Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:19:10 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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> Here is the link, lots of other useful / fun reading too.
> 
> http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm#mictsthvd

http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Repair.html is the main Table of
Contents. It shows LOTS of useful information.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

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> On November 24, 2019 at 1:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I remember those from when I was a kid. Our neighbors had one with two dials, 
> best control system for a microwave I've ever seen. I'd have one if they made 
> a small model.Small microwaves today are all junk. They're cheap but don't 
> work well and don't last...

My little pushbutton Samsung Carousel II has given me zero trouble.
As best as I can recall it's the only one I've used that went more than ten 
years with every display segment still working.
Bought it on sale in the Fall of 1992 for $60. Boxed it up from fall 1993 to 
spring 2012, been in constant use for since then. I wish I could trust a new 
$60 microwave to match that performance.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I remember those from when I was a kid. Our neighbors had one with two dials, 
best control system for a microwave I've ever seen. I'd have one if they made a 
small model.Small microwaves today are all junk. They're cheap but don't work 
well and don't last...
Curt

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  On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey via 
Mercedes wrote:   > Amana  built quality stuff back 
then.  I consider it the 240D of microwaves.

I love ours.  It's been in use since the house was built in 1978.  Equivalent
price today would be something like $3000, and it's built like it.  I've 
repaired
it several times.  Bad electrolytic capacitors in the touch panel, fatigued 
fuses,
and broken door springs.  Oh, and a glass floor dish.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Amana  built quality stuff back then.  I consider it the 240D of microwaves.

I love ours.  It's been in use since the house was built in 1978.  Equivalent
price today would be something like $3000, and it's built like it.  I've 
repaired
it several times.  Bad electrolytic capacitors in the touch panel, fatigued 
fuses,
and broken door springs.  Oh, and a glass floor dish.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I saved the info for future reference.

I liked the comment at the end about the original Amana radar ranges.   
They do indeed "run forever"   I got one at the university junk sale 20+ 
years ago without the glass dish at the bottom.  I never found a used 
glass dish, so I bought a new one for more than the price of the oven. 
It still is in use up Nort.   It works fine.   Amana  built quality 
stuff back then.  I consider it the 240D of microwaves.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 24, 2019 at 7:19 AM
I was going to send this but got interrupted. Probably a good thing,
looks like your diodes are not high voltage with a big power drop.
Maybe useful later.

Do you know how to test high voltage diodes? I found a good test for
the big diode in a microwave, using a car battery and a resistor in
series with the diode. Measure the voltage drop on the diode, should
be 6 volts with the diode allowing current (proper orientation) and
then full battery voltage when you reverse the orientation. 12v
should be more than enough to flow current, a typical DMM using a 9v
battery is usually not enough voltage to test a big HV diode.

Here is the link, lots of other useful / fun reading too.

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm#mictsthvd

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I was going to send this but got interrupted.  Probably a good thing,
looks like your diodes are not high voltage with a big power drop.
Maybe useful later.

Do you know how to test high voltage diodes?  I found a good test for
the big diode in a microwave, using a car battery and a resistor in
series with the diode. Measure the voltage drop on the diode, should
be 6 volts with the diode allowing current (proper orientation) and
then full battery voltage when you reverse the orientation.  12v
should be more than enough to flow current, a typical DMM using a 9v
battery is usually not enough voltage to test a big HV diode.

Here is the link, lots of other useful / fun reading too.

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm#mictsthvd

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

You are measuring junction voltage while conducting a dribble of current.  The 
voltage drop across the junction is largely irrelevant, other than that the 
smaller it is the less energy is wasted as heat.  This might matter in some 
kind of sensitive analog circuit, but this is a  brute force power application. 
 Junction voltage varies with the current through it, the junction temperature, 
and the exact chemical process details.  There is no single number to measure 
or compare.

If it works well, great.  It's possible that your new diodes are just better 
than the old, or that the failing one had partially failed for some time before 
it died.  Hard to know.  Chances are that you only had to replace the one dead 
one to be fully back in business.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's good news!
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Charleston SC


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dunno if its my imagination or not, but it seems like the welder is
> better now than before the diode blew.   The welds this afternoon are
> smoother so either I am improving or the welder is smoother now with the
> mostly new diodes.I don't think I improved that much, so I think it
> is the new diodes.
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dunno if its my imagination or not, but it seems like the welder is 
better now than before the diode blew.   The welds this afternoon are 
smoother so either I am improving or the welder is smoother now with the 
mostly new diodes.    I don't think I improved that much, so I think it 
is the new diodes.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:03:32 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> Here is the instruction
> https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/best-practices/test-tools-basics/digital-multimeters/how-to-test-diodes-using-a-digital-multimeter
> 
> My fluke does not have a diode setting, but my old ECG meter does.   I 
> used the ecg meter.  for some reason it reads 2.63 open circuit; and
> red to -.  but forward (red to +) it reads correctly.

The meter has (or mimics) a constant current source. In the forward
direction, the current goes through the diode and biases it into
conduction. The meter then reads the voltage drop across the diode.

In the reverse direction with a good diode, there is very little current
flowing through the diode and the current source goes to its open circuit
voltage, typically causing the meter to read infinity or its digits to
flash.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is the instruction
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/best-practices/test-tools-basics/digital-multimeters/how-to-test-diodes-using-a-digital-multimeter

My fluke does not have a diode setting, but my old ECG meter does.   I 
used the ecg meter.  for some reason it reads 2.63 open circuit; and red 
to -.  but forward (red to +) it reads correctly.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 1:16 PM
What are you measuring?


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

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What are you measuring?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2019-11-23  10:39 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Meade 
Dillon via Mercedes  Cc: Curley McLain 
<126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question) Got 12 diodes 
that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are around .49.    So 
most were weak and one bad.   I think the rain has stopped, so its time to put 
humpthy together again and see if it will melt steel.> Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM> So are 
you back to melting steel yet?> -> Max> Charleston 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How many diodes does it take to make a buzz box buzz like a buzz box 
should?   In this case 12.   It no longer has a loud buzz, but buzzes 
like a buzz box should. I declare success!


Jim,  You are undoubtedly right, however I figured balancing the 
readings is like balancing the injector nozzles on a good Diesel.   I 
took the 12 highest and closest between the new and old.


The reference I read said they should be .50 or above.  quibbling over 
.49 or .50, I agree is not significant.  My meter could be off by .01 
easily.   It is off my 2-3 ohms on the ohmmeter setting, I know.



Jim Cathey 
November 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM

I don't think that kind of difference is generally significant. It's 
like weighing crowbars,

and quibbling about an ounce or two.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Got 12 diodes that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are 
> around .49.So most were weak and one bad.

I don't think that kind of difference is generally significant.  It's like 
weighing crowbars,
and quibbling about an ounce or two.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Got 12 diodes that test .53 or above.  Found one bad one and 7 that are 
around .49.    So most were weak and one bad.   I think the rain has 
stopped, so its time to put humpthy together again and see if it will 
melt steel.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM
So are you back to melting steel yet?
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The new diodes are in. Unfortunately when I went back to fleabay, I 
ordered the bag of 10 in place of the bag of 20 by mistake.   I am about 
to set to testing diodes.  I have to decide if I should replace just the 
one that is bad, or replace 10 and reuse 2 old ones.   I had intended to 
replace all 12.   As soon as I segregate bad from new and good, I'll 
start putting humpty back together again.


Then, I hope the melting steel begins again.    No old microwaves to use 
though.   Sorry Jim.


But if I hang around Jim and Rich long enough, I may start designing 
circuits sometime.


