Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Same system in Greece --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] wrong size tires To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:20 PM What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Granddaughter lives in Winston-Salem, NC. and needs tires for her '05 Honda Civic which grandpa is going to buy her as a Xmas present.. Consumers Reports tests show that Michelin HydroEdge tires have the best combination of wet road, ice, and snow driving characteristics. All comments, criticisms, and recommendations appreciated. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Archer wrote: Granddaughter lives in Winston-Salem, NC. and needs tires for her '05 Honda Civic which grandpa is going to buy her as a Xmas present.. What size, 195/60-15? http://tinyurl.com/6e83g8 Click on survey results for each tire, try to get one that's all green. In the all season grand touring category, Michelin Primacy MXV4 and General Altimax HP are the two highest ranked tires. I like the all seasons even outside of the snow belt because they usually work great in rain, and it can snow just about anywhere. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
how much is it? Luther wrote: We buy it direct from the distributor. Much cheaper that way. We're planning an order soon, do you want some? Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so tell me about this BG again, and where I can get it. Luther wrote: Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:14:23 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how much is it? For those of us not in the know, what's it good for? Craig Luther wrote: We buy it direct from the distributor. Much cheaper that way. We're planning an order soon, do you want some? Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so tell me about this BG again, and where I can get it. Luther wrote: Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey, Ph.D. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Los Alamos National Laboratory Voice: (505) 667-8837 Los Alamos, NM 87545USA FAX: (505) 665-6580 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
$18 a gallon last time we purchased some. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: how much is it? Luther wrote: We buy it direct from the distributor. Much cheaper that way. We're planning an order soon, do you want some? Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so tell me about this BG again, and where I can get it. Luther wrote: Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM -- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Thanks, Mitch. Think I'll get her the Michelins. Gerry Archer wrote: Granddaughter lives in Winston-Salem, NC. and needs tires for her '05 Honda Civic which grandpa is going to buy her as a Xmas present.. What size, 195/60-15? http://tinyurl.com/6e83g8 Click on survey results for each tire, try to get one that's all green. In the all season grand touring category, Michelin Primacy MXV4 and General Altimax HP are the two highest ranked tires. I like the all seasons even outside of the snow belt because they usually work great in rain, and it can snow just about anywhere. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
It seems than at Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:43:34 -0600, Tom wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. W123s are all that I have! But I understand basic thermodynamics. *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
It seems than at Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:20:28 -0500, Wilton wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? The US used to use an all Imperial system. I have a few tires about here that still have numbers like 30x9.50R15. Meaning 30 inches outside diameter, 9.5 inches wide, mount on a 15 rim. I don't see how the p-metric measurements are an improvement... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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still do; most commonly seen on trucks, SUVs, etc. IMO, the funkiest of these is the 16.5 rim. ;-) cheers! e Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:20:28 -0500, Wilton wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? The US used to use an all Imperial system. I have a few tires about here that still have numbers like 30x9.50R15. Meaning 30 inches outside diameter, 9.5 inches wide, mount on a 15 rim. I don't see how the p-metric measurements are an improvement... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Now that we have thoroughly beat this tire thread to death, anyone want to start an oil thread? :D Luther Wonko the Sane wrote: I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? Luther wrote: Now that we have thoroughly beat this tire thread to death, anyone want to start an oil thread? :D Luther Wonko the Sane wrote: I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Not if you don't drive them which is most of yours On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? Luther wrote: Now that we have thoroughly beat this tire thread to death, anyone want to start an oil thread? :D Luther Wonko the Sane wrote: I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
I dont usually spend the money on M1 anyway because I never keep the long enough to enjoy the extended drain on them. OK Don wrote: Not if you don't drive them which is most of yours On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
so tell me about this BG again, and where I can get it. Luther wrote: Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Since getting the benz a couple of years ago now, I've been using Shell Rotella with pretty good results. What made me decide to use it was the higher levels of zink. The car gets a lot of city driving, and it has a lot of miles, so I change quite often. I can never to find the deals on Mobil 1 that seem to be available to those in the U.S., so Rotella seems to be a good oil with what I'm looking for, with a good price. I've only ever used factory filters with it from the dealer. I think it's a 15/40 too, which I run year round, hot humid summers, and cold winters. Ed 300E 345,000 kms 2008/12/6 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont usually spend the money on M1 anyway because I never keep the long enough to enjoy the extended drain on them. OK Don wrote: Not if you don't drive them which is most of yours On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
