Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, thanks Dan. Really wish we had more time. 

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> On Jan 23, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> It’s true... it happened!
> 
> Good to see you guys, and thanks to Dan for the airport limo service!
> 
> Jaime
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> 
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:21 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
>> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was surprised
>> by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest this afternoon.
>> I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yup, it happened. Told Kaleb I was picking up another car buddy that was a 
Rover guy.

Hee.

Was good to get together for a few hours and talk cars.  A good time was had by 
all.

Sorry for the rain today, but at least it’s warm.

-D

> On Jan 23, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> It’s true... it happened!
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> Good to see you guys, and thanks to Dan for the airport limo service!
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> 
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:21 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
>> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was surprised
>> by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest this afternoon.
>> I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

It’s true... it happened!

Good to see you guys, and thanks to Dan for the airport limo service!

Jaime


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> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was surprised
> by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest this afternoon.
> I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:31:58 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> None were taken. Didn’t even thing about it. It’s all Poos fault. 

No pictures, it didn't happen.


Craig


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> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:21:39 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> > 
> >> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
> >> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was
> >> surprised by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest
> >> this afternoon. I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
> > 
> > Pictures?
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

None were taken. Didn’t even thing about it. It’s all Poos fault. 

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> On Jan 22, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:21:39 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
>> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was
>> surprised by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest
>> this afternoon. I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
> 
> Pictures?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:21:39 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was
> surprised by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest
> this afternoon. I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.

Pictures?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa list fest

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

How cool. Enjoy.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 22, 2018 9:21 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So I am currently in Tampa for a company meeting and had planned on
> meeting up with Poos, he was picking me up at the airport. I was surprised
> by Jaime also being here. So we had a little mini list fest this afternoon.
> I am sure it was the highlight of the trip.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes. Maybe I will just have to come back for the other one. How far are you 
from Tampa?

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> On Nov 2, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pop up and get this E$500 dizzel
> 
> man I started that thing up today and I don't think I have a skeeter problem 
> anymore, sounded like a John Deere tractor too.
> 
> I took some pics to send you later.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/17 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>  No, it’s a work trip. Got anything I can drive back?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I assume that's a warning if R is coming. I'll know to take public 
>>> transportation that week.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?
 
 -
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> I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Pop up and get this E$500 dizzel

man I started that thing up today and I don't think I have a skeeter 
problem anymore, sounded like a John Deere tractor too.


I took some pics to send you later.

--FT


On 11/2/17 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

  No, it’s a work trip. Got anything I can drive back?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 2, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

I assume that's a warning if R is coming. I'll know to take public 
transportation that week.

-D


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wrote:

Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?

-
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I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.





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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Flying 

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> On Nov 2, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
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> Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?
> 
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>> I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

 No, it’s a work trip. Got anything I can drive back?

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> On Nov 2, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I assume that's a warning if R is coming. I'll know to take public 
> transportation that week.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I assume that's a warning if R is coming. I'll know to take public 
transportation that week.

-D

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?
> 
> -
> Max
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> 
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for the warning?  Driving out or flying?

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> I will be in Tampa January 22-25 for our company meeting.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Let's change the subject.

GO NATIONALS!  BEAT THE CUBS!!

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> On 04/10/2017 3:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Start buggering young girls and you’ll fit right in to Polk County!
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
> I am afraid to ask about young boys . . .
>
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On 04/10/2017 3:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Start buggering young girls and you’ll fit right in to Polk County!

-D



I am afraid to ask about young boys . . .

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Start buggering young girls and you’ll fit right in to Polk County!

-D

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yes, I cook blue meth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Yes, I cook blue meth.

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> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You have a source of income you need to launder money for?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would think we should be doing that here. I could see where a church could 
>> be used as a cover to launder money maybe. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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God wants you to ROLL!!!

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> I would think we should be doing that here. I could see where a church
> could be used as a cover to launder money maybe.
>
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

On Sunday, I found a dime and a penny in the washing machine... That's
about as close as I can get to "money laundry"..

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> You have a source of income you need to launder money for?
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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You have a source of income you need to launder money for?

-D

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would think we should be doing that here. I could see where a church could 
> be used as a cover to launder money maybe. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would think we should be doing that here. I could see where a church could be 
used as a cover to launder money maybe. 

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> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Watch Leah Remini’s series on Scientology, which is now in its second season. 
>  Really, really scary.
> 
> They have a lot of former high ranking church members on the show, and it’s 
> amazing the stuff they put them through.  Best part, however, has been how 
> some countries like Australia have done end runs around the religious freedom 
> aspect to nail them.  After a lengthy exposé failed to get the church to 
> change its ways, legislators passed a law that required all organized 
> religions to have to submit annual audited financial reports.  After doing 
> so, it was pretty clear that Scientology didn’t have the 200k-300k members 
> they claimed to have in Australia.  It was more like 10k or less.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On October 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not really.  They’re farther north by Gainesville.  At least Travolta’s 
>>> airstrip home is, he’s almost a neighbor of Manfred’s.  Travolta allegedly 
>>> just bought some high end property in Clearwater next door to Kirstie 
>>> Alley.  Those Scientologists like to stay close to the Mothership.
>> 
>> I thought Kirstie's franchise, I mean, mission, was in Kansas or something...
>> ...ah, here it is, I didn't realize it's already been over 20 years since 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Watch Leah Remini’s series on Scientology, which is now in its second season.  
Really, really scary.

They have a lot of former high ranking church members on the show, and it’s 
amazing the stuff they put them through.  Best part, however, has been how some 
countries like Australia have done end runs around the religious freedom aspect 
to nail them.  After a lengthy exposé failed to get the church to change its 
ways, legislators passed a law that required all organized religions to have to 
submit annual audited financial reports.  After doing so, it was pretty clear 
that Scientology didn’t have the 200k-300k members they claimed to have in 
Australia.  It was more like 10k or less.

-D

 
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not really.  They’re farther north by Gainesville.  At least Travolta’s 
>> airstrip home is, he’s almost a neighbor of Manfred’s.  Travolta allegedly 
>> just bought some high end property in Clearwater next door to Kirstie Alley. 
>>  Those Scientologists like to stay close to the Mothership.
> 
> I thought Kirstie's franchise, I mean, mission, was in Kansas or something...
> ...ah, here it is, I didn't realize it's already been over 20 years since she 
> became a franchisee:
> http://hatewatch.freedommag.org/scn_new.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You mean Lt. Saavak?

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> On Oct 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not really.  They’re farther north by Gainesville.  At least Travolta’s 
> airstrip home is, he’s almost a neighbor of Manfred’s.  Travolta allegedly 
> just bought some high end property in Clearwater next door to Kirstie Alley.  
> Those Scientologists like to stay close to the Mothership.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On October 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Polk County, which is right between Tampa and Orlando, is very rural and 
>>> land is cheap, relatively speaking.  Schools suck there, however.  Lots of 
>>> meth and child molesters, and Jabba, too!
>> 
>> 
>> Isn't that pretty close to where MG, Kelley Preston, and John Travolta live?
>> 
>> Mitch.
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> On October 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not really.  They’re farther north by Gainesville.  At least Travolta’s 
> airstrip home is, he’s almost a neighbor of Manfred’s.  Travolta allegedly 
> just bought some high end property in Clearwater next door to Kirstie Alley.  
> Those Scientologists like to stay close to the Mothership.

I thought Kirstie's franchise, I mean, mission, was in Kansas or something...
...ah, here it is, I didn't realize it's already been over 20 years since she 
became a franchisee:
http://hatewatch.freedommag.org/scn_new.htm

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not really.  They’re farther north by Gainesville.  At least Travolta’s 
airstrip home is, he’s almost a neighbor of Manfred’s.  Travolta allegedly just 
bought some high end property in Clearwater next door to Kirstie Alley.  Those 
Scientologists like to stay close to the Mothership.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Polk County, which is right between Tampa and Orlando, is very rural and 
>> land is cheap, relatively speaking.  Schools suck there, however.  Lots of 
>> meth and child molesters, and Jabba, too!
> 
> 
> Isn't that pretty close to where MG, Kelley Preston, and John Travolta live?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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> On October 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Polk County, which is right between Tampa and Orlando, is very rural and land 
> is cheap, relatively speaking.  Schools suck there, however.  Lots of meth 
> and child molesters, and Jabba, too!


Isn't that pretty close to where MG, Kelley Preston, and John Travolta live?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BZZZT! Wrong.  Jabba has a homestead/trailer out in Polk County.  And maybe you 
would get to see Chris Hansen, since he spends a lot of time down there, too.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/tampa-bay-suspects-among-39-arrested-in-polk-child-sex-prostitution-sting/2324867

And you’ll have Grady Judd for a sheriff:

http://www.theledger.com/news/20150622/sheriff-grady-judd-returns-to-pulpit-in-uniform

-D

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think if I move down there I can just stay with Poos for a while. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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I think if I move down there I can just stay with Poos for a while. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Yes.  Rich has started hoarding all the MB's up here, maybe you can start
> competing with him and slow him down a bit.  I don't think he's started
> crossing state lines to drag them back yet, so you've got that advantage.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is an opening for our Tampa/Orlando market. Maybe I should move down
>> there.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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If I mentioned the opening to the wife she would probably insist we move. I am 
not really too interested. Not thinking they would be paying me a whole lot 
more, if any at all, to move down there.

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> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Property is a lot more expensive, however, there are certainly places where a 
> southern Okie Acres could be had for a reasonable amount of money if you were 
> willing to live in a rural area.
> 
> Polk County, which is right between Tampa and Orlando, is very rural and land 
> is cheap, relatively speaking.  Schools suck there, however.  Lots of meth 
> and child molesters, and Jabba, too!
> 
> They would definitely need to pay you some more, but it’s a good market for 
> used cars.  Weather is better if you don’t mind the occasional hurricane. At 
> least you know when they’re coming.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is an opening for our Tampa/Orlando market. Maybe I should move down 
>> there. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes.  Rich has started hoarding all the MB's up here, maybe you can start
competing with him and slow him down a bit.  I don't think he's started
crossing state lines to drag them back yet, so you've got that advantage.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There is an opening for our Tampa/Orlando market. Maybe I should move down
> there.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Property is a lot more expensive, however, there are certainly places where a 
southern Okie Acres could be had for a reasonable amount of money if you were 
willing to live in a rural area.