(Actually in the 80s, when Revent wanted $200 for a timer buzzer, I went 
to radiojunk and bought 12vDC buzzers and transformers and full wave 
bridge rectifiers and built my own.   THat way I could make each oven 
have a distinct sound so we could tell from a distance which oven had 
timed out.  There were 3 double rack double chamber revents and 3 
rotating ovens.    We had one guy that was deaf, so I added a red rotary 
light to one oven for him as a visual timer.)



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:50 AM
So are you back to melting steel yet?
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So are you back to melting steel yet?
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

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> Curley wrote:

> I have the rectifier assembly out.  It has 12   25 Amp button
> diodes. At least 1 has been replaced.  It has a number AR25G  I
> found a spec sheet but it seems to be an obsolete number.
> Found 25 on fleabay for $22, but no spec other than 25A. I'd
> rather nor wait a week for them to get here, and I'd like to
> have other specs to compare.

Knowing what is in there is 25 A, 400 V, package type "AR" you
just need to find anything that will mount and has specs no less
than the above.

I found this cross reference
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/components/motorola/_dataBooks/1992_Motorola_Rectifier_Device_Data.pdf

It shows a Motorola MR2504 to be a replacement.

>   mouser and digikey come up blank.

MR2504 shows obsolete...
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ON-Semiconductor/MR2504?qs=%2Fha2pyFaduh1l%2FY5PNUdJIk3hRSB0ECJvJYrtuCc4qk%3D

Also look for ARS25G, GI2504, RA253, RA254.  They also cross to the MR2504

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have the rectifier assembly out.  It has 12   25 Amp button diodes.  
At least 1 has been replaced.  It has a number AR25G  I found a spec 
sheet but it seems to be an obsolete number.   Found 25 on fleabay for 
$22, but no spec other than 25A. I'd rather nor wait a week for them to 
get here, and I'd like to have other specs to compare.


 mouser and digikey come up blank.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A my error.
Amend suggestion to "Take it back to the Lincoln dealer " , since they are
most likely to have both the parts and the schematic and history of failure
necessary to quickly and properly repair the welder.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:19 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Made by Lincoln, not in CHina.  Not HF.
>
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 11/12/19 12:54 PM:
> > Take the welder back to Harbor Freight... ask them to replace it with a
> new
> > one..
> > I bet they will
> > Worth a try, in any case..
> > They now have a quite good product support in place..
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, yes, but finding an exact replacement is problematic.
> >>
> >> See the last few posts on this thread, Page 1.
> >>
> >> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
> >>
> >> It has 6 button diodes.  Apparently similar to what is used in car
> >> alternators.   As of now, the volt and amp rating are unknown.
> >>
> >> this schematic shows the big brother 240V version of this welder, and if
> >> you look at the rectifier, mine is similar, but it only has one 6 diode
> >> rectifier.
> >> https://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/centurymig_troubleshooting.html
> >>
> >> Or I could buy/scrounge some other Full wave bridge rectifier.
> >> as seen in page 2 of this thread.
> >> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
> >> (Same as first link, but page 2.)
> >>
> >> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 10:59 PM:
> >>> Is the diode replaceable?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder
> >> buzz loud.
> 
> 
> 
>  I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of
> >> november...
>  then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it
> down
> >> right away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded
> like
> >> the fan may be loose on the motor shaft.
>  THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I
> >> have not used it more than 20%.
>  I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve,
> >> and the wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz
> >> when I plugged it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas
> valve
> >> or wire feed.)
>  Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation
> >> failure somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it
> buzz
> >> loud?  Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd
> try
> >> it when the temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not
> >> hot today, about 70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

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I would probably just buy the whole rectifier and be done with it.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Made by Lincoln, not in CHina.  Not HF.

G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 11/12/19 12:54 PM:

Take the welder back to Harbor Freight... ask them to replace it with a new
one..
I bet they will
Worth a try, in any case..
They now have a quite good product support in place..

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well, yes, but finding an exact replacement is problematic.

See the last few posts on this thread, Page 1.

https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696

It has 6 button diodes.  Apparently similar to what is used in car
alternators.   As of now, the volt and amp rating are unknown.

this schematic shows the big brother 240V version of this welder, and if
you look at the rectifier, mine is similar, but it only has one 6 diode
rectifier.
https://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/centurymig_troubleshooting.html

Or I could buy/scrounge some other Full wave bridge rectifier.
as seen in page 2 of this thread.
https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
(Same as first link, but page 2.)

Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 10:59 PM:

Is the diode replaceable?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder

buzz loud.




I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of

november...

then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it down

right away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded like
the fan may be loose on the motor shaft.

THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I

have not used it more than 20%.

I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve,

and the wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz
when I plugged it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas valve
or wire feed.)

Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation

failure somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it buzz
loud?  Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd try
it when the temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not
hot today, about 70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Take the welder back to Harbor Freight... ask them to replace it with a new
one..
I bet they will
Worth a try, in any case..
They now have a quite good product support in place..

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, yes, but finding an exact replacement is problematic.
>
> See the last few posts on this thread, Page 1.
>
> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
>
> It has 6 button diodes.  Apparently similar to what is used in car
> alternators.   As of now, the volt and amp rating are unknown.
>
> this schematic shows the big brother 240V version of this welder, and if
> you look at the rectifier, mine is similar, but it only has one 6 diode
> rectifier.
> https://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/centurymig_troubleshooting.html
>
> Or I could buy/scrounge some other Full wave bridge rectifier.
> as seen in page 2 of this thread.
> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
> (Same as first link, but page 2.)
>
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 10:59 PM:
> > Is the diode replaceable?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder
> buzz loud.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of
> november...
> >>
> >> then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it down
> right away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded like
> the fan may be loose on the motor shaft.
> >>
> >> THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I
> have not used it more than 20%.
> >>
> >> I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve,
> and the wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz
> when I plugged it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas valve
> or wire feed.)
> >>
> >> Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation
> failure somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it buzz
> loud?  Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd try
> it when the temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not
> hot today, about 70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> it has 6 diodes in place of the ordinary 4.

Smells to me like they're using an alternator pack.
Cheaper that way?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes.   30v and 150 amp or 200 amp should do it.   About $20 on fleabay 
if you can wait a month for it to get here from china.  Probably for $30 
or 40 I can get one quicker.


I want to dig out the original before I decide what to do.   it has 6 
diodes in place of the ordinary 4.  There is a good auto electric here 
that may have the originals.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 11:23 PM:

Hmm - it rectifies the AC output of the transformer to DC does it not? So,
what is the max voltage and amperage of the output? Size them a bit larger
...





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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmm - it rectifies the AC output of the transformer to DC does it not? So,
what is the max voltage and amperage of the output? Size them a bit larger
...

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, yes, but finding an exact replacement is problematic.
>
> See the last few posts on this thread, Page 1.
>
> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
>
> It has 6 button diodes.  Apparently similar to what is used in car
> alternators.   As of now, the volt and amp rating are unknown.
>
> this schematic shows the big brother 240V version of this welder, and if
> you look at the rectifier, mine is similar, but it only has one 6 diode
> rectifier.
> https://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/centurymig_troubleshooting.html
>
> Or I could buy/scrounge some other Full wave bridge rectifier.
> as seen in page 2 of this thread.
> https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
> (Same as first link, but page 2.)
>
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 10:59 PM:
> > Is the diode replaceable?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder
> buzz loud.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of
> november...
> >>
> >> then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it down
> right away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded like
> the fan may be loose on the motor shaft.
> >>
> >> THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I
> have not used it more than 20%.
> >>
> >> I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve,
> and the wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz
> when I plugged it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas valve
> or wire feed.)
> >>
> >> Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation
> failure somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it buzz
> loud?  Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd try
> it when the temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not
> hot today, about 70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, yes, but finding an exact replacement is problematic.

