Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[andrew strasfogel]

That sounds really uncomfortable.

On 8/30/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Thats why you keep them all loaded up and ready to go under your pillow.
> They wont look there.
> 
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 
> > The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
> >
> > I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my
> > bedroom. The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the
> > room, I waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not
> > run) through and out of the house - he left the back door open.
> > Apparently, the person was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had
> > a loaded N frame S&W .357 in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he
> > would have stolen it if I had not woken up.
> >
> > I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
> >
> > I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt.
> > Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in
> > some serious pain!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com 
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats why you keep them all loaded up and ready to go under your pillow. 
 They wont look there.


Tom Hargrave wrote:


The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
 
I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my 
bedroom. The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the 
room, I waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not 
run) through and out of the house - he left the back door open. 
Apparently, the person was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had 
a loaded N frame S&W .357 in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he 
would have stolen it if I had not woken up.
 
I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
 
I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt. 
Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in 
some serious pain!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

 



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Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Uhh, I dont think Hurtys employer will have a problem with his guns. 
He might get raped in the parking lot though.


Potter, Tom E wrote:

Good plan. Only problem we have here is that companies hassle you if you 
have a weapon in the parking lot. It does not matter that it is locked 
in the glove compartment; they consider it having a weapon on company 
property. BTW, there have been several abductions and rapes in our 
parking garage in the past few years.
 


Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536



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Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Gabriel S.]

just get a fucking guard dog...'nuff said.

On 8/30/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Mine were locked too - with deadbolt locks. The locks did not stop him 
> from dragging over a chair and prying open the laundry room window.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com/>
>  
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JabbaHursty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:54 PM 
> *To:* Mercedes mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!
> 
>  the door is locked. he'd have to break it open to enter. i imagine this 
> would even wake me up
> 
> 
> At 02:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
> 
> The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
> 
> I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom. 
> The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I 
> waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through 
> and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person 
> was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame S&W .357 
> in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had 
> not woken up.
> 
> I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
> 
> I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt. 
> Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some 
> serious pain!
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com/>
> 
> 
> ----------
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
> *On Behalf Of *JabbaHursty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
> *To:* Mercedes mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!
> 
> my strategy is simple.
> 
> i live alone. i keep the bedroom door locked. if you break in and i hear 
> you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait. if you try to break 
> the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if 
> you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun. 
> 
> it's a simple plan
> 
> if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up. it puts me at a large 
> disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
> child. 
> 
> i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office. our office park is 
> secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime. when i leave 
> at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm 
> carrying the .45
> 
> i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
> easily as wearing a cellphone.
> 
> i think i've got it fairly well covered
> 
> 
> At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
> 
> 
> sirs 
> the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
> than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against the 
> owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( common)
> my point here is a crook breaks 
> it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
> stuff quickly,quietly and legally 
> think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
> wakes you and all hell breaks loose can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
> called and on and on???
> and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late night 
> with his buddies 
> I have more guns than the navy 
> I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
> what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often are 
> stolen and later used against regular ppl 
> it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
> care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few 
> rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it 
> AND HAVE NOO IDEA of the law 
> 
> it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun with 
> 00 buckshot is really the way to go 
> A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
> EVERYTHING STOPPS
> B it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
> C it for all of its power can be fired quite comfortably by a woman 
> D ammo is cheep 
> it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a lot 
> to get the thing
> ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
> mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
> fired

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Tom Hargrave]

Mine were locked too - with deadbolt locks. The locks did not stop him from
dragging over a chair and prying open the laundry room window.
 

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com


 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of JabbaHursty
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!


the door is locked.  he'd have to break it open to enter.  i imagine this
would even wake me up


At 02:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
 
I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom.
The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I
waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through
and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person
was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame S&W .357
in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had
not woken up.
 
