Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Curt Raymond]

Nothin wrong with it at all but given the choice 5w40 is usually cheaper as its 
not "EP" which they get a premium for...

I prefer the 15w50 in my Cub Cadet as it burns a little less but still starts 
good in the cold. Considering it doesn't get all that cold where you live I 
wouldn't worry about it.

I've found out lately that my 240D WILL start with 15w40 conventional (Delvac 
1300) oil all the way down to 2F. I used a short extension cord to plug in one 
day (because my wife can't seem to remember that the 240D HAS TO BE PARKED IN 
FRONT OF THE GARAGE) which apparently doesn't work so I had no preheat. The car 
defanately didn't want to start but I patiently explained (while keeping the 
starter grinding) that failure was not an option... It didn't like it but it 
went.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:18:12 -0500
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights
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Well I get meet of the two -62 but no Meijer's. Only FLAPS and Evil W.
Is the 15w50 EP that bad? I used It in my other 240D for about 70K miles and
had an oil test on the 300D 2.5 that looked very good after 13K miles-right
Larry?

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Curt Raymond]

I've been watching Autozone and stocking up when they have the 5 quart and a 
filter sale. I get a filter to fit the Ranger and Speedee gives me $5 off when 
I get the oil changed for that (I like our local Speedee, if they carried Mobil 
1 5w40 I'd use them for my MBs too). I think its $25 for 5 quarts and a filter 
and with Autozone rewards every 5th $20 purchase gets me a $20 gift card...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:59:47 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.

Here in the Great Lakes states, Meijer sells it in gallons for $18.99. First 
Monday of the month is Senior Day, 15% off if you bring a 62 year old with you 
to checkout. $16.14 a gallon isn't bad.

Mitch.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Peter Frederick]

Actually, there USED to be just such a federal rule.  Don't know what  
happened to it, but bumper height used to be regulated.


It would be VERY nice to have truck headlamps at normal automobile  
height -- as it is now, they are usually just exactly the right  
position to blind me from behind in the rear view mirror.


But then I'm just an old grouch, what would I know?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[R A Bennell]

I have often thought that all vehicles should be required to have their 
headlights at the same height. That might
mean that trucks had the lights under the front bumper and sports cars might 
need to have some sort of hide away
device that elevated them when on, but I cannot help but think there would be 
less of a blinding issue for oncoming
drivers if they were all at the same height. There would be some difference I 
guess given that a highway tractor
driver is sitting up much higher than a sports car driver, but that would just 
help the trucker a bit more than the
fellow in the low vehicle.

Also think bumpers should all be the same height and trucks should have side 
guards to prevent cars from going
under on a side impact.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of John Robbins
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


Allan Streib wrote:
> So why do so many of the cars I see with projector lights absolutely
> blind me with glare at night, whilst conventional headlights do not?

I'm not sure...  All those blue/purple/etc lights you see are in
reflector housings. Is the glare you seeing coming off the road surface
or just general 'the headlight is too bloody bright' glare?

One thing about good projectors is they will seem to "flash" you when
they go over a bump since the cut-off is so sharp.  If you're below the
cutoff line (they're pointed up enough going over a slight hill or
something), they will be very bright.  Non-projector headlights have a
more gradual cutoff so they won't get as bright as quickly as you go
below the cut-off line.

My biggest complaint about lights in the US is that pickup trucks don't
have self leveling lights!!  Inspections that checked adjustment would
be pretty cool too.

John

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rusty Cullens]

Shipping to you would be $11.00 for 2 liters.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights



I was talking about the Mobil 1 truck turbo diesel that Curt mentioned.
Shipping on oil would be prohibitive-yes?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

I have Lubro Moly synthetic 5w40 for $41.00 for 5 liters.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 

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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights



I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
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Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-


correct - that's what I intended -
;-)

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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use
15w50



(doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I was talking about the Mobil 1 truck turbo diesel that Curt mentioned.
Shipping on oil would be prohibitive-yes?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

I have Lubro Moly synthetic 5w40 for $41.00 for 5 liters.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


>I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
>
>
> correct - that's what I intended -
> ;-)
>
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>
>
> --
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:21 PM
> To: "Diesel List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights
>
>> I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use 
>> 15w50
>
>> (doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Well I get meet of the two -62 but no Meijer's. Only FLAPS and Evil W.
Is the 15w50 EP that bad? I used It in my other 240D for about 70K miles and
had an oil test on the 300D 2.5 that looked very good after 13K miles-right
Larry?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:00 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.

Here in the Great Lakes states, Meijer sells it in gallons for $18.99. First

Monday of the month is Senior Day, 15% off if you bring a 62 year old with
you 
to checkout. $16.14 a gallon isn't bad.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Mitch Haley]

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.


