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actually, no; the law (at least in CA) wants you to be clear of an intersection (completely *past* all the lines) when the cross light turns green, not just entering it as your light turns red. they go by the front and rear ends of the vehicle, and don't care about where the wheels are. clear of the line means that there is no part of the vehicle over any part of the line, as if the line was a brick wall. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Isn't the critical point that you *enter* the intersection (presumably meaning either your the front-most point of your car, or your front wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the closer side of the intersection) before it turns red - rather than that you *clear* the intersection (presumably meaning either the rear-most point of your car, or the rear wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the far side of the intersection)? Also, is it the margin of the white line closest to the vehicle, or farthest from the vehicle? Or the center of the white line? For example, in the NFL, if you break the plane you have crossed the closest margin of the white line if I'm not mistaken. [snip]
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ernest breakfield wrote: actually, no; the law (at least in CA) wants you to be clear of an intersection (completely *past* all the lines) when the cross light turns green, not just entering it as your light turns red. I think that's the law here, too, but so far they say they're including a bit of leniency in the cameras -- they only nab you if you enter the intersection on a red. A lot of the violations are people who don't stop before making a right-on-red. If that leniency weren't there, you'd pretty much have to come to a screeching stop at every yellow to be safe. I saw one really cool system demo'd on TV that could actually predict, based on a car's speed and and (lack of) deceleration, whether it was going to run the light. If it detected a car was going to, it recorded a video clip of the entire event *and* held the red for the other direction a little longer, preventing another car from moving into the violator's path. I don't know if anybody's actually deployed that one, yet.
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i'll bet the guy whose wife opened a letter containing a pic that showed him with his GF in the passenger seat wishes that was the case where he lived, eh? ;-o cheers! e (seems there's something terribly wrong when privacy concerns can trump the necessity to prove that the vehicle owner is responsible for something it can't even be proven he/she did,...) David Brodbeck wrote: Here in WA the traffic cameras generally aim for the back plate. They got around privacy concerns by decreeing that the cameras would *not* be allowed to include the driver's face in the photo. The ticket is issued to the owner of the car.
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yikes! you'd subject your car to a *carwash*?! then again, if you're drilling directly into the bumper, you may be holding yours to a different level of Aesthetics,... ;-) i turned down cars when i was shopping for my 300D because of the damage that was obviously done to them by carwashes,... cheers! e David Brodbeck wrote: On mine the problem wasn't parking blocks, it was carwash brushes. They liked to grab hold of my front plate and bend it. I didn't have the proper bracket, though; after hearing what the dealer wanted for it (and resisting the temptation to ask if that was the price for the gold-plated version) I drilled into the bumper and used self-tapping screws.
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in that case i totally understand. ;-) cheers! e David Brodbeck wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: yikes! you'd subject your car to a *carwash*?! then again, if you're drilling directly into the bumper, you may be holding yours to a different level of Aesthetics,... ;-) i turned down cars when i was shopping for my 300D because of the damage that was obviously done to them by carwashes,... I wouldn't subject a car that had good paint to a carwash, unless it was the touchless variety. But this car was a total beater. Rust everywhere. Dents. Door dings. It was well beyond the point where a carwash could make it worse.
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Mitch Haley wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: That'd net him a fine of $1212, assuming you didn't get caught stealing his plates. ;) No license points, though. Since they can't prove who was driving there's no other penalty -- just a $101 fine. I see, just a tax on the owner with no proof of personal culpability, like a parking ticket. I was thinking it was a traffic offense. I got a look at one of the cams in action, last night, and I think I might have been wrong about it only catching the rear plate. I think whether it catches your front plate or your rear plate depends on which way you're going -- I think they're only using one camera per intersection. Makes sense. I also think it might have caught me. Light turned red before I cleared the intersection, and I saw a flash. Damn. Of course, if I'm lucky it was for a car going the other way...
