Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-29 Thread archer
Thanks, Clay.  That looks interesting.  If I don't find a dish, I'll try it.
Gerry
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- Original Message - 
From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Pringles can antenna
 google it
 clay
 
 On 25 Aug 2007, at 01:52, archer wrote:
 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway by the house
 with a
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is about 200 ft
 behind the
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a used store and
 mounting a
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect pickup but not
 sure it the
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the shop some way
 (200'),
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work with a Lynksis
 antenna
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can be used as a
 relay or
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis Gs and could
 buy an N).

 Suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Gerry

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 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?
 sku=USR5461
 I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole reason that it can
 function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a $20 rebate from USR.
 Luther

 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I second what Tom said ---

 On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't
 bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight
 wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.
 Tom
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-28 Thread Redghost
Pringles can antenna

google it

clay

On 25 Aug 2007, at 01:52, archer wrote:

 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway by the house  
 with a
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is about 200 ft  
 behind the
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a used store and  
 mounting a
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect pickup but not  
 sure it the
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the shop some way  
 (200'),
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work with a Lynksis  
 antenna
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can be used as a  
 relay or
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis Gs and could  
 buy an N).

 Suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Gerry

 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp? 
 sku=USR5461
 I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole reason that it can
 function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a $20 rebate from USR.
 Luther

 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I second what Tom said ---

 On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't  
 bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight  
 wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.
 Tom
 www.kegkits.com


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread Luther
Though I'm starting to think twice about that.  I may redesign it for E/W with 
the drain end a bit lower 

Luther  

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 Negative.  It will be sloped N/S.  Only gravity flow to allow any vapor to 
 travel up away from clean warm product.  It will also be used to reclaim 
 methanol.

 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:28:58 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you mount it east-west and change the tilt according to the time of year.
 Should work well.
 Gerry

 http://www.gulseth.net/solar/
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:36:29 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a picture of the veg oil heater?
 Gerry
 
 Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same
 shape for my solar veg oil heater.
 Luther








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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread Curt Raymond

If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6 cable across the space. 
Copper is good for 300' (might be 300m I don't remember).
Surely be cheaper than noodling around with wireless. If you really want 
wireless in the house at that point get a wireless router.

When I lived in the apartment the guy next door had broadband and we ran a 
cable through the wall... Worked out great for both of us.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:28:44 -0400
From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Router
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 On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the
 small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used
 stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

 The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
 is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
 quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
 both ends.
 Ed
--
The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats broadcasting the
 signal.
I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I get something set
 up
that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for her.  It would be
 the
signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be worth trying, I
 think, if 
two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
Thanks,
Gerry

   
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread LWB250
Here's the skinny from my buddy with the wireless dish
stuff:

Got some pictures below. First the dish is exactly the
same as the Dish network dish except for the feed
horn. I first took the feed horn apart and removed all
the electronics and then drilled a good size hole down
through the shaft and out the back of the horn to feed
the cable from my new horn. Directions and details on
how to make it are here
http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/

There are also lots of other directions on the net
just search on Homebrew WiFi or Biquad dish WiFi The
granddaddy of all instructions are here 
http://trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm

If you need the parts in a kit go here
http://cgi.ebay.com/Build-a-BiQuad-Booster-WiFi-Antenna-for-Linksys_W0QQitemZ120153511227QQihZ002QQcategoryZ44996QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

If you order one of these then you will have to know
what kind of electronics you will be using as the
antenna connectors are different. You need to hook
something up to the pigtail on the dish as the signal
degrades very quickly. I used a Linksys WET11 which is
a bridge. Then this is hooked up via cat5 to a Linksys
WAP11 which is a plain jane access point. If I were
your friend I would get the WET11 first and if he has
wireless access in his other building he may be able
to make the jump with just that hardware. The WET11 is
a bridge and if you know the name of the access point
you just put it into the WET11's setup and it will
auto-connect and you have a network. You can connect
to the WET11 directly with cat5 and plug into your
computer.

I connected the new feed dish to the old feed dish
with silicon and I will be putting a tupperware dish
around it to protect it from the weather. 

Also notice in the pictures that the dish is mounted
upside down as our shot is horizontal and not up into
space. I then bought a small pigtail to convert the
feedhorn connection to the connection that was on my
airport card. I had to remove the battery and there is
a cover plate that was removed and then I could
disconnect the internal antenna and connect the dish.
I then fired up Macstumbler which will list and speak
the name of the access points that it finds. I then
moved and aimed the dish until I found my access point
that I was going to use  (there were a bunch out there
) and then locked down the dish. 

This is the point I am at now and I will be hooking up
the electronics next year with POE (power over
ethernet) and weather proofing everything. 

Hope this helps but I would start with just the WET11
first as that may all he needs.