Polk County, which is right between Tampa and Orlando, is very rural and land 
is cheap, relatively speaking.  Schools suck there, however.  Lots of meth and 
child molesters, and Jabba, too!

They would definitely need to pay you some more, but it’s a good market for 
used cars.  Weather is better if you don’t mind the occasional hurricane. At 
least you know when they’re coming.



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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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It blows too.

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> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Irma certainly does suck.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In the Bahamas Irma sucked the beach away.  Amazing.
>> 
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-irma-sucked-ocean-away-032624546.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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So are you (Dan) hunkering down in situ?  Or did you fly up to Arlington to
buy that Arlington wagon?

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> Irma certainly does suck.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the Bahamas Irma sucked the beach away.  Amazing.
> >
> > https://www.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-irma-sucked-ocean-
> away-032624546.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Irma certainly does suck.

-D


> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the Bahamas Irma sucked the beach away.  Amazing.
> 
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-irma-sucked-ocean-away-032624546.html
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In the Bahamas Irma sucked the beach away.  Amazing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-irma-sucked-ocean-away-032624546.html

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> Just turned on the news they were showing a video showing Tampa and
> talking about how it's not a ghost town. Guess everyone but Poos left.
>
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I think this horrible situation calls for redress.  From now on, all R
voters in Mass. should be given TWO pulls of the lever to atone for the
injustices of the past.

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> Thanks for that report Curly, pretty much confirms what I have long
> suspected.
> --
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> '95 E300
>
> On January 13, 2016 6:26:41 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>Adrew brings up the massive (D) voting fraud: Probably because
> >>Kasich doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.
> >
> >
> >I've kept quiet about this until now, but the corruption I saw in the
> >2008 election is/was sickening.  I worked as a poll official, but we
> >were not given any way to report, stop, or control the massive
> >corruption.  There were people bussed in from who knows where, people
> >who were dragged into the station to mark the ballot (have the ballot
> >marked by) D operatives.  These people could no way vote for
> >themselves, or even know who the candidates were.  Some even said so.
> >A vast majority of the people that day were unregistered, and the D
> >operatives made sure anyone who could be dragged in would be
> >registered (d).  I was placed where all I could do was hand out
> >ballots after the (D) poll workers did the check-in or registration.
> >I did overhear some of the registrations, where the (D) poll workers
> >coached the bussed  in riffraff on a name and address to use within
> >the precinct.   I heard there were busses in the parking lot with IL
> >license plates, but could not confirm this.  It would have been
> >feasible to vote early and often in IL, then get bussed to our
> >polling place.
> >
> >At the same time, from long before the polls opened, the D party had
> >a shyster lawyer there to intimidate the poll officials to be silent,
> >because it was obvious that any questioning of their tactics would
> >trigger lawsuits.  Once we got a line, this shyster lawyer spent a
> >lot of his time near the end of the line where we could not hear him.
> >Once the doors closed, I was able to walk toward the end of the line
> >where the (D) shyster was telling younger folks who looked like they
> >might vote R that they were at the wrong place, and they had to go to
> >a different polling place.  I asked them where they lived, and it was
> >within the precinct boundaries, and I told them to stay in line and
> >vote here.  Apparently he had been asking people who they would vote
> >for and if they didn't indicate (D) he misdirected them to the wrong
> >polling place.  I don't know what lines he was using to get people to
> >indicate their political leaning, but it appeared his lines worked.
> >
> >There was blatant politicking in the polling place.
> >
> >And, to assuage Andrew's concern, from 1980 until 2008, I was
> >registered as a D.  Before that I was registered as an I.  In 2008, I
> >changed my registration to R so that I could vote AGAINST the former
> >(R) governor, who was running again.  I am not, nor have I been, a
> >member of any party.
> >
> >I suppose I could be called a Kennedy Democrat.  I would not shy away
> >from that title now.  JFK had a spine, he stood up to Nikita and
> >Raul's brother, the fiddler; he cut taxes and thus initiated a nice
> >period of growth, he believed in the constitution and the USA.   All
> >those things would have him run out of the (D) party now, and out of
> >the blueblood wing of the (R) party now as being too radical, and
> >called a nutcase, as the (D) party does to their traditional heroes,
> >Jefferson and Jackson.
> >
> >I can only imagine how much worse the (D) corruption was in places
> >like chic a gogo and FL where corruption is rampant.  That said, My
> >guess is that the voting corruption is the only way that JFK got
> >elected in 1960.  It was close.
> >
> >We really should take a lesson from the Iraqis and put the ink on the
> >hand of those who have voted, especially in IL.
> >
> >Unfortunately, neither party wants honest elections nor slowing the
> >flow of wetbacks.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Affirmative Voting Action Reparations, works for me

--R

On 1/14/16 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I think this horrible situation calls for redress.  From now on, all R
voters in Mass. should be given TWO pulls of the lever to atone for the
injustices of the past.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Thanks for that report Curly, pretty much confirms what I have long
suspected.
--
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'95 E300

On January 13, 2016 6:26:41 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Adrew brings up the massive (D) voting fraud: Probably because
Kasich doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.


I've kept quiet about this until now, but the corruption I saw in the
2008 election is/was sickening.  I worked as a poll official, but we
were not given any way to report, stop, or control the massive
corruption.  There were people bussed in from who knows where, people
who were dragged into the station to mark the ballot (have the ballot
marked by) D operatives.  These people could no way vote for
themselves, or even know who the candidates were.  Some even said so.
A vast majority of the people that day were unregistered, and the D
operatives made sure anyone who could be dragged in would be
registered (d).  I was placed where all I could do was hand out
ballots after the (D) poll workers did the check-in or registration.
I did overhear some of the registrations, where the (D) poll workers
coached the bussed  in riffraff on a name and address to use within
the precinct.   I heard there were busses in the parking lot with IL
license plates, but could not confirm this.  It would have been
feasible to vote early and often in IL, then get bussed to our
polling place.

At the same time, from long before the polls opened, the D party had
a shyster lawyer there to intimidate the poll officials to be silent,
because it was obvious that any questioning of their tactics would
trigger lawsuits.  Once we got a line, this shyster lawyer spent a
lot of his time near the end of the line where we could not hear him.
Once the doors closed, I was able to walk toward the end of the line
where the (D) shyster was telling younger folks who looked like they
might vote R that they were at the wrong place, and they had to go to
a different polling place.  I asked them where they lived, and it was
within the precinct boundaries, and I told them to stay in line and
vote here.  Apparently he had been asking people who they would vote
for and if they didn't indicate (D) he misdirected them to the wrong
polling place.  I don't know what lines he was using to get people to
indicate their political leaning, but it appeared his lines worked.

There was blatant politicking in the polling place.

And, to assuage Andrew's concern, from 1980 until 2008, I was
registered as a D.  Before that I was registered as an I.  In 2008, I
changed my registration to R so that I could vote AGAINST the former
(R) governor, who was running again.  I am not, nor have I been, a
member of any party.

I suppose I could be called a Kennedy Democrat.  I would not shy away

>from that title now.  JFK had a spine, he stood up to Nikita and

Raul's brother, the fiddler; he cut taxes and thus initiated a nice
period of growth, he believed in the constitution and the USA.   All
those things would have him run out of the (D) party now, and out of
the blueblood wing of the (R) party now as being too radical, and
called a nutcase, as the (D) party does to their traditional heroes,
Jefferson and Jackson.

I can only imagine how much worse the (D) corruption was in places
like chic a gogo and FL where corruption is rampant.  That said, My
guess is that the voting corruption is the only way that JFK got
elected in 1960.  It was close.

We really should take a lesson from the Iraqis and put the ink on the
hand of those who have voted, especially in IL.

Unfortunately, neither party wants honest elections nor slowing the
flow of wetbacks.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope.  That’s just one of their “recruitment centers”.  They have one in 
downtown Plant City as well.  They used to canvass people on the street in Ybor 
but they have stopped that, as they got tired of being abused, I suspect.  Now 
they just look for the walk in customers.

Dan


> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:20 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> May be. They built their new church in Ybor City.
> Gerry
> 
>> It’s all the Scientologists.
>> Dan not Xenu
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Actually when you get out west like where I live things tend to lean more to 
the right. A friend of mine from college ran for state Rep as an R and I was 
surprised when he won. I thought he did a pretty good job, went to work every 
day at least which is more than you can say for most of them.He lost 
re-election to a D who is a turd...
-Curt
 

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa
   
Is Worcester a Dem stronghold?  Oh wait, Massachusetts... never mind...

--R (who used to live in the only R town in Mass)