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Isn't the critical point that you *enter* the intersection (presumably meaning either your the front-most point of your car, or your front wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the closer side of the intersection) before it turns red - rather than that you *clear* the intersection (presumably meaning either the rear-most point of your car, or the rear wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the far side of the intersection)? Also, is it the margin of the white line closest to the vehicle, or farthest from the vehicle? Or the center of the white line? For example, in the NFL, if you break the plane you have crossed the closest margin of the white line if I'm not mistaken. Personally, I'm *for* red light cameras. Running lights has become an everyday occurrence everywhere, and people are getting t-boned, or run down if you're a pedestrian, because of it. And let's not be naive enough to think that we actually have and sort of privacy in the first place that the cameras are supposedly violating. Any cop can look through our windows and determine that we are doing something wrong at any time. For that matter, they can pull you over for the most illegitimate reasons. Consider the big time polygamist guy that was busted recently. He was pulled over because he had temporary tags (which I don't think is illegal). The cop just got the feeling that he didn't belong around there, with his red escalade, and decided to pull him over. Brian Not a polygamist On 9/30/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: That'd net him a fine of $1212, assuming you didn't get caught stealing his plates. ;) No license points, though. Since they can't prove who was driving there's no other penalty -- just a $101 fine. I see, just a tax on the owner with no proof of personal culpability, like a parking ticket. I was thinking it was a traffic offense. I got a look at one of the cams in action, last night, and I think I might have been wrong about it only catching the rear plate. I think whether it catches your front plate or your rear plate depends on which way you're going -- I think they're only using one camera per intersection. Makes sense. I also think it might have caught me. Light turned red before I cleared the intersection, and I saw a flash. Damn. Of course, if I'm lucky it was for a car going the other way... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Isn't the critical point that you *enter* the intersection (presumably meaning either your the front-most point of your car, or your front wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the closer side of the intersection) before it turns red - rather than that you *clear* the intersection (presumably meaning either the rear-most point of your car, or the rear wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the far side of the intersection)? I *think* I've heard that -- that the camera only activates if you enter the intersection after the light turns red. Personally, I'm *for* red light cameras. Running lights has become an everyday occurrence everywhere, and people are getting t-boned, or run down if you're a pedestrian, because of it. The problem is there's scant evidence that they actually reduce accidents. In some installations, accidents actually *increase*. (Although generally the *types* of accidents shift to include fewer T-bones and more rear-end collisions.) That feeds my suspicion that this is mainly about raising revenue without having to raise taxes, not about safety. In fact, the way the contract usually works is some private company installs and runs the cameras, in exchange for giving a percentage of the profits to the city. It also represents a slippery slope. In Britain they have speed cameras, some of which apparently have a tolerance as low as 3 mph over the limit. We're clearly headed that direction.
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Very good points. Sad though, that the average driver is brain-dead enough as to plow into the driver in front of them if they choose to obey a traffic signal. Belive me, I know - I was rear-ended by a Caddiliac as I stopped for a red light on my motorcycle. I think what you're describing though, is people being so conditioned to the common practice of squeaking every last millisecond out of a yellow (and yes, red) light that if someone decides to act reasonably, they are posing a danger with their unpredictability. Brian On 9/30/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Isn't the critical point that you *enter* the intersection (presumably meaning either your the front-most point of your car, or your front wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the closer side of the intersection) before it turns red - rather than that you *clear* the intersection (presumably meaning either the rear-most point of your car, or the rear wheels - I'm not sure which - cross the white line on the far side of the intersection)? I *think* I've heard that -- that the camera only activates if you enter the intersection after the light turns red. Personally, I'm *for* red light cameras. Running lights has become an everyday occurrence everywhere, and people are getting t-boned, or run down if you're a pedestrian, because of it. The problem is there's scant evidence that they actually reduce accidents. In some installations, accidents actually *increase*. (Although generally the *types* of accidents shift to include fewer T-bones and more rear-end collisions.) That feeds my suspicion that this is mainly about raising revenue without having to raise taxes, not about safety. In fact, the way the contract usually works is some private company installs and runs the cameras, in exchange for giving a percentage of the profits to the city. It also represents a slippery slope. In Britain they have speed cameras, some of which apparently have a tolerance as low as 3 mph over the limit. We're clearly headed that direction. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: I think what you're describing though, is people being so conditioned to the common practice of squeaking every last millisecond out of a yellow (and yes, red) light that if someone decides to act reasonably, they are posing a danger with their unpredictability. Pretty much. It doesn't help that a lot of lights around here are extremely slow, so people try to squeeze through knowing that otherwise they'll be sitting there for a couple of minutes waiting. The biggest change I've made in my driving style is I now hang back farther from semis in traffic. Unless you're several car lengths behind, you can't see whether the light is still green until it's too late, except at intersections that have auxiliary signals at the curb.