   

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread LarryT
I have my cable modem in one room hooked up to my desktop and using a 
wireless router I can hook in with my laptop from the rest of the house. 
Speed was pretty slow though, so I ran a ethernet cable thru the closet and 
bought a 50' ethernet cable - now the speeds are pretty high at 100mbps. 
IIRC, the wireless speed was 1/3 of that.   If I'm going to pay extra for 
cable modem I should get the speed advantage.

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 If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6 cable across the space. 
 Copper is good for 300' (might be 300m I don't remember).
 Surely be cheaper than noodling around with wireless. If you really want 
 wireless in the house at that point get a wireless router.

 When I lived in the apartment the guy next door had broadband and we ran a 
 cable through the wall... Worked out great for both of us.

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:28:44 -0400
 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Router
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the
 small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used
 stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

 The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
 is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
 quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
 both ends.
 Ed
 --
 The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats broadcasting the
 signal.
 I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I get something set
 up
 that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for her.  It would be
 the
 signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be worth trying, I
 think, if
 two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
 Thanks,
 Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread LWB250
Better yet, lay fiber.  It's goshawful cheap any more,
and you can buy pre-terminated cables so it's easy to
connect things up.

Next house I build or remodel is going to have fiber
and CAT5/6 throughout.  it's cheap as wine anymore.

Dan



--- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6
 cable across the space. Copper is good for 300'
 (might be 300m I don't remember).
 Surely be cheaper than noodling around with
 wireless. If you really want wireless in the house
 at that point get a wireless router.
 
 When I lived in the apartment the guy next door had
 broadband and we ran a cable through the wall...
 Worked out great for both of us.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:28:44 -0400
 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Router
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
 charset=iso-8859-1;
  reply-type=original
 
  On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It would be great if you can get the details,
 Dan.  Sounds like the
  small
  DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are
 plentiful in used
  stores but
  the big dishes have gotten scarce.
  Thanks,
  Gerry
 
  The small dish works better than 200' for direct
 line of sight. There
  is a group, that I can't find the article for
 right now, but they got
  quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a
 parabolic dish at
  both ends.
  Ed
 --
 The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats
 broadcasting the
  signal.
 I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I
 get something set
  up
 that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for
 her.  It would be
  the
 signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be
 worth trying, I
  think, if 
 two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
 Thanks,
 Gerry
 

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread billr
Depends on how much of it you drink while you are doingthe install - or how 
much beer 
BillR

Next house I build or remodel is going to have fiber
and CAT5/6 throughout.  it's cheap as wine anymore.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread Gary Hurst
not at radio shack.  i made the mistake of telling my ex wife to pick up 100
feet of cat5e at radio shack while she was a blockbuster next door.  it was
75 bucks!

On 8/26/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Better yet, lay fiber.  It's goshawful cheap any more,
 and you can buy pre-terminated cables so it's easy to
 connect things up.

 Next house I build or remodel is going to have fiber
 and CAT5/6 throughout.  it's cheap as wine anymore.

 Dan



 --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6
  cable across the space. Copper is good for 300'
  (might be 300m I don't remember).
  Surely be cheaper than noodling around with
  wireless. If you really want wireless in the house
  at that point get a wireless router.
 
  When I lived in the apartment the guy next door had
  broadband and we ran a cable through the wall...
  Worked out great for both of us.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:28:44 -0400
  From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Router
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
  charset=iso-8859-1;
   reply-type=original
 
   On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It would be great if you can get the details,
  Dan.  Sounds like the
   small
   DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are
  plentiful in used
   stores but
   the big dishes have gotten scarce.
   Thanks,
   Gerry
  
   The small dish works better than 200' for direct
  line of sight. There
   is a group, that I can't find the article for
  right now, but they got
   quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a
  parabolic dish at
   both ends.
   Ed
  --
  The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats
  broadcasting the
   signal.
  I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I
  get something set
   up
  that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for
  her.  It would be
   the
  signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be
  worth trying, I
   think, if
  two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
  Thanks,
  Gerry
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread archer

This looks like about everything one could need to know in order to hook up 
one these.
Thanks,
Gerry
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From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's the skinny from my buddy with the wireless dish
 stuff:

 Got some pictures below. First the dish is exactly the
 same as the Dish network dish except for the feed
 horn. I first took the feed horn apart and removed all
 the electronics and then drilled a good size hole down
 through the shaft and out the back of the horn to feed
 the cable from my new horn. Directions and details on
 how to make it are heresnip

