Re: Ok, what now?
I'm just "seconding" what Andu said. Your range of uses for Metacard will likely depend on things like: - what you do for a living - what you do for fun - how computing and the internet fit into the above I found that with MC as my "hammer" of choice, my world abounds with nails just waiting - *begging* - to be driven! Food for thought. Take a look at some of the things available for download at http://www.xworlds.com - you may be surprised. Phil Davis andu wrote: Hi all I've just downloaded the MetaCard starter kit, and had a bit of a look at the demo, and quite frankly it impressed the hell out of me. What I'd like now is a few ideas on how I might put this thing to good use. If anyone has any great ideas or tips on how make the most of MetaCard, please respond (on or off list as you prefer). The simple answer is that you can write almost any kind of application and/or utilities with it for at least 3 platforms. Some experience with Hypercard or Supercard is definitely helpful otherwise just take it step by step and ask all the stupid questions like most users do at some point or another ;-). Also there is an archive with previous posts at http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard which is most informative. The ideas should come from you but if you need help implementing them ask the list. Cheers Tim Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Phil Davis --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] days: (503) 417-7930 eves: (503) 557-5656 --- Facilitator Essentials of eBusiness Computing Information Technology Institute http://www.iti.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Ok, what now?
I've just downloaded the MetaCard starter kit, and had a bit of a look at the demo, and quite frankly it impressed the hell out of me. What I'd like now is a few ideas on how I might put this thing to good use. If anyone has any great ideas or tips on how make the most of MetaCard, please respond (on or off list as you prefer). As the others have pointed out, the xworlds.com collection is a great starting point. All the best MetaCarders out there have adde to it, including Andu, Tuviah, of course the Crossworlds gang, and many others. But like Phil Davis suggested, perhaps the most important thing is to just play with it. Go wild -- I've found little I can't do with MetaCard. I suspect you'll find the same as well. And as with any tool, there will be times when you want to kick it in the shins -- but if your experience is like most folks', you'll discover that more often than not it's more a question of understanding the tool than any inherent limitation in the tool itself. The best thing is that you've already discovered the most valuable MetaCard resource: this list. Happy scripting! -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: carbonized MetaCard
But you should keep in mind that the final release of Mac OS X is many, many months away and while it might make a good development platform before then, there probably won't be a large enough installed base to bother with making distributions for that platform until sometime next year. Gee, Scott, you don't think an OS which requires a proprietary language to write native apps for and only runs on the most expensive machines in the industry isn't going to take over the world? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: mcEncrypt
From: Peter Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:26:18 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mcEncrypt Can I check what characters can be in an encrypted string as generated by mcEncrypt(). I'd really like some help hacking this -:) This is the function used to produce passwords by the Ask dialog but it is not documented in the help. I'd like to be sure that a generated password can't include the tab character as I want to store user passwords in tab-delimited records. Also, I'm generating dummy user data and want to generate passwords based on combinations of first names, surnames, initials etc. and don't want to generate passwords containing my field/item separator! Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice with password systems is that they are one-way process only). If there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its parameters? And would it be possible to post this on the web site? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Call by reference parameters are great...
but -:)
I'd use them a lot more if I could call functions without having to include
the parameter:
I have for instance a function "extractXmlData":
function extractXmlData xmlTagName, someXml
...
return taggedText
end extractXmlData
Now mostly I just want the data so I use:
put extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount) into myWallet
Or something similar.
But occasionally I want to then remove the evidence (or otherwise manipulate
the source text). By simply tagging call by reference parameters to the end
of the function I can easily get hold of these:
function extractXmlData xmlTagName, someXml, @startTag, @endTag
...
return taggedText
end extractXmlData
So now I can:
put extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount, startTag,
endTag) into myWallet
delete char startTag to endTag of hisBankAccount
This is all cool, especially for complex parsing scripts that actually
calculate a lot of useful information that is not returned in the result.
The problem is twofold:
1) You cannot ommit the call-by-reference parameters in the function
call. Therefore:
get extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount)
Won't work (you get a script execution error - you must:
get extractXmlData("kevins_CreditCardNumber", hisBankAccount, dummy1, yuk)
Even if you don't want the stuff. This prevents me from using them in
frequently used handlers.
2) If I am right you can't "do" them, and as a consequence I think you
can't debug them???
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Re: mcEncrypt
Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice with password systems is that they are one-way process only). If there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its parameters? Oops, I asked this question some time ago and was told no decryption then - sorry to repeat myself! Still interested in the characters generated by mcEncrypt() though! Cheers Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
MC Statistics Builder
Hi fellow MC users. I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a completed project and print out some of those to paper. So I made a program that: