Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I take exception to that argument!

--JC


On 7/22/16 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Very few people are not
normal.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Good judgment comes from experience

Experience comes from bad judgment

--JC


On 7/21/16 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Lawyer up, get the tenants out, dust yourself off and chalk this up to 
experience, have your lawyer sort...


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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to jump on this

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Max needs to get that for his wife

--JC


On 7/21/16 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/152170155582 

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

He has his wife who is an expert in real estate matters.

--JC


On 7/21/16 11:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their 
lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are 
waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure 
who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just 
appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  
he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  
I guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of 
our league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell 
no telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we 
can't do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be 
reached so then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be 
serviced, wait for yet another court date and so on, then no telling 
what surprise their lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now 
going to have to pay money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that 
we will probably continue to get railroaded.




Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I can send you a black panther (I called it "Huey") that would probably 
take care of various critters in the neighborhood.


--JC


On 7/21/16 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Saw a very healthy looking red fox in the back yard a month ago.  His/her
tail was as long as the body and very bushy.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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I was going to joke about you not having any nearby wild areas but then I
remembered driving through Rock Creek Park and seeing deer...
-Curt

   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

Too cute to slaughter.  If I am lucky enough to trap this animal I would
release him/her into a nearby wild area, where he/she would probably become
dinner for a red fox or coyote.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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Blueberries are irresistible to the rabbits down here...

Please let us know if the bunnies diet has pre-flavored the meat...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


A large glass of water?  A bowl of queso, maybe a few chips to go with

it?

Dan


On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <

astrasfo...@gmail.com

wrote:

I need an effective Havahart trap bait for a fast growing bunny that

takes great delight in eating jalapeno pepper plant leaves.


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Re: [MBZ] Wildlife Camera

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

dillas, possum on a half shell!  They will tear up a yard in no time 
flat.  Get a trap then carry it far away.  Or a device that quietly 
propels a piece of metal at a rather high speed.


--JC


On 7/20/16 7:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Someone here gave me an old wildlife camera a while back to help me identify 
and potentially combat the varmint that is turning my backyard into a crater 
filled landscape.

I just wanted to report that I finally got around to setting it up, and have 
caught images of a number of raccoons and one armadillo, who I am sure is the 
culprit.  Since there is really no way to deal with armadillos short of 
deceasing them using firearms, which isn’t an option since I’m in an area where 
discharging a firearm violates County ordinances, I’ll just have to deal with 
it, I guess.

I had given some consideration to putting in an electric fence line around the 
back yard at ground level, but the spouse isn’t keen about this.  I’m not sure 
why since she never sets foot in the back yard, but…

Oh well.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Depends on with whom a "white" is interacting, and where the interaction 
occurs, and a variety of other factors.


You are stereotyping.

--JC (who can't jump)


On 7/20/16 5:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Obviously because white isn't a persecuted religion or minority group.

On Jul 20, 2016 5:19 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Ugh its that kind of PC sentiment that I hate.
Stereotypes come from somewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes.
I don't understand why its okay to make comments about how white guys got
no rhythm and can't dance and not okay to point out other stereotypes. If
we can't laugh at ourselves and each other all we can do is cry.
-Curt

   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>




On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s

not

Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <

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wrote:


Lawyers have the 4D Rule:

Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..

You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."

One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX

dollars

for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
silently and listen carefully..


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.



On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <

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Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all

the

time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all

really

started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest

with

the

renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but

their

lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting

it

ride

and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except

as

it

turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So

mediation

was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever

because

he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he

was

filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest

turned

into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I

have a

bad feeling.

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Re: [MBZ] Fenders

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Exactly, I figure if you can negotiate a price, especially a larger 
price, down a bit, in a minute or two, your "wage" on that could work 
out to several $100s/hr.  Or, you end up no worse off than you were.   
No downside, total upside.


--JC


On 7/20/16 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

You must live by the rule, “Everything is negotiable”.

Nearly every retailer has or will negotiate, except for maybe Dead Sam.  It 
might not be for money, but maybe for something like free delivery, or a gift 
card.

I went to buy a new TV a few years back.  It’s the week before Thanksgiving, 
it’s a national retailer (H.H. Gregg) and they have a 60” plasma TV I want.  
Now I know they’re selling it at rock bottom so I won’t get concessions on the 
price.  However, I don’t want to pay them $75 to deliver it because that’s a 
rip.

Easy-peasy.

Go in, make nice with the sales guy, have him start writing it up, then mention 
how I’m going to transport it in the back of my car laying down (a BIG no-no on 
larger TVs, especially plasma.)  He starts freaking out.  “You can’t transport 
these laying down! The glass will crack for sure!”

“Oh, gee, I didn’t know that.  I don’t know anyone with a minivan or pickup truck, 
and I don’t have money in the budget for $75 worth of delivery charges.  Guess we’ll 
have to call it off and I’ll just have to shop around for something cheaper 
somewhere else."

Salesman glances around to see if anyone is within earshot.

(whispering) “If you can wait and take delivery on Saturday (this is Monday) I 
can slip it on a truck that will be in your area and delivery it for free.”

“Deal”.

Everything, I mean everything, is negotiable.  You just have to ask.  What’s 
the worst thing that can happen?  They say no.  But when they do, the door is 
open for them to suggest some other concession.

Dan graduate of Karrass “Negotiate to Close” seminar




On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Curt will know a place called Building 19 out that way.  They deal (I suppose 
they are still around) in insurance salvage/bankruptcy goods, etc. so every 
week there is another load of stuff that shows up to their warehouses.  Cheap 
and often some good bargains.  Back when we lived up that way they would sell 
rugs in various sizes, sometimes really nice oriental rugs that would retail 
for several $k, they would be selling them for like 20%-30% but you would have 
to look at (and smell) them carefully as they might have been in a flood or 
fire with sprinklers or something, but usually they were in good shape.

I had this friend who could talk an eskimo out of his coat, who would go there 
and find something he wanted, it could be a $5 item or a $3k rug, chat up one 
of the guys there about it in a friendly way, asking questions, talking about 
the weather, whatever.  Then he would get around to the kill, and start working 
him on the price.  It was a wonder to behold.  He would walk out of there with 
another 20-30% off the price, whatever it was.  Then once he agreed on the 
price he would start in, you know it would be nice to have one of those tables 
over there to set this lamp on... how about you throw that in with it?  Or, you 
know, that chair over there kinda matches the rug, let's put that in the deal 
and I'll have the whole package...  Never failed, he was a total master. But 
the thing was, beating down a salvage warehouse place that was already pretty 
rockbottom on stuff was just almost wrong to any reasonable person...

One Christmas I decided to give it a try.  I go to Filenes Basement, which sold 
all of Filenes (a fairly high-end department store) random stuff that was out 
of season, or returns, or whatever.  Usually same deal, sometimes 20-30% of 
retail price for nice stuff.  But they also had the deal where the items were 
tagged, and every week the price would drop another 20% or whatever until it 
was sold.  I bought my wife a bunch of nice clothes, the bill comes to 
whatever, so I ask the checkout person what she can do for me on the whole 
deal, you know I'm here buying it now, it will drop another 20% next week...  
She kinda looks at me and says, well I could take another 10% off so we get 
into the dickering, she calls her manager over, we go at it a bit, me using my 
buddy's techniques, and I end up with another 30% off the whole deal.  It was 
amazing!

--JC




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Re: [MBZ] Fenders

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Curt will know a place called Building 19 out that way.  They deal (I 
suppose they are still around) in insurance salvage/bankruptcy goods, 
etc. so every week there is another load of stuff that shows up to their 
warehouses.  Cheap and often some good bargains.  Back when we lived up 
that way they would sell rugs in various sizes, sometimes really nice 
oriental rugs that would retail for several $k, they would be selling 
them for like 20%-30% but you would have to look at (and smell) them 
carefully as they might have been in a flood or fire with sprinklers or 
something, but usually they were in good shape.


I had this friend who could talk an eskimo out of his coat, who would go 
there and find something he wanted, it could be a $5 item or a $3k rug, 
chat up one of the guys there about it in a friendly way, asking 
questions, talking about the weather, whatever.  Then he would get 
around to the kill, and start working him on the price.  It was a wonder 
to behold.  He would walk out of there with another 20-30% off the 
price, whatever it was.  Then once he agreed on the price he would start 
in, you know it would be nice to have one of those tables over there to 
set this lamp on... how about you throw that in with it?  Or, you know, 
that chair over there kinda matches the rug, let's put that in the deal 
and I'll have the whole package...  Never failed, he was a total master. 
But the thing was, beating down a salvage warehouse place that was 
already pretty rockbottom on stuff was just almost wrong to any 
reasonable person...


One Christmas I decided to give it a try.  I go to Filenes Basement, 
which sold all of Filenes (a fairly high-end department store) random 
stuff that was out of season, or returns, or whatever.  Usually same 
deal, sometimes 20-30% of retail price for nice stuff.  But they also 
had the deal where the items were tagged, and every week the price would 
drop another 20% or whatever until it was sold.  I bought my wife a 
bunch of nice clothes, the bill comes to whatever, so I ask the checkout 
person what she can do for me on the whole deal, you know I'm here 
buying it now, it will drop another 20% next week...  She kinda looks at 
me and says, well I could take another 10% off so we get into the 
dickering, she calls her manager over, we go at it a bit, me using my 
buddy's techniques, and I end up with another 30% off the whole deal.  
It was amazing!


--JC


On 7/20/16 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I forgot to tell you guys that Angie bought a new bicycle the other day. I 
spent all Saturday morning going through her old Freespirit and finally getting 
it about perfect and she finds this Cannondale on Craigslist, Synapse 6c listed 
at $500. Its finger lift light, weights maybe 8-10# with wheels and all. Its 
the perfect size for her and only slightly small for me.
On the way there I said "Offer $400" she replies "They said the price is firm", 
yeah right.
I was really proud when she said "So how firm are you?" and the guy said "How about 
$450?" He'd have taken $400 I bet but we both agreed he was real nice and honest about the 
bike and it wasn't worth working him over...
"Adventures in purchasing" I had a buddy who was a purchasing agent, he loved 
the haggle. I've never been much good at it but it appears I'm improving.
-Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fenders

Cash talks


--JC


On 7/20/16 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Its not MB content but I've got a little car news...
I don't know what made me think of it but last night I checked car-part.com for 
fenders for our Golf. Both are buckled out slightly over the wheel from a slow 
impact just in front of each front door. The doors aren't bent and the car is 
straight, just ugly fenders is all.
Junkyard up the road has an '05 Golf with A0 (ie perfect) fenders, $70 each. I 
headed up there today and inquired. They are indeed perfect and still on the 
car. I asked if I could get a special price if I bought both and he said $100. 
A deal like that doesn't come along every day, the next best price I saw was 
$100 each!
So they're gonna pull them today, I'll pick up tomorrow. Meanwhile I need to 
get a can of color match paint. I'll hit 'em with 320 grit in the orbital, then 
a coat of primer, then a couple coats of paint and we should be good to go.
If I can get them painted by Monday they'll have next week to cure while I'm in 
CA.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk 
to.  Works fast and cheap.


--JC


On 7/20/16 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
So today is court day for eviction of our renters at old okie acres.  
They have turned out to be a pain in the rear. From the beginning they 
have been habitual late payers which just gets worse and worse every 
month.  They have moved their mother in which they did not have 
permission to do, per the lease they have to get written permission, 
which they did not.  They were then told she could stay but they 
needed to add her to the contract. So, they refused to add the mother 
to the lease as also the renters girlfriend was supposed to be added 
to the lease (they are gay) and they refused that as well. I can only 
figure the reason would be so that if they get evicted they can rent 
something else and the eviction will not show up on the other lesbians 
record. Anyway, so we gave them a 30 day notice of eviction last 
month, letting them know they had till such and such date to be out or 
eviction would be filed.  This is actually not required here. They are 
being evicted on the grounds of being in breach of the contract by 
habitually paying late, and having people live there without 
permission.  All is very very well documented by SWMBO. Anyway, they 
said they were not moving and would just go to court. One of my 
lawyers who happens to also be my cousin who handles real estate law 
thought they were crazy, they should have taken the opportunity to 
move before they now have a case filed against them.  Anyway, court is 
starting right now and the wife is there handling it (she is a 
licensed realtor and in fact just did a very long continuing education 
course on this exact topic).  These dumb stupid renters who never have 
the money to pay their rent on time has hired an attorney to represent 
them today.  WOW.  I have never heard of anybody getting evicted 
hiring a lawyer.  Oh well.  I told my wife that if we do not win the 
eviction today (which I highly doubt will not happen), I will be 
listing the house for sale tomorrow and they can deal with realtors in 
and out of the house all the time showing it.