 http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread archer

I would love to run a cable to her house or put a dish on her house, but she 
is a very impatient person.  She was my wifes best friend so I've helped for 
about ten years with various problems.  As long as something can be fixed in 
one day she's okay, but let it disrupt her daily routine or take two days 
and she's just as likely to dump the whole project.
One daughter sent her a nice Apple computer which she used with a minimal 
amount of bad language and help from the local Apple owners for several 
years.  Then she bought another Apple which gave her nothing but trouble, so 
another daughter, who works for Dell, sent her a Dell comp.  She asked me to 
set it up and get it working, which I did.  Then she wanted me to get it on 
line with a DSL.  I spent about a half day trying to make it work (turned 
out Sprints modem was defective), and told her I'd come back the next day to 
finish it after I read up on a few things and talked to Sprint.  I asked her 
to call me when she got up.  She never did.  I think she just let the new 
computer set for a few days and then called Sprint and raised a big fuss, 
which induced them to come out and get it working. I don't think she could 
handle what would be entailed in running cable to her computer or setting up 
a dish.
She has an interesting history.  Her father was a Phd in physics who worked 
for an oil company and was stationed in Malaysia, which was where she grew 
up.
I think they got out of there just ahead of the invading Japanese in 1941.

Glad to know fiber has come down.  This is the lightning capital of world, 
and the last time it came in the house it travelled out a telephone cable to 
the shop and wiped out a monitor and a couple of other things.  About a 
dozen different items in the house got zapped including the refrigerator.
I'd like to run fiber from the shop to the house some day since it's not 
supposed to be as seriously affected by lightning.
Gerry
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From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 not at radio shack.  i made the mistake of telling my ex wife to pick up 
 100
 feet of cat5e at radio shack while she was a blockbuster next door.  it 
 was
 75 bucks!

 On 8/26/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Better yet, lay fiber.  It's goshawful cheap any more,
 and you can buy pre-terminated cables so it's easy to
 connect things up.
 Next house I build or remodel is going to have fiber
 and CAT5/6 throughout.  it's cheap as wine anymore.
 Dan

 --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6
  cable across the space. Copper is good for 300'
  (might be 300m I don't remember).
  Surely be cheaper than noodling around with
  wireless. If you really want wireless in the house
  at that point get a wireless router.
 
  When I lived in the apartment the guy next door had
  broadband and we ran a cable through the wall...
  Worked out great for both of us.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:28:44 -0400
  From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Router
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  mercedes@okiebenz.com
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   On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It would be great if you can get the details,
  Dan.  Sounds like the
   small
   DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are
  plentiful in used
   stores but
   the big dishes have gotten scarce.
   Thanks,
   Gerry
  
   The small dish works better than 200' for direct
  line of sight. There
   is a group, that I can't find the article for
  right now, but they got
   quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a
  parabolic dish at
   both ends.
   Ed
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  The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats
  broadcasting the
   signal.
  I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I
  get something set
   up
  that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for
  her.  It would be
   the
  signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be
  worth trying, I
   think, if
  two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
  Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-26 Thread Royce Engler
Hursty said.

not at radio shack.  i made the mistake of telling my ex wife to pick up 100
feet of cat5e at radio shack while she was a blockbuster next door.  it was
75 bucks!

On 8/26/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Better yet, lay fiber.  It's goshawful cheap any more,
 and you can buy pre-terminated cables so it's easy to
 connect things up.

 Next house I build or remodel is going to have fiber
 and CAT5/6 throughout.  it's cheap as wine anymore.

 Dan



 --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  If she's really interested in the idea lay a CAT6
  cable across the space. Copper is good for 300'
  (might be 300m I don't remember).


Go over to Lowe's or Homeless Depot and buy a full spool of Cat 5e.  1000
foot spool will run you about $100.  That's about twice what it was last
time I bought it, but the price of copper wire is through the roof.  We have
a broom closet near the front door, so I mounted a wiring cabinet (about $50
from Fry's)and ran wire out to each room from there (called hub and spoke or
homerun layout).  The wiring cabinet has a patch panel for cable coax, one
for telco connnections, and a 110 block for data connections.  Also
mounted the sprinkler system controller and ran the sprinkler valve control
wires to the wiring closet.  Each room in the house gets a 4 pair Cat 5e
cable for network and a 4 pair Cat 5e for telco, and a coax for cable.
Since the telco drop is 4 pair, I connect up two pair for two phone lines in
each room (more on that below) which leaves me with two more pair for
emergencies.  I mounted a Netgear WGT624 WAP in the closet for when I don't
feel like running a drop cable to the nearest network drop.  Since my
daughter, son-in-law, and the 3 grandkids live next door, I ran a Cat 5e
line between the houses, so we all use the same ISP connection  I have an 8
port router plus the Netgear wireless router, and they have a router in
their house as well.  My wife works from home 3 days a week, so she makes
good use of the fast internet connection.

I ran a telco line in from the telco network interface to my wiring closet
and installed a VOIP (Vonage) adapter in the closet so I could run the two
separate telco connections for each room.  I dropped all but basic local
POTS service from Verizon, and we use Vonage for VOIP, and Skype to call our
daughter in the UK.  If all else fails, we've got cell phones.