Here in the Great Lakes states, Meijer sells it in gallons for $18.99. First 
Monday of the month is Senior Day, 15% off if you bring a 62 year old with you 
to checkout. $16.14 a gallon isn't bad.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rusty Cullens]

I have Lubro Moly synthetic 5w40 for $41.00 for 5 liters.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights



I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-


correct - that's what I intended -
;-)

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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:21 PM
To: "Diesel List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use 
15w50



(doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I can't seem to find silly name 5w40 so I use 15w50 EP in both of mine.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:21 PM
To: "Diesel List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

> I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use 15w50

> (doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[LarryT]

correct - that's what I intended -
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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:21 PM
To: "Diesel List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use 15w50 
(doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.


-Curt

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:09:30 -0500
From: "LarryT" 
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Rich asked: <>

What's the matter Rich?  Getting tired reading about Stern and Tiawanese
lights??  ;-)

Diesel - 15W40 Mobil 1 Diesel and Truck oil
Gas - Mobil 1 - weight depends on the year and engine.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Curt Raymond]

I didn't know they had a name, my folk's Jeep Libertys have 'em and they're 
terrible offroad...

I hate 'em, I vastly prefer the gradual cutoff of light.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:10:40 -0800
From: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights
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> So why do so many of the cars I see with projector lights absolutely
> blind me with glare at night, whilst conventional headlights do not?

Because projector lights are the worst things ever.
They are cheap, and they are small.  Both advantageous
in an econo-shoe-box design!  They have a high luminous
flux density, directly opposed to decades of good lighting
design experience.  This magnifies flaws in the aiming and
cutoff, and makes for a bright point-source effect which
adds to glare.  They are, one could say, an extremely selfish
light design.  The general public has adopted them as a
style statement, more's the pity.

See, I have opinions too!

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Curt Raymond]

I think you mean Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck" although I'll use 15w50 
(doesn't have a silly name) in a pinch.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:09:30 -0500
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Rich asked: <>

What's the matter Rich?  Getting tired reading about Stern and Tiawanese 
lights??  ;-)

Diesel - 15W40 Mobil 1 Diesel and Truck oil
Gas - Mobil 1 - weight depends on the year and engine.

LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Peter Frederick]

Better to put the filter on the headlamp, not the driver.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Peter Frederick]

Color perception varies quite a bit, even if most people don't  
qualify as color blind.  I've been tested repeatedly, and have zero  
defect color vision (which says nothing about detail perception, at  
which I'm in bad shape!), and I also seem to see further into the  
blue/near UV than most people.  Hence I see violets or purples where  
most other people see blue -- this has been quite a discussion on the  
fountain pen boards.  One ink in particular if flaming purple to me,  
and pure blue to others.


Another problem with the "projection" lamps is that they don't,  
obviously, have the shield over the filament (other other light  
source) that removes the stray light coming off the source at an  
acute angle to the edge of the lamp (read glare).  This is why, of  
course, there is a shield at the front of the lamp in "reflector"  
systems.  No light coming directly off the filament into the eyes of  
the opposing driver off axis.  Projector systems produce enough glare  
to annoy me in the daytime on the other side of a divided 4-lane and  
a simply blind me at night.  Yeah, my contacts need to be replaced  
due to scratching, but even with my glasses on (or off, for that  
matter) point source unshielded lamps are a pain. Street lights are a  
hassle, too.


Just my $.02.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Redghost]

Lucas makes a fairly useful lubricant

clay

On Dec 19, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:


Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool  
probably

hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message  
of the

moment.

as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero,  
i could
not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing  
with an
unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for  
the group
the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic  
and

someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.

instead of treating it the same way that one would treat  
information on,
say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious  
personal

attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even  
for you
dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with  
regards to
the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely  
ineducable.




On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:



Dieselhead wrote:

Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists  
that



stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
participants of this list who say they have bought lights from  
stern for

their MB.


I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the  
old DOT

lights.
I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126  
Euros
that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that  
Stern has no
ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a  
headlamp
for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with  
Stern for
explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying  
yes/no and

letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Allan Streib]

Peter Frederick  writes:

> The dispersion is different, and so is the light source.  Those HID
> lamps produce a very large amount of blue and near UV, and some
> people see it.  Very intense, much too bright for highway use, and I
> find them extremely annoying even in daylight.
>
> Most people don't see the near UV, and don't see the intense purple
> off beam and don't find them as annoying as I do.
>
> They need better optics, side glare suppression, and a near UV filter.


Hm... is there such a thing as clear UV filtering glasses that could be
used at night to mitigate this?  Those "yellow" blu-blockers any good?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rick Knoble]

From: "Peter Frederick" 

Most people don't see the near UV, and don't see the intense purple  off 
beam and don't find them as annoying as I do.


I didn't know that. It explains why I am so annoyed with those lights and 
most people like them.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Allan Streib]

John Robbins  writes:

> I'm not sure...  All those blue/purple/etc lights you see are in
> reflector housings. Is the glare you seeing coming off the road
> surface or just general 'the headlight is too bloody bright' glare?

