Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. It can get water in it, but unlike the brakes it's circulated, heated, and vented. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Thats yearly for me... Too much work. Remember I'm the guy working on getting out to 15,000 mile oil changes, that way I should be able to change 3 times every 2 years... I lived in an apartment for 3 years while driving my 240D. I had a 110ah marine battery and a 400watt inverter. I'd lug them down to the car (3rd floor walkup) and setup in the trunk. Then head back upstairs to take a shower and have breakfast. In an hour I'd head back down, get the car started and let it warm a bit while I hauled the battery back upstairs to go on the charger. Repeat for every day it was below 10F. Last winter living in the house was outstanding, I had the block heater in the 190D on a timer even if it wasn't all that cold out. It'd come on at 6am and by the end of our dead end street I'd have heat. My wife was so jelous... -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I drive 45,000 - 55,000 miles / year and right now my cost per mile is less in my 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee than my 87 300SDL, so I drive the Jeep most of the time. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:02 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender I think I'm at the bottom of the high mileage drivers ranks. I do about 20,000 miles a year (110 miles a day plus some other travel). To match the 40+mpg my 190D gets I'd need to drive a very small gasser. Of course right now gas is about 16% cheaper than diesel so a 33.6mpg gasser about approximates my 190D. But I paid (once everything was working right) about $4,000 for my car. A new car would want that much every year in payments... The last time I took my car to my indy he did nothing, I'd thought it needed rear subframe mounts, he said it actually needed rear tires. I gave him $20 for his time which he didn't want to take... Week after next it'll go in for coolant. I've budgeted $200 a month for repairs/maintenance on this car. Sometimes we plow through it (driveshaft replacement because the rubber thingus was gone) and sometimes we don't... Plus theres just something about pulling up to the diesel pump. Threading my way past the big rigs. Having the truckers ask me what mileage my go-kart gets. -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:13:01 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Larry, I agree with pretty much every thing you say. The bottom end of your engine may make it to a million, but most of the other parts are about as likely to as my gasser is. One thing I did notice where I live, ppl buy diesels to put LOTS of miles on them. I know several, and even yours I believe Larry seem to have very lows miles. It's next to impossible to find a car of that age with such miles here. Most gassers will have 250,000 or more, diesels 3-400,000 or more, at which point, all the suspension is shot, trans is shot if not already rebuilt etc. If I could find a nice diesel here with 150,000 on it, I'd snap it up, but I tell you, hard to find, I've look for a few years now. Having said that, if I find the right one, I still want to join you guys!!! hee hee. A Camry? Larry!! What were you thinking. lol. :-) Ed 300E - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Block heaters work on gassers too. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:07 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Thats yearly for me... Too much work. Remember I'm the guy working on getting out to 15,000 mile oil changes, that way I should be able to change 3 times every 2 years... I lived in an apartment for 3 years while driving my 240D. I had a 110ah marine battery and a 400watt inverter. I'd lug them down to the car (3rd floor walkup) and setup in the trunk. Then head back upstairs to take a shower and have breakfast. In an hour I'd head back down, get the car started and let it warm a bit while I hauled the battery back upstairs to go on the charger. Repeat for every day it was below 10F. Last winter living in the house was outstanding, I had the block heater in the 190D on a timer even if it wasn't all that cold out. It'd come on at 6am and by the end of our dead end street I'd have heat. My wife was so jelous... -Curt Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Tom Hargrave wrote: Block heaters work on gassers too. I tried to order a Sunfire with block heater a couple of years ago, right after Pontiac quit guaranteeing the orders. Mine didn't go through, probably would have been one of the last ten stick shift Sunfires made if I had gotten it. The saleschick was astonished that I'd pay $30 for a block heater on a $10,000 car in Michigan, she asked me if I traveled in Canada in the winter. I told her I liked heaters that worked and engines that lasted longer. I also figured I'd save enough gas to make it worth the effort. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You would have saved more than enough to cover the block heater, particularly if you had it timed to turn on 2 hours before you left in the morning. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Tom Hargrave wrote: Block heaters work on gassers too. I tried to order a Sunfire with block heater a couple of years ago, right after Pontiac quit guaranteeing the orders. Mine didn't go through, probably would have been one of the last ten stick shift Sunfires made if I had gotten it. The saleschick was astonished that I'd pay $30 for a block heater on a $10,000 car in Michigan, she asked me if I traveled in Canada in the winter. I told her I liked heaters that worked and engines that lasted longer. I also figured I'd save enough gas to make it worth the effort. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