This is the third house I've wired...I think I got it pretty close what I
wanted this time...Next level is to run wire for stereo and video to all the
rooms...I think I'll pass on that one.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway by the house with a 
laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is about 200 ft behind the 
house where I would like to.
Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a used store and mounting a 
USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect pickup but not sure it the 
reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

If the signal could be relayed from the house to the shop some way (200'), 
the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work with a Lynksis antenna 
in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can be used as a relay or 
if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis Gs and could buy an N).

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Gerry

---
- Original Message - 
From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
 I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole reason that it can 
 function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a $20 rebate from USR.
 Luther

 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I second what Tom said ---

 On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
A buddy of mine at work has a summer home on Grand
Traverse Bay in Michigan.  The closest access point is
the public library, a straight shot across nearly 3/8
of a mile of open water.  He used a satellite dish and
a Linksys repeater to get a signal.  Says it works
great, and the best part is that it's free, since the
library offers free public access to it's patrons.

If you want details I can get them from him.

Let me know...

Dan


--- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway
 by the house with a 
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is
 about 200 ft behind the 
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a
 used store and mounting a 
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect
 pickup but not sure it the 
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.
 
 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the
 shop some way (200'), 
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work
 with a Lynksis antenna 
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can
 be used as a relay or 
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis
 Gs and could buy an N).
 
 Suggestions?
 
 Thanks,
 Gerry
 
 ---
 - Original Message - 
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 

http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
  I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole
 reason that it can 
  function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a
 $20 rebate from USR.
  Luther
 
  On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I second what Tom said ---
 
  On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl
 you'll get will be
  based on users opinion of the setup menu.
 
  I'm assuming you will be connecting to the
 internet? Then don't bother
  with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get
 a straight wireless G
  router (they all make them).  The reason is that
 even wireless G is
  faster than an internet connection.
  Tom
  www.kegkits.com
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small 
DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but 
the big dishes have gotten scarce.
Thanks,
Gerry
-
- Original Message - 
From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A buddy of mine at work has a summer home on Grand
 Traverse Bay in Michigan.  The closest access point is
 the public library, a straight shot across nearly 3/8
 of a mile of open water.  He used a satellite dish and
 a Linksys repeater to get a signal.  Says it works
 great, and the best part is that it's free, since the
 library offers free public access to it's patrons.

 If you want details I can get them from him.

 Let me know...

 Dan

 --- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway
 by the house with a
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is
 about 200 ft behind the
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a
 used store and mounting a
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect
 pickup but not sure it the
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the
 shop some way (200'),
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work
 with a Lynksis antenna
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can
 be used as a relay or
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis
 Gs and could buy an N).

 Suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Gerry

 ---
 - Original Message - 
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
  I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole
 reason that it can
  function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a
 $20 rebate from USR.
  Luther
 
  On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I second what Tom said ---

  On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl
 you'll get will be
  based on users opinion of the setup menu.

  I'm assuming you will be connecting to the
 internet? Then don't bother
  with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get
 a straight wireless G
  router (they all make them).  The reason is that
 even wireless G is
  faster than an internet connection.
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
I dropped him a note.  I'll post his info here when I
get it.

Dan


--- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan. 
 Sounds like the small 
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are
 plentiful in used stores but 
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

-
 - Original Message - 
 From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 A buddy of mine at work has a summer home on Grand
  Traverse Bay in Michigan.  The closest access
 point is
  the public library, a straight shot across nearly
 3/8
  of a mile of open water.  He used a satellite dish
 and
  a Linksys repeater to get a signal.  Says it works
  great, and the best part is that it's free, since
 the
  library offers free public access to it's patrons.
 
  If you want details I can get them from him.
 
  Let me know...
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Thanks, Dan.
Gerry
-
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From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I dropped him a note.  I'll post his info here when I
 get it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Thanks, Dan.
Gerry
-
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From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I dropped him a note.  I'll post his info here when I
 get it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Thanks, Dan.
Gerry
-
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From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I dropped him a note.  I'll post his info here when I
 get it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
You will need a wireless bridge.  Then, for the connection to your shop, 
connect another wireless router to the bridge.  You will have to configure 
the bridge with a computer attached to it, then add the second router.  There 
are standalone bridges, or routers with bridge capabilities (USR only?).
If you like Linksys, 
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1118334712699pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=1269977241L11

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:52:01 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway by the house with a
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is about 200 ft behind the
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a used store and mounting a
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect pickup but not sure it the
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the shop some way (200'),
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work with a Lynksis antenna
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can be used as a relay or
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis Gs and could buy an N).

 Suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Gerry

 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
 I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole reason that it can
 function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a $20 rebate from USR.
 Luther





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
Bridge mode is used to connect two isolated networks wirelessly. If this 
feature is enabled, wireless clients will not be able to connect to the 
Wireless MAXg Router. Bridging is used if you are trying to connect two 
networks or two groups of wired clients, each with its own Wireless MAXg Router 
or wireless access point, that cannot be conveniently connected using Ethernet 
cabling. An example of this type of situation would be two homes that want to 
share network resources without running cabling through their yards.

quoted from the manual for the 5461 I just ordered.