I'd say, it's just an extremely bright light in a very pinpoint area.
Something about it... I don't know, I find it very distracting and
blinding.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Peter Frederick]

The dispersion is different, and so is the light source.  Those HID  
lamps produce a very large amount of blue and near UV, and some  
people see it.  Very intense, much too bright for highway use, and I  
find them extremely annoying even in daylight.


Most people don't see the near UV, and don't see the intense purple  
off beam and don't find them as annoying as I do.


They need better optics, side glare suppression, and a near UV filter.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Fmiser]

> > OK Don wrote:
> > My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have
> > a turbo Diesel!

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
> you want to put a diesel in everything.  Geez. 

Why _not_ have a diesel in everything? *grin*

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[OK Don]

Yup - let's see, Diesel - 33mpg vs. vergasser 18 mpg. Diesel goes clatta
clatta clatta ---  what more coulld you want? Well - a bigger Diesel,
perhaps!

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> you want to put a diesel in everything.  Geez.
>
>
> OK Don wrote:
>
>> My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have a turbo
>> Diesel!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dieselhead]

Careful Jim.  The list (and wristwatch) nazi will start flaming you!




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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dieselhead]

Ja, Kaleb should put that on up on his list of famous quotes.


Kaleb, et al.
"You want to put a diesel in everything."
I've put that up on my desk notice board.
Still giggling.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:55 AM 12/19/2009, you wrote:

you want to put a diesel in everything.  Geez.

OK Don wrote:

My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have a turbo Diesel!



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Jim Cathey]

My biggest complaint about lights in the US is that pickup trucks 
don't have self leveling lights!!


If the trucks had self-leveling suspensions they wouldn't
need special lights.  They'd ride better, too!  They'd
even brake better, if the rear proportioning valve was
hooked to the suspension pressure.  (It's hooked to the
suspension position on my truck.  It _has_ to squat in
order to get full braking when loaded.  Bleah.)

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Jim Cathey]

So why do so many of the cars I see with projector lights absolutely
blind me with glare at night, whilst conventional headlights do not?


Because projector lights are the worst things ever.
They are cheap, and they are small.  Both advantageous
in an econo-shoe-box design!  They have a high luminous
flux density, directly opposed to decades of good lighting
design experience.  This magnifies flaws in the aiming and
cutoff, and makes for a bright point-source effect which
adds to glare.  They are, one could say, an extremely selfish
light design.  The general public has adopted them as a
style statement, more's the pity.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[John Robbins]

Allan Streib wrote:

So why do so many of the cars I see with projector lights absolutely
blind me with glare at night, whilst conventional headlights do not?


I'm not sure...  All those blue/purple/etc lights you see are in 
reflector housings. Is the glare you seeing coming off the road surface 
or just general 'the headlight is too bloody bright' glare?


One thing about good projectors is they will seem to "flash" you when 
they go over a bump since the cut-off is so sharp.  If you're below the 
cutoff line (they're pointed up enough going over a slight hill or 
something), they will be very bright.  Non-projector headlights have a 
more gradual cutoff so they won't get as bright as quickly as you go 
below the cut-off line.


My biggest complaint about lights in the US is that pickup trucks don't 
have self leveling lights!!  Inspections that checked adjustment would 
be pretty cool too.


John

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Allan Streib]

John Robbins  writes:

> They are really quite good.  I've never seen a reflector based housing
> have as nice of a cut-off as a projector, but the cheap euro's I
> bought for my 2.5T come pretty close to my stock CDI projectors.

So why do so many of the cars I see with projector lights absolutely
blind me with glare at night, whilst conventional headlights do not?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[John Robbins]

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

So, my conclusion about these knock-offs:  If you don't care about how they
light up the road so much as how they look, then buy em!  I'm sure they're
not that bad.  And they're probably better than the 20 year old euro-lights
you'll get off eBay in germany that should have gone to the recycler.


They are really quite good.  I've never seen a reflector based housing 
have as nice of a cut-off as a projector, but the cheap euro's I bought 
for my 2.5T come pretty close to my stock CDI projectors.


:-)

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Frederick W Moir]

Kaleb, et al.
"You want to put a diesel in everything."
I've put that up on my desk notice board.
Still giggling.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:55 AM 12/19/2009, you wrote:

you want to put a diesel in everything.  Geez.

OK Don wrote:

My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have a turbo Diesel!



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[LarryT]

Rich asked: <>

What's the matter Rich?  Getting tired reading about Stern and Tiawanese 
lights??  ;-)


Diesel - 15W40 Mobil 1 Diesel and Truck oil
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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:06 AM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?

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Gary Hurst wrote:
the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool 
probably

hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message of the
moment.

as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero, i 
could

not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing with an
unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for the 
group

the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic and
someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.

instead of treating it the same way that one would treat information on,
say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious personal
attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even for you
dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with regards to
the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely 
ineducable.




On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:



Dieselhead wrote:

 Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists that


stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern 
for

their MB.



