Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Yea I have figured I would just replace them both. On 5/28/2020 4:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: In one of your early posts, about trying to bleed the slave cylinder, I seem to recall you said upon opening the bleed port and pumping the clutch peddle, you only got a small amount of fluid coming out? If this was the case, I posit the issue is with the Clutch Master Cylinder, not the Slave. If the Master has failed, the rubber "pucks" are leaking and when you pump the clutch, fluid is bypassing the puck and not producing pressure to the slave... When you bleed from the bottom with brake pressure, you pump fluid up to the master, but even when you have fluid to pump the master cylinder isn't making pressure because the rubber puck is leaking internal... Again.. replace them both.. have a clutch... My suggestion / advise. On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 10:22 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:04:42 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I think there is a section of rubber hose built into the hose between master and slave, so maybe you could try that. Not sure if the hard line part is mounted to the top of the trans or not. See attached pictures. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
What Herr Mann said --- On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Again.. *replace them both*.. have a clutch... My suggestion / advise. > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
In one of your early posts, about trying to bleed the slave cylinder, I seem to recall you said upon opening the bleed port and pumping the clutch peddle, you only got a small amount of fluid coming out? If this was the case, I posit the issue is with the Clutch Master Cylinder, not the Slave. If the Master has failed, the rubber "pucks" are leaking and when you pump the clutch, fluid is bypassing the puck and not producing pressure to the slave... When you bleed from the bottom with brake pressure, you pump fluid up to the master, but even when you have fluid to pump the master cylinder isn't making pressure because the rubber puck is leaking internal... Again.. replace them both.. have a clutch... My suggestion / advise. On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 10:22 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:04:42 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I think there is a section of rubber hose built into the hose between > > master and slave, so maybe you could try that. Not sure if the hard > > line part is mounted to the top of the trans or not. > > See attached pictures. > > > Craig > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
I think there is a section of rubber hose built into the hose between master and slave, so maybe you could try that. Not sure if the hard line part is mounted to the top of the trans or not. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 27, 2020 9:53:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > I am sure it is not working. You are right there is very little resistance > in the pedal which my other 240D has, this one has zero. Can I pull the > cylinder out without disconnecting the line and push the pedal to see if the > piston comes out or not? I am sure this is all basic stuff but I have never > messed with clutches before. > > On 5/27/2020 8:13 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: >> Stupid question here: but are you sure the clutch doesn’t work? When the >> clutch is perfect is these, there is very little feel and resistance in the >> pedal. >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the >>> bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start >>> pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was >>> moving fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After >>> all was said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position >>> on its one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure >>> exactly how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and >>> replace it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
I am sure it is not working. You are right there is very little resistance in the pedal which my other 240D has, this one has zero. Can I pull the cylinder out without disconnecting the line and push the pedal to see if the piston comes out or not? I am sure this is all basic stuff but I have never messed with clutches before. On 5/27/2020 8:13 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: Stupid question here: but are you sure the clutch doesn’t work? When the clutch is perfect is these, there is very little feel and resistance in the pedal. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was moving fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After all was said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position on its one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure exactly how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and replace it. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Stupid question here: but are you sure the clutch doesn’t work? When the clutch is perfect is these, there is very little feel and resistance in the pedal. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the > bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start > pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was > moving fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After > all was said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position > on its one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure > exactly how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and > replace it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Suggest you replace both the clutch slave AND master at the same time. I did a search online and looks like replacement$ are not "terrible" for each. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:07 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think that's a good plan. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > May 27, 2020 5:17:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >: > > > So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to > the bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife > start pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It > was moving fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. > After all was said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top > position on its one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but > not sure exactly how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave > cylinder and replace it. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
I think that's a good plan. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 27, 2020 5:17:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the > bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start > pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was moving > fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After all was > said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position on its > one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure exactly > how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and replace it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
> Nope. Asked a few days ago and never really got a firm answer. Do what the book says. Why so much resistance, especially if it's going to lead you to shotgun a bunch of parts rather than try it? (And which, I might add, if you did you'd be back in exactly the same place as regards air in the system.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
The firm answer: RTFM. Short cut: do what Jim says. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 19, 2020 9:53:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Nope. Asked a few days ago and never really got a firm answer. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > >On May 19, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Jim Cathey > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Before doing what I did today, the pedal came right back up when > > > pressed but just felt like it was not doing anything. Maybe I should > > > just replace the master and slave cylinders? I thought clutches were > > > easy to mess with but this is the first time I have had to deal with one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you actually bled it according to the factory instructions? > > Cheap, easy, and effective. > > > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Nope. Asked a few days ago and never really got a firm answer. Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> >> Before doing what I did today, the pedal came right back up when pressed but >> just felt like it was not doing anything. Maybe I should just replace the >> master and slave cylinders? I thought clutches were easy to mess with but >> this is the first time I have had to deal with one. > > Have you actually bled it according to the factory instructions? Cheap, > easy, and effective. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
> Before doing what I did today, the pedal came right back up when pressed but > just felt like it was not doing anything. Maybe I should just replace the > master and slave cylinders? I thought clutches were easy to mess with but > this is the first time I have had to deal with one. Have you actually bled it according to the factory instructions? Cheap, easy, and effective. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
No not really. Mention was made of connection a line to a brake caliper but I asked about hooking pressure bleeder to the reservoir and never really got a definitive answer. Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did anyone mention you need it bleed it from the slave up? Connect > pressure bleeder hose to the slave bleed screw and push fluid in, remove > excess from the res as you go. > > Jaime > > >> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on the slave >> cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push the clutch >> pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge pressure like I >> expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what force the fluid >> should come out when the clutch is pressed but it appears fluid is >> getting there. I guess I will start with replacing the slave cylinder >> and go from there. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Did anyone mention you need it bleed it from the slave up? Connect pressure bleeder hose to the slave bleed screw and push fluid in, remove excess from the res as you go. Jaime On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on the slave > cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push the clutch > pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge pressure like I > expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what force the fluid > should come out when the clutch is pressed but it appears fluid is > getting there. I guess I will start with replacing the slave cylinder > and go from there. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