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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Mitch Haley


archer wrote:
 
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.

What about the mid-size dishes?
I've got a Channel Master C-band dish (it was one way satellite, so
no transmitter with it) that's about a meter in diameter. Anybody want
it bad enough to pay shipping?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Allan Streib
I use B because it works more reliably with various OSes and is fast
enough for me (i.e. faster than my broadband connection).

Allan

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 do you know why i'm on B though?  it's something that i've thought of asking
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 Could be worse ... I am currently on wire (6 systems).

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
The Apple AirPort has done bridging since it was
introduced.  You could also use an AirPort Express to
do it, too.

MacDan


--- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You will need a wireless bridge.  Then, for the
 connection to your shop, connect another wireless
 router to the bridge.  You will have to configure
 the bridge with a computer attached to it, then add
 the second router.  There are standalone bridges, or
 routers with bridge capabilities (USR only?).
 If you like Linksys,

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1118334712699pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=1269977241L11
 
 Luther
 
 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:52:01 -0500, archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the
 driveway by the house with a
  laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is
 about 200 ft behind the
  house where I would like to.
  Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a
 used store and mounting a
  USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect
 pickup but not sure it the
  reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.
 
  If the signal could be relayed from the house to
 the shop some way (200'),
  the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would
 work with a Lynksis antenna
  in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub
 can be used as a relay or
  if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two
 Lynksis Gs and could buy an N).
 
  Suggestions?
 
  Thanks,
  Gerry
 
  ---
  - Original Message -
  From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 

http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
  I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole
 reason that it can
  function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a
 $20 rebate from USR.
  Luther
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:17:11 -0500, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 archer wrote:

 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.

 What about the mid-size dishes?
 I've got a Channel Master C-band dish (it was one way satellite, so
 no transmitter with it) that's about a meter in diameter. Anybody want
 it bad enough to pay shipping?

 Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
Sure, if you want to pay the premium that Apple products command.

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:44:18 -0500, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Apple AirPort has done bridging since it was
 introduced.  You could also use an AirPort Express to
 do it, too.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Thanks, Luther, that looks like a good possibility if the dish doesn't pick 
up the signal from the shop.
Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 You will need a wireless bridge.  Then, for the connection to your shop, 
 connect another wireless router to the bridge.  You will have to 
 configure the bridge with a computer attached to it, then add the second 
 router.  There are standalone bridges, or routers with bridge capabilities 
 (USR only?).
 If you like Linksys, 
 http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1118334712699pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=1269977241L11
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:52:01 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the driveway by the house with a
 laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is about 200 ft behind the
 house where I would like to.
 Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a used store and mounting 
 a
 USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect pickup but not sure it 
 the
 reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.

 If the signal could be relayed from the house to the shop some way 
 (200'),
 the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would work with a Lynksis 
 antenna
 in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub can be used as a relay 
 or
 if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two Lynksis Gs and could buy an 
 N).
 Suggestions?
 Thanks,
 Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Gary Hurst
not quite.  here is the logic.

i presume i have a finite amount of signal from comcast.  i want to run
many computers on that signal, basically having a computer in every room of
the house.  if i used a G system, each computer would suck more signal than
if i use a B system.  so to be able to add more computers without
overloading the system, i prefer B to G

now this make perfect sense to me, but i have a suspicion that there is a
comical stupidity with my thinking, so i've never shared it with any of you.

On 8/24/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For the same reason I am running Pentium II and Pentium III computers in
 my
 house -- you haven't found an economic reason yet to upgrade, because what
 you have works for you?

 On 8/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  do you know why i'm on B though?  it's something that i've thought of
  asking
  you guys now for 2 years, but have always been embarrased to.
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Airport Express looks like it plugs into a 110v socket?

- Original Message - 
From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The Apple AirPort has done bridging since it was
 introduced.  You could also use an AirPort Express to
 do it, too.
 MacDan

 --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You will need a wireless bridge.  Then, for the
 connection to your shop, connect another wireless
 router to the bridge.  You will have to configure
 the bridge with a computer attached to it, then add
 the second router.  There are standalone bridges, or
 routers with bridge capabilities (USR only?).
 If you like Linksys,
 http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1118334712699pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=1269977241L11
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:52:01 -0500, archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the
 driveway by the house with a
  laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which is
 about 200 ft behind the
  house where I would like to.
  Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from a
 used store and mounting a
  USB Linksys remote in it in place of the TVDirect
 pickup but not sure it the
  reflector would be big enough for a weak signal.
  If the signal could be relayed from the house to
 the shop some way (200'),
  the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would
 work with a Lynksis antenna
  in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis hub
 can be used as a relay or
  if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two
 Lynksis Gs and could buy an N).
  Suggestions?
  Thanks,
  Gerry
 
  ---
  - Original Message -
  From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
  I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole
 reason that it can
  function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has a
 $20 rebate from USR.
  Luther
 Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Clever!  Is that a special curve?  Looks like a plywood base plus aluminum 
valley reflector?
Gerry
---
- Original Message - 
From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html
 Luther


 archer wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the 
 small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores 
 but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.