I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the old DOT
lights.
I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126 Euros
that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that Stern 
has no
ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a 
headlamp

for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with Stern for
explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying yes/no 
and

letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Bradpenn.  You must be from Western NY or something. I drive by that  
refinery in Bradford PA at least. 3-4 times per year.  Is that stuff  
any good?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> my preference in general for gassers is either bradpenn or valvoline  
> vr1.
> haven't had a diesel in a while
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>>> the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool
>>> probably
>>> hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
>>> infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
>>> information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message  
>>> of the
>>> moment.
>>>
>>> as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero,  
>>> i could
>>> not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing  
>>> with an
>>> unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for  
>>> the
>>> group
>>> the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic  
>>> and
>>> someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.
>>>
>>> instead of treating it the same way that one would treat  
>>> information on,
>>> say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious  
>>> personal
>>> attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
>>> intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even  
>>> for you
>>> dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with  
>>> regards to
>>> the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely
>>> ineducable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley   
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Dieselhead wrote:

 Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst  
 insists that


> stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
> participants of this list who say they have bought lights from  
> stern for
> their MB.
>
>
>
 I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the  
 old DOT
 lights.
 I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126  
 Euros
 that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that  
 Stern has
 no
 ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a
 headlamp
 for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with  
 Stern for
 explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying  
 yes/no
 and
 letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you want to put a diesel in everything.  Geez.

OK Don wrote:

My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have a turbo Diesel!

  


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rick Knoble]

From: "Rich Thomas" 


Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?


ROTFLMAO

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[OK Don]

My thoughts as well - seems like too nice a car to not have a turbo Diesel!

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick W Moir wrote:

> Benz question. I'm contemplating putting a 2.5T  into a 300CE 90-94 (4?).
> Comments? Caveats? Ribald suggestions? I already know that I'm an idiot.
>
> --
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> others.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Frederick W Moir]

Gary, old son.
Time to take a breath, wind your watch, perhaps go out and shoot 
something furry.
Stern is probably a genius and an all around good guy. He is also a 
bit long winded and,  after trying twice to get an answer to 
something that I wanted to buy, I gave up.
Genii have their own world that only occasionally intersects ours. So 
I must bumble along as best I can with the precious resource of like 
minded bumblers. You know who you are!
Benz question. I'm contemplating putting a 2.5T  into a 300CE 90-94 
(4?). Comments? Caveats? Ribald suggestions? I already know that I'm an idiot.

Time for a good laugh! (At myself, of course!)
The ! are a tip-o'-the-hat to the Good Doktor.
Fred Moir Lynn MA
All I want for Christmas is whirled peas and no more bloody sappy 
Xmas carols, especially not old crooners.

Light, love and laughter to you all.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Peter Frederick]

I had DEPO headlights on my old 300D, and they are vastly better  
illumination than the OE DOT headlamps.  Those are so bad no one  
flashes their headlights at you if you forget to dim your high beams!


Probably not Bosch or Hella quality, but then the originals aren't  
exactly wonderful quality either, since they are plastic and all the  
tabs are breaking off.  Hella's would be nice, but at $600 each (or  
more) they are out of my price range.


I'll probably put another pair on my new 300D sooner or later, it's  
almost impossible for me to drive safely at night with the ones I have.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

my preference in general for gassers is either bradpenn or valvoline vr1.
haven't had a diesel in a while

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?
>
> --R
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool
>> probably
>> hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
>> infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
>> information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message of the
>> moment.
>>
>> as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero, i could
>> not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing with an
>> unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for the
>> group
>> the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic and
>> someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.
>>
>> instead of treating it the same way that one would treat information on,
>> say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious personal
>> attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
>> intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even for you
>> dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with regards to
>> the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely
>> ineducable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dieselhead wrote:
>>>
>>>  Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists that
>>>
>>>
 stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
 participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern for
 their MB.



>>> I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the old DOT
>>> lights.
>>> I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126 Euros
>>> that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that Stern has
>>> no
>>> ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a
>>> headlamp
>>> for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with Stern for
>>> explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying yes/no
>>> and
>>> letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rich Thomas]

Hey, who could tell me what is the best oil to use in my Benzes?

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:

the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool probably
hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message of the
moment.

as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero, i could
not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing with an
unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for the group
the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic and
someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.

instead of treating it the same way that one would treat information on,
say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious personal
attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even for you
dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with regards to
the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely ineducable.



On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

  

Dieselhead wrote:

 Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists that


stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern for
their MB.

  

I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the old DOT
lights.
I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126 Euros
that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that Stern has no
ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a headlamp
for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with Stern for
explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying yes/no and
letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

the main point stern is making is the DOT report.  this hater fool probably
hasn't even looked at that. he is upset because this list is now an
infomercial for the hero and no one has any business presenting any
information that is not supportive of the hero's immediate message of the
moment.

as for how many cheap chinese lights any of you buy from the hero, i could
not even begin to care.  my only point was that we were dealing with an
unknown quantity (taiwan knockoff euro lights) so i solicited for the group
the opinion of someone who i would consider an expert on the topic and
someone whose opinions i have always found honest and insightful.

instead of treating it the same way that one would treat information on,
say, which oil is best, the information is greeted with vicious personal
attacks.  stern accepts this hatred as typical of persons of low
intelligence with an axe to grind, but i found it disgusting even for you
dumdums.i guess i am just naive and overly optimistic with regards to
the human condition and i now see that you morons are completely ineducable.