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Re: [MBZ] Fenders

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Cash talks

--JC


On 7/20/16 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Its not MB content but I've got a little car news...
I don't know what made me think of it but last night I checked car-part.com for 
fenders for our Golf. Both are buckled out slightly over the wheel from a slow 
impact just in front of each front door. The doors aren't bent and the car is 
straight, just ugly fenders is all.
Junkyard up the road has an '05 Golf with A0 (ie perfect) fenders, $70 each. I 
headed up there today and inquired. They are indeed perfect and still on the 
car. I asked if I could get a special price if I bought both and he said $100. 
A deal like that doesn't come along every day, the next best price I saw was 
$100 each!
So they're gonna pull them today, I'll pick up tomorrow. Meanwhile I need to 
get a can of color match paint. I'll hit 'em with 320 grit in the orbital, then 
a coat of primer, then a couple coats of paint and we should be good to go.
If I can get them painted by Monday they'll have next week to cure while I'm in 
CA.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Going to a musical

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Beans Beans the musical fruit?

--JC


On 7/19/16 7:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I am attending a musical tonight 42nd street. I am now realizing I should not 
have ate lunch at the Mexican place today. I could explode.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Question from Glenn Brown

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

No shots fired, just a curiousity.  He could get a new addy like 
buggeredbenzmailtoo


--JC


On 7/19/16 3:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I think he had issues with his ISP and the Okieserver.

I don’t know, I only did this as a favor to him.  Don’t shoot the messenger, 
folks.

Dan



On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Can't he post to the list or did he excuse himself?

--JC



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Re: [MBZ] Question from Glenn Brown

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Can't he post to the list or did he excuse himself?

--JC

On 7/19/16 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Glenn Brown, what a tool.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 19, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Glenn sent this to me asking if anyone could offer advice.  Please email him directly 
at: g_010...@hotmail.com 

I'll be looking for an E-class ('10-'14), preferably not the fancier Sport models 
and the only negative information I have thus far is to avoid '06 & '07 years.  
I'm wondering if there's any useful information which you and/or other list members 
might be able to provide in terms of what to look for and what to avoid?  Thanx.
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Re: [MBZ] Cool

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I noticed in the comments that there seems to be a back story about back 
stabbing.  Interesting.


I wonder what will become of all these old planes and such when the 
geezers pass and none of the dotcommie kids with money have any interest 
in anything like that.


--JC


On 7/19/16 12:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for sharing Dan, that is a great video to watch.  I hope they begin
training / certifying a new flight crew soon, would be awesome to see both
Fifi and Doc in a fly-by.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Future Hard Disk

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I thought DNA was the Next Big Thing in data storage.

--R


On 7/19/16 4:57 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:


World's smallest hard disk stores data atom by atom

DELFT, Netherlands, July 18 (UPI) -- Researchers in the Netherlands have 
unveiled the world's smallest hard disk.

The disk uses chlorine atoms to represent each bit of information, the most 
efficient data storage method yet devised. The hard disk stores 1 kilobyte of 
data, or 8,000 bits, and features a storage density of 500 Terabits per square 
inch -- 500 times better than the most efficient hard desk on the market.

"In theory, this storage density would allow all books ever created by humans to be 
written on a single post stamp," lead researcher Sander Otte, a scientist with the 
Kavli Institute of Nanoscience at Delft University, said in a news release.

Researchers used a scanning tunneling microscope to manipulate atoms to 
represent binary code, the language used to encode data in computers.

"Every bit consists of two positions on a surface of copper atoms, and one chlorine atom that 
we can slide back and forth between these two positions," Otte explained. "If the 
chlorine atom is in the top position, there is a hole beneath it -- we call this a 1. If the hole 
is in the top position and the chlorine atom is therefore on the bottom, then the bit is a 0."

Using the scanning tunneling microscope, scientists can drag holes around on a 
copper surface to encode all kinds of information. Researchers liken the hard 
disk to a sliding puzzle, where each piece is either an atom or a hole.

Because each chlorine in atom is surrounded by other chlorine atoms, they 
remain stable and stationary. Previous attempts to encode data on the atomic 
scale have relied on loose, unanchored atoms.

The data on the hard disk is organized into blocks of 8 bytes, or 64 bits. Each 
block has a marker made of holes that works like a bar code, revealing the 
location of of the block on the copper layer.

The new method promises major improvements in terms of stability and 
scalability, but the technology requires significant improvement before it can 
be used in a working datacenter.


"In its current form the memory can operate only in very clean vacuum conditions and at liquid 
nitrogen temperature, 77 Kelvins, so the actual storage of data on an atomic scale is still some 
way off," Otte said. "But through this achievement we have certainly come a big step 
closer."


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Re: [MBZ] Crack Attack

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Turn it counter-clockwise

--R


On 7/18/16 4:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

How the heck do you loose a shifter nob?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


That's the million mile engine.  I also like the Earl Scheib paint
job.

--JC


On 7/18/16 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

At 321K miles it's just broken (in).

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I don’t know, I think the seller is a bit optimistic:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5688975077.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Crack Attack

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

That's the million mile engine.  I also like the Earl Scheib paint job.

--JC


On 7/18/16 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

At 321K miles it's just broken (in).

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I don’t know, I think the seller is a bit optimistic:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5688975077.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I just got off the phone with a guy who says he can get me a new 
controller board for my LG unit.  He used to sell them but has now gone 
with Samsung because he says their customer service and responsiveness 
is better, but he said they are all decent units.


My local guy would rather put in standard ducted systems, he thinks they 
are more reliable from the leakage standpoint as each indoor unit has 4 
connections, a standard unit has just 4 for ever how many rooms.  The 
mini-splits are easier to put in though, and probably more efficient.


--JC


On 7/18/16 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Thanks - very clear.

The workers just finished mounting 55 285-watt Suniva solar panels on 
the roof so I may wait awhile for the system to get turned on and sort 
itself out before adding an additional layer of complexity.


On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


You mount them on the wall up near the ceiling, they need 9" or so
above for proper circulation (actually, sucking in air that then
gets heated/cooled and blown out the bottom).  They have a metal
bracket you screw into some studs, drill a 2" hole through the
wall to the outside (or in my cases I ran the lines up the inside
of the walls and up and over one ceiling) in the proper place for
the refrigerant lines and drain and the wires that communicate
with the outdoor unit. The unit then just hangs on the bracket,
they actually don't weigh much.  You'll want to pick a good spot
to get the air circulating around the room.  900 ft2 you might
want 2 indoor units at opposite ends of the room or something just
to get good coverage.

Then you run the lines from the outdoor unit up to the lines from
the indoor unit that are sticking out the wall to the outside and
connect those, secure everything to the walls (they have plastic
chases you can buy to cover them if you want).

Mine you can adjust where the output blows, or have it sweep
around and up and down, whatever suits.

I find in the winter it helps to have a ceiling fan going slowly
to keep the warm air circulated.  When cooling you don't want that
so much.

--JC


On 7/18/16 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

How and where are the room cooling units typically mounted?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
wrote:

If you do the install yourself then call an AC guy to pull
down
the vacuum, test for leaks, etc. and release the
refrigerant and
check operation, the cost is little more than buying the
units,
piping, disconnect, and support brackets, drilling a 2" hole
through the wall, running lines, and mounting the indoor
unit. You
will need some power to run it so might have to run a line
from
your box.  If the electrical is not too bad you could get
it put
in one Saturday, then have your guy come Monday to charge it.

If you have to hire that all out, you could be looking at
maybe
$1000-$2000 over the cost of the units, which is crazy but
that's
how those guys make their money.

--JC



On 7/18/16 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This may offer a solution to our hot third floor
office.  We
need to cool
about900 sq. ft.  What is the installation cost?
Operating cost?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond via
Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
wrote:

I found this site:
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/hvac-sizing.html which
has a chart that suggests 1.5 ton (18kBTU) should
be fine
for where we are.
I'd like to limit to one head for a couple
reasons:Simplified
installation reduced costfewer connections so less
chance
for problems down
the road
We've only ever had central AC, there are 4 main
rooms in
the house
(900sqft remember) which all have ceiling fans so
the cold
air moves around
good.
I was thinking:

https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LS180HSV4-LS180HSV4-18000-BTU-20-SEER-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pump/51907.ac

Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

You mount them on the wall up near the ceiling, they need 9" or so above 
for proper circulation (actually, sucking in air that then gets 
heated/cooled and blown out the bottom).  They have a metal bracket you 
screw into some studs, drill a 2" hole through the wall to the outside 
(or in my cases I ran the lines up the inside of the walls and up and 
over one ceiling) in the proper place for the refrigerant lines and 
drain and the wires that communicate with the outdoor unit.  The unit 
then just hangs on the bracket, they actually don't weigh much.  You'll 
want to pick a good spot to get the air circulating around the room.  
900 ft2 you might want 2 indoor units at opposite ends of the room or 
something just to get good coverage.


Then you run the lines from the outdoor unit up to the lines from the 
indoor unit that are sticking out the wall to the outside and connect 
those, secure everything to the walls (they have plastic chases you can 
buy to cover them if you want).


Mine you can adjust where the output blows, or have it sweep around and 
up and down, whatever suits.


I find in the winter it helps to have a ceiling fan going slowly to keep 
the warm air circulated.  When cooling you don't want that so much.


--JC


On 7/18/16 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

How and where are the room cooling units typically mounted?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


If you do the install yourself then call an AC guy to pull down
the vacuum, test for leaks, etc. and release the refrigerant and
check operation, the cost is little more than buying the units,
piping, disconnect, and support brackets, drilling a 2" hole
through the wall, running lines, and mounting the indoor unit. You
will need some power to run it so might have to run a line from
your box.  If the electrical is not too bad you could get it put
in one Saturday, then have your guy come Monday to charge it.

If you have to hire that all out, you could be looking at maybe
$1000-$2000 over the cost of the units, which is crazy but that's
how those guys make their money.

--JC



On 7/18/16 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This may offer a solution to our hot third floor office.  We
need to cool
about900 sq. ft.  What is the installation cost? Operating cost?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I found this site:
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/hvac-sizing.html which
has a chart that suggests 1.5 ton (18kBTU) should be fine
for where we are.
I'd like to limit to one head for a couple reasons:Simplified
installation reduced costfewer connections so less chance
for problems down
the road
We've only ever had central AC, there are 4 main rooms in
the house
(900sqft remember) which all have ceiling fans so the cold
air moves around
good.
I was thinking:

https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LS180HSV4-LS180HSV4-18000-BTU-20-SEER-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pump/51907.ac?catId=cat1028===68443:1.5%20Ton
It'll be awhile anyway, gotta put a roof on the place first.
    -Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
<mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>>
  Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

It would mostly depend on how the house is laid out.  if
it is fairly
open I would do like a 24kBTU unit with 2x12k heads, put
one in the
living area and one in the bedroom.  If you have 2
bedrooms you would
probably want to get 3 head units which might kick the
outdoor unit up
to 27k BTU.  My 4-head unit (which is currently dead, I
think the
control board has fried) is a 36k outdoor unit.

Here is an LG with 3x9k head units, 27k outdoor unit


https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LMU24CHV-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-27000-BTU-21-Seer-Heat-Pump/52414.ac?catId=cat1035===1004:LG

The units throttle output so that is the max they would be
putting out,
27k or 36k would probably be quite sufficient though in
your climate you
might need some backup heat for when it gets REALLY cold
up there 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

If you do the install yourself then call an AC guy to pull down the 
vacuum, test for leaks, etc. and release the refrigerant and check 
operation, the cost is little more than buying the units, piping, 
disconnect, and support brackets, drilling a 2" hole through the wall, 
running lines, and mounting the indoor unit. You will need some power to 
run it so might have to run a line from your box.  If the electrical is 
not too bad you could get it put in one Saturday, then have your guy 
come Monday to charge it.