See the last few posts on this thread, Page 1.

https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696

It has 6 button diodes.  Apparently similar to what is used in car 
alternators.   As of now, the volt and amp rating are unknown.


this schematic shows the big brother 240V version of this welder, and if 
you look at the rectifier, mine is similar, but it only has one 6 diode 
rectifier.

https://www.weldmart.com/main/technical/centurymig_troubleshooting.html

Or I could buy/scrounge some other Full wave bridge rectifier.
as seen in page 2 of this thread.
https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1362696
(Same as first link, but page 2.)

Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/11/19 10:59 PM:

Is the diode replaceable?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder buzz 
loud.




I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of november...

then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it down right 
away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded like the fan 
may be loose on the motor shaft.

THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I have not 
used it more than 20%.

I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve, and the 
wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz when I plugged 
it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas valve or wire feed.)

Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation failure 
somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it buzz loud?  
Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd try it when the 
temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not hot today, about 
70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! (Welder question)

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Is the diode replaceable?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Doing some online research, it seems like a blown diode makes a welder buzz 
> loud.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was welding on an MB one day.   in the merry merry month of november...
> 
> then the welder started buzzing when I was not welding.  I shut it down right 
> away, then tried it again a couple times.   I thought it sounded like the fan 
> may be loose on the motor shaft.
> 
> THe welder is a Century 100  125v  100 A mig. 20% duty cycle.   I have 
> not used it more than 20%.
> 
> I took off the cover, unplugged the wires to the fan, the gas valve, and the 
> wire feed motor.  THat left only the 2 transformers.   Same buzz when I 
> plugged it in and turned on the switch. (Without the fan, gas valve or wire 
> feed.)
> 
> Here is the question.   I assume this means there was an insulation failure 
> somewhere.   Is this correct or would something else make it buzz loud?  
> Tomorrow is supposed to be 30-40º colder temp, so I thought I'd try it when 
> the temp is 30-40º to see if that makes a difference. It was not hot today, 
> about 70 or so.  That should not have been a factor.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, BW is an excellent repository of information from the people who have 
taken the time to post things like photo DIYs of stuff, which is always a big 
help understanding what you’ve got to do in the repair process.

Otherwise, it’s not far from the W123 FB group in some cases from what’s been 
described.

-D


> On May 13, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I see that. I am changing plugs and wires in the 210 soon and was doing 
> a little research. Some guy on BW said on a thread I was reading "just change 
> the bad plug wire, don't change them all. It's not a Ford or Chevy". WTF kind 
> of advice is that? If I have it all apart, it's getting wires too.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 3:50 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having 
> to wade through the morons on FB.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I see that. I am changing plugs and wires in the 210 soon and was doing a 
little research. Some guy on BW said on a thread I was reading "just change the 
bad plug wire, don't change them all. It's not a Ford or Chevy". WTF kind of 
advice is that? If I have it all apart, it's getting wires too.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: May 13, 2019 3:50 PM
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There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having to 
wade through the morons on FB.

-D
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having to 
wade through the morons on FB.

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I think someone made some snide and snarky comments about one of the 
> kids doing a burnout in a primer black 123 sedan, lowered, with chrome 
> reverse rims and baby moon hubcaps. Oh, and an exhaust stack out the hood
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> Who won't be "rollin' coal" anytime soon.
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 12:08 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
> There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was.
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I think someone made some snide and snarky comments about one of the kids 
doing a burnout in a primer black 123 sedan, lowered, with chrome reverse rims 
and baby moon hubcaps. Oh, and an exhaust stack out the hood


Rick

Who won't be "rollin' coal" anytime soon.

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Sent: May 13, 2019 12:08 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh


Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was.

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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I think there’s trash talk about some of the choices these clowns make. 

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> On May 13, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
> There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
>> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
>> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
>> printable portfolio. 
>> 
>> Eh, make it $150
>> 
>> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
>> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original Message  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 6:35 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
>> 
>> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
>> 
>> -D
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
> printable portfolio. 
> 
> Eh, make it $150
> 
> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message  
> 
> 
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 6:35 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m not lurking on that FB group. I’m involved with too many online forums as 
it is. I really despise FB, but there are a couple of groups I want to keep an 
eye on, so I belong to them and that’s it. Someone in the W123 group sent me a 
copy of the person’s “request for recommendation” looking for someone to check 
out a car in Tampa.

And yes, considering that time is money, I think $150 is a fair price for the 
level of detail and scrutiny I provide. We’ll see.

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
> printable portfolio. 
> 
> Eh, make it $150
> 
> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message  
> 
> 
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 6:35 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional pictures, 
explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, printable 
portfolio. 

Eh, make it $150

I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?

Rick



  Original Message  



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Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.

He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?

-D


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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Mismatched paint for sure. The problem is that if you check it out for one or 
the 123 fake book people they probably won’t listen to what you have to say 
anyway. 

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> On May 13, 2019, at 6:35 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
>> underhood photos?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> It’s this car:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
>> 
>> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
>> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
>> 
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CAN IT ROLL COAL???

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> On May 13, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
>> underhood photos?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> It’s this car:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
>> 
>> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
>> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
>> 
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.

He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
> underhood photos?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> It’s this car:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
> 
> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No underhood 
photos?


Rick

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It’s this car:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html

Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….

-D
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s this car:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html

Lot of questions on this.The first picture already has me asking questions. 
Look and you’ll see why….

-D




> On May 13, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> Will the Mercedes Martha be undercut by someone from the FB 123 group?
> See attached screenshot
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> Rick
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Already offered to check out the car he’s interested in. As soon as he can tell 
me *which* 240D it is he’s looking at….

-D


> On May 13, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> Will the Mercedes Martha be undercut by someone from the FB 123 group?
> See attached screenshot
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
 You see the post in the screenshot, yes?

  
 

 
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Either he has me blocked or I have him blockers 

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> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gary Alan Hurst
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 22, 2018 6:21 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> I do not see posts from jabba
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here ya go.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: September 22, 2018 5:00 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> He is?
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I do not see posts from jabba

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> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Here ya go.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
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> 
> 
> He is?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears Jabba the Hurst is on
>> a W123 FB forum a few of us here are on.
>> Any bets as to how long it will take for him to get banned?
>> 
>> Rick
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He is?

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> On Sep 22, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> It appears Jabba the Hurst is on
> a W123 FB forum a few of us here are on. 
> Any bets as to how long it will take for him to get banned?
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Had a coil going bad on the 560 SEL.  Hard to start, especially as winter
approached.  Would die at idle.

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Well he dropped the axing price to $810 so we’re headed in the right direction. 
By Friday before he heads off to propose to his honey he’ll be at $510

