Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
What are you talking about, I name *all* of my cars :) EdB On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: RIP Gump. One of the last named cars. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
My Dad conducted Traviata and Rigoletto as well as the Puccini staples, and as much as I love Tosca and Boheme I have come to appreciate Verdi more and more through the years. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the listener as Puccini. Puccini just sings Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/28/2011 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Mozart and Wagner, without exception. Puccini when it comes to opera. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snookdsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... Dan From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the listener as Puccini. Puccini just sings Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin. I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc. Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes. On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote: My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... Dan From: Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the listener as Puccini. Puccini just sings Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
M, yes, good old fashioned free singing. nbsp;Great voice to boot :) nbsp;My man-love goes out to Samuel Ramey and Thomas Hampson. nbsp;Ramey teaches here in Chicago and I listened in on his master class back in the spring. nbsp;Have his autograph from (on my No Tenors Allowed cd) from a 2000/01 concert in Omaha. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jul 29, 2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 lt;lwb...@yahoo.comgt; wrote: My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. nbsp;Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... Dan From: Benz Hogs lt;benz-n-h...@gulseth.netgt; To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD AAAHH, Puccini.nbsp; Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.nbsp; His lyricism and placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.nbsp; Mainly, no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the listener as Puccini. Puccini just sings nbsp; Luthernbsp; KB5QHUnbsp; nbsp; Oak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
Metallica Black is some of my favorite driving music. nbsp;Opera sucks as driving music, too much dynamic change... Luther -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell lt;rbenn...@bennell.cagt; wrote: You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin. I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc. Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes. On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote: gt; My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. gt; gt; Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! gt; gt; He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... gt; gt; Dan gt; gt; gt; gt; From: Benz Hogslt;benz-n-h...@gulseth.netgt; gt; To: Mercedes Discussion Listlt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; gt; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD gt; gt; AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that gt; no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and gt; placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, gt; no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable gt; melody to the listener as Puccini. gt; gt; Puccini just sings gt; gt;Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL gt; '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) gt; '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) gt; ___ gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt; gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
Absolutely. Both opera and classical are best heard at home. Yesterday it was Rush Signals. Dan From: Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera! Metallica Black is some of my favorite driving music. nbsp;Opera sucks as driving music, too much dynamic change... Luther -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell lt;rbenn...@bennell.cagt; wrote: You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin. I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc. Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes. On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote: gt; My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. gt; gt; Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! gt; gt; He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... gt; gt; Dan gt; gt; gt; gt; From: Benz Hogslt;benz-n-h...@gulseth.netgt; gt; To: Mercedes Discussion Listlt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; gt; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD gt; gt; AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that gt; no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and gt; placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, gt; no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable gt; melody to the listener as Puccini. gt; gt; Puccini just sings gt; gt; Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL gt; '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) gt; '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) gt; ___ gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt; gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kaOYC_Fww Anna Netrebko has brought more new listeners to classical music than anyone in a long time. Classical music can be fun. Gerry --- From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin. I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc. Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes. On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote: My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work in Verdi operas, however. Got to do a meet and greet with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons. Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was from Illinois! He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him on the bill... Dan From: Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD AAAHH, Puccini. Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini. His lyricism and placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range. Mainly, no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the listener as Puccini. Puccini just sings Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3797 - Release Date: 07/29/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!
