customers will receive some kind of cash payment. Customers with refunds of
less than $25 will receive a credit on their bill.

Plaintiffs' lawyers will get 15%, or $77 million to $78 million, of the
settlement. Lawyers said the percentage is relatively low in this kind of
lawsuit, *The State* newspaper reported

.

The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017. The
project to build two nuclear-powered electric generators in Jenkinsville,
about 25 miles (40 kilometers) northwest of Columbia, was shut down before
any power was generated because of the rising costs, as Santee Cooper
increased rates five times to fund construction.

Monday's finalized deal also requires Santee Cooper to freeze electric
rates for four years, which lawyers said could be worth up to $510 million,
according

to *The Post and Courier*.

State lawmakers are still deciding whether to sell the utility or re-form
it. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What is Rich's share of the $520MM?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Glad to see they finally got one!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 2:13:15 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> https://www.postandcourier.com/business/former-scana-executive-pleads-guilty-to-fraud-charges-tied-to-failed-sc-nuclear-project/article_26e23ca8-c50b-11ea-8377-e7b39854212b.html?fbclid=IwAR3uvI3YnBT65fnVYoUpkuR6KG97Wm5skDDA_wTkZ-sk8pqzfk0t7pzoUA8
> 
> On 7/23/20 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> UTILITIES
>> $520M settlement approved in Santee Cooper lawsuit
>> 
>> Published: Wednesday, July 22, 2020
>> 
>> A South Carolina state judge on Monday approved a $520 million settlement
>> in a customer class-action lawsuit against state-owned utility Santee
>> Cooper over increased rates for a failed nuclear construction project.
>> 
>> Judge Jean Toal signed off on the deal, which will provide refunds for
>> nearly all of the utility's 1.7 million customers. After about 90 days,
>> customers will receive some kind of cash payment. Customers with refunds of
>> less than $25 will receive a credit on their bill.
>> 
>> Plaintiffs' lawyers will get 15%, or $77 million to $78 million, of the
>> settlement. Lawyers said the percentage is relatively low in this kind of
>> lawsuit, *The State* newspaper reported
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
>> its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017. The
>> project to build two nuclear-powered electric generators in Jenkinsville,
>> about 25 miles (40 kilometers) northwest of Columbia, was shut down before
>> any power was generated because of the rising costs, as Santee Cooper
>> increased rates five times to fund construction.
>> 
>> Monday's finalized deal also requires Santee Cooper to freeze electric
>> rates for four years, which lawyers said could be worth up to $510 million,
>> according
>> 
>> to *The Post and Courier*.
>> 
>> State lawmakers are still deciding whether to sell the utility or re-form
>> it. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study: Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah we recently drove to South Dakota and back and by the end of 2800
miles of driving and camping in 116 degree weather we had a pretty good
drill for how to get through a gas station, tank up, get snacks, use
toilets and fuel pumps without getting or hopefully giving anyone covid 19.
More of a process than I had thought about.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 10:04 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The whole issue of masks, wearing them, or not wearing them, falls IMHO in
> the same category as carring a condom in your wallet all the way through
> highschool... The chances of actually putting it to use were slim to
> impossible, but, for 4 years, you carried one anyway.. just in case.
>
> I wear a mask, "just in case it might give me some edge of protection. I
> also wear wrap around clear safety glasses as eye protection, since a known
> infection vector is the eye tissue, and, where I am to be in possible
> contact with anything touched by the unwashed public, 7 mil thick Nitrile
> gloves [the tough and thick kind for mechanical work so they hold up.
>
> When I return home, I dispose of the gloves, wash my hands and face, rinse
> the nasal passages and use mouthwash... then do a wipedown of the door
> knobs, the vehicle [any place I came in contact with it after possible
> exposure, ie, steering wheel, shift lever, turn lever, door controls,, etc
> etc etc... using cleaning wipes.
>
> So far, no corona symptoms... is it a pain to do all that, sure... but
> then, it was a pain to suit up and arm up in the military... I did it
> anyway... glad I did..
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > A little perspective from some experts on mechanisms of spread:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/Cio3rh6ta3w
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:53 PM Karl Wittnebel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes as previously mentioned, the evidence is not super high quality.
> But
> > > neither is the evidence suggesting they do not work. Unfortunately we
> are
> > > not given the luxury of debating the point in the absence of an
> epidemic.
> > > So decisions need to be made without perfect information.
> > >
> > > We can all speculate on why certain countries did better than others;
> > > clearly there were large differences in how quickly the first cases
> were
> > > introduced and how many introductions there were before the disease was
> > > detected in each place, as we have seen within our borders from region
> to
> > > region.
> > >
> > > Medication wise, so far steroids and remdesivir, among people requiring
> > > oxygen or ventilators, are the only therapies with good supportive data
> > > behind them. We are using both routinely. We lack proven effective
> > > treatments for less symptomatic people to prevent them from becoming
> ill.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks Karl, I took a quick look at the first three on your list.  The
> > >> first discusses the fluid flow of droplets from coughing and sneezing,
> > and
> > >> yes that is pretty much common sense that if one is coughing /
> sneezing
> > >> then wearing a mask is a good thing.  No argument there.  Even better,
> > do
> > >> what has always been recommended
> > >> by medical professionals: Stay home when you are sick!
> > >>
> > >> The second paper relies on a lot of assumptions and estimates and
> (here
> > we
> > >> go again) models to reach their conclusions.  We all know how
> dishonest
> > >> researchers can manipulate the models (see global warming) to get the
> > >> results we want.  No thanks.
> > >>
> > >> The third paper is not yet peer reviewed but strongly recommends that
> > >> countries that had their populations wear masks saw a large decrease
> in
> > >> the
> > >> infection rate.  However some countries that did not impose mask
> wearing
> > >> also did not suffer high infection rates.  Hmmm, that is a curious bit
> > of
> > >> data, what could be going on there?  My guess: this paper does not
> > account
> > >> for differences in medical treatment regimens (use of HCQ and
> Budesonide
> > >> and other treatments).  I like this paper, but I think they need to
> > re-run
> > >> their models and take into account the factor of medical treatment.
> > This
> > >> one has promise for actually producing good science to support mask
> > >> wearing
> > >> (to be determined yet), and I like that they also take into account
> > border
> > >> closings (86% decrease in mortality rate when international travel was
> > >> restricted) and testing / tracing (did not significantly reduce
> > mortality
> > >> rate).  Obesity and an older population are also major factors in an
> > >> increased mortality rate.
> > >>
> > >> So, are masks effective?  I think they are, they certainly can reduce
> > the
> > >> infection rate.  How effective, and how much liberty do we give away
> in
> > >> the
> > >> interest of reducing the risk of 

