Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:20:35 -0500 Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A year ago, ATT was blocking Netflix; Verizon sold Durham to Frontier, who is just horrid; Time Warner will send you to collections even if you are paid up, doesn't provide service, etc. etc.. Same issues for everyone. We all hate all the local providers. Network neutrality was one of the few things we all agreed on, at least to a few months back. (The big challenge is reasonable network management, but ultimately you have to trust the company to do the right thing, or else regulate them to do something specific.) Wow! We have it good here in New Mexico! We have telephone service through CenturyLink. They provide our DSL service and send the stream to South West Cyber Port, our ISP. SWCP is a small, very service-oriented company. They have been very helpful with our dealings with CenturyLink (to get the DSL line working properly) and updated our Cisco 877 DSL modem and provided a programming script without charge. They are hosting our two domains and all our email accounts. We will continue to use them after we move to Indiana. The rules do not guarantee access like the CLECs used to have, at least according to the FCC commissioner. What's a CLEC? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I have two choices for ISP, Comcast or Verizon. Comcast offers faster service but requires me to pay a $200 setup fee for which they'll do exactly nothing. Nobody comes to my house, no wires are moved, nothing. Verizon is a little cheaper but its also slower. Recently we've had trouble with it getting so slow my phone was faster. Similar to Craig's situation while Verizon actually provides the DSL line my service is through DSL Extreme. This costs me a couple bucks extra a month but means I don't have to deal with Verizon directly. I complained and DSL Extreme got on Verizon's case. It turns out my DSLAM (digital subscriber line access multiplexer) is overloaded. They moved me to another DSLAM which is also overloaded but not as overloaded as the first one and things have gotten better. The problem is there are effectively zero consumer protections here. I'm paying for 3Mb/s and if I get 2.5Mb/s thats adequate but there is in fact no bottom limit. I could get 100Kb/s and as long as I'm connected Verizon is safe. Since there are no consumer protections and effectively no choices since Comcast is consistently rated one of the worst companies in the world, Verizon has no push to upgrade infrastructure... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:20:35 -0500 Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A year ago, ATT was blocking Netflix; Verizon sold Durham to Frontier, who is just horrid; Time Warner will send you to collections even if you are paid up, doesn't provide service, etc. etc.. Same issues for everyone. We all hate all the local providers. Network neutrality was one of the few things we all agreed on, at least to a few months back. (The big challenge is reasonable network management, but ultimately you have to trust the company to do the right thing, or else regulate them to do something specific.) Wow! We have it good here in New Mexico! We have telephone service through CenturyLink. They provide our DSL service and send the stream to South West Cyber Port, our ISP. SWCP is a small, very service-oriented company. They have been very helpful with our dealings with CenturyLink (to get the DSL line working properly) and updated our Cisco 877 DSL modem and provided a programming script without charge. They are hosting our two domains and all our email accounts. We will continue to use them after we move to Indiana. The rules do not guarantee access like the CLECs used to have, at least according to the FCC commissioner. What's a CLEC? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Not unlike selling people mortgages they could not afford to help them. -Original Message- From: On Behalf Of clay via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 7:49 PM Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
You might want to change the subject line or better yet, stay on topic. :) On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:48 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families. There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying, or not showing the policy has been paid regularly. Sick people go to the doctor and learn they are not covered, but they had paid. System screws up and they are holding the bag. Costs are not being reimbursed. Thousands are run through the wringer. The latest screwing over has the computers jacking up the monthly fees that are sucked out of users accounts exponentially. The premium was supposed to be $200, and the computer then steals $1300 from their bank. The family now faces all manner of mischief. The osamacare plan takes multiple excess payments from their bank, wipes out their balance, and the banks ding them with NSF fees. Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more NSF fees are accrued. Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the next osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole mess goes into the crapper. Family is now facing ruined credit, hassle from mortgage holder, car in repossession process, and the plan has been slow to give back the stolen funds. Did I mention that without money to pay bills or shop for groceries, the families are taking it in the pants. This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet the needs of the individual. clay On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families. There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying, or not showing the policy has been paid regularly. Sick people go to the doctor and learn they are not covered, but they had paid. System screws up and they are holding the bag. Costs are not being reimbursed. Thousands are run through the wringer. The latest screwing over has the computers jacking up the monthly fees that are sucked out of users accounts exponentially. The premium was supposed to be $200, and the computer then steals $1300 from their bank. The family now faces all manner of mischief. The osamacare plan takes multiple excess payments from their bank, wipes out their balance, and the banks ding them with NSF fees. Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more NSF fees are accrued. Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the next osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole mess goes into the crapper. Family is now facing ruined credit, hassle from mortgage holder, car in repossession process, and the plan has been slow to give back the stolen funds. Did I mention that without money to pay bills or shop for groceries, the families are taking it in the pants. This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet the needs of the individual. clay On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families. There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying, or not showing the policy has been paid regularly. Sick people go to the doctor and learn they are not covered, but they had paid. System screws up and they are holding the bag. Costs are not being reimbursed. Thousands are run through the wringer. The latest screwing over has the computers jacking up the monthly fees that are sucked out of users accounts exponentially. The premium was supposed to be $200, and the computer then steals $1300 from their bank. The family now faces all manner of mischief. The osamacare plan takes multiple excess payments from their bank, wipes out their balance, and the banks ding them with NSF fees. Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more NSF fees are accrued. Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the next osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole mess goes into the crapper. Family is now facing ruined credit, hassle from mortgage holder, car in repossession process, and the plan has been slow to give back the stolen funds. Did I mention that without money to pay bills or shop for groceries, the families are taking it in the pants. This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet the needs of the individual. clay It is working exactly as designed. Massive screwups, resulting in a huge outcry form the sheeple. resulting in the goobermnt taking over fo da good of da chilluns ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Curt wrote: You know she was taken out of context right? It doesn't matter. All that is done but the sound bite remains a fox to quote. As with all politics, it makes zero sense. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Grant wrote: This troubles me. Deeply. Yes! But there is nothing to be done for or against this. That is the large disappointment I sense. Gov't might be good if it was limited to intention rather than guidelines and rules. As in any human organization the guidelines and rules become onerous, i.e. religion, gov't. An organization loses sight of its intention and instead gets itself wrapped in its underwear with rules and regulations rather than intention. Failure rather than success happens. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. --R Have you read the 300+ pages of the regulations that were voted on? What was voted on? By whom? Certainly not voted on by the public or congress. This is a dictate, dictated by our dear leader. I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. You missed the socialist power grabbers who wrote it and approved it Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. BY DESIGN, Same as ACA. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Roger wrote: ...as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility... There are no details! That is the complaint I hear. It is all ACA all over again. Pass the legislation so we can read it - sounds like Nanny Pelozi all over again. A utility - yeah, those large monopolies that supply the necessary juice to your dwelling. Yeah, how has that worked for all of us? It will be another thing priced beyond my willing ability to afford. I will be priced back to rural china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
You know she was taken out of context right? She said the words but they leave out the sentence before... -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality Roger wrote: ...as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility... There are no details! That is the complaint I hear. It is all ACA all over again. Pass the legislation so we can read it - sounds like Nanny Pelozi all over again. A utility - yeah, those large monopolies that supply the necessary juice to your dwelling. Yeah, how has that worked for all of us? It will be another thing priced beyond my willing ability to afford. I will be priced back to rural china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