On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dieselhead wrote:
>
>  Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists that
>> stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other
>> participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern for
>> their MB.
>>
>
> I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the old DOT
> lights.
> I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126 Euros
> that started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that Stern has no
> ax to grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a headlamp
> for a W126 or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with Stern for
> explaining why something is the way it is, instead of just saying yes/no and
> letting you wonder how he came to that conclusion.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists that 
stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other 
participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern for 
their MB.


I believe that Stern sells universal round replacements for the old DOT lights.
I do not believe that Stern sells MB specific lights like the 126 Euros that 
started this conversation. I believe Gary's point was that Stern has no ax to 
grind, because he sells nothing that can easily be used as a headlamp for a W126 
or newer car. I don't know why you'd be upset with Stern for explaining why 
something is the way it is, instead of just saying yes/no and letting you wonder 
how he came to that conclusion.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dieselhead]

My biggest complaint about Stern is that it takes him 3 pages to 
answer a question that could be answered in a sentence, or maybe a 
yes or a no.  He is entitled to his opinion, as I am entitled to have 
my own opinion.  Bosch or Hellas are good lights.  I put hella H4s in 
my 66 ford van way back...I put them in my 200D way back.  They are 
vastly better than the 6001 US sealed beam of the vintage.  Even 
though a taiwanese replacement headlight may or may not be as 
optically pure as the lights that stern sells, I believe they will be 
as good as, or better than the 20 year old OE lights.  That is all. 
It is a free market, and I could care less what anyone buys.  caveat 
empor  It is irritating to get flamed repeatedly for passing on my 
experience.


Now it seems Stern does sell lights for MB, although hurst insists 
that stern does not sell lights for MBs.  I tend to believe the other 
participants of this list who say they have bought lights from stern 
for their MB.


I do not wash my engine daily with a toothbrush.  I have driven MBs 
for 30+  years through all kinds of conditions, and punished them 
with some things a car should not have to endure.  I have probably 
somewhere between 1 million and 2 million miles of accident free 
driving, much of it in MBs.  A LOT of it has been at night and i do 
like having good headlights.  I take reasonably good care of my cars, 
but I have other things to do rather than being anal retentive about 
a 1% difference and washing the engine with a toothbrush.  I have 
found that a coating of oil and Diesel fuel helps to preserve an 
engine in the harsh climates.  I do not live in a soft place like 
Hurst.



So flame away hurst.  Dazzle us with your intelligence.



Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes
 everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?


Sure, he's a little of that maybe.  He *is* trying to sell you
something.  But in my experience he knows his stuff.  You can shop
around and try to find a good price and hope you are not buying
aftermarket crap, or you can ask Stern and probably pay more but also
get the results you wanted.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

he makes some pretty serious allegations against stern.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>
>
>  we will NOT have flaming or name calling going on here on this list.
>>  PERIOD.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rick Knoble]

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

we will NOT have flaming or name calling going on here on this list.  
PERIOD.


Thank you.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes
> everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?

Sure, he's a little of that maybe.  He *is* trying to sell you
something.  But in my experience he knows his stuff.  You can shop
around and try to find a good price and hope you are not buying
aftermarket crap, or you can ask Stern and probably pay more but also
get the results you wanted.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought they turned themselves on?

Rich Thomas wrote:

Did you turn them on first?

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rich Thomas]

Did you turn them on first?

--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I would like to complain.  They do not perform very well on my car, I 
want  a refund.


Rusty Cullens wrote:

Let's just say that I have sold 15 sets and NO ONE has complained.


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- Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes 
everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

we will NOT have flaming or name calling going on here on this list.  
PERIOD.


Gary Hurst wrote:

it's a DOT report.  stern didn't fake it.  you are a retard.  this list has
become nothing but an infomercial.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

  

 he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.

in the prior incarnations of this list, Stern did sell lights to list

members for their Mercedes.  If he quit, I don't know about that. There is
no need to flame me or anyone else, Hurst.

 I read Stearn's rants before.  I said nothing about any other vendor, just
a comment about Stern from prior experience.  Stern's rants, if applied to
cars would be like this: Stern sells Maybach. He rants on and on about how
terrible every other product is.  "If you don't buy a Maybach, you are
wasting your money."

Personally, I find driving a 20+ year old Mercedes to be a better value
(and more servicable) than buying a Maybach.  That is why i take Stern's
rants with a shaker of salt.

Yes, the OE lights are good.  Yes, some aisian knock-offs are bad. Yes,
some replacement lights are good, even though a Stern rant trashes them.
 Yes, that is my opinion, and you can buy what you want.