I'll bet there is air in the circuit now, that is why the pedal stays down. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 19, 2020 8:32:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Before doing what I did today, the pedal came right back up when > pressed but just felt like it was not doing anything. Maybe I should just > replace the master and slave cylinders? I thought clutches were easy to mess > with but this is the first time I have had to deal with one. > > > On 5/19/2020 7:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > > > >Sounds like a bad clutch master cylinder, but it's been a LONG time > > since I > > > > trouble shot one. > > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing I forgot to mention is after doing this procedure the > > > clutch > > > > > > pedal now stays down and does not self return without help. > > > > > > > > >On 5/19/2020 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on > > > > the > > > > > > > > slave cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push > > > > > > > > the clutch pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge > > > > > > > > pressure like I expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what > > > > > > > > force the fluid should come out when the clutch is pressed but it > > > > > > > > appears fluid is getting there. I guess I will start with replacing > > > > > > > > the slave cylinder and go from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Before doing what I did today, the pedal came right back up when pressed but just felt like it was not doing anything. Maybe I should just replace the master and slave cylinders? I thought clutches were easy to mess with but this is the first time I have had to deal with one. On 5/19/2020 7:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Sounds like a bad clutch master cylinder, but it's been a LONG time since I trouble shot one. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: One thing I forgot to mention is after doing this procedure the clutch pedal now stays down and does not self return without help. On 5/19/2020 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on the slave cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push the clutch pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge pressure like I expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what force the fluid should come out when the clutch is pressed but it appears fluid is getting there. I guess I will start with replacing the slave cylinder and go from there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
Sounds like a bad clutch master cylinder, but it's been a LONG time since I trouble shot one. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > One thing I forgot to mention is after doing this procedure the clutch > pedal now stays down and does not self return without help. > > On 5/19/2020 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on the > > slave cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push > > the clutch pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge > > pressure like I expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what > > force the fluid should come out when the clutch is pressed but it > > appears fluid is getting there. I guess I will start with replacing > > the slave cylinder and go from there. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch
One thing I forgot to mention is after doing this procedure the clutch pedal now stays down and does not self return without help. On 5/19/2020 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So tonight I got under the car and loosened the bleed screw on the slave cylinder. Fluid would dribble out. I then had a helper push the clutch pedal and fluid came out must faster but not under huge pressure like I expect when doing a brake caliper. I am not sure what force the fluid should come out when the clutch is pressed but it appears fluid is getting there. I guess I will start with replacing the slave cylinder and go from there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update
ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:52 PM Subject: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update An update to the saga. A month ago I purchased a replacement clutch master cylinder from MercedesSource. The website did NOT list the manufacturer - but it came with both a short and a long rod. It came in a TRW box, and Lucas was cast into the body. I was not pleased. After installing the master cylinder using the short rod, I determined by how it mounted and by the fact the system wouldn't bleed that the rod was too long. That is, the short rod was not short enough. Closer examination determined the problem is really the top of the piston in the cylinder is too high. Rather than have the car out of service for many days as I tried to find a proper part, I chose to modify the rod making it short enough it would work. I was successful - but it took me an extra 4+ hours of effort. At this point, I was _very_ unhappy with MercedesSource. I let them know how unhappy I was, saying things like I'll buy from Autohaus before I'll buy from you again. And they responded! Stood behind their product, apologized for the trouble, promised to pester their supplier - and gave me enough monetary compensation that I'm now quite satisfied. MercedesSource is now very high on my list. Any company willing to put money behind the promise to keep customers happy says to me they _are_ serious and really do care about their products and reputation. I'll still be very cautious about the manufacturer, though. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update
-- Philip wrote: ...That is, the short rod was not short enough. What year is the car? I thought the problem was that my 240D is an '84 euro. We had the same problem. Something in mfg specs is off. My original part was obtained via buymbparts-historic. My recollection is that Classic provided proper dealer part number and I sourced it at the dealer. My son said - get the right part, or you do the job yerself, so... that's the way that went down, about 6 years ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update
Mercedes Source is definitely nice to deal with. I bought an injector pop tester a couple of years ago and the needle in the gauge was broken. I emailed them and they immediately sent me a new gauge. No questions asked. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:52 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An update to the saga. A month ago I purchased a replacement clutch master cylinder from MercedesSource. The website did NOT list the manufacturer - but it came with both a short and a long rod. It came in a TRW box, and Lucas was cast into the body. I was not pleased. After installing the master cylinder using the short rod, I determined by how it mounted and by the fact the system wouldn't bleed that the rod was too long. That is, the short rod was not short enough. Closer examination determined the problem is really the top of the piston in the cylinder is too high. Rather than have the car out of service for many days as I tried to find a proper part, I chose to modify the rod making it short enough it would work. I was successful - but it took me an extra 4+ hours of effort. At this point, I was _very_ unhappy with MercedesSource. I let them know how unhappy I was, saying things like I'll buy from Autohaus before I'll buy from you again. And they responded! Stood behind their product, apologized for the trouble, promised to pester their supplier - and gave me enough monetary compensation that I'm now quite satisfied. MercedesSource is now very high on my list. Any company willing to put money behind the promise to keep customers happy says to me they _are_ serious and really do care about their products and reputation. I'll still be very cautious about the manufacturer, though. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update
Thanks for the report! I've bought from them once, ten years ago, new HVAC blower motor and custom tool for removing squirrel cage fan blades from old. Tool worked fine, blower motor is still blowing... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder update
Philip wrote: ...That is, the short rod was not short enough. Mountain wrote: What year is the car? The car is a very early '81. The master cylinder that was in it came from a very late '81. I thought the problem was that my 240D is an '84 euro. We had the same problem. Something in mfg specs is off. My original part was obtained via buymbparts-historic. My recollection is that Classic provided proper dealer part number and I sourced it at the dealer. I had dealer part numbers. I was hoping to buy a FAG or FTE, but I was having difficulty determining whether the short rod was for early or late, and is there a different part number for the later master cylinder. Based on my experience and the data I encountered during the project, there is only one master cylinder available - and it comes with the long rod for the older cars. For the younger cars that (best I can tell) require the short rod, a master cylinder AND and short rod have to be purchased. My son said - get the right part, or you do the job yerself My biggest issue was the scarcity of information about the master cylinder and rod - and the lack of manufacturer information on MercedesSource website. I had part numbers - but I wasn't sure for what car that number was valid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Fmiser wrote: Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive. I could not find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a bore hone and cleanup. But it lasted four years. And then it failed. And I really miss Q! Curly wrote: You will have to set yourself up as a shop/retailer. THen you can order the worldparts stuff from Q. Hey! Now there's an idea! