Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49beefcd.2080...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Will give that a try. Does the rear tail section need to be removed to get the govenor off? 2nd question, can this operation be done with the tranny in the car on a 201? 1) Don't think so but governor is different than .4xx boxes- held in with expanding clip inside 2) Not certain about the 201 but you've got a decent shot if you drop the rear mount and let the rear hang down. Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090317/6b046784/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Could be something got past the filter on the old tranny and into the cooler. When you put the new one on you probably didn't flush or at least blow the old fluid out of the cooler. That crap then got into the replacement tranny and screwed that one up. Try taking the governor out and clean it real good in clean diesel or mineral spirits and blow out with clean air several times. Make sure you can see the little valve in the center of the governor shaft moving as you push the 'wings' up and down. It may not help but it's easier then taking the valve body off. Manfred Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:31 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Oh I have no doubt about that. Probably nothing really wrong with the 1st one except something got gummed up inside. Only strange thing though is on the 1st one I even swapped the valve body, so problem must have been in the governor or something. But the really wierd part is why the 2nd one was working great, they all the sudden decided not to cooperate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Will give that a try. Does the rear tail section need to be removed to get the govenor off? 2nd question, can this operation be done with the tranny in the car on a 201? MG wrote: Could be something got past the filter on the old tranny and into the cooler. When you put the new one on you probably didn't flush or at least blow the old fluid out of the cooler. That crap then got into the replacement tranny and screwed that one up. Try taking the governor out and clean it real good in clean diesel or mineral spirits and blow out with clean air several times. Make sure you can see the little valve in the center of the governor shaft moving as you push the 'wings' up and down. It may not help but it's easier then taking the valve body off. Manfred Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:31 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Oh I have no doubt about that. Probably nothing really wrong with the 1st one except something got gummed up inside. Only strange thing though is on the 1st one I even swapped the valve body, so problem must have been in the governor or something. But the really wierd part is why the 2nd one was working great, they all the sudden decided not to cooperate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
No idea. I've never done it on one of those. Now if you ask about the Suburban I could tell you right quick as I've done quite a few of those for the same problem. Most of them were fixed right up, others did no good as the hard parts of the rest of the tranny were coming apart and all those little filings just kept on locking things up. Only a complete rebuild helps then. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:33:17 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Will give that a try. Does the rear tail section need to be removed to get the govenor off? 2nd question, can this operation be done with the tranny in the car on a 201? MG wrote: Could be something got past the filter on the old tranny and into the cooler. When you put the new one on you probably didn't flush or at least blow the old fluid out of the cooler. That crap then got into the replacement tranny and screwed that one up. Try taking the governor out and clean it real good in clean diesel or mineral spirits and blow out with clean air several times. Make sure you can see the little valve in the center of the governor shaft moving as you push the 'wings' up and down. It may not help but it's easier then taking the valve body off. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Some cars are rare FOR A REASON! Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/09 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2000 - Release Date: 3/13/2009 6:00 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/9e8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Some cars are rare FOR A REASON! Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/14/09 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2000 - Release Date: 3/13/2009 6:00 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
From my research these engines are nowhere near as robust as we MB folk have come to expect however they are MUCH less expensive to rebuild. The head is less than $1000. -Curt Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:06:12 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4c44a440-8017-427a-8956-a566ba4f9...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/854e7290/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
oh I got 2k for that thing. Dont know what sort of expense or hassle a head gasket is on one of those. Curt Raymond wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Rusty has some parts but back when I was almost buying the Quantum I found http://vwdieselparts.com/ which is pretty cool. Dunno if you price it right maybe I'll make an OkieQ and drive it east. Which I would have done with the Quantum if Don had fixed the door locks before I got there rather than after. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:47:54 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com, mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49bc5e4a.2090...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Isnt this basically the quantum? Wonder if its worth messing with? 1983 Audi 5000 Turbo Diesel Reply to: sale-tdhup-1073919...@craigslist.org Date: 2009-03-13, 6:47PM 83 Audi 5000 turbo Diesel. The body and interior are very nice. the engine blew a head gasket last summer and it has been setting since. Tag has expired. I have a clean title. 300.00 obo Might consider a trade. * Location: Mid town Tulsa * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1073919731.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
I dont know. It says something about tranny out, dont know if it means it out of the car, or just quit working. Mountain Man wrote: Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
hmmm, how big a job is it to get the head off and back on? Peter Frederick wrote: Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. Curt Raymond wrote: Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/9e8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