i can't remember back to the 1920s like you can, tom. On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
my 77 downsized le sabre. i was able to change out the alternator in under 3 minutes and a rebuilt was about 30 bucks in the 1990s. transmission was THM350, so it lasted about a billion miles with any care at all and similar results could be had with the quadrajet carb, not like hargrave's 1920s cars On 9/14/07, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com
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On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I also suspect it is an age thing. When I was much younger, we had a family friend who drove MB Diesels. My father always lusted after them - partly because of the fuel economy. Of course, back then we were comparing them to American vehicles that generally made pretty poor fuel mileage. It may not make a lot of sense to drive an old MB Diesel these days if the issue is fuel economy. The new Toyota and Honda models do better on gas than my 300D for mileage and the difference in price for diesel fuel is not what it once was. BUT I got the idea in my head many years ago and I have always wanted to have an MB Diesel. I have one now and I quite like it. It is a bit of an odd thing I suppose as the new gas powered vehicles are much smoother and quieter etc - but I like my car. What can I say? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yah right, I'm talking about the 60s. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender i can't remember back to the 1920s like you can, tom. On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And the dipstick was eliminated because contamination from removing and wiping the dipstick was considered worse than the rare times that people found low fluid with the dipstick. (usually low fluid level is detected by what's this puddle under the car or, more commonly why won't the car move) I just wish they had put a low oil level sensor in the tranny when they eliminated the dipstick. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Last I checked you could overheat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If your fluid was black, you changed the fluid, put in magnets and they are continuing to trap stuff then I suggest that you don't stray far from home to keep your upcoming towing bill to a minimum. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The only gasser I'd think of owning would be an early sixties Beetle. With oversize tires it would get 33 mpg and the engines would run 100K if the valves were adjusted regularly. You could set the engine on a dinette table and rebuild it from the crank on up. Put 50K per year on those cars. Parts are still available and fairly cheap. I get a fat catalog monthly from Mid America which lists everything for Beetles except the frame and shell. If the mileage were better, the '70s model Plymouth/Dodges with slant six engines would be a tossup with the Beetles. $20 ignition modules replaced the points, and the engines and the (727?) transmissions were nearly indestructible. I had a '73 Duster and an '80 Dodge station wagon. Gerry - - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also remember being able to work on my 1969 Plymouth Valiant without using any flex-head or swivel adapters. There was almost enough room for me to climb into the engine compartment - and that's with the engine still in place. I got the V-8 so things were a little tight :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I remember back in the day - when points, drum brakes carburetors were king. Back then, you and your mechanic were on a first name bases, not necessarily because you were friends but because you stopped by so often. And this was not just an American car problem. It was the state of the entire industry, including Mercedes. The typical service life of major assemblies was (from memory): - Points - 6,000 miles max before adjusting, 3,000 miles more typical, replace when pitting got too bad Condenser - Not replaced if points pitting was at a minimum and you had a good mechanic who understood the relationship between the condenser points pitting. Otherwise, replaced with points. Distributor cap - Replaced with points Plugs wires - Replaced with points Engine timing - very time to fiddled with the points sometimes more often, depending on points rubbing block wear Carburetor - 35,000 miles before rebuild adjust at least twice / year Drum Brakes - 35,000 miles max Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Alternator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Starter - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Ball joints tie rod ends - service with every oil change or every 25,000 miles (Ford) Water pump - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Tires - 35,000 miles - and that was for the good ones! And I'm talking about bias ply here - the cheap ones would go 25,000 miles. Balance tires - every 6 months they really needed it by then. Master cylinder - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Wheel cylinders - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Radiator - 60,000 miles max but often needed service before 35,000 miles Engine - Needed major service before 100,000 miles Transmission - Needed major service before 100,000 miles These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender were it only that simply, dude. once upon a time it was that simple, back in the days of points. but when the electronic engine management starts going skanky with the miles, all the plugs and wires in the world won't help you. On 9/13/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all