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Fmiser wrote: Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting. If there is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point, it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to compress the clutch spring. So I choose to shorten the rod. I grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm shorted. Nope - not enough. I remove another 1 mm. Now it works. A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make the TRW part work in my car. The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing TRW, which seems to be junk. Curly wrote: ATTABOY! Thanks! I think I'd have done the same. I've got pictures and a sketch with dimensions if anyone else needs data. It may be possible to order the Clutch MC Kit form the classic center. I'll have to look into that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: 2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com. Personalities aside, business is business. No way. There comes a point where I choose to take my business to a vendor who doesn't abuse me. No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: No way. There comes a point where I choose to take my business to a vendor who doesn't abuse me. No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this. RB 100% agree.I won't buy from a horses _ss for anything. There is always someone else you can buy from, whatever the product. If we are looking for price, autohausAZ is hard to beat. If we want OE, certain dealers that advertise in the Star are good. (mostly East or west cost. I have a shop who swears by a dealer in Kansas City, but I don't know which one. And there is the Classic center. And car-part.com for used ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Why is this being brought up again? Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 On Dec 31, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 30/12/2014 9:54 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: 2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com. Personalities aside, business is business. No way. There comes a point where I choose to take my business to a vendor who doesn't abuse me. No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Curly wrote: Isn't your car a euro or RTW model, not a USA 123? That could make a difference. Euro VIN It could make the difference, I dunno. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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RB wrote: No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this. Blow it away, really, guys. Don't be so thin skinned. Jabbhursty is excellent. We each have rough spots and Jabbahursty wears well - not very rough. Ya just gotta roll with it. Just like with Q. I always expected an FU from Q. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Michael wrote: Why is this being brought up again? Really. Totally. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:24:21 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why is this being brought up again? Yes, indeed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Well said! Get off it. Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: RB wrote: No kidding. I wonder how many people feel like this. Blow it away, really, guys. Don't be so thin skinned. Jabbhursty is excellent. We each have rough spots and Jabbahursty wears well - not very rough. Ya just gotta roll with it. Just like with Q. I always expected an FU from Q. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Interesting. I gave Dimitri the replacement slave cylinder I'd bought. I always kind of thought that putting the slave to match the master might fix the problem.Your car had more severe issues than mine, on mine it was just that engagement was very high, I had no problem bleeding the clutch or with operation just that it had a funny feel. -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive. I could not find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a bore hone and cleanup. But it lasted four years. And then it failed. And I really miss Q! For those with a long memory, Curt had issues with his clutch not long after I refreshed mine. We compared notes. Best I can tell, the early cars have a long rod and the newer cars a short rod. The different in length is 5 mm. I can't find an EPC that works for me, but via other methods, I _think_ newer than chassis number 091119 needs the short rod - probably part number 000-295-08-33. The master cylinder part number is 001-295-44-06. What I suspect now, but couldn't prove before is that the master cylinder always comes with the long rod and a short rod has to be purchased if it is needed for a newer car. Probably. I think. So I finally decide to purchase from MercedesSource, since they ship with both rods. What the website doesn't say is the manufacturer. Well, the one I got from them does have both rods. In a TRW box. With Lucas cast into the body of the master cylinder. Uh oh. It's very obvious my car needs the short rod. But a little closer look suggests maybe even the short rod is too long... Well, I install the master cylinder, making sure the adjuster eccentric is at it's longest setting. The way to bleed the system, and to set the eccentric, is to pressure bleed from the slave cylinder. I can't - because the piston is too far down in the master cylinder and is blocking the supply port. That is, the rod is too long. The _short_ rod is too long. *sigh* So much for TRW. Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting. If there is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point, it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to compress the clutch spring. But the car is down, and it will be at least _days_ before I can get something else. So I choose to shorten the rod. Careful measurements on the bench between the new TRW and the old FAG shows the TRW to be 3 mm to long. But it's not the rod. The rod is exactly the same length as the old FAG - it's the position of the piston top that is too far from the mounting bolt ears. There is a ball form on the end of the rod. I choose to try to keep the radius of the contact with the piston about the same. I grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm shorted. Nope - not enough. I remove another 1 mm. Now it works. A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make the TRW part work in my car. The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing TRW, which seems to be junk. I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
-- Philip wrote: I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided. Q could not supply my master. For that, I had to go to Classic Center. For whatever reason, they were able to get the correct one. That was the least cost option for me at the time. My son and I spent 4 hours at the shop he worked at and ended with nothing which resulted in his telling me that if the proper part were not purchased, I would be doing the job myself, so... Classic Center it was. The cylinder Q supplied twice was returned. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Rick wrote: Probably the best options for parts would be, 1. Local dealer you are on a first name, chat over coffee, basis with. (discount$) Nope. The closest dealer is over 100 miles away. 2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com. Personalities aside, business is business. No way. There comes a point where I choose to take my business to a vendor who doesn't abuse me. 3. The Mercedes Classic Center. I have heard that Tom Hanson (sp) knows his stuff. That's a possibility. I have not yet done any business with them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
-- Philip wrote: I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided. Q could not supply my master. For that, I had to go to Classic Center. For whatever reason, they were able to get the correct one. That was the least cost option for me at the time. My son and I spent 4 hours at the shop he worked at and ended with nothing which resulted in his telling me that if the proper part were not purchased, I would be doing the job myself, so... Classic Center it was. The cylinder Q supplied twice was returned. mao _ Isn't your car a euro or RTW model, not a USA 123? That could make a difference. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
You will have to set yourself up as a shop/retailer. THen you can order the worldparts stuff from Q. Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive. I could not find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a bore hone and cleanup. But it lasted four years. And then it failed. And I really miss Q! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting. If there is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point, it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to compress the clutch spring. But the car is down, and it will be at least _days_ before I can get something else. So I choose to shorten the rod. Careful measurements on the bench between the new TRW and the old FAG shows the TRW to be 3 mm to long. But it's not the rod. The rod is exactly the same length as the old FAG - it's the position of the piston top that is too far from the mounting bolt ears. There is a ball form on the end of the rod. I choose to try to keep the radius of the contact with the piston about the same. I grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm shorted. Nope - not enough. I remove another 1 mm. Now it works. A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make the TRW part work in my car. The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing TRW, which seems to be junk. I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided. -- Philip ATTABOY! I think I'd have done the same. It may be possible to order the Clutch MC Kit form the classic center. OR MB may have quit selling the kits do to the liabilities caused by the lack of open season with no bag limit on USA shysters. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod revisited
lubed it with Crisco --R On 9/7/12 12:16 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Nice! How did you shorten it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod revisited
Started out with the angle grinder but switched to a file for more control. -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 00:16:14 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod revisited Message-ID: 978f780e-643e-48d6-b9a7-4f9267d24...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Nice! How did you shorten it? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Some of you might remember when I changed the clutch master cylinder on my '78 240D and inadvertently threw away the short clutch rod which left me with an incorrect wrong rod which made the clutch really high. I'm also not 100% sure the clutch actually engages all the way... Today I took the long rod out and shortened it. I removed 1/8 in 2 jumps of 1/16 each. With the first 1/16 removed I was reasonably sure I could detect improvement so I went with the second run. I think it could probably do with another 1/8 but my back is pretty sore from crawling in to do the job and I want to take it for a longer test ride before trying again. Also Phillip had sent a picture of a proper short rod and I want to revisit that before doing more. I think I also mentioned the other day that Mercedessource has the proper rod but you need to buy a whole kit including the master cylinder to get it. Finally having found somewhere that admitted that the short rod existed (which baffled even the guys at the Mercedes Classic Center) made me confident in trying this adjustment. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod revisited