You have to pass it to see what's in it only works with stool samples, not government regulations or bills before Congress... The intense secrecy prior to this vote with copies of what was being proposed not being allowed proper and full review really gave the whole undertaking that stool sample smell. As a functioning member of the public.. my level of trust as regards what will happen after the public announcement is in the uber minus range.. We now have a government system of agencies who pass and enforce regulations which have the force of law, without our Representative system ever passing such a law. Taxation without Representation once had enough meaning that men went to battle... apparently.. not now. This troubles me. Deeply. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/ Many of us see the U.S. government as a benevolent and all-knowing parent with the best interests of you and me, its children, at heart. I see the U.S. government as a dangerous tyrant, influenced by large corporate interests, seeking to control everyone and everything. Perhaps these diverging perspectives on the nature of the U.S. government are what account for a majority of the debate between proponents and opponents of Net Neutrality. If I believed the U.S. government was omniscient, had only good intentions, and that those intentions would never change, I would be in favor of Net Neutrality and more. But it wasn’t all that long ago that FDR was locking up U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry in concentration camps and Woodrow Wilson was outlawing political dissent. More recently we’ve seen the U.S. government fight unjust wars, topple elected democracies, and otherwise interfere in world affairs. We’ve seen the same government execute its own citizens in violation of Fifth Amendment rights http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/19/197159/judge-torn-over-lawsuit-in-drone.html guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Simply put–I don’t trust the U.S. government. Nor do I trust any other government, even if “my team” wins the election. I see any increase in regulation, however well-intentioned, however beneficial to me today, as leading to less freedom for me and society in the long term. For this reason those who rose up against SOPA and PIPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA a few years ago should be equally opposed to Net Neutrality. 'Nuff said. -MMM- On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BIngo!DING DING DING! We have a WInner! Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-foundation-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702 --R On 2/27/15 8:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I would look closely at your bill to see exactly what the fees and taxes are - a number of them are there to benefit the service provider, and they exploit the heck out of them, of course! What I think was most important for this is the two items: 1.) The ISPs can't throttle or restrict bandwidth for anyone; and, 2.) Local providers can build out and compete with their own infrastructure Number two is probably the most important, in my opinion, as there have been specific examples where the telcos have restricted or refused to provide services to certain areas, mainly because they can't do it at the level of profit they expect. This hurts rural and last mile customers the most. This is despite there being regulations that require them to provide the services in these areas as a part of being a utility. Here is an example of Verizon collecting money to upgrade systems then refusing to maintain what's already in place: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/fire-island-erupts-over-v_b_3531584.html Follow the money... Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:22 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
The Internet is working just fine, why get Uncle Sam involved? That worked out so well with health insurance. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:22 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. I would point to the TechDirt blog for some good discussion on this subject if you're interested. Not surprisingly, Verizon was the biggest whiner about it, as they have the most to lose. Probably one of the best things to come out of the Title II ruling was the deregulation of local service providers. The big telcos/ISPs have successfully promoted and lobbied for state laws that prevent local providers from competing for broadband services or building out their own infrastructure. This harkens back to the days of the municipal cable TV systems, when cities and towns built out their own systems. When broadband services started to become available, the big guys did everything they could to prevent smaller entities, private or public, from building out their own infrastructure. That has now been eliminated, meaning that underserved areas that were deemed unprofitable for the big guys to develop can now be served by municipal or private companies. These last mile customers are now no longer being screwed by the big telcos and effectively locked out of being a part of a broadband system, or having to rely on slow and expensive alternatives, such as satellite. It's all good for the most part, but even after the 60 days are up and it's adopted, the big carriers will spend millions to challenge it in court, I'm sure. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Thanks Dan. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. -Curt From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Incorrect on every point. This is about getting the big ISPs regulated correctly and prevents them stifling competition. Without it we'll never see another YouTube or Facebook or Google develop because the ISPs will charge them so much for bandwidth they'll never be able to get off the ground. I'd like to see it go further and prevent the ISPs from being anything other than portals. Clearly companies like Comcast with their services that compete with things like Youtube and Netflix put them in a position where they are tempted to abuse their access to users... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people. It is as much about net' and neutrality as the afffordable care act was about affordable health care. You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP you will save $2500 etc It is all lies. Just like ACA, We can't find out what is in it until it is put in force by dictate. Where is the Act of Congress? it is about command and control. We lose choices and get regulated and taxed even more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/ Many of us see the U.S. government as a benevolent and all-knowing parent with the best interests of you and me, its children, at heart. I see the U.S. government as a dangerous tyrant, influenced by large corporate interests, seeking to control everyone and everything. Perhaps these diverging perspectives on the nature of the U.S. government are what account for a majority of the debate between proponents and opponents of Net Neutrality. If I believed the U.S. government was omniscient, had only good intentions, and that those intentions would never change, I would be in favor of Net Neutrality and more. But it wasn’t all that long ago that FDR was locking up U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry in concentration camps and Woodrow Wilson was outlawing political dissent. More recently we’ve seen the U.S. government fight unjust wars, topple elected democracies, and otherwise interfere in world affairs. We’ve seen the same government execute its own citizens in violation of Fifth Amendment rights http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/19/197159/judge-torn-over-lawsuit-in-drone.html guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Simply put–I don’t trust the U.S. government. Nor do I trust any other government, even if “my team” wins the election. I see any increase in regulation, however well-intentioned, however beneficial to me today, as leading to less freedom for me and society in the long term. For this reason those who rose up against SOPA and PIPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA a few years ago should be equally opposed to Net Neutrality. 'Nuff said. -MMM- On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BIngo!DING DING DING! We have a WInner! Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
BIngo!DING DING DING! We have a WInner! Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of roughly 25% in taxes, some of which I have no idea what they are. So, I think net neutrality is one of those defined as the best of intentions, but really a piece of crap when it finally gets implemented. No, I'm NOT defending Comcast as I've had a love/hate relationship with them since 1999, but for the price, they are still the best of my choices. Now, if the FCC has their way, I'm sure taxes will get added and I'll pay more for what I'm currently getting. Just my thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. I am 100% with Dan and Curt on this, in theory. The cable and telephone companies have been enjoying enforced monopoly status, but (at least since they stopped rolling out wire) haven't been providing any real benefit to the public in exchange for their continued monopoly position. At least in the urban central NC areas, this means they have perpetually raised rates without investing in infrastructure, and so now have a non-competitive, unreliable, overpriced product - or at least, it seems like it should be relatively so, given that we aren't allowed to get offerings from other companies. If I wouldn't get shot or put in jail for calling Comcast or Charter or some other non-preordained wireline service provider, I would probably be against incremental regulation... But the fact is that I -would- end up facing the full force of the law, and Time Warner could call the cops if I got Charter to agree to service my house - a house they won't actually service, incidentally, but that got put in their territory long before I was born. If the providers are going to get unique protection of government then they should at least suck it up and not abuse their customers. When Great Britain has a freer ISP market than the US, you know there is a problem. That said the FCC document is still secret, so who knows what was actually recommended. Best, Tim does not pull cable with his MBZs... yet... also does not have broadband access, according to the federal definition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. Curt, You are right, except that going forward the governments (state and local) will now have the authority and justification to add more taxes. If you want to give the government more money, just increase your federal tax check. I for one, already pay way too much. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Incorrect on every point. Curt, Sorry, but I think you are incorrect on every point. I hope you remember how much better and cheaper phone service would be if it was just all deregulated. And natural gas. And everything else where our wonderful government has gotten involved. Great mess we have now. It's about the control and taxes plain and simple. I went to the website and left my comments before they voted while it was still open for public comment. If you did, that was great. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