If you have to hire that all out, you could be looking at maybe 
$1000-$2000 over the cost of the units, which is crazy but that's how 
those guys make their money.


--JC


On 7/18/16 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This may offer a solution to our hot third floor office.  We need to cool
about900 sq. ft.  What is the installation cost?  Operating cost?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I found this site: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/hvac-sizing.html which
has a chart that suggests 1.5 ton (18kBTU) should be fine for where we are.
I'd like to limit to one head for a couple reasons:Simplified
installation reduced costfewer connections so less chance for problems down
the road
We've only ever had central AC, there are 4 main rooms in the house
(900sqft remember) which all have ceiling fans so the cold air moves around
good.
I was thinking:
https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LS180HSV4-LS180HSV4-18000-BTU-20-SEER-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pump/51907.ac?catId=cat1028===68443:1.5%20Ton
It'll be awhile anyway, gotta put a roof on the place first.
-Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

It would mostly depend on how the house is laid out.  if it is fairly
open I would do like a 24kBTU unit with 2x12k heads, put one in the
living area and one in the bedroom.  If you have 2 bedrooms you would
probably want to get 3 head units which might kick the outdoor unit up
to 27k BTU.  My 4-head unit (which is currently dead, I think the
control board has fried) is a 36k outdoor unit.

Here is an LG with 3x9k head units, 27k outdoor unit

https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LMU24CHV-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-27000-BTU-21-Seer-Heat-Pump/52414.ac?catId=cat1035===1004:LG

The units throttle output so that is the max they would be putting out,
27k or 36k would probably be quite sufficient though in your climate you
might need some backup heat for when it gets REALLY cold up there --
they don't have heat strips like the air blowing units.

--R


On 7/17/16 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Our house is 900sqft, what would you figured we'd need in a mini-split

to replace the wall mount AC we've got now? The wall mount cools the house
fine, I'm planning for when it dies.

We're pretty well insulated, once I get the roof replaced we'll even up

that some more.

-Curt

From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question


On July 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  It’s about 93F, humidity is near saturation at 78%, and the heat index

is in the 102F range. 100% sun exposure on the roof surface.

The AC will run continuously from now until about 6:00 pm when the sun

dips below the treeline of the adjacent lot. It will maintain the 74F
setpoint and the temperature won’t go above that.

So based on what you describe the system is working as intended and at

or near peak efficiency.

Yep, it sounds like perfect design performance on a design afternoon.
When you think it's too old, or when it quits, replace it with a 4 ton,

preferably two stage condenser. Fortunately, up here in the frosty North,
I've had about 5 cooling design afternoons all summer, and design temp is
only for 2-3 hours a day.

And my house is enough smaller / better shaded / better insulated than

yours that I have no idea how hot it would have to get to make my 1.5 Ton
unit run 100% duty cycle. Design afternoons are close to 50% duty.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

It would mostly depend on how the house is laid out.  if it is fairly 
open I would do like a 24kBTU unit with 2x12k heads, put one in the 
living area and one in the bedroom.  If you have 2 bedrooms you would 
probably want to get 3 head units which might kick the outdoor unit up 
to 27k BTU.  My 4-head unit (which is currently dead, I think the 
control board has fried) is a 36k outdoor unit.


Here is an LG with 3x9k head units, 27k outdoor unit 
https://www.acwholesalers.com/LG-Air-Conditioners/LMU24CHV-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-LSN090HSV4-27000-BTU-21-Seer-Heat-Pump/52414.ac?catId=cat1035===1004:LG


The units throttle output so that is the max they would be putting out, 
27k or 36k would probably be quite sufficient though in your climate you 
might need some backup heat for when it gets REALLY cold up there -- 
they don't have heat strips like the air blowing units.


--R


On 7/17/16 6:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Our house is 900sqft, what would you figured we'd need in a mini-split to 
replace the wall mount AC we've got now? The wall mount cools the house fine, 
I'm planning for when it dies.
We're pretty well insulated, once I get the roof replaced we'll even up that 
some more.
-Curt

   From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Mitch Haley 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Home AC Question



On July 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

  It’s about 93F, humidity is near saturation at 78%, and the heat index is in 
the 102F range. 100% sun exposure on the roof surface.

The AC will run continuously from now until about 6:00 pm when the sun dips 
below the treeline of the adjacent lot. It will maintain the 74F setpoint and 
the temperature won’t go above that.

So based on what you describe the system is working as intended and at or near 
peak efficiency.

Yep, it sounds like perfect design performance on a design afternoon.
When you think it's too old, or when it quits, replace it with a 4 ton, 
preferably two stage condenser. Fortunately, up here in the frosty North, I've 
had about 5 cooling design afternoons all summer, and design temp is only for 
2-3 hours a day.
And my house is enough smaller / better shaded / better insulated than yours 
that I have no idea how hot it would have to get to make my 1.5 Ton unit run 
100% duty cycle. Design afternoons are close to 50% duty.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] going to scoop need to sell - $4000 (walterboro)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5687598735.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-pakistan-model-20160717-snap-story.html

"Nearly 1,000 women are killed in Pakistan each year for violating 
conservative norms on love and marriage. The so-called “honor killings” 
often are carried out by family members.


Such killings are considered murder. But Islamic law in Pakistan allows 
a murder victim’s family to pardon the killer, which often allows those 
convicted of honor killings to escape punishment. "


--JC


On 7/15/16 11:43 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
I would agree with Andrew. I have a friend who is originally from 
Pakistan and is Muslim.

He is appalled by the actions of these people.
I see no violent tendancies in him at all.

RB


On 14/07/2016 9:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This is a perversion of Islam. No good Muslim would do such a horrible
thing.

On Jul 14, 2016 10:47 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Islam is a violent cult devoted to world conquest and domination by any
means.. it has never been a religion and only used the color of 
religion to

gain tactical advantage.

My apology to any I have not yet offended.. I'll get to you soon.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:





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Re: [MBZ] I found exactly what I need

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Radiation is healthy for you!  Radium Tonic!

--JC


On 7/17/16 12:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:


Started your own church, or your're building a small cyclotron in your
spare time?

Nope. Just reorganizing things. Although a small cyclotron is an
interesting idea ...  I had thought of a linear accelerator for a
high-school science fair project, but it's probably a good thing
I didn't try it. I had no idea about radiation and shielding then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice (Oil Thread)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

It can't have the tell-tale "OT" on it though

--R


On 7/15/16 3:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

how about a nice oil thread?

beats the he** out of all this religion and politics stuff.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Good points, but in one case there have been advances.  In the other 
case regression.


My wife got me this little book a few years ago, a short history of the 
middle east.  It chronicled something fairly similar to Europe with all 
the feudal wars and such, but where Europe got past all that, more or 
less, at least since Adolf's adventure, the ME continues to be mired in 
it, and only money and strong men seem to hold things together.  With 
Saddam, Muammar, and now Assad being deposed, things go to hell pretty 
fast as the fault lines emerge and they revert to their historical 
behaviors.  If I recall, Mohommed's whole deal was to try to unify them 
under a collective religion, and he sorta succeeded in that, at least 
with the overall ideology (neglecting the continuing issues among the 
different flavors).


--JC


On 7/15/16 3:06 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

"Christianity provided fertile soil in Europe for scientific discovery.
Islam, though it had some engineering accomplishments, provided no
scientific discovery."


The world's greatest mathematician was from Egypt.

"Christianity has provided countless benefits to society, not the least of
which are hospitals, care and concern for the indigent, representative
government, safe communities and so forth."


During the crusades, the Muslims, especially Assyrians, had far better 
understanding of medicine than the Christians.


Sorry to introduce a few facts, please forgive me.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: 15 July 2016 18:52
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:52:15 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:


To close the gap and offend almost everyone at one time, we should shoot
anyone who prays to any one/thing.

Well, you certainly did that ...



All religion ends in hate and killing in the name of the respective god.

That is an over-generalization.

Look instead at whether those hating and killing were accurately
following the tenants of their religion.

In Islam, those hating and killing are following the tenants of their
religion as detailed in the Koran.

In Christianity, those hating and killing are not following the tenants
of their religion. The Crusaders are in this group.

In Islam, hating and killing outsiders is a universal activity, It is
commanded at all times and everywhere.

In the Old Testament, Joshua was commanded to kill specific people at
a specific time. There is no universal command there or in the New
Testament to do so.

Christianity provided fertile soil in Europe for scientific discovery.
Islam, though it had some engineering accomplishments, provided no
scientific discovery.

Christianity has provided countless benefits to society, not the least of
which are hospitals, care and concern for the indigent, representative
government, safe communities and so forth.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Sudden radiator hose leak emergency!

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Don't loose your radiator cap you might brake your injun!

--JC


On 7/15/16 1:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I am sitting in traffic and all the sudden the low Coolant light came on in the 
98 e300. I pull into the parking lot and have a steam of coolant squirting out 
of the upper radiator hose. Crap. I happen to have a gallon of water with me in 
my ice jug and dumped most of that in. Not sure how long today it has been 
leaking but I got to limp it home. I guess I should leave the radiator cap 
loose? Maybe I should try to find some duct tape and wrap it up. I doubt a 
flaps around here would have one in stock

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cable modem

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Sattinger's Law:   "It works better if it is plugged in"

--JC


On 7/15/16 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I don't remember if I'd updated you guys on the saga of the internet here but a 
couple weeks ago I dropped our home phone saving me $30 a month but costing us 
our DSL. I signed on with Comcast last week and this week has been an exercise 
in frustration getting it to work.I opted to buy a cable modem rather than pay 
Comcast $10/mo to lease/rent one, I also didn't pay them $50 to install it. 
Well the modem would never connect so I called a couple times and they sent a 
guy out yesterday. We were at breakfast when he arrived but I found a little 
filter on the cable coming into the house. It didn't help and I messed around 
until I realized that it didn't matter if the cable was plugged in or not. That 
got a promise to send another guy. After talking on the phone I thought to grab 
my multimeter and get an idea if the wire was on or not but then I took the 
simple step of actually LOOKING at the cable, sho nuff it weren't connected at 
the pole...
The good news is that our neighbor also has Comcast and has the rented/leased 
modem which projects an Xfinity hot spot that I can log into since I'm a 
customer so I've been piggybacking on his service for a few days.

Today the guy showed up and ran a new wire for me, its a nice heavy wire, has 
special connectors too. With the new wire everything works a treat, 29Mb/s 
down, 6Mb/s up. The best we had on DSL was 2.5Mb down and 600Kb up so we're 
getting about 10x the speed for $0.05 more a month and I don't have to pay the 
$30 a month I was paying for home phone.
Surprisingly Comcast was easy about just getting internet with no phone or TV...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

In Iran the country is something like 75% under the age of 30 and I 
think in SA it is similar.  There has been a large shift in demographics 
in the ME over the last few decades which creates a large cohort of 
younger people who have somewhat different aspirations than their older 
parental generation.  The older ones are trying to hard to keep them 
content or brainwashed, but at some point it isn't going to keep working 
(because no one is working, they don't really know what that is).  The 
elite will decamp to Switzerland leaving the rest of them to sort out 
their mess.


--JC


On 7/15/16 10:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There's a really good Frontline on the Saudis that just aired recently. I 
highly recommend it.

They have got so much stuff piling up against the government that they're close 
to having an internal meltdown.  With the price of oil tanking, their economy 
is doing poorly. Huge numbers of young people unemployed. Subsidized things 
like utilities now being taken away from the consumers, driving up their costs 
significantly.

The place is a powder keg.

One thing I got a kick out of was that rather than deal with dissidents in the 
east, they buy them off. Only problem with that is that they don't have the 
money to do it any more.  They were spending hundreds of millions of dollars 
just to pay off the troublemakers, which isn't going to happen any longer.

It's going to be ugly.

Dan

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On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

None isn't exactly true but I'm sure you don't listen to NPR. Every time theres 
an attack they trot out a couple imams to tell us how muslims are peaceful etc.
What you don't see/hear is any muslim countries decrying violence. Especially 
not the Saudis.
-Curt


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To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

All good points, Unfortunately they are negated by one little fact.