 What about the mid-size dishes?
 I've got a Channel Master C-band dish (it was one way satellite, so
 no transmitter with it) that's about a meter in diameter. Anybody want
 it bad enough to pay shipping?
 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same shape 
for my solar veg oil heater.

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:10:27 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Clever!  Is that a special curve?  Looks like a plywood base plus aluminum
 valley reflector?
 Gerry
 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html
 Luther






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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
Sure does.  It also has Ethernet , USB and audio
jacks.

Dan



--- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Airport Express looks like it plugs into a 110v
 socket?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  The Apple AirPort has done bridging since it was
  introduced.  You could also use an AirPort Express
 to
  do it, too.
  MacDan
 
  --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You will need a wireless bridge.  Then, for the
  connection to your shop, connect another wireless
  router to the bridge.  You will have to
 configure
  the bridge with a computer attached to it, then
 add
  the second router.  There are standalone bridges,
 or
  routers with bridge capabilities (USR only?).
  If you like Linksys,
 

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1118334712699pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapperlid=1269977241L11
  Luther
 
  On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:52:01 -0500, archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can pickup my neighbors broadband from the
  driveway by the house with a
   laptop, but can't pick it up by the shop which
 is
  about 200 ft behind the
   house where I would like to.
   Thought about buying a TVDirect reflector from
 a
  used store and mounting a
   USB Linksys remote in it in place of the
 TVDirect
  pickup but not sure it the
   reflector would be big enough for a weak
 signal.
   If the signal could be relayed from the house
 to
  the shop some way (200'),
   the TVDirect dish, mounted on the house, would
  work with a Lynksis antenna
   in it I think, but I don't know if a Lynksis
 hub
  can be used as a relay or
   if it would work at 200' distance. (Have two
  Lynksis Gs and could buy an N).
   Suggestions?
   Thanks,
   Gerry
  
   ---
   - Original Message -
   From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
   I just snagged one of these tonight for the
 sole
  reason that it can
   function as a wireless bridge.  Currently has
 a
  $20 rebate from USR.
   Luther
  Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
Got a picture of the veg oil heater?
Gerry

 Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same 
 shape for my solar veg oil heater.
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:10:27 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Clever!  Is that a special curve?  Looks like a plywood base plus 
 aluminum
 valley reflector?
 Gerry
 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html
 Luther


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
The computers don't suck signals or bandwidth, for
that matter.  They only create traffic on the network
when there is input or output on the network port. 
There are packets that are used to ping the access
point from time to time, but they are pretty
insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Your Comcast connection is probably limited in
bandwidth well below what your access point or router
can handle, so wireless bandwidth is not an issue.

If you had a house full of computers and people were
gaming online, that would be one thing, but for 90% of
the typical consumer use, you're not going to know the
difference if there was one or 15 computers on your
wireless system.

I run both a B and G system at home, only because I
have a few machines that are B only.  The drawback of
running a G system is that if you have an A or B
client, speeds drop down to that level for everyone. 
Quite honestly, I can't tell a difference.

MacPoos


--- Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 not quite.  here is the logic.
 
 i presume i have a finite amount of signal from
 comcast.  i want to run
 many computers on that signal, basically having a
 computer in every room of
 the house.  if i used a G system, each computer
 would suck more signal than
 if i use a B system.  so to be able to add more
 computers without
 overloading the system, i prefer B to G
 
 now this make perfect sense to me, but i have a
 suspicion that there is a
 comical stupidity with my thinking, so i've never
 shared it with any of you.
 
 On 8/24/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  For the same reason I am running Pentium II and
 Pentium III computers in
  my
  house -- you haven't found an economic reason yet
 to upgrade, because what
  you have works for you?
 
  On 8/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   do you know why i'm on B though?  it's something
 that i've thought of
   asking
   you guys now for 2 years, but have always been
 embarrased to.
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread LWB250
True, but I've had Linksys, Motorola, Cisco and others
and they were a PITA when it came to configuring and
setup.  (I'm a net admin at work, so I've got a
*little* bit of experience doing this.)  Apple's stuff
is a breeze to set up and configure compared to them.

Right now you can buy refurb AirPorts for pennies on
the dollar in the Apple Store online.

MacDan

--- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sure, if you want to pay the premium that Apple
 products command.
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
http://www.gulseth.net/solar/

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:36:29 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Got a picture of the veg oil heater?
 Gerry
 
 Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same
 shape for my solar veg oil heater.
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:10:27 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Clever!  Is that a special curve?  Looks like a plywood base plus
 aluminum
 valley reflector?
 Gerry
 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html
 Luther





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Jim Cathey
 i presume i have a finite amount of signal from comcast.  i want to 
 run
 many computers on that signal, basically having a computer in every 
 room of
 the house.  if i used a G system, each computer would suck more signal 
 than
 if i use a B system.  so to be able to add more computers without
 overloading the system, i prefer B to G

Faulty logic.  If B or G is faster than what you get at your
upstream feed (almost a certitude, I'd say) then you won't see
any real difference due to their speed capabilities.  Any single
node could suck the feed dry, in other words.

Choose based on different reasons.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Ed Booher
On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
both ends.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
 On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

 The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
 is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
 quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
 both ends.
 Ed
--
The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats broadcasting the signal.
I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I get something set up
that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for her.  It would be the
signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be worth trying, I think, if 
two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
 On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

 The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
 is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
 quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
 both ends.
 Ed
--
The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats broadcasting the signal.
I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I get something set up
that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for her.  It would be the
signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be worth trying, I think, if 
two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
So you mount it east-west and change the tilt according to the time of year.
Should work well.
Gerry

 http://www.gulseth.net/solar/
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:36:29 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a picture of the veg oil heater?
 Gerry
 
 Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same
 shape for my solar veg oil heater.
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:10:27 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Clever!  Is that a special curve?  Looks like a plywood base plus
 aluminum
 valley reflector?
 Gerry
 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here's what I made.  http://www.gulseth.net/wifi/index.html
 Luther


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread archer
 On 8/25/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if you can get the details, Dan.  Sounds like the small
 DirectTV dish might work at 200'.  Those are plentiful in used stores but
 the big dishes have gotten scarce.
 Thanks,
 Gerry

 The small dish works better than 200' for direct line of sight. There
 is a group, that I can't find the article for right now, but they got
 quite a few miles out it. Though they did have a parabolic dish at
 both ends.
 Ed
--
The lady next door is an old widow with a hub thats broadcasting the signal.
I just happened to pick it up with the laptop.  If I get something set up
that works, I'll pay half of her broadband bill for her.  It would be the
signal from her hub to my dish at 200'.  Would be worth trying, I think, if 
two dishes can connect at several miles IMO.
Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-25 Thread Luther
Negative.  It will be sloped N/S.  Only gravity flow to allow any vapor to 
travel up away from clean warm product.  It will also be used to reclaim 
methanol.

Luther

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:28:58 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you mount it east-west and change the tilt according to the time of year.
 Should work well.
 Gerry

 http://www.gulseth.net/solar/
 Luther

 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:36:29 -0500, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a picture of the veg oil heater?
 Gerry
 
 Parabolic shape with the antenna at the focal point.  I'm using the same
 shape for my solar veg oil heater.
 Luther





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread OK Don
I second what Tom said ---

On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.

 Tom
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
Bought this last night for $18 and shipping. Retails for $49.99.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=140148809475ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:ITih=004

On 8/24/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I second what Tom said ---

 On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
  based on users opinion of the setup menu.
 
  I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
  with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
  router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
  faster than an internet connection.
 
  Tom
  www.kegkits.com
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm still on B

On 8/22/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The N speed is not yet a standard and will not become one for at
 least a year.  One could get a router that is N speed, but should
 also purchase the same brand N cards for use in laptop.  Keeps things
 flowing well since the compatibility in by no mean guaranteed else wise


 On 22 Aug 2007, at 12:17, Rich Thomas wrote:

  You want wireless or wired?  It doesn't really matter I guess, I use
  LinkSys stuff which seems to be fine, Belkin makes stuff (I have read
  where they are a bit easier to set up, but the LinkSys is not
  hard), and
  some other kinds.  They also come in various speeds (designated by
  letters, N is now the fastest, G was before) but that is more for
  inside
  your home network as your speed will be limited by your net cnxn.  You
  will probably need a DSL or cable modem too, into which the router
  plugs.  The slower routers are cheap, I have seen some new for $25,
  modems about that too.  The faster routers are up to $100.  You might
  just check around to see if you can find someone's used one if they
  have
  upgraded to a faster one.
 
  --R
 
  Peter T. Arnold wrote:
  I need to start using a laptop.
 
  Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire stuff.
 
  Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home use (P/C(s) to
  laptop}.
 
  I use WINDOZ and Broadband.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
Could be worse ... I am currently on wire (6 systems).

On 8/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm still on B





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Gary Hurst
do you know why i'm on B though?  it's something that i've thought of asking
you guys now for 2 years, but have always been embarrased to.

On 8/24/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Could be worse ... I am currently on wire (6 systems).

 On 8/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  i'm still on B
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Wonko the Sane
For the same reason I am running Pentium II and Pentium III computers in my
house -- you haven't found an economic reason yet to upgrade, because what
you have works for you?