FWIW, in the past, I bought 7" round Hellas.  They are the only aftermarket
lights I have purchased.  I did consider buying Euro 123 lights, and when
looking at the market, i decided i would buy aftermarket, (asian) and not
buy from stern, as his prices were very high.  There are people who are very
anal retentive, and who will buy lights from stern.  (they are ones who
clean the engine with a toothbrush)  That is what the marketplace is all
about.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would like to complain.  They do not perform very well on my car, I 
want  a refund.


Rusty Cullens wrote:

Let's just say that I have sold 15 sets and NO ONE has complained.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes 
everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Michael Esh]

I am really getting tired of your inappropriate outbursts.   This is  
the last time I look at your messages or consider buying anything from  
you.


Mike

On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

nah, stern is sincere. i talk with him a lot and he strikes me as  
totally
honest in his views.  he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.  now  
you are
saying he has faked a united states department of transportation  
report to

get you to buy something from him that he doesn't even sell?  you are
ungodly stupid.

i told you i'd give you his views and i gave them.  i couldn't care  
less if

you believe him or not.  on such matters as this i defer to stern.  i
realize that this list is no longer about sharing information with  
other
mercedes owners but merely propoganda chat for the hero, but i would  
hope
that there are at least some people here still interested in expert  
views on

relevant questions

but maybe not.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>  
wrote:


Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes  
everything

unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Stern is quite a respectful guy (however, always long-long-winded when
answering simple questions).  His points are valid, and if you're looking to
be able to actually see at night, then these copy-euro-lights are probably
not the best choice.

But, I've been at this old mercedes for a while.  I've had alot of cars, and
alot of different head lights.  Original sealed beams, old Euro lights, new
OEM euro lights, and even E-code stuff from Stern.  Once upon a time I had a
240D with 500W watts of light available.  I've seen alot of cars with bad
euro lights installed by foolish owners looking for the euro look.  Rusty
reflectors, no efforts to align the beams, etc.  Some of you might remember
this from (gasp!) 9 years ago: http://www.jaimekop.com/240D/lights/

With my experience, I can make the following conclusions:

1. The cibie stuff the stern sells is excellent, and highly recommended...
I'd even go as far as saying its better then MB original euro lights.
2. Good, clean, or new MB euro lights that are properly setup work very
well.
3. As euro lights age, their usefulness can be reduced to being worse the
sealed beams.  This is why car have to replace their head lights in Germany
to pass the TÜV sometimes.  I had a euro W116 with completely worthless
original eurolights the looked pretty good on first glance.
4. Old euro lights that are not aligned properly are WORSE than sealed
halogen beams that are properly aligned.
5. I've never bought a mercedes that didn't need its head lights aligned
somewhat.
6. Maybe people install euro lights in the Mercedes because they like how
they look, not how the perform.

So, my conclusion about these knock-offs:  If you don't care about how they
light up the road so much as how they look, then buy em!  I'm sure they're
not that bad.  And they're probably better than the 20 year old euro-lights
you'll get off eBay in germany that should have gone to the recycler.

For me, my personal choice is original US lights (for the stock look) with
Cibie E code H4/H1 lights.

Now, let me tell you about Mercedes radios.

Jaime
'95 E320 wagon with new US head lights, thanks to me rear-ending someone
last year.
'82 300D with 7" Cibies and some kinda high output bulbs Stern sold me years
ago.
'79 300SD with halogen sealed beams properly aligned, and cibie H1 high
beams installed by the german original owner.


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> stern says:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting 
> Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM
> Subject: Taiwanese lights
> To: jabbahur...@gmail.com
>
>
> The DJAuto, Depo, TYC, Genera, and Fifft units (amongst other "brands")
> that
> are all over the internet are copycats from Taiwan and mainland China. The
> low price is attractive, but the quality, performance, and durability are
> all substantially inferior to the genuine items. And that's to say nothing
> of the newest wave of trash coming in from China under names like Helix and
> Sonar (or
> no name at all). Projector headlamp conversions, clear-lens conversions,
> "angel eye" conversions etc...every bit of it dangerously badly made.
>
> Back to the "looks just like OE" Taiwanese lights: all of these copycat
> lamps start out with physical copies of the lens, and
> the results are photometrically pathetic...one might as well make a mould
> of
> your eyeglasses lenses and expect to be able to cast new working eyeglass
> lenses from the mould. Bzzt, not going to happen. The level of
> shape precision required to accurately focus the beam can only be achieved
> with optical engineering _from scratch_. Copies don't even begin to get in
> the ballpark. The beam patterns won't be a total mess; you'll still see
> the cutoff and upsweep on low beam, for example, but light distribution
> under the cutoff is way, way out of line with what it should be. Usually
> the ECE type approval ("E-code") marks are fraudulent/counterfeit, too.
> Same story with their DOT lights.
>
> "Perfect OE fit and performance" is often promised in the ads for the
> copycat lamps. This is an out-and-out lie. Take a look at
> http://www.capacertified.org/press/CAPALighting3.pdf , which is the report
> on a large government-sponsored test of OE vs. TYC vs. Depo versions of
> simple, cheap American-car headlamps. TYC and Depo are the largest, most
> advanced, least-shitty makers of knockoff lamps; ALL the others are vastly
> worse. Epic fail anyhow for the TYC & Depo units
> (see page 21 and 30 if you don't have time to read the whole report).
> Original European lamps are a good deal more precise than the American
> junk...how well do you suppose the copycatters do at copying precise lamps
> when they can't even get a sloppy American-market lamp right?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