I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
 
I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt.
Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some
serious pain!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com/> 
 


  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of JabbaHursty
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to break
the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if
you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.  

it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a
child.  

i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i leave
at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm
carrying the .45

i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as easily
as wearing a cellphone.

i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:



sirs 
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home than
without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against the
owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( common)
my point here is a crook breaks  
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary
stuff quickly,quietly and legally  
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late night
with his buddies 
 I have more guns than the navy 
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often are
stolen  and later used against regular ppl 
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few
rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it  
AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law 
 
 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun with
00 buckshot is really the way to go 
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house
EVERYTHING STOPPS
B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman 
D ammo is cheep 
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a lot
to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by mossberg
running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore fired the
gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room 
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking is
simple  
 
 lastly 
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 MONTHS
OF LAW
LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 rounds
in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning
,action drills,
 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately... 
   it goes on and on  
 I am sure  you had the same training we did 
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell 
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Christopher McCann]

1. anything can be stolen and used for an evil purpose
by someone else. 
2. 7 weeks of law classes and you recommend someone to
pump their mossberg to clear the house?!?!?!? In
Missouri, that is called ESCALATION and if the bad guy
pulls a gun on you to defend HIMSELF against your
pumped Mossberg and then you shoot him - YOU GO TO
JAIL.
3. Most cops I have spoken to have ALOT more respect
for gun owners, maybe you've just run into alot of
idiots (which is possible, although I have not).
4. shotguns are quite indescriminate and would rather
stick with an AR carbine with telescoping stock which
will not overpenetrate, you WILL hit your target and
can be operated very handily even by my little wife.
5. you shoot people who are trying to kill you, not
people making noise in the living room, even univited
people at night.
6. "I am sure..." You're a cop. That's your job -
dealing with the horrible shit that idiots and
criminals do...but to transpose that onto MOST gun
owners is unfair.
7. weapons are unsed in self-defense in the US about 2
million times per year - 99% of the time a shot is
never fired. THe vast majority of these incidences are
never reported, so YUO don't see that, but you should
think about it...cuz otherwise you'd be picking up
alot more dead bodies of innocent victims.

Pax,

Christopher



--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> 
> sirs 
>  the reality or this matter is you are no safer with
> a gun in your  home than 
> without as a matter of fact firearms can and have
> been used against  the 
> owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a
> domestic disturbance  ( common)
> my point here is a crook breaks  
> it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do
> all of the necessary  
> stuff quickly,quietly and legally  
> think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of
> the sudden your  wife 
> wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be
> retrieved  loaded police called 
> and on and on???
>  and what if you found later it was your son
> sneaking in from a late  night 
> with his buddies 
> I have more guns than the navy 
>  I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
>  what I want is for folks to at least understand is
> guns can and often  are 
> stolen  and later used against regular ppl 
> it seems like most ppl who own firearms never
> receive any training in the  
> care storage and use of them ( just going off to a
> range or shooting a few  
> rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it  
> AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law 
>  
>  it is my strongly held belief for home protection a
> 410 pump  shotgun with 
> 00 buckshot is really the way to go 
> A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump
> gun in any house  
> EVERYTHING STOPPS
> B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal.
> magnum
>  C it for all of its power  can be fired quite
> comfortably  by a woman 
> D ammo is cheep 
>   it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the
> gun does not cost  a lot 
> to get the thing
> ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the
> cable lock made by mossberg  
> running thru the action so it could not be closed
> and therefore fired the  gun 
> can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a
> bed room 
> multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic
> locations  .. unlocking is 
> simple  
>  
>  lastly 
>  by the time recruits are taught anything about
> firearms its AFTER 7  MONTHS 
> OF LAW
> LAW...LAW!!
>   our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded
> to 3 weeks!  500 rounds 
> in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
> weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement,
> firearm safety, cleaning  
> ,action drills,
>  then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and 
> shoot accurately... 
>it goes on and on  
>  I am sure  you had the same training we did 
>  I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all
> shot to hell 
>  I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids
> in  anguish
>  I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you
> could get a  gun , make 
> there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
>  I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper
> playing amazing  grace..  and 
> the 21 gun salute that follows
>  
> so keep giving these people advice on keeping a
> loaded firearm in the house  
> around kids
>  
>  because I am sure about you 
>  
> mike collins
>  1985 500 sec 
>  
>  
> On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > A  gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO
> good when its needed.
> >  People who keep their guns locked up etc probably
> should not be owning
> >  guns in the first place if they are worried about
> their kids.  When  you
> > are a serious gun owner the first thing you should
> do is start out  very
> > early educating your kids about guns, and not
> touching them.   Sort of
> > takes the mystery out of it and they dont go
> messing with them  when you
> > are not at home.  I have plenty of weapons all
> loaded up  and ready to go
> > around the house a

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[JabbaHursty]

the door is locked.  he'd have to break it open to enter.  i imagine this 
would even wake me up



At 02:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.