Where are the millions of "good Muslims" speaking out against these violent
acts of terrorism? Where are the millions of "good Muslims" taking ANY
action to stop those who act under the fabrication that "They are not
acting like Islam teaches?"

Answer. There are NONE.  There can be NONE because those doing acts of
terror are doing exactly what the Quran and Hadiths demand. Any Muslim who
speaks or acts to stop them is an apostate.. The penalty for apostasy in
Islam is death..

Sorry to offend anyone.. I suggest you read and understand Quran and
Hadiths and draw your own conclusions.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


While that is true, it seems that roughly 10% of muslims agree with the
more horrible/perverted form of the religion.  And when there are
1.2billion muslims... you can see where it is headed. Or where it is.  More
than enough to express their viewpoints quite emphatically.  The sad thing
is that they don't seem to discriminate particularly whether their target
is Jews, Christians, Hindoos, Buddhists, other flavors of Islam, kaffirs,
etc.  I'm not sure all those groups have wronged them sufficiently to get
that kind of treatment.  Slavery is still quite popular among a good part
of the muslim world too, which is at considerable odds with most civilized
sensibilities.  Then there is the whole woman aspect, homosexuals, etc.  I
guess the "good" ones probably don't have strong views on that stuff, but
it seems to be tolerated to some extent, which is almost as bad as being
part of it.

But, in any case, my thoughts are with the people in Nice, out having a
good holiday time, then this kind of thing has to


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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

NPR this morning were having a hard time dancing around the fact that 
the killer's name was Muhammed from Tunisia (but he was French!) though 
they tried to spin it a bit to minimize that aspect.  It actually took 
them a little while in the story to get around to that point, and then 
reluctantly.  They didn't have time this morning to get the apologists 
lined up but I'm sure by this afternoon they'll have the story straight.


--JC


On 7/15/16 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

None isn't exactly true but I'm sure you don't listen to NPR. Every time theres 
an attack they trot out a couple imams to tell us how muslims are peaceful etc.
What you don't see/hear is any muslim countries decrying violence. Especially 
not the Saudis.
-Curt


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Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 1:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

All good points, Unfortunately they are negated by one little fact.


Where are the millions of "good Muslims" speaking out against these violent
acts of terrorism? Where are the millions of "good Muslims" taking ANY
action to stop those who act under the fabrication that "They are not
acting like Islam teaches?"

Answer. There are NONE.  There can be NONE because those doing acts of
terror are doing exactly what the Quran and Hadiths demand. Any Muslim who
speaks or acts to stop them is an apostate.. The penalty for apostasy in
Islam is death..

Sorry to offend anyone.. I suggest you read and understand Quran and
Hadiths and draw your own conclusions.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


While that is true, it seems that roughly 10% of muslims agree with the
more horrible/perverted form of the religion.  And when there are
1.2billion muslims... you can see where it is headed. Or where it is.  More
than enough to express their viewpoints quite emphatically.  The sad thing
is that they don't seem to discriminate particularly whether their target
is Jews, Christians, Hindoos, Buddhists, other flavors of Islam, kaffirs,
etc.  I'm not sure all those groups have wronged them sufficiently to get
that kind of treatment.  Slavery is still quite popular among a good part
of the muslim world too, which is at considerable odds with most civilized
sensibilities.  Then there is the whole woman aspect, homosexuals, etc.  I
guess the "good" ones probably don't have strong views on that stuff, but
it seems to be tolerated to some extent, which is almost as bad as being
part of it.

But, in any case, my thoughts are with the people in Nice, out having a
good holiday time, then this kind of thing has to happen.  One worries
about similar events here... oh, wait, it has...

--JC

On 7/14/16 10:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


This is a perversion of Islam. No good Muslim would do such a horrible
thing.

On Jul 14, 2016 10:47 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

Islam is a violent cult devoted to world conquest and domination by any

means.. it has never been a religion and only used the color of religion
to
gain tactical advantage.

My apology to any I have not yet offended.. I'll get to you soon.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Wow, animal is right.  Evil can be very creative in killing people, and
in


horrible ways.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 14, 2016 10:14:33 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I stayed in Nice for a week or so some years ago at a great old hotel,
the Negresco, on the Promenade des Anglais, overlooking the harbor
there. Right where these assholes killed all those people. WTF is wrong

with them?  I guess I know the answer to that, but still...

I'm guessing the French might be close to reaching their limit with
this
nonsense, and might even show some courage.

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Re: [MBZ] Request for help

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Oh wow looks like they didn't want to loose the tendons!

--JC


On 7/15/16 8:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On July 15, 2016 at 12:31 AM archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:



We were Progress Energy until its CEO decided to "save some money" by 
doing part of the routine replacement of the major unit of a large 
round high pressure structure. The structure was held together by 
steel bands that encircled it. This was the result:




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_River_3_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Outage.2C_repairs_and_closure


Crystal River is a pressurized water reactor that normally produces 
860 MWe, but it has been offline since September 2009 when a 
refuelling and 20% uprate outage began. While the reactor was down, 
the old steam generators were to be replaced. There are 426 steel 
/tendons/ within the concrete walls of the reactor containment dome 
which reinforce the dome. Plan developer Sargent & Lundy specified 
that 97 tendons be loosened. Progress rejected that number as 
excessive. The next proposal was 74 tendons, which was typical of 
other nuclear plants doing the procedure. According to a Progress 
employeee, "de-tensioning the tendons is a very expensive and 
time-consuming effort", so the number was further reduced to 65. 
Progress engaged Bechtel  to 
provide a 3rd party review, which agreed that 65 was appropriate. 
However, when the work was performed, only 27 tendons were loosened, 
and a foreman and supervisor sent emails questioning the way the 
tendons were loosened.^[7] 
 



When workers began to cut the access hole for the steam generators, a 
crack formed. That crack was repaired, but more cracks appeared. 
Engineers noticed that parts of the concrete had delaminated. This was 
repaired, and the concrete re-tensioned, but the same problem was 
found in other areas. The plant had originally been due to restart in 
April 2011 following the uprate, but in June 2011 Progress Energy said 
that it did not expect it to restart until 2014. Preliminary cost 
estimates for the repairs was put at between $900 million and $1.3 
billion,^[3] 
 
but this estimate was later called into question by Duke Energy.^[8] 
 
In October 2012 an independent review estimated the repair cost at 
$1.5 billion, with a worst-case scenario of $3.4 billion.^[9] 
 
In February 2013 Duke Energy announced that Crystal River would be 
permanently shut down and that they will recover $850 million in 
insurance claims.^[4] 
 
A Duke spokesperson stated, "The company sought input from numerous 
engineering experts — internally and externally — and used proven 
industry-accepted practices when determining how to replace the steam 
generators. Analysis has shown that the 2009 delamination (cracking) 
could not have been predicted. The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
confirmed these findings."^[7] 
 



Gregory Jaczko , former 
chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
, stated, 
"That's a multi-billion dollar asset that had to be shut down because 
of improper work planning, improper understanding of how to properly 
do this containment retrofit".^[7] 
 





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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I was reading the article in this morning's paper about this event, and 
the large pic on the inside was of the hotel I stayed in, and I could 
see the room balcony I stayed in.  It happened right in front of it.  So 
sad.


--JC

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Chinee Endoscope

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

oops I missed that on first read of the first post.  my bad.

--R


On 7/15/16 7:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

JC, this was the first post in the thread:


Begin forwarded message:

From: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Chinee Endoscope
Date: July 14, 2016 at 12:00:07 PM EDT
To: Mercedes List 

I think we were discussing the cheap (sub $10) eBay/Chinee endoscopes a while 
back.

I just got mine last week and had a chance to play with it last night.  I found 
that on a Mac if I used the Photobooth application and chose the USB camera as 
the input it worked great.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649=561070589046=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

No do it yourself colonoscopies just yet, but with the little time I spent with 
it I think it could easily pay for itself with a couple of uses.



Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

While that is true, it seems that roughly 10% of muslims agree with the 
more horrible/perverted form of the religion.  And when there are 
1.2billion muslims... you can see where it is headed. Or where it is.  
More than enough to express their viewpoints quite emphatically.  The 
sad thing is that they don't seem to discriminate particularly whether 
their target is Jews, Christians, Hindoos, Buddhists, other flavors of 
Islam, kaffirs, etc.  I'm not sure all those groups have wronged them 
sufficiently to get that kind of treatment.  Slavery is still quite 
popular among a good part of the muslim world too, which is at 
considerable odds with most civilized sensibilities.  Then there is the 
whole woman aspect, homosexuals, etc.  I guess the "good" ones probably 
don't have strong views on that stuff, but it seems to be tolerated to 
some extent, which is almost as bad as being part of it.


But, in any case, my thoughts are with the people in Nice, out having a 
good holiday time, then this kind of thing has to happen.  One worries 
about similar events here... oh, wait, it has...


--JC

On 7/14/16 10:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This is a perversion of Islam. No good Muslim would do such a horrible
thing.

On Jul 14, 2016 10:47 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Islam is a violent cult devoted to world conquest and domination by any
means.. it has never been a religion and only used the color of religion to
gain tactical advantage.

My apology to any I have not yet offended.. I'll get to you soon.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Wow, animal is right.  Evil can be very creative in killing people, and

in

horrible ways.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 14, 2016 10:14:33 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I stayed in Nice for a week or so some years ago at a great old hotel,
the Negresco, on the Promenade des Anglais, overlooking the harbor
there. Right where these assholes killed all those people. WTF is wrong

with them?  I guess I know the answer to that, but still...

I'm guessing the French might be close to reaching their limit with
this
nonsense, and might even show some courage.

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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Yeah we tried shutting off and restarting, no go.  The board on the 
compressor has some LEDs that should be lighting but aren't. The indoor 
units are all blinking their light saying they can't talk to the outdoor 
unit.  They have power off the outdoor unit through a 12V source.  I'm 
thinking there might be a 5V tap on the transformer too for the circuit 
board, I vaguely recall that from my quick perusal of the manual.  I 
guess I'll check that first, see if it is putting out 5V and the board 
is getting power.


yes it is an LG unit.  My guy says they have troubles with the 
Mitsubishis, which are supposedly "the best" and he does not like the 
mini-splits.  He also said Mits makes their own, all the other Asian 
brands are made by one company he could not remember, so they are all 
pretty much the same.


I can probably get Amazon prime free shipping on a tank or if it is over 
$49 and I can wait for a tortoise delivery...


--JC


On 7/14/16 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



Korean?

LG?

Did you kill the breaker and try to reboot?

Check every wire, there's probably four conductors for each indoor unit?

I wonder if an electronic failure in an indoor unit can shut the whole 
system down or if it means something's wrong in the outdoor unit?



I took the test for the auto license online in the 1990s, don't know 
what I did with the license.


A few years ago I bought a can of 410a on Amazon for something like $120.

It's still sealed, but I bet it would cost some serious $$ to ship it 
to you without a wholesale UPS account.



Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

The service manual has some troubleshooting procedures, my Korengrish 
should work pretty well.  I'll have to get at it this weekend, figure I 
can poke around at it as good as my guy.  I'll have to dig out the 
warranty info but it is probably beyond.


I'll look into the gas and a gauge set too.

--JC


On 7/14/16 7:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Bought a 30 lb tank a few years ago, didn't need a license then.  Amazon,
about $125 and wait a few days.

The installation manual / plan should give some idea of how it works, so
then you can engineer a test method or two.  Is there a big-a** start
capacitor?  Those are notorious for causing a no-start condition when all
the rest of the system is fine.

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Chinee Endoscope

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I have one of those magnets too, probably a Sears.  Do you have a link 
to the colonoscope?  I think I have seen them on DX or banggood but if 
you had good luck I'll order one from your vendor too.


--JC


On 7/14/16 5:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That’s what my $5.99 mega magnet on a stick from Sears I bought in 1981 is for. 
 I was working on my Pinto and dropped the hex tool for the head bolts down the 
oil drain on the back of the head.  I ran to Sears and found the magnet on an 
extendible stick for $5.99 which I used to extract the hex tool from the oil 
pan with.

That tool has saved me more times that I would like to recall.

Dan



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I'd use it every time I drop a tool under the hood and don't hear it hit 
concrete (which is about twice a year, I drop stuff a lot, but most of the time 
it lands in plain sight or falls all the way to the floor).



Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT Nice

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I stayed in Nice for a week or so some years ago at a great old hotel, 
the Negresco, on the Promenade des Anglais, overlooking the harbor 
there. Right where these assholes killed all those people. WTF is wrong 
with them?  I guess I know the answer to that, but still...


I'm guessing the French might be close to reaching their limit with this 
nonsense, and might even show some courage.


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Re: [MBZ] Crack or No?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Maybe he pulled the 560 and put some raggedy 380 in there and changed 
the badge to make it look right.


--JC


On 7/14/16 6:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Cracker city.  Notice the side view pix, how high the front end is (tire
vs. fenderline)?  Sumpin' ain right!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Nice car, but a 380?  Crack. For a lot less than that one could buy
Andrew's friend's 560SEC which is apparently in quite good shape, put some
$$ in it and have it be in similar condition.

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[MBZ] OT HVAC issue

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

My mini-split quit working the other night, indoor units are blinking 5 
times which seems to be a code (if I can understand Korengrish) that 
they are no longer communicating with the outdoor compressor unit.  I 
thought the thing might have gone low on refrigerant but my guy came by 
today and hooked up a tank and the thing would not come on, it did not 
look like it was low on refrigerant even before he hooked up the tank.  
I guess I am going to have to get in and do some troubleshooting on the 
board and connections to see if the board fried or what.


In any case we talked about these things, he is not a fan of them as 
with all the connections they tend to leak down.  I have 16 connections 
between the compressor unit and the 4 head units, but it looked like it 
has been holding.   I mentioned I should just get a tank of gas and some 
gauges and have it around to keep my units topped off, he agreed that 
was reasonable to do.  It's 410A refrigerant, gauges look standard but 
he had to use an adaptor to fit the Schrader on the unit.  I am 
presuming I need to go get an AC "license" to buy the tank of gas, 
gauges should be easy to get.  The manual gives the whole charging 
procedure so nothing exotic there.


Who has gotten a "license" on the EPA site?  What's that like? My guy 
would probably buy me a tank if I asked him, he's pretty easy about the 
whole deal.


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Re: [MBZ] Crack or No?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Nice car, but a 380?  Crack. For a lot less than that one could buy 
Andrew's friend's 560SEC which is apparently in quite good shape, put 
some $$ in it and have it be in similar condition.


--R


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year: 1975, title only as of 2016-07-14 01:56:17 PM EDT


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Re: [MBZ] Nice but crack

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Not a single Crack anywhere.

I couldn't even find another one for sale in the US

--JC


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1995 Mercedes Benz S350d Diesel! Super rare!! Very clean!! Rare color!
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Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I am now a UROlogist!

Seriously, I am a troublemaker in the local community.  I called myself 
an agitator until a friend pointed out that was a no-no around here as 
that was what the old crackas called the black folks who came here to 
stir things up back in the 60s.  It is still a bit of sore point though 
my good friend who was a major agitator back then loves it and eggs me 
on.  I hear there is a future in it.  Maybe when we finally win the 
Waawww it will be OK.


I speak Truth to Power and they don't like it.  I am a part of a cabal 
in that regard, they fear our presence at their schemings. Even when we 
aren't there we live in their minds.  The gummint does not like the 
subjects to speak up, esp when some of them are very invested in their 
shady schemes.  Certain elected officials either go out of their way to 
avoid us, or make it a point to berate us for calling them out on their 
foolishness (which is way too easy to do, but generally fun).  Others 
have become friends, which is interesting.  The paper does, however, 
like it as it gives them something interesting to print and occasionally 
generates an ongoing letters-to-the-editor thread on the editorial 
page.  I give great quotes for articles and TV interviews, write LTEs 
and op-eds, generally be a PITA.


My wife joined in 3 or 4 years ago with a really good LTE, and it got 
her a reprimand at work from the head guy, first thing in the morning 
even before she had seen the LTE (them good ol' boys have an early long 
reach!) and 2 or 3 LTEs in response the next week or so, none of them 
laudatory.  At first she didn't even know what he was going on about, 
and he wasn't too enthusiastic about it either but had to appease the 
good ol' boys and report back she had been properly reprimanded.  Her 
boss liked it but told her to lay low for awhile...   It was awesome, 
it's great to cause headaches, dyspepsia, constipation, and high blood 
pressure in the scalawags when they read the morning paper.   I saw one 
of them later, a state rep who had installed his brother (who owns a 
Greek restaurant!) on the board of the place, and called him out on 
that, he protested too much with much harrumphing and blathering, said 
his brother knew about food service so could help the cafeteria 
operations...  I saw him a coupla weeks ago and was going to say hi but 
he saw me coming and turned away.  SCORE!!!


You know that old saying, when you throw a rock at a pack of dogs the 
one that yelps is the one you hit...


--JC


On 7/13/16 4:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

He once installed a URO gasket.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:18 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


AD?  Adult delinquent?  How so?


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride


When I was in 2nd grade, the principal (who I later learned to have been a

pedophile) called my mother for a conference and told her I was going to be
a JD (school lingo for juvenile delinquent) unless she got me under
control.  Though I peaked early it did not manifest at that time with the
ladies.  Later on in HS I was a honorrollee and marginal JD, and it did not
manifest much either with the ladies.  Now I am an AD according to some
commentators, and the ladies love me but, alas, having just one (well, two
if you count my daughter) I am unable to capitalize on that achievement!
Old Benzes seem to have no effect on their assessments.

--JC


On 7/13/16 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


The ladies prefer rat rods to pristine Benzes for the same reason the HS
chicks prefer bad boys (juvenile delinquents) to honor rollees.  The Danger
and Excitement factor.

Live is so unfair.

Andrew
Law abiding owner of two station wagons

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 There is a guy who lives near the bike path I ride on sometimes
 who has a rat rod with what looks like a modded  Model A body. The
 whole thing is pretty rough, I have seen him driving it and it
 really is just a rat rod with a bunch of thrown-together parts
 with no polish on anything.  I kinda like it.  Here in SC there is
 no inspection law so unless some cop takes issue with it, yer good
 ta go.

 --JC



 On 7/13/16 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

 On 13/07/2016 12:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

 You could put those twennyates yo on your dizzel wagon yo
 and go driving around DC later in the evening yo, see what
 ladies come running.

 On a similar aspect, last night on the flix I was watching
   

Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

When I was in 2nd grade, the principal (who I later learned to have been 
a pedophile) called my mother for a conference and told her I was going 
to be a JD (school lingo for juvenile delinquent) unless she got me 
under control.  Though I peaked early it did not manifest at that time 
with the ladies.  Later on in HS I was a honorrollee and marginal JD, 
and it did not manifest much either with the ladies.  Now I am an AD 
according to some commentators, and the ladies love me but, alas, having 
just one (well, two if you count my daughter) I am unable to capitalize 
on that achievement!  Old Benzes seem to have no effect on their 
assessments.


--JC


On 7/13/16 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
The ladies prefer rat rods to pristine Benzes for the same reason the 
HS chicks prefer bad boys (juvenile delinquents) to honor rollees.  
The Danger and Excitement factor.


Live is so unfair.

Andrew
Law abiding owner of two station wagons

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


There is a guy who lives near the bike path I ride on sometimes
who has a rat rod with what looks like a modded  Model A body. The
whole thing is pretty rough, I have seen him driving it and it
really is just a rat rod with a bunch of thrown-together parts
with no polish on anything.  I kinda like it.  Here in SC there is
no inspection law so unless some cop takes issue with it, yer good
ta go.

--JC



On 7/13/16 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 13/07/2016 12:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

You could put those twennyates yo on your dizzel wagon yo
and go driving around DC later in the evening yo, see what
ladies come running.

On a similar aspect, last night on the flix I was watching
some show called "Roadkill" which is mildly entertaining. 
They were doing some sort of comparison to a Lambo

Aventador and a seriously chopped/channeled rat rod that
was pretty much a rolling POS but sorta interesting.  They
observed that the guys were drawn to the Lambo, while the
ladies were drawn to the rat rod.  I have no idea if they
accurately reported this statistical survey, but it was
kinda interesting.

--JC


Rat rods are interesting. Some are pretty decent and some are
junk but all are different. I like car shows but I truly do
not care if I ever see another perfect big block Camaro
trailer queen. I want to see cars that are driven and not just
polished.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Request for help

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

That is correct.  I had the powerco come and run a new line to the house 
for 300A service.  They came off the transformer on the pole with new 
line, ran it to a junction box, then ran new underground line to my 
meter box (which a powerco guy I know had given me off his truck a 
coupla years prior, so even that was theirs).  I had to supply a 3" PVC 
conduit fitting on my meter box, they provided 3" conduit the rest of 
the way to the junction box, and put in their meter on my box.  I have 
no idea why they didn't have a 3" fitting for the box ("we just don't do 
it"), I had to go off to get one.


Basically anything electrical on their side of the meter is theirs (as 
is the meter).  It might be a local thing about the pipe and connector 
thing on the house that the lines go into on their way to the meter.


--JC


On 7/13/16 2:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


If it's attached to your building, it's yours.

The Tri-plex from the transformer to the edge of your building is theirs.

If a truck hits the overhead Tri-plex where it crosses the road, and 
the Tri-plex yanks the conduit off your house, it's your problem.


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

There is a guy who lives near the bike path I ride on sometimes who has 
a rat rod with what looks like a modded  Model A body. The whole thing 
is pretty rough, I have seen him driving it and it really is just a rat 
rod with a bunch of thrown-together parts with no polish on anything.  I 
kinda like it.  Here in SC there is no inspection law so unless some cop 
takes issue with it, yer good ta go.


--JC


On 7/13/16 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 13/07/2016 12:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
You could put those twennyates yo on your dizzel wagon yo and go 
driving around DC later in the evening yo, see what ladies come running.


On a similar aspect, last night on the flix I was watching some show 
called "Roadkill" which is mildly entertaining.  They were doing some 
sort of comparison to a Lambo Aventador and a seriously 
chopped/channeled rat rod that was pretty much a rolling POS but 
sorta interesting.  They observed that the guys were drawn to the 
Lambo, while the ladies were drawn to the rat rod.  I have no idea if 
they accurately reported this statistical survey, but it was kinda 
interesting.


--JC


Rat rods are interesting. Some are pretty decent and some are junk but 
all are different. I like car shows but I truly do not care if I ever 
see another perfect big block Camaro trailer queen. I want to see cars 
that are driven and not just polished.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Request for help

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

It's the powerco's line, you can't fool with it and all that goes with 
it (making sure power is off, re-energizing the line, etc.). They own up 
to your meter.


--JC


On 7/13/16 1:45 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

I think the best option would be to hire an electrician who can fix the
broken line.  I don't know how to locate such but the power companies use
lots of outside help after storms and such; so they must exist.

Despite lots of "big talk", providing your own power is costly up front and
for each KWH.  Unless provisions exist, he'll need an electrician to connect
a big generator anyway. So why not just fix the wire?


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Listers,

The local veterinary  who has a 10-20,000 square foot animal hospital has

had

a failure of the power companies line from the pole to the clinic.
  He's essentially out of business with the computer system, xray system,

and

A/C not working since the daily temps are in the 90F's around here.

Duke Power Company said they "would try to expedite" their repair order,
but Duke has not been "user friendly" in this area, so when it will get

fixed is

anyones guess.

His wife said they would rent a large portable diesel power until capable

of

powering the whole clinic if one was available since they will be losing a

great

deal of money every day they are down, and the animals under their care

will

be suffering.

Does anyone know what a company that rents portable power units would be
called and how listed on the internet?
They have three large A/C units, and probably use an equal amount of power
or more for other systems in the hospital.

Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

You could put those twennyates yo on your dizzel wagon yo and go driving 
around DC later in the evening yo, see what ladies come running.


On a similar aspect, last night on the flix I was watching some show 
called "Roadkill" which is mildly entertaining.  They were doing some 
sort of comparison to a Lambo Aventador and a seriously 
chopped/channeled rat rod that was pretty much a rolling POS but sorta 
interesting.  They observed that the guys were drawn to the Lambo, while 
the ladies were drawn to the rat rod.  I have no idea if they accurately 
reported this statistical survey, but it was kinda interesting.