Re: [MBZ] OT: What is Rich's share of the $520MM?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/former-scana-executive-pleads-guilty-to-fraud-charges-tied-to-failed-sc-nuclear-project/article_26e23ca8-c50b-11ea-8377-e7b39854212b.html?fbclid=IwAR3uvI3YnBT65fnVYoUpkuR6KG97Wm5skDDA_wTkZ-sk8pqzfk0t7pzoUA8

On 7/23/20 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

UTILITIES
$520M settlement approved in Santee Cooper lawsuit

Published: Wednesday, July 22, 2020

A South Carolina state judge on Monday approved a $520 million settlement
in a customer class-action lawsuit against state-owned utility Santee
Cooper over increased rates for a failed nuclear construction project.

Judge Jean Toal signed off on the deal, which will provide refunds for
nearly all of the utility's 1.7 million customers. After about 90 days,
customers will receive some kind of cash payment. Customers with refunds of
less than $25 will receive a credit on their bill.

Plaintiffs' lawyers will get 15%, or $77 million to $78 million, of the
settlement. Lawyers said the percentage is relatively low in this kind of
lawsuit, *The State* newspaper reported

.

The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017. The
project to build two nuclear-powered electric generators in Jenkinsville,
about 25 miles (40 kilometers) northwest of Columbia, was shut down before
any power was generated because of the rising costs, as Santee Cooper
increased rates five times to fund construction.

Monday's finalized deal also requires Santee Cooper to freeze electric
rates for four years, which lawyers said could be worth up to $510 million,
according

to *The Post and Courier*.

