subject:"\[MBZ\] The Search Continues..."

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
> compartment.

The downside is that they can and do fail. They are working in one of
the hottest parts of the engine bay. I don't know about MB fans but this
was a weak point when I owned a VW Jetta that had an electric fan. I
replaced it at least three times during my ownership.

Of course, the belt can fail on belt-driven fans, but IMO there's more
opportunity to see that coming and deal with it proactively.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I also believe 2000 was the first year that ESP was standard in the 
210.1999
A non-ESP 210, even 4Matic, is tail-happy when you hit the throttle in 
the snow.
I used to practice powersliding my 1999 wagon in a parking lot in early 
snows every year.
I could usually catch the slide without lifting off the gas on the first 
attempt without overcorrecting by more than a foot, but after the first 
time each year I was pretty good at not losing the rear end in the first 
place and never overcorrected again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ2OYYeGPrk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8h3Kv7fU1A


BTW, even though 11'8" is now 12'4", they're still hitting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR5MlZHA1fo

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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-11 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

I *think* the facelift (2000-2002, 2003 for the wagon) cars have additional 
structural rigidity, or something related to the safety of the passengers.

Couldn't stop myself. Quote from the '99 crash test. "Additional structural 
changes were made beginning with the 2000 E class models manufactured after 
January 2000, so the listed ratings do not apply to the latest models".

Links.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/mercedes-benz/e-class-4-door-sedan/1999

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/mercedes-benz/e-class-4-door-sedan/2001

Obviously no one intentionally crashes a car. That said, A.M. Booth drove 
Mercedes for the safety aspect. At least two members here have been in crashes 
that may have turned out differently in a lesser marque.

Safer is better.
Worth a thought.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I think the lack of an engine driven fan is what threw me off. I thought that 
was one of the indicators of a facelift car. Now I know better. Thanks!

I’m thinking about making the guy an offer of maybe $2600 and seeing what his 
reaction is. It still listed today, so I don’t think he’s had any takers yet. 
He said there were some people who were supposed to come by yesterday and look 
at it.

Hmm.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 99 will not have steering wheel controls, that started in 00 with the 
> facelift models. Every year from 96-99 was just a little bit different then 
> the facelift models were pretty much the same till the end of the run. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have 
>> to go back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been 
>> confusing it with the 2001 I looked at today.
>> 
>> I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
>> compartment.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan 
>>> started 99 pre facelift. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer 
 stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the 
 engine driven one.
 
 -D
 
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that 
> emails them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the 
> information. I might still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
> 
> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are 
> really slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it 
> seems. I hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I 
> also don’t want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it 
> before I drive it across country.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >> > wrote:
>> 
>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>> 
>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> >> wrote:
>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something 
>> that’s common around here.
>> 
>> First one:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>>  
>> >  
>> >  
>> >>
>> 
>> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called 
>> him out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long 
>> as the price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior 
>> probably an 8 out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate 
>> and connector body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car 
>> drives well, everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the 
>> VMI on it yet, hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know 
>> what his position is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents 
>> reported against it, none major (“no damage reported”) except one in 
>> 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>> 
>> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>> 
>> 
>> Number two:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

The 99 will not have steering wheel controls, that started in 00 with the 
facelift models. Every year from 96-99 was just a little bit different then the 
facelift models were pretty much the same till the end of the run. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have to 
> go back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been 
> confusing it with the 2001 I looked at today.
> 
> I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
> compartment.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan 
>> started 99 pre facelift. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer 
>>> stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the 
>>> engine driven one.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
 them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that 
 emails them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the 
 information. I might still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
 
 We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are 
 really slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it 
 seems. I hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I 
 also don’t want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it 
 before I drive it across country.
 
 -D
 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > > wrote:
> 
> Can just the owner order a VMI?
> 
> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> >> wrote:
> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something 
> that’s common around here.
> 
> First one:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
>  
>   
>   
> >>
> 
> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called 
> him out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as 
> the price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably 
> an 8 out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and 
> connector body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car 
> drives well, everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the 
> VMI on it yet, hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know 
> what his position is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents 
> reported against it, none major (“no damage reported”) except one in 
> 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
> 
> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
> 
> 
> Number two:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
>  
>   
> 
>  
>   
>

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have to go 
back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been confusing 
it with the 2001 I looked at today.