Nice! How did you shorten it? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Some of you might remember when I changed the clutch master cylinder on my '78 240D and inadvertently threw away the short clutch rod which left me with an incorrect wrong rod which made the clutch really high. I'm also not 100% sure the clutch actually engages all the way... Today I took the long rod out and shortened it. I removed 1/8 in 2 jumps of 1/16 each. With the first 1/16 removed I was reasonably sure I could detect improvement so I went with the second run. I think it could probably do with another 1/8 but my back is pretty sore from crawling in to do the job and I want to take it for a longer test ride before trying again. Also Phillip had sent a picture of a proper short rod and I want to revisit that before doing more. I think I also mentioned the other day that Mercedessource has the proper rod but you need to buy a whole kit including the master cylinder to get it. Finally having found somewhere that admitted that the short rod existed (which baffled even the guys at the Mercedes Classic Center) made me confident in trying this adjustment. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Shifting sheet metal wouldn't be so reliable would it? If I put the shim in backwards the pedal is low, if I put it in forward its high. Hopefully Sunday I'll find time to see what upside down and upside down/backward does. -Curt Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:39:30 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 4e84e592.3090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/09/2011 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... -Curt Any chance you have other issues? Have you looked at the firewall and the pedal assembly? Older Toyota pickups and 4Runners sometimes have problems similar to this and the fault is often cracked sheet metal on the firewall where the pedal assembly mounts permitting enough flex to affect the whole system (assuming my memory on the subject is correct - I used to read a Toyota forum more regularly than I now do). Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
From the picture you sent I think the difference between the two rods is no more than 1/8 and possibly less than that. I need to play with the shim more, I'm still convinced its the cause of all my problems. Otherwise I do have a brand new MC to swap in assuming that I somehow damaged this one during the bleed process (which is quite possible. -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:32:02 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 20110930003202.8bc791ea.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long... Fmiser wrote: Shoot. I had your symptoms backwards. Well - if it's enough too long the piston can't move far enough up to clear the file-port and so it won't bleed. If it bleeds, then it may be the slave shims after all. Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. No, I caught that you had no trouble bleeding. I keep bringing that up because I am rather certain that if you have a rod that is even as much as 1/4 too long your system will not bleed. It's that close. So, since your's is bleeding, I figured you must have the opposite of what I had. I had long rod and and short master cylinder - and no bleed. Ergo, you have a short rod and a long cylinder. Or then again, maybe not. *weak smile* I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... Hmm. The shim I had was so thin I don't think I could have detected a lack of parallel. But I also wasn't looking for it. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: From the picture you sent I think the difference between the two rods is no more than 1/8 and possibly less than that. Oh! Then there must be more than two choices. The different between my short and long rod is at least 1/2 inch. As I recall, it's closer to 1 inch different. But right now I'm to lazy to pull apart the working car just to measure it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long which fits with what you're saying except my results are opposite of what you thought. -Curt Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:41:57 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 20110928204157.0365a9e6.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: Huh? I thought the rod I have is too long... My theory is that too long a rod would run the MC farther along than it should and aww hell I dunno, the old rod was shorter... See my other message about the shim. Looks like if I hadn't touched the slave I wouldn't be in this mess. Gee - I dunno either. I don't trust my memory of the details. But if the shims are doing something, then it is something. *weak smile* My reconstruction from the results. * I swapped in the master cylinder from one of the parts cars. * The system would not bleed. * The system will only bleed when the piston in the master cylinder is _all_ the way at the top. * Since it wouldn't bleed because the piston was not all the way up, and the piston is depressed by a rod between the pedal and the piston, then the rod must have been too long. * I swapped in the rod from the same car the master cylinder came from and all was well. * I have a picture of a rod that I took after the job was done, therefore the photos must be of the long rod I am not using. * If you have a rod that's too short, then when you step on the pedal your foot will have to move further than originally planned before the piston moves - which I think describes your situation. Logical - no? Doesn't mean it's right... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long which fits with what you're saying except my results are opposite of what you thought. Shoot. I had your symptoms backwards. Well - if it's enough too long the piston can't move far enough up to clear the file-port and so it won't bleed. If it bleeds, then it may be the slave shims after all. I just re-used what was in there, positioned so the gap was at the bottom so it would drain. Adding more shims would mean the slave is further from the fork so more pedal travel will be needed. Except it's a self-adjusting layout, so it may adjust out what the shims gain. Though you said the shims did make a difference. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... -Curt Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:39:15 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 20110929123915.c713064b.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long which fits with what you're saying except my results are opposite of what you thought. Shoot. I had your symptoms backwards. Well - if it's enough too long the piston can't move far enough up to clear the file-port and so it won't bleed. If it bleeds, then it may be the slave shims after all. I just re-used what was in there, positioned so the gap was at the bottom so it would drain. Adding more shims would mean the slave is further from the fork so more pedal travel will be needed. Except it's a self-adjusting layout, so it may adjust out what the shims gain. Though you said the shims did make a difference. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
On 29/09/2011 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... -Curt Any chance you have other issues? Have you looked at the firewall and the pedal assembly? Older Toyota pickups and 4Runners sometimes have problems similar to this and the fault is often cracked sheet metal on the firewall where the pedal assembly mounts permitting enough flex to affect the whole system (assuming my memory on the subject is correct - I used to read a Toyota forum more regularly than I now do). Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long... Fmiser wrote: Shoot. I had your symptoms backwards. Well - if it's enough too long the piston can't move far enough up to clear the file-port and so it won't bleed. If it bleeds, then it may be the slave shims after all. Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. No, I caught that you had no trouble bleeding. I keep bringing that up because I am rather certain that if you have a rod that is even as much as 1/4 too long your system will not bleed. It's that close. So, since your's is bleeding, I figured you must have the opposite of what I had. I had long rod and and short master cylinder - and no bleed. Ergo, you have a short rod and a long cylinder. Or then again, maybe not. *weak smile* I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... Hmm. The shim I had was so thin I don't think I could have detected a lack of parallel. But I also wasn't looking for it. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
I remember that, this is a factory MC that had been working just fine in my '83 240D pre-engine failure. The rod (which is now cut down) also came from the '83. Mine bled just fine, I connected the bleed fitting on the slave to the right front wheel brake bleeder. Pumped the brake a couple times and had good clutch right away. In retrospect I think you had a bad (ie not incorrect) MC. The older type rod is shorter than the new type... John at the Classic Center (I was there in person a couple weeks ago remember) gave me EXACTLY the same story (with the same prices) as Rusty had including the same part numbers. I want to try replacing the broken shim on the slave next, then replacing the MC. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:18:50 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: calk3cy7n_ljvdkc_7w+16osefxmumrovurjnu2e2kb5cy6a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: You may remember some time ago when I replaced the clutch MC in my '78 240D and the pedal feel got real high and short. So yesterday I converted a new-type clutch rod to an old type by grinding the beanie off the end. Tonight I installed it and it made no difference... My experience with 240D clutch MC is from 2 years ago. My son and I spent 6 hours trying to get the MC in so we could bleed and adjust per instructions. The critical item lacking was the ability to get the piston high enough in the cylinder to bleed. At the time, my son scolded me for wasting his time - on a lift at the shop where he works, and said I would do the next install if I did not get an MC from the dealer. I got the MC from the dealer and my son did the work... again. We installed the MC, pedal movement got us to bleed port and adjusted like the instructions indicated. Of course, we did the MC only and last year did the slave - it was recommended that we do both at the same time, but... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember some time ago when I replaced the clutch MC in my '78 240D and the pedal feel got real high and short. So yesterday I converted a new-type clutch rod to an old type by grinding the beanie off the end. Tonight I installed it and it made no difference... So my grinding off the ball on the end you hoped to make it longer? *smiles* My memory is a bit fuzzy, but my recollection is your problem is from a short rod - right? Because a long rod would prevent bleeding. Maybe you could hire out extending the rod. I know I wouldn't try it with my welding skill and tools! And I don't have a lathe. Hmmm. I don't think the outside diameter is critical - maybe a tube to extend it. An inside diameter to match the outside diameter of the rod, cut the rod, use the tube to span the gap. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Huh? I thought the rod I have is too long... My theory is that too long a rod would run the MC farther along than it should and aww hell I dunno, the old rod was shorter... See my other message about the shim. Looks like if I hadn't touched the slave I wouldn't be in this mess. -Curt Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:29:19 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 20110928122919.26eab74a.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: You may remember some time ago when I replaced the clutch MC in my '78 240D and the pedal feel got real high and short. So yesterday I converted a new-type clutch rod to an old type by grinding the beanie off the end. Tonight I installed it and it made no difference... So my grinding off the ball on the end you hoped to make it longer? *smiles* My memory is a bit fuzzy, but my recollection is your problem is from a short rod - right? Because a long rod would prevent bleeding. Maybe you could hire out extending the rod. I know I wouldn't try it with my welding skill and tools! And I don't have a lathe. Hmmm. I don't think the outside diameter is critical - maybe a tube to extend it. An inside diameter to match the outside diameter of the rod, cut the rod, use the tube to span the gap. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: Huh? I thought the rod I have is too long... My theory is that too long a rod would run the MC farther along than it should and aww hell I dunno, the old rod was shorter... See my other message about the shim. Looks like if I hadn't touched the slave I wouldn't be in this mess. Gee - I dunno either. I don't trust my memory of the details. But if the shims are doing something, then it is something. *weak smile* My reconstruction from the results. * I swapped in the master cylinder from one of the parts cars. * The system would not bleed. * The system will only bleed when the piston in the master cylinder is _all_ the way at the top. * Since it wouldn't bleed because the piston was not all the way up, and the piston is depressed by a rod between the pedal and the piston, then the rod must have been too long. * I swapped in the rod from the same car the master cylinder came from and all was well. * I have a picture of a rod that I took after the job was done, therefore the photos must be of the long rod I am not using. * If you have a rod that's too short, then when you step on the pedal your foot will have to move further than originally planned before the piston moves - which I think describes your situation. Logical - no? Doesn't mean it's right... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt wrote: You may remember some time ago when I replaced the clutch MC in my '78 240D and the pedal feel got real high and short. So yesterday I converted a new-type clutch rod to an old type by grinding the beanie off the end. Tonight I installed it and it made no difference... My experience with 240D clutch MC is from 2 years ago. My son and I spent 6 hours trying to get the MC in so we could bleed and adjust per instructions. The critical item lacking was the ability to get the piston high enough in the cylinder to bleed. At the time, my son scolded me for wasting his time - on a lift at the shop where he works, and said I would do the next install if I did not get an MC from the dealer. I got the MC from the dealer and my son did the work... again. We installed the MC, pedal movement got us to bleed port and adjusted like the instructions indicated. Of course, we did the MC only and last year did the slave - it was recommended that we do both at the same time, but... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clutch question
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is not for a MB but a chrysler product actually but I guess would hold true for any car with a clutch. Symptom is shifts OK when cold, or driving on highway. If you are doing a lot of stop and go traffic, or sit in a parking lot with the engine running for more than about 20 minutes it gets real hard to get it in gear. Is this the clutch worn out or could it be something in the fluid/master/slave cylinder? Either your clutch is dragging or the pilot bearing is dying. The problem might be very slight, so it only hits after the transmission fluid is warm and thin. When the tranny is cold, the drag inside the trans is greater than the drag inside the clutch. Clutch drag could be from a lot of causes, including being low on working fluid in the master cylinder, or air anywhere in the clutch hydraulics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clutch question
My guess is fluid/master/slave cylinder, clutch disk binding slightly on the input shaft, also check the tranny for correct fluid and amount. Hot oil is thiner so dragging disk or slight drag in the pilot bushing or bearing would tend to cause the gears to rotate. Also low oil or too thin could let gears roll when hot. I've had all those happen at one time or another. Manfred Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 18:23:38 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] clutch question This is not for a MB but a chrysler product actually but I guess would hold true for any car with a clutch. Symptom is shifts OK when cold, or driving on highway. If you are doing a lot of stop and go traffic, or sit in a parking lot with the engine running for more than about 20 minutes it gets real hard to get it in gear. Is this the clutch worn out or could it be something in the fluid/master/slave cylinder? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clutch question
Why do you even know that a Chrysler has clutch problems??? Ran out of Mercedes to drive? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: This is not for a MB but a chrysler product actually but I guess would hold true for any car with a clutch. Symptom is shifts OK when cold, or driving on highway. If you are doing a lot of stop and go traffic, or sit in a parking lot with the engine running for more than about 20 minutes it gets real hard to get it in gear. Is this the clutch worn out or could it be something in the fluid/master/slave cylinder? -- -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clutch question
It's my company car Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you even know that a Chrysler has clutch problems??? Ran out of Mercedes to drive? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: This is not for a MB but a chrysler product actually but I guess would hold true for any car with a clutch. Symptom is shifts OK when cold, or driving on highway. If you are doing a lot of stop and go traffic, or sit in a parking lot with the engine running for more than about 20 minutes it gets real hard to get it in gear. Is this the clutch worn out or could it be something in the fluid/master/slave cylinder? -- -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clutch question
He'll never run out of MBs to drive, just MBs that run some corollary of Murphy's lawthen more old MBs you have, the weirder the problems will be thus more time consuming. And the end result is that the more MBs (or any old car) you have, the harder it is to keep one running. energy/cost to number of cars running is a parabolic curve. Why do you even know that a Chrysler has clutch problems??? Ran out of Mercedes to drive? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: This is not for a MB but a chrysler product actually but I guess would hold true for any car with a clutch. Symptom is shifts OK when cold, or driving on highway. If you are doing a lot of stop and go traffic, or sit in a parking lot with the engine running for more than about 20 minutes it gets real hard to get it in gear. Is this the clutch worn out or could it be something in the fluid/master/slave cylinder? -- -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Yeah. Sorry about that. I was reading through the digest and stopped to send without finishing all the others that were piled up behind it. Manfred Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod You haven't been following along with the other posts, but based on your post I understand why! ;) A. Theres a ball on the end so you can't just cut it off. I could section it I suppose, weld the ball back on. B. Its an annoying fiddly job to get it in and out. C. Assuming Rusty can get the correct part its ~$10. Not much of my time has to be spent to equal $10. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
What part number did Rusty send you? EPC says two different part numbers are 123 290 07 93 (up to ident. no: A091118) or 000 259 08 33 (as of ident. no: 091119). -Max From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:39:32 PM Subject: [MBZ] Clutch rod Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Been thinking that... The problem is that its got a ball on the end, the rod I think moved in a somewhat eliptical motion so the ball keeps it from getting stuck. I *think* I could shorten and weld a new ball on or take the length from the center and weld the ball back on to the end. Still since I don't know how much length needs to come out and since its moderately annoying to do the swap, it'd be way easier if somebody had the actual correct part. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:51:10 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: aanlktimsf_vom6hwk7s3qltsdm6fsvjdem3tz+wuq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now that you have two that are too long, you can take a Dremel with a cut-off disk and a grinding stone and shorten one till it works right --- just thought I'd throw that out there for consideration ;-) On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