State lawmakers are still deciding whether to sell the utility or re-form
it. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Huh?

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> 
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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Room for a Merc V12 or 2?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Nope put it on a special trailer that you pull behind your Mercedes
special race car haul truck...
Make a 60 ft "king of the road statement"... .then.. while the crowd
gathers... fire up the uncorked pair of V12 Mercedes engines and "rev it up
for the crowd"...

Hey... it's all for show anyway.. right?  How many of the coffee and car
poseurs will actually go to salt flats to watch a run ???



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> I'm guessing the turning radius is about 1/4 mile...  Might need to keep
> that wheeled dolly on the front...
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/23/20 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Just what you need to motor up to the local cars and coffee...
> > "Go big or go home" you know... ;))
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:16 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>A coupla 65s to make a V24?  That ought to take care of that 400mph
> >> record
> >>
> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/400mph-bonneville-streamliner/
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

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Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> deaths go up from that. 
> 
> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
> in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of 
> trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the deaths 
go up from that. 

All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of trash 
and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> distancing and masks.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>> 
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>
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[MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where it is 
mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread faster. 
People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with and touch 
the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask then put it on 
their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be spreading red death 
but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other things that normally would it 
be spread like this.  

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Re: [MBZ] Dryer knob and shaft stripped

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I performed the repair as you described yesterday. I let the epoxy cure for 24 
hours and checked it today and it seems to work fine. Will see how long it 
lasts considering the abusive habits of tenants! Thank you very much!

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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's what I did - the metal sits in the slot and turns it. I didn't see a
> reason to fasten it, but I also don't see any reason not to. Remember, I'm
> not an engineer, I only play like one ...
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:41 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Right but OK Don said to put the metal piece in the shaft slot and cover
>> shaft and metal with grease. If I do that then the metal piece will not be
>> adhered to either the shaft or the knob. Is that the idea?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, don't epoxy metal to shaft.  Only epoxy metal to knob.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Jul 21, 2020 8:59:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
>>> 
 So would you epoxy the metal into the slot on the shaft first, then
>> coat it with grease and then affix the epoxy filled and slotted knob?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I just had to do a similar repair on the wife's coffee grinder. I'd
>> cut a
> slot in the shaft, insert a small piece of metal that's wider than the
> shaft creating wings that you can grab with the knob. Coat the shaft
>> and
> wings with oil, grease, or mold release. Cut slots for the wings in the
> knob, fill it up with a good amount of Permatex Plastic Epoxy, and set
>> it
> in place. It will likely last longer than the rest of the dryer.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:26 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> yeah just glue it up and if it ever breaks again cut it off and buy a
>> new one.  A used dryer would probably be cheaper than the part,
>> unfortunately, or maybe a used appliance shop would have one for a few
>> dineros
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 7/21/20 3:07 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have a GE dryer with a plastic knob where the housing that slides
>> over
>> the timer shaft has cracked. As a result, it wore down the d shaped
>> plastic
>> shaft and now the knob slips on the shaft. Only way to turn it is with
>> pliers but then you can’t know where in the cycle you are and this is
>> a
>> rental property so my tenants probably won’t go for this. The parts
>> alone
>> plus shipping will cost close to $100. Is there any way around this?
>> Epoxy?
>>> 
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> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study: Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The whole issue of masks, wearing them, or not wearing them, falls IMHO in
the same category as carring a condom in your wallet all the way through
highschool... The chances of actually putting it to use were slim to
impossible, but, for 4 years, you carried one anyway.. just in case.

I wear a mask, "just in case it might give me some edge of protection. I
also wear wrap around clear safety glasses as eye protection, since a known
infection vector is the eye tissue, and, where I am to be in possible
contact with anything touched by the unwashed public, 7 mil thick Nitrile
gloves [the tough and thick kind for mechanical work so they hold up.

When I return home, I dispose of the gloves, wash my hands and face, rinse
the nasal passages and use mouthwash... then do a wipedown of the door
knobs, the vehicle [any place I came in contact with it after possible
exposure, ie, steering wheel, shift lever, turn lever, door controls,, etc
etc etc... using cleaning wipes.