I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
compartment.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan 
> started 99 pre facelift. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff 
>> in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine 
>> driven one.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
>>> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that 
>>> emails them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. 
>>> I might still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
>>> slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
>>> hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
>>> want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive 
>>> it across country.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:

 Can just the owner order a VMI?

 $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> >> wrote:
 Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
 common around here.

 First one:

 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html

 >

 >>

 Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called 
 him out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as 
 the price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably 
 an 8 out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and 
 connector body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives 
 well, everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it 
 yet, hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his 
 position is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against 
 it, none major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears 
 to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.

 I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.

 Number two:

 https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html

 >

 >>

 Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling 
 the whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As 
 soon as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would 
 look just in case - you never know unless you look, right?

 Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, 
 the

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan started 
99 pre facelift. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff 
> in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine 
> driven one.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
>> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails 
>> them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might 
>> still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
>> 
>> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
>> slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
>> hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
>> want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive 
>> it across country.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>>> 
>>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>>> 
 On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 >> wrote:
>>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
>>> common around here.
>>> 
>>> First one:
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him 
>>> out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the 
>>> price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 
>>> out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector 
>>> body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, 
>>> everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, 
>>> hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position 
>>> is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none 
>>> major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have 
>>> been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>>> 
>>> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Number two:
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling 
>>> the whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As 
>>> soon as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look 
>>> just in case - you never know unless you look, right?
>>> 
>>> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, 
>>> the miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less 
>>> than 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a 
>>> summer car for a snowbird. No such luck.
>>> 
>>> While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the 
>>> front of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage 
>>> metal from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, 
>>> and they were

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

This is a 99 model year, but it’s definitely a facelift model as it has all the 
stuff. I don’t know when the change took place exactly.

Delivery date was 10-5-98, “approximate” build date was October as well 
according to the data card.

Steering wheel control buttons, door mirror turn signal indicators, etc., etc.

I was surprised as well when I opened the hood, as a giveaway is the change to 
an electric cooling fan.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-10 19:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer
>> stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the
>> engine driven one.
> 
> I thought the main facelifts were
> 
> 1998: optional 4matic, optional ESP.
> 
> 2000: lower ride height, different plastic body parts, door mirror turn 
> signals, steering wheel control buttons...
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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


On 2020-10-10 19:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer
stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the
engine driven one.



I thought the main facelifts were

1998: optional 4matic, optional ESP.

2000: lower ride height, different plastic body parts, door mirror turn 
signals, steering wheel control buttons...


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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff in 
the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine driven one.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails 
> them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might 
> still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
> 
> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
> slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
> hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
> want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive 
> it across country.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>> 
>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
>> common around here.
>> 
>> First one:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>>  
>> >  
>> >  
>> >>
>> 
>> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him 
>> out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the 
>> price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 
>> out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector 
>> body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, 
>> everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, 
>> hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position is 
>> on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none 
>> major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have 
>> been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>> 
>> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>> 
>> 
>> Number two:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>>  
>> >  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >>
>> 
>> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling 
>> the whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As 
>> soon as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look 
>> just in case - you never know unless you look, right?
>> 
>> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, 
>> the miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less 
>> than 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a 
>> summer car for a snowbird. No such luck.
>> 
>> While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the 
>> front of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage 
>> metal from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, 
>> and they were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole ‘nother 
>> story. On top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too, something 
>> you can’t see in the pictures.
>> 
>> I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the 
>> guy’s time, but immediately crossed it off

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Yeah, I know, but I’m not looking for a project, I’m looking for something with 
lower miles that needs a good Martha’ing and some basic maintenance and be 
ready to make a 1200 mile trip without incident. I don’t need to shuttle a car 
until the end of November, but if I get something now I can use it as a DD and 
be comfortable that it’s in good running condition and won’t need additional 
work to make it bulletproof.