On 1/12/16 6:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Turns out both he and I were wrong. Worcester has more like 185,000 people 
> and the rate for 2013 was 9 per 100,000 so maybe 18 total. Thats still more 
> than twice the average US rate but I'd suggest that the average rate is 
> skewed down by lower population areas.NYC is a shining start though at 4 per 
> 100,000, Chicago is high at more than 15 with Detroit leading at 529 per 
> 100,000.
> Looking down the list Worcester isn't even kind of in the running...
> -Curt
>  
>
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>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:22 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa
>    
>
>
>> On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
>> scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with
>> all the scary news.
>>
>>
>> My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
>> Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the 
>> murder
>> rate is very small...
> Actually, that's about 10x the national average.
> If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
> nationwide.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for that report Curly, pretty much confirms what I have long suspected.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 13, 2016 6:26:41 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>>Adrew brings up the massive (D) voting fraud: Probably because 
>>Kasich doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.
>
>
>I've kept quiet about this until now, but the corruption I saw in the 
>2008 election is/was sickening.  I worked as a poll official, but we 
>were not given any way to report, stop, or control the massive 
>corruption.  There were people bussed in from who knows where, people 
>who were dragged into the station to mark the ballot (have the ballot 
>marked by) D operatives.  These people could no way vote for 
>themselves, or even know who the candidates were.  Some even said so. 
>A vast majority of the people that day were unregistered, and the D 
>operatives made sure anyone who could be dragged in would be 
>registered (d).  I was placed where all I could do was hand out 
>ballots after the (D) poll workers did the check-in or registration. 
>I did overhear some of the registrations, where the (D) poll workers 
>coached the bussed  in riffraff on a name and address to use within 
>the precinct.   I heard there were busses in the parking lot with IL 
>license plates, but could not confirm this.  It would have been 
>feasible to vote early and often in IL, then get bussed to our 
>polling place.
>
>At the same time, from long before the polls opened, the D party had 
>a shyster lawyer there to intimidate the poll officials to be silent, 
>because it was obvious that any questioning of their tactics would 
>trigger lawsuits.  Once we got a line, this shyster lawyer spent a 
>lot of his time near the end of the line where we could not hear him. 
>Once the doors closed, I was able to walk toward the end of the line 
>where the (D) shyster was telling younger folks who looked like they 
>might vote R that they were at the wrong place, and they had to go to 
>a different polling place.  I asked them where they lived, and it was 
>within the precinct boundaries, and I told them to stay in line and 
>vote here.  Apparently he had been asking people who they would vote 
>for and if they didn't indicate (D) he misdirected them to the wrong 
>polling place.  I don't know what lines he was using to get people to 
>indicate their political leaning, but it appeared his lines worked.
>
>There was blatant politicking in the polling place.
>
>And, to assuage Andrew's concern, from 1980 until 2008, I was 
>registered as a D.  Before that I was registered as an I.  In 2008, I 
>changed my registration to R so that I could vote AGAINST the former 
>(R) governor, who was running again.  I am not, nor have I been, a 
>member of any party.
>
>I suppose I could be called a Kennedy Democrat.  I would not shy away 
>from that title now.  JFK had a spine, he stood up to Nikita and 
>Raul's brother, the fiddler; he cut taxes and thus initiated a nice 
>period of growth, he believed in the constitution and the USA.   All 
>those things would have him run out of the (D) party now, and out of 
>the blueblood wing of the (R) party now as being too radical, and 
>called a nutcase, as the (D) party does to their traditional heroes, 
>Jefferson and Jackson.
>
>I can only imagine how much worse the (D) corruption was in places 
>like chic a gogo and FL where corruption is rampant.  That said, My 
>guess is that the voting corruption is the only way that JFK got 
>elected in 1960.  It was close.
>
>We really should take a lesson from the Iraqis and put the ink on the 
>hand of those who have voted, especially in IL.
>
>Unfortunately, neither party wants honest elections nor slowing the 
>flow of wetbacks.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

And the votes are still uncounted!

--R

On 1/13/16 5:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Even better was when Karl Rove had a meltdown on Election night in 2012
after Fox News called Ohio for Obama .  He insisted, almost hysterically,
that there were enough uncounted Romney votes to wipe out Obama's lead.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


>As contrast to south FL, in 1992, Bill finished third (behind George H and
>Ross) in Escambia, Okaloosa, and Walton counties (the three westernmost FL
>counties).  This situation  also faked out the media pretty good in 2000
>when the talking heads (forgetting the chunk of FL on central time) and
>called the state for Gore before polls even closed west of Tallahassee.



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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As contrast to south FL, in 1992, Bill finished third (behind George H and 
Ross) in Escambia, Okaloosa, and Walton counties (the three westernmost FL 
counties).  This situation  also faked out the media pretty good in 2000 when 
the talking heads (forgetting the chunk of FL on central time) and called the 
state for Gore before polls even closed west of Tallahassee.  

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> 
> Actually when you get out west like where I live things tend to lean more to
> the right. A friend of mine from college ran for state Rep as an R and I was
> surprised when he won. I thought he did a pretty good job, went to work
> every day at least which is more than you can say for most of them.He lost re-
> election to a D who is a turd...
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Adrew brings up the massive (D) voting fraud: Probably because 
Kasich doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.



I've kept quiet about this until now, but the corruption I saw in the 
2008 election is/was sickening.  I worked as a poll official, but we 
were not given any way to report, stop, or control the massive 
corruption.  There were people bussed in from who knows where, people 
who were dragged into the station to mark the ballot (have the ballot 
marked by) D operatives.  These people could no way vote for 
themselves, or even know who the candidates were.  Some even said so. 
A vast majority of the people that day were unregistered, and the D 
operatives made sure anyone who could be dragged in would be 
registered (d).  I was placed where all I could do was hand out 
ballots after the (D) poll workers did the check-in or registration. 
I did overhear some of the registrations, where the (D) poll workers 
coached the bussed  in riffraff on a name and address to use within 
the precinct.   I heard there were busses in the parking lot with IL 
license plates, but could not confirm this.  It would have been 
feasible to vote early and often in IL, then get bussed to our 
polling place.


At the same time, from long before the polls opened, the D party had 
a shyster lawyer there to intimidate the poll officials to be silent, 
because it was obvious that any questioning of their tactics would 
trigger lawsuits.  Once we got a line, this shyster lawyer spent a 
lot of his time near the end of the line where we could not hear him. 
Once the doors closed, I was able to walk toward the end of the line 
where the (D) shyster was telling younger folks who looked like they 
might vote R that they were at the wrong place, and they had to go to 
a different polling place.  I asked them where they lived, and it was 
within the precinct boundaries, and I told them to stay in line and 
vote here.  Apparently he had been asking people who they would vote 
for and if they didn't indicate (D) he misdirected them to the wrong 
polling place.  I don't know what lines he was using to get people to 
indicate their political leaning, but it appeared his lines worked.


There was blatant politicking in the polling place.

And, to assuage Andrew's concern, from 1980 until 2008, I was 
registered as a D.  Before that I was registered as an I.  In 2008, I 
changed my registration to R so that I could vote AGAINST the former 
(R) governor, who was running again.  I am not, nor have I been, a 
member of any party.


I suppose I could be called a Kennedy Democrat.  I would not shy away 
from that title now.  JFK had a spine, he stood up to Nikita and 
Raul's brother, the fiddler; he cut taxes and thus initiated a nice 
period of growth, he believed in the constitution and the USA.   All 
those things would have him run out of the (D) party now, and out of 
the blueblood wing of the (R) party now as being too radical, and 
called a nutcase, as the (D) party does to their traditional heroes, 
Jefferson and Jackson.


I can only imagine how much worse the (D) corruption was in places 
like chic a gogo and FL where corruption is rampant.  That said, My 
guess is that the voting corruption is the only way that JFK got 
elected in 1960.  It was close.


We really should take a lesson from the Iraqis and put the ink on the 
hand of those who have voted, especially in IL.


Unfortunately, neither party wants honest elections nor slowing the 
flow of wetbacks.



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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I lived in Melrose, MA, the only reliably R town in MA (though Curt says 
now there might be others out west).  I was voting once, we had these 
big old green machines with all the levers and such.  I was talking to 
the poll worker, an older woman, who told me that the way it used to be 
was that the machines would arrive "pre-voted" for the D of choice in 
the various contests, and of course that person won, often with more 
votes than people who voted, but not to worry... She said at some point 
some of the townfolk caught on to the subterfuge and did their own 
adjustments to the machines, and let it be known that they would all be 
checked and resealed by a federal judge (a town resident).  At which 
point the town "became" R as it had been but the vote had never before 
reflected that.


--R

On 1/13/16 6:26 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Adrew brings up the massive (D) voting fraud: Probably because Kasich 
doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.



I've kept quiet about this until now, but the corruption I saw in the 
2008 election is/was sickening.  I worked as a poll official, but we 
were not given any way to report, stop, or control the massive 
corruption.  There were people bussed in from who knows where, people 
who were dragged into the station to mark the ballot (have the ballot 
marked by) D operatives.  These people could no way vote for 
themselves, or even know who the candidates were. Some even said so. A 
vast majority of the people that day were unregistered, and the D 
operatives made sure anyone who could be dragged in would be 
registered (d).  I was placed where all I could do was hand out 
ballots after the (D) poll workers did the check-in or registration. I 
did overhear some of the registrations, where the (D) poll workers 
coached the bussed  in riffraff on a name and address to use within 
the precinct.   I heard there were busses in the parking lot with IL 
license plates, but could not confirm this.  It would have been 
feasible to vote early and often in IL, then get bussed to our polling 
place.


At the same time, from long before the polls opened, the D party had a 
shyster lawyer there to intimidate the poll officials to be silent, 
because it was obvious that any questioning of their tactics would 
trigger lawsuits.  Once we got a line, this shyster lawyer spent a lot 
of his time near the end of the line where we could not hear him. Once 
the doors closed, I was able to walk toward the end of the line where 
the (D) shyster was telling younger folks who looked like they might 
vote R that they were at the wrong place, and they had to go to a 
different polling place. I asked them where they lived, and it was 
within the precinct boundaries, and I told them to stay in line and 
vote here. Apparently he had been asking people who they would vote 
for and if they didn't indicate (D) he misdirected them to the wrong 
polling place.  I don't know what lines he was using to get people to 
indicate their political leaning, but it appeared his lines worked.


There was blatant politicking in the polling place.

And, to assuage Andrew's concern, from 1980 until 2008, I was 
registered as a D.  Before that I was registered as an I.  In 2008, I 
changed my registration to R so that I could vote AGAINST the former 
(R) governor, who was running again.  I am not, nor have I been, a 
member of any party.


I suppose I could be called a Kennedy Democrat.  I would not shy away 
from that title now.  JFK had a spine, he stood up to Nikita and 
Raul's brother, the fiddler; he cut taxes and thus initiated a nice 
period of growth, he believed in the constitution and the USA.   All 
those things would have him run out of the (D) party now, and out of 
the blueblood wing of the (R) party now as being too radical, and 
called a nutcase, as the (D) party does to their traditional heroes, 
Jefferson and Jackson.


I can only imagine how much worse the (D) corruption was in places 
like chic a gogo and FL where corruption is rampant.  That said, My 
guess is that the voting corruption is the only way that JFK got 
elected in 1960.  It was close.


We really should take a lesson from the Iraqis and put the ink on the 
hand of those who have voted, especially in IL.


Unfortunately, neither party wants honest elections nor slowing the 
flow of wetbacks.