So far, no corona symptoms... is it a pain to do all that, sure... but
then, it was a pain to suit up and arm up in the military... I did it
anyway... glad I did..

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> A little perspective from some experts on mechanisms of spread:
>
> https://youtu.be/Cio3rh6ta3w
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:53 PM Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes as previously mentioned, the evidence is not super high quality. But
> > neither is the evidence suggesting they do not work. Unfortunately we are
> > not given the luxury of debating the point in the absence of an epidemic.
> > So decisions need to be made without perfect information.
> >
> > We can all speculate on why certain countries did better than others;
> > clearly there were large differences in how quickly the first cases were
> > introduced and how many introductions there were before the disease was
> > detected in each place, as we have seen within our borders from region to
> > region.
> >
> > Medication wise, so far steroids and remdesivir, among people requiring
> > oxygen or ventilators, are the only therapies with good supportive data
> > behind them. We are using both routinely. We lack proven effective
> > treatments for less symptomatic people to prevent them from becoming ill.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Karl, I took a quick look at the first three on your list.  The
> >> first discusses the fluid flow of droplets from coughing and sneezing,
> and
> >> yes that is pretty much common sense that if one is coughing / sneezing
> >> then wearing a mask is a good thing.  No argument there.  Even better,
> do
> >> what has always been recommended
> >> by medical professionals: Stay home when you are sick!
> >>
> >> The second paper relies on a lot of assumptions and estimates and (here
> we
> >> go again) models to reach their conclusions.  We all know how dishonest
> >> researchers can manipulate the models (see global warming) to get the
> >> results we want.  No thanks.
> >>
> >> The third paper is not yet peer reviewed but strongly recommends that
> >> countries that had their populations wear masks saw a large decrease in
> >> the
> >> infection rate.  However some countries that did not impose mask wearing
> >> also did not suffer high infection rates.  Hmmm, that is a curious bit
> of
> >> data, what could be going on there?  My guess: this paper does not
> account
> >> for differences in medical treatment regimens (use of HCQ and Budesonide
> >> and other treatments).  I like this paper, but I think they need to
> re-run
> >> their models and take into account the factor of medical treatment.
> This
> >> one has promise for actually producing good science to support mask
> >> wearing
> >> (to be determined yet), and I like that they also take into account
> border
> >> closings (86% decrease in mortality rate when international travel was
> >> restricted) and testing / tracing (did not significantly reduce
> mortality
> >> rate).  Obesity and an older population are also major factors in an
> >> increased mortality rate.
> >>
> >> So, are masks effective?  I think they are, they certainly can reduce
> the
> >> infection rate.  How effective, and how much liberty do we give away in
> >> the
> >> interest of reducing the risk of living?  I'd much rather that our
> elected
> >> representatives focus on providing the public with reliable information
> on
> >> individual actions that will reduce the infection rate, promoting good
> >> hygiene practices, and making possible the medical treatments that are
> >> safe
> >> and effective.  The use of bad models and the confusing and
> contradictory
> >> advice from "experts" has severely damaged the public's faith in
> >> government.  Personally, if I become ill with this disease, I'll ask my
> >> doctor about HCQ and Budesonide as treatment options.  Until then, life
> is
> 

Re: [MBZ] WOW!!! 1968 Mercedes-Benz 250SL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Would you paint it brown?

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>
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Re: [MBZ] WOW!!! 1968 Mercedes-Benz 250SL

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

An automatic pagoda. How pointless!

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Re: [MBZ] Room for a Merc V12 or 2?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm guessing the turning radius is about 1/4 mile...  Might need to keep 
that wheeled dolly on the front...


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On 7/23/20 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just what you need to motor up to the local cars and coffee...
"Go big or go home" you know... ;))

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   A coupla 65s to make a V24?  That ought to take care of that 400mph
record

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/400mph-bonneville-streamliner/

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Re: [MBZ] E430

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah and a decent price if the AC BLOWS ICE COLD.  Could probably knock 
a coupla $100 off, maybe get it for 18


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On 7/23/20 12:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Looks nice.

Bob R

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