There are some potential project cars on the current market, but between the 
crappy weather (heat) here and the limited amount of time I have to wrench 
right now they just don’t make good sense. I’ll pay my money up front in this 
case and get something I’m confident is solid.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They first one looks decent, would likely be reasonable at $2800 though it 
> would pain me to pay that much!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic,
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting them 
look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails them to 
me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might still get 
it today, if not, Monday for sure.

We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive it 
across country.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Can just the owner order a VMI?
> 
> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
> common around here.
> 
> First one:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him 
> out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the 
> price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 out 
> of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector body as 
> well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, everything 
> works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, hoping to get 
> one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position is on price. 
> Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none major (“no 
> damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired 
> at the dealer in Sarasota.
> 
> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
> 
> 
> Number two:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling the 
> whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As soon 
> as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look just 
> in case - you never know unless you look, right?
> 
> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, the 
> miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less than 
> 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a summer 
> car for a snowbird. No such luck.
> 
> While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the 
> front of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage 
> metal from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, and 
> they were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole ‘nother 
> story. On top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too, something 
> you can’t see in the pictures.
> 
> I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the 
> guy’s time, but immediately crossed it off the list. And also - it had a CEL 
> and BAS/ABS lights, which of course the seller failed to mention. “My 
> mechanic said it’s something that’s got to do with the wheel sensors”, he 
> said. Yeah, I’ll bet every one of them is rusty.
> 
> Pass.
> 
> I’m giving some serious thought on the first one until I can see the VMI. If 
> it was pranged and the dealer fixed it, I’m fine with that. I didn’t see any 
> indication of body repairs, so whoever did the work did it well. And I would 
> add that the seller disclosed the accident reports when he showed me the car, 
> as he had a CarFax for it that I didn’t look at.
> 
> Hmm.
> 
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2020-10-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

They first one looks decent, would likely be reasonable at $2800 though it 
would pain me to pay that much!

--FT
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> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic,

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2020-10-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Can just the owner order a VMI?

$2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s
> common around here.
>
> First one:
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
> >
>
> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called
> him out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as
> the price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an
> 8 out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector
> body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well,
> everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet,
> hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position
> is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none
> major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have
> been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>
> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>
>
> Number two:
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
> >
>
> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling
> the whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As
> soon as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look
> just in case - you never know unless you look, right?
>
> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly,
> the miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less
> than 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a
> summer car for a snowbird. No such luck.
>
> While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the
> front of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage
> metal from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms,
> and they were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole
> ‘nother story. On top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too,
> something you can’t see in the pictures.
>
> I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the
> guy’s time, but immediately crossed it off the list. And also - it had a
> CEL and BAS/ABS lights, which of course the seller failed to mention. “My
> mechanic said it’s something that’s got to do with the wheel sensors”, he
> said. Yeah, I’ll bet every one of them is rusty.
>
> Pass.
>
> I’m giving some serious thought on the first one until I can see the VMI.
> If it was pranged and the dealer fixed it, I’m fine with that. I didn’t see
> any indication of body repairs, so whoever did the work did it well. And I
> would add that the seller disclosed the accident reports when he showed me
> the car, as he had a CarFax for it that I didn’t look at.
>
> Hmm.
>
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2020-10-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s
common around here.

First one:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html

Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him out
on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the price is
reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 out of 10.
When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector body as well as
front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, everything works from
what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, hoping to get one before the
end of the day. Don’t know what his position is on price. Looks like it’s got
three accidents reported against it, none major (“no damage reported”) except
one in 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.

I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.

Number two:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html

Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling the
whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As soon as
I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look just in
case - you never know unless you look, right?

Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, the
miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less than
3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a summer
car for a snowbird. No such luck.

While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the front
of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage metal
from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, and they
were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole ‘nother story. On
top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too, something you can’t
see in the pictures.

I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the guy’s
time, but immediately crossed it off the list. And also - it had a CEL and
BAS/ABS lights, which of course the seller failed to mention. “My mechanic said
it’s something that’s got to do with the wheel sensors”, he said. Yeah, I’ll
bet every one of them is rusty.