A would suggest that if anyone here wants to see one of the most monopolistic ISP/telco arrangements in the country they look at West Virginia. Frontier has a death grip on the state's infrastructure and controls it ruthlessly, as well as the legislature. I'm sure if you look in the Google you'll see plenty about it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:19 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. Curt, You are right, except that going forward the governments (state and local) will now have the authority and justification to add more taxes. If you want to give the government more money, just increase your federal tax check. I for one, already pay way too much. Best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I'm no IT expert, but spent 32 years as a US Govt. employee. I am familiar with govt. doublespeak, so fully comprehend what Net Neutrality actually means. What little has been leaked out about the regulations mentioned that the FCC would require that material on the internet would be required to provide a benefit to the public. The example that the NBCTV press gave was preventing jihadi propaganda on the 'net. Well, who could disagree with that goal? But there are many views that I would consider essential to our freedom that I am SURE would fall into that same (not beneficial to the public) category for this administration. Look at the banking regulators discouraging banks from providing services to perfectly lawful firearms dealers. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:17 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
It is as much about that as the ACA is about healthcare. (only makes it worse and way more costly) THat is why you can't read it. Oppose it. Favor it or do nothing: you will get worse service for a lot more money On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. I am 100% with Dan and Curt on this, in theory. The cable and telephone companies have been enjoying enforced monopoly status, but (at least since they stopped rolling out wire) haven't been providing any real benefit to the public in exchange for their continued monopoly position. At least in the urban central NC areas, this means they have perpetually raised rates without investing in infrastructure, and so now have a non-competitive, unreliable, overpriced product - or at least, it seems like it should be relatively so, given that we aren't allowed to get offerings from other companies. If I wouldn't get shot or put in jail for calling Comcast or Charter or some other non-preordained wireline service provider, I would probably be against incremental regulation... But the fact is that I -would- end up facing the full force of the law, and Time Warner could call the cops if I got Charter to agree to service my house - a house they won't actually service, incidentally, but that got put in their territory long before I was born. If the providers are going to get unique protection of government then they should at least suck it up and not abuse their customers. When Great Britain has a freer ISP market than the US, you know there is a problem. That said the FCC document is still secret, so who knows what was actually recommended. Best, Tim does not pull cable with his MBZs... yet... also does not have broadband access, according to the federal definition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. Curt, You are right, except that going forward the governments (state and local) will now have the authority and justification to add more taxes. If you want to give the government more money, just increase your federal tax check. I for one, already pay way too much. ? You're both wrong, the cable companies paid for their monopolies: - roll out requirements - public service channels, sometimes including facilities - utility commission oversight - campaign support to public officials Once roll out was complete, they continued public service channels and campaign financing. In NC cable companies are regulated only by the state (as of a few years ago), so they only have to bribe state officials to reduce the other payments. That's every bit as tax as the $0.70 USF on my phone bill. Besides, you don't need Title II to get a unit tax like the USF - congress / state / local lawmakers don't seem to have a problem letting regulators add fees on a whim. In this area we have a special tax on car rentals, for example. Best, Tim ex-member of the Cable TV Advisory Board for Durham ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Help us understand why anything is incorrect. Have you read the 300+ pages of the regulations that were voted on? It is my understanding that the proposed regs had not been released to the public (by the most transparent administration in history) so it would be kinda hard to know what it all covered. And any reports apparently would be by leaks or propaganda about it? I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. --R On 2/27/15 12:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Incorrect on every point. This is about getting the big ISPs regulated correctly and prevents them stifling competition. Without it we'll never see another YouTube or Facebook or Google develop because the ISPs will charge them so much for bandwidth they'll never be able to get off the ground. I'd like to see it go further and prevent the ISPs from being anything other than portals. Clearly companies like Comcast with their services that compete with things like Youtube and Netflix put them in a position where they are tempted to abuse their access to users... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