--JC


On 7/12/16 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Even more so than driving a 33 year old diesel station wagon?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I had this conversation with my son a coupla weeks ago as we were
passing a house with a "Box" with a blue metalflake paint job on
blocks out behind it, I had seen it there for quite some time with
the big chrome rims, etc. then recently on blocks.  I supposed
that the rim store had come and repoed them when the guy couldn't
keep up with payments (you can get them on credit, just make a
monthly payment, rent to "own").  So I asked him why he thought
this particular trend was popular in a certain demographic, if it
was a personal satisfaction thing, to show off to his buddies, or
to appear to be more attractive to the ladies.

He believed quite sincerely that it was to be more attractive to
the ladies.  A car with big rims was the key, not a job,
education, nice house, etc.  I don't know but it sorta made sense,
and he is probably more in tune with it than I am.

--JC



On 7/12/16 2:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:39:46 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5679243582.html


 From the posting: "Wow 28" rims 1200 dollars"

Wow is right. Why would anyone spend that kind of money on
rims which
require tires so thin they and the rim will be damaged going
over common
bumps in the road?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I like the Borg School of Engineering solution better

--JC


On 7/13/16 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I understand it, yes.  It’s a safety thing.

For example, if someone’s hand or fingers were in the window opening, if you 
attempt to raise the window it will reverse automatically when it encounters 
resistance.

Dan



On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

So it is the "auto up/down and reversing functions" that make this
necessary.

But to repeat Rich's question, why do we need all this?

What do the "auto up/down and reversing functions" do and why would
anyone want them?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out of 
sync" is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing.  At what point in the 
advance of western civilization did the need for windows to be "in sync" 
become a compelling technological goal? What does it get us?  What 
problem does it solve?  What good does it do for all the starving kids 
in China?


--JC


On 7/13/16 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Nothing odd about this.

As Kaleb mentioned, your window(s) is/are out of sync.  You need to re-sync 
them and all should be well.

Have you disconnected the battery?  That will cause the windows to get out of 
sync.

Dan



On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up
position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd.

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Re: [MBZ] Request for help

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Out here on the fringes of America if my power goes out I can put in a 
request on-line on my phone, or call their hot (cold?)-line, to our 
local co-op and within a short time a truck and crew show up to fix the 
problem.  And it is likely to be a young guy and his buddy who live here 
on this island, and whom I let hunt on my vast estate.  Any time, day or 
night.


--JC


On 7/13/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder if a call to the State Police pointing out that this is a doctors 
office and public health is an issue might encourage the energy company to get 
a move on. After all docs have to provide for their patients if the doc wants 
to take a vacation...
-Curt

   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Request for help

Natural gas for a rental won’t happen. They don’t exist, or if they do, I’ve never seen one.  The availability of fuel and difficulty in establishing a connection makes it near impossible to do. The volume of fuel required for a decent sized set would require a large connection and completely different metering and regulation than what is used for residential or commercial buildings.


Any rental will be a trailer mounted diesel set.  They will have to employ an 
electrician to make the connection to their building.

Based on Gerry’s description, 10kW won’t come close to cutting it.  With three 
AC units and the remaining loads, I’m guessing a 50kW would probably be a unit 
that would do the job.  That’s a wild guess, of course, without having more 
details.  An X-ray machine is a really horrible, nasty load for a generator, 
too.  Huge inrush currents that make voltage regulators go crazy.

Ring Power is another possibility, but that’s the local Caterpillar guys and 
they will be stupid expensive.

Dan



On Jul 13, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Most rental places around here have 10k diesel generators hanging around to be 
rented, it'd be worth calling around. Often if they don't have one they'll 
steer you to somebody who does.
-Curt


   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Request for help


Listers,

The local veterinary  who has a 10-20,000 square foot animal hospital has had a 
failure of the power companies line from the pole to the clinic.
He's essentially out of business with the computer system, xray system, and A/C 
not working since the daily temps are in the 90F's around here.

Duke Power Company said they "would try to expedite" their repair order, but Duke has not 
been "user friendly" in this area, so when it will get fixed is anyones guess.

His wife said they would rent a large portable diesel power until capable of 
powering the whole clinic if one was available since they will be losing a 
great deal of money every day they are down, and the animals under their care 
will be suffering.

Does anyone know what a company that rents portable power units would be called 
and how listed on the internet?
They have three large A/C units, and probably use an equal amount of power or 
more for other systems in the hospital.

Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Another Klebber

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

But it might take $1000 to get it dragged out of the back yard, somehow.

--JC


On 7/12/16 3:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

At $100 this is a SICK deal.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On July 12, 2016 at 1:50 PM Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


https://savannah.craigslist.org/pts/5663031059.html


"I loved this car to death. Please buy it because I'm too emotional to
scrap it. "

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I had this conversation with my son a coupla weeks ago as we were 
passing a house with a "Box" with a blue metalflake paint job on blocks 
out behind it, I had seen it there for quite some time with the big 
chrome rims, etc. then recently on blocks.  I supposed that the rim 
store had come and repoed them when the guy couldn't keep up with 
payments (you can get them on credit, just make a monthly payment, rent 
to "own").  So I asked him why he thought this particular trend was 
popular in a certain demographic, if it was a personal satisfaction 
thing, to show off to his buddies, or to appear to be more attractive to 
the ladies.


He believed quite sincerely that it was to be more attractive to the 
ladies.  A car with big rims was the key, not a job, education, nice 
house, etc.  I don't know but it sorta made sense, and he is probably 
more in tune with it than I am.


--JC


On 7/12/16 2:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:39:46 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5679243582.html



 From the posting: "Wow 28" rims 1200 dollars"

Wow is right. Why would anyone spend that kind of money on rims which
require tires so thin they and the rim will be damaged going over common
bumps in the road?


Craig

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[MBZ] Another Klebber

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/pts/5663031059.html


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[MBZ] KLEB SPECIAL -- 1976 MERCEDES 450 SEL - $350

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

   SEND TITLE


   1976 MERCEDES 450 SEL - $350

THIS VEHICLE HAS A GOOD ENGINE AND TRANNY,THE BODY IS IN GOOD SHAPE , 
GOOD TIRES, IT WAS DRIVEN ON MY PROPERTY AND LEFT HERE I DON`T HAVE THE 
TITLE FOR IT SO IT`S FOR PARTS ONLY, MAKE AN OFFER (I AM WAITING FOR 
MAGISTRATES OFFICE TO LET ME KNOW HOW TO GET TITLE)

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[MBZ] Wilton needs this for his new ride

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5679243582.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT: My friend's 1989 560 SE C [shameless commerce]

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Does it have the rare zundfogel engine?

--JC


On 7/12/16 12:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I agree and will do the BAT deal, but only after my homies get first crack
at this cream puff.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


A BAT buyer would be a good home.  The demographics of hte place are much
the same as this list, only far more car diverse.

If I was going to sell a car I thought worthy I would definitely use BAT.
You couldn’t get a better targeted audience, and it’s pretty much
foolproof.  They will also assist with the copy and marketing stuff, too.

Dan



On Jul 12, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 

wrote:

He wants to make sure it goes to a good home, of which this list has

many.

Wasn't Snook interested?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

If he’s truly interested in selling in the best venue, he should

consider listing it on BAT with a reserve.

www.bringatrailer.com  <

http://www.bringatrailer.com/ >

The BAT people do a pretty good job with listings, and while the

comments can get a little rough at times, they’re usually quite helpful.
It’s an audience that’s discerning but has the money to buy such nice toys.

Just a suggestion.

Dan




On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

*The following is a description of my friend's 1989 560 SEC coupe.

The car

is located in Chevy Chase, MD and has been always garaged and well

cared

for.  I can provide photos - if you're interested please email me off

list.*

Up for sale is a beautiful example of one of the nicest coupes
Mercedes-Benz has ever produced.

It is a two-owner 1989 560 SEC with original 108,000 low, pampered

miles

(under 5 K. miles/year).

This 560 SEC spent its entire life in the Washington, DC area. It has

been

well serviced and maintained all its life, with plenty of records and
documentation. Everything works like it should with no known issues.
Steering box replaced and no rattling shifter bushings.

The motor runs smooth and powerful, and the transmission shifts very
smoothly. The cosmetic condition is also superb.

All chrome parts look very nice without any dull spots.The interior is

in

above average condition with just normal signs of wear and tear. It is

a

non-smoker car with no unusual odors at all.

If you are in the market for a great 560 SEC with a very reasonable

price,

this is the one!

Feel free to call nnn-nnn- with any questions you might have.
*Price: *$9,900 obo.

*Extra Notes *

The late 1980s were a good time for Mercedes, the strength of the

dollar

pushing orders and production to record-breaking levels. The byproduct

of

that success was a zealous and well-funded R department that helped
Mercedes carry on their reputation for perpetual technological

advancement

and the highest possible build-quality. That quality is immediately
apparent from behind the wheel of this car. Smooth, powerful and

abundantly

stable and balanced, it's hard to imagine a more comfortable,
driver-friendly car despite its 27 years. Cutting edge in 1989, the

W126

model SEC fulfilled and still fulfills all of the core requirements of

a

flagship luxury coupe, making the advancements of the subsequent

quarter

decade seem like unnecessary window-dressing. Buyers had to pay for the
privilege of owning these cars, with the original sticker price being
nearly $83k. Adjusting for inflation, that's more that $160k in today's
money.

The car's design is entirely representative of its “top-of-the-line”
exclusivity. Big, bold and 1980's angular, the car embodies a practical
strength while still remaining elegant and well proportioned. This is

only

enhanced by the timelessly clean Black-on-Black, which is in very good
condition, commensurate with the car's low, well-looked-after mileage.
Marred only by minor imperfections to the paint (none of which are
significant enough to detract from the car's overall appeal or even

appear

in the pictures), the car's tank-like body is in excellent condition,

and

retaining factory consistent gaps and panel fits.

The car's interior is equally as clean, the tasteful black leather

seats

exhibiting only the slightest amount of wear and the interior carpets

and

panels all flawless. The dash is free of cracks or warping and the

control

console houses fully functioning switchgear and gauges. The power

sunroof,

power seats, heated seats, power windows, air conditioning, temperature
controls and Alpine 12 CD Changer and Cassette Player all function
properly. All of the glass, rubber and chrome is in good shape. The new
alloy wheels are beautiful, and they're wrapped in top Michelin tires

with

plenty of remaining tread.

The car is also 

Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

There are huge amounts of dark fiber all over the country too (and the 
world as well).


--JC


On 7/12/16 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The fiber is infrastructure fiber and probably not set up for consumer stuff.

Understand that back in the early 1980s, Sprint had the national contract with 
the DoD for fiber.  They set up and installed the CONUS infrastructure and 
actual fiber and maintained it to DoD standards.  Part of the payoff of being 
the first ones to do this and undertake the massive expense was getting the 
ability to lease out some of the bandwidth and resell or use it themselves.

The Ma Bells came in after Sprint and did a lot of the “last mile” connections, 
which is probably what you’re seeing.

Dan



On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have called them and they have no form of high speed at my house they say. 
Which is why I am wondering about the fiber signs up and down the road.

My home phone is currently ooma which is voip.

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I hooked 5 bags to the ceiling fan blades but they keep flying off

--JC


On 7/12/16 12:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Have they no bagged ice in your part of the world?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Perhaps you can help with a translation:

"Be sure to short pressure S/W. otherwise Low pressure S/W detect
low pressure skete and stops the compressor."

My split system quit cooling last night, the head units are
blinking which I think (if my Korenglish is working) means the
refrigerant is low.  My HVAC guy is slammed but says he'll come
tomorrow which will be OK.

I am thinking I need to get the "license" and watch what he does
then just buy a gauge set and a tank of gas and do my own topping
off every year.  Actually I have watched and it is pretty much
just getting enough in for the pressures to come up properly.

These mini-splits are great but there are on my system 16
connections (2 at each head unit and 8 on the outside unit) so the
probability of even a very tiny leak is fairly high, and those
compression connections are somewhat problematic even when being
very careful on the connections.  This charge has lasted since Nov
'14 so that is not bad, considering.

--R


On 7/12/16 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I don't see it that way at all.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:49 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via
Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Eyep.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Yep.