The ball on the end is much larger than the shaft of the rod. I think that forces it to stay clipped into the MC plunger... Still I could cut the end off, shorten the shaft and weld it back together... See my other post for my concerns on that. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:18:07 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: a06240803c990d2356564@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Got a Makita grinder? (or a HF 4.5 grinder?) Cut it to length and grind the end round. Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. OK Don wrote: Now that you have two that are too long, you can take a Dremel with a cut-off disk and a grinding stone and shorten one till it works right I'm not willing to part with mine - but I can measure it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
I hadn't even thought to check... 000 259 08 33 - Well thats probably my problem... -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 04:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: 74197.52619...@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What part number did Rusty send you? EPC says two different part numbers are 123 290 07 93 (up to ident. no: A091118) or 000 259 08 33 (as of ident. no: 091119). -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
How about cutting out the middle and replacing with some threaded rod deal, so you can adjust by turning the center portion and then locking in place with a couple of locking nuts, similar to the adjustable throttle linkages or the linkage for the self-leveling rear suspension. Trick would be to have threads right-hand at one end, and left-hand at the other. _OR_ If the ball end doesn't care which end is up, make that end the part that turns, and you only need right-handed threads and one lock nut. In other words, you will be re-engineering so the awkward cam/nut adjustment becomes redundant, replaced by something easier to adjust and with a greater range of adjustment. Trick will be to make it stiff and strong like the original. -Max (full of solutions for all the worlds problems) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 9:34:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Been thinking that... The problem is that its got a ball on the end, the rod I think moved in a somewhat eliptical motion so the ball keeps it from getting stuck. I *think* I could shorten and weld a new ball on or take the length from the center and weld the ball back on to the end. Still since I don't know how much length needs to come out and since its moderately annoying to do the swap, it'd be way easier if somebody had the actual correct part. -Curt Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:51:10 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: aanlktimsf_vom6hwk7s3qltsdm6fsvjdem3tz+wuq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now that you have two that are too long, you can take a Dremel with a cut-off disk and a grinding stone and shorten one till it works right --- just thought I'd throw that out there for consideration ;-) On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Since you seem to have two that are too long why not just cut one shorter by 1/8 at a time till you get to a comfortable length? That's what I would do. Manfred Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: 280053.2302...@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
That'd work. Best thing for me would actually be a pic of the rod next to/on a ruler... -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:19:54 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: 20110228091954.705ded9d.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. OK Don wrote: Now that you have two that are too long, you can take a Dremel with a cut-off disk and a grinding stone and shorten one till it works right I'm not willing to part with mine - but I can measure it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Thats a pretty good idea though I'm not sure my fabrication skills are up to it... The rod isn't very long (3 maybe) and a majority of it lives in a bellows thing... -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: 468265.78694...@web180004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about cutting out the middle and replacing with some threaded rod deal, so you can adjust by turning the center portion and then locking in place with a couple of locking nuts, similar to the adjustable throttle linkages or the linkage for the self-leveling rear suspension. Trick would be to have threads right-hand at one end, and left-hand at the other. _OR_ If the ball end doesn't care which end is up, make that end the part that turns, and you only need right-handed threads and one lock nut. In other words, you will be re-engineering so the awkward cam/nut adjustment becomes redundant, replaced by something easier to adjust and with a greater range of adjustment. Trick will be to make it stiff and strong like the original. -Max (full of solutions for all the worlds problems) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
You haven't been following along with the other posts, but based on your post I understand why! ;) A. Theres a ball on the end so you can't just cut it off. I could section it I suppose, weld the ball back on. B. Its an annoying fiddly job to get it in and out. C. Assuming Rusty can get the correct part its ~$10. Not much of my time has to be spent to equal $10. -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:02 -0500 From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod Message-ID: 4d6c30ea.4050...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Since you seem to have two that are too long why not just cut one shorter by 1/8 at a time till you get to a comfortable length? That's what I would do. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Now that you have two that are too long, you can take a Dremel with a cut-off disk and a grinding stone and shorten one till it works right --- just thought I'd throw that out there for consideration ;-) On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod
Got a Makita grinder? (or a HF 4.5 grinder?) Cut it to length and grind the end round. Hey, Anybody got an old (say pre '80) 240D manual trans what they could rob the actuating rod from the clutch master cylinder? The one I got on my '78 now seems to be too long. I got a replacement from Rusty which is exactly the same. The clutch on this car actuates really high since I inadvertently put in a too new clutch rod and again inadvertently threw the old rod away... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
That explains the unusually high clutch pedal on my '78 240D w/'83 clutch MC... Now I'll need to dig through the trash and find the arm from the '78 MC... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:32:12 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual Message-ID: 20101226233212.b53e1aa8.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Fmiser wrote: The supply hose was leaking, so I did a field-expedient repair with an incorrect hose. While under the dash, I noticed the master cylinder was leaking a bit. That was last week. Yesterday I found a large puddle of break fluid under the car. Seems to be coming off the area around the slave cylinder. So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. This too is now complete. On the clutch system, Rusty got me a new slave cylinder, new master cylinder supply hose (used to be a lenth of bulk hose. Now it's a corrugated, exact-length hose. Part number 003-997-12-52 for about $8). I took the master cylinder from a parts car, honed the bore, cleaned it up, and used it. The clutch master cylinder as a whole seems to be interchangable - but not the sub parts! The rods from the pedal to the piston were NOT the same length, so the rod needs to stay with the rest of the cylinder. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:32:12 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. This too is now complete. Congratulations! I used the same gear to force clean fluid into the brake system from the calipers. I'm not sure I would have done it from that direction. I'd be concerned about getting dirty brake fluid into the master cylinder reservoir. No leaks - and it all works and feels right. Again, congratulations! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:32:12 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. This too is now complete. Craig wrote: Congratulations! Thanks! *smiles* And thank you for the manual! I used the same gear to force clean fluid into the brake system from the calipers. I'm not sure I would have done it from that direction. I'd be concerned about getting dirty brake fluid into the master cylinder reservoir. It did. And I then sucked all the dirty stuff out of the tank. Besides, I seem to have a, uhm, well - history of running the tank dry when I bleed the brakes the other way. Thought I'd give this a try. I considered trying it _before_ the tank was on by putting a hose into the top of the master cylinder. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Fmiser wrote: The supply hose was leaking, so I did a field-expedient repair with an incorrect hose. While under the dash, I noticed the master cylinder was leaking a bit. That was last week. Yesterday I found a large puddle of break fluid under the car. Seems to be coming off the area around the slave cylinder. So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. This too is now complete. On the clutch system, Rusty got me a new slave cylinder, new master cylinder supply hose (used to be a lenth of bulk hose. Now it's a corrugated, exact-length hose. Part number 003-997-12-52 for about $8). I took the master cylinder from a parts car, honed the bore, cleaned it up, and used it. The clutch master cylinder as a whole seems to be interchangable - but not the sub parts! The rods from the pedal to the piston were NOT the same length, so the rod needs to stay with the rest of the cylinder. Rusty made me a good deal on the brake master cylinder, so I got a new one. I was pretty annoyed that none of the cylinders have rebuild parts available. I did pull a brake master cylinder from a parts car, honed the bore, cleaned it up. It will now sit on the shelf, ready to be put into service quickly. I bled the clutch system from the bottom. I used a canning jar. I took a dome, drilled two holes in it, and soldered a couple lengths of steel brake line to the holes. A long one to reach liquid, and a short one to reach air. Works for both vacuum and pressure, though using it for pressure worked better after I did make an extra gasket from an old inner-tube. I used the same gear to force clean fluid into the brake system from the calipers. I was using a bicycle tire pump as the pressure source. I'm going to look for a pressure regulator for my shop compressor that will regulate at less than 10 psi. No leaks - and it all works and feels right. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. -Rolf On 12/10/2010 10:23 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Is there a Mercedes manual section regarding clutch cylinder install bleeding? I cannot find that section in my Mercedes manuals anywhere. I have the Haynes manual also, but have only pressure bled the clutch from the brake reservoir - down to the slave bleed. My son does my work told me I will be the one bleeding the clutch from the bottom, because he has had too many brake fluid baths in the past to appreciate them anymore. His logic is not bad - pressure feeding fluid in to the bleed screw is problematic and tends to encourage brake fluid bathing - the bleed nipple is not a good pressure fitting. If someone can cite the Mercedes manual section referencing bleed the clutch from the bottom up and the equipment to do that - my son will do that, but not if it is Haynes - he has too much bad experience from the junk in Haynes. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:40:14 -0500 Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. Please post the URL to the list. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Rolf wrote: I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. Yes - please post the url - I want to see the factory manual on bleeding the system. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Rolf wrote: I have the manual manual in pdf form lying around somewhere. It covers the manual trans in pretty much every mb made in the mid 70s to mid80s (no 201 or 124 stuff). If you are interested I can email you a url. I think its about ye (100mb) big. Oh. I'd like a copy of that. A URL would be great! If you don't want the URL in the list archive, just send it to me directly. Thanks! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:07:25 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So I'll tackle the project without a manual - but if it includes any useful tricks I'd be mighty grateful for a copy! I have already put it in my briefcase. The scanned file is attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Haynes.W123.clutch.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 845250 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101209/614db556/attachment.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Is there a Mercedes manual section regarding clutch cylinder install bleeding? I cannot find that section in my Mercedes manuals anywhere. I have the Haynes manual also, but have only pressure bled the clutch from the brake reservoir - down to the slave bleed. My son does my work told me I will be the one bleeding the clutch from the bottom, because he has had too many brake fluid baths in the past to appreciate them anymore. His logic is not bad - pressure feeding fluid in to the bleed screw is problematic and tends to encourage brake fluid bathing - the bleed nipple is not a good pressure fitting. If someone can cite the Mercedes manual section referencing bleed the clutch from the bottom up and the equipment to do that - my son will do that, but not if it is Haynes - he has too much bad experience from the junk in Haynes. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:39:10 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: I wish you success. Thanks. :) This is at the same time the wagon's suspension system has it sidelined and the Suburban is iffy 'cause of a transmission acting funny. Why can't these cars take turns needing service? Indeed! It's like they get together and gang up on you, isn't it? So I'll tackle the project without a manual - but if it includes any useful tricks I'd be mighty grateful for a copy! I have already put it in my briefcase. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
I replaced the master cylinder 2 years ago, and the slave tonight. It took a week to get the correct part. Somehow my 84 euro 240D does not fit the chassis number cut-off in the EPC, or something, so the wrong slave was gotten. In calling the Classic Center, they provided the proper part number - how they know things... I don't know, but I would like to know how so that I can direct the parts guy next time, whether that be Rusty, or dealer. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:42:43 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find it. Am I blind? I have the CD, but can't seem to find a section on the clutch system. What do you want to know about it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:42:43 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find it. Am I blind? I have the CD, but can't seem to find a section on the clutch system. Craig wrote: What do you want to know about it? Everything about the control system. *grin* The supply hose was leaking, so I did a field-expedite repair with an incorrect hose. While under the dash, I noticed the master cylinder was leaking a bit. That was last week. Yesterday I found a large puddle of break fluid under the car. Seems to be coming off the area around the slave cylinder. So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. But I found the section in the manual for the brakes. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:27:16 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: What do you want to know about it? Everything about the control system. *grin* I don't know if I'd call it a control system, but it's not that difficult. I did look in my paper manuals (Engine manual and both volumes of the Chassis and Body manual) for information, but found only job 03-410, Removal and installation of flywheel and driven plate, and job 03-420, Refacing flywheel, to be related to the manual clutch in any way. I thought I had seen something that at least talked about bleeding the clutch, but I cannot find that either! The supply hose was leaking, so I did a field-expedite repair with an incorrect hose. While under the dash, I noticed the master cylinder was leaking a bit. That was last week. Yesterday I found a large puddle of break fluid under the car. Seems to be coming off the area around the slave cylinder. So it looks like I get to do a complete hydraulic system service. Oh - and the brake master cylinder is allowing the brake pedal to sink under light pressure, so it too need a rebuild. But I found the section in the manual for the brakes. So everything hydraulic needs to be looked at. The master cylinder for the brakes and its affiliated appurtenances are the more complicated part of the system. The clutch system has one master cylinder and one slave cylinder. The master cylinder is fed by a rubber/cloth hose from the rear section of the brake fluid reservoir. That goes through the firewall to the inlet of the clutch master cylinder. The outlet of the clutch master cylinder is connected to a hard line that goes through the firewall near to the bell housing. A short flex line jumps the gap between the body and the bell housing and connects to another hard line that goes to the slave cylinder, which actually does the work of pushing on the clutch actuator. The leak at the master cylinder can be due to the connection of the hard line being loose. That was the problem on our car when I found a brake-fluid-saturated (and ruined) driver's carpet. Both the master and the slave cylinders, of course, are subject to leaking gaskets and seals. I used to rebuild them, but don't anymore. Q has the parts you need. I found the best way to bleed the clutch is by pressure bleeding from the slave cylinder bleed screw. That has the potential of over-filling the brake fluid reservoir. Others say one should connect one of the front brake caliper bleed screws to the clutch slave cylinder bleed screw and pump the brakes. That risks ruining the brake master cylinder by running the seals onto a region that hasn't been much used and is therefore rough. Still others say start the car in gear and drive around until the clutch self-bleeds. I wish you success. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:17:07 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I did look in my paper manuals (Engine manual and both volumes of the Chassis and Body manual) for information, but found only job 03-410, Removal and installation of flywheel and driven plate, and job 03-420, Refacing flywheel, to be related to the manual clutch in any way. I thought I had seen something that at least talked about bleeding the clutch, but I cannot find that either! Well, I did find something about it. The information is in my Haynes manual, MERCEDES-BENZ DIESEL 123 Series, part number 63012 (697), in Chapter 8, Clutch and driveline. If you want, I can take the manual to work tomorrow and scan it on our copier (which does network scanning by making PDF files). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch in the 123 service manual
Craig wrote: The leak at the master cylinder can be due to the connection of the hard line being loose. That was the problem on our car when I found a brake-fluid-saturated (and ruined) driver's carpet. Aaah. I had not though of that. I'll definitely check that before deciding it must come out. Both the master and the slave cylinders, of course, are subject to leaking gaskets and seals. I used to rebuild them, but don't anymore. Q has the parts you need. I was figuring on rebuilding both masters and the clutch slave. I wish you success. Thanks. :) This is at the same time the wagon's suspension system has it sidelined and the Suburban is iffy 'cause of a transmission acting funny. Why can't these cars take turns needing service? If you want, I can take the manual to work tomorrow and scan it on our copier (which does network scanning by making PDF files). Well, I'm familiar with the concept of the system. And I'm comfortable rebuilding cylinders, etc. But the manual can be handy for the sneaky bits - like which bolts have to come out to get the clutch master cylinder out. And bolt torques for re-assembly. So I'll tackle the project without a manual - but if it includes any useful tricks I'd be mighty grateful for a copy! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
Yep! -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Craig Sent: Tue 11/23/2010 9:39 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:27:49 -0500 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I bought the Motive power bleeder with attachment for MB reservoirs (about $40 plus shipping IIRC), and it is mighty nice to use (when properly set-up so it doesn't leak). Some extra pieces and parts would be needed to attach to the clutch slave bleeder nipple - should be available for about $3 at local hardware store. Like the attached picture shows? Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pressure.bleed.clutch.hookup.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 171333 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101123/b41347e9/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