--R
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> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes/6538796119.html
> 
> OK, it is a 1991 300e.  I had forgotten what year it was, and if it was M103 
> or M104.  Had to go find the original post.
> 
> Engine wiring harness?  According to wikipedia, a 1991 is a M103.  Other than 
> potentially a bad head gasket, the engine is pretty reliable.  But by 1991 
> the self destructing wiring harnesses may be a factor. Could be a bad engine 
> harness or throttle body.  Coil could be bad. (As could be the HV wire from 
> the coil to dist.) Fuel/filter could be bad.
> 
> http://www.mercedesdefects.com/2008/04/wire-harness-defect.html   Scary 
> reading.  Makes me want to stick with 87 or older Diesels.  I know the wiring 
> problems with the 93 E320 made me want to get rid of it.  It was a pretty 
> green car, but after seeing the wiring harness to the throttle body with only 
> dust for insulation, I just wanted it gone, down the road.   I've never been 
> so happy to see a car leave!
> 
> If there are sparks jumping around, be careful with ether.  One good test 
> before ethering is to crank it on a dark, foggy, wet night, and see if there 
> are sparks jumping around under the hood.  I have seen some cars that look 
> like a light show.  You don't want to spray ether in that environment.  On 
> those, you start by changing the plug wires.
> 
> 
> 
>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 10:38 PM
>> Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it fires, 
>> it's fuel.
>> 
>> And another weird thing that has happened to me: We have mice like you 
>> wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came home 
>> to find the station wagon off the drive in the woods. Had visions of my 
>> mother confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit driving, but 
>> she told me it lurched off on her when she tried to back up, quit, and 
>> wouldn't restart.
>> 
>> Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb cleaner 
>> works too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged and a mouse had 
>> dragged a pecan done into the clean side of the air filter and chewed it up. 
>> The shell was in a couple pieces, and one fell into the throttle and another 
>> held the air meter flap half way down. Picked them out and the car ran fine 
>> once I charged the batter back up.
>> 
>> Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so it 
>> took off, and then another bit flooded it out.
>> 
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>> March 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM
>> yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the thing that 
>> makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the transmission was 
>> shifting late.   that happens when the engine is starved for fuel.  Take a 
>> plug along and see if it sparks while cranking.  if yes, then crack the fuel 
>> line (or an injector line) and see if it spurts fuel when cranked.
>> 
>> to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the right 
>> time) and fuel. (Benzin)
>> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
>> I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget affecting 
>> either or both. Filters make sense too
>> 
>> I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...
>> 
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>> March 26, 2018 at 9:50 PM
>> In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad fuel.   
>> I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle position in ways 
>> similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a vergasser is a nasty 
>> proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens anytime.
>> 
>> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
>> I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
>> friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance.
>> 
>> Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
>> process. Fuel issue? 

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes/6538796119.html

OK, it is a 1991 300e.  I had forgotten what year it was, and if it was M103 or 
M104.  Had to go find the original post.

Engine wiring harness?  According to wikipedia, a 1991 is a M103.  Other than 
potentially a bad head gasket, the engine is pretty reliable.  But by 1991 the 
self destructing wiring harnesses may be a factor. Could be a bad engine 
harness or throttle body.  Coil could be bad. (As could be the HV wire from the 
coil to dist.) Fuel/filter could be bad.

http://www.mercedesdefects.com/2008/04/wire-harness-defect.html   Scary 
reading.  Makes me want to stick with 87 or older Diesels.  I know the wiring 
problems with the 93 E320 made me want to get rid of it.  It was a pretty green 
car, but after seeing the wiring harness to the throttle body with only dust 
for insulation, I just wanted it gone, down the road.   I've never been so 
happy to see a car leave!

If there are sparks jumping around, be careful with ether.  One good test 
before ethering is to crank it on a dark, foggy, wet night, and see if there 
are sparks jumping around under the hood.  I have seen some cars that look like 
a light show.  You don't want to spray ether in that environment.  On those, 
you start by changing the plug wires.




Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:38 PM
Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it 
fires, it's fuel.


And another weird thing that has happened to me: We have mice like you 
wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came 
home to find the station wagon off the drive in the woods. Had visions 
of my mother confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit 
driving, but she told me it lurched off on her when she tried to back 
up, quit, and wouldn't restart.


Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb 
cleaner works too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged 
and a mouse had dragged a pecan done into the clean side of the air 
filter and chewed it up. The shell was in a couple pieces, and one 
fell into the throttle and another held the air meter flap half way 
down. Picked them out and the car ran fine once I charged the batter 
back up.


Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so 
it took off, and then another bit flooded it out.


Life is always an adventure, eh?
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Curley McLain 
March 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM
yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the 
thing that makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the 
transmission was shifting late.   that happens when the engine is 
starved for fuel.  Take a plug along and see if it sparks while 
cranking.  if yes, then crack the fuel line (or an injector line) and 
see if it spurts fuel when cranked.


to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the 
right time) and fuel. (Benzin)


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget 
affecting either or both. Filters make sense too


I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R
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Curley McLain 
March 26, 2018 at 9:50 PM
In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad 
fuel.   I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle 
position in ways similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a 
vergasser is a nasty proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank 
screens anytime.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it 
from a friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing 
maintenance.


Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?


Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before 
shifting up.


I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait 
on him a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number 
depending on what y’all think.


--R
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Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it fires, it's 
fuel.

And another weird thing that has happened to me:  We have mice like you 
wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came home to 
find the station wagon off the drive in the woods.  Had visions of my mother 
confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit driving, but she told 
me it lurched off on her when she tried to back up, quit, and wouldn't restart.

Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb cleaner works 
too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged and a mouse had dragged 
a pecan done into the clean side of the air filter and chewed it up.  The shell 
was in a couple pieces, and one fell into the throttle and another held the air 
meter flap half way down.  Picked them out and the car ran fine once I charged 
the batter back up.

Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so it took 
off, and then another bit flooded it out.

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the thing 
that makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the transmission 
was shifting late.   that happens when the engine is starved for fuel.  
Take a plug along and see if it sparks while cranking.  if yes, then 
crack the fuel line (or an injector line) and see if it spurts fuel when 
cranked.


to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the 
right time) and fuel. (Benzin)

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget 
affecting either or both. Filters make sense too


I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R


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I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget affecting 
either or both.  Filters make sense too  

I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad fuel.   
> I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle position in ways 
> similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a vergasser is a nasty 
> proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens anytime.
> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
>> I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
>> friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance.
>> 
>> Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
>> process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?
>> 
>> Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before shifting 
>> up.
>> 
>> I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait on him 
>> a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number depending on 
>> what y’all think.
>> 
>> --R
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah it showed about 350kmi but was really clean. 

I guess that’s right unless the cluster was changed or something

--FT
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you think it really has high mileage?
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In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad 
fuel.   I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle 
position in ways similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a 
vergasser is a nasty proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens 
anytime.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it 
from a friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing 
maintenance.


Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?


Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before 
shifting up.


I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait 
on him a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number 
depending on what y’all think.


--R


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Do you think it really has high mileage?
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Yeah I’m thinking that. Give him a coupla days to stew on it. He told me he was 
proposing to his GF this weekend so she’ll probably be on him to get rid of it 
soon...

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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That's the red gasser?
> 
> Offer $500, go to $550.
> Rick
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That's the red gasser?

Offer $500, go to $550.
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I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance. 

Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual process. 
Fuel issue?  Whaddaya y’all thinks?

Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before shifting 
up. 

I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait on him a 
bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the  Kleb number depending on what 
y’all think. 

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> He’s not home until 6!
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
>> the trailer and on your way over there…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
>>> 
>>> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
>>> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
>>> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
>>> make me an offer and come get it
>>> 
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He’s not home until 6!

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
> the trailer and on your way over there…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
>> 
>> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
>> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
>> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
>> make me an offer and come get it
>> 
>> --R
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
the trailer and on your way over there…

-D


> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
> 
> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
> make me an offer and come get it
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] UH OH this could be deadly

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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:03:52 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
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> Thanks!  Time to apply for a position that includes a raise.  I've got
> some more certifications to get over the next year, but right now I'm
> pretty competitive for moving up.  CSEP wasn't too tough, but glad it's
> done.

Yes, congratulations!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] UH OH this could be deadly

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Thanks!  Yes, frequently a move is required, but there are opportunities within 
Chucktown.
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On March 13, 2018 4:42:31 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Waytago   They made a whole mess out of the certifications after 
>2003.   Before that it was MCSE for servers/network, and MCSA for 
>software dev. and MCDBA for SQL.Easily understood.
>
>(MCSE 4.0, 2000)
>
>Ask for a raise?  Sure.
>
>GET a raise?Probably not without a move and a new employer.  So,
>the 
>cost of moving negates the benefit of the raise.

