Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
yea, supposedly, but I usually end up flipping those as well OK Don wrote: There are some that you don't flip??? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have any that are good, I keep them for spares. That is, unless I am working on a car I am going to flip or something, then I may just use the spares I have to replace dead ones. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I hear you regarding that relay position - it's very hard to get good access on my 124 as well. 'Twas not I suggesting the Gearwrench - that thanks goes to ? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. So I CHANGED THE FUSE (do you know the fuse is permanently charged with 12V, and if they had moved the relay about a half inch over a screwdriver would go on that inner screw really really easy, and if you use a little ratchet driver with a philips bit you wouldn't make big sparks and try to weld it to the car? You knew that right? Maybe on next year's 126 you can make that minor change) and it started up nicely. The old fuse looked fine, tested fine, but there you go. Maybe a few sparks cleared out the tubes or something. That plug was a bugger to get out, more or less, the gearwrench helped a lot though I dropped it twice -- I have a nice cut on my left hand from that injector connector bracket that was placed Just So, to catch the back of your hand when you change the back glow plug. I guess those German engineers are getting back at us. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Regarding the numbering, I thought that the cylinders and the numbers in the glow plug relay connection matched up exactly (i.e. #1 in the connector = glow plug for cylinder forward-most on the engine). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines) in the way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is actually #1 according to the numbers on the relay. --R Tim C wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. Forgive me for stupid, but I didn't see a Gearwrench that I thought would help. The pivoting head one maybe? I need to upgrade my GPs soon as the snow dries out and I need all the help I can get, #5 looks way back there. :/ Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I don't know about the numbers, I remember thinking it was #5 then when I tested the wires it looked like the back one was #1 according to the numbers on the relay and plug, not that it matters to anything. On the gearwrench the open part of the little round part the nut fits into is one-way, so that the handle of the wrench tilts away from the nut and whatever it is holding. Actually kinda nice for putting stuff in tight spaces, I put a little bit of masking tape on the nut in the wrench and was able to get it on the glow plug without dropping it a 3rd time. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Regarding the numbering, I thought that the cylinders and the numbers in the glow plug relay connection matched up exactly (i.e. #1 in the connector = glow plug for cylinder forward-most on the engine). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines) in the way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is actually #1 according to the numbers on the relay. --R Tim C wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. Forgive me for stupid, but I didn't see a Gearwrench that I thought would help. The pivoting head one maybe? I need to upgrade my GPs soon as the snow dries out and I need all the help I can get, #5 looks way back there. :/ Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
There are some that you don't flip??? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have any that are good, I keep them for spares. That is, unless I am working on a car I am going to flip or something, then I may just use the spares I have to replace dead ones. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse
('don't know if VW's also use the 80A one).
A quick check of buymbparts.biz shows a $2.40 list and a $1.12 price on the 80A.
Buyeuroparts.com shows it for $1.11. If the dealer is going to want $4 and a
week's time, who needs MBZ dealers? VW dealers might be worth checking too, as
Wilton mentions. Lots of old VWs out there with glow systems that are probably
very similar to a late 240d.
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Actually www.buyMBparts.biz has it for $1.03, PN 0005450334
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse
('don't know if VW's also use the 80A one).
A quick check of buymbparts.biz shows a $2.40 list and a $1.12 price on
the 80A.
Buyeuroparts.com shows it for $1.11. If the dealer is going to want $4 and
a week's time, who needs MBZ dealers? VW dealers might be worth checking
too, as Wilton mentions. Lots of old VWs out there with glow systems that
are probably very similar to a late 240d.
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Yes, Bosch is Bosch.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse
('don't know if VW's also use the 80A one).
A quick check of buymbparts.biz shows a $2.40 list and a $1.12 price on
the 80A.
Buyeuroparts.com shows it for $1.11. If the dealer is going to want $4 and
a week's time, who needs MBZ dealers? VW dealers might be worth checking
too, as Wilton mentions. Lots of old VWs out there with glow systems that
are probably very similar to a late 240d.