I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom. 
The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I 
waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through 
and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person 
was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame S&W .357 
in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had 
not woken up.


I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.

I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt. 
Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some 
serious pain!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of JabbaHursty

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to 
break the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, 
but if you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i 
leave at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but 
i'm carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
easily as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a 
few rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking 
is simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gun that 

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[JabbaHursty]

rusty and I own the company.  rusty doesn't seem to mind




At 01:55 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:

Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
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boundary="_=_NextPart_001_01C5AD8B.F9179CD3"

Good plan. Only problem we have here is that companies hassle you if you 
have a weapon in the parking lot. It does not matter that it is locked in 
the glove compartment; they consider it having a weapon on company 
property. BTW, there have been several abductions and rapes in our parking 
garage in the past few years.



Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JabbaHursty

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to 
break the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, 
but if you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i 
leave at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but 
i'm carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
easily as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a 
few rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking 
is simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
> People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
> guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When you
> are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out very
> 

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Tom Hargrave]

The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
 
I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom.
The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I
waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through
and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person
was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame S&W .357
in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had
not woken up.
 
I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
 
I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt.
Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some
serious pain!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com


 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of JabbaHursty
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!


my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to break
the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if
you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.  

it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a
child.  

i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i leave
at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm
carrying the .45

i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as easily
as wearing a cellphone.

i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:



sirs 
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home than
without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against the
owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( common)
my point here is a crook breaks  
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary
stuff quickly,quietly and legally  
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late night
with his buddies 
 I have more guns than the navy 
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often are
stolen  and later used against regular ppl 
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few
rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it  
AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law 
 
 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun with
00 buckshot is really the way to go 
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house
EVERYTHING STOPPS
B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman 
D ammo is cheep 
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a lot
to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by mossberg
running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore fired the
gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room 
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking is
simple  
 
 lastly 
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 MONTHS
OF LAW
LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 rounds
in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning
,action drills,
 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately... 
   it goes on and on  
 I am sure  you had the same training we did 
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell 
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing grace..  and
the 21 gun salute that follows
 
so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the house
around kids
 
 because I am sure about you 
 
mike collins
 1985 500 sec 
 
 
On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
> People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
> guns in the

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[Potter, Tom E]

Good plan. Only problem we have here is that companies hassle you if you
have a weapon in the parking lot. It does not matter that it is locked
in the glove compartment; they consider it having a weapon on company
property. BTW, there have been several abductions and rapes in our
parking garage in the past few years.
 

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JabbaHursty
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!


my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i
hear you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try
to break the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you
would, but if you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre
handgun.  

it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a
child.  

i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i
leave at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave,
but i'm carrying the .45

i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as
easily as wearing a cellphone.

i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:



sirs 
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance (
common)
my point here is a crook breaks  
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary
stuff quickly,quietly and legally  
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded
police called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late
night with his buddies 
 I have more guns than the navy 
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl 
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in
the care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting
a few rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it  
AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law 
 
 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go 
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house
EVERYTHING STOPPS
B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman 
D ammo is cheep 
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed
room 
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking
is simple  
 
 lastly 
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7
MONTHS OF LAW
LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning
,action drills,
 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately... 
   it goes on and on  
 I am sure  you had the same training we did 
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell 
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing grace..
and the 21 gun salute that follows
 
so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the
house around kids
 
 because I am sure about you 
 
mike collins
 1985 500 sec 
 
 
On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
> People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
> guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When
you
> are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out
very
> early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them.  Sort of
> takes the mystery out of it and they dont go messing with them when
you
> are not at home.  I have plenty of weapons all loaded up and ready to
go
> around the house and the kids know n

Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[JabbaHursty]

my strategy is simple.

i live alone.  i keep the bedroom door locked.  if you break in and i hear 
you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait.  if you try to break 
the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if 
you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun.


it's a simple plan

if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up.  it puts me at a large 
disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
child.


i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office.  our office park is 
secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime.  when i leave 
at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm 
carrying the .45


i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as easily 
as wearing a cellphone.