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Thanks!  Time to apply for a position that includes a raise.  I've got some 
more certifications to get over the next year, but right now I'm pretty 
competitive for moving up.  CSEP wasn't too tough, but glad it's done.
-- 
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On March 13, 2018 4:34:46 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Congrats!  Time to ask for a raise?
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I passed my exam this a.m., I'm now a Certified Systems Engineering
>> Professional, so yah let's go junking.  I'll check with the Chairman
>of the
>> Social Committee and get back to you.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As for Microsoft certs, yes, they created what we used to call the “profit 
octopus”.  In other words, how many branches can we break each discipline into 
in order to create more certifications that cost more money to obtain?

-D who has far too many certs as it is, fortunately none of them are MS ones….


> On Mar 13, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Waytago   They made a whole mess out of the certifications after 2003.   
> Before that it was MCSE for servers/network, and MCSA for software dev. and 
> MCDBA for SQL.Easily understood.
> 
> (MCSE 4.0, 2000)
> 
> Ask for a raise?  Sure.
> 
> GET a raise?Probably not without a move and a new employer.  So, the cost 
> of moving negates the benefit of the raise.
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 13, 2018 at 3:34 PM
>> Congrats! Time to ask for a raise?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Waytago   They made a whole mess out of the certifications after 
2003.   Before that it was MCSE for servers/network, and MCSA for 
software dev. and MCDBA for SQL.Easily understood.


(MCSE 4.0, 2000)

Ask for a raise?  Sure.

GET a raise?Probably not without a move and a new employer.  So, the 
cost of moving negates the benefit of the raise.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 13, 2018 at 3:34 PM
Congrats! Time to ask for a raise?

-D





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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Congrats!  Time to ask for a raise?

-D


> On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I passed my exam this a.m., I'm now a Certified Systems Engineering
> Professional, so yah let's go junking.  I'll check with the Chairman of the
> Social Committee and get back to you.
> 
> Worst case scenario we put in the engine from Wilton's 300D.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I might go
>> $400 depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue is is
>> probably something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it apparently is
>> a rodbender so who knows.
>> 
>> Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?
>> 
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True

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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow!  Who's o n crack?
> Need!   Nope! You need it like you need another hole in the head.
> Want?  maybe
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM
>> I need that car. You need to go get it, then I bring a 3 car trailer down 
>> and haul 3 back to okieland
>> 
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I passed my exam this a.m., I'm now a Certified Systems Engineering
Professional, so yah let's go junking.  I'll check with the Chairman of the
Social Committee and get back to you.

Worst case scenario we put in the engine from Wilton's 300D.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I might go
> $400 depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue is is
> probably something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it apparently is
> a rodbender so who knows.
>
> Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?
>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wow!  Who's o n crack?
Need!   Nope! You need it like you need another hole in the head.
Want?  maybe


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM
I need that car. You need to go get it, then I bring a 3 car trailer 
down and haul 3 back to okieland




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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ha I think I am going to keep this E300 now that I have it running well, 
or at least try to sell it for some good money now not Okie money.  I 
need to check the GPs on it though, see what those codes are about. I 
don't need another car but it is not bad, would need a new set of tires 
if I was to drive it much.


The owner replied to my query of where it is, it is about an hour away.  
I axed him for interior pics, if I don't hear back I'll call him to try 
to go look at it the next coupla days, maybe take the trailer and some 
$$ and see what I can do.


Lawzamercy...

--FT


On 3/13/18 3:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I need that car. You need to go get it, then I bring a 3 car trailer down and 
haul 3 back to okieland

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I might go $400 
depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue is is probably 
something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it apparently is a rodbender 
so who knows.

Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?

Someone stop me...

--FT



On 3/13/18 2:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
$500 and your buddies in the barn have a stable mate.

Do it.  You know you want to.

-D


On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:


   1992 Mercedes Benz 300SD - $750

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1992-mercedes-benz-300sd/6525753462.html

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I need that car. You need to go get it, then I bring a 3 car trailer down and 
haul 3 back to okieland

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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I might go 
> $400 depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue is is probably 
> something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it apparently is a rodbender 
> so who knows.
> 
> Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?
> 
> Someone stop me...
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 3/13/18 2:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> $500 and your buddies in the barn have a stable mate.
>> 
>> Do it.  You know you want to.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   1992 Mercedes Benz 300SD - $750
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1992-mercedes-benz-300sd/6525753462.html
>>> 
>>> -- 
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You did not read the ad carefully. It is not the rod bender. It is the 
elusive 8 cylinder 300D.


RB

On 13/03/2018 2:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I 
might go $400 depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue 
is is probably something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it 
apparently is a rodbender so who knows.


Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?

Someone stop me...

--FT




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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's about an hour away out in the country/hood I am thinking.  I might 
go $400 depending, start at $300...  whatever the starting issue is is 
probably something pretty simple if he drove it home. But it apparently 
is a rodbender so who knows.


Max -- you looking for a short road trip to Walterboro this weekend?

Someone stop me...

--FT


On 3/13/18 2:55 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

$500 and your buddies in the barn have a stable mate.

Do it.  You know you want to.

-D


On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
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   1992 Mercedes Benz 300SD - $750

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1992-mercedes-benz-300sd/6525753462.html

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$500 and your buddies in the barn have a stable mate.

Do it.  You know you want to.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   1992 Mercedes Benz 300SD - $750
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1992-mercedes-benz-300sd/6525753462.html
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Lowbrow!

--FT


On 6/30/17 12:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

HA!  That made me laugh.  I remember my Uncle drank Schaeffer beer when I was a 
kid and my Dad would call it nothing but swill.  He would say this while he 
drank Pabst or even Lowenbrau if it was a big week!

Don Snook


--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

B DOUBLE E DOUBLE R U N BEER RU

All you need is a ten and a fiver and a car and a key and a sober driver...

--FT


On 6/30/17 12:16 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

  I used to make beer runs for her when I was driving age.


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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Paternal grandfather owned taverns and bowling alleys all his life in the St. 
Louis area, and as a result was beholden to the August Busch family.  Busch 
Bavarian and Lowenbrau were the swills of choice around my house growing up. I 
would point out that we were allowed to drink beer as early as 10-12 years old. 
Wasn't a big deal around my house.

Maternal grandmother, who lived well into her 90s, drank a can of Old Milwaukee 
and ate a bowl of Frost Loops cereal (dry) every night before retiring.  I used 
to make beer runs for her when I was driving age.

-D

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HA!  That made me laugh.  I remember my Uncle drank Schaeffer beer when I was 
> a kid and my Dad would call it nothing but swill.  He would say this while he 
> drank Pabst or even Lowenbrau if it was a big week! 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Makes sense to me.  I think this is especially true if one is not trying to 
stretch the oil change interval too long.  When I worked at the Oldsmobile and 
Honda dealership, a lot of GM customers would ask about synthetic oils or long 
life oils.  That particular dealership charged $9.72 for oil changes with bulk 
Pennzoil 10W30.  If the customer was changing it every 3,000 miles or so, I was 
of the opinion that even cheap bulk Pennzoil was fine.   At 3,000 miles in a 
older technology GM engine, it wasn't going to make much difference what oil 
they used.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Meade Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 5:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

I believe that Marshall used to say that any modern oil, synthetic or 
conventional, was a much better oil that what was available when the OM61x 
engines were designed.  I don't see why that logic would not extend to Don's 
BMW, as long as the oil meets the spec that his engine calls for.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

HA!  That made me laugh.  I remember my Uncle drank Schaeffer beer when I was a 
kid and my Dad would call it nothing but swill.  He would say this while he 
drank Pabst or even Lowenbrau if it was a big week! 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: M. Mitchell Marmel [mailto:marme...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

Schaeffer
Is the
One oil to have
When you're having
More than one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-8tXrqBu0

-MMM-


On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:47:20 + Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the
> > supplements so I was still wondering about it.   He told me he uses
> > exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two 
> > tractors that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer 
> > oil to use in them.  I decided to try it.
> >
> > So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
> > http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
>
> I saw an advertisement for it in a truck magazine recently.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Luckily on this car (the 99 740iL with 105K miles), it doesn't use or leak any 
oil.  Since I have been driving so much lately I pushed it a little longer than 
I normally do.  I had driven almost 10,000 miles on the Mobil 1 and it never 
needed a top up.  My other one with 234K miles has only needed a half quart in 
7,000 miles.  And that was only once or twice. 