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. So I CHANGED THE FUSE (do you know the fuse is permanently charged with 12V, and if they had moved the relay about a half inch over a screwdriver would go on that inner screw really really easy, and if you use a little ratchet driver with a philips bit you wouldn't make big sparks and try to weld it to the car? You knew that right? Maybe on next year's 126 you can make that minor change) and it started up nicely. The old fuse looked fine, tested fine, but there you go. Maybe a few sparks cleared out the tubes or something. That plug was a bugger to get out, more or less, the gearwrench helped a lot though I dropped it twice -- I have a nice cut on my left hand from that injector connector bracket that was placed Just So, to catch the back of your hand when you change the back glow plug. I guess those German engineers are getting back at us. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
first and only. John Reames wrote: First or only? -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Aaah... A sacrifice of the flesh. Nothing else is quite as effective at satisfying whatever gremlins are causing mechanical woes... There's this stuff called duct tape you can wrap around sharp things like injection pipe clamps... And masking tape for the edges of the holes in panels (doors) that you might reach through... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 2, 2010, at 17:56, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. So I CHANGED THE FUSE (do you know the fuse is permanently charged with 12V, and if they had moved the relay about a half inch over a screwdriver would go on that inner screw really really easy, and if you use a little ratchet driver with a philips bit you wouldn't make big sparks and try to weld it to the car? You knew that right? Maybe on next year's 126 you can make that minor change) and it started up nicely. The old fuse looked fine, tested fine, but there you go. Maybe a few sparks cleared out the tubes or something. That plug was a bugger to get out, more or less, the gearwrench helped a lot though I dropped it twice -- I have a nice cut on my left hand from that injector connector bracket that was placed Just So, to catch the back of your hand when you change the back glow plug. I guess those German engineers are getting back at us. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. Forgive me for stupid, but I didn't see a Gearwrench that I thought would help. The pivoting head one maybe? I need to upgrade my GPs soon as the snow dries out and I need all the help I can get, #5 looks way back there. :/ Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
VWs through the 80s at least used the same 80 A strip for GP, and I
think they used the 30A strip elsewhere. That used to be the
solution I used in the pre-internet days. They all the free-standing
VW dealers closed and the honda /toada/ whatever dealer magically
became a vw dealer 50 or 100 miles further. I have mot been
back well once 10 or so years ago I want to one to investigate
new VW diesels. After 15 min or so if trying to get the attention of
some sales weasel, I left. I suspect volvo Diesels had the same
fuse, and I think the Escort Diesel had the same fuse. (good luck
there!)
Thanks Wilton, I may try that. I think there's a VW dealer much closer
to home than the MB dealer.
-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse
('don't know if VW's also use the 80A one).
Wilton
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From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Used the part number search function to see which cars in North
America
use this 80A strip fuse, and none were 124's. 116, 123, 126 all
showed
up. I think it's a mistake in the online EPC. Anyone still use the
disk version and willing to check on the pre-glow system strip fuse,
should be part number 000 545 03 34?
-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there
different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later
internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need
to go back to EPC school?
I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it.
The fused relay was probably superseded by a later one that isn't
fused,
and that's probably the only one you can get now. (New.)
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:23 -0600, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: VWs through the 80s at least used the same 80 A strip for GP, and I think they used the 30A strip elsewhere. That used to be the solution I used in the pre-internet days. They all the free-standing VW dealers closed and the honda /toada/ whatever dealer magically became a vw dealer 50 or 100 miles further. The opposite happened here... the stand-alone VW/Audi dealer took on Subaru and Nissan. Actually the ownership change might have been the other way around, but the location selling VWs didn't change. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines) in the way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is actually #1 according to the numbers on the relay. --R Tim C wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start. Forgive me for stupid, but I didn't see a Gearwrench that I thought would help. The pivoting head one maybe? I need to upgrade my GPs soon as the snow dries out and I need all the help I can get, #5 looks way back there. :/ Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines) in the way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is actually #1 according to the numbers on the relay. Great! Always interested in new tools, and this one even has a purpose. :) Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Well the local dealer let me down. Called first, parts guy took forever to look it up and then told me it was a 30 amp fuse. I was already in my car after work and so I decided to make the trip to see if I could look over his shoulder to help look up the part number, and wasted an hour. Used the PC in their customer lobby to reach the on-line EPC and found the part number for the 80 amp strip fuse; parts guy plugged that into their inventory and... they don't stock it! Special order, $4+, come back in a couple days. I thanked him for his time and declined to purchase the 30 amp fuse for $4 that according to the shop foreman was the right fuse. Guess I'll have to order it on-line. The odd part is that I couldn't find the part number using my 124 wagon VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need to go back to EPC school? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The fuses are actually fairly cheap at the dealer, or were at the Houston dealer a couple of years ago (after I explained to the guy what they were). --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Max wrote: I respected Marshall because he'd argue passionately but never got personal, and never seemed to grow impatient. That is an excellent observation! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need to go back to EPC school? I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it. The fused relay was probably superseded by a later one that isn't fused, and that's probably the only one you can get now. (New.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Used the part number search function to see which cars in North America use this 80A strip fuse, and none were 124's. 116, 123, 126 all showed up. I think it's a mistake in the online EPC. Anyone still use the disk version and willing to check on the pre-glow system strip fuse, should be part number 000 545 03 34? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need to go back to EPC school? I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it. The fused relay was probably superseded by a later one that isn't fused, and that's probably the only one you can get now. (New.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been 30A
blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I was
passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of old
fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse ('don't
know if VW's also use the 80A one).