Pass.

I’m giving some serious thought on the first one until I can see the VMI. If it
was pranged and the dealer fixed it, I’m fine with that. I didn’t see any
indication of body repairs, so whoever did the work did it well. And I would
add that the seller disclosed the accident reports when he showed me the car,
as he had a CarFax for it that I didn’t look at.

Hmm.

-D
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2018-11-20 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

Probably not what you are looking for.  Only one here

clay monroe
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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
> 
> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
> 
> W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a 
> 230S (67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111 
> diesel with a stick, ideally a floor shifter.
> 
> W108 6 cylinder sedan, manual or auto, AC would make it perfect but I can add 
> it later on, so lack of it is not a deal killer.
> 
> Late model Ponton, 180, 190, 220, etc.  Six cylinder preferred, not required.
> 
> No restoration candidates, that is, if it needs bodywork due to rust, I’m not 
> interested. I could deal with a minor bubble here or there, or tired paint 
> that needs to be buffed out, but no rusty rockers, fenders or door bottoms. I 
> can do anything but bodywork, so that takes potential candidates right out of 
> the running if they need paint or rust repair. I can do pretty much anything 
> else, so if a candidate has needs in the interior or mechanical areas I would 
> consider it. No major repairs, that is, I'm not looking to rebuild an engine 
> for example.
> 
> I don't want a project car. I am looking for a driver quality or better car. 
> I'm not expecting perfection, but I’m willing to spend up in the $10k range, 
> so that weeds out a lot of potential cars if they have anything significant 
> in the way of needs. I'll travel anywhere in the CONUS as long as I can find 
> someone trusted to vet the car prior to purchase.
> 
> Thanks to all,
> 
> Dan
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2018-11-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

GLWT Search!
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
>
> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
>
> W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a
> 230S (67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111
> diesel with a stick, ideally a floor shifter.
>
> W108 6 cylinder sedan, manual or auto, AC would make it perfect but I can
> add it later on, so lack of it is not a deal killer.
>
> Late model Ponton, 180, 190, 220, etc.  Six cylinder preferred, not
> required.
>
> No restoration candidates, that is, if it needs bodywork due to rust, I’m
> not interested. I could deal with a minor bubble here or there, or tired
> paint that needs to be buffed out, but no rusty rockers, fenders or door
> bottoms. I can do anything but bodywork, so that takes potential candidates
> right out of the running if they need paint or rust repair. I can do pretty
> much anything else, so if a candidate has needs in the interior or
> mechanical areas I would consider it. No major repairs, that is, I'm not
> looking to rebuild an engine for example.
>
> I don't want a project car. I am looking for a driver quality or better
> car. I'm not expecting perfection, but I’m willing to spend up in the $10k
> range, so that weeds out a lot of potential cars if they have anything
> significant in the way of needs. I'll travel anywhere in the CONUS as long
> as I can find someone trusted to vet the car prior to purchase.
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Dan
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2018-11-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

You know, Don, I wouldn’t be against that,  The thing that is holding me back 
is having a place to do it.  I just don’t have a space where I could have a 
vehicle out of service and carved up.  I will seriously consider taking some 
metalworking classes at the local vo-tech school when retirement time rolls 
around, for sure.  I’m sure i”m capable, I just don’t have the time, space or 
resources to do it at this point in my life.

I can stick weld 1/4” - 1/2" plate with a 400A Miller buzz box all day long.  
Working with sheet metal is not something I’ve done.