it's a DOT report.  stern didn't fake it.  you are a retard.  this list has
become nothing but an infomercial.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.
>>
>
> in the prior incarnations of this list, Stern did sell lights to list
> members for their Mercedes.  If he quit, I don't know about that. There is
> no need to flame me or anyone else, Hurst.
>
>  I read Stearn's rants before.  I said nothing about any other vendor, just
> a comment about Stern from prior experience.  Stern's rants, if applied to
> cars would be like this: Stern sells Maybach. He rants on and on about how
> terrible every other product is.  "If you don't buy a Maybach, you are
> wasting your money."
>
> Personally, I find driving a 20+ year old Mercedes to be a better value
> (and more servicable) than buying a Maybach.  That is why i take Stern's
> rants with a shaker of salt.
>
> Yes, the OE lights are good.  Yes, some aisian knock-offs are bad. Yes,
> some replacement lights are good, even though a Stern rant trashes them.
>  Yes, that is my opinion, and you can buy what you want.
>
> FWIW, in the past, I bought 7" round Hellas.  They are the only aftermarket
> lights I have purchased.  I did consider buying Euro 123 lights, and when
> looking at the market, i decided i would buy aftermarket, (asian) and not
> buy from stern, as his prices were very high.  There are people who are very
> anal retentive, and who will buy lights from stern.  (they are ones who
> clean the engine with a toothbrush)  That is what the marketplace is all
> about.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[John Robbins]

On 12/18/2009 12:22 PM, E M wrote:

I don't know who Stern is, but I do know design of a headlight is a real
science, and takes a lot of time and investment.  I seem to recall an
article on the development of Porsche headlights from an old club mag,
Pano.  Mercedes I'm sure devote every bit as much attention to such things.


Reflector headlight design is definitely a very complex process.  It's 
my understanding that projectors are much easier to design.  Also, I 
plan on, one day, in my free time, finding some MB bi-xenon projectors. 
 Those will be OE, and it should be a pretty easy process to remove the 
old and put in the new.


:)

John

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[E M]

*blush*  lol  :-)

Ed
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2009/12/18 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>

There are people who are very anal retentive, **clipped**  (they are ones
who clean the engine with a toothbrush)  That is what the marketplace is all
about.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[E M]

I don't know who Stern is, but I do know design of a headlight is a real
science, and takes a lot of time and investment.  I seem to recall an
article on the development of Porsche headlights from an old club mag,
Pano.  Mercedes I'm sure devote every bit as much attention to such things.

Personally, for an item like a headlamp, I'd probably try to source a good
used original Mercedes set before buying anything aftermarket.  I have
bought aftermarket items before, and they have been fine.  I do try to
source American or European made where I can, or as I said, it not a wear
item, like trim or whatnot, I try to source good used.

There are lots of older models, like the ones many of us drive, in the bone
yard, so sourcing various parts shouldn't be too hard.  Sometimes with older
cars, stockpiling a few parts that are now getting harder to get, or very
expensive isn't such a bad idea either.  I've done it for my old porsche.
Luckily, Mercedes is really good on the whole, or supporting they old cars.

Ed
300E

2009/12/18 Gary Hurst 

> nah, stern is sincere. i talk with him a lot and he strikes me as totally
> honest in his views.  he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.  now you
> are
> saying he has faked a united states department of transportation report to
> get you to buy something from him that he doesn't even sell?  you are
> ungodly stupid.
>
> i told you i'd give you his views and i gave them.  i couldn't care less if
> you believe him or not.  on such matters as this i defer to stern.  i
> realize that this list is no longer about sharing information with other
> mercedes owners but merely propoganda chat for the hero, but i would hope
> that there are at least some people here still interested in expert views
> on
> relevant questions
>
> but maybe not.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes everything
> > unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rich Thomas]

I kinda like my Maybach a little better than my other old diesels, at 
least for long drives and steppin out yo.


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Dieselhead wrote:

 he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.


in the prior incarnations of this list, Stern did sell lights to list 
members for their Mercedes.  If he quit, I don't know about that. 
There is no need to flame me or anyone else, Hurst.


 I read Stearn's rants before.  I said nothing about any other vendor, 
just a comment about Stern from prior experience.  Stern's rants, if 
applied to cars would be like this: Stern sells Maybach. He rants on 
and on about how terrible every other product is.  "If you don't buy a 
Maybach, you are wasting your money."


