Re: [MBZ] Apple
On Jun 18, 2015 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. Have hack saw, will hack. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Remember the fuss over the OpenSSL issue? White hats are getting better at marketing, what with their fancy names and a growing realization that computers hold a lot of information. At the same time, Microsoft has done a good job embracing the position of least secure OS in public, so serious Windows bugs don't make headlines even though they are increasingly rare. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? I have to disagree. It will be fun to say I hacked the car but ultimately you don't get much out of it. Even if you could tell the car to lock the doors and self destruct, you can't go spending a found credit card number, sending spam, or running a botnet like you can with a networked device. Locking the doors, or not starting, and demanding a ransom only works when the user is networked, but you could already do that on post-Onstar GM cars and AFAIK no one has. Ultimately it's just hard to make money hacking cars, and the capable black hats tend to prefer having compensation beyond lulz. If you have an enemy state that hacks the cars remotely (and how terrible would that design have to be!) you could use them to create a traffic jam in DC or something, but you can't force them to refuel so you're pretty limited in range. I'm more concerned about bugs, but most computers are probably better drivers than me when I'm tired. I am still probably not going to buy release 1.0. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Because Apple has allowed the popular impression that their OS is not susceptible to attacks to persist, and the lack of a regularly scheduled patch process fosters that. This is also part of the reason iOS is not going to gain traction in the corporate world. I can think of lots of people who will be better off not driving there own cars, but I enjoy it too much to give it up, at least now. I drove the twisty/turny roads on the Olympic Peninsula last week and enjoyed every turn. Maybe in 20 years I'll want the car to drive me to the grocery store instead of doing it myself - might keep me independent longer. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye for hackers. Did the guys hack the cars at the Black Hat gathering yet, or has that yet to take place? Dan not keen about self driving/autonomous cars Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS is impervious to attacks and hijacking, therefore no autonomous car will be totally safe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular? So there's only two?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Philip questions : Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular? So there's only two?? In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple
My Ubuntu 14.04 laptop seems to update more often than the Windows 8.1 PC does, and at times that I least expect it to. My iOS 8.3 iPad mini is now a brick ( for my use) since Apple broke the wireless connection to the Garmin Glo GPS receiver, and isn't in any hurry to fix it. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Since we were talking about security - openBSD might be the best option. http://www.openbsd.org/ On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0 Rick -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Philip questions : Other? Singular? So there's only two?? Rick wrote: In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. True. And that's partly because anything else is disregarded. I didn't want that oversight to go unchallenged. *smiles* If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to target the most widely used operating systems. Weak argument. Apache running on Linux has been the dominant web server for many years - yet (as of a couple years ago) MSWin was by far the most hacked web server. Maybe widely weak is the target rather than widely used. And I'll state here that no Operating System is totally secure. An insecure user is the biggest threat - kinda like the loose nut behind the steering wheel is the biggest threat in a car. Linux is over one percent now. I'm not sure what I'd attribute that to. I might have to find another alternative... This one is getting too popular... Try BSD. Or spend some money on one of the commercial Unixes (Uni? Unixs? Unix version.) I think I'll just ride it out here with my GNU/Linux OS... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
They could just buy Tesla and have a turn-key operation with a lot of the heavy lifting done. The autonomous stuff seems to be getting pervasive amongst a few companies so that is not a huge hurdle. We are well on our way to having the mandate that all new vehicles will have hive algorithms so that no one goes faster than another, no one can do things outside of the parameters, and all will be subject to various tariffs, taxes, fees, and licensing and permits, as well as congestion pricing, mileage limitations and assignments, design types and styles, performance standards, and various other hugely effective social engineering goals -- cooperative autonomy. And no fun allowed! And all this will be controlled by a huge new bureaucracy similar to that which has had great success, say, delivering medical care to veterans or affordable care to millions or collecting taxes efficiently and without corruption. Of course we will have to invest $billions with the new companies that spring up, like Solyndra or the A123 battery companies that have gone bust despite these investments. Now we might have a few false starts, though the companies' owners will walk away with the $billions somehow (a good part of which will be reassigned to certain political committees), but overall it will be a great stimulus! --R On 6/17/15 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
Andrew wrote: A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day Err. Sure. And a car that _does_ have a steering wheel and pedals clearly can't work 24 hours a day or be shared. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's a slick way to solve the problem where Uber drivers were declared to be employees (entitled to all benefits) vs independent contractors (another blow for unemployment). I understand McDonalds is experimenting with a self-serve experiment to combat the latest minimum wage laws. There ain't no free lunch. -Original Message- From: OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:23 PM It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from where you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the convenience. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
(Long article; parts have been removed.) Six university researchers have revealed deadly zero-day flaws in Apple's iOS and OS X, claiming it is possible to crack Apple's keychain, break app sandboxes and bypass its App Store security checks so that attackers can steal passwords from any installed app including the native email client without being detected. The team was able to upload malware to the Apple app store, passing the vetting process without triggering alerts that could raid the keychain to steal passwords for services including iCloud and the Mail app, and all those store within Google Chrome...snip Apple was not immediately available for commentsnip Recently we discovered a set of surprising security vulnerabilities in Apple's Mac OS and iOS that allows a malicious app to gain unauthorised access to other apps' sensitive data such as passwords and tokens for iCloud, Mail app and all web passwords stored by Google Chrome, Xing told The Register's security desk. Our malicious apps successfully went through Apple’s vetting process and was published on Apple’s Mac app store and iOS app store. We completely cracked the keychain service - used to store passwords and other credentials for different Apple apps - and sandbox containers on OS X, and also identified new weaknesses within the inter-app communication mechanisms on OS X and iOS which can be used to steal confidential data from Evernote, Facebook and other high-profile apps. The team was able to raid banking credentials from Google Chrome on the latest Mac OS X 10.10.3, using a sandboxed app to steal the system's keychain and secret iCloud tokens, and passwords from password vaults. Photos were stolen from WeChat and the token for popular cloud service Evernote nabbed allowing it to be fully compromised. The consequences are dire, the team wrote in the paper. Some 88.6 percent of 1612 Mac and 200 iOS apps were found completely exposed to unauthorised cross-app resource access (XARA) attacks allowing malicious apps to steal otherwise secure data...snip Our study brings to light a series of unexpected, security-critical aws that can be exploited to circumvent Apple's isolation protection and its App Store's security vetting. The consequences of such attacks are devastating, leading to complete disclosure of the most sensitive user information (e.g., passwords) to a malicious app even when it is sandboxed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/apple_hosed_boffins_drop_0day_mac_ios_research_blitzkrieg/ --- Dimitri wrote: If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10039 - Release Date: 06/17/15 --