HOT HUMID summers? In Toronto? 'All relative, isn't it? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Since getting the benz a couple of years ago now, I've been using Shell Rotella with pretty good results. What made me decide to use it was the higher levels of zink. The car gets a lot of city driving, and it has a lot of miles, so I change quite often. I can never to find the deals on Mobil 1 that seem to be available to those in the U.S., so Rotella seems to be a good oil with what I'm looking for, with a good price. I've only ever used factory filters with it from the dealer. I think it's a 15/40 too, which I run year round, hot humid summers, and cold winters. Ed 300E 345,000 kms 2008/12/6 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont usually spend the money on M1 anyway because I never keep the long enough to enjoy the extended drain on them. OK Don wrote: Not if you don't drive them which is most of yours On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
Last summer, lots of days up in the high 90s. So humid, we have to use the windshield wipes even when it's not raining. lol If it gets any hotter, I'm going to have to learn how to make proper iced tea this summer. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/12/6 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOT HUMID summers? In Toronto? 'All relative, isn't it? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Since getting the benz a couple of years ago now, I've been using Shell Rotella with pretty good results. What made me decide to use it was the higher levels of zink. The car gets a lot of city driving, and it has a lot of miles, so I change quite often. I can never to find the deals on Mobil 1 that seem to be available to those in the U.S., so Rotella seems to be a good oil with what I'm looking for, with a good price. I've only ever used factory filters with it from the dealer. I think it's a 15/40 too, which I run year round, hot humid summers, and cold winters. Ed 300E 345,000 kms 2008/12/6 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont usually spend the money on M1 anyway because I never keep the long enough to enjoy the extended drain on them. OK Don wrote: Not if you don't drive them which is most of yours On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its getting cold, do I need to use Mobile 1 in all my cars? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires
We buy it direct from the distributor. Much cheaper that way. We're planning an order soon, do you want some? Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so tell me about this BG again, and where I can get it. Luther wrote: Or BG, it's cheaper :) Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I never did but several friends did. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how many times did you come home dead? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My '83 240D started perfectly this morning at 15F with CONVENTIONAL (Delvac 1300) oil in it. I'm not going to put M1 in that car as it leaks a quart in 800 miles and has a working block heater... Bounced it against maximum velocity this morning on the way to work. Car is running great. -Curt Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:43:34 -0600 From: Tom Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So is the HU16E basically the same as SA-16? Are bofum called Albatross? So, basically, there was a running fix with Loran, and home was ALWAYS west? Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires I have never been in an SA-16. The USAF flew those. But I had 1500+ hours in the beloved HU16E. We didn't need no stinkin' air speed stuff once we left the runway, because Petty Officer Don (then) was sitting in the nav position running Loran-A and could give a DR of how fast we were going. But ... yea, we had a TAS indicator. Told the Officer Pilots when to pull back and shut their eyes as they left the runway. Joking aside, this is one of those really cool USCG secrets. Other than in the C-130, it was enlisted crew (and sometimes even in the 130) who were doing the nav. On our patrols, we'd be 200 miles east of Cape Cod and it was the enlisted guy who was telling the pilots where to turn the airplane, based on what targets were on radar. No radar display in the driver's seat -- nav had the display. The pilot and copilot took off and then pretty much turned it over to nav, who was often an E-4. Other than maybe RDF, the pilots only knew where they were if they listened to the nav guy (me). Home was 270 +/- 20 degrees. And this was all Loran A, a chart, and a mile wide grease pencil. A guy in his early 20s held the grease pencil. But we almost always came home alive. Almost. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Did your SA-16 have a true airspeed (TAS) meter? Or was it merely INDICATED airspeed? But didn't you use TAS in nav plotting? How'd you get TAS? Temp and IAS on the E6B handheld nav computer? After doing a bunch of 'em, didn't you get so you could mentally compute TAS if you knew IAS and temp? My B-52's had both IAS and TAS meters plus Doppler even showing wind and ground speed, but I suspect they had much more computer capacity than SA-16's of the time. If I know that my speedometer is 2% or whatever off, I just easily and quickly and easily mentally convert it to true ground speed and leave the speedometer alone. If it's reading fast, it may keep SWMBO from getting a ticket. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton Strickland wrote: So is the HU16E basically the same as SA-16? Are bofum called Albatross? So, basically, there was a running fix with Loran, and home was ALWAYS west? If you're in a whirlybird, dirt = home. If you're on the eastern seaboard, west = dirt. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Wilton Strickland wrote: So is the HU16E basically the same as SA-16? Are bofum called Albatross? So, basically, there was a running fix with Loran, and home was ALWAYS west? If you're in a whirlybird, dirt = home. If you're on the eastern seaboard, west = dirt. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only the losers do. The rest of us cheap skates has moved up to 124's Tom Savage wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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was that with or without it being plugged in? Curt Raymond wrote: My '83 240D started perfectly this morning at 15F with CONVENTIONAL (Delvac 1300) oil in it. I'm not going to put M1 in that car as it leaks a quart in 800 miles and has a working block heater... Bounced it against maximum velocity this morning on the way to work. Car is running great. -Curt -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We are supposed to have miserably cold weather tomorrow with wind chill numbers into the -30 range. I'm going to have a look at another boat after lunch. Should be a good time to make a lowball offer. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Only the losers do. The rest of us cheap skates has moved up to 124's Tom Savage wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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firstly, let's acknowledge that just because it's used in North America doesn't make it an American system,... ;-) judging by the fact that most all auto mfrs wheel diameters i can recall having seen (including all our MBZs) seem to be sized in inches, i'm guessing it's a pretty good chance that's what at least most of Europe and Asia use as well. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Especially those exported to NA? Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires firstly, let's acknowledge that just because it's used in North America doesn't make it an American system,... ;-) judging by the fact that most all auto mfrs wheel diameters i can recall having seen (including all our MBZs) seem to be sized in inches, i'm guessing it's a pretty good chance that's what at least most of Europe and Asia use as well. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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TRX was supposed to replace it with an all metric system but never caught on. On 12/5/08, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: firstly, let's acknowledge that just because it's used in North America doesn't make it an American system,... ;-) judging by the fact that most all auto mfrs wheel diameters i can recall having seen (including all our MBZs) seem to be sized in inches, i'm guessing it's a pretty good chance that's what at least most of Europe and Asia use as well. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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since my family's Asian cars in Europe and European cars in Asia all seem to turn on wheels with diameters sized in inches, i don't know if i'd say especially; i'd say including ;-) i hope if someone is familiar with some other standard, they'll pipe up and clue us in as to what and where it is. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: Especially those exported to NA? Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires firstly, let's acknowledge that just because it's used in North America doesn't make it an American system,... ;-) judging by the fact that most all auto mfrs wheel diameters i can recall having seen (including all our MBZs) seem to be sized in inches, i'm guessing it's a pretty good chance that's what at least most of Europe and Asia use as well. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Then there is the fancy crowd with big W140 S class limos out the back. Hendrik with both 123 and 124 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Only the losers do. The rest of us cheap skates has moved up to 124's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hey, I got one of them, maybe 2 soon. Hendrik Fay wrote: Then there is the fancy crowd with big W140 S class limos out the back. Hendrik with both 123 and 124 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Only the losers do. The rest of us cheap skates has moved up to 124's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My condolences! On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, I got one of them, maybe 2 soon. Hendrik Fay wrote: Then there is the fancy crowd with big W140 S class limos out the back. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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for what? OK Don wrote: My condolences! On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, I got one of them, maybe 2 soon. Hendrik Fay wrote: Then there is the fancy crowd with big W140 S class limos out the back. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes they do, not sure how it came about but I suspect back in the good old days it was all imperial (die Englishers) and all metric (die Europeans) but then the two came together as the car market became global. Rims stayed imperial and the width became metric, which made life easier because the width goes up 5mm at a time and rim diameter goes up an inch at a time. Would not want the mess of 5 1/16 x 15 with a aspect ratio of 65, what is 65% of 5 1/16? The imperial measurement of rim diameter is more of an convention, there was an attempt to metricize it but it failed, more than likely due to the imperial nations. Personally I have no problem with the system, it works well, people know approximately what a 15 inch tire is and the tire shop knows what size tire goes on your car. Hendrik Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The 140's. They sound like no end of trouble, and aren't 124s. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what? OK Don wrote: My condolences! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you have never had one, you cant begin to know how wonderful they ride and drive. Yes, they do have alot of gadgets but I have never really had too much trouble with the ones I have had. OK Don wrote: The 140's. They sound like no end of trouble, and aren't 124s. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what? OK Don wrote: My condolences! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, I haven't, and don't bring one down - I don't need something to start the lust again. I've got my brace of 2.5 turbos, and I'm happy for now --- On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have never had one, you cant begin to know how wonderful they ride and drive. Yes, they do have alot of gadgets but I have never really had too much trouble with the ones I have had. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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next time you are up, I wont let you drive my 140 diesel. Afterward, you will find a 124 diesel to seem like a POS (except for the superior fuel mileage thing). OK Don wrote: No, I haven't, and don't bring one down - I don't need something to start the lust again. I've got my brace of 2.5 turbos, and I'm happy for now --- On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have never had one, you cant begin to know how wonderful they ride and drive. Yes, they do have alot of gadgets but I have never really had too much trouble with the ones I have had. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's what I thought, too. Especially hard to believe, though, that the French would accept such a bastardized sizing system - the imperial part of it, that is. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Yes they do, not sure how it came about but I suspect back in the good old days it was all imperial (die Englishers) and all metric (die Europeans) but then the two came together as the car market became global. Rims stayed imperial and the width became metric, which made life easier because the width goes up 5mm at a time and rim diameter goes up an inch at a time. Would not want the mess of 5 1/16 x 15 with a aspect ratio of 65, what is 65% of 5 1/16? The imperial measurement of rim diameter is more of an convention, there was an attempt to metricize it but it failed, more than likely due to the imperial nations. Personally I have no problem with the system, it works well, people know approximately what a 15 inch tire is and the tire shop knows what size tire goes on your car. Hendrik Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's the type of info I was looking for. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires since my family's Asian cars in Europe and European cars in Asia all seem to turn on wheels with diameters sized in inches, i don't know if i'd say especially; i'd say including ;-) i hope if someone is familiar with some other standard, they'll pipe up and clue us in as to what and where it is. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: Especially those exported to NA? Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires firstly, let's acknowledge that just because it's used in North America doesn't make it an American system,... ;-) judging by the fact that most all auto mfrs wheel diameters i can recall having seen (including all our MBZs) seem to be sized in inches, i'm guessing it's a pretty good chance that's what at least most of Europe and Asia use as well. cheers! e Wilton Strickland wrote: What tire sizing system does the rest of the world outside of North America use? Surely, they don't use this crazy, American system of mixing metric and English measurements to denote tire sizes, do they? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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does this mean you're now supplying W140 parts, or are you keeping them whole. Ed 300E 2008/12/5 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey, I got one of them, maybe 2 soon. Hendrik Fay wrote: Then there is the fancy crowd with big W140 S class limos out the back. Hendrik with both 123 and 124 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Only the losers do. The rest of us cheap skates has moved up to 124's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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well one is whole for sure, not sure about the other one yet, have not decided to buy it yet. E M wrote: does this mean you're now supplying W140 parts, or are you keeping them whole. Ed 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Without, I should say a presumed to be working block heater I probably should try it before it gets any colder... -Curt Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:52:38 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed was that with or without it being plugged in? Curt Raymond wrote: My '83 240D started perfectly this morning at 15F with CONVENTIONAL (Delvac 1300) oil in it. I'm not going to put M1 in that car as it leaks a quart in 800 miles and has a working block heater... Bounced it against maximum velocity this morning on the way to work. Car is running great. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. I must have been thinking of what's my 240D, which are indeed 195/70R14 Regatta 2s. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine, it would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth. Interesting theory. I wonder how the physics works out ... Craig On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The book calls for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15... Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile difference. That's only 2mph off at 60. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is aspect ratio, meaning that the height from rim to tread is 65% of the tread width. Don't ask me why. On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:03:18PM -0600, Wonko the Sane wrote: 65 ... how tall the tire is ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the '65' in your example is the Aspect Ratio; that represents the height of the tire, as a *percentage* of its width. so, 65% of 205 is going to be taller than 65% of 195,... cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? 205 is 205mm wide, 65 means 65% as tall as it is wide, so 205*.65*2/25.4+15=25.5 195*.65*2/25.4+15=25.0 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. Plug the tire info into the attached calculator. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: tirecalc.htm URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081204/9b0c5bdc/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. Plug the tire info into the attached calculator. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: tirecalc.htm URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081204/9b0c5bdc/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oops. Calculator didn't make it through to the list. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. Plug the tire info into the attached calculator. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: tirecalc.htm URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081204/9b 0c5bdc/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My understand, the aspect ration is expressed in a percentage of the width of the tire (sidewall to sidewall, not tread width). So you got it right, the 65 is the wall height, it's just represented as a percent of the width, not a number to indicate a size in itself, if that makes sense. ie, a 65 aspect ratio on a tire that is 205 wide, will be different in mm or cm's than would be a 65 aspect ration on a 305 width tire. I'm sure the engineer types will explain it much better, or correct me where I'm wrong. :-) Ed 300E 2008/12/4 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, someone educate me here. Thought I had this sorted out on the tirerack web site today, as follows: 205 ... how wide the tire is 65 ... how tall the tire is 15 ... the diameter of the rim Why would a 205/65 and a 195/65 be any different at the speedometer? Where's Marshall when you need him. (No answer necessary.) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... forget everything I said. That will teach me to do tire sizes from memory. The 300E has Michelin X-One tires of the size 205/65R15, so they are not the wrong size. Yes they are. Should be 205/60 or 195/65. Your 205/65s will still inaccurize the speedo. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. Seems like you're the only one not agreeing with all the rest of us. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. Look at this table. Note how the number of revolutions per mile goes down and diameter goes up as the width goes up from 185/65-15 to 195/65-15 to 205/65-15? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Generalmodel=Altimax+HP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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65% of 205 (133.25) is taller than 65% of 195 (126.75), and that is a physical and mathematical fact. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey, I never claimed it was LOGICAL - just that it is CORRECT! Your jury of one is definately OUT! On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:12:33 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. It's because the 65 is NOT the SAME TYPE of number as the tread width or the wheel diameter. The tread width is a dimension (distance): 205 millimeters. The wheel diameter is also a dimension: 15 inches. The aspect ratio is NOT a dimension, is a percentage: 65%. The height of the tire, then, is a percentage of the width. For the same percentage, if the width goes up, the height goes up. (The aspect ratio is the height of the tire -- in millimeters -- divided by the width of the tire -- also in millimeters.) [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Craig On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 250 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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maybe this explanation will help you grasp the concept: it's pretty clearly laid out here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=7; you need to get the idea that the '65' is a measurement out of your head; it's a *ratio*, not a fixed measurement. per the Tire Rack site: The second number is the aspect ratio. This is a ratio of sidewall height to width. in the old days when we were upsizing tires, the old rule-'o-thumb was that for approximately every 2 sizes up you'd go in width, you'd have to come *down* one size in Aspect Ratio to maintain a rollout that was the same as what you started with. 'zat help? ;-) cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. On Thu, Dec4, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. Seems like you're the only one not agreeing with all the rest of us. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. Look at this table. Note how the number of revolutions per mile goes down and diameter goes up as the width goes up from 185/65-15 to 195/65-15 to 205/65-15? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Generalmodel=Altimax+HP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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except that you won't be able to adjust the speedo needle, because it's going to be off by a *percentage*, not a fixed number. for example, that might mean 2 MPH off at an indicated 25, 4 MPH at an indicated 50, and 6 MPH off at an indicated 75. cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. On Thu, Dec4, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. Seems like you're the only one not agreeing with all the rest of us. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. Look at this table. Note how the number of revolutions per mile goes down and diameter goes up as the width goes up from 185/65-15 to 195/65-15 to 205/65-15? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Generalmodel=Altimax+HP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I do. And it is tucked into the garage, Battery Tender keeping things warm, waiting for spring. I am looking forward to NOT driving a 240D this winter. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Tom Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing. Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? First week of December and it still hasn't come up. I guess no one drives 123s anymore. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will be close enough for Iowa. I wouldn't even care were it not for the fact that I am so damn'd anal about stuff like this. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: except that you won't be able to adjust the speedo needle, because it's going to be off by a *percentage*, not a fixed number. for example, that might mean 2 MPH off at an indicated 25, 4 MPH at an indicated 50, and 6 MPH off at an indicated 75. cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. On Thu, Dec4, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. Seems like you're the only one not agreeing with all the rest of us. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. Look at this table. Note how the number of revolutions per mile goes down and diameter goes up as the width goes up from 185/65-15 to 195/65-15 to 205/65-15? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Generalmodel=Altimax+HP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did your SA-16 have a true airspeed (TAS) meter? Or was it merely INDICATED airspeed? But didn't you use TAS in nav plotting? How'd you get TAS? Temp and IAS on the E6B handheld nav computer? After doing a bunch of 'em, didn't you get so you could mentally compute TAS if you knew IAS and temp? My B-52's had both IAS and TAS meters plus Doppler even showing wind and ground speed, but I suspect they had much more computer capacity than SA-16's of the time. If I know that my speedometer is 2% or whatever off, I just easily and quickly and easily mentally convert it to true ground speed and leave the speedometer alone. If it's reading fast, it may keep SWMBO from getting a ticket. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires I am used to it. My parents said I was stubborn. I always assumed I was the only one who saw the reality others couldn't see, sort of like Thoreau. I am sometimes still like that. The fact is that it isn't that big of a deal. I will just see what true speed is on my GPS and adjust the needle accordingly on the speedometer. Need to pull the cluster anyway to fix that damn'd broken-odometer water torture clicking. I am sure not going to trash $400+ worth of still-good tires just to make the speedometer read correctly. And until I fix it, I will know that indicated 60 is actually 65, or plug in the GPS. On Thu, Dec4, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. Seems like you're the only one not agreeing with all the rest of us. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. Look at this table. Note how the number of revolutions per mile goes down and diameter goes up as the width goes up from 185/65-15 to 195/65-15 to 205/65-15? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Generalmodel=Altimax+HP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have never been in an SA-16. The USAF flew those. But I had 1500+ hours in the beloved HU16E. We didn't need no stinkin' air speed stuff once we left the runway, because Petty Officer Don (then) was sitting in the nav position running Loran-A and could give a DR of how fast we were going. But ... yea, we had a TAS indicator. Told the Officer Pilots when to pull back and shut their eyes as they left the runway. Joking aside, this is one of those really cool USCG secrets. Other than in the C-130, it was enlisted crew (and sometimes even in the 130) who were doing the nav. On our patrols, we'd be 200 miles east of Cape Cod and it was the enlisted guy who was telling the pilots where to turn the airplane, based on what targets were on radar. No radar display in the driver's seat -- nav had the display. The pilot and copilot took off and then pretty much turned it over to nav, who was often an E-4. Other than maybe RDF, the pilots only knew where they were if they listened to the nav guy (me). Home was 270 +/- 20 degrees. And this was all Loran A, a chart, and a mile wide grease pencil. A guy in his early 20s held the grease pencil. But we almost always came home alive. Almost. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Did your SA-16 have a true airspeed (TAS) meter? Or was it merely INDICATED airspeed? But didn't you use TAS in nav plotting? How'd you get TAS? Temp and IAS on the E6B handheld nav computer? After doing a bunch of 'em, didn't you get so you could mentally compute TAS if you knew IAS and temp? My B-52's had both IAS and TAS meters plus Doppler even showing wind and ground speed, but I suspect they had much more computer capacity than SA-16's of the time. If I know that my speedometer is 2% or whatever off, I just easily and quickly and easily mentally convert it to true ground speed and leave the speedometer alone. If it's reading fast, it may keep SWMBO from getting a ticket. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, a very wide tire can have a very short sidewall, it just wouldn't be called a 65, more likely a 45, or, what are some of the really low ones now?? 30? That's when the tire is pretty much painted on the rim. hee hee Ed 300E 2008/12/4 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very good. Rim is a measurement Width is a measurement Aspect Ratio is just a percentage of the width. I missed the beginning of this thread, how did this all start? Just refer to your manual and buy what the car came with. Unless you're changing rim sizes, or messing with other things, just stick to stock, it's a good compromise. Ed 300E 2008/12/4 ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe this explanation will help you grasp the concept: it's pretty clearly laid out here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=7; you need to get the idea that the '65' is a measurement out of your head; it's a *ratio*, not a fixed measurement. per the Tire Rack site: The second number is the aspect ratio. This is a ratio of sidewall height to width. in the old days when we were upsizing tires, the old rule-'o-thumb was that for approximately every 2 sizes up you'd go in width, you'd have to come *down* one size in Aspect Ratio to maintain a rollout that was the same as what you started with. 'zat help? ;-) cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: Your explanation seemed illogical so I looked for a second opinion. Seems the jury is still out. I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a 65 isn't a 65, no matter how wide the tire is. Just because the tire is wider, it shouldn't necessarily be taller. [I sense the start of a new oil thread.] On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:45 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told you about this the last time we discussed tire size - pay attention this time. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will just buy 195s next time. :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tall/height meaning distance from rim to tread expressed as percentage of width. Tire dia = rim dia plus 2 X tire height. -- OK Don, KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: And this was all Loran A, a chart, and a mile wide grease pencil. A guy in his early 20s held the grease pencil. But we almost always came home alive. Almost. So, how many times did you come home dead? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The book calls for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15... Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile difference. That's only 2mph off at 60. RLE ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine, it would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The book calls for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15... Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile difference. That's only 2mph off at 60. RLE ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ( http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine, it would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth. Interesting theory. I wonder how the physics works out ... Craig On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The book calls for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15... Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile difference. That's only 2mph off at 60. RLE ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ( http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 250 kmi 1994 E420 117 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