Good voice. Free and connected through her whole range. Helps that she's gorgeous too Anyone who can sing with Placido is definitely SOMEONE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-WrP_duhgfeature=related Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/29/2011 9:56 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kaOYC_Fww Anna Netrebko has brought more new listeners to classical music than anyone in a long time. Classical music can be fun. Gerry --- From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin. I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc. Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
OK. Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to exclusively7 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:01:50 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.comMercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OK. Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to exclusively7 And if you had to choose ONE single composition, what would it be? For the first question, if I had to take a single composer's entire body of work to a desert island and never listen to anything else, it'd be Mozart, hands down. However, if I had to choose one record---IMHO Beethoven's 9th Symphony is the greatest artistic achievement of Western civilization. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mozart and Wagner, without exception. Puccini when it comes to opera. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Mozart and Wagner, without exception. Puccini when it comes to opera. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The V Man is up there, but I think Mo had more range as far as composition. Just my 0.02 shekels. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Mozart and Wagner, without exception. Puccini when it comes to opera. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well - I played the Cello in my younger years... back when I had limited talent instead of none, and vivaldi had a huge number of things that I found to be just amazing. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The V Man is up there, but I think Mo had more range as far as composition. Just my 0.02 shekels. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Mozart and Wagner, without exception. Puccini when it comes to opera. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Well - I played the Cello in my younger years... back when I had limited talent instead of none, and vivaldi had a huge number of things that I found to be just amazing. I can definitely see how that would be an influence. The solo string parts in the Four Seasons, for instance, are beautiful. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to Exclusively. This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway. If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four different opera's) OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car right now. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a spare head clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: If you have a 240 piston, I need one! There are four, but attached to a crankshaft in a headless block that's still in the car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jimmy, you nailed it. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Andrew wrote: OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to Exclusively. This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway. If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four different opera's) OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car right now. Donald H. Snook _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I guess I am totally lost on most of what you are talking about but... If I were stranded on a desert island with but one song to play over and over until I ripped my ears of from insanity Margaritaville would have to be it. Mike On Jul 28, 2011 6:55 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Jimmy, you nailed it. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Andrew wrote: OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to Exclusively. This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway. If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four different opera's) OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car right now. Donald H. Snook _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope - Ludwig for me --- On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: I guess I am totally lost on most of what you are talking about but... If I were stranded on a desert island with but one song to play over and over until I ripped my ears of from insanity Margaritaville would have to be it. Mike On Jul 28, 2011 6:55 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Jimmy, you nailed it. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Andrew wrote: OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to Exclusively. This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway. If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four different opera's) OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car right now. Donald H. Snook _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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redghost wrote: This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. Oooh. My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual heater controls, power windows. I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* Stick an OM606 turbo in a 1992 Vista Cruiser. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Presumably Ludwig Van... I'm not much of a composer. Its interesting, since my email gets tagged with my actual name, the number of people who assume my name is Ludwig or Mr. Ludwig. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:05:35 -0400 From: Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2f3a2f.8000...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Ludwig Raymond? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The odds of a device failing increase with every use. I'd forgotten that a failing TO destroys the turbo. If it were a case of the thing just plugging up and you having less power I'd say eh, whatever but when it takes out your turbo I'll laugh like a hyena. You've been warned, when it fails be prepared to be mocked. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:52:43 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: CAC35L=t0bxgv1ydoqggrdmxnjned1maaguojzjms6amqdo7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's been good for 26 years. What are the odds of this happening now? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean. He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kevin get yer ass over there pronto, this car has your NAME on it. Pull the engine, do the body work, get Kaleb's replacement engine and make this into the beauty you've been dreaming of. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:46 -0700 From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 642a0e4e-39de-4d27-88e7-c48dc858f...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes $3500. I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the morning. Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to negotiate with. Buy my stuff! clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote: So what's the asking price for this Euro gem? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Both of my US spec 300 TD wagons have rear child seats to take care of up to 3 additional offspring. Feel free to make a preemptive offer. Andrew Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:14:50 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD redghost wrote: This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. Oooh. My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual heater controls, power windows. I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure, but to be fair I expect to compliment me if this calamity doesn't come to pass. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:06:46 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD The odds of a device failing increase with every use. I'd forgotten that a failing TO destroys the turbo. If it were a case of the thing just plugging up and you having less power I'd say eh, whatever but when it takes out your turbo I'll laugh like a hyena. You've been warned, when it fails be prepared to be mocked. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:52:43 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: CAC35L=t0bxgv1ydoqggrdmxnjned1maaguojzjms6amqdo7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's been good for 26 years. What are the odds of this happening now? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean. He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Both of my US spec 300 TD wagons have rear child seats to take care of up to 3 additional offspring. Feel free to make a preemptive offer. Count again. There are only 2 positions in the third seat. It is bigger than a S123 that I am needing. Buying yours wouldn't help. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Randy On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip Well, I did not say you should not buy one - just that you need to be aware of the potential issues and load it and drive it accordingly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes up. I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of these vans and it was involved in an accident. Randy On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tox_CDYxYXo/S5PELRn_C4I/A0w/CPVRsdu2pK4/s320/Pickup.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel. The vehicle doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck. They are no more unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load. Still just a truck and will never handle like a car. Mike On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes up. I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of these vans and it was involved in an accident. Randy On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage. Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance. I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front with a TV and a DIVIDER. What else could you ask for. Peter On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel. The vehicle doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck. They are no more unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load. Still just a truck and will never handle like a car. Mike On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes up. I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of these vans and it was involved in an accident. Randy On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you wear the hockey helmets you'll be OK --R On 7/27/11 3:33 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Randy On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of my dream cars if I had the cash and a place to properly garage it would be am early 60's Cadillac 75 Series limo with the divider window. These don't seat 6, but they are a wonderful ride and can be found relatively cheap. Of course, if money were no object then would shift to a late 40's/early 50's 170V MB series. If you have ever seen one of these cars you can understand. They are very well appointed inside and have a fair amount of room. How's about a Checker cab? They seat a fair number in the back and can have dividers, too. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage. Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance. I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front with a TV and a DIVIDER. What else could you ask for. Peter On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel. The vehicle doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck. They are no more unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load. Still just a truck and will never handle like a car. Mike On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes up. I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of these vans and it was involved in an accident. Randy On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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think you are talking about the 15 pass vans.They are particularly unstable when pulling large trailers with the univ solar car inside, driven by inexperienced 20 yr old.drivers http://www.iowastatedaily.com/article_d3947058-eaf8-5180-bbba-2cb37c52a6d1.html I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Randy On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Der Sprinter a mere 50k will get you one, new. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.safetyforum.com/passengervans/ On 27/07/2011 4:27 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote: I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage. Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance. I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front with a TV and a DIVIDER. What else could you ask for. Peter On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel. The vehicle doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck. They are no more unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load. Still just a truck and will never handle like a car. Mike On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes up. I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of these vans and it was involved in an accident. Randy On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it for the fam. Randy Bennell wrote: I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable. Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice is there? Two vehicles? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Went and drove the thing today. Closer to Fred Flintstone car than a benz. Totally clapped out and would have required parts enough for Rusty to buy a nice bass boat Clay On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:14 AM, Fmiser wrote: redghost wrote: This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. Oooh. My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual heater controls, power windows. I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one. Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore. I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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YES All the spare parts will keep you in good stead for ages Clay On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Kevin get yer ass over there pronto, this car has your NAME on it. Pull the engine, do the body work, get Kaleb's replacement engine and make this into the beauty you've been dreaming of. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:46 -0700 From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 642a0e4e-39de-4d27-88e7-c48dc858f...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes $3500. I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the morning. Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to negotiate with. Buy my stuff! clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote: So what's the asking price for this Euro gem? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY overfuels, and when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon. Shoe Goo! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you have a 240 piston, I need one! There are four, but attached to a crankshaft in a headless block that's still in the car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The tear isn't visible, I'd have to goo the entire thing, which I'd rather not try. Instead, I upgraded to a 3.0 :) Walt On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY overfuels, and when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon. Shoe Goo! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? I can't remember if it was originally a reference to Jill Cathey or Clay's wife, but it stands for She Who Must Be Annoyed. (last word is normally Obeyed). I believe it actually applies to both. In my wife's case, at least the term applies to an apparent a compulsion rather than any kind of a directive to me. (She can't _not_ be generally annoyed. At least, according to _my_ observation...) Regarding the car warpath, I think there's a reason that Clay's and my wife got along so well the one time they met. Sounds like _both_ believe they are entitled to choose our hobbies for us, along with every other little detail in their environs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Surely you can't be serious --R On 7/25/11 11:17 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:47:53 -0500 Donald Snookdsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: What do you mean ? for the name of the present E320. I think you already have a name - the Snookmobile. That is a great name. It is a name with an illustrious history. You can continue the tradition of the Snookmobile name. It's sort of like how they keep building new starships in Star Trek and renaming them Enterprise. You can call your E320 Snookmobile Do the name proud, my friend. Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while I will be rotting in the ground during hers. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote: SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to keep the old girl cared for as long as possible in an entirely different light. Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when wrinkles and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the mileage will have a lot more meaning to her. Grant... On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels will decide she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years ago. She hated that car from the moment it arrived. Must have made her benz look bad? clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote: Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredghost@comcast.**netredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want