Dieselhead wrote Plus if the master is adjusted per the procedure Max posted, it can't self bleed. It probably would if you adjusted the eccentric so that the fluid WOULD flow up into the master. That should allow self-bleeding, except maybe the slave, depending on how it is oriented. I think that the procedure I posted would still allow it to self-bleed, because of the 1 mm spacer used. Once the spacer is pulled out, the clutch pedal and the master cylinder rod would move back, and open the internal ports which allow the fluid and air to freely flow up/down? I don't know, never used the procedure I posted, I simply installed the new parts, drove around in first gear until they self-bled and worked, and left good enough alone. Maybe I got lucky. Is it better to be lucky or good? -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Wed 11/24/2010 8:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? The 110 diesels would self bleed if you just opened the bleed screw a little. When it dripped a steady stream, close the bleeder. I usually tried then to let is sit overnight in case any lil air bubbles are trapped inside. Apparently the tube routing is more complicated on 123 and newer cars. Plus if the master is adjusted per the procedure Max posted, it can't self bleed. It probably would if you adjusted the eccentric so that the fluid WOULD flow up into the master. That should allow self-bleeding, except maybe the slave, depending on how it is oriented. Concur, that's why I recommended and successfully have used the procedure that Marshall Booth promoted: allow it to self bleed by driving around in first gear for a few minutes. Worked great on a 123 and a 201. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? This sounds awfully complicated. On my 115, I just opened the bleed screw, moved the pedal up and down a few times, and called it a day. Seems to be working fine ever since. Someone wrote: The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
Ah! I forgot about the spacer. Yes, that is probably what lets it self bleed Dieselhead wrote Plus if the master is adjusted per the procedure Max posted, it can't self bleed. It probably would if you adjusted the eccentric so that the fluid WOULD flow up into the master. That should allow self-bleeding, except maybe the slave, depending on how it is oriented. I think that the procedure I posted would still allow it to self-bleed, because of the 1 mm spacer used. Once the spacer is pulled out, the clutch pedal and the master cylinder rod would move back, and open the internal ports which allow the fluid and air to freely flow up/down? I don't know, never used the procedure I posted, I simply installed the new parts, drove around in first gear until they self-bled and worked, and left good enough alone. Maybe I got lucky. Is it better to be lucky or good? -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Wed 11/24/2010 8:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? The 110 diesels would self bleed if you just opened the bleed screw a little. When it dripped a steady stream, close the bleeder. I usually tried then to let is sit overnight in case any lil air bubbles are trapped inside. Apparently the tube routing is more complicated on 123 and newer cars. Plus if the master is adjusted per the procedure Max posted, it can't self bleed. It probably would if you adjusted the eccentric so that the fluid WOULD flow up into the master. That should allow self-bleeding, except maybe the slave, depending on how it is oriented. Concur, that's why I recommended and successfully have used the procedure that Marshall Booth promoted: allow it to self bleed by driving around in first gear for a few minutes. Worked great on a 123 and a 201. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? This sounds awfully complicated. On my 115, I just opened the bleed screw, moved the pedal up and down a few times, and called it a day. Seems to be working fine ever since. Someone wrote: The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
Thanks for sharing that link - I learned that there is an inverse relationship between the number of pirates and the global average temperature (number of pirates is in steady decline, temperature is increasing, ergo the solution is more pirates). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? As in - http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ ??? On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: . I'll stick to the FSM... OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
This sounds awfully complicated. On my 115, I just opened the bleed screw, moved the pedal up and down a few times, and called it a day. Seems to be working fine ever since. Someone wrote: The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
Concur, that's why I recommended and successfully have used the procedure that Marshall Booth promoted: allow it to self bleed by driving around in first gear for a few minutes. Worked great on a 123 and a 201. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? This sounds awfully complicated. On my 115, I just opened the bleed screw, moved the pedal up and down a few times, and called it a day. Seems to be working fine ever since. Someone wrote: The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:27:49 -0500 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I bought the Motive power bleeder with attachment for MB reservoirs (about $40 plus shipping IIRC), and it is mighty nice to use (when properly set-up so it doesn't leak). Some extra pieces and parts would be needed to attach to the clutch slave bleeder nipple - should be available for about $3 at local hardware store. Like the attached picture shows? Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pressure.bleed.clutch.hookup.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 171333 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101123/b41347e9/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
The 110 diesels would self bleed if you just opened the bleed screw a little. When it dripped a steady stream, close the bleeder. I usually tried then to let is sit overnight in case any lil air bubbles are trapped inside. Apparently the tube routing is more complicated on 123 and newer cars. Plus if the master is adjusted per the procedure Max posted, it can't self bleed. It probably would if you adjusted the eccentric so that the fluid WOULD flow up into the master. That should allow self-bleeding, except maybe the slave, depending on how it is oriented. Concur, that's why I recommended and successfully have used the procedure that Marshall Booth promoted: allow it to self bleed by driving around in first gear for a few minutes. Worked great on a 123 and a 201. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? This sounds awfully complicated. On my 115, I just opened the bleed screw, moved the pedal up and down a few times, and called it a day. Seems to be working fine ever since. Someone wrote: The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
I bought the Motive power bleeder with attachment for MB reservoirs (about $40 plus shipping IIRC), and it is mighty nice to use (when properly set-up so it doesn't leak). Some extra pieces and parts would be needed to attach to the clutch slave bleeder nipple - should be available for about $3 at local hardware store. Now that I have three cars with ABS, the bleeder is pretty much a necessity. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:36 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? Including rotating that dammed eccentric bolt which is a BASTARD if I'm honest about it... Fortunately it just occurred to me to hold the thing with needle nose pliers so you can tighten the other bolt, you really can't use a wrench... So my take on it, put a 1mm thick shim between the rubber clutch stop and the pedal. Apply less than 2 bar pressure (using brake fluid) to the bleeder on the slave, open said bleeder and adjust the eccentric until the fluid level in the MC stops rising. The problem is for this one you can't use the brake system because that system being a closed system it can't make the level in the MC rise, you MUST have a pressure bleed device, which I don't. *sigh* time to build a pressure bleed device I guess. -Curt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:01:38 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b80369d...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here you go. Procedure looks like it calls for a pressure bleeder to maintain pressure (2 bar maximum) at the bleeder screw of the slave; rather fiddly. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure?
. I'll stick to the FSM... -Rolf On 11/20/2010 08:31 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Curt, Try this before anything else: self-bleed the clutch! Put the car into first gear, pointed in a safe direction to start driving (i.e. out into the street, hopefully with no traffic or very light traffic). Let out clutch pedal, and don't touch it for the next five minutes. Ensure MC reservoir is full full full! Glow, and start the car, leaving the transmission in gear. Drive around in first gear for five minutes or so. After a couple of minutes, gingerly test the clutch pedal for firmness - if it goes to the floor, be prepared to pull it back to upright position (it will not self-bleed if pedal depressed, must be in upright position to open the port in the MC to allow fluid to freely flow to/from the reservoir). Check the MC reservoir when done to see if you need to top it up. You may need to start the car in neutral and let it warm up a bit before trying this to make sure it will start in gear. Reverse would bleed just as well except not as easy to drive around in reverse for five minutes. I've successfully used this method on a 123 and a 201, and I've never had to use the official method of hooking a hose between front right brake caliper and clutch slave bleeder, opening both bleeders, and then pump the brakes to circulate fluid through the clutch circuit. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Curt Raymond Sent: Thu 11/18/2010 7:11 PM To: Diesel List Cc: Dwight Giles Subject: [MBZ] Clutch bleed procedure? Anybody happen to know the procedure to bleed the clutch on a '78 240D? I messed around with mine today, the master cylinder was the issue. I figured that after I pulled the slave and realized the one in the car was better than the one from my parts car... The plunger at the top of the master came out of the cylinder when I took it out, pretty good hint eh? I can also see where its been leaking. I got the replacement (from my parts car, hurray for a parts car!) in and have gotten it to the point where it'll at least self return but before going any farther I wanted to check in. It seems like it'd bleed just like brakes, have somebody pump the clutch a bunch, then hold it down and open the bleeder. Sound right? That bleeder is a BASTARD to get at... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