My wife's Cadillac SUV is a completely different story.  It will need 1.5 
quarts in 3,000 miles.   It takes 6 qts for an oil change.   AND it has 130K 
miles on the 3.6 engine that most owners report will use 1-2 qts in 4-5,000 
miles. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

The only thing I'd think about is if you needed a quart for makeup where would 
you get it?OTOH M1 would probably be fine...
-Curt


  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread
   
Never heard of it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.  There is a small shop down the street 
> from my office and I know the Manager.  His wife is a lawyer and he had a 
> good reputation.  He has worked on all of my cars and always treated me well. 
>  So, he has done the last several oil changes on both my cars and my wife's 
> SUV.  My car takes 7.5-8 qts. I had previously priced the 5 qt jugs of Mobil 
> 1 to try to decide if it was worth it to do it myself.  Once I buy two of the 
> 5 qt jugs and a filter, it hardly saves me any money to do it myself.  I 
> decided to have him do it yesterday.  I asked if there was a cheaper Full 
> Synthetic oil that I could use.  He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job 
> sells the oil and the supplements so I was still wondering about it.  He told 
> me he uses exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two 
> tractors that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to 
> use in them.  I decided to try it.
> 
> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
> http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
> 
> This meets the newest API designation of SN.  My BMW is a 1999. I'm assuming 
> whatever designation was required then, this new stuff exceeds it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I believe that Marshall used to say that any modern oil, synthetic or
conventional, was a much better oil that what was available when the OM61x
engines were designed.  I don't see why that logic would not extend to
Don's BMW, as long as the oil meets the spec that his engine calls for.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Donald wrote:

> I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.

> He told me uses Schaeffer oil.

> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?

Nope.

But I have heard only good things about Schaeffer.

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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes. Because Craig is a real man and is technically a trucker now days.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:47:20 + Donald Snook via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the
>> supplements so I was still wondering about it.   He told me he uses
>> exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two tractors
>> that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to use
>> in them.  I decided to try it.
>> 
>> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil
>> http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
> 
> I saw an advertisement for it in a truck magazine recently.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Schaeffer
Is the
One oil to have
When you're having
More than one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-8tXrqBu0

-MMM-


On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:47:20 + Donald Snook via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the
> > supplements so I was still wondering about it.   He told me he uses
> > exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two tractors
> > that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to use
> > in them.  I decided to try it.
> >
> > So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil
> > http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
>
> I saw an advertisement for it in a truck magazine recently.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:47:20 + Donald Snook via Mercedes
 wrote:

> He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the
> supplements so I was still wondering about it.   He told me he uses
> exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two tractors
> that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to use
> in them.  I decided to try it.
> 
> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil
> http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html

I saw an advertisement for it in a truck magazine recently.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The only thing I'd think about is if you needed a quart for makeup where would 
you get it?OTOH M1 would probably be fine...
-Curt


  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread
   
Never heard of it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.  There is a small shop down the street 
> from my office and I know the Manager.  His wife is a lawyer and he had a 
> good reputation.  He has worked on all of my cars and always treated me well. 
>  So, he has done the last several oil changes on both my cars and my wife's 
> SUV.  My car takes 7.5-8 qts. I had previously priced the 5 qt jugs of Mobil 
> 1 to try to decide if it was worth it to do it myself.  Once I buy two of the 
> 5 qt jugs and a filter, it hardly saves me any money to do it myself.  I 
> decided to have him do it yesterday.  I asked if there was a cheaper Full 
> Synthetic oil that I could use.  He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job 
> sells the oil and the supplements so I was still wondering about it.  He told 
> me he uses exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two 
> tractors that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to 
> use in them.  I decided to try it.
> 
> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
> http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
> 
> This meets the newest API designation of SN.  My BMW is a 1999. I'm assuming 
> whatever designation was required then, this new stuff exceeds it.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Never heard of it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.  There is a small shop down the street 
> from my office and I know the Manager.  His wife is a lawyer and he had a 
> good reputation.  He has worked on all of my cars and always treated me well. 
>  So, he has done the last several oil changes on both my cars and my wife's 
> SUV.  My car takes 7.5-8 qts. I had previously priced the 5 qt jugs of Mobil 
> 1 to try to decide if it was worth it to do it myself.  Once I buy two of the 
> 5 qt jugs and a filter, it hardly saves me any money to do it myself.  I 
> decided to have him do it yesterday.  I asked if there was a cheaper Full 
> Synthetic oil that I could use.  He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job 
> sells the oil and the supplements so I was still wondering about it.   He 
> told me he uses exclusively in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two 
> tractors that cost $300,000 each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to 
> use in them.  I decided to try it.
> 
> So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
> http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html
> 
> This meets the newest API designation of SN.  My BMW is a 1999. I'm assuming 
> whatever designation was required then, this new stuff exceeds it.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Yea, I usually don’t worry about it.  When I had my diesel, I was more 
concerned.  In older cars, I was never convinced synthetic was really 
necessary.  This BMW always had Mobil 1 – according to the records/receipts.  
So, I thought I would stick with it.  The only reason I even thought about it 
was because I wondered if I should change it myself.  With the Schaeffer oil it 
dropped the price of the oil change down almost $15 and at that point, it cost 
about the same as I would spend buying oil and filter.  So, it was a no brainer 
at that point.

Don Snook

From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

I've given up on worrying about oil, if it meets a reasonably current 
specification I use it and don't worry about it.

Our '05 VW Golf TDI REQUIRES a specific spec of oil which is relatively hard to 
find. Valvoline makes the only oil that meets the spec that you can find at 
most FLAPS. I started using it in the pickup because the Valvoline place is 
easier to get into than the Mobil place... Pickup doesn't seem to care.

Wait 5000 miles and pull a sample for analysis, then you'll really know whats 
going on in there...

-Curt


From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com<mailto:d...@snooklawllc.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.  There is a small shop down the street 
from my office and I know the Manager.  His wife is a lawyer and he had a good 
reputation.  He has worked on all of my cars and always treated me well.  So, 
he has done the last several oil changes on both my cars and my wife's SUV.  My 
car takes 7.5-8 qts. I had previously priced the 5 qt jugs of Mobil 1 to try to 
decide if it was worth it to do it myself.  Once I buy two of the 5 qt jugs and 
a filter, it hardly saves me any money to do it myself.  I decided to have him 
do it yesterday.  I asked if there was a cheaper Full Synthetic oil that I 
could use.  He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the 
supplements so I was still wondering about it.  He told me he uses exclusively 
in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two tractors that cost $300,000 
each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to use in them.  I decided to try 
it.