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave. Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will to live. Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company planners get such ideas? Ohhh. .. never mind.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html , June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from where you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the convenience. A few rebellious souls will insist on owning their own cars, and driving them themselves for the sheer joy of it, but will be filed or sued massively when the collide with an autonomous car owned by Apple, etc., regardless of who was at fault. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave. Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will to live. Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company planners get such ideas? Ohhh. .. never mind.. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple memory
i would take it from you but i already have like 4 of those On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Need an address. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Apple talk - was: OT 'puter stuff: SpinRite hard disk recovery utility
A very chatty protocol. Made for lots of noise on the LAN. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Max wrote: No no no, not apple talk. Appletalk! Now that brings back memories... Appletalk was a desktop data bus. Connect computers together, computer to printer, etc. Kinda like USB is used today, but way back in the days of System 6. I never got to use it much... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple talk - was: OT 'puter stuff: SpinRite hard disk recovery utility
Max wrote: No no no, not apple talk. Appletalk! Now that brings back memories... Appletalk was a desktop data bus. Connect computers together, computer to printer, etc. Kinda like USB is used today, but way back in the days of System 6. I never got to use it much... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
No SSD, just a standard 5400 rpm hard drive. I wondered, as the SSD would cost almost what the system was advertised for. Dan On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/3474704098.html he seems to be making these as he finds reliable parts clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: What kinda 22 LCD? How big of an SSD? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/17/2012 9:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
Dan Penoff wrote: No SSD, just a standard 5400 rpm hard drive. I wondered, as the SSD would cost almost what the system was advertised for. Depends on the size. 64GB are often found for under $50, 120GB for $70-100, and the quarter terabyte drives can occasionally be had for $150. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
OWC will sell you an SSD for a G4 Powerbook, at least they would last time I checked. I considered it, but opted to max out the RAM instead. It's still pretty slow to run the latest TenFourFox builds, though Safari is not too bad. I may try the SSD at some point, I really like the size and so far rock-solid reliability of that laptop. Allan On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 07:43 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: No SSD, just a standard 5400 rpm hard drive. I wondered, as the SSD would cost almost what the system was advertised for. Dan On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/3474704098.html he seems to be making these as he finds reliable parts clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: What kinda 22 LCD? How big of an SSD? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/17/2012 9:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
He didn't describe an SSD in the listing, and an 80G 5400 rpm conventional HD is standard in that machine. Dan On Dec 18, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: No SSD, just a standard 5400 rpm hard drive. I wondered, as the SSD would cost almost what the system was advertised for. Depends on the size. 64GB are often found for under $50, 120GB for $70-100, and the quarter terabyte drives can occasionally be had for $150. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
I don't have anything with an SSD in it currently, but I have used MacBook Airs with them and they scream. Amazing to see a machine boot that fast. OWC has some comparison videos with Mac laptops using conventional drives versus SSDs. Truly amazing to watch. Dan On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: OWC will sell you an SSD for a G4 Powerbook, at least they would last time I checked. I considered it, but opted to max out the RAM instead. It's still pretty slow to run the latest TenFourFox builds, though Safari is not too bad. I may try the SSD at some point, I really like the size and so far rock-solid reliability of that laptop. Allan On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 07:43 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: No SSD, just a standard 5400 rpm hard drive. I wondered, as the SSD would cost almost what the system was advertised for. Dan On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/3474704098.html he seems to be making these as he finds reliable parts clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: What kinda 22 LCD? How big of an SSD? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/17/2012 9:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
What kinda 22 LCD? How big of an SSD? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/17/2012 9:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
A G4 with a 22 display and an SSD for $180? Sign me up! Tell me more... Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:23 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/3474704098.html he seems to be making these as he finds reliable parts clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: What kinda 22 LCD? How big of an SSD? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 12/17/2012 9:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple PowerBook G4 Titanium/Aluminum
Core duo On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: A G4 with a 22 display and an SSD for $180? Sign me up! Tell me more... Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:23 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Ouch. Guy out here is selling macbooks hooked to 22 LCD for that price. Loaded out with keyboard and mouse, SSD and all ram. clay On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Wasn't someone looking for a PowerBook G4 Titanium or aluminum recently? I ask because I know someone who has one of each, described both as 8 out of 10, for $180 each. Lemme know. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
You should make fun of him for going to *those* websites... ;) It turns out when I mentioned (days ago now) that I needed to re-install I was wrong. I thought I'd gotten an OS or anti-virus update that buggered the render engine on my video editing software. That used to be a fairly common problem back when I was in support. As it happens that machine as a 128MB video card which is not powerful enough to run my new 24 monitor at 1920x1080 AND run the render engine at the same time. I hadn't realized that the app offloaded all of the render engine to the GPU. So I'm in the market for a new, more powerful video card. Actually I have one on my desk at work that might fit the bill... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:00:57 -0500 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: caabo36ybjn8j0gxg9m1skustu8lggjhqqecnlmqc4yx+gv8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. -Curt I have never *had* to reinstall an OS on *any* system I've ever used. That includes DOS/WFW 3.11 and Windows 9x. Have I reinstalled? Yes, because at the time it was easier to start fresh in a new system with a new drive than go through the Registry and fix driver issues (Win 9x) However, I've never gotten a machine to a point that I've ever had no other option but to reinstall. I'm also an old school UNIX guy, one of my first personal machines was a Baby SPARC. SunOS baby, before they even started calling it Solaris. Never had a catastrophic UNIX failure either. Most of my personal machines today are OS X, mostly because OS X is UNIX. Haven't ever killed one of those outright yet, either. I tend to be sufficiently paranoid, though. I also *never* run in a daily use scenario as an elevated user. My Windows accounts do not have admin rights, my UNIX account is not root. They have the rights *to* elevate, but do not *run* elevated. That, truthfully, is where so many Windows people make their mistake. By not understanding the NT administration / applications rights infrastructure, and thus listening to Windows Home when it says Now enter a password for you shiny new admin account and they go right to installing apps and surfing the net and playing games. From the Home admin account! I get into yelling matches with my brother all the time about that one, because in contrast I *have* had to forcibly reinstall Windows on *his* systems about once every 7 months. He refuses to listen to me about the admin rights structure, and as such, self detonates his system very often. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:51 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: six minute. Tenth of an hour is standard billing ploy for lawyers. Allows them to cover 1 minute calls, where 20 minutes is too much time to bill. Get five calls in and bill the same six minutes to each client. I thought that was illegal now, that they had to waste the five minutes so they didn't accidently double-bill? Wasn't there a John Grisham novel and/or movie about attorneys double-billing? Best, -Tim never liked billing by the hour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Pelican Brief, I believe. Dan On Feb 6, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:51 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: six minute. Tenth of an hour is standard billing ploy for lawyers. Allows them to cover 1 minute calls, where 20 minutes is too much time to bill. Get five calls in and bill the same six minutes to each client. I thought that was illegal now, that they had to waste the five minutes so they didn't accidently double-bill? Wasn't there a John Grisham novel and/or movie about attorneys double-billing? Best, -Tim never liked billing by the hour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: So he asks me if he should take her up on the offer. I told him that he would be foolish to do so. He has a machine that will do what he wants, he's comfortable with using it, and it meets or exceeds his requirements and probably will for the life of the machine. See, this is how you and I differ. Since the kids were buying, I'd have suggested he go ahead, sell the Macbook on CL, then buy the same laptop again. Repeat indefinitely until children are broke or stop offering... More practically, I've probably have suggested he do it just so that he would ask his kids for help, rather than you. On the other hand it sounds like you probably need to be able to scratch his back on occasion. :) Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Definitely. We have a symbiotic relationship in the sense that he provides legal services to me and I handle his technology needs. It works well for both of us, as his needs are pretty basic, as are mine. If he ever had to do something really substantial I would definitely toss him some coin, but that hasn't been the case up to now, thankfully. Dan On Feb 6, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: So he asks me if he should take her up on the offer. I told him that he would be foolish to do so. He has a machine that will do what he wants, he's comfortable with using it, and it meets or exceeds his requirements and probably will for the life of the machine. See, this is how you and I differ. Since the kids were buying, I'd have suggested he go ahead, sell the Macbook on CL, then buy the same laptop again. Repeat indefinitely until children are broke or stop offering... More practically, I've probably have suggested he do it just so that he would ask his kids for help, rather than you. On the other hand it sounds like you probably need to be able to scratch his back on occasion. :) Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: Wasn't there a John Grisham novel and/or movie about attorneys double-billing? The Firm? I don't care for Tom Cruise, but that movie was pretty good. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was it! Dan On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: Wasn't there a John Grisham novel and/or movie about attorneys double-billing? The Firm? I don't care for Tom Cruise, but that movie was pretty good. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.toscanoail.com wrote: The whole PC or Mac debate is not unlike the Ford or Chevy debate. I try not to think of computers in terms of Ford and Chevy. A computer, in my opinion, is more like Craftsman vs. Snap-On. A computer is a tool, designed to make the jobs I do easier. Sometimes a Craftsman tool set is great. Does what I need around the house, helps out in the shed, and basically gets my job done. However, everyonce in a while I need that impact wrench and I'm going to buy a Snap-On professional grade model. A Ford can get me to work. A Chevy can get me to work. A Mercedes can get me to work in style. But once I get to work, I'd better have the tools to do my job or I lose money. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For most people who are surfing the web or using MS Office, a Mac or PC will both get the job done. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.toscanoail.com wrote: The whole PC or Mac debate is not unlike the Ford or Chevy debate. I try not to think of computers in terms of Ford and Chevy. A computer, in my opinion, is more like Craftsman vs. Snap-On. A computer is a tool, designed to make the jobs I do easier. Sometimes a Craftsman tool set is great. Does what I need around the house, helps out in the shed, and basically gets my job done. However, everyonce in a while I need that impact wrench and I'm going to buy a Snap-On professional grade model. A Ford can get me to work. A Chevy can get me to work. A Mercedes can get me to work in style. But once I get to work, I'd better have the tools to do my job or I lose money. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. -Curt I have never *had* to reinstall an OS on *any* system I've ever used. That includes DOS/WFW 3.11 and Windows 9x. Have I reinstalled? Yes, because at the time it was easier to start fresh in a new system with a new drive than go through the Registry and fix driver issues (Win 9x) However, I've never gotten a machine to a point that I've ever had no other option but to reinstall. I'm also an old school UNIX guy, one of my first personal machines was a Baby SPARC. SunOS baby, before they even started calling it Solaris. Never had a catastrophic UNIX failure either. Most of my personal machines today are OS X, mostly because OS X is UNIX. Haven't ever killed one of those outright yet, either. I tend to be sufficiently paranoid, though. I also *never* run in a daily use scenario as an elevated user. My Windows accounts do not have admin rights, my UNIX account is not root. They have the rights *to* elevate, but do not *run* elevated. That, truthfully, is where so many Windows people make their mistake. By not understanding the NT administration / applications rights infrastructure, and thus listening to Windows Home when it says Now enter a password for you shiny new admin account and they go right to installing apps and surfing the net and playing games. From the Home admin account! I get into yelling matches with my brother all the time about that one, because in contrast I *have* had to forcibly reinstall Windows on *his* systems about once every 7 months. He refuses to listen to me about the admin rights structure, and as such, self detonates his system very often. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: For most people who are surfing the web or using MS Office, a Mac or PC will both get the job done. Yup, for these people, the necessary tool is a screwdriver, and an occasional hammer. They never need to care about how made the screwdriver, they just need to get into the battery compartment of their kids toy or hang a picture on the wall. *Any* computer will work for them, regardless of OS. The only ones that OS truly matter are professionals who have very specialized toolsets and need very specialized computers to run them. So I agree that OSX vs. Windows vs. Linux is fairly moot as it doesn't really matter to the large majority of users. Heck, at this point I think everyone on the planet should just switch to using Android tablets and be done with it. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My attorney just hit me up for the I need a new computer - what should I buy? We sat down for about 45 minutes the other night and went over what his needs were relative to what he wanted to budget. He called me a few days later with the news that he found what he wanted in the price range he had targeted. I went over Friday night and got everything transferred over from his old machine and installed some software for him. He's perfectly happy with his new machine and barring complications it should serve him well for another 4 or 5 years or more, as his old one did. Here's the funny part: His daughter found out he had bought this laptop (some model of Acer with an i3 processor, 500GB HD and 6GB of RAM) and was all worked up. Dad, don't use it - put it back in the box and we will pay the difference for what you paid so you can get a MacBook Pro!' He told her that he would consider this, but he wanted my opinion first, since he knows I'm an Apple guy. She seemed satisfied that I would steer him in that direction as well. So he asks me if he should take her up on the offer. I told him that he would be foolish to do so. He has a machine that will do what he wants, he's comfortable with using it, and it meets or exceeds his requirements and probably will for the life of the machine. While I prefer Apple hardware, I am more practical when it comes to the user. Whatever works best for their needs, Mac or PC, doesn't matter to me... Dan On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: For most people who are surfing the web or using MS Office, a Mac or PC will both get the job done. Yup, for these people, the necessary tool is a screwdriver, and an occasional hammer. They never need to care about how made the screwdriver, they just need to get into the battery compartment of their kids toy or hang a picture on the wall. *Any* computer will work for them, regardless of OS. The only ones that OS truly matter are professionals who have very specialized toolsets and need very specialized computers to run them. So I agree that OSX vs. Windows vs. Linux is fairly moot as it doesn't really matter to the large majority of users. Heck, at this point I think everyone on the planet should just switch to using Android tablets and be done with it. EdB -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: My attorney just hit me up for the I need a new computer - what should I buy? I certainly hope you logged your time, plus the time for any email correspondence, minimum 20 minute increments, for his bill. ;-) Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My thoughts, too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: My attorney just hit me up for the I need a new computer - what should I buy? I certainly hope you logged your time, plus the time for any email correspondence, minimum 20 minute increments, for his bill. ;-) Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not when he handles my real estate transactions for free. Dan On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: My attorney just hit me up for the I need a new computer - what should I buy? I certainly hope you logged your time, plus the time for any email correspondence, minimum 20 minute increments, for his bill. ;-) Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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six minute. Tenth of an hour is standard billing ploy for lawyers. Allows them to cover 1 minute calls, where 20 minutes is too much time to bill. Get five calls in and bill the same six minutes to each client. clay On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: My attorney just hit me up for the I need a new computer - what should I buy? I certainly hope you logged your time, plus the time for any email correspondence, minimum 20 minute increments, for his bill. ;-) Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/1/2012 11:18 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/1/2012 11:18 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can, but that is more of a hardware/BIOS thing, rather than an OS feature. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/1/2012 11:18 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only USB that I know of, but I am working with older BIOS/hardware. Later BIOS versions might allow booting from other external devices, but I am not sure about that. We boot from flash drives all the time. I carry complete images for our machines on flash drives, which I use when I want to re-image one. Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why?, yes, and yes. You left out scsi, mfm, ide, pxe, and fibre channel. -Dave Walton On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think they have been able to PXE boot for a long time, as that's one of the methods we have used since 2004 or earlier... Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Why?, yes, and yes. You left out scsi, mfm, ide, pxe, and fibre channel. -Dave Walton On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That ability has been around for YEARS. It depends on the hardware, has nothing to do with the OS. The HP XW8000 on my desk at home is circa 2003 and can boot from a USB key. I carry a USB key with Mepis linux on it, when I'm traveling and don't want to risk anything with the hotel wifi I use that. Its essentially a one time OS, the keydrive is read only. -Curt Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:19:36 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhn10uYXzWDNHkuJzmq=h7aw3ja2m_jfb6rbsh1v29w...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pxe boot/wake on LAN was available with the right hardware since the late 90s. When I was in grad school, toward the end the computer guys had the winders boxes set up so that if you could get it to shut off, when it started up it loaded a new disk image and booted from that. It was great, because before that otten when you went in a computer lab, someone had hosed the OS of office, or both. (on the windows boxes.) I think they have been able to PXE boot for a long time, as that's one of the methods we have used since 2004 or earlier... Dan On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Why?, yes, and yes. You left out scsi, mfm, ide, pxe, and fibre channel. -Dave Walton On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So you can boot from Firewire, USB, and eSATA these days? :-) Its been years since I've had my own Windows based system to play with. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, and did that to check the o/s before doing the 1min HD swap. Booting from an external drive is BIOS dependent, not o/s dependent. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 2/3/2012 11:13 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: Can you boot off an external drive? On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: I upgraded my wife's Vista laptop's HD from 160GB to 320GB without reinstall. Works like a champ and still has Dell's original o/s reload partition. It can be easily done using Clonezilla. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:00:17 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: a06240829cb4e4c6a38df@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Well, you have to throw out all consumer electronics if you don't want things made in china. Every computer and probably every computer peripheral has parts made in china. Every TV, radio, etc made within the last 10-20 years has chinee stuff. It is omnipresent. Hope you don't do that because some of us like having you around! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:00:17 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: a06240829cb4e4c6a38df@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Well, you have to throw out all consumer electronics if you don't want things made in china. Every computer and probably every computer peripheral has parts made in china. Every TV, radio, etc made within the last 10-20 years has chinee stuff. It is omnipresent. Hope you don't do that because some of us like having you around! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It depends on what you do I guess. I could replace barely viable with reasonably viable I guess. My wife's office runs on a machine from 2004. I just realized the video I put on YouTube today was produced on a 2003 vintage machine since my 2005 vintage has gotten an update or virus from somewhere that caused the render engine to lock up on me. Probably easiest to just re-install Windows rather than actually figure out whats wrong. I made a couple mistakes last time I installed anyway that I could rectify this time around. With the guided install disks I have at work it'll be super easy. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:59:46 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: be7602cb-2c0a-4d7c-bc00-5b0cf3410...