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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Even better was when Karl Rove had a meltdown on Election night in 2012
after Fox News called Ohio for Obama .  He insisted, almost hysterically,
that there were enough uncounted Romney votes to wipe out Obama's lead.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As contrast to south FL, in 1992, Bill finished third (behind George H and
> Ross) in Escambia, Okaloosa, and Walton counties (the three westernmost FL
> counties).  This situation  also faked out the media pretty good in 2000
> when the talking heads (forgetting the chunk of FL on central time) and
> called the state for Gore before polls even closed west of Tallahassee.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >
> > Actually when you get out west like where I live things tend to lean
> more to
> > the right. A friend of mine from college ran for state Rep as an R and I
> was
> > surprised when he won. I thought he did a pretty good job, went to work
> > every day at least which is more than you can say for most of them.He
> lost re-
> > election to a D who is a turd...
> > -Curt
> >
>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably because Kasich doesn't want to further embarrass Karl and Mitt.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And the votes are still uncounted!
>
> --R
>
> On 1/13/16 5:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Even better was when Karl Rove had a meltdown on Election night in 2012
>> after Fox News called Ohio for Obama .  He insisted, almost hysterically,
>> that there were enough uncounted Romney votes to wipe out Obama's lead.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >As contrast to south FL, in 1992, Bill finished third (behind George H
>>> and
>>> >Ross) in Escambia, Okaloosa, and Walton counties (the three westernmost
>>> FL
>>> >counties).  This situation  also faked out the media pretty good in 2000
>>> >when the talking heads (forgetting the chunk of FL on central time) and
>>> >called the state for Gore before polls even closed west of Tallahassee.
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

As contrast to south FL, in 1992, Bill finished third (behind George 
H and Ross) in Escambia, Okaloosa, and Walton counties (the three 
westernmost FL counties).  This situation  also faked out the media 
pretty good in 2000 when the talking heads (forgetting the chunk of 
FL on central time) and called the state for Gore before polls even 
closed west of Tallahassee.


I like the FL panhandle, but I'd guess it would be frustrating to 
live there and have the state controlled by all the dam_ Yankees from 
NY/NE who want to escape those he__ holes, but bring along their 
stupidity to force it on others.


I like panama city, but PC Beach is an armpit.  Destin is getting 
bad, but still tolerable.  The less populated areas are great.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

How much “less populated” do you get outside of the Panhandle?  That place is 
pretty desolate for the most part.  I don’t think many people know how desolate 
the Panhandle is….

Dan


> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like panama city, but PC Beach is an armpit.  Destin is getting bad, but 
> still tolerable.  The less populated areas are great.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Is Worcester a Dem stronghold?  Oh wait, Massachusetts... never mind...

--R (who used to live in the only R town in Mass)

On 1/12/16 6:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Turns out both he and I were wrong. Worcester has more like 185,000 people and 
the rate for 2013 was 9 per 100,000 so maybe 18 total. Thats still more than 
twice the average US rate but I'd suggest that the average rate is skewed down 
by lower population areas.NYC is a shining start though at 4 per 100,000, 
Chicago is high at more than 15 with Detroit leading at 529 per 100,000.
Looking down the list Worcester isn't even kind of in the running...
-Curt
  


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On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with
all the scary news.


My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the murder
rate is very small...

Actually, that's about 10x the national average.
If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
nationwide.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Compared to what location?

http://consumerist.com/2014/08/19/how-far-does-100-go-in-your-state-heres-a-map-that-that-shows-you/

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening
> there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I
> want to move there for the same job.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

May be. They built their new church in Ybor City.
Gerry

> It’s all the Scientologists.
> Dan not Xenu
 
> > On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:18 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> > No one wants to be murdered, and no one wants to be the victim of violent 
> > crime which is much more common; so violent crime is a better index by 
> > which to judge a city.
> > Tampa is not as bad as St.Petersburg, its neighboring city across the bay, 
> > but it's not good either:
> > http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Tampa-Florida.html
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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Compared to what location?

http://consumerist.com/2014/08/19/how-far-does-100-go-in-your-state-heres-a-map-that-that-shows-you/

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 How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening
 there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I

 > want to move there for the same job.



 >


Cool Graphic.  Funny (and worth noting)  how all the places where a 
buck is worth less than a buck are all run by donkeys.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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Link, please?


Dan


> On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
>> there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
>> want to move there for the same job.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city in the USA. 
>  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a turd world city.   On 
> the plus side, there are some nice neighborhoods, great cuban sandwiches, 
> palm trees and guava turnovers.   Oh, and a few old MBs.  You won't freeze 
> your pitootie, or shovel snow, but you will sweat all year round, and in the 
> summer it is unbearable.  The humidity will rust your tools and cars.  Okie 
> city looks pretty good in comparison, and I think it is smaller (metro area)
> 
> If you go further inland, like Pasco county, the prices are lower and the 
> population is more sparse, but you have a longer drive to tampa or mouslando 
> airports.   That is a generally depressed area since the oranges are not 
> grown there anymore.
> 
> Pass the shaker of salt as you read this...  I've never lived there, but know 
> folks who do.  But the first sentence is hard  truth.  I have lived in 
> coastal areas, so there is some credibility.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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http://time.com/money/3989171/best-big-cities-2015/

http://www.livability.com/fl/tampa

While Tampa is far from perfect, it's hardly a "turd" compared to other coastal 
cities, such as New Orleans or Mobile, for example.  Crime rates are not 
significantly higher than similar cities in size, and they vary widely 
depending on whether you're looking at the city of Tampa or the whole 
metropolitan area.  It's not dirty and resembles no 3rd world country/city I 
have ever visited (and that's quite a few.)

Does it have bad areas? Sure, as every major metropolitan area does, I can 
certainly find bad parts, but they're centered around one or two parts of the 
inner city and easily avoided.

The climate isn't that bad, certainly not like central or south Florida. The 
Gulf breezes we get keep the temperatures lower than inland areas and make it 
far more comfortable. Yes, it's humid, but not the soggy, feel like you've been 
poured into a bucket humidity that parts of the Gulf coast such as Louisiana or 
Mississippi have.  Warm temps last from April to October usually, and typically 
top out in the low 90s compared to high 90s in central (inland) Florida. The 
rest of the year is quite nice, with low humidity and temperatures averaging in 
the 70s. Today's low is 45F and the high will reach the mid 50's - a typical 
cool winter day.

Rust is not an issue unless you live on the water. I've lived here a total of 
nearly 20 years, and only once seen a rusty car that got that way due to being 
parked immediately next to a canal that was fed from the Gulf.  I have never 
had rust issues on any of my cars due to the climate, and it's rare to see a 
rusty car unless it's from an era where rust protection was marginal.  UV 
exposure is more of an issue than rust would ever be.

Pasco County to the north is one of the largest and most rapidly growing areas. 
 Citrus was never a major crop in Pasco County, ranching was and still is to 
some extent.  Citrus was grown to the north of Pasco County some years ago.  
Since Pasco is north, it's no further inland than Tampa.  To go inland, you 
would go east to Polk County, which is big in citrus, ranching and phosphate 
production.  There is nothing in the way of economic depression in Polk County 
- the citrus industry is going full bore there. Lakeland, FL, the largest city 
in the area, has a number of high line car dealerships that have been there for 
years, and this is not a large city, (100,000 people) a testament to the 
affluence that the citrus and phosphate industries bring to the area.  Their 
only issue is citrus greening and other pests that affect the crop. Also, to 
the immediate east of me, which is still Hillsborough County, you'll find the 
largest producers of strawberries and blueberries in the CONUS. Agri
 culture is strong and doing well throughout the area - we also produce a large 
amount of tomatoes in the south county as well.

Having lived in numerous places, I can say with a fair amount of confidence 
that Tampa is pretty decent for the most part. When people complain about how 
awful the place they live is, I usually ask them to let me know when they find 
the perfect place to live.  I have yet to find it myself.

Dan


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wrote:

>> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
>> there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
>> want to move there for the same job.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city in the USA. 
>  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a turd world city.   On 
> the plus side, there are some nice neighborhoods, great cuban sandwiches, 
> palm trees and guava turnovers.   Oh, and a few old MBs.  You won't freeze 
> your pitootie, or shovel snow, but you will sweat all year round, and in the 
> summer it is unbearable.  The humidity will rust your tools and cars.  Okie 
> city looks pretty good in comparison, and I think it is smaller (metro area)
> 
> If you go further inland, like Pasco county, the prices are lower and the 
> population is more sparse, but you have a longer drive to tampa or mouslando 
> airports.   That is a generally depressed area since the oranges are not 
> grown there anymore.
> 
> Pass the shaker of salt as you read this...  I've never lived there, but know 
> folks who do.  But the first sentence is hard  truth.  I have lived in 
> coastal areas, so there is some credibility.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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> On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
> scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with
> all the scary news.
> 
> 
> My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
> Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the murder
> rate is very small...

Actually, that's about 10x the national average. 
If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
nationwide. 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Well, it ain't Chicago  http://heyjackass.com/

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On 1/12/16 4:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:


Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with
all the scary news.


My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the murder
rate is very small...

Actually, that's about 10x the national average.
If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
nationwide.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Link, please?  It was on the radio.  Sorry, I don't have a link.  I 
am sure tha part you live in is nice.


I was there in the years you were not there.  Otherwise, I'd have let 
you show me the wonderfulness.  I was there in Jan and Dec., so maybe 
it only looks junky, and has dirt and trash blowing across the street 
in the Christmas season.   That was driving south along Hwy 41 in 
Tampa.


The reports I hear are that the orange groves are being killed off 
statewide by some disease there is no cure for, and repeated crop 
losses from frost have cause a lot of groves in the north/central 
parts of FL to be bulldozed or abandoned.  A friend of mine has been 
working with major orange growers for years to find viable 
replacement crops.


The folks I know who live in Pasco county paint a different picture 
than you do.  There used to be a juice plant there.  It shut down 
because of the lack of oranges.  They say it is a depressed and 
depressing area.  They don't like to go to Tampa because of the 
crime.  My view of tampa is tainted by their stories.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I did list some of the good things about tampa.  I did not list the 
weather, because that is a given, unless you can't take the heat. 
There are a lot of people who like fall, winter and spring with 
cool/cold weather.  I figure people know it is hot 3/4 to 9/10 of the 
year.


Once you get out of Tampa proper things look better.  I'll admit to 
not spending a lot of time in FL.  I first went to ocoee, lakeland 
and orlando in 1974.  Everything was dry, brown, or irrigated and a 
lot of what I saw looked junky.  Combined with the old folks, I had 
no desire to ever go back.  I went back about 30 years later,  we 
drove down the west cost to Naples.  Except Tampa, it was nice.  We 
drove across alligator alley, down to some of the keys and back up to 
miami.  That is another armpit of the world.  The north burbs of 
miami got nice again.  From there we went up to cape Canaveral and 
then headed northwest to I 10.  Since then I've been to mouseville a 
couple of times, but avoid the mouse.


I know, the Tampa C of C won't hire me.





Dan


 On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an 
opening there and my wife wants to move there. It will never 
happen as why would I want to move there for the same job.