On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:22 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>

wrote:

Yep

WS

- Original Message - From: "WILTON via
Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>

To: "mercedes list" <mercedes@okiebenz.com
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Cc: "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com
<mailto:wilt...@nc.rr.com>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: My friend's 1989 560 SE C [shameless commerce]

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Is he willing to finance?  How low will he go on the price? Would he be 
interested in a trade for a newer (1998) Cadillac?


I can get a certified check once the bank in Lagos opens tomorrow.

--JC


On 7/12/16 11:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

*The following is a description of my friend's 1989 560 SEC coupe.  The car
is located in Chevy Chase, MD and has been always garaged and well cared
for.  I can provide photos - if you're interested please email me off list.*

Up for sale is a beautiful example of one of the nicest coupes
Mercedes-Benz has ever produced.

It is a two-owner 1989 560 SEC with original 108,000 low, pampered miles
(under 5 K. miles/year).

This 560 SEC spent its entire life in the Washington, DC area. It has been
well serviced and maintained all its life, with plenty of records and
documentation. Everything works like it should with no known issues.
Steering box replaced and no rattling shifter bushings.

The motor runs smooth and powerful, and the transmission shifts very
smoothly. The cosmetic condition is also superb.

All chrome parts look very nice without any dull spots.The interior is in
above average condition with just normal signs of wear and tear. It is a
non-smoker car with no unusual odors at all.

If you are in the market for a great 560 SEC with a very reasonable price,
this is the one!

Feel free to call nnn-nnn- with any questions you might have.
*Price: *$9,900 obo.

*Extra Notes *

The late 1980s were a good time for Mercedes, the strength of the dollar
pushing orders and production to record-breaking levels. The byproduct of
that success was a zealous and well-funded R department that helped
Mercedes carry on their reputation for perpetual technological advancement
and the highest possible build-quality. That quality is immediately
apparent from behind the wheel of this car. Smooth, powerful and abundantly
stable and balanced, it's hard to imagine a more comfortable,
driver-friendly car despite its 27 years. Cutting edge in 1989, the W126
model SEC fulfilled and still fulfills all of the core requirements of a
flagship luxury coupe, making the advancements of the subsequent quarter
decade seem like unnecessary window-dressing. Buyers had to pay for the
privilege of owning these cars, with the original sticker price being
nearly $83k. Adjusting for inflation, that's more that $160k in today's
money.

The car's design is entirely representative of its “top-of-the-line”
exclusivity. Big, bold and 1980's angular, the car embodies a practical
strength while still remaining elegant and well proportioned. This is only
enhanced by the timelessly clean Black-on-Black, which is in very good
condition, commensurate with the car's low, well-looked-after mileage.
Marred only by minor imperfections to the paint (none of which are
significant enough to detract from the car's overall appeal or even appear
in the pictures), the car's tank-like body is in excellent condition, and
retaining factory consistent gaps and panel fits.

The car's interior is equally as clean, the tasteful black leather seats
exhibiting only the slightest amount of wear and the interior carpets and
panels all flawless. The dash is free of cracks or warping and the control
console houses fully functioning switchgear and gauges. The power sunroof,
power seats, heated seats, power windows, air conditioning, temperature
controls and Alpine 12 CD Changer and Cassette Player all function
properly. All of the glass, rubber and chrome is in good shape. The new
alloy wheels are beautiful, and they're wrapped in top Michelin tires with
plenty of remaining tread.

The car is also mechanically sound, the engine starting without hesitation,
idling smoothly and pulling strongly through each of the transmission's
gears. Road manners are top notch, as are handling and braking, and the car
is comfortable whether tooling through town running errands or bombing down
the highway. Built for the Autobahn, the tried and true M117 5.6L V8 engine
leaps into action when asked, providing trademark Mercedes torque and
pulling the car quickly from 50mph to 100mph. And because of its stability
and smooth suspension, it's not an uncommon experience to look down at the
speedometer and realize that you're traveling significantly faster than you
thought. Having spent its life garaged and never exposed to the elements,
the car's undercarriage is completely rust-free and solid. Upholstered in
unmolested carpeting, the expansive trunk houses an unused full size spare
tire and the car's original tools, and the car comes with its original
owner's manual, books and three original keys.

This is a great opportunity to acquire a gorgeous, low mileage and
mechanically excellent example of one of Mercedes' most impressive models.
With a vast majority of the 560SECs produced having been driven into the
ground, finding clean, low mileage examples is uncommon today and ever more
so. It's our opinion that because of their timeless 

Re: [MBZ] ?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Perhaps you can help with a translation:

"Be sure to short pressure S/W. otherwise Low pressure S/W detect low 
pressure skete and stops the compressor."


My split system quit cooling last night, the head units are blinking 
which I think (if my Korenglish is working) means the refrigerant is 
low.  My HVAC guy is slammed but says he'll come tomorrow which will be OK.


I am thinking I need to get the "license" and watch what he does then 
just buy a gauge set and a tank of gas and do my own topping off every 
year.  Actually I have watched and it is pretty much just getting enough 
in for the pressures to come up properly.


These mini-splits are great but there are on my system 16 connections (2 
at each head unit and 8 on the outside unit) so the probability of even 
a very tiny leak is fairly high, and those compression connections are 
somewhat problematic even when being very careful on the connections.  
This charge has lasted since Nov '14 so that is not bad, considering.


--R


On 7/12/16 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I don't see it that way at all.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:49 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Eyep.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yep.


On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:22 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

Yep

WS

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I'm not sure how FIOS (Verizon's fiber-based service) is provisioned to 
the house, if you actually have a fiber drop at your interface or what, 
but "fiber running down the street" might be the trunk line that goes 
into the switch in your area, from there it goes out copper to your 
house, and depending on how far you are from the switch it might not be 
possible to get DSL (or Uverse VOIP/intertubes).  I have a switch just a 
coupla hundred yards from the (copper) terminal on the road at the end 
of the driveway, then maybe 1000ft of copper to the house from that. 
There is a fiber line running along the road too but it does not go to 
houses.


I got Uverse a coupla years ago for phone and intertubes, had one modem 
fail which they fixed and then tried to charge me for.  I got the 
"introductory" rate which they tried to jack up by 50% last year, I 
threatened to quit so they reinstituted the rate again.  It's all a 
racket no matter which you get.


When the zombie apocalypse or the Sword of Allah falls I think your 
friends might be Mr. Browning, Ruger, Smitth, Wesson, etc. rather than 
AT  And CB raddiddios (stored in a metal can) good buddy.


--JC



On 7/12/16 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

"If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
uverse or something?"

Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.

Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Huh?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes.

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Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I'd pull off the door panel and short the wires to the motor and see if 
you can get any motion.  If so then the switches are probably dirty or 
hot or something.


Did you CHANGE YOUR FUSES?

--JC


On 7/11/16 8:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to
lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in.
Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I
went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the
passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the
console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down.
The door switch acts the same.
So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so
I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Pickup truck

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

How about one of these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QQlIToc6U

It looks quite dangerous

--JC


On 7/11/16 9:29 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-eight-obscure-pickup-trucks-are-vintage-design-classics/ar-AAhOj5T?li=BBnb7Kz#page=8
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[MBZ] Raspi Dashcam

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/07/08/diy-dashboard-camera-dashcam-with-raspberry-pi-and-pubnub-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Pickup truck

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I really like the lines on that

--JC


On 7/10/16 8:59 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/these-eight-obscure-pickup-trucks-are-vintage-design-classics/ar-AAhOj5T?li=BBnb7Kz#page=8




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Re: [MBZ] This thing is so cheap now I might have to go look at it

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

has been known to last up to 1,000,000 miles


On 7/10/16 10:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


DIESEL!!! 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5649687422.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Junker Car pR0n, MB content

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Kaleb will one day be vindicated

http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/youtubes-amazing-old-start-cold-start-videos-show-heroe-1783417292

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Re: [MBZ] Never seen snow you say?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Breaks and tires are in very good condition.


On 7/10/16 10:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Somebody swapped the trunk badges on this POS.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-Mercedes-W115-/112052010614?forcerrptr=true=item1a16d1fe76:g:g68AAOSwv9FXgSlR=112052010614

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Re: [MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Car smokes.  From the smell it is oil.

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:59 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?

I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am going 
to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If it went to 
a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz bum could put a 
new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, put in a good radiator 
and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance auction SL showed up, parts 
would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap over.  Maaco paint job after you 
sand the dead paint and it would be a two footer instead of a 10 footer.




clay

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I bought a big (the biggest) Samsung top-french-door, bottom drawer 
fridge about 1.5 yr ago, I think it is like 33cuft.  The bottom ice 
maker quit working about 9 months ago, guy came and determined the fill 
tube had cracked and frozen up, replaced that and it started making ice 
again.  This was just some little plastic tube about a foot long.  But 
it goes on strike every few days and I have to hit the reset button on 
the ice maker to get it to cycle and start making ice again.  The 
adverts say it can make up to 10lb ice a day, that is more like 10lb/wk 
if it keeps working.  The top maker that feeds the door seems to work 
OK, I think I only had to recycle it once when it ran out of ice in the 
drawer.  The bottom ice maker is now starting to get wonky again, I 
might call them soon and have them come and replace it.


The top ice maker holds maybe 5lb of ice, the bottom is just a big tray 
under the maker that the ice dumps in then slides out when you pull out 
the drawer.


The fridge part is kinda nice except to get the bottom meat drawer open 
(it is as wide as the  interior) you have to open both doors.  There are 
2 1/2 drawers for vegs, you can open them either side with just that 
door open.


The guy who came said they have a lot of problems with the Samsungs and 
LGs and whatnot, none of them are very high quality these days and 
probably won't last that long as they use small motors and compressors 
to get the energy ratings but since they are running flat out they wear 
out fast.  Plus that fill tube issue was a common one, go figure a $3 
part fails like that so easy.


I bought the extended warranty, 3 years I think, so I am covered another 
1.5yr.


My SIL has a Bosch fridge though it is not that big and is a 
side-by-side, but it is a nice unit.


I was going to put a dedicated ice maker in my new kitchen but my wife 
had a fit about it for some reason I could not understand. Last weekend 
we had a bunch of people here, and of course ran out of ice in about 2 
hours.  Sent the kids to get a coupla bags, my wife remarked we needed a 
bigger ice maker... duh ya think?  I think that is the way to go, put 
one in your shed and have as much as you want.


--R


On 7/9/16 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the 
ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water 
jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to 
work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back 
up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I 
get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then 
we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the 
morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of 
days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads 
me to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the 
slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has 
dual ice makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom 
freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it 
would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending 
to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they 
are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody 
have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online 
reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an 
advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] Don't see one of these every day...

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

That is actually pretty cool.  Vinyl wrap I would guess.  Easily removable

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A work of art.  $100K?

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://i.imgur.com/DVXArCk.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

They are quite durable, though molten metal can render them inop

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I read that it cost $100K.  Disposable??

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC



On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what
was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and
explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.


http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to
kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
wrote:

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of
others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote
detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more
whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send
robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music,
whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to
trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat
to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend
themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

For you they would make an exception.

--JC


On 7/8/16 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Are they available for civilians?

On Jul 8, 2016 6:14 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC


On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what
was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and
explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.


http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to
kill him?
    On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
wrote:

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of
others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote
detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more
whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send
robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music,
whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to
trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat
to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend
themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).

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Re: [MBZ] New DNA 'hard drive' could keep files intact for millions of years

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/time-shards/

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On 7/8/16 7:22 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

There was an old Asimov story, “Nightfall”?  that had a planet where the sun 
never went down for something akin to 500 years.  Article in today’s paper has 
a planet found with three suns.  No night for hundreds of years and takes 550 
years to orbit the main star.  Pretty cool.

clay



On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

I recall reading a sci-fi story about a guy who dug up an old clay pot and 
noticed it had some minute squiggles on it from some instrument used to turn it 
or shape it or something, and decided to see if it worked like a record, so 
rigged up some device and found some snippets of recorded speech.  That's all I 
remember, it was a great idea for a story though.

--JC


On 7/8/16 11:32 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Gerry wrote:

...have managed to write data directly onto DNA...