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ernest breakfield wrote: bent up on parking blocks? must be same dang big invisible blocks to reach high enough for that and still not be visible enough for a driver to avoid them,...! On mine the problem wasn't parking blocks, it was carwash brushes. They liked to grab hold of my front plate and bend it. I didn't have the proper bracket, though; after hearing what the dealer wanted for it (and resisting the temptation to ask if that was the price for the gold-plated version) I drilled into the bumper and used self-tapping screws.
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ernest breakfield wrote: front tags are very popular for evidence in traffic camera suits; a pic with a picture of your face and your tag visible on the front of the car is hard to argue with (constitutionality aside). Here in WA the traffic cameras generally aim for the back plate. They got around privacy concerns by decreeing that the cameras would *not* be allowed to include the driver's face in the photo. The ticket is issued to the owner of the car.
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David Brodbeck wrote: Here in WA the traffic cameras generally aim for the back plate. They got around privacy concerns by decreeing that the cameras would *not* be allowed to include the driver's face in the photo. The ticket is issued to the owner of the car. So if you really hate your neighbor, rent a car that looks like his, borrow his plate, and run a dozen pink lights. I'd gladly do that to any clown who voted to pass the law.
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Actually, you're probably right. I'ts hard to picture a parking block tall enough to catch it. Whatever bends them, I see a lot of bent ones. On a related note, ever noticed how people (particularly women) scrape those silly plastic air dams on parking blocks? Then they usually go ahead and back up and scrape it back off right away. That would make me want to disappear. Stepping off my high horse, I must admit that I just scraped my wheel cover on the curb in front of my house. In my defense, I haven't parked this thing in front of my house that many times, and I like to get my cars as far toward the curb as possible, as it's a juvenile passtime around here to play baseball with driver side mirrors. Still, there's nothing funnier than that distinctive noise that those plastic air dams make. Brian Ernest wrote: bent up on parking blocks? must be same dang big invisible blocks to reach high enough for that and still not be visible enough for a driver to avoid them,...!
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heck, at least there's a *place* for the license plate on the W123! i had a Volvo not long ago that had no provisions whatsoever for a license plate; the mount required drilling directly into the front bumper cladding,... what the heck were they thinking? bent up on parking blocks? must be same dang big invisible blocks to reach high enough for that and still not be visible enough for a driver to avoid them,...! magnificent front grill treatment?! the grills i've seen on the Chryslers remind more more of the Sewer Grate; nothing magnificent about that! ;-) cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: More plate talk: Does it bother anyone besides me, the way the front plate is mounted on the 123s? It's like an afterthought. It looks low class and clunky to me - just sort of tacked on an otherwise nice looking bumper. And most of the time you'll find them bent up from parking blocks. I will probably devise another way to mount it. For that matter, does it bother anyone else but me to see cars that have magnificent front grill treatment, only to have the official mounting spot for the front plate right smack in the middle of it? I noticed this on the Chrysler Sebrings or 300s or somesuch a few years ago. The front grill is the crown jewel of the whole vehicle, and the front plate gets slapped right in the middle of it. I wish US plates were long and narrow like Euro plates. My other car has an indentation and mounting holes to accept a Euro plate. You'd think that my 240 - made in Stuttgart - would too. Brian 83 240D On 9/23/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I really wish Minnesota didn't require a front plate. When I lived in Arizona, they didn't require one, the for a short while the did (and cops were into busting us teens as we hung out on the main drag), then they went back to not requiring one. I hate to admit it, but if I was law enforcement, I would want front plates. It's just that much more information made available in different situations. I have been driving without a front plate on one of my cars for over two years now. I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 On 9/22/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure it depends on the state. Alabama does not use or require a front plate if you move from a state that does require a front plate, we don't even care if you leave your old plate on the front. I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] License plate placement Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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front tags are very popular for evidence in traffic camera suits; a pic with a picture of your face and your tag visible on the front of the car is hard to argue with (constitutionality aside). cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: I'm sure it depends on the state. Alabama does not use or require a front plate if you move from a state that does require a front plate, we don't even care if you leave your old plate on the front. I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] License plate placement Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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as others have already mentioned, it depends on where you are. while front tags aren't even required everywhere, they're required to be affixed to the front of the vehicle in CA, and nothing may (legally) block any view out of the windshield with the exception of a few square inches of one bottom corner that's exempt for placing stickers. now, i've had cars without even a place to mount a front tag for decades here in Cali, and never gotten a ticket for it until some overzealous parking nazi wrote me a ticket for it. seems i probably got his/her attention by being partially blocking my driveway, and they decided it was more lucrative to cite me for the lack of a front tag. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll take it over the opposite any day of the year. Brian On 9/25/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The native born are real sticklers for using signals. In seattle you can tell the natives because they make sure to signal all turns. Some are kind enough to begin signaling a few miles before they approach an intersection or three as well as off ramps. They are even able to continue signaling miles after they have made a turn, so that you know they did signal.