 Sent from my iPhone


 Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city 
in the USA.  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a 
turd world city.   On the plus side, there are some nice 
neighborhoods, great cuban sandwiches, palm trees and guava 
turnovers.   Oh, and a few old MBs.  You won't freeze your 
pitootie, or shovel snow, but you will sweat all year round, and in 
the summer it is unbearable.  The humidity will rust your tools and 
cars.  Okie city looks pretty good in comparison, and I think it is 
smaller (metro area)


 If you go further inland, like Pasco county, the prices are lower 
and the population is more sparse, but you have a longer drive to 
tampa or mouslando airports.   That is a generally depressed area 
since the oranges are not grown there anymore.


 Pass the shaker of salt as you read this...  I've never lived 
there, but know folks who do.  But the first sentence is hard 
truth.  I have lived in coastal areas, so there is some credibility.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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Bern's Steak House though

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On 1/12/16 9:25 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Link, please?  It was on the radio. Sorry, I don't have a link.  I am 
sure tha part you live in is nice.


I was there in the years you were not there.  Otherwise, I'd have let 
you show me the wonderfulness.  I was there in Jan and Dec., so maybe 
it only looks junky, and has dirt and trash blowing across the street 
in the Christmas season.   That was driving south along Hwy 41 in Tampa.


The reports I hear are that the orange groves are being killed off 
statewide by some disease there is no cure for, and repeated crop 
losses from frost have cause a lot of groves in the north/central 
parts of FL to be bulldozed or abandoned.  A friend of mine has been 
working with major orange growers for years to find viable replacement 
crops.


The folks I know who live in Pasco county paint a different picture 
than you do.  There used to be a juice plant there.  It shut down 
because of the lack of oranges.  They say it is a depressed and 
depressing area.  They don't like to go to Tampa because of the 
crime.  My view of tampa is tainted by their stories.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I did list some of the good things about tampa.  I did not list the 
weather, because that is a given, unless you can't take the heat. 
There are a lot of people who like fall, winter and spring with 
cool/cold weather.  I figure people know it is hot 3/4 to 9/10 of the 
year.


Once you get out of Tampa proper things look better.  I'll admit to 
not spending a lot of time in FL.  I first went to ocoee, lakeland and 
orlando in 1974.  Everything was dry, brown, or irrigated and a lot of 
what I saw looked junky.  Combined with the old folks, I had no desire 
to ever go back.  I went back about 30 years later,  we drove down the 
west cost to Naples.  Except Tampa, it was nice.  We drove across 
alligator alley, down to some of the keys and back up to miami.  That 
is another armpit of the world.  The north burbs of miami got nice 
again.  From there we went up to cape Canaveral and then headed 
northwest to I 10. Since then I've been to mouseville a couple of 
times, but avoid the mouse.


I know, the Tampa C of C won't hire me.





Dan


 On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an 
opening there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen 
as why would I want to move there for the same job.


 Sent from my iPhone


 Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city 
in the USA.  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a 
turd world city.   On the plus side, there are some nice 
neighborhoods, great cuban sandwiches, palm trees and guava 
turnovers.   Oh, and a few old MBs.  You won't freeze your pitootie, 
or shovel snow, but you will sweat all year round, and in the summer 
it is unbearable.  The humidity will rust your tools and cars.  Okie 
city looks pretty good in comparison, and I think it is smaller 
(metro area)


 If you go further inland, like Pasco county, the prices are lower 
and the population is more sparse, but you have a longer drive to 
tampa or mouslando airports.   That is a generally depressed area 
since the oranges are not grown there anymore.


 Pass the shaker of salt as you read this...  I've never lived 
there, but know folks who do.  But the first sentence is hard 
truth.  I have lived in coastal areas, so there is some credibility.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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Subscribe to the Tampa Bay Times, get your wife to read the crime stories and 
other stories about the area. She might change her mind.
http://eedition.tampabay.com/
Gerrywho lived there a number of years and still shops in that area.


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> Subject: [MBZ] Tampa
> 
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> > How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
> > there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
> > want to move there for the same job.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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Never been. The locals get all moist about the place, I'm not sure why.

When I'm this close to the water, I want seafood, not beef.  That's not to say 
I don't like a good steak, but not enough to pay the kind of money Bern's wants 
for one.

Sort of like going to Ruth's Chris. Lots of hype, everything ala carte. Stupid 
expensive.

Dan

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> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
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> 
> Bern's Steak House though
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It's tough to make blanket statements based on observations that were made some 
years ago...

The area along 41 you describe is pretty industrialized and blighted, for sure. 
It would definitely be one of the spots I would point out as being nasty.

And yes, orange groves are being affected by what I believe is known as citrus 
canker.  Groves to the north have been most affected, which would be those 
closer to Gerry, for example, and to the east of them as well.  This would also 
go along with your comments about Pasco County and citrus, as the areas you're 
referring to are in far north and east Pasco, such as Dade City.

The interior parts of Florida can be junky, dated, and rather rural, for sure. 
If you get out to someplace like Auburndale or Lake Wales it's like going back 
in time, maybe even a little frightening in some respects. These are areas that 
have been economically depressed for decades, and will continue to be.  A 
really good example of this is up by Gerry in the Citrus County (Citrus 
Springs, Holder) area. There are areas of developed streets with no homes on 
them that were laid out in the 50s and 60s that literally go on for miles. Not 
a house in sight, no nothing. Creepy and a bit unsettling - sort of like a 
Twilight Zone episode.

"Old Florida" is just that, and it still exists. I know what you describe from 
the 70s, as we visited here often when I was a kid. Shabby, cruddy, rough 
around the edges, for sure.

I guess my point is that I could take you from a nice Midwestern neighborhood 
and drop you into mine, and if you ignored the architecture and flora, you 
couldn't tell the difference.  For that matter, I could show you some really 
nasty areas in Milwaukee or Indianapolis that would be as bad or worse than 
some of the similar areas down here.

Dan

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On Jan 12, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Link, please?  It was on the radio.  Sorry, I don't have a link.  I am sure 
>> tha part you live in is nice.
> 
> I was there in the years you were not there.  Otherwise, I'd have let you 
> show me the wonderfulness.  I was there in Jan and Dec., so maybe it only 
> looks junky, and has dirt and trash blowing across the street in the 
> Christmas season.   That was driving south along Hwy 41 in Tampa.
> 
> The reports I hear are that the orange groves are being killed off statewide 
> by some disease there is no cure for, and repeated crop losses from frost 
> have cause a lot of groves in the north/central parts of FL to be bulldozed 
> or abandoned.  A friend of mine has been working with major orange growers 
> for years to find viable replacement crops.
> 
> The folks I know who live in Pasco county paint a different picture than you 
> do.  There used to be a juice plant there.  It shut down because of the lack 
> of oranges.  They say it is a depressed and depressing area.  They don't like 
> to go to Tampa because of the crime.  My view of tampa is tainted by their 
> stories.
> 
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
> 
> I did list some of the good things about tampa.  I did not list the weather, 
> because that is a given, unless you can't take the heat. There are a lot of 
> people who like fall, winter and spring with cool/cold weather.  I figure 
> people know it is hot 3/4 to 9/10 of the year.
> 
> Once you get out of Tampa proper things look better.  I'll admit to not 
> spending a lot of time in FL.  I first went to ocoee, lakeland and orlando in 
> 1974.  Everything was dry, brown, or irrigated and a lot of what I saw looked 
> junky.  Combined with the old folks, I had no desire to ever go back.  I went 
> back about 30 years later,  we drove down the west cost to Naples.  Except 
> Tampa, it was nice.  We drove across alligator alley, down to some of the 
> keys and back up to miami.  That is another armpit of the world.  The north 
> burbs of miami got nice again.  From there we went up to cape Canaveral and 
> then headed northwest to I 10.  Since then I've been to mouseville a couple 
> of times, but avoid the mouse.
> 
> I know, the Tampa C of C won't hire me.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
 there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
 want to move there for the same job.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city in the 
>>> USA.  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a turd world city. 
>>>   On the plus side, there are some nice neighborhoods, great cuban 
>>> sandwiches, palm trees and guava turnovers.   Oh, and a few old MBs.  You 
>>> won't freeze your pitootie, or shovel snow, but you will sweat all year 
>>> round, and in the summer it is unbearable.  The humidity will rust your 
>>> tools 

Re: [MBZ] Tampa

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> The game is called "Germany or Florida" for a reason. I suspect Florida 
> hillbillies make Okie hicks look debonair, and sophisticated.
> Rick 
> Who makes no bones about being considered a "Hoosier Hick". ‎‎
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Florida, Hoosier, and Okie hicks are pretty similar except that Florida hicks 
are meaner and tougher.
Gerry...former Hoosier hick, now Florida hick.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I went once on someone else's nickel, it was a fun time and the food was 
good as was the tour of the facilities (the floor in the kitchen was 
probably cleaner than the plates in most restaurants) and the wine 
cellars.  They had tanks full of live fish in the kitchen, if you want 
fish you go point to one and it becomes your supper.


We had a table of maybe 20 people, the waiter stood there and took every 
order with every permutation of steak and doneness imaginable, along 
with sides, no paper, and everything arrived perfectly.  An astounding feat.


--R

On 1/12/16 10:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Never been. The locals get all moist about the place, I'm not sure why.

When I'm this close to the water, I want seafood, not beef.  That's not to say 
I don't like a good steak, but not enough to pay the kind of money Bern's wants 
for one.

Sort of like going to Ruth's Chris. Lots of hype, everything ala carte. Stupid 
expensive.

Dan

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On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

Bern's Steak House though

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I assume the URL referrs to hizzoner mayor rahm.  Interesting website.



Well, it ain't Chicago  http://heyjackass.com/

--R

On 1/12/16 4:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:


Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to 
keep up with

all the scary news.


My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester 
so the murder

rate is very small...

Actually, that's about 10x the national average.
If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
nationwide.


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Turns out both he and I were wrong. Worcester has more like 185,000 people and 
the rate for 2013 was 9 per 100,000 so maybe 18 total. Thats still more than 
twice the average US rate but I'd suggest that the average rate is skewed down 
by lower population areas.NYC is a shining start though at 4 per 100,000, 
Chicago is high at more than 15 with Detroit leading at 529 per 100,000.
Looking down the list Worcester isn't even kind of in the running...
-Curt
 

  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa
   


> On January 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of
> scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with
> all the scary news.
> 
> 
> My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
> Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the murder
> rate is very small...