So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html

This meets the newest API designation of SN.  My BMW is a 1999. I'm assuming 
whatever designation was required then, this new stuff exceeds it.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've given up on worrying about oil, if it meets a reasonably current 
specification I use it and don't worry about it.
Our '05 VW Golf TDI REQUIRES a specific spec of oil which is relatively hard to 
find. Valvoline makes the only oil that meets the spec that you can find at 
most FLAPS. I started using it in the pickup because the Valvoline place is 
easier to get into than the Mobil place... Pickup doesn't seem to care.
Wait 5000 miles and pull a sample for analysis, then you'll really know whats 
going on in there...
-Curt


  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] uh oh Oil Thread
   
I had to get my oil changed on my BMW.  There is a small shop down the street 
from my office and I know the Manager.  His wife is a lawyer and he had a good 
reputation.  He has worked on all of my cars and always treated me well.  So, 
he has done the last several oil changes on both my cars and my wife's SUV.  My 
car takes 7.5-8 qts. I had previously priced the 5 qt jugs of Mobil 1 to try to 
decide if it was worth it to do it myself.  Once I buy two of the 5 qt jugs and 
a filter, it hardly saves me any money to do it myself.  I decided to have him 
do it yesterday.  I asked if there was a cheaper Full Synthetic oil that I 
could use.  He told me uses Schaeffer oil.  His job sells the oil and the 
supplements so I was still wondering about it.  He told me he uses exclusively 
in his farm tractors.  He has a farm and has two tractors that cost $300,000 
each and he said he trusts the Schaeffer oil to use in them.  I decided to try 
it.

So, does anybody have any experience with this oil?  This is the oil 
http://www.schaefferoil.com/9003d-full-synthetic.html

This meets the newest API designation of SN.  My BMW is a 1999. I'm assuming 
whatever designation was required then, this new stuff exceeds it.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I'm not really sure why anyone would really care about this. Except, I 
guess when the whistle was blown the value of the cars declined, but 
that is not a particularly rational response, the car does exactly what 
it was doing the day before and the only thing hurt was felings.


I wonder if Mama's ML has been rigged.

--R

On 2/19/16 3:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

AIR POLLUTION:Mercedes owner sues Daimler over alleged rigged diesel
testsPublished:
Friday, February 19, 2016

A Mercedes diesel car owner is suing Daimler AG on the grounds that the
manufacturer programmed its clean diesel vehicles to emit more nitrogen
oxides than legally allowed.

The New Jersey suit was filed by the law firm Hagens Berman, which has
played a lead role in litigation over a similar scandal at Volkswagen AG.
That German automaker admitted last September 2015 that it had rigged its
vehicles to cheat U.S. diesel emissions tests (*Greenwire*
, Sept. 23, 2015).

The U.S. Justice Department last month filed a $46 billion lawsuit against
Volkswagen (*ClimateWire*
, Jan. 5).

Daimler has denied repeatedly any accusation of rigging emissions tests and
said today the suit was unfounded. Hagens Berman, however, said its on-road
testing had shown Mercedes' clean diesel vehicles emitting an average of 19
times the legal NOx emissions (Reuters/London*Guardian*
,
Feb. 19). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Since the VW admission I've been saying that probably all automakers cheat, VW 
just got caught.
How long until we find out how many lithium miners die for each Prius?
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:31 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh...
   
AIR POLLUTION:Mercedes owner sues Daimler over alleged rigged diesel
testsPublished:
Friday, February 19, 2016

A Mercedes diesel car owner is suing Daimler AG on the grounds that the
manufacturer programmed its clean diesel vehicles to emit more nitrogen
oxides than legally allowed.

The New Jersey suit was filed by the law firm Hagens Berman, which has
played a lead role in litigation over a similar scandal at Volkswagen AG.
That German automaker admitted last September 2015 that it had rigged its
vehicles to cheat U.S. diesel emissions tests (*Greenwire*
, Sept. 23, 2015).

The U.S. Justice Department last month filed a $46 billion lawsuit against
Volkswagen (*ClimateWire*
, Jan. 5).

Daimler has denied repeatedly any accusation of rigging emissions tests and
said today the suit was unfounded. Hagens Berman, however, said its on-road
testing had shown Mercedes' clean diesel vehicles emitting an average of 19
times the legal NOx emissions (Reuters/London*Guardian*
,
Feb. 19). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I said that a long time ago but nobody believed me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to reach out to Larry.  Our resident oil expert is AWOL. Last notice 
> his ISP was blocking list mail.  commiecast, I think.  He was resisting using 
> a gmail acct for the list.
> 
> Unfortunately our M1 is no longer Herr Doktor Booth's M1!
> 
> I came across this looking for centistoke to API equivalents:
> 
> How do I know what motor oil is a Group IV (4) based PAO synthetic motor oil?
> As more and more large oil companies switched their "synthetic" motor oils to 
> the less expensive/more profitable Group III (3) base stocks it has become 
> much easier to identify which are PAO based true synthetic. Of the large oil 
> companies, only Mobil 1 Extended Performance, as of this writing 
> (12-16-2012), is still a PAO based true synthetic. The rest, including 
> regular Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge have switched to the cheaper/more profitable 
> Group III (3) petroleum based "synthetic" motor oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor 
> Oils are PAO based true synthetic motor oils with the exception of the short 
> oil drain OE and XL synthetic motor oils sold at some Auto Parts Stores and 
> Quick Oil Change Centers. This leaves more than 20 PAO based true synthetic 
> motor oils manufactured and marketed by AMSOIL with only a few Group III (3) 
> based synthetic motor oils identified by the "OE" and "XL" product name.
> 
> http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Conventional.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Synthetic or conventional? T6 is synthetic, I won't bother with
> conventional oil but I don't own a 61x engine anymore. If I did I'd
> probably use regular 15w40...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:50 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info
>
> I only use Rotella, which is sold by Advance.  No harm, no foul, not too
> expensive.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I gave up, I've been using Car Quest 5w40 synthetic in my Jetta, it tested
> fine at 10,000 mile intervals, would probably be fine at 15k but this way I
> change it spring and fall which is easy enough. Car Quest was bought by
> Advance, I haven't stopped in to see if they're going to keep making the
> oil, if they don't I'll use Rotella T6 which is the same price or a little
> cheaper. I use this in most everything, the lawnmowers at home and at camp
> plus the generator at camp.
> The Golf has to have a super specific VW 505.01 spec oil of which I think
> theres a Castrol (I forget, I've got a quart in the car) or I can order
> Fuchs brand which IDParts can have at my house in 2 days for not much more
> than M1...
> -Curt
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:29 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info
>
> We need to reach out to Larry.  Our resident oil expert is AWOL.
> Last notice his ISP was blocking list mail.  commiecast, I think.  He
> was resisting using a gmail acct for the list.
>
> Unfortunately our M1 is no longer Herr Doktor Booth's M1!
>
> I came across this looking for centistoke to API equivalents:
>
> How do I know what motor oil is a Group IV (4) based PAO synthetic motor
> oil?
> As more and more large oil companies switched their "synthetic" motor
> oils to the less expensive/more profitable Group III (3) base stocks
> it has become much easier to identify which are PAO based true
> synthetic. Of the large oil companies, only Mobil 1 Extended
> Performance, as of this writing (12-16-2012), is still a PAO based
> true synthetic. The rest, including regular Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge
> have switched to the cheaper/more profitable Group III (3) petroleum
> based "synthetic" motor oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils are PAO
> based true synthetic motor oils with the exception of the short oil
> drain OE and XL synthetic motor oils sold at some Auto Parts Stores
> and Quick Oil Change Centers. This leaves more than 20 PAO based true
> synthetic motor oils manufactured and marketed by AMSOIL with only a
> few Group III (3) based synthetic motor oils identified by the "OE"
> and "XL" product name.
>
> http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I gave up, I've been using Car Quest 5w40 synthetic in my Jetta, it tested fine 
at 10,000 mile intervals, would probably be fine at 15k but this way I change 
it spring and fall which is easy enough. Car Quest was bought by Advance, I 
haven't stopped in to see if they're going to keep making the oil, if they 
don't I'll use Rotella T6 which is the same price or a little cheaper. I use 
this in most everything, the lawnmowers at home and at camp plus the generator 
at camp.
The Golf has to have a super specific VW 505.01 spec oil of which I think 
theres a Castrol (I forget, I've got a quart in the car) or I can order Fuchs 
brand which IDParts can have at my house in 2 days for not much more than M1...
-Curt
  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:29 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info
   
We need to reach out to Larry.  Our resident oil expert is AWOL. 
Last notice his ISP was blocking list mail.  commiecast, I think.  He 
was resisting using a gmail acct for the list.