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The native born are real sticklers for using signals. In seattle you can tell the natives because they make sure to signal all turns. Some are kind enough to begin signaling a few miles before they approach an intersection or three as well as off ramps. They are even able to continue signaling miles after they have made a turn, so that you know they did signal. On Sep 24, 2006, at 9:17 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: Here in Warshington, each of us native-born are empowered to issue citizen warrants and arrests (if necessary), when you farners fail to use your signals when changing lanes or turning. We don't take kindly to such infractions. We're too polite to use our horn, but we do harbor long resentments and may in fact, seek other more creative means of seeking retribution for your real or imagined slights. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! DO NOT MOVE HERE...EVER! On 9/22/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Casey Olympia, WA -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Yes, the WA natives use the strategy I call the ten minute turn. First, they signal their intentions...five miles ahead of their actual target; then slowly and incrementally reduce their speed, in expectation of their eventual turn. It starts like this with signal first triggered: [45mph zone] - 34 mph @ EDA 4.9miles - 32 mph @ EDA 4.3miles - 27 mph @ EDA 3.8miles - 23 mph @ EDA 2.8miles - 15 mph @ EDA 2.0miles - 7.5mph @ EDA 1.8miles - 4.4mph @ EDA 1.2miles - .4 mph @ EDA .8 to 0 miles On 9/25/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The native born are real sticklers for using signals. In seattle you can tell the natives because they make sure to signal all turns. Some are kind enough to begin signaling a few miles before they approach an intersection or three as well as off ramps. They are even able to continue signaling miles after they have made a turn, so that you know they did signal. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:54:56 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, also, Craig - what keywords did you enter in order to find these items for sale? I searched last night for Mercedes 123 wood trim and didn't find any of these. I did find an ashtray however (which I need). mercedes (console,wood) (W123,123,240*,300,300D) -w126 -w124 in Parts Accessories Craig
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During my first visit to Seattle, my buddy slammed on the brakes every time he approached a signal that turned yellow. He told me that the fuzz threw the book at anyone caught running even a yellow light. Is this still true?. On 9/26/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:54:56 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, also, Craig - what keywords did you enter in order to find these items for sale? I searched last night for Mercedes 123 wood trim and didn't find any of these. I did find an ashtray however (which I need). mercedes (console,wood) (W123,123,240*,300,300D) -w126 -w124 in Parts Accessories Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: During my first visit to Seattle, my buddy slammed on the brakes every time he approached a signal that turned yellow. He told me that the fuzz threw the book at anyone caught running even a yellow light. Is this still true?. I haven't heard that, but they are using red-light cameras in some areas now, so you'd better be sure you'll be through the intersection before it turns red.
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It was lax for a few years, but now is getting more play. Too many people running lights and smacking into small children and the illegal immigrants On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:46 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: During my first visit to Seattle, my buddy slammed on the brakes every time he approached a signal that turned yellow. He told me that the fuzz threw the book at anyone caught running even a yellow light. Is this still true?. On 9/26/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:54:56 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, also, Craig - what keywords did you enter in order to find these items for sale? I searched last night for Mercedes 123 wood trim and didn't find any of these. I did find an ashtray however (which I need). mercedes (console,wood) (W123,123,240*,300,300D) -w126 -w124 in Parts Accessories Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks. I tried to set up a registration so I could simply ask a question of a seller, and after 20 minutes of choosing an appropriate user name, etc. I found out that they want my credit or debit card number to register. I shut the computer off and went to bed. Yeah, that's so they can bill you if you sell anything. They used to let people register without one and pay by check, but I suspect it made it too easy to create lots of fake accounts to use as shill bidders.