Good!
Who will keep the drives so the data can be recovered?
Who has 5.35" floppy drive for me to purchase? including software for
my super computer to manage.
Format and very long life? - fine, but who cares and who will have the
proper knowledge to recover/read the data a generation from now?
Has anyone here at okiebenz ever operated wax cylinder recorder?
The Winding Stream was an interesting documentary about A.P. Carter,
Sara, Maybelle - American Roots country music - again, another storage
media, i.e. 78rpm that is essentially unobtanium.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC


On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.

http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns 
out not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone, 
etc.) so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from 
him or the useful idiots.


--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe, deliver 
tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within sight and 
smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white people, 
and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to protect all 
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Re: [MBZ] New DNA 'hard drive' could keep files intact for millions of years

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I recall reading a sci-fi story about a guy who dug up an old clay pot 
and noticed it had some minute squiggles on it from some instrument used 
to turn it or shape it or something, and decided to see if it worked 
like a record, so rigged up some device and found some snippets of 
recorded speech.  That's all I remember, it was a great idea for a story 
though.


--JC


On 7/8/16 11:32 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Gerry wrote:

...have managed to write data directly onto DNA...

Good!
Who will keep the drives so the data can be recovered?
Who has 5.35" floppy drive for me to purchase? including software for
my super computer to manage.
Format and very long life? - fine, but who cares and who will have the
proper knowledge to recover/read the data a generation from now?
Has anyone here at okiebenz ever operated wax cylinder recorder?
The Winding Stream was an interesting documentary about A.P. Carter,
Sara, Maybelle - American Roots country music - again, another storage
media, i.e. 78rpm that is essentially unobtanium.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] New DNA 'hard drive' could keep files intact for millions of years

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Sculley had a serial number in her alien DNA that the CSM put in her

--JC


On 7/8/16 10:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:50:24 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:


Researchers at the University of Washington (UW) and Microsoft have
managed to write data directly onto DNA, a format with dramatic storage
densities and a very long life.

The team wrote 200MB onto strands of synthetic DNA, including video
footage of the band OK Go, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in
more than 100 languages, the top 100 books of Project Gutenberg and the
Crop Trust's seed database. They were then able to successfully read
back the data using error correction code developed by Microsoft, and
could do so again long in the futuresnip

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/microsoft_dna_storage/

This will make it harder for people to say that human DNA does not
contain information coded by an intelligent being.


Craig

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[MBZ] 1994 Mercedes Benz Rare Luxury S350 Sedan (3.4L) Turbo Diesel - $5800 (charleston)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5672742003.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Russian GPS

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Tina Fey said she could

--JC


On 7/8/16 10:22 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

I know that if it is looking for Russian satellites then they are probably
beyond the curvature of the Earth and not reachable from where you are.
Unless you are in Alaska, of course, apparently you can see Russia from the
front porch there.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Alles.

I have a cheap dash-cam with radar detection and GPS.

The part is, of course, Chinese and the brief instructions are in english
from chinese via russian.

The unit seems to work OK with good video and the announcement of radar
detection every so often in fractured english. The GPS, (Russian I am
assuming), does not indicate on screen.

Does anyone here know anything about the russian satellite navigation
system? Idle curiosity at work.

TIA.

Fred.



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[MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

"Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the scene in 
a black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a 
camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high rate 
of speed'."


Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be an 
"acceleration") this association is disturbing.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Russian GPS

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

GLONASS, similar to US GPS but different receivers etc.  I recall from 
some time ago (might not be an accurate recollection) that it is not as 
precise as US "open" GPS.


--JC


On 7/8/16 10:14 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Alles.

I have a cheap dash-cam with radar detection and GPS.

The part is, of course, Chinese and the brief instructions are in english from 
chinese via russian.

The unit seems to work OK with good video and the announcement of radar 
detection every so often in fractured english. The GPS, (Russian I am 
assuming), does not indicate on screen.

Does anyone here know anything about the russian satellite navigation system? 
Idle curiosity at work.

TIA.

Fred.



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Re: [MBZ] Too bad it's a 280

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

ran when parked

--JC


On 7/7/16 9:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

But I still may have to buy it.

74 Mercedes 280
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5670313645.html

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Re: [MBZ] mbnorthlakeparts.com has change ....

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

MB Northlake is a Hendrick bidness.  We bought an ML there 1.5yr ago. I 
have no idea what the parts aspect is like as I have not bought anything 
from them.


--JC


On 7/7/16 5:25 PM, hursley--- via Mercedes wrote:

I did ordered from them about 2 months ago. Today
I tried to log in and it went to parts.com   So, if any
of you like to continue using parts.com, I don't know
what to say as I have not dealt with them.

Anyway, I happen to hold the old receipt and gave them
a call. The number is same but owned by Hendrick Autos
of Charlotte with the same web page. And the new web site
is mercedesbenzpartsnow.com  I will be ordering some parts
soon, like next week.

BTW credits goes to you all to help me find MB oem parts at
discount.

K.S.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: No one's smoking it anymore

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

You would need filters on the engines to cut down on tar that could clog 
them up


--JC


On 7/7/16 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Farmers turn tobacco into jet fuelPublished: Thursday, July 7, 2016

As demand for tobacco goes down, farmers have had to adapt to stay in
business. And some are finding a new use for the crop as aviation biofuel.

Robert Mills of Briar View Farms in Callands, Va., hopes the shift will
help him turn a profit.

"With the uncertainty of tobacco, growers are always looking for new
opportunities," he said.

For over six years, Tyton BioEnergy Systems has partnered with tobacco
growers and agronomists from Virginia Tech and North Carolina State
University to research and better understand the potential for converting
tobacco into fuel.

Mills contracts with this agency for the 2 acres of tobacco he grows for
biofuel.

"There is a lot of land not being used in tobacco regions that isn't good
for growing row crops," said Tyton co-founder Peter Majeranowski. "Instead
of growing low-value crops like hay, farmers can earn more revenue per acre
growing 'energy tobacco'" (Jodi Helmer, London *Guardian*
,
July 6). *-- CS*
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Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

So, what you're saying is you couldn't get started?

--JC


On 7/7/16 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was overcome by a 
sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.

Hope you are all well and happy.

Fred.


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[MBZ] That'll buff right out

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/5671209451.html


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I also noticed that some of the facts presented by Comey in his 
non-indictment rationale related to "misspeaking" about certain matters, 
both to the FBI, Congress, and the American people.


If I am not mistaken that could be called "perjury."

--JC


On 7/5/16 8:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Then you're saying Hillary should have been indicted using the "letter of the law"? Technically, 
perhaps, but Hillary is a presidential candidate, and since her "crime" was due to unintentional 
sloppiness, indicting her would probably cause even more criticism of Trump. The whole thing is obviously 
just a politically motivated "tempest in a tea pot"; common during elections. Will it help 
Trump/hurt Hillary? Time will tell.
  
  
~~~

Joel Cairo wrote:

The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the
appropriate agency to do so.

I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey,
who said they pretty much compromised classified information by
sloppiness or "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and
devices that likely got hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of
evidence of wrongdoing.  Those are all criminal violations of the
Espionage Act and should have been turned over to a US Attorney for
presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for an indictment.

Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty
clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross
negligence," you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other
portions of the law, but not the one I cited below.

--JC


On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to court by using the 
legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was unintentional. It 
stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the plaintiffs lawyer decided not to 
sue; possibly because he thought the judge would invoke the principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon which a 
judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal Civil Procedure or state 
rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could "clear" 
Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the campaign?  H.
   


On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
for an indictment.

Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.

--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Fun times at Walmart

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Clearly Trumpsters

--JC


On 7/6/16 1:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Sad part is, these people vote.

Rick
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Moral:  Be careful whose dress you criticize while shopping at El
Mercado de Wal

http://nypost.com/2016/07/06/4-arrested-after-30-person-brawl-at-wal-mart/

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[MBZ] OT Fun times at Walmart

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Moral:  Be careful whose dress you criticize while shopping at El 
Mercado de Wal


http://nypost.com/2016/07/06/4-arrested-after-30-person-brawl-at-wal-mart/

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a non turbo 603?

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I didn't just put it on a stand for nothing..


On 7/5/16 11:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


6cyl Mercedes diesel
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

"Gross negligence" is a lower bar; whereas, "intent" in the other parts 
of the law are a bit more of a challenge to prove in that it would have 
to be shown that the point of the exercise was not just "convenience" 
but to actually actively deliver classified info to a foreign power 
(though that could have happened through active convenient "gross 
negligence").


So, generally, even if you are too stupid or lazy to actually carry 
through with contacting a foreign power, if you just leave stuff around 
(like on unsecured servers and various devices) for anyone to see you 
are guilty of gross negligence.  Not to even consider sending it flying 
all over the innertubes on various devices...


Then there is the aspect of copying all that stuff to a flash drive and 
giving it to your lawyer, who has no security clearance, to be 
"reviewed" and stored in an office safe which is not a secure facility 
and likely accessible to a variety of (non-cleared) people.  It seems 
that just by trying to deal with the whole controversy, many more laws 
were broken wrt to protection of classified information.


Then there is the aspect of telling your people to go into a SCIF and 
collect info, copy it somehow (somehow!), and strip off the 
classification markings, and send it in the clear, per a direct email 
from Herself.


   (g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing
   provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any
   act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to
   such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the
   offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

Move along...

--JC



On 7/5/16 7:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

At some point, intent becomes Prima Facia based on the resulting actions.
ie... "I accidentally robbed that bank." vs the argument "I accidentally
robbed those 80 banks."

In this investigation.. the sheer volume of mis-deeds constitutes intent.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the
appropriate agency to do so.

I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey, who
said they pretty much compromised classified information by sloppiness or
"carelessness," using multiple personal servers and devices that likely got
hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of evidence of wrongdoing.
Those are all criminal violations of the Espionage Act and should have been
turned over to a US Attorney for presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for
an indictment.

Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty
clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross negligence,"
you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other portions of the
law, but not the one I cited below.

--JC



On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:


My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to
court by using the legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was
unintentional. It stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the
plaintiffs lawyer decided not to sue; possibly because he thought the judge
would invoke the principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon
which a judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal
Civil Procedure or state rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could
"clear" Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the
campaign?  H.
   


On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:


I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
for an indictment.

Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.

--JC

On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Better tell the FBI really fast!

On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or

control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance,

Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in, Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I had 4 parked here these last few days, I heard some rumblings the last 
coupla nights


--JC


On 7/5/16 7:53 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Can't be me. I only have 6 of those MBs here.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:04:53 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 

I hear there is another fault being generated in Florida.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the 
appropriate agency to do so.


I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey, 
who said they pretty much compromised classified information by 
sloppiness or "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and 
devices that likely got hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of 
evidence of wrongdoing.  Those are all criminal violations of the 
Espionage Act and should have been turned over to a US Attorney for 
presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for an indictment.


Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty 
clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross 
negligence," you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other 
portions of the law, but not the one I cited below.


--JC


On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to court by using the 
legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was unintentional. It 
stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the plaintiffs lawyer decided not to 
sue; possibly because he thought the judge would invoke the principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon which a 
judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal Civil Procedure or state 
rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could "clear" 
Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the campaign?  H.
  
~~~~~~~~

On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
for an indictment.

Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.

--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight
Giles
via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of
July
in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of 
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an 
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a 
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask for 
an indictment.


Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation) and 
Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is only 
poor people who can't get justice in the US.


--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles
via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July
in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control 
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, 
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, 
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) 
through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper 
place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to 
be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that 
the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or 
delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, 
abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, 
theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, 
or both.



On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an 
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is beyond 
me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a person of 
intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dwight Giles via Mercedes 

Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.

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Re: [MBZ] What do you all think about this?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

What did he want, $5k or $6k?

--JC


On 7/5/16 1:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My friend wants to sell his 1989 560 sec , black on black, 10 miles.
Two owners and always garaged. Interested? He lives in Maryland.
On Jul 5, 2016 12:30 PM, "Donald Snook via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Beautiful car on the outside.  But, the interior shows every one of the
180,000 miles.   Too bad, too.  I have always thought the 126 coupes were
beautiful cars.

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Dwight Giles [mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] What do you all think about this?

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bar/5638583135.html
What years were the 560 double chain issue?
Other?
Thanks
Dwight

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

We have a friend who lives in Chester!

--JC


On 7/5/16 12:05 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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