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It depends on what you do I guess. I could replace barely viable with reasonably viable I guess. My wife's office runs on a machine from 2004. I just realized the video I put on YouTube today was produced on a 2003 vintage machine since my 2005 vintage has gotten an update or virus from somewhere that caused the render engine to lock up on me. Probably easiest to just re-install Windows rather than actually figure out whats wrong. I made a couple mistakes last time I installed anyway that I could rectify this time around. With the guided install disks I have at work it'll be super easy. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:59:46 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: be7602cb-2c0a-4d7c-bc00-5b0cf3410...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The whole PC or Mac debate is not unlike the Ford or Chevy debate. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: It depends on what you do I guess. I could replace barely viable with reasonably viable I guess. My wife's office runs on a machine from 2004. I just realized the video I put on YouTube today was produced on a 2003 vintage machine since my 2005 vintage has gotten an update or virus from somewhere that caused the render engine to lock up on me. Probably easiest to just re-install Windows rather than actually figure out whats wrong. I made a couple mistakes last time I installed anyway that I could rectify this time around. With the guided install disks I have at work it'll be super easy. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:59:46 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: be7602cb-2c0a-4d7c-bc00-5b0cf3410...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I would challenge that statement. The newest Mac I have in the house is a late 2005 iMac, and it continues to do everything I need. Barely viable is greatly overstated. For that matter, we have literally tens of thousands of HP desktops running XP, and they do just fine. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A 7-8 year old computer is still just barely viable, back then Tyan still made boards in the USA and Crucial still made some RAM in Idaho (although I hear they may be moving some production back). A drive and monitor is going to be the real trouble... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. Sometimes its because Apple releases a sucky update or who knows what else. For awhile I did support for Final Cut Pro (well sort of, we made a card that worked with FCP) so don't tell me its just 3rd party applications, Apple makes their share of mistakes too. If I were a Mac user I'd want the Mac OS to remain a niche thing, the more people start using it the more viruses will target it. Every operating system has holes for viruses, thats been proven over and over for years. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:18:36 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphkvb-uvdvcw_qmocsq-5xt1w1oumzkeppkcqhv6mgw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/02/mokafive-steve-jobs --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. Sometimes its because Apple releases a sucky update or who knows what else. For awhile I did support for Final Cut Pro (well sort of, we made a card that worked with FCP) so don't tell me its just 3rd party applications, Apple makes their share of mistakes too. If I were a Mac user I'd want the Mac OS to remain a niche thing, the more people start using it the more viruses will target it. Every operating system has holes for viruses, thats been proven over and over for years. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:18:36 -0700 From: Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphkvb-uvdvcw_qmocsq-5xt1w1oumzkeppkcqhv6mgw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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People who have to reinstall their OS ever day are idiots. Most of the people I know have never had any problems. One did reinstall to try to clear up some weird issues after the Lion upgrade, but never had to reinstall in the previous 10 years. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.wired.com/**wiredenterprise/2012/02/**mokafive-steve-jobshttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/02/mokafive-steve-jobs --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. Sometimes its because Apple releases a sucky update or who knows what else. For awhile I did support for Final Cut Pro (well sort of, we made a card that worked with FCP) so don't tell me its just 3rd party applications, Apple makes their share of mistakes too. If I were a Mac user I'd want the Mac OS to remain a niche thing, the more people start using it the more viruses will target it. Every operating system has holes for viruses, thats been proven over and over for years. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:18:36 -0700 From: Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail.**com brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhkvb-UvDVCW_qmOCSQ-**5xT1W1OUMZKEPPkcqhv6mGwjmQ@** mail.gmail.comcacncphkvb-uvdvcw_qmocsq-5xt1w1oumzkeppkcqhv6mgw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reinstalling and viruses are generally something unknown in the Mac world. My Mac came with the version prior to Leopard. I've upgraded it to Leopard, Snow Leopard, and then Lion. It continues to work. Somewhere along the way I upgraded the hard drive from 160GB to 500GB. This didn't require a reinstall either. I used some free utility to duplicate the drive to an external drive. Then I booted off the external drive to make sure it worked, and then installed it inside my laptop. Want to choose a different drive to boot from when you turn on the Mac, hold the Option key when you turn it on. Nice and easy. I do use Microsoft Office for Mac. The old version was running fine, but was 2004 so I upgraded to the newest. I'm not sure when they pressed the DVD, but upon install I had to download more than a 1GB of updates to make it current. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats a pretty bold statement for somebody who clearly only uses maybe 50% of the processing power of the computer. People who edit video professionally will reinstall the OS on their machine probably twice in its lifetime, it doesn't matter if its PC or Mac. That'll be once every 2 years or so, then they'll get a new machine (at the 4 or 5 year mark) because the new machine will be faster enough to pay for itself and because the drives and powersupply in the old unit are pretty well spent. When you run the machine 10-20 hours a day absolutely thrashing on it to make a television show or film the OS will get corrupt. BTW you obviously never ran 10.3.6 when it first came out. If you had and you'd been using a Firewire 800 drive you'd have reinstalled 10.3.5 because the OS would have blasted the MBR of the drive and lost all your data... It was re-released sans-bug some time later and was a good OS. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:04:16 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhkEp6M4xzPGGMg7xjkrX8PzWNSzjLn_m35Wj77Kianp=g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 People who have to reinstall their OS ever day are idiots. Most of the people I know have never had any problems. One did reinstall to try to clear up some weird issues after the Lion upgrade, but never had to reinstall in the previous 10 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a pretty bold statement for somebody who clearly only uses maybe 50% of the processing power of the computer. People who edit video professionally will reinstall the OS on their machine probably twice in its lifetime, it doesn't matter if its PC or Mac. That'll be once every 2 years or so, then they'll get a new machine (at the 4 or 5 year mark) because the new machine will be faster enough to pay for itself and because the drives and powersupply in the old unit are pretty well spent. When you run the machine 10-20 hours a day absolutely thrashing on it to make a television show or film the OS will get corrupt. BTW you obviously never ran 10.3.6 when it first came out. If you had and you'd been using a Firewire 800 drive you'd have reinstalled 10.3.5 because the OS would have blasted the MBR of the drive and lost all your data... It was re-released sans-bug some time later and was a good OS. -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:04:16 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhkEp6M4xzPGGMg7xjkrX8PzWNSzjLn_m35Wj77Kianp=g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 People who have to reinstall their OS ever day are idiots. Most of the people I know have never had any problems. One did reinstall to try to clear up some weird issues after the Lion upgrade, but never had to reinstall in the previous 10 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian Toscano wrote: But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Perhaps when Curt was working support, he encountered a customer every day who needed to reinstall? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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FWIW a few weeks back some printer driver (or some printer error report about the paper or the toner cart or something) corrupted the USB connection (or so it seemed) on this iMac, and then when I tried to reboot it the gray screen with the apple just sat there and it would not boot. The Apple store genius reinstalled the OS and it was fine. I'm not sure what the printer did but it gorked the OS. The genius did not know either. My Apple experience has not been wildly different from my winders experience, it is just another way to work and I honestly do not have much preference one way or the other as long as the thing does what I want it to do, when I want it done. --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did you try rebooting with the USB cable to the printer disconnected? Maybe I'm just lucky, but I haven't had to reinstall for any reason. I do keep a bootable backup drive and also use Time Machine just in case. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: FWIW a few weeks back some printer driver (or some printer error report about the paper or the toner cart or something) corrupted the USB connection (or so it seemed) on this iMac, and then when I tried to reboot it the gray screen with the apple just sat there and it would not boot. The Apple store genius reinstalled the OS and it was fine. I'm not sure what the printer did but it gorked the OS. The genius did not know either. My Apple experience has not been wildly different from my winders experience, it is just another way to work and I honestly do not have much preference one way or the other as long as the thing does what I want it to do, when I want it done. --R On 2/1/12 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're not needing to reinstall you're not working hard enough. Again I've been on the other side of the phone long enough to know that plenty of people have to re-install the Mac OS every day. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know he didn't elaborate. Would it be any different than working on a Windows support team? What was getting corrupted? Were users pulling the power cords out of the ir systems during the middle of a complex task leaving the file system corrupted? On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Perhaps when Curt was working support, he encountered a customer every day who needed to reinstall? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I fooled with it a bit, disconnected everything, it still just hung -- gray apple screen of death! --R On 2/1/12 5:08 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Did you try rebooting with the USB cable to the printer disconnected? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnvag9fr_m-hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I never suggested that I am (or should be) representative of Apple's entire user base. All I'm saying is that for many people, Mac's are generally trouble free. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnvag9fr_m-hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm sure those working in Windows support advise users to re-install their OS every day too. Generally people calling support are not calling to tell you their system works great and they never have any problems. I also wonder how many people advise re-installing the OS because its faster than trying to figure out what's really wrong. I don't think anyone actually think Mac's are perfect systems that never fail. That would be unreasonable. I do think that many people have had extremely good luck with their Mac systems when compared to their Windows systems of a similar era, particularly during Windows early years. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: I never suggested that I am (or should be) representative of Apple's entire user base. All I'm saying is that for many people, Mac's are generally trouble free. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnvag9fr_m-hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Over the years I've had few problems with the Mac OS (7.1 to 10.5.8). I wish I could say the same of Windows, any version other than Vista or 7, which I have not used yet. Worst problem seems to be minor file errors that cause boot failure. followed by disk errosr that result in loss of format errors (this later is really annoying). Power outages cause endless trouble with Windows, I've never had a failure on the Mac OS I could trace to a power outage. I'm in the process of fixing a couple units at work with those problems, sometimes Spinrite will save the day, but usually a damaged file somewhere will hang up the boot and the only reliable course of action is to REFORMAT THE DRIVE and do a fresh install. Repairing or re-installing without a complete format won't work, I end up with and endless reboot or the BSOD. That should never be necessary, but I've had to do it any number of times. The file repair tools in Windows are pretty much useless. Mac tools are better, and things like Disk Warrior have raised more than one Mac from the dead for me long enough to copy off files and so forth. Permissions repair would probably fix most of the boot failure problems, but it's not available anywhere that I can find for Windows. Worst Mac issue I've had in years, in fact, was some memory that caused OS installation crashes, why I don't know, but it did. Seemed to work fine on installed software, but I needed to fire up OS 9 for some reason, and the installation crashed repeatedly until I swapped out some memory. It's very frustrating to be able to read a disk perfectly with Linux while windows will not recognize the installation or that there is a formated disk available, let alone copy data, etc. Peter On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: I'm sure those working in Windows support advise users to re- install their OS every day too. Generally people calling support are not calling to tell you their system works great and they never have any problems. I also wonder how many people advise re-installing the OS because its faster than trying to figure out what's really wrong. I don't think anyone actually think Mac's are perfect systems that never fail. That would be unreasonable. I do think that many people have had extremely good luck with their Mac systems when compared to their Windows systems of a similar era, particularly during Windows early years. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: I never suggested that I am (or should be) representative of Apple's entire user base. All I'm saying is that for many people, Mac's are generally trouble free. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: O I get it, you misunderstand. I mean SOMEBODY is reinstalling their OS every day. Any OS, doesn't matter which. The argument that Macs don't crash somehow seems to dodge the fact that they do. Just because YOU don't have a problem with YOUR Mac is just like saying Mercedes never break down... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:58:34 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: CACnCPhnVaG9Fr_m- hcwj0fyngspafdjg5ybwxokh6ozosf2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But its not bold to say that people have to reinstall their OS every day? Even in your own example you state 2 years, not every day. I've never had any major Firewire issues on any of the Mac's I've used since my G3 in 2000. It sounds more like you just don't like Apple and will come up with technical, social, and political reasons to substantiate your arguments, no matter how weak or disconnected they are from the majority of users who are perfectly happy with Apple products. I do have occasional issues Finder external hard drives, but they are far more tolerable than using Windows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: ... is just like saying Mercedes never break down... Are you trying to imply that MERCEDES BREAKS DOWN!?!!! Hrugph! Shows what _you_ know. These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, they also always get more than 80 MPG and the air conditioner always blows ICE COLD! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I never took telling somebody to re-install the OS lightly and when I had to tell somebody to do it we would talk it over and consider any other options. Then I'd tell them you take the hurt now and you heal, otherwise you limp along for who knows how long until you finally do this... -Curt Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:48:00 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Message-ID: cacncphnjoawt8kraqj0zd7vx54_rdopqaz8nsrrid3wx+ub...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sure those working in Windows support advise users to re-install their OS every day too. Generally people calling support are not calling to tell you their system works great and they never have any problems. I also wonder how many people advise re-installing the OS because its faster than trying to figure out what's really wrong. I don't think anyone actually think Mac's are perfect systems that never fail. That would be unreasonable. I do think that many people have had extremely good luck with their Mac systems when compared to their Windows systems of a similar era, particularly during Windows early years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, Reminds me of the urban legend about Rolls-Royce sealing the hoods of their cars at the factory (to be reopened only there, when the car was returned for regular maintenance). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Years ago I used to work next to the local Rolls dealer if you called them that. It was a much smaller operation in the day, and very discreet. We used to wander into their shop and chat up the mechanic (they only had one, and he was often sitting around with nothing to do.) He showed us how they marked all the fasteners so they would know if a non-Rolls mechanic had been in the car. Dan On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, Reminds me of the urban legend about Rolls-Royce sealing the hoods of their cars at the factory (to be reopened only there, when the car was returned for regular maintenance). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So what was the penalty for having used a non-Rolls mechanic? Banned for life? Could one use proof of an emergency to mitigate penalties? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Years ago I used to work next to the local Rolls dealer if you called them that. It was a much smaller operation in the day, and very discreet. We used to wander into their shop and chat up the mechanic (they only had one, and he was often sitting around with nothing to do.) He showed us how they marked all the fasteners so they would know if a non-Rolls mechanic had been in the car. Dan On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, Reminds me of the urban legend about Rolls-Royce sealing the hoods of their cars at the factory (to be reopened only there, when the car was returned for regular maintenance). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dunno. I think it had to do with warranty work, maybe? I just know they were really obsessed with record keeping for their cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: So what was the penalty for having used a non-Rolls mechanic? Banned for life? Could one use proof of an emergency to mitigate penalties? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Years ago I used to work next to the local Rolls dealer if you called them that. It was a much smaller operation in the day, and very discreet. We used to wander into their shop and chat up the mechanic (they only had one, and he was often sitting around with nothing to do.) He showed us how they marked all the fasteners so they would know if a non-Rolls mechanic had been in the car. Dan On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, Reminds me of the urban legend about Rolls-Royce sealing the hoods of their cars at the factory (to be reopened only there, when the car was returned for regular maintenance). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The attitude of Rolls-Royce towards buyers was generally if you have to ask, you can't afford it. The owner probably wasn't even involved with repairs: the chauffeur would run the car to the shop, and the bank manager would get the bill. WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: So what was the penalty for having used a non-Rolls mechanic? Banned for life? Could one use proof of an emergency to mitigate penalties? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$ Years ago I used to work next to the local Rolls dealer if you called them that. It was a much smaller operation in the day, and very discreet. We used to wander into their shop and chat up the mechanic (they only had one, and he was often sitting around with nothing to do.) He showed us how they marked all the fasteners so they would know if a non-Rolls mechanic had been in the car. Dan On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: These here cars are _so_ perfect that not only do they _never_ break down, Reminds me of the urban legend about Rolls-Royce sealing the hoods of their cars at the factory (to be reopened only there, when the car was returned for regular maintenance). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: When you run the machine 10-20 hours a day absolutely thrashing on it to make a television show or film the OS will get corrupt. Hm. If the software is running with normal user privilege, it should not be able to corrupt the OS. Sometimes there are bugs in the OS. Actually there always are, regardless of the OS. Unix-like operating systems are very mature however, and should be quite capable of running for the life of the hardware under heavy load without getting corrupt. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two, or pay the wage slaves a bit more, although apparently these wage slaves would not know what to do with the extra money, so there is no need to pay them any more than necessary. Heaven forbid, they would probably waste it on booze, cigarettes and gambling. In the piece the New York Times published a couple of weeks ago, the reporter discovered that the main reason Apple manufacture their products in China is not the wages paid to the workers. The actual assembly labor cost is not the deciding factor. It is also that the entire supply chain is all in one place, very efficient, and very responsive. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$97.6 billion as of their financials last week. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:43 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Nothing like having $100 million in cash laying around... It's wayyy more than that. An article in this AM's paper suggested they buy California. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe that is/was part of it. With all the recent problems with HD suppliers (mostly being in one place), I think many manufactures are questioning the wisdom of having most suppliers so close together, in the event of some natural disaster. With HD shortages, and the consequent price increases, it would seem to underscore the need to re-examine how computer assemblers currently deal with their logistics. Ed 300E- who knows very little about computers, but Mommy all told me not to put all my eggs in one basket. On 31 January 2012 07:26, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two, or pay the wage slaves a bit more, although apparently these wage slaves would not know what to do with the extra money, so there is no need to pay them any more than necessary. Heaven forbid, they would probably waste it on booze, cigarettes and gambling. In the piece the New York Times published a couple of weeks ago, the reporter discovered that the main reason Apple manufacture their products in China is not the wages paid to the workers. The actual assembly labor cost is not the deciding factor. It is also that the entire supply chain is all in one place, very efficient, and very responsive. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] APPLE$$$
I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two.. Yesterday's Seattle Times article says they have 97 billion in cash right now. This is up from 15 billion in 2007. Sales were up 73% over the holiday season. From 10/1 thru 12/31, the world spent $504 million per day on Apple products, including 37 million IPhones, 15.4 million IPads and 15.4 million IPhones. Just scraping along, day to day.. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] APPLE$$$
On 31/01/2012 5:01 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two.. Yesterday's Seattle Times article says they have 97 billion in cash right now. This is up from 15 billion in 2007. Sales were up 73% over the holiday season. From 10/1 thru 12/31, the world spent $504 million per day on Apple products, including 37 million IPhones, 15.4 million IPads and 15.4 million IPhones. Just scraping along, day to day.. RLE ___ They should not get too comfortable. Remember what happened to Nortel and then RIM? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] APPLE$$$