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By the way, thanks, Craig, for the links. I was probably going to buy one of them, but it ended early. I suppose that every time we buy something with a credit card, we have just given over our credit card information. Don't know why I should balk at giving it to ebay. Just took me by surprise that they want it in order to identify us, supposedly. If we're being identified by our credit card accounts now, and we aren't allowed to do business without it, well, can you say prophecy? I trip out on these things. Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:09:01 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Sort of. You do have to be careful and look at the seller's feedback. Even then, there's no absolute guarantee. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240-D-4-PEICE-DASH-WOOD-TRIM-W-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR_W0QQitemZ200028520704QQihZ010QQcategoryZ42612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 19:28:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-dash-wood-trim-zebrano-300-d-td-280-ce-e_W0QQitemZ270030312784QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 21:19:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-300D-300CD-280E-300TD-dash-Zebrano-wood_W0QQitemZ120033887075QQihZ002QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-26-06 12:22:28 PDT Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, also, Craig - what keywords did you enter in order to find these items for sale? I searched last night for Mercedes 123 wood trim and didn't find any of these. I did find an ashtray however (which I need). Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:09:01 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Sort of. You do have to be careful and look at the seller's feedback. Even then, there's no absolute guarantee. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240-D-4-PEICE-DASH-WOOD-TRIM-W-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR_W0QQitemZ200028520704QQihZ010QQcategoryZ42612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 19:28:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-dash-wood-trim-zebrano-300-d-td-280-ce-e_W0QQitemZ270030312784QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 21:19:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-300D-300CD-280E-300TD-dash-Zebrano-wood_W0QQitemZ120033887075QQihZ002QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-26-06 12:22:28 PDT Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here in Warshington, each of us native-born are empowered to issue citizen warrants and arrests (if necessary), when you farners fail to use your signals when changing lanes or turning. We don't take kindly to such infractions. We're too polite to use our horn, but we do harbor long resentments and may in fact, seek other more creative means of seeking retribution for your real or imagined slights. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! DO NOT MOVE HERE...EVER! On 9/22/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Ah! My nemesis Zeitgeist breaks its silence. I'll take your warning, and impart one: Take a moment to imagine the sinister possibilities created by the great farner's mind. While you have lived safely sheltered by the borders of your coddling mother Washington, I have been wandering across this land laying my head where I can. I've been encountering all manner of evil and slowly, painfully growing in my capacity to endure - to overcome - by whatever means necessary and at whatever cost. ;D Yes, I am moving there, just as the masses are invading my beloved high desert. And I'm bringing my 68 horsepower 240D. Nothing can stop me. HAAHAHAHAGHaGggg. Hack. Hey, just be glad this invader is actually in this country legally, and is in fact a native. Most areas of this country are being invaded in a different fashion. Brian On 9/24/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Warshington, each of us native-born are empowered to issue citizen warrants and arrests (if necessary), when you farners fail to use your signals when changing lanes or turning. We don't take kindly to such infractions. We're too polite to use our horn, but we do harbor long resentments and may in fact, seek other more creative means of seeking retribution for your real or imagined slights. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! DO NOT MOVE HERE...EVER! On 9/22/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Among other things, they make a great reflective target for laser speed guns. That's one of the reasons so many states have moved to plates with a white background. Washington requires front plates, but they stopped issuing year tabs for them years ago. Now the tabs only go on the back plate. In a pinch, you can zip-tie the plate to the grille as a temporary solution. I wouldn't do that long-term, because on a W123 it blocks about a quarter of the grille area.