i think i've got it fairly well covered


At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:


sirs
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against 
the owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( 
common)

my point here is a crook breaks
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
stuff quickly,quietly and legally
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
called and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late 
night with his buddies 

 I have more guns than the navy
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often 
are stolen  and later used against regular ppl
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few 
rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it

AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law

 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun 
with 00 buckshot is really the way to go
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
EVERYTHING STOPPS

B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably by a woman
D ammo is cheep
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a 
lot to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations .. unlocking is 
simple


 lastly
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 
MONTHS OF LAW

LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 
rounds in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
,action drills,

 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately...
   it goes on and on
 I am sure  you had the same training we did
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing 
grace..  and the 21 gun salute that follows


so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
house around kids


 because I am sure about you

mike collins
 1985 500 sec


On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
> People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
> guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When you
> are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out very
> early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them.  Sort of
> takes the mystery out of it and they dont go messing with them when you
> are not at home.  I have plenty of weapons all loaded up and ready to go
> around the house and the kids know not to mess with them.  They have no
> interest in messing with them. Now on the other hand, when we get to the
> stage of them having friends over, a different approach will have to be
> taken as most other kids will not have this sort of training.
>





I agree with you 100 percent. I was raised in a house with loaded guns
available all the time, and we never played with them. We were taught
what guns could do. We watched livestock and game die from a gunshot, so
the danger was impressed on us. Nowadays, folks don't want to
"traumatize" their kids, so the kids never really KNOW the dangers of
discharging a firearm.

Also, Mr. Policeman and his ilk think that because they took a one-hour
cou

[MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!

[PONDERSOA]

 

sirs 
 the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your  home than 
without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against  the 
owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance  ( common)
my point here is a crook breaks  
it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary  
stuff quickly,quietly and legally  
think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your  wife 
wakes you and all hell breaks loose  can a gun be retrieved  loaded police 
called 
and on and on???
 and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late  night 
with his buddies 
I have more guns than the navy 
 I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
 what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often  are 
stolen  and later used against regular ppl 
it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the  
care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few  
rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it  
AND HAVE NOO IDEA  of the law 
 
 it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump  shotgun with 
00 buckshot is really the way to go 
A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house  
EVERYTHING STOPPS
B  it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
 C it for all of its power  can be fired quite comfortably  by a woman 
D ammo is cheep 
  it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost  a lot 
to get the thing
ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by mossberg  
running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore fired the  gun 
can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room 
multiple keys then made and placed  in strategic locations  .. unlocking is 
simple  
 
 lastly 
 by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7  MONTHS 
OF LAW
LAW...LAW!!
  our "one hour firearms  course" has been expanded to 3 weeks!  500 rounds 
in the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning  
,action drills,
 then go run  (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and  shoot accurately... 
   it goes on and on  
 I am sure  you had the same training we did 
 I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell 
 I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in  anguish
 I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a  gun , make 
there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
 I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing  grace..  and 
the 21 gun salute that follows
 
so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the house  
around kids
 
 because I am sure about you 
 
mike collins
 1985 500 sec 
 
 
On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A  gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
>  People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
>  guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids.  When  you
> are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out  very
> early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them.   Sort of
> takes the mystery out of it and they dont go messing with them  when you
> are not at home.  I have plenty of weapons all loaded up  and ready to go
> around the house and the kids know not to mess with  them.  They have no
> interest in messing with them. Now on the other  hand, when we get to the
> stage of them having friends over, a different  approach will have to be
> taken as most other kids will not have this  sort of training.
> 






I agree with you 100 percent. I was raised in a house with loaded  guns
available all the time, and we never played with them. We were  taught
what guns could do. We watched livestock and game die from a gunshot,  so
the danger was impressed on us. Nowadays, folks don't want  to
"traumatize" their kids, so the kids never really KNOW the dangers  of
discharging a firearm.

Also, Mr. Policeman and his ilk think that  because they took a one-hour
course in firearm training at the academy, they  should be the only ones
allowed to carry weapons because they KNOW how to  handle them.

I think the weapons should be taken away from the cops for a  while so
they could experience being disarmed while the criminals preyed on  them.
I think they would change their tune.

Just my 2  cents.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713)  215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536