-D


> On Nov 19, 2018, at 6:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think now is the time to expand your skill set and learn new skills -
> body work. Welding if fun. Grinding is also fun - that shower of sparks!
> Learning new things keeps you young . . .
> 
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
>> 
>> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
>> 
>> W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a
>> 230S (67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111
>> diesel with a stick, ideally a floor shifter.
>> 
>> W108 6 cylinder sedan, manual or auto, AC would make it perfect but I can
>> add it later on, so lack of it is not a deal killer.
>> 
>> Late model Ponton, 180, 190, 220, etc.  Six cylinder preferred, not
>> required.
>> 
>> No restoration candidates, that is, if it needs bodywork due to rust, I’m
>> not interested. I could deal with a minor bubble here or there, or tired
>> paint that needs to be buffed out, but no rusty rockers, fenders or door
>> bottoms. I can do anything but bodywork, so that takes potential candidates
>> right out of the running if they need paint or rust repair. I can do pretty
>> much anything else, so if a candidate has needs in the interior or
>> mechanical areas I would consider it. No major repairs, that is, I'm not
>> looking to rebuild an engine for example.
>> 
>> I don't want a project car. I am looking for a driver quality or better
>> car. I'm not expecting perfection, but I’m willing to spend up in the $10k
>> range, so that weeds out a lot of potential cars if they have anything
>> significant in the way of needs. I'll travel anywhere in the CONUS as long
>> as I can find someone trusted to vet the car prior to purchase.
>> 
>> Thanks to all,
>> 
>> Dan
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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2018-11-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

 
Don says:


>I think now is the time to expand your skill >set and learn new skills -
>body work. Welding if fun. Grinding is also >fun - that shower of sparks!
>Learning new things keeps you young . . .


 Meh. He doesn't have acreage or an airplane hangar. He has an HOA, that he 
fortunately is the president of, I think. Paint fumes and HOA don't mix. 
Neither does dust and an attached garage where SWMBO car is parked. As for 
skills, I suspect Dan is quite capable of learning them, and being proficient 
in no time.    

Rick


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2018-11-19 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

I think now is the time to expand your skill set and learn new skills -
body work. Welding if fun. Grinding is also fun - that shower of sparks!
Learning new things keeps you young . . .

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
>
> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
>
> W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a
> 230S (67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111
> diesel with a stick, ideally a floor shifter.
>
> W108 6 cylinder sedan, manual or auto, AC would make it perfect but I can
> add it later on, so lack of it is not a deal killer.
>
> Late model Ponton, 180, 190, 220, etc.  Six cylinder preferred, not
> required.
>
> No restoration candidates, that is, if it needs bodywork due to rust, I’m
> not interested. I could deal with a minor bubble here or there, or tired
> paint that needs to be buffed out, but no rusty rockers, fenders or door
> bottoms. I can do anything but bodywork, so that takes potential candidates
> right out of the running if they need paint or rust repair. I can do pretty
> much anything else, so if a candidate has needs in the interior or
> mechanical areas I would consider it. No major repairs, that is, I'm not
> looking to rebuild an engine for example.
>
> I don't want a project car. I am looking for a driver quality or better
> car. I'm not expecting perfection, but I’m willing to spend up in the $10k
> range, so that weeds out a lot of potential cars if they have anything
> significant in the way of needs. I'll travel anywhere in the CONUS as long
> as I can find someone trusted to vet the car prior to purchase.
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Dan
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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2018-11-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.

I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.

W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a 230S 
(67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111 diesel 
with a stick, ideally a floor shifter.

W108 6 cylinder sedan, manual or auto, AC would make it perfect but I can add 
it later on, so lack of it is not a deal killer.

Late model Ponton, 180, 190, 220, etc.  Six cylinder preferred, not required.

No restoration candidates, that is, if it needs bodywork due to rust, I’m not 
interested. I could deal with a minor bubble here or there, or tired paint that 
needs to be buffed out, but no rusty rockers, fenders or door bottoms. I can do 
anything but bodywork, so that takes potential candidates right out of the 
running if they need paint or rust repair. I can do pretty much anything else, 
so if a candidate has needs in the interior or mechanical areas I would 
consider it. No major repairs, that is, I'm not looking to rebuild an engine 
for example.

I don't want a project car. I am looking for a driver quality or better car. 
I'm not expecting perfection, but I’m willing to spend up in the $10k range, so 
that weeds out a lot of potential cars if they have anything significant in the 
way of needs. I'll travel anywhere in the CONUS as long as I can find someone 
trusted to vet the car prior to purchase.

Thanks to all,

Dan
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