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Good info., Barry. I think that my particular situation would be a bit different than yours as I have a 123. But I think that we may be alike in our creativity. And, ah yes - the zip tie. That, (and lately Gorilla Glue) are my handyman's secret weapons. A bit more discreet than duct tape. Sorry Mr. Green. Actually to stick my dash wood strips back onto the dash (they were bowing outward - probably due to the AZ heat) I had to use a combo. of Gorilla Glue and super glue because, while the Gor. Glue may bond better, it takes a lot longer to set. So I used the super glue's quick setting qualities to do the clamping. I didn't so much intentionally mix them as I applied the super glue in little spots where there wasn't as much or any Gor. glue. But I'm sure they wound up mixing to a certain extent. I actually didn't know if I was going to produce some sort of extra toxic fumes by mixing the two, but I survived. The trim is holding. Now I just need to find the rounded piece that runs around the corner over by the passenger door. Brian 83 240D On 9/23/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Among other things, they make a great reflective target for laser speed guns. That's one of the reasons so many states have moved to plates with a white background. Washington requires front plates, but they stopped issuing year tabs for them years ago. Now the tabs only go on the back plate. In a pinch, you can zip-tie the plate to the grille as a temporary solution. I wouldn't do that long-term, because on a W123 it blocks about a quarter of the grille area. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:35:36 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I just need to find the rounded piece that runs around the corner over by the passenger door. There have been several of those on eBay in the last few months. Craig
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Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:35:36 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I just need to find the rounded piece that runs around the corner over by the passenger door. There have been several of those on eBay in the last few months. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks. I tried to set up a registration so I could simply ask a question of a seller, and after 20 minutes of choosing an appropriate user name, etc. I found out that they want my credit or debit card number to register. I shut the computer off and went to bed. Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:09:01 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Sort of. You do have to be careful and look at the seller's feedback. Even then, there's no absolute guarantee. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240-D-4-PEICE-DASH-WOOD-TRIM-W-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR_W0QQitemZ200028520704QQihZ010QQcategoryZ42612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 19:28:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-dash-wood-trim-zebrano-300-d-td-280-ce-e_W0QQitemZ270030312784QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 21:19:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-300D-300CD-280E-300TD-dash-Zebrano-wood_W0QQitemZ120033887075QQihZ002QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-26-06 12:22:28 PDT Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm sure it depends on the state. Alabama does not use or require a front plate if you move from a state that does require a front plate, we don't even care if you leave your old plate on the front. I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] License plate placement Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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More plate talk: Does it bother anyone besides me, the way the front plate is mounted on the 123s? It's like an afterthought. It looks low class and clunky to me - just sort of tacked on an otherwise nice looking bumper. And most of the time you'll find them bent up from parking blocks. I will probably devise another way to mount it. For that matter, does it bother anyone else but me to see cars that have magnificent front grill treatment, only to have the official mounting spot for the front plate right smack in the middle of it? I noticed this on the Chrysler Sebrings or 300s or somesuch a few years ago. The front grill is the crown jewel of the whole vehicle, and the front plate gets slapped right in the middle of it. I wish US plates were long and narrow like Euro plates. My other car has an indentation and mounting holes to accept a Euro plate. You'd think that my 240 - made in Stuttgart - would too. Brian 83 240D On 9/23/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I really wish Minnesota didn't require a front plate. When I lived in Arizona, they didn't require one, the for a short while the did (and cops were into busting us teens as we hung out on the main drag), then they went back to not requiring one. I hate to admit it, but if I was law enforcement, I would want front plates. It's just that much more information made available in different situations. I have been driving without a front plate on one of my cars for over two years now. I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 On 9/22/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure it depends on the state. Alabama does not use or require a front plate if you move from a state that does require a front plate, we don't even care if you leave your old plate on the front. I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] License plate placement Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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PA no front plate required, you multiply that by 13 million +/- cars that is allot of steel saved. We are one of three commonwealths in the union, so things can be different Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1979 240D 97K - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] License plate placement You know, I really wish Minnesota didn't require a front plate. When I lived in Arizona, they didn't require one, the for a short while the did (and cops were into busting us teens as we hung out on the main drag), then they went back to not requiring one. I hate to admit it, but if I was law enforcement, I would want front plates. It's just that much more information made available in different situations. I have been driving without a front plate on one of my cars for over two years now. I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 On 9/22/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure it depends on the state. Alabama does not use or require a front plate if you move from a state that does require a front plate, we don't even care if you leave your old plate on the front. I really don't understand why other states require a front plate. When's the last time you were pulled over by a police car in front of you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] License plate placement Does anyone know whether or not it's legal to put the license plate up on the dash so it's visible through the windshield? I know, this probably varies by locale but I'm just asking for y'all's varied knowledge on this. Of course I don't want to put the plate there, but I'm going to be working to fix the mounting bracket, and want to know if I can get by with sticking the plate up in the windshield in the interim. I know there are upper and lower height limits for the mounting of plates, but that's about all I know on this. Brian 83 240D 84 Saab 900 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