Actually, that's about 10x the national average. 
If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year
nationwide. 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> > Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of 
> > scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up 
> > with all the scary news.
> > My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
> > Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the 
> > murder rate is very small...
> 
> Actually, that's about 10x the national average. 
> If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year 
> nationwide.
Mitch 
~~
No one wants to be murdered, and no one wants to be the victim of violent crime 
which is much more common; so violent crime is a better index by which to judge 
a city.
Tampa is not as bad as St.Petersburg, its neighboring city across the bay, but 
it's not good either:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Tampa-Florida.html

Gerry

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Look at the trending though, its come way down, assaults are half, robberies 
are a quarter, burglaries down a by two thirds ALL of those statistics are way 
down...
-Curt
 

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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa
   
Curt Raymond wrote:
> > Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of 
> > scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up 
> > with all the scary news.
> > My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in
> > Worcester last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the 
> > murder rate is very small...
> 
> Actually, that's about 10x the national average. 
> If 330 million people kept up that average, we'd have 100k murders a year 
> nationwide.
Mitch 
~~
No one wants to be murdered, and no one wants to be the victim of violent crime 
which is much more common; so violent crime is a better index by which to judge 
a city.
Tampa is not as bad as St.Petersburg, its neighboring city across the bay, but 
it's not good either:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Tampa-Florida.html

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s all the Scientologists.

Dan not Xenu


> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:18 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No one wants to be murdered, and no one wants to be the victim of violent 
> crime which is much more common; so violent crime is a better index by which 
> to judge a city.
> Tampa is not as bad as St.Petersburg, its neighboring city across the bay, 
> but it's not good either:
> 
> http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Tampa-Florida.html
> 
> Gerry
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Read the crime stories anywhere, the newspapers are all in the business of 
scaring you. The idea being to get you to buy more newspapers to keep up with 
all the scary news.


My wife's grandfather once told me "You know there were 70 murders in Worcester 
last year?" There are like 200,000 people in Worcester so the murder rate is 
very small...



Curt

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Date:Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:24 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Tampa

Subscribe to the Tampa Bay Times, get your wife to read the crime stories and 
other stories about the area. She might change her mind.
http://eedition.tampabay.com/
Gerrywho lived there a number of years and still shops in that area.


> Don't!
> Wilton
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> Subject: [MBZ] Tampa
> 
> 
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> > there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
> > want to move there for the same job.
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh it would make no sense to move out there. The Tampa/Orlando markets 
combined are smaller than my market here so I would presume the pay 
would be the same, possibly less.  It would only make sense if we wanted 
to move there anyway which I would not want to, but the wife does!  I 
would have to live way out of town to stick to my okie ways.


On 1/11/2016 7:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Tough to say without something to compare to.

Typical suburban home would be around 2,000-2,500 SF with a pool would cost 
around $250k or more depending on the area.  Not a lot of open land real close 
to Tampa, but I’m about 30 minutes away from downtown and another 20-30 minutes 
puts you in some rural areas where you could have a place comparable to what 
you have now, I suspect.

No income tax, but car and home insurance is more expensive.

Stay away from Whorelando.  You would hate it there and it’s a completely 
insane place due to the “attractions”.  The Mouse runs just about everything 
and pretty much sets the wage scales for anything that isn’t a professional 
job.  It’s a lot hotter and nastier in the warmer months, too.

If you have specific questions let me know.  Also, we’ve had this conversation 
before, Kaleb.  You NEVER come out ahead when you relocate. Period.  It sounds 
liek youv’e got a good gig and a nice place where you are.

Dan




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How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening there 
and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I want to 
move there for the same job.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No fuel gelling for one thing - -

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening
> there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I
> want to move there for the same job.
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 11, 2016 at 8:07 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? 


Not as expensive as it is to drag 50 defunct MBZ from Oklahoma to Florida. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tough to say without something to compare to.

Typical suburban home would be around 2,000-2,500 SF with a pool would cost 
around $250k or more depending on the area.  Not a lot of open land real close 
to Tampa, but I’m about 30 minutes away from downtown and another 20-30 minutes 
puts you in some rural areas where you could have a place comparable to what 
you have now, I suspect.

No income tax, but car and home insurance is more expensive.

Stay away from Whorelando.  You would hate it there and it’s a completely 
insane place due to the “attractions”.  The Mouse runs just about everything 
and pretty much sets the wage scales for anything that isn’t a professional 
job.  It’s a lot hotter and nastier in the warmer months, too.

If you have specific questions let me know.  Also, we’ve had this conversation 
before, Kaleb.  You NEVER come out ahead when you relocate. Period.  It sounds 
liek youv’e got a good gig and a nice place where you are.

Dan



> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
> there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
> want to move there for the same job.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have more than 80 probably

On 1/11/2016 7:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On January 11, 2016 at 8:07 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area?


Not as expensive as it is to drag 50 defunct MBZ from Oklahoma to Florida.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

HAHAHAHA

On 1/11/2016 7:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

No fuel gelling for one thing - -

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening
there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I
want to move there for the same job.







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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 11, 2016 at 8:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have more than 80 probably

Maybe she wants to move so far you can't take them with you. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Don't!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:07 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Tampa


How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an opening 
there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen as why would I 
want to move there for the same job.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

The game is called "Germany or Florida" for a reason. I suspect Florida 
hillbillies make Okie hicks look debonair, and sophisticated.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

How expensive is it to live in the Tampa/Orlando area? We have an 
opening there and my wife wants to move there. It will never happen 
as why would I want to move there for the same job.


Sent from my iPhone


Tampa made the news a couple days ago as the least desirable city in 
the USA.  It has high crime, it is dirty and looks much like a turd 
world city.   On the plus side, there are some nice neighborhoods, 
great cuban sandwiches, palm trees and guava turnovers.   Oh, and a 
few old MBs.  You won't freeze your pitootie, or shovel snow, but you 
will sweat all year round, and in the summer it is unbearable.  The 
humidity will rust your tools and cars.  Okie city looks pretty good 
in comparison, and I think it is smaller (metro area)


If you go further inland, like Pasco county, the prices are lower and 
the population is more sparse, but you have a longer drive to tampa 
or mouslando airports.   That is a generally depressed area since the 
oranges are not grown there anymore.


Pass the shaker of salt as you read this...  I've never lived there, 
but know folks who do.  But the first sentence is hard  truth.  I 
have lived in coastal areas, so there is some credibility.


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Dan Penoff]

Not that it matters, but I would add that Dana is married with two teenagers 
that he speaks of frequently. Just wanted that clarification so it was 
understood he wasn't part of the dating pool

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 On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across something
 shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you about a
 lack of honesty and depth in their lives
 
 they are strange creatures
 
 
 On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:
 
 I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very nice,
 a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
 looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally a
 rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in Southern
 California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.
 
 As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't handle
 such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.
 
 We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
 one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as hetero
 as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.
 
 As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
 completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors I
 had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen of
 code switching in my life.
 
 Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it all
 afternoon.
 
 Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's even
 competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:
 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Gary Hurst]

yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across something
shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you about a
lack of honesty and depth in their lives

they are strange creatures


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:

 I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very nice,
 a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
 looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally a
 rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in Southern
 California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.

 As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't handle
 such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.

 We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
 one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as hetero
 as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.

 As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
 completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors I
 had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen of
 code switching in my life.

 Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it all
 afternoon.

 Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's even
 competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.

 Dan


 On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:

  Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please
 pardon the redundancy.
 
  TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT
 
  While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland,
 in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in Co.
 Springs; also visited with 'im at least 3 times, twice in Co. Springs and
 once at Sondy. On one of my trips to Co. Springs, Gen Paulk and I noticed
 each other as we were getting on an airplane at Denver. Gen. Paulk talked
 to stewardess, who got guy in seat beside him to switch with me. As we were
 arriving at Co. Springs, Gen. Paulk inquired of me, Wilt, do you have a
 ride to your hotel? I responded, No, Sir, but I'm picking up an Air Force
 car at Peterson AFB Motor Pool. He replied, Ride with me, then, I'll drop
 you off. While The Gen. and I were waiting for our bags, a mighty
 fine-looking, young blond female captain (in civilian clothes) I had known
 in the B-52 unit in Michigan three or four years before came running toward
 me squealing, Wilton! Wilton!  Gen. Paulk and I were in uniform, but the
 fine-looking captain and I hugged enthusiastically, and chatted a bit, and,
 as our bags were showing up, she asked, Do have a ride Wilt? I'll drop you
 off somewhere if you need it. I replied, No thank you, I'm picking up an
 Air Force car at the base motor pool; Gen. Paulk's gonna drop me off
 there. As the fine young thing went prancing off in her high heels, Gen.
 Paulk said, Wilt, you're dumber than I thought; I'da gone with HER. I
 replied, Well, I guess that shows how tough I am, too, doesn't it?
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS
 
 
  This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list
 topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have
 overshadowed nearly everything else.
 
  Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings.
 Posting political topics will get you moderated.
 
  I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit
 Delete.
 
  Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please.
 
  ListDan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
  YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here
 
 
 http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html
 
  http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html
 
  --R
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Rich Thomas]

I fail to see how any of this is Mercedes related.

--R


On 4/14/14 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across something
shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you about a
lack of honesty and depth in their lives

they are strange creatures


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:


Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:

I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very nice,
a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally a
rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in Southern
California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.

As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't handle
such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.

We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as hetero
as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.

As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors I
had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen of
code switching in my life.

Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it all
afternoon.

Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's even
competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.

Dan


On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:


Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please

pardon the redundancy.

TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT

While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland,

in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in Co.
Springs; also visited with 'im at least 3 times, twice in Co. Springs and
once at Sondy. On one of my trips to Co. Springs, Gen Paulk and I noticed
each other as we were getting on an airplane at Denver. Gen. Paulk talked
to stewardess, who got guy in seat beside him to switch with me. As we were
arriving at Co. Springs, Gen. Paulk inquired of me, Wilt, do you have a
ride to your hotel? I responded, No, Sir, but I'm picking up an Air Force
car at Peterson AFB Motor Pool. He replied, Ride with me, then, I'll drop
you off. While The Gen. and I were waiting for our bags, a mighty
fine-looking, young blond female captain (in civilian clothes) I had known
in the B-52 unit in Michigan three or four years before came running toward
me squealing, Wilton! Wilton!  Gen. Paulk and I were in uniform, but the
fine-looking captain and I hugged enthusiastically, and chatted a bit, and,
as our bags were showing up, she asked, Do have a ride Wilt? I'll drop you
off somewhere if you need it. I replied, No thank you, I'm picking up an
Air Force car at the base motor pool; Gen. Paulk's gonna drop me off
there. As the fine young thing went prancing off in her high heels, Gen.
Paulk said, Wilt, you're dumber than I thought; I'da gone with HER. I
replied, Well, I guess that shows how tough I am, too, doesn't it?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS



This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list

topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have
overshadowed nearly everything else.

Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings.

Posting political topics will get you moderated.

I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit

Delete.

Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please.

ListDan

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas 

richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here



http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[WILTON]

Diversity keeps our minds sharp for solving old MB stuff, know to use M1, do 
Italian tuneups, chase leaking electrons, and replace fuses, evaporators and 
other assorted bits.  ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale



I fail to see how any of this is Mercedes related.

--R


On 4/14/14 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across 
something
shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you about 
a

lack of honesty and depth in their lives

they are strange creatures


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:


Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:

I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very 
nice,

a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally 
a
rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in 
Southern

California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.

As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't 
handle

such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.

We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as 
hetero

as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.

As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors 
I
had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen 
of

code switching in my life.

Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it 
all

afternoon.

Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's even
competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.

Dan


On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:


Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please

pardon the redundancy.

TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT

While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland,
in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in 
Co.
Springs; also visited with 'im at least 3 times, twice in Co. Springs 
and
once at Sondy. On one of my trips to Co. Springs, Gen Paulk and I 
noticed
each other as we were getting on an airplane at Denver. Gen. Paulk 
talked
to stewardess, who got guy in seat beside him to switch with me. As we 
were

arriving at Co. Springs, Gen. Paulk inquired of me, Wilt, do you have a
ride to your hotel? I responded, No, Sir, but I'm picking up an Air 
Force
car at Peterson AFB Motor Pool. He replied, Ride with me, then, I'll 
drop

you off. While The Gen. and I were waiting for our bags, a mighty
fine-looking, young blond female captain (in civilian clothes) I had 
known
in the B-52 unit in Michigan three or four years before came running 
toward
me squealing, Wilton! Wilton!  Gen. Paulk and I were in uniform, but 
the
fine-looking captain and I hugged enthusiastically, and chatted a bit, 
and,
as our bags were showing up, she asked, Do have a ride Wilt? I'll drop 
you
off somewhere if you need it. I replied, No thank you, I'm picking up 
an

Air Force car at the base motor pool; Gen. Paulk's gonna drop me off
there. As the fine young thing went prancing off in her high heels, 
Gen.

Paulk said, Wilt, you're dumber than I thought; I'da gone with HER. I
replied, Well, I guess that shows how tough I am, too, doesn't it?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS



This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list
topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late 
have

overshadowed nearly everything else.

Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings.

Posting political topics will get you moderated.

I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit

Delete.

Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please.

ListDan

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas 

richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here



http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Gary Hurst]

shiny is what matters.  the rest are all just trivialities


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Not that it matters, but I would add that Dana is married with two
 teenagers that he speaks of frequently. Just wanted that clarification so
 it was understood he wasn't part of the dating pool

 Sent from my iPad

  On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across
 something
  shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you
 about a
  lack of honesty and depth in their lives
 
  they are strange creatures
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
  Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:
 
  I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very
 nice,
  a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
  looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally
 a
  rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in
 Southern
  California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.
 
  As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't
 handle
  such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.
 
  We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
  one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as
 hetero
  as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.
 
  As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
  completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors
 I
  had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen
 of
  code switching in my life.
 
  Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it
 all
  afternoon.
 
  Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's even
  competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.
 
  Dan
 
 
  On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:
 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Obvious Mercedes content:  If they appreciate shiny things, women may be
candidates for detailing engine compartments.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 shiny is what matters.  the rest are all just trivialities


 On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Not that it matters, but I would add that Dana is married with two
  teenagers that he speaks of frequently. Just wanted that clarification so
  it was understood he wasn't part of the dating pool
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
   On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across
  something
   shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you
  about a
   lack of honesty and depth in their lives
  
   they are strange creatures
  
  
   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
  
   Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:
  
   I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very
  nice,
   a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not
 a
   looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was
 literally
  a
   rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in
  Southern
   California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.
  
   As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't
  handle
   such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.
  
   We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came
 upon
   one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as
  hetero
   as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.
  
   As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
   completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc.,
 behaviors
  I
   had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen
  of
   code switching in my life.
  
   Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it
  all
   afternoon.
  
   Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's
 even
   competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.
  
   Dan
  
  
   On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Gary Hurst]

they often like the shiny but not the tedious process to make the shiny .
however, my white VW was painted by a woman who just liked painting cars
and it was better than factory quality



On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Obvious Mercedes content:  If they appreciate shiny things, women may be
 candidates for detailing engine compartments.


 On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  shiny is what matters.  the rest are all just trivialities
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
   Not that it matters, but I would add that Dana is married with two
   teenagers that he speaks of frequently. Just wanted that clarification
 so
   it was understood he wasn't part of the dating pool
  
   Sent from my iPad
  
On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
yup, that's how it works with the wimmens  when they come across
   something
shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you
   about a
lack of honesty and depth in their lives
   
they are strange creatures
   
   
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
   
Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:
   
I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very
   nice,
a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.
  Not
  a
looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was
  literally
   a
rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in
   Southern
California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.
   
As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't
   handle
such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.
   
We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came
  upon
one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as
   hetero
as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff,
 etc.
   
As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition
 changed
completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc.,
  behaviors
   I
had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever
 seen
   of
code switching in my life.
   
Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about
 it
   all
afternoon.
   
Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis.  She's
  even
competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.
   
Dan
   
   
On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote:
   
  
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

It's also suspicious, Rich.
Handsome director of security takes single (not a looker?) young female 
co-worker, off to a restaurant where no other employees go, to eat yuppy 
food which is a known aphrodisiac.


If he shows up with knots on his head from a well aimed skillet or 
rolling pin, we'll know that word got around.


Gerry

On 4/14/2014 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

I fail to see how any of this is Mercedes related.
--R

On 4/14/14 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
yup, that's how it works with the wimmens when they come across 
something
shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you 
about a

lack of honesty and depth in their lives they are strange creatures


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:


Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:

I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very 
nice,

a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was 
literally a
rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in 
Southern

California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.

As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't 
handle

such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.

We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as 
hetero

as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.

As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., 
behaviors I
had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever 
seen of

code switching in my life.

Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about 
it all

afternoon.

Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis. She's even
competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Tale

[Gary Hurst]

women aren't as tough as they used to be.  the days when they'd take the
cast iron to you seem long gone

people in general are a lot softer


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 It's also suspicious, Rich.
 Handsome director of security takes single (not a looker?) young female
 co-worker, off to a restaurant where no other employees go, to eat yuppy
 food which is a known aphrodisiac.

 If he shows up with knots on his head from a well aimed skillet or rolling
 pin, we'll know that word got around.

 Gerry


 On 4/14/2014 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 I fail to see how any of this is Mercedes related.
 --R

 On 4/14/14 10:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 yup, that's how it works with the wimmens when they come across something
 shiny, they all just fall apart in love.  then they complain to you
 about a
 lack of honesty and depth in their lives they are strange creatures


 On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale:

 I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s.  She's very
 nice,
 a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers.  Not a
 looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person.  Her Dad was literally
 a
 rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in
 Southern
 California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her.

 As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't
 handle
 such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie.

 We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon
 one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana.  Now mind you, I'm as
 hetero
 as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc.

 As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed
 completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors
 I
 had never seen her exhibit.  One of the best examples I have ever seen
 of
 code switching in my life.

 Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it
 all
 afternoon.

 Oh - she's a car person, too.  BMWs and the original Minis. She's even
 competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring.

 Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida now Miami

[Dan Penoff]

He still does this occasionally on his angry rich white guy podcast.

I have to admit he has set a major precedent with monetizing podcasting. It 
will be interesting to see if he is successful with it long term.

He has Drew doing podcasts on the Carolla Digital network now.

I like Dr. Drew, but I can't help but wonder if he's greedy, a workaholic, a 
media whore, or all of the above...

Dan

On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:45 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 The game was Florida or Germany when Adam Carolla and Drew Pinsky were on 
 the radio show Love Line. 
 
 Rick
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
 
 See 
 http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2011/02/strange-addictions-glass-eater-florida-or-ohio/
  for an explanation of the game Florida or Ohio.  Does this help make 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida now Miami

[Rick Knoble]

On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I like Dr. Drew, but I can't help but wonder if he's greedy, a workaholic, a 
 media whore, or all of the above...


All of the above. 

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north of us 
(Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration of limestone 
nearer the surface.

We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets away, that 
had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a sinkhole as much as it 
was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's pretty obvious when you see 
this instability begin, as the walls and foundation of the house start to crack 
pretty significantly.

This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue with the 
ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the insurance company and 
sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners spent about $35k 
stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted out.

Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be disclosed in 
any sales documents.

Dan




My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend to 
be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings 
etc. I should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have 
steel reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even 
if the hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger 
unless it was big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old 
enough that it was not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not 
make it look to be a very good house.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Rich Thomas]

House was 40yo or so I saw, so who knows how it was built.  I vaguely 
recall it was concrete block, which would suggest a slab of some sort.  
Whether it had grade beams or such is questionable.  But if a big hole 
opens up


--R

On 3/4/13 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county 
north of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the 
concentration of limestone nearer the surface.


We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets 
away, that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a 
sinkhole as much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  
It's pretty obvious when you see this instability begin, as the walls 
and foundation of the house start to crack pretty significantly.


This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue 
with the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the 
insurance company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new 
owners spent about $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the 
structure sorted out.


Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be 
disclosed in any sales documents.


Dan




My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend 
to be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with 
footings etc. I should have thought that the slab would be concrete 
and have steel reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have 
thought that even if the hole upened up under the house, no one would 
be in real danger unless it was big enough to swallow the whole house. 
Was this house old enough that it was not very well builtl? The photos 
on the news did not make it look to be a very good house.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Randy Bennell]

Yeah but . . .  my garage floor is a concrete pad and there is steel 
rebar tied together on a grid of about 2 feet. If the ground opened up 
under it and the concrete sagged, I would not expect things the size of 
a bed and mattress to fall through the steel grid.
I am guessing that it had no reinforcing in the concrete unless the 
conditions are such that the steel had rusted away.