Maybe Steve's Mom told him to always keep a little cash in the bank, for rainy days. :-) Ed 300E They should not get too comfortable. Remember what happened to Nortel and then RIM? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Dan wrote: $97.6 billion as of their financials last week. I want nothing to do with china made stuff. That includes Apple. I am fascinated with the concept of Apple as a machine, but not at the 60% profit margin for an already ungodly wealthy corporate giant. Banned them - they are not serving their clients. As clients, we need to banned them. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] APPLE$$$
Fads come and go When they are on, a lot of people with more money than sense contribute. When they go off, these same people will not remember. Jobs had visions and people to turn it into $$ and succes. Tessler had visions, but he didn't make the bucks and succes. We don't pay extra for AC 'cause we could not afford residential/industrial use DC. Gates vs. Jobs compared to Edinson vs. Tessler. Pawn Eddy says,If it has a Apple logo, It's worth money' Explain a billion bucks. AFAIK $100k in $100 bills fills a briefcase, 10k briefcases fills a box trailer. So we only need 10 over loaded tractor-trailers. l expect you bank robbers, computer and history experts, tell me wrong. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:01 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two.. Yesterday's Seattle Times article says they have 97 billion in cash right now. This is up from 15 billion in 2007. Sales were up 73% over the holiday season. From 10/1 thru 12/31, the world spent $504 million per day on Apple products, including 37 million IPhones, 15.4 million IPads and 15.4 million IPhones. Just scraping along, day to day.. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Well, you have to throw out all consumer electronics if you don't want things made in china. Every computer and probably every computer peripheral has parts made in china. Every TV, radio, etc made within the last 10-20 years has chinee stuff. It is omnipresent. Hope you don't do that because some of us like having you around! Dan wrote: $97.6 billion as of their financials last week. I want nothing to do with china made stuff. That includes Apple. I am fascinated with the concept of Apple as a machine, but not at the 60% profit margin for an already ungodly wealthy corporate giant. Banned them - they are not serving their clients. As clients, we need to banned them. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Dieselhead wrote: Well, you have to throw out all consumer electronics if you don't want things made in china. Every computer and probably every computer peripheral has parts made in china. Every TV, radio, etc made within the last 10-20 years has chinee stuff. It is omnipresent. For sure. But I use cast off garbage, exclusively. Well... I did pay dollars for my 3-pedal 240D... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$
Nothing like having $100 million in cash laying around... It's wayyy more than that. An article in this AM's paper suggested they buy California. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s
I read that they are expected to have 100 billion in cash by the end of the year, unless they buy a State or two, or pay the wage slaves a bit more, although apparently these wage slaves would not know what to do with the extra money, so there is no need to pay them any more than necessary. Heaven forbid, they would probably waste it on booze, cigarettes and gambling. Hendrik who wastes his money on foreign cars relng...@aol.com wrote: Nothing like having $100 million in cash laying around... It's wayyy more than that. An article in this AM's paper suggested they buy California. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple Malware
I have this imac and downloaded the newest version of Firefox the other day, which sent it into frenzies. It locked up a coupla times, finally rebooting the machine 2-3x got it sorted out now. I have had about as many problems with that thing as I have had with my winders machine (that weren't hardware problems). --R On 5/22/2011 1:35 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Apple to support reps: Don't confirm Mac infections Secret memo outed as OS X attacks spike Posted in Security, 20th May 2011 00:23 GMT Apple officials have instructed members of the company's support team to withhold any confirmation that a customer's Mac has been infected with malware or to assist in removing malicious programs, ZDNet's Ed Bott reported on Thursday. He cited an internal document titled About 'Mac Defender' Malware, which was last updated on May 16 and says that the trojan, which surfaced earlier this month and masquerades as legitimate security software for the OS X platform, is an Issue/Investigation In Progress. AppleCare does not provide support for removal of the malware, the document, which was labeled confidential, stated. You should not confirm or deny whether the customer's Mac is infected or not. The memo's disclosure comes as the number of reported Mac attacks has skyrocketed, Bott said. According to an earlier article he published, he recently found more than 200 separate discussion threads on www.discussions.apple.com in which users complained of infections that caused their Macs to behave erratically. Porn sites just started popping up on my MacBook Pro, one user wrote. Is this a virus? I have never had a virus on a Mac before and I have been using Macs for years. Please help! The con artists behind Mac Defender hook their victims by presenting Mac-using web surfers with images that depict an antivirus scan taking place on their machines. The images falsely claim users are infected with serious malware and urge them to download and install the antivirus package. Those who fall for the ruse are then infected. Similar scams have plagued Windows users for years, often to the delight and scorn of Mac and Linux fans. According to a third article penned by Bott, AppleCare reps are seeing a four- to five-fold increase in the number of calls requesting support for rogue antivirus scams targeting the Mac. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/20/apple_malware_attacks/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS
I was thinking more local, but I like that one also. Last time I looked at Kiva it was fully subscribed - nothing to invest in at all. I will look again. I also just ran across the one that is part of eBay - anyone know anything about that microenterprise one? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS http://kiva.org/ On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate that very much. If you don't want payment yourself, know that I will pass it on to another in need. I might even send you that whole shrimp from Singleton's... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS No charge. I too am a grandfather. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don - I have never seen my granddaughter so excited. She has never had her own computer, nor have any of us had a Mac. She feels as if she has 'arrived.' I know you are into this for several many $$. Do let me know how much the screen and shipping for that were and I will add it to the $ for the shipping here. Thanks again - you will hear from her before too long. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS
No charge. I too am a grandfather. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don - I have never seen my granddaughter so excited. She has never had her own computer, nor have any of us had a Mac. She feels as if she has 'arrived.' I know you are into this for several many $$. Do let me know how much the screen and shipping for that were and I will add it to the $ for the shipping here. Thanks again - you will hear from her before too long. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS
I appreciate that very much. If you don't want payment yourself, know that I will pass it on to another in need. I might even send you that whole shrimp from Singleton's... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Apple 1400CS No charge. I too am a grandfather. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don - I have never seen my granddaughter so excited. She has never had her own computer, nor have any of us had a Mac. She feels as if she has 'arrived.' I know you are into this for several many $$. Do let me know how much the screen and shipping for that were and I will add it to the $ for the shipping here. Thanks again - you will hear from her before too long. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