Wilton
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From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Used the part number search function to see which cars in North America
use this 80A strip fuse, and none were 124's. 116, 123, 126 all showed
up. I think it's a mistake in the online EPC. Anyone still use the
disk version and willing to check on the pre-glow system strip fuse,
should be part number 000 545 03 34?
-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there
different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later
internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need
to go back to EPC school?
I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it.
The fused relay was probably superseded by a later one that isn't fused,
and that's probably the only one you can get now. (New.)
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Thanks Wilton, I may try that. I think there's a VW dealer much closer
to home than the MB dealer.
-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact Bosch
replacement for very reasonable price. Check VW dealer for the fuse
('don't know if VW's also use the 80A one).
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Used the part number search function to see which cars in North
America
use this 80A strip fuse, and none were 124's. 116, 123, 126 all
showed
up. I think it's a mistake in the online EPC. Anyone still use the
disk version and willing to check on the pre-glow system strip fuse,
should be part number 000 545 03 34?
-Max
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there
different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later
internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need
to go back to EPC school?
I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it.
The fused relay was probably superseded by a later one that isn't
fused,
and that's probably the only one you can get now. (New.)
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! I'd also suggested doing them proactively, like every 5 years, which Marshall thought was crazy. When I got my 240D back my friend suggested it had gotten challenging to start when it was cold, well every single glow plug was dead... They were 4 years old at that point but while he owned the car it was largely city driven. I drive mostly highway so I suspect the plugs would last much longer for me. -Curt Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:39:02 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? Message-ID: bc94d7931001311439l5b430215re0fefa24edff...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs, I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor and just do them all! I have bad memories of working at midnight, in the street in front of a friends house, with temps in the teens just a few days after replacing a single plug. I paid $800 for that car and wasn't into putting much more into it, but very often trying to save money just results in being stranded. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I am with Marshall on this. I have always replaced as needed. (one at a time.) I have never seen any indication that a set of plgs buen out at the same time. Yes, I have done one, then had another fail, but that is pretty rare. The exception to me is the OM606. From what I have heard, if I bought one, I would remove all the GPs and coat them with neverseez liberally. I might be inclined to put in a new set, then save the old ones for one by one replacement if needed. That is from many years with OM621, 616 and 603 engines. along with VW and Frod Diesels. I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! I'd also suggested doing them proactively, like every 5 years, which Marshall thought was crazy. When I got my 240D back my friend suggested it had gotten challenging to start when it was cold, well every single glow plug was dead... They were 4 years old at that point but while he owned the car it was largely city driven. I drive mostly highway so I suspect the plugs would last much longer for me. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. I'm glad I'm not the only one! Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Well, free advice, free mail list, and all that... --R Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. I'm glad I'm not the only one! Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. The part I had trouble with was probably Jaime's problem too. The engineers who designed the engine knew more than we do, so if they could only get 1xx horsepower, then that's all that can safely be gotten from the engine. My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617 prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617 prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run? Because your PISTONS will MELT!! Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I disagreed with Marshall's advice/opinions at times, and I am sure there are archives that show this, but he sure was a wealth of knowledge. His facts were facts and his opinions were good most of the time. You would not go far wrong following his advice. It might sometimes cost you a little more than some of my ideas/experience/methods. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. The part I had trouble with was probably Jaime's problem too. The engineers who designed the engine knew more than we do, so if they could only get 1xx horsepower, then that's all that can safely be gotten from the engine. My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617 prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Allan Streib wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617 prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run? Because your PISTONS will MELT!! There you go. I think you even got the capitalization correct. I believe Jaime started the Dieseltech list to have a place to discuss mods without getting that reply in every thread. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions. The question as to when to change glow plugs I think boils down to how many times you've done it in the dark and cold. For me twice is PLENTY. In fact that reminds me, I should check how long its been for my 190D. May have my Indy change them while the engine is out... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:49:46 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? Message-ID: bc94d7931002010649u3448f70di1341a572c5025...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. I'm glad I'm not the only one! Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had nothing to talk about! :-) http://images.jaimekop.com/DieselTech/ Thanks for the reminder, Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617 prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run? Because your PISTONS will MELT!! There you go. I think you even got the capitalization correct. I believe Jaime started the Dieseltech list to have a place to discuss mods without getting that reply in every thread. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Curt wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions. I did the same thing on a very few things that I disagreed with him on. I thought (and still think) that he was wrong about MB transmissions. He used to say that the life of a typical MB transmission was approximately 150,000 miles. I disagreed with him. In my experience with 6 Mercedes I have never had transmission problems. That includes cars that ALL had over 150,000 miles. 3-4 of them had over 300,000 miles. I am a big believer in servicing the transmission every 30,000 miles OR AT LEAST every 50,000 miles. With all of my cars, I did that and NEVER had transmission problems. But, for 90% of what he talked about, I would not disagree because I felt like he knew what he was talking about and had the data to back it up. As it relates to the subject of this email, I replaced one of the glow plugs on my old 123 diesel because one was WAY out of range. Then, about six months later, it wasn't starting very well in the winter. I went ahead and replaced the other four and it started much better. Of course, this car is the exception to every rule, because it had 450,000 miles on it and I have no idea how long the GP had been in. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A lot of the 150k vs 300k or more trans argument depends on the driving. Donald, I suspect puts on a fiar number of highway miles. Herr Doktor, probably drove mostly city driving. if each car had an hour meter or a counter for number of shifts, i suspect Mean Time Before Failure (MTBF) would be similar for each. Interstate driving puts on miles with few shifts. Big city driving puts on shifts and miles. Granny driving puts on shifts but few miles. Curt wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions. I did the same thing on a very few things that I disagreed with him on. I thought (and still think) that he was wrong about MB transmissions. He used to say that the life of a typical MB transmission was approximately 150,000 miles. I disagreed with him. In my experience with 6 Mercedes I have never had transmission problems. That includes cars that ALL had over 150,000 miles. 3-4 of them had over 300,000 miles. I am a big believer in servicing the transmission every 30,000 miles OR AT LEAST every 50,000 miles. With all of my cars, I did that and NEVER had transmission problems. But, for 90% of what he talked about, I would not disagree because I felt like he knew what he was talking about and had the data to back it up. As it relates to the subject of this email, I replaced one of the glow plugs on my old 123 diesel because one was WAY out of range. Then, about six months later, it wasn't starting very well in the winter. I went ahead and replaced the other four and it started much better. Of course, this car is the exception to every rule, because it had 450,000 miles on it and I have no idea how long the GP had been in. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I respected Marshall because he'd argue passionately but never got personal, and never seemed to grow impatient. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:32 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? Curt wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions. I did the same thing on a very few things that I disagreed with him on. I thought (and still think) that he was wrong about MB transmissions. He used to say that the life of a typical MB transmission was approximately 150,000 miles. I disagreed with him. In my experience with 6 Mercedes I have never had transmission problems. That includes cars that ALL had over 150,000 miles. 3-4 of them had over 300,000 miles. I am a big believer in servicing the transmission every 30,000 miles OR AT LEAST every 50,000 miles. With all of my cars, I did that and NEVER had transmission problems. But, for 90% of what he talked about, I would not disagree because I felt like he knew what he was talking about and had the data to back it up. As it relates to the subject of this email, I replaced one of the glow plugs on my old 123 diesel because one was WAY out of range. Then, about six months later, it wasn't starting very well in the winter. I went ahead and replaced the other four and it started much better. Of course, this car is the exception to every rule, because it had 450,000 miles on it and I have no idea how long the GP had been in. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Definitely true... something we can all respect! Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I respected Marshall because he'd argue passionately but never got personal, and never seemed to grow impatient. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The fuses are actually fairly cheap at the dealer, or were at the Houston dealer a couple of years ago (after I explained to the guy what they were). --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rich, our cars must have been plotting. This a.m. my wagon refused to start; no glow timer light. She'd been idling very rough during cold idle for the first 30 seconds or so over the last month, and so I was suspicious of the glow plugs. I'd tested resistance a couple weeks ago but all seemed OK. Tested again this a.m., all plugs tested fine and fuse looked good. Still no glow light, no start. Extended cranking of the engine wouldn't even get one cylinder to light off. Put the battery on the charger and took a closer look at the fuse, and sure enough it had a hair-line crack. Check my spare fuses - 30 Amp only - darn! Used a piece of 14 gauge wire to jumper the fuse screws, and she started right up. Will be attempting to purchase two fuses locally after work today... I'm still trying to figure out the rough cold idle; I may have to rig the in-line ammeter and test the plugs that way. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had nothing to talk about! :-) Hah! I think I have all - or nearly all - of it archived. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have any that are good, I keep them for spares. That is, unless I am working on a car I am going to flip or something, then I may just use the spares I have to replace dead ones. Curt Raymond wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions. The question as to when to change glow plugs I think boils down to how many times you've done it in the dark and cold. For me twice is PLENTY. In fact that reminds me, I should check how long its been for my 190D. May have my Indy change them while the engine is out... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:49:46 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? Message-ID: bc94d7931002010649u3448f70di1341a572c5025...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me away from the original diesel list. I'm glad I'm not the only one! Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree and its one of the things Marshall and I used to disagree on. He was for replacing them one at a time. After having to replace one at -10F one time I do them all at once! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and you became the first person in history to ban Marshall from a list. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had nothing to talk about! :-) http://images.jaimekop.com/DieselTech/ Thanks for the reminder, Jaime -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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First or only? -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 1, 2010, at 20:37, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: and you became the first person in history to ban Marshall from a list. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had nothing to talk about! :-) http://images.jaimekop.com/DieselTech/ Thanks for the reminder, Jaime -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? You don't mention the car or the year - but I don't think any 5 cylinder SDs had the series plugs... If it's older than about 1980, it might be series. If it is series, then one bad will stop them all from working. I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. I'd check the big, screw down fuse under the glow plug relay cover. Those can fail even when the look good. Replacing it is probably a good idea. (As Marshal would say, CHANGE those FUSES.) Regarding checking glow plugs, here's my favorite way. (Note - this method is for the new parallel pencil plugs) This method uses an old-fashioned automotive ammeter. The ones that display -30,0,+30. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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84 300SD, pencil plugs. I went to the auto parts store and got 2 new ones, will replace the bad one tomorrow, and see if I can try your method to get the amperage. I checked that there was 12V at each plug and there was, so it is sort of a mystery as to why 4 seemingly good plugs won't light off the engine. Maybe just not getting enough amps to heat them up? If I can't get things going with the new plug, I have a spare GP fuse I can try, though it looked almost new. --R Fmiser wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? You don't mention the car or the year - but I don't think any 5 cylinder SDs had the series plugs... If it's older than about 1980, it might be series. If it is series, then one bad will stop them all from working. I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. I'd check the big, screw down fuse under the glow plug relay cover. Those can fail even when the look good. Replacing it is probably a good idea. (As Marshal would say, CHANGE those FUSES.) Regarding checking glow plugs, here's my favorite way. (Note - this method is for the new parallel pencil plugs) This method uses an old-fashioned automotive ammeter. The ones that display -30,0,+30. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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GP Relay fuses that look good are not necessarily good. Remove it and see if it crumbles or has any cracks. It may check good on a volt meter, but not support the huge currents the GPs demand. I've never been brave enough to touch the end of a glow plug to see if it was working, considering one end glows red hot in a few seconds, I have no interest in checking the other end. The method Fmiser suggests to test glow plugs is the best, and much more reliable than checking resistance. I've been fooled by the resistance method more than once. Jaime On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs, I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor and just do them all! I have bad memories of working at midnight, in the street in front of a friends house, with temps in the teens just a few days after replacing a single plug. I paid $800 for that car and wasn't into putting much more into it, but very often trying to save money just results in being stranded. Jaime On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: 84 300SD, pencil plugs. I went to the auto parts store and got 2 new ones, will replace the bad one tomorrow, and see if I can try your method to get the amperage. I checked that there was 12V at each plug and there was, so it is sort of a mystery as to why 4 seemingly good plugs won't light off the engine. Maybe just not getting enough amps to heat them up? If I can't get things going with the new plug, I have a spare GP fuse I can try, though it looked almost new. --R Fmiser wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? You don't mention the car or the year - but I don't think any 5 cylinder SDs had the series plugs... If it's older than about 1980, it might be series. If it is series, then one bad will stop them all from working. I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. I'd check the big, screw down fuse under the glow plug relay cover. Those can fail even when the look good. Replacing it is probably a good idea. (As Marshal would say, CHANGE those FUSES.) Regarding checking glow plugs, here's my favorite way. (Note - this method is for the new parallel pencil plugs) This method uses an old-fashioned automotive ammeter. The ones that display -30,0,+30. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jaime Kopchinski wrote: One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs, I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor and just do them all! With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite or Champion. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