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1984 TD that I am going to look at today Clay On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. --Original Message-- From: Craig Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Sent: Jul 26, 2011 12:28 AM On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish? On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish. :-) Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 107 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a shortfall of loyalty to old things expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a dotage and replaced with a new pretty model Cars are so much easier than women, if you drive another one and enjoy it they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and even leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50 years I've never heard a car ask does this make my ass look fat?. :)) On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while I will be rotting in the ground during hers. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote: SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to keep the old girl cared for as long as possible in an entirely different light. Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when wrinkles and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the mileage will have a lot more meaning to her. Grant... On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels will decide she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years ago. She hated that car from the moment it arrived. Must have made her benz look bad? clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote: Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael
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How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:43:15 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD 1984 TD that I am going to look at today Clay On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:48 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7 '85 has the trap oxidizer. Like yours. When are you going to get it taken off? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not gonna happen. I have the cleanest backup light lenses in all of D.C. What are the differences between the Federal (49 state) 84 vs. 85 models7 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:54:45 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:48 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7 '85 has the trap oxidizer. Like yours. When are you going to get it taken off? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:42 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not gonna happen. I have the cleanest backup light lenses in all of D.C. There's a reason why there was a recall, and it doesn't just apply to 603 engines. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Older women appreciate things more than the young. My mistake for trading in and thinking I was trading up. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:42 AM, G Mann wrote: My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a shortfall of loyalty to old things expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a dotage and replaced with a new pretty model Cars are so much easier than women, if you drive another one and enjoy it they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and even leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50 years I've never heard a car ask does this make my ass look fat?. :)) On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while I will be rotting in the ground during hers. clay On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote: SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to keep the old girl cared for as long as possible in an entirely different light. Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when wrinkles and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the mileage will have a lot more meaning to her. Grant... On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels will decide she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years ago. She hated that car from the moment it arrived. Must have made her benz look bad? clay On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote: Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredghost@comcast.net redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. redghost wrote: 1984 TD that I am going to look at today Clay I wish my '85 were older. I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have an old 83 and new 85. The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. redghost wrote: 1984 TD that I am going to look at today Clay I wish my '85 were older. I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 26/07/2011 11:42 AM, G Mann wrote: My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a shortfall of loyalty to old things expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a dotage and replaced with a new pretty model Cars are so much easier than women, if you drive another one and enjoy it they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and even leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50 years I've never heard a car ask does this make my ass look fat?. :)) YOU MEAN LIKE A CHRYSLER PACIFICA?? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: I have an old 83 and new 85. The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment. The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to accelerate if all else is equal. The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things. There are at least three things I don't know what they do. And one of them hums after I turn off the engine. The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Ludwig Raymond? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 7/26/2011 12:42 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. --Original Message-- From: Craig Sent: Jul 26, 2011 12:28 AM On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish? On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craigdiese...@pisquared.net wrote: Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, and I'd prefer a federal 85 over a kollyforica 85 with the football trap, and all the other garbage. On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. redghost wrote: 1984 TD that I am going to look at today Clay I wish my '85 were older. I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:42:17 + astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. Ludwig is OK, in fact I started out in classical music listening to his works, but I much prefer J.S. Bach. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean. He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's been good for 26 years. What are the odds of this happening now? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean. He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I have an old 83 and new 85. The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment. The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to accelerate if all else is equal. The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things. There are at least three things I don't know what they do. And one of them hums after I turn off the engine. The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The trap was one of the evil things that led to the POS SDL being killed at okie acres clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the extra stuff on the '85. Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the less refined but simpler. Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean. He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So what's the asking price for this Euro gem? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR -Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I have an old 83 and new 85. The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment. The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to accelerate if all else is equal. The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things. There are at least three things I don't know what they do. And one of them hums after I turn off the engine. The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$3500. I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the morning. Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to negotiate with. Buy my stuff! clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote: So what's the asking price for this Euro gem? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR -Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong. Manual everywhere, much as Gump was. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I have an old 83 and new 85. The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment. The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to accelerate if all else is equal. The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things. There are at least three things I don't know what they do. And one of them hums after I turn off the engine. The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: I do as well. Present:'95 E320 ? 