On 8/24/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 do you know why i'm on B though?  it's something that i've thought of
 asking
 you guys now for 2 years, but have always been embarrased to.





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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-24 Thread Luther
http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461
I just snagged one of these tonight for the sole reason that it can function as 
a wireless bridge.  Currently has a $20 rebate from USR.

Luther

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:46:23 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I second what Tom said ---

 On 8/22/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-22 Thread Tom Hargrave
Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
based on users opinion of the setup menu. 

I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
faster than an internet connection.

Tom
www.kegkits.com

Original Message
From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08/22/07 01:36 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] O/T  Router
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I need to start using a laptop.

Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire stuff.

Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home use (P/C(s) to
laptop}.

I use WINDOZ and Broadband.


--

Regards,

Peter T. Arnold

2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL  280KMI  Inherited by Grandson
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-22 Thread Rich Thomas
You want wireless or wired?  It doesn't really matter I guess, I use 
LinkSys stuff which seems to be fine, Belkin makes stuff (I have read 
where they are a bit easier to set up, but the LinkSys is not hard), and 
some other kinds.  They also come in various speeds (designated by 
letters, N is now the fastest, G was before) but that is more for inside 
your home network as your speed will be limited by your net cnxn.  You 
will probably need a DSL or cable modem too, into which the router 
plugs.  The slower routers are cheap, I have seen some new for $25, 
modems about that too.  The faster routers are up to $100.  You might 
just check around to see if you can find someone's used one if they have 
upgraded to a faster one.

--R

Peter T. Arnold wrote:
 I need to start using a laptop.

 Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire stuff.

 Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home use (P/C(s) to
 laptop}.

 I use WINDOZ and Broadband.


 --

 Regards,

 Peter T. Arnold

 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems!
 1987 300SDL  280KMI  Inherited by Grandson
 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
 Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-22 Thread LWB250
Apple Airport Extreme.

Yeah, yeah, I know - it's an Apple product.  However,
it's set up to work with either Mac or Windoze
platforms, and does it quite well.

Probably one of the nicest features it has is the
capability for a shared printer and network attached
storage, or NAS.  That's any external USB hard drive
you can plug in to the router and all your users have
access to it.  That means you can stick common files,
like music, pictures, docs, etc. on the NAS and anyone
who has rights to the access point can get to them. 
Nice.

MacDan

--- Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to start using a laptop.
 
 Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire
 stuff.
 
 Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home
 use (P/C(s) to
 laptop}.
 
 I use WINDOZ and Broadband.
 



   

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-22 Thread Redghost
I have a great little hardware firewall up on eBay.  Used for small  
business applications and retails for $500.  I am sure you can bid  
less than that.  Should provide a bit more security than M$ has in  
mind for you.

http://tinyurl.com/2vy43d

On 22 Aug 2007, at 11:45, Tom Hargrave wrote:

 Any of the major brands work well  the feedbacl you'll get will be
 based on users opinion of the setup menu.

 I'm assuming you will be connecting to the internet? Then don't bother
 with anyone's 2X or Speedboost technology - get a straight wireless G
 router (they all make them).  The reason is that even wireless G is
 faster than an internet connection.

 Tom
 www.kegkits.com

 Original Message
 From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 08/22/07 01:36 PM
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] O/T  Router
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 I need to start using a laptop.

 Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire stuff.

 Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home use (P/C(s) to
 laptop}.

 I use WINDOZ and Broadband.


 --

 Regards,

 Peter T. Arnold





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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Router

2007-08-22 Thread Redghost
The N speed is not yet a standard and will not become one for at  
least a year.  One could get a router that is N speed, but should  
also purchase the same brand N cards for use in laptop.  Keeps things  
flowing well since the compatibility in by no mean guaranteed else wise


On 22 Aug 2007, at 12:17, Rich Thomas wrote:

 You want wireless or wired?  It doesn't really matter I guess, I use
 LinkSys stuff which seems to be fine, Belkin makes stuff (I have read
 where they are a bit easier to set up, but the LinkSys is not  
 hard), and
 some other kinds.  They also come in various speeds (designated by
 letters, N is now the fastest, G was before) but that is more for  
 inside
 your home network as your speed will be limited by your net cnxn.  You
 will probably need a DSL or cable modem too, into which the router
 plugs.  The slower routers are cheap, I have seen some new for $25,
 modems about that too.  The faster routers are up to $100.  You might
 just check around to see if you can find someone's used one if they  
 have
 upgraded to a faster one.

 --R

 Peter T. Arnold wrote:
 I need to start using a laptop.

 Time for me to learn about this newfangled WiFire stuff.

 Could someone aim me at a good Router for my home use (P/C(s) to
 laptop}.

 I use WINDOZ and Broadband.


 --

 Regards,

 Peter T. Arnold

 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems!
 1987 300SDL  280KMI  Inherited by Grandson
 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
 Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car  
 that is!

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