what is the problem with 190 transmissions? It seems they have issues. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:23 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. Curt Raymond wrote: Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn' t the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/9e8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/63a03f8f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
quick story, bought it with bad tranny, broken b2 band. Installed one I had laying around, went into drive/reverse great, could never get it to shift past 2nd. Well, wouldnt upshift at all. If you put it in drive, it would start in 2nd and stay there, if you dropped it down with the shifter, it would then stay in first. Checked everything, unhooked kickdown, checked to make sure cable was not stuck, even swapped out the valve body from the one that was in the tranny that was originally in the car. No go. So, yanked that tranny out, stick another one I had laying around. It did the SAME thing. Crap. So I was out in the driveway one day moving it from forward to reverse, kind if sitting there with the brakes on and giving it pedal, running it up and down the driveway. Then, all the sudden, bam, it starts shifting fine. So, I had been driving it back and forth to work for a couple of months, no problems at all, shifting just great, very good tranny. Then one friday I get off the highway, at the end of the exit ramp is a stop light, so Im stopped. It turns green, I go, SAME THING, wont upshift again. I have to drive the last 3 miles to work in 2nd. Got it home on the trailer and messed with it a little bit last weekend, changed the fluid/filter, same problem. I dont know why it started doing this again all the sudden. Book says no upshift is either the govenor or shift valve housing (valve body?). drcscru...@aol.com wrote: what is the problem with 190 transmissions? It seems they have issues. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:23 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. Curt Raymond wrote: Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn' t the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/9e8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
drcscru...@aol.com wrote: what is the problem with 190 transmissions? It seems they have issues. I know of three issues: They tend to wear out in 150-200,000 miles. If the B2 piston or band fails, the car only goes backwards. If Kleb gets his hands in them, they only work in reverse and second gear. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
Don't forget 48+ MPG. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. Curt Raymond wrote: Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/9e 8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel
I'm sure that Rusty has a cure for your tranny issue. If the car is in as good a condition as you say it is, and you'd keep it, it would be worth the price of a tranny from Rusty. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/c38d1035/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: If the car is in as good a condition as you say it is, and you'd keep it, it would be worth the price of a tranny from Rusty. I am hearing that something else is wrong - he has swapped the tranny out already. A tranny from Rusty is gonna act the same - no go. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Most likely it's a shred of plastic in a check valve or shift valve, sometimes prevents either governor pressure control or shift valve movement. Only cure it to check the operating pressures and diagnose correctly, the repair whatever is wrong. Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im just about sick of this 190D, I have just about reached the point of dumping it. I know its not the cars fault but still. And this car has new shocks front and rear, suspension completely rebuilt, NEW bumpers, interior very nice, cold AC etc. Tranny shifts great, when it shifts. Im sure its just something simple with it, still need to order me a guage to see if I can figure out what is going on with it. Curt Raymond wrote: Dunno, probably about the same. The VW has better parts availablity and I'd take on a headgasket long before I touched a tranny, we all know the luck Kaleb has been having with transmissions in his 190Ds. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:26 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3485b4230903141942o14837142y7a0ed484e669a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090315/9e8a4ae0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not too bad -- belt driven OHC, so all you gotta do is take off the vacuum pump, loosen the belt, and take off the injection pump drive if its' on the rear (on the VW it's on the main belt). Then remove valve cover and unscrew the head bolts. I think you can disconnect the exhaust and pull the head with manifolds (both on the left side on this one). Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: hmmm, how big a job is it to get the head off and back on? Peter Frederick wrote: Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or both trannies sitting around developed the same problem - it's possible - On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: If the car is in as good a condition as you say it is, and you'd keep it, it would be worth the price of a tranny from Rusty. I am hearing that something else is wrong - he has swapped the tranny out already. A tranny from Rusty is gonna act the same - no go. mao -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/d302201b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You guys would die to have the audi diesels we have over here. . I have an a4 diesel and I would say it is great. Today I returned my rental car which was a citroen and it was very very fast and fuel efficient. Very efficient. . My audi does fifty five to sixty mpg and this citroen was better! What you get there is not as good as what we have! The current diesels are awesome. . My dream car, he I needed one, is the CLS 320 cdi. I see it everywhere! DroolZedic On 3/15/09, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From my research these engines are nowhere near as robust as we MB folk have come to expect however they are MUCH less expensive to rebuild. The head is less than $1000. -Curt Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:06:12 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4c44a440-8017-427a-8956-a566ba4f9...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090315/854e7290/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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well, when I pulled the pan last week to do the filter, there was a little shard of white plastic on the pan. I dont know what it came off of. I guess its possible that another small piece of whatever it was got caught up somewhere. If thats the case, what needs to happen, the valve body needs to be pulled, will a person be able to see where its at? Peter Frederick wrote: Most likely it's a shred of plastic in a check valve or shift valve, sometimes prevents either governor pressure control or shift valve movement. Only cure it to check the operating pressures and diagnose correctly, the repair whatever is wrong. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Im too cheap for that. OK Don wrote: I'm sure that Rusty has a cure for your tranny issue. If the car is in as good a condition as you say it is, and you'd keep it, it would be worth the price of a tranny from Rusty. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If this is the same as the Quantum, there is plenty of room to work under the hood, so it probably is not a big deal. Peter Frederick wrote: Not too bad -- belt driven OHC, so all you gotta do is take off the vacuum pump, loosen the belt, and take off the injection pump drive if its' on the rear (on the VW it's on the main belt). Then remove valve cover and unscrew the head bolts. I think you can disconnect the exhaust and pull the head with manifolds (both on the left side on this one). Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: hmmm, how big a job is it to get the head off and back on? Peter Frederick wrote: Any Audi that old is a rare car because they RUST like crazy. However, the TD isn't a bad engine (my Volvo has the 6 cylinder 2.4L version) and other than a fragile aluminum head (sound familiar to OM 603 owners?) they are quite robust. Probably NOT a blown head gasket, although that's possible -- serious cracking between the valves is usually the problem. This can be bad enough that the valve guides come loose and pump in the head. However, the Volvo/Renault/VW head can be welded. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh I have no doubt about that. Probably nothing really wrong with the 1st one except something got gummed up inside. Only strange thing though is on the 1st one I even swapped the valve body, so problem must have been in the governor or something. But the really wierd part is why the 2nd one was working great, they all the sudden decided not to cooperate. OK Don wrote: Or both trannies sitting around developed the same problem - it's possible - On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: If the car is in as good a condition as you say it is, and you'd keep it, it would be worth the price of a tranny from Rusty. I am hearing that something else is wrong - he has swapped the tranny out already. A tranny from Rusty is gonna act the same - no go. mao -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: But the really wierd part is why the 2nd one was working great, they all the sudden decided not to cooperate. The moral of the story is to flush out all the ATF plumbing in the car when swapping trannys. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You would have to take the valve body apart -- not something for the faint of heart. There are something like 15 check balls in various sizes in there to drop The one thing you can check by pulling the pan is probably the governor, but I don't know for sure it's accessable on that tranny just through the pan. On the SDL, a common failure is for the plastic drive gear to break, causing a no upshift condition. Not bad to replace, but you also have to remove the bits from the two associated check valves, otherwise they get jammed open. Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: well, when I pulled the pan last week to do the filter, there was a little shard of white plastic on the pan. I dont know what it came off of. I guess its possible that another small piece of whatever it was got caught up somewhere. If thats the case, what needs to happen, the valve body needs to be pulled, will a person be able to see where its at? Peter Frederick wrote: Most likely it's a shred of plastic in a check valve or shift valve, sometimes prevents either governor pressure control or shift valve movement. Only cure it to check the operating pressures and diagnose correctly, the repair whatever is wrong. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hmm, interesting. There was a little sliver of plastic in the pan when I pulled it. Outer edge was sort of rounded like the complete piece would have been a circle. Peter Frederick wrote: You would have to take the valve body apart -- not something for the faint of heart. There are something like 15 check balls in various sizes in there to drop The one thing you can check by pulling the pan is probably the governor, but I don't know for sure it's accessable on that tranny just through the pan. On the SDL, a common failure is for the plastic drive gear to break, causing a no upshift condition. Not bad to replace, but you also have to remove the bits from the two associated check valves, otherwise they get jammed open. Peter On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: well, when I pulled the pan last week to do the filter, there was a little shard of white plastic on the pan. I dont know what it came off of. I guess its possible that another small piece of whatever it was got caught up somewhere. If thats the case, what needs to happen, the valve body needs to be pulled, will a person be able to see where its at? Peter Frederick wrote: Most likely it's a shred of plastic in a check valve or shift valve, sometimes prevents either governor pressure control or shift valve movement. Only cure it to check the operating pressures and diagnose correctly, the repair whatever is wrong. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Rusty has some parts but back when I was almost buying the Quantum I found http://vwdieselparts.com/ which is pretty cool. Dunno if you price it right maybe I'll make an OkieQ and drive it east. Which I would have done with the Quantum if Don had fixed the door locks before I got there rather than after. -Curt Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:47:54 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] Audi diesel To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com, mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49bc5e4a.2090...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Isnt this basically the quantum? Wonder if its worth messing with? 1983 Audi 5000 Turbo Diesel Reply to: sale-tdhup-1073919...@craigslist.org Date: 2009-03-13, 6:47PM 83 Audi 5000 turbo Diesel. The body and interior are very nice. the engine blew a head gasket last summer and it has been setting since. Tag has expired. I have a clean title. 300.00 obo Might consider a trade. * Location: Mid town Tulsa * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1073919731.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090314/85a29404/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: Dude, you gotta be on that like ugly on an ape, how much did you sell the Quantum for? If anything this car is LESS common. Isn't the BMW diesel even more rare? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