107 kmi '94 E420Oskar 119 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi What do you mean ? for the name of the present E320. I think you already have a name - the Snookmobile. That is a great name. It is a name with an illustrious history. You can continue the tradition of the Snookmobile name. It's sort of like how they keep building new starships in Star Trek and renaming them Enterprise. You can call your E320 Snookmobile Do the name proud, my friend. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Get on her butt about a perfectly acceptable hobby of hers? But that could get nasty... Walt On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? Stupidly yours Peter On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some version of SWMBO - she who must be obeyed. Maybe she who must be answered? or a typo? I think the original came from the Rumpole of the Bailey books as Horace Rumpole, the old barrister hack referred to his wife in that manner. Randy On 25/07/2011 1:48 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? Stupidly yours Peter On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID:4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? I can't remember if it was originally a reference to Jill Cathey or Clay's wife, but it stands for She Who Must Be Annoyed. (last word is normally Obeyed). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Her hobby is to torment the boys and men in her life with her pious manner and lack of vices. I am can not think of anything she does that could be called a hobby other than making jam or sweet goodies. Not going to knock her for that. I like the rare sweet treat or well slathered toast. clay Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Get on her butt about a perfectly acceptable hobby of hers? But that could get nasty... Walt On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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She Who Must Be Annoyed On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? Stupidly yours Peter On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or SWMBO - she who must be obeyed Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: She Who Must Be Annoyed On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? Stupidly yours Peter On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels will decide she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years ago. She hated that car from the moment it arrived. Must have made her benz look bad? clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote: Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
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Clay wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels have always existed. I don't need to wait for obamacare - I'll be gone in 6 months, unemployed, uninsured, insulin is tirelessly expensive, I lost all desire to bother with uncle sam. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for? She Who Must Be Adored Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I still don't know why you're putting your family through this. Walt On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Clay wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels have always existed. I don't need to wait for obamacare - I'll be gone in 6 months, unemployed, uninsured, insulin is tirelessly expensive, I lost all desire to bother with uncle sam. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:47:53 -0500 Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: What do you mean ? for the name of the present E320. I think you already have a name - the Snookmobile. That is a great name. It is a name with an illustrious history. You can continue the tradition of the Snookmobile name. It's sort of like how they keep building new starships in Star Trek and renaming them Enterprise. You can call your E320 Snookmobile Do the name proud, my friend. Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish? On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to keep the old girl cared for as long as possible in an entirely different light. Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when wrinkles and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the mileage will have a lot more meaning to her. Grant... On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes economically unfit for further medical care. Death panels will decide she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years ago. She hated that car from the moment it arrived. Must have made her benz look bad? clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote: Careful, careful. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredghost@comcast.**netredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish? On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ... No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish. :-) Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 107 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Go for the TD! What year is it? I would think that it would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon -Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD I have actively given up on Gump. The laundry list of needs on this car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare system and you only prolong her death. I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had. Also found a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better. Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body off restoration to continue living for the long term. Doing nickel and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved. The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer being less wrong than money pit. Newer money pit, but I can get her buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump. She only sees Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old. I will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age where she is wearing out and needs things done. I will then point out that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer model. One without the sags and wrinkles. Able to produce vigorously. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Dang it, I can remain silent no longer. You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work. BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon. Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as much as a means of transport. Randy On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Which reminds me I finally named my '84 190D. Walking back to the car the other night in the airport parking lot I was thinking What a fine little automobile, I shall call you Ducky. I'd been watching NCIS on the plane if anybody gets that reference. Then the little b@$tard proceeded to try to overheat all the way home. A quart of added coolant in the morning and everything is happy again. Need to spend some time tracking the leak. -Curt Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:33:06 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD Message-ID: 20110723173306.fd505dcd.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Bob Rentfro wrote: RIP Gump. One of the last named cars. ?? I have quite a few. Every one of them is named. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Why not pay Kaleb $250 a ton for a new engine? Walt On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
he has no runners that I know of, and SWMBA is no longer in the mood to humor my attempts to make Gump run. Figure I just bank this for another day when I have a stupid desire for a car and I can trot out how I finally gave up on Gump and she should now humor me once more. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Why not pay Kaleb $250 a ton for a new engine? Walt On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
I've got a 2.4 with pump gremlins if that helps you any? Walt On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:36 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: he has no runners that I know of, and SWMBA is no longer in the mood to humor my attempts to make Gump run. Figure I just bank this for another day when I have a stupid desire for a car and I can trot out how I finally gave up on Gump and she should now humor me once more. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Why not pay Kaleb $250 a ton for a new engine? Walt On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Clay, Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could be much, much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that. Mike On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway. Clay On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild. Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