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AAA Gold I can go 150 miles. Of course the tranny has 330,000 miles on it and this is the same car I am running 100% WVO in without any mods. Sometimes you have to live life on the edge :-) -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your fluid was black, you changed the fluid, put in magnets and they are continuing to trap stuff then I suggest that you don't stray far from home to keep your upcoming towing bill to a minimum. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Years ago, the manufacturers waffled between change and no change. And even in 70s, some mechanics did not recommend changing the fluid. Then they realiized that they were loosing revene and everyone recommended transmission fluid changed, the more often the better. The issue centers around the fact that unlike engine oil, there is nothing to contaminate transmission fluid except for material from the wear parts. Most of this material settles in the bottom of the pan. Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/14/07 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Mercedes is in on the act: when picking up parts at the dealer, I asked how often the transmission fluid should be changed on my 1999 E300. They said Never - it's good for life.. Of course that's bullshit. Never changing trans fluid just guarantees it will fail. They even stopped putting a drain plug on the Torque Converter. I guess they saved $1.75 by skipping the machining process of seating a drain plug. Not to mention all the repair business they will get from replacing transmissions for pissed off customers. -Dave Walton On 9/14/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure do, and when we replace the pickup next year or the year after that the new truck will get one. I'm not going to sweat putting one into a truck I plan on getting rid of in a year or two. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:23:23 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Block heaters work on gassers too. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes you can overheat the transmission fluid and when you do, you need to change it as soon as possible. But that's more of a specific cause effect. You also need to find out why you overheated the transmission to keep from doing it again possibly damaging the transmission. This brings up a good point. Anything I've ever found wrong with the transmission fluid (dark, burnt, low, milky, etc...) has been tied to a specific failure and not to the age of the fluid. In other words, the condition of the fluid makes a good indicator of what's going on inside the transmission. Also, I've changed transmission fluid for friends with slipping transmissions over the years and most of the time the change made no difference. In every case that the change helped, the bottom of the pan and the filter were loaded up with grey sludge. But also, in every case the transmission failed within another 2000 miles. This tells me that the gunk in the bottom of the pan in the filter was caused by a failing internal part (probably a clutch) as opposed to the clutch failing because of the transmission fluid. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Tom Hargrave wrote: Also, auto tranny fluid does not absorb water like brake fluid and it does not wear out. Last I checked you could overheat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How many posts do we get a month where the answer is change the tranny fluid and filter? I don't generally pay attention but my cars are usually manuals. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:59:11 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I got my 87SDL, it would not shift into 3rd, flared horribly going into 2nd, and shifted hard. When I drained the trans fluid, it came out looking like chocolate syrup. I've changed the fluid at least 4 times thus far and the magnets I put in the transmission pan are still coming out covered with black slime. The transmission is working perfectly now. It might make sense to a theoretical physicist that the fluid should last forever, but things are different in the real world. The fact is that if you change your transmission fluid, it WILL last longer. You are welcome to test out your theory on your own car, Tom. Let us know how it goes -Dave Walton - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with you but I also know that most Americans drive their cars until something breaks. And unlike the 60's early 70's, most of today's cars will go 100,000 miles without a major failure. Car manufacturers have come a long way with reliability longevity. The first major hurdle was the change from generators to alternators in the early 60's. The second major hurdle was the change from points to electronic distributors in the early 70's. This actually had a cascading effect since the new higher voltage ignitions made spark plug gap a little less critical and kept the plugs cleaner, causing them to last longer. The third major hurdle was the widespread implementation of fuel injection. This also had a cascading effect: There was less gasoline wash down, extending the life of the engine Spark plugs lasted even longer because they burned cleaner The car started immediately, greatly reducing starter wear charging system load The fourth major hurdle was computer control of the transmission. This change reduced internal clutch wear increased transmission life. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender On 9/14/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, you can drive most cars past 100,000 miles with no major service. I'm not convinced this is always a good thing. You're talking about average service lives of components. A significant part of the data set is under the left half of the bell curve, meaning that something will fail before 100,000 miles---often with no more indication than the Check Engine light and maybe a funny noise or two (easily ignored with the amount of soundproofing in new cars). Then the average driver freaks out at the cost of deferred maintenance, and another car ends up run into the ground and ready for the junkyard after 10 years. It's wasteful. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pah... Everybody said my 190D was junk when the iron levels were high in the engine oil. Now 30,000 miles later the oil tests normal at 10,000 mile intervals and I'm thinking I can take it out to 15k. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:18:08 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 AAA Gold I can go 150 miles. Of course the tranny has 330,000 miles on it and this is the same car I am running 100% WVO in without any mods. Sometimes you have to live life on the edge :-) -Dave Walton - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - like the S320 perhaps? Seems like a lot around. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender The ideal would be one that has a replacement MB engine installed. The rods that Rusty sells should be the correct, stronger ones. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/06/07 10:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140. Would that person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with over 200k? Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably not going to have any problems. If its got 135k, that is about when the rods bend of they are going to. What about replacing the rods beforehand? Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not flawed? I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers. Tom, Also feeling the pull of the 140 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - like the S320 perhaps? Seems like a lot around. Who cares? When it's time for a valve job or an engine computer fails, swap in a turbo OM603 or OM606. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd like to hear from anyone who has done that kind of swap before. -Dave Walton On 9/13/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT wrote: Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - like the S320 perhaps? Seems like a lot around. Who cares? When it's time for a valve job or an engine computer fails, swap in a turbo OM603 or OM606. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - like the S320 perhaps? Seems like a lot around. The engine in the S320 was the same engine in the E320. Nice engine, but the head gasket tended to need replacing at ~ 90kmi. Absolutely nothing common about the diesel and gas engines. The 140 is a money pit. Lots of wonderful features and it drives like a dream, BUT it's expensive to maintain. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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dave walton wrote: I'd like to hear from anyone who has done that kind of swap before. Only in the back of my mind, but I'd use the motor mounts/arms from the 350SD and an injection pump for a '86-87 603 engine, and splice in enough wiring harness to make the glow plugs and idle circuit work. I'm assuming that you'd have room for the W124 or W126 engine accessories, but if not, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with 350SD compressor, alternator, etc. mounts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Larry, I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. If you drive a lot, and put tonnes of miles on a car, I can see the savings, but for the average driver, I don't know if it's really such a big deal. You can put a whole lot of miles on a gasser engine, if well cared for. I know lots of guys with american V8s with half a million on them. Went to an auction and looked at several 420s and 560s. None had less than 400,000 on them. My old W124 gasser has about 345,000 kms. I don't drive it lots and lots now, but it is used daily, and seems to run with few problems. Fuel consumption doesn't even seem that bad when driven the way the police like you to drive. Although, it does seem to prefer to be driven like a porsche. :-) Providing it was well cared for, and it's not a model that has known issues, I wouldn't pass up a higher mileage, well cared for gasser too quick. :-) Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - like the S320 perhaps? Seems like a lot around. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender The ideal would be one that has a replacement MB engine installed. The rods that Rusty sells should be the correct, stronger ones. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/06/07 10:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140. Would that person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with over 200k? Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably not going to have any problems. If its got 135k, that is about when the rods bend of they are going to. What about replacing the rods beforehand? Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not flawed? I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers. Tom, Also feeling the pull of the 140 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Alex wrote:Not having an ignition system to worry about That's what attracts me also - most gas engined cars have engine bays billed with black boxes that do all kinds of mischevious things - things that take forever to trouble shoot when they start to misbehave. Actually, I sold a perfectly nice Camry for just that reason - and bought our 91 300D which was 8 years older but had about the same miles. The biggest differenece is I can work on the diesel but was totally baffled when just *looking* at the engine of the Toyota. I'm not really intimidated by mechanical things - but when I need to repair a car that will be driven to work it becomes something that must become almost 2nd nature. Working on a diesel takes away a lot of the variables. When theres a problem the number of possible culprits are much smaller on a diesel. And the culprits are also likely to be less catastrophic on a diesel given the same set of symptoms. That;s not explained very well but perhaps it will do for now. As far as diesels having the same likelyhood of seeing very high mileages, I disagree. I don;t know about the gassers and diesels you were familiar with but I think you might be comparing well maintained gassers with poorly maintained diesels. Also, many of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd hand - change that to 99.9% of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd hand - so while we try to understnd the kind of care the PO gave them, I suspect many rec'd very poor maintanence. Some people actually think a car costing $45,000 shouldn't *need* any maintanence - and I think they often received very little from PO's. I was given my mothers and M-I-Ls gassers - but neither had high mileage. I cared for them exactly as the OM suggested and even more often in many cases, but neither car was likely to see a million miles. My 91 300D will I think unless totalled like both the gassers (neither our fault) -- but anecdotal evidence is tough to use conclusively. YMMV also -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1004 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 5:22 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Yeah, I can buy that. :-) Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-) Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee hee. Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender
Hey Larry, I agree with pretty much every thing you say. The bottom end of your engine may make it to a million, but most of the other parts are about as likely to as my gasser is. One thing I did notice where I live, ppl buy diesels to put LOTS of miles on them. I know several, and even yours I believe Larry seem to have very lows miles. It's next to impossible to find a car of that age with such miles here. Most gassers will have 250,000 or more, diesels 3-400,000 or more, at which point, all the suspension is shot, trans is shot if not already rebuilt etc. If I could find a nice diesel here with 150,000 on it, I'd snap it up, but I tell you, hard to find, I've look for a few years now. Having said that, if I find the right one, I still want to join you guys!!! hee hee. A Camry? Larry!! What were you thinking. lol. :-) Ed 300E On 13/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex wrote:Not having an ignition system to worry about That's what attracts me also - most gas engined cars have engine bays billed with black boxes that do all kinds of mischevious things - things that take forever to trouble shoot when they start to misbehave. Actually, I sold a perfectly nice Camry for just that reason - and bought our 91 300D which was 8 years older but had about the same miles. The biggest differenece is I can work on the diesel but was totally baffled when just *looking* at the engine of the Toyota. I'm not really intimidated by mechanical things - but when I need to repair a car that will be driven to work it becomes something that must become almost 2nd nature. Working on a diesel takes away a lot of the variables. When theres a problem the number of possible culprits are much smaller on a diesel. And the culprits are also likely to be less catastrophic on a diesel given the same set of symptoms. That;s not explained very well but perhaps it will do for now. As far as diesels having the same likelyhood of seeing very high mileages, I disagree. I don;t know about the gassers and diesels you were familiar with but I think you might be comparing well maintained gassers with poorly maintained diesels. Also, many of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd hand - change that to 99.9% of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd hand - so while we try to understnd the kind of care the PO gave them, I suspect many rec'd very poor maintanence. Some people actually think a car costing $45,000 shouldn't *need* any maintanence - and I think they often received very little from PO's. I was given my mothers and M-I-Ls gassers - but neither had high mileage. I cared for them exactly as the OM suggested and even more often in many cases, but neither car was likely to see a million miles. My 91 300D will I think unless totalled like both the gassers (neither our fault) -- but anecdotal evidence is tough to use conclusively. YMMV also -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me. On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it. I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff. Just what part will do a million miles anyway? The bodies are the same, trans last about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last about the same I feel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free