Draft regulations were out for public review and have been vetted. Final regulations are edited and completed for forwarding to Congress 60 days after the FCC approves them, I believe. One of the concerns is that the dissenting committee members will take a long time or stonewall on turning in their final edits. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Help us understand why anything is incorrect. Have you read the 300+ pages of the regulations that were voted on? It is my understanding that the proposed regs had not been released to the public (by the most transparent administration in history) so it would be kinda hard to know what it all covered. And any reports apparently would be by leaks or propaganda about it? I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. --R On 2/27/15 12:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Incorrect on every point. This is about getting the big ISPs regulated correctly and prevents them stifling competition. Without it we'll never see another YouTube or Facebook or Google develop because the ISPs will charge them so much for bandwidth they'll never be able to get off the ground. I'd like to see it go further and prevent the ISPs from being anything other than portals. Clearly companies like Comcast with their services that compete with things like Youtube and Netflix put them in a position where they are tempted to abuse their access to users... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
A would suggest that if anyone here wants to see one of the most monopolistic ISP/telco arrangements in the country they look at West Virginia. Frontier has a death grip on the state's infrastructure and controls it ruthlessly, as well as the legislature. Dan, I think you need to look deeper than Google, which sometimes is like just looking at Snopes. Frontier came into WV and invested a lot of money, time, equipment, personnel, etc. into helping education when no other companies would. Since WV is really mountainous, etc. Frontier helped the schools with distance learning labs at both the county school and state college/university levels. WV now has probably one of the better networked and distance learning setups in the country. And a lot of this was provided free by Frontier. Now, I'm not saying they may not now be asking for the control/return on earlier investment. But sometimes you need to look at the total picture. Just some extra info from one of those hillbillies. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is as much about that as the ACA is about healthcare. (only makes it worse and way more costly) THat is why you can't read it. Oppose it. Favor it or do nothing: you will get worse service for a lot more money I work in an area that is very heavy with technology jobs - Cisco, Broadcom, EMC, NetApp, Google, SAS, Qualcomm, Merrill Lynch, GSK, etc. Political views are all literally over the map - broadly, Chapel Hill is very Democrat, Cary is very Libertarian and/or conservative, Durham is very liberal, Raleigh is very Republican. We don't agree on much, lunch is usually interesting when there is politics afoot. A year ago, ATT was blocking Netflix; Verizon sold Durham to Frontier, who is just horrid; Time Warner will send you to collections even if you are paid up, doesn't provide service, etc. etc.. Same issues for everyone. We all hate all the local providers. Network neutrality was one of the few things we all agreed on, at least to a few months back. (The big challenge is reasonable network management, but ultimately you have to trust the company to do the right thing, or else regulate them to do something specific.) Reasoning seemed to be: - The liberals resent that ISPs are milking them for every dime, coming and going. And that they can buy politicians or whatever. If I had a nickel for every mention of Citizens United... - The conservatives resent that ISPs restrict access to legal content on a whim, like 3-D gun models or sites they decide not to like, often for political reasons. - The libertarians resent the enforced non-competition and fleecing of customers. - The neo-liberals resent that those of us living in rural areas don't get access to a network, and aren't allowed to get access to a network. We nerds were talking about this long before Obama and the news organizations weighed in. (This was back when we thought the FCC chair was just another patsy for the CTIA, like his predecessor.) The courts ruled that Verizon needed to be regulated as a utility in order to be restricted by such rules as 'provide access to legal content' and 'not block competing content' and 'not block things you don't like for political reasons', even as a monopoly provider. Given that Verizon was already doing all three of these (hence the lawsuit), and the only way to change the behavior was to implement the rules, we were basically all in favor of implementing the rules. I'm more libertarian than most of my colleagues/friends so it was a harder sell for me. Pragmatically, I don't see how we can get any real deregulation in the ISP market, so if there is going to be content-blocking and whatnot going on I'd rather it be done publicly rather than by private corporations at random. At least if we're going to block the American Nazi Party or the IRA or the RNC we'll know it's blocked, as opposed to what Verizon was doing and silently killing off sites they didn't like. Frankly our infrastructure is bad, and expensive, and has a terrible reputation for reliability, but that's not something the FCC is addressing. The new rules, according to what has actually been said by actual FCC commissioners, will make it harder to block content, which may or may not lead to higher prices. The rules do not guarantee access like the CLECs used to have, at least according to the FCC commissioner. Of course the FCC doesn't publish interim rules, so while theoretically something has been done we won't know until it's official. Obviously I have a problem with that, but if the rules are too far from what was presented a few weeks ago then the FCC will lose its allies and Congress will happily overturn them posthaste, so I expect they are mostly similar to what we nerds were wanting. Anyway, that to say that as a nerd I'm pretty happy with what has been publicly discussed by the FCC folks, from an IT/legal standpoint. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: FCC Net Neutrality
I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
