Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Somehow I don't think a mechanic that has experience with zero cars is something to brag about... I've replaced 3 starters with rebuild Bosch and not had any issues. Whats the issue with a noisy starter anyway? Has he got a used one to sell you? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Cheap parts usually give cheap results. Rusty used to say you really wanted a Bosch reman'd by Bosch. I certainly found that to be true with alternators. Dr. Fatty wants 3x as much the one you posted. I'd trust his. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's the symbol for hundreds. In any case, the quality of a reman starter would depend on the expertise of the company doing the rebuild. Here's a cheap one from Suncoast Automotive Products - how could I know if it's any good?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remanufactured-BOSCH-Starter-16445-w123-Mercedes-1979-1985-/281498843694?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item418aa37a2evxp=mtr On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Somehow I don't think a mechanic that has experience with zero cars is something to brag about... I've replaced 3 starters with rebuild Bosch and not had any issues. Whats the issue with a noisy starter anyway? Has he got a used one to sell you? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB On 18/11/2014 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Cheap parts usually give cheap results. Rusty used to say you really wanted a Bosch reman'd by Bosch. I certainly found that to be true with alternators. Dr. Fatty wants 3x as much the one you posted. I'd trust his. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's the symbol for hundreds. In any case, the quality of a reman starter would depend on the expertise of the company doing the rebuild. Here's a cheap one from Suncoast Automotive Products - how could I know if it's any good?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remanufactured-BOSCH-Starter-16445-w123-Mercedes-1979-1985-/281498843694?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item418aa37a2evxp=mtr On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Somehow I don't think a mechanic that has experience with zero cars is something to brag about... I've replaced 3 starters with rebuild Bosch and not had any issues. Whats the issue with a noisy starter anyway? Has he got a used one to sell you? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Like a noisy starter is a huge problem? It runs for maybe 5 seconds if that? First world problem. --R On 11/18/14 3:31 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB On 18/11/2014 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Cheap parts usually give cheap results. Rusty used to say you really wanted a Bosch reman'd by Bosch. I certainly found that to be true with alternators. Dr. Fatty wants 3x as much the one you posted. I'd trust his. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter That's the symbol for hundreds. In any case, the quality of a reman starter would depend on the expertise of the company doing the rebuild. Here's a cheap one from Suncoast Automotive Products - how could I know if it's any good?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remanufactured-BOSCH-Starter-16445-w123-Mercedes-1979-1985-/281498843694?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item418aa37a2evxp=mtr On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Somehow I don't think a mechanic that has experience with zero cars is something to brag about... I've replaced 3 starters with rebuild Bosch and not had any issues. Whats the issue with a noisy starter anyway? Has he got a used one to sell you? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter He has practical knowledge of 00s of cars, unlike you. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And find a new mechanic. Isn't this the guy that couldn't diagnose your loss of vacuum until he'd replaced the vacuum line? -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter Buy a Bosch reman. Can't trust used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The starter motor in my 1983 300TD wagon is going down the tubes. This morning it wouldn't budge until after I had plugged in the block heater for 10 minutes. At all times it pauses when I engage the ignition key, and then screetches the first couple of seconds upon startup. Clearly I need to do something - but what? My tech says not to buy a Bosch reman starter (says they're way too noisy) but instead to find a good used one. WTF? What does everyone think? Will one from a W126 300SD starter fit? Andrew 1985 300TD dimond blue/blue garage princess 1983 300TD white/blue* en plein air* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Andrew also said it seemed hesitant. Are the cables good? Are the connections clean? On 18/11/2014 4:02 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
And carry rear ends and treadmills down and up multiple flights of stairs! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 5:24 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Or ask the French man to do it. Should take him all of five minutes! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 5:24 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why don't u replace it? You can handle the job, after all you can do front end rebuilds;) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are there no places out there anymore that rebuild your starter? That used to be better than buying rebuilt ones at one time. I know little about MB starters but the old north american stuff was pretty straight forward and easy enough to fix. RB I'd guess somewhere between where Andrew lives and Balt, there is an auto electric shop. My guy retired and had an auction of his stuff. I have had good luck with used since then. If i had to pay for labor, I would certainly buy one reman by Bosch in a yeller box with red printing. The only reman I bought was an advanced auto rebuilt alt. maybe 10-12 years ago. It did just fine. they local guys will use quality parts, where the reman shops will cut corners so long as they return rate does not get too high. Bosch reman is supposed to be same as new quality, but there have been problems reported here. Oh! I'll take that back. I had to buy reman starters for daughter's 107 and for my original SDL, but someone else installed because it was miserably cold. Both were bosch reman. One is still going many many moons later, the other lasted until the car went away a few years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my MBPhone All starters make noise. even the rope starters we used to coil around a briggs or Wisconsin one lunger made noise. On the stover hit and miss one lunger, the starter made noise too. That was me, tiring from turning the flywheel trying to start the blasted thing running. My favorites are the recording of the inertia starter on Richard Bach's (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) biplane, and the shreik of an air starter on an old Mack truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Bosch factory reman is the only way to go. I've tried them all over the years, and the Bosch factory remans were the only ones that were rock solid, never worry about it again. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
The problem with the diesel starters is that usually the coil windings have acquired too much resistance, and if you don't replace the armature, you will still have a weak, high current draw starter. New bushing and turning the commutator will do very little to fix it. So far as I know, only Bosch rewinds the armatures. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Have ya heard the whine and seen the smoke from a B-52 cartridge starter? THAT'S a starter. How 'bout 8 at once? Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter How do you know that starter is not a reman? Can u trust the miles? How many 240D that you know of have 60K miles? Buy new. Labor to R/R must be considered if you have to replace in 6 months. And yes who cares about noisy starters? Sent from my MBPhone All starters make noise. even the rope starters we used to coil around a briggs or Wisconsin one lunger made noise. On the stover hit and miss one lunger, the starter made noise too. That was me, tiring from turning the flywheel trying to start the blasted thing running. My favorites are the recording of the inertia starter on Richard Bach's (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) biplane, and the shreik of an air starter on an old Mack truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Send me a link so I can at least price it. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Tuesday, 18 November 2014, 06:39PM -0500 from Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: The problem with the diesel starters is that usually the coil windings have acquired too much resistance, and if you don't replace the armature, you will still have a weak, high current draw starter. New bushing and turning the commutator will do very little to fix it. So far as I know, only Bosch rewinds the armatures. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Andrew wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. The original OM616 starters don't spin fast enough for a OM617. They physically interchange, so Q told me half a dozen years ago that all replacements starters are technically OM617. But if you get a used, original starter for a OM616 you may be disappointed. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300TD W123 Balky Starter
Andrew wrote: I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a 6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters. Do what you want - but years ago Q told me the OM616 starters weren't quite as powerful as the OM617 turbo. Since their form factor is interchangeable, and to simplify the parts stream, all replacement starters (he sold, anyway) are suitable for the OM617 turbo. Thus I would suspect an low-mileage OM616 with an original starter may have disappointing performance on an OM617 turbo engine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