Unfortunately our M1 is no longer Herr Doktor Booth's M1!

I came across this looking for centistoke to API equivalents:

How do I know what motor oil is a Group IV (4) based PAO synthetic motor oil?
As more and more large oil companies switched their "synthetic" motor 
oils to the less expensive/more profitable Group III (3) base stocks 
it has become much easier to identify which are PAO based true 
synthetic. Of the large oil companies, only Mobil 1 Extended 
Performance, as of this writing (12-16-2012), is still a PAO based 
true synthetic. The rest, including regular Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge 
have switched to the cheaper/more profitable Group III (3) petroleum 
based "synthetic" motor oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils are PAO 
based true synthetic motor oils with the exception of the short oil 
drain OE and XL synthetic motor oils sold at some Auto Parts Stores 
and Quick Oil Change Centers. This leaves more than 20 PAO based true 
synthetic motor oils manufactured and marketed by AMSOIL with only a 
few Group III (3) based synthetic motor oils identified by the "OE" 
and "XL" product name.

http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I only use Rotella, which is sold by Advance.  No harm, no foul, not too
expensive.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I gave up, I've been using Car Quest 5w40 synthetic in my Jetta, it tested
> fine at 10,000 mile intervals, would probably be fine at 15k but this way I
> change it spring and fall which is easy enough. Car Quest was bought by
> Advance, I haven't stopped in to see if they're going to keep making the
> oil, if they don't I'll use Rotella T6 which is the same price or a little
> cheaper. I use this in most everything, the lawnmowers at home and at camp
> plus the generator at camp.
> The Golf has to have a super specific VW 505.01 spec oil of which I think
> theres a Castrol (I forget, I've got a quart in the car) or I can order
> Fuchs brand which IDParts can have at my house in 2 days for not much more
> than M1...
> -Curt
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:29 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info
>
> We need to reach out to Larry.  Our resident oil expert is AWOL.
> Last notice his ISP was blocking list mail.  commiecast, I think.  He
> was resisting using a gmail acct for the list.
>
> Unfortunately our M1 is no longer Herr Doktor Booth's M1!
>
> I came across this looking for centistoke to API equivalents:
>
> How do I know what motor oil is a Group IV (4) based PAO synthetic motor
> oil?
> As more and more large oil companies switched their "synthetic" motor
> oils to the less expensive/more profitable Group III (3) base stocks
> it has become much easier to identify which are PAO based true
> synthetic. Of the large oil companies, only Mobil 1 Extended
> Performance, as of this writing (12-16-2012), is still a PAO based
> true synthetic. The rest, including regular Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge
> have switched to the cheaper/more profitable Group III (3) petroleum
> based "synthetic" motor oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils are PAO
> based true synthetic motor oils with the exception of the short oil
> drain OE and XL synthetic motor oils sold at some Auto Parts Stores
> and Quick Oil Change Centers. This leaves more than 20 PAO based true
> synthetic motor oils manufactured and marketed by AMSOIL with only a
> few Group III (3) based synthetic motor oils identified by the "OE"
> and "XL" product name.
>
> http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Synthetic or conventional? T6 is synthetic, I won't bother with conventional 
oil but I don't own a 61x engine anymore. If I did I'd probably use regular 
15w40...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info
   
I only use Rotella, which is sold by Advance.  No harm, no foul, not too 
expensive.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I gave up, I've been using Car Quest 5w40 synthetic in my Jetta, it tested fine 
at 10,000 mile intervals, would probably be fine at 15k but this way I change 
it spring and fall which is easy enough. Car Quest was bought by Advance, I 
haven't stopped in to see if they're going to keep making the oil, if they 
don't I'll use Rotella T6 which is the same price or a little cheaper. I use 
this in most everything, the lawnmowers at home and at camp plus the generator 
at camp.
The Golf has to have a super specific VW 505.01 spec oil of which I think 
theres a Castrol (I forget, I've got a quart in the car) or I can order Fuchs 
brand which IDParts can have at my house in 2 days for not much more than M1...
-Curt
      From: Curly McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:29 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

We need to reach out to Larry.  Our resident oil expert is AWOL.
Last notice his ISP was blocking list mail.  commiecast, I think.  He
was resisting using a gmail acct for the list.

Unfortunately our M1 is no longer Herr Doktor Booth's M1!

I came across this looking for centistoke to API equivalents:

How do I know what motor oil is a Group IV (4) based PAO synthetic motor oil?
As more and more large oil companies switched their "synthetic" motor
oils to the less expensive/more profitable Group III (3) base stocks
it has become much easier to identify which are PAO based true
synthetic. Of the large oil companies, only Mobil 1 Extended
Performance, as of this writing (12-16-2012), is still a PAO based
true synthetic. The rest, including regular Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge
have switched to the cheaper/more profitable Group III (3) petroleum
based "synthetic" motor oil. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils are PAO
based true synthetic motor oils with the exception of the short oil
drain OE and XL synthetic motor oils sold at some Auto Parts Stores
and Quick Oil Change Centers. This leaves more than 20 PAO based true
synthetic motor oils manufactured and marketed by AMSOIL with only a
few Group III (3) based synthetic motor oils identified by the "OE"
and "XL" product name.

http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh! Oil info

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Andrew wrote:
> >
> > I only use Rotella, which is sold by Advance.  No harm, no
> > foul, not too expensive.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Synthetic or conventional? T6 is synthetic, I won't bother
> with conventional oil but I don't own a 61x engine anymore.
> If I did I'd probably use regular 15w40...

I won't use Rotella.  The synthetic is nothing special and
the dino is inferior to Delo or Mobil 1300.  But I don't have
any of those new fangled engines that need the water-thin
oils.

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[archer75--- via Mercedes]

A trucker once told me that Cummins engines would go 350K before overhaul using 
Rotella, and those using Delo would go 450-500K before overhaul. He said major 
truck lines used Rotella because it was cheaper, and independents used Delo.

I bought the first Beetle for $275 because it had a brake fluid leak no one 
could find, (It was between the double fire walls), and one cylinder was 
missing. A mechanic told me to put RPM Delo (Delo before Big Oil bought the 
company), and in a month it was running smoothly on on all four cylinders. I 
used Delo in all Mercedes with good results befor Mobil 1 came on the market.
Gerry

He said most major trucklines used Rotella because it was cheaper, and most 
indepedent truckers used Delo

> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > I only use Rotella, which is sold by Advance.  No harm, no
> > > foul, not too expensive.

> > Curt wrote:
> > Synthetic or conventional? T6 is synthetic, I won't bother
> > with conventional oil but I don't own a 61x engine anymore.
> > If I did I'd probably use regular 15w40...
> 
> I won't use Rotella.  The synthetic is nothing special and
> the dino is inferior to Delo or Mobil 1300.  But I don't have
> any of those new fangled engines that need the water-thin
> oils.
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - that laptop sounds handy. Is it different from an OBD-II reader? How
does it connect? I might be needing one of those in the future 


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 How about hooking it up to the laptop?

 VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see
 the readout here:
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png



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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The connection is the same as an OBD-II reader and it can perform all the 
OBD-II functions plus a bunch more things.
Your Passat requires the more expensive cable but it can do a lot more than my 
car can handle. For instance if you had different size tires it can correct the 
speedo. Theres a limit but I think its around 10% change...

-Curt



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To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 


Hmmm - that laptop sounds handy. Is it different from an OBD-II reader? How 
does it connect? I might be needing one of those in the future 





On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

How about hooking it up to the laptop?

VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see the 
readout here: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png
 




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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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