With Gump, it just makes sense to change the whole kaboodle when you do one. GP are cheap, injectors get balanced, bulbs all light up. clay On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs, I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor and just do them all! I have bad memories of working at midnight, in the street in front of a friends house, with temps in the teens just a few days after replacing a single plug. I paid $800 for that car and wasn't into putting much more into it, but very often trying to save money just results in being stranded. Jaime On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: 84 300SD, pencil plugs. I went to the auto parts store and got 2 new ones, will replace the bad one tomorrow, and see if I can try your method to get the amperage. I checked that there was 12V at each plug and there was, so it is sort of a mystery as to why 4 seemingly good plugs won't light off the engine. Maybe just not getting enough amps to heat them up? If I can't get things going with the new plug, I have a spare GP fuse I can try, though it looked almost new. --R Fmiser wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? You don't mention the car or the year - but I don't think any 5 cylinder SDs had the series plugs... If it's older than about 1980, it might be series. If it is series, then one bad will stop them all from working. I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. I'd check the big, screw down fuse under the glow plug relay cover. Those can fail even when the look good. Replacing it is probably a good idea. (As Marshal would say, CHANGE those FUSES.) Regarding checking glow plugs, here's my favorite way. (Note - this method is for the new parallel pencil plugs) This method uses an old-fashioned automotive ammeter. The ones that display -30,0,+30. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
12 volts to the plug doesn't mean that they are consuming the current - an open plug will look good if you're only measuring voltage to it. I really like the simple ammeter in the line approach. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: 84 300SD, pencil plugs. I went to the auto parts store and got 2 new ones, will replace the bad one tomorrow, and see if I can try your method to get the amperage. I checked that there was 12V at each plug and there was, so it is sort of a mystery as to why 4 seemingly good plugs won't light off the engine. Maybe just not getting enough amps to heat them up? If I can't get things going with the new plug, I have a spare GP fuse I can try, though it looked almost new. --R -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Gearwrenches are your friends... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 31, 2010, at 15:00, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
I tried the Autolite glow plugs and ended up having the Advanced Auto parts guy tell me after the 4th or 5th trip to replace another bad one (under warranty) that he would only give me my money back. I bought Bosch from Rusty/Gary and they have not failed after a year and a half or so. Steve With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite or Champion. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
Ah, I bought a set of those last summer, have not yet used them. Good call. --R John Reames wrote: Gearwrenches are your friends... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 31, 2010, at 15:00, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug (#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting 12V across the fuse and at the relay pins until the relay clicks off. None of the glow plugs seem to be warming up though (according to my calibrated finger). Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to heat up? I don't have a amp clamp, but if there is 12V at the plug wires at the relay it should be getting juice to all of them? I'll go out to make sure there is 12V at each plug connector to make sure the connector didn't go bad or something. That last plug looks like a bugger to get out too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
So I went to Advance Auto this afternoon and bought 2 Autolites they were only $10, maybe they will do until I can get some proper plugs. --R Steve wrote: I tried the Autolite glow plugs and ended up having the Advanced Auto parts guy tell me after the 4th or 5th trip to replace another bad one (under warranty) that he would only give me my money back. I bought Bosch from Rusty/Gary and they have not failed after a year and a half or so. Steve With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite or Champion. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
In a parallel circuit, one bad glow plug won't prevent the others from working, but if it's cold enough it can make a noticeable difference in the ability to start the engine, and may even prevent it. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
IIRC I have bought (Benz glow plugs) Autolite boxed plugs, and the plugs inside the box are Beru. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch? Jaime Kopchinski wrote: One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs, I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor and just do them all! With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite or Champion. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