Randy


On 04/03/2013 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
House was 40yo or so I saw, so who knows how it was built.  I vaguely 
recall it was concrete block, which would suggest a slab of some 
sort.  Whether it had grade beams or such is questionable.  But if a 
big hole opens up


--R

On 3/4/13 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county 
north of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the 
concentration of limestone nearer the surface.


We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets 
away, that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a 
sinkhole as much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  
It's pretty obvious when you see this instability begin, as the 
walls and foundation of the house start to crack pretty significantly.


This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue 
with the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the 
insurance company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new 
owners spent about $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the 
structure sorted out.


Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be 
disclosed in any sales documents.


Dan




My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend 
to be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with 
footings etc. I should have thought that the slab would be concrete 
and have steel reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have 
thought that even if the hole upened up under the house, no one would 
be in real danger unless it was big enough to swallow the whole 
house. Was this house old enough that it was not very well builtl? 
The photos on the news did not make it look to be a very good house.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Michael Canfield]

If a 30 foot hole were to open up under a bigger concrete slab the way they
are poured here it would not cave in like that.  I wonder if they did not
use rebar when they poured the slab 40yrs ago

Mike
On Mar 4, 2013 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

 House was 40yo or so I saw, so who knows how it was built.  I vaguely
 recall it was concrete block, which would suggest a slab of some sort.
  Whether it had grade beams or such is questionable.  But if a big hole
 opens up

 --R

 On 3/4/13 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

 Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north
 of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration of
 limestone nearer the surface.

 We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets away,
 that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a sinkhole as
 much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's pretty obvious
 when you see this instability begin, as the walls and foundation of the
 house start to crack pretty significantly.

 This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue with
 the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the insurance
 company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners spent about
 $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted out.

 Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be
 disclosed in any sales documents.

 Dan



 My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend to
 be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings etc.
 I should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have steel
 reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even if the
 hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger unless it
 was big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old enough that
 it was not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not make it look to
 be a very good house.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[WILTON]

Probably no re-bar in this FL slab; likely just WWF (welded wire fabric - a 
heavy wire with 4 x 4 grid) at best, mainly to counter thermal expansion 
and contraction - try to reduce cracking.


Wilton

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Yeah but . . .  my garage floor is a concrete pad and there is steel rebar 
tied together on a grid of about 2 feet. If the ground opened up under it 
and the concrete sagged, I would not expect things the size of a bed and 
mattress to fall through the steel grid.
I am guessing that it had no reinforcing in the concrete unless the 
conditions are such that the steel had rusted away.


Randy


On 04/03/2013 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
House was 40yo or so I saw, so who knows how it was built.  I vaguely 
recall it was concrete block, which would suggest a slab of some sort. 
Whether it had grade beams or such is questionable.  But if a big hole 
opens up


--R

On 3/4/13 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north 
of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration 
of limestone nearer the surface.


We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets 
away, that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a 
sinkhole as much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's 
pretty obvious when you see this instability begin, as the walls and 
foundation of the house start to crack pretty significantly.


This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue with 
the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the insurance 
company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners spent 
about $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted out.


Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be 
disclosed in any sales documents.


Dan




My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend to 
be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings 
etc. I should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have 
steel reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even 
if the hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger 
unless it was big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old 
enough that it was not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not 
make it look to be a very good house.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Brian Toscano]

Yeah Florida didn't really had great codes until Hurricane Andrew.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:23 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Probably no re-bar in this FL slab; likely just WWF (welded wire fabric -
 a heavy wire with 4 x 4 grid) at best, mainly to counter thermal
 expansion and contraction - try to reduce cracking.

 Wilton

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 Yeah but . . .  my garage floor is a concrete pad and there is steel
 rebar tied together on a grid of about 2 feet. If the ground opened up
 under it and the concrete sagged, I would not expect things the size of a
 bed and mattress to fall through the steel grid.
 I am guessing that it had no reinforcing in the concrete unless the
 conditions are such that the steel had rusted away.

 Randy



 On 04/03/2013 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 House was 40yo or so I saw, so who knows how it was built.  I vaguely
 recall it was concrete block, which would suggest a slab of some sort.
 Whether it had grade beams or such is questionable.  But if a big hole
 opens up

 --R

 On 3/4/13 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.

 Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north
 of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration of
 limestone nearer the surface.

 We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets
 away, that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a 
 sinkhole
 as much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's pretty
 obvious when you see this instability begin, as the walls and foundation 
 of
 the house start to crack pretty significantly.

 This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue
 with the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the
 insurance company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners
 spent about $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted
 out.

 Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be
 disclosed in any sales documents.

 Dan



 My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend
 to be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings
 etc. I should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have steel
 reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even if the
 hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger unless it
 was big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old enough that
 it was not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not make it look to
 be a very good house.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Dan Penoff]

True. Nearly everything, at least in this part of the state, is slab on grade.

And yes, it's got rebar in it. However, in the non-load bearing portions it can 
be pretty thin from the construction I have seen.

Their are footers poured around the perimeter to support the walls, but 
otherwise there is nothing under the slab.

When you consider that there are no footers or beams in the center of the 
house, if the ground below it simply disappears the house is going to follow it 
right down the hole.

If you read the details of the story it explains how the sinkhole opened up in 
the center of the house.  This explains why the walls were still standing, as 
the area under the exterior walls had not collapsed.

Dan

On Mar 4, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.
 
 Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north of us 
 (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration of limestone 
 nearer the surface.
 
 We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets away, 
 that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a sinkhole as 
 much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's pretty obvious 
 when you see this instability begin, as the walls and foundation of the 
 house start to crack pretty significantly.
 
 This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue with the 
 ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the insurance company 
 and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners spent about $35k 
 stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted out.
 
 Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be disclosed in 
 any sales documents.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend to be 
 built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings etc. I 
 should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have steel 
 reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even if the 
 hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger unless it was 
 big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old enough that it was 
 not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not make it look to be a 
 very good house.
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Michael Canfield]

Around here the rebar is tied into the footers all the way across the
slab.  No way the middle is going to fall out of a 4 slab.

Mike
On Mar 4, 2013 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 True. Nearly everything, at least in this part of the state, is slab on
 grade.

 And yes, it's got rebar in it. However, in the non-load bearing portions
 it can be pretty thin from the construction I have seen.

 Their are footers poured around the perimeter to support the walls, but
 otherwise there is nothing under the slab.

 When you consider that there are no footers or beams in the center of the
 house, if the ground below it simply disappears the house is going to
 follow it right down the hole.

 If you read the details of the story it explains how the sinkhole opened
 up in the center of the house.  This explains why the walls were still
 standing, as the area under the exterior walls had not collapsed.

 Dan

 On Mar 4, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

  On 01/03/2013 5:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
  About 5-6 miles from me as the crow flies.
 
  Sinkholes aren't as common in our area as they are to the county north
 of us (Pasco) where the water table is higher as is the concentration of
 limestone nearer the surface.
 
  We had a home in our old neighborhood, which is just a few streets
 away, that had an issue with ground stability.  It wasn't really a sinkhole
 as much as it was the area consisting primarily of fill.  It's pretty
 obvious when you see this instability begin, as the walls and foundation of
 the house start to crack pretty significantly.
 
  This particular house was worth about $250k-$300k. After the issue with
 the ground stability came up, it ended up being bought by the insurance
 company and sold for something like $80k as-is.  The new owners spent about
 $35k stabilizing the ground and getting the structure sorted out.
 
  Look at it now and you would never know.  However, it has to be
 disclosed in any sales documents.
 
  Dan
 
 
 
  My understanding, for what it is worth, is that homes in Florida tend to
 be built on slabs and not have basements or grade beams with footings etc.
 I should have thought that the slab would be concrete and have steel
 reinforcement of some form. If so, I should have thought that even if the
 hole upened up under the house, no one would be in real danger unless it
 was big enough to swallow the whole house. Was this house old enough that
 it was not very well builtl? The photos on the news did not make it look to
 be a very good house.
 
  Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[Randy Bennell]

On 04/03/2013 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

True. Nearly everything, at least in this part of the state, is slab on grade.

And yes, it's got rebar in it. However, in the non-load bearing portions it can 
be pretty thin from the construction I have seen.

Their are footers poured around the perimeter to support the walls, but 
otherwise there is nothing under the slab.

When you consider that there are no footers or beams in the center of the 
house, if the ground below it simply disappears the house is going to follow it 
right down the hole.

If you read the details of the story it explains how the sinkhole opened up in 
the center of the house.  This explains why the walls were still standing, as 
the area under the exterior walls had not collapsed.

Dan


That would be like basements here. There are footings under the basement 
walls and they as well as the walls have steel rebar in them but the 
floor is poured after and is just concrete and often only a couple of 
inches thick. It cracks all over the place of course but rarely shifts 
enough to cause much trouble.


In Florida one  would not need to worry much about frost etc so it 
probably does not shift much except in a situation like this one.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom

[WILTON]

I used ('til 30-40 years ago, anyway) to see lotsa slabs poured in NC 
without rebar - only WWF; even helped with several as a teenager - 60 years 
ago.
I'd bet that, if a builder could've poured a slab without rebar anywhere, he 
would've.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tampa Florida man swallowed by sinkhole under bedroom



On 04/03/2013 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
True. Nearly everything, at least in this part of the state, is slab on 
grade.


And yes, it's got rebar in it. However, in the non-load bearing portions 
it can be pretty thin from the construction I have seen.


Their are footers poured around the perimeter to support the walls, but 
otherwise there is nothing under the slab.


When you consider that there are no footers or beams in the center of the 
house, if the ground below it simply disappears the house is going to 
follow it right down the hole.


If you read the details of the story it explains how the sinkhole opened 
up in the center of the house.  This explains why the walls were still 
standing, as the area under the exterior walls had not collapsed.


Dan


That would be like basements here. There are footings under the basement 
walls and they as well as the walls have steel rebar in them but the floor 
is poured after and is just concrete and often only a couple of inches 
thick. It cracks all over the place of course but rarely shifts enough to 
cause much trouble.


In Florida one  would not need to worry much about frost etc so it 
probably does not shift much except in a situation like this one.


Randy

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