Personally, I find driving a 20+ year old Mercedes to be a better 
value (and more servicable) than buying a Maybach.  That is why i take 
Stern's rants with a shaker of salt.


Yes, the OE lights are good.  Yes, some aisian knock-offs are bad. 
Yes, some replacement lights are good, even though a Stern rant 
trashes them.  Yes, that is my opinion, and you can buy what you want.


FWIW, in the past, I bought 7" round Hellas.  They are the only 
aftermarket lights I have purchased.  I did consider buying Euro 123 
lights, and when looking at the market, i decided i would buy 
aftermarket, (asian) and not buy from stern, as his prices were very 
high.  There are people who are very anal retentive, and who will buy 
lights from stern.  (they are ones who clean the engine with a 
toothbrush)  That is what the marketplace is all about.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dieselhead]

 he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.


in the prior incarnations of this list, Stern did sell lights to list 
members for their Mercedes.  If he quit, I don't know about that. 
There is no need to flame me or anyone else, Hurst.


 I read Stearn's rants before.  I said nothing about any other 
vendor, just a comment about Stern from prior experience.  Stern's 
rants, if applied to cars would be like this: Stern sells Maybach. 
He rants on and on about how terrible every other product is.  "If 
you don't buy a Maybach, you are wasting your money."


Personally, I find driving a 20+ year old Mercedes to be a better 
value (and more servicable) than buying a Maybach.  That is why i 
take Stern's rants with a shaker of salt.


Yes, the OE lights are good.  Yes, some aisian knock-offs are bad. 
Yes, some replacement lights are good, even though a Stern rant 
trashes them.  Yes, that is my opinion, and you can buy what you want.


FWIW, in the past, I bought 7" round Hellas.  They are the only 
aftermarket lights I have purchased.  I did consider buying Euro 123 
lights, and when looking at the market, i decided i would buy 
aftermarket, (asian) and not buy from stern, as his prices were very 
high.  There are people who are very anal retentive, and who will buy 
lights from stern.  (they are ones who clean the engine with a 
toothbrush)  That is what the marketplace is all about.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

nah, stern is sincere. i talk with him a lot and he strikes me as totally
honest in his views.  he doesn't even sell mercedes headlights.  now you are
saying he has faked a united states department of transportation report to
get you to buy something from him that he doesn't even sell?  you are
ungodly stupid.

i told you i'd give you his views and i gave them.  i couldn't care less if
you believe him or not.  on such matters as this i defer to stern.  i
realize that this list is no longer about sharing information with other
mercedes owners but merely propoganda chat for the hero, but i would hope
that there are at least some people here still interested in expert views on
relevant questions

but maybe not.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes everything
> unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Rusty Cullens]

Let's just say that I have sold 15 sets and NO ONE has complained.


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights


Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes 
everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Dieselhead]

Grain of salt?  No, a whole shaker, I believe.  Stern trashes 
everything unless you buy it from him.  Biased?  Self serving?


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[MBZ] Fwd: Taiwanese lights

[Gary Hurst]

stern says:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting 
Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Subject: Taiwanese lights
To: jabbahur...@gmail.com


The DJAuto, Depo, TYC, Genera, and Fifft units (amongst other "brands") that
are all over the internet are copycats from Taiwan and mainland China. The
low price is attractive, but the quality, performance, and durability are
all substantially inferior to the genuine items. And that's to say nothing
of the newest wave of trash coming in from China under names like Helix and
Sonar (or
no name at all). Projector headlamp conversions, clear-lens conversions,
"angel eye" conversions etc...every bit of it dangerously badly made.

Back to the "looks just like OE" Taiwanese lights: all of these copycat
lamps start out with physical copies of the lens, and
the results are photometrically pathetic...one might as well make a mould of
your eyeglasses lenses and expect to be able to cast new working eyeglass
lenses from the mould. Bzzt, not going to happen. The level of
shape precision required to accurately focus the beam can only be achieved
with optical engineering _from scratch_. Copies don't even begin to get in
the ballpark. The beam patterns won't be a total mess; you'll still see
the cutoff and upsweep on low beam, for example, but light distribution
under the cutoff is way, way out of line with what it should be. Usually
the ECE type approval ("E-code") marks are fraudulent/counterfeit, too.
Same story with their DOT lights.

"Perfect OE fit and performance" is often promised in the ads for the
copycat lamps. This is an out-and-out lie. Take a look at
http://www.capacertified.org/press/CAPALighting3.pdf , which is the report
on a large government-sponsored test of OE vs. TYC vs. Depo versions of
simple, cheap American-car headlamps. TYC and Depo are the largest, most
advanced, least-shitty makers of knockoff lamps; ALL the others are vastly
worse. Epic fail anyhow for the TYC & Depo units
(see page 21 and 30 if you don't have time to read the whole report).
Original European lamps are a good deal more precise than the American
junk...how well do you suppose the copycatters do at copying precise lamps
when they can't even get a sloppy American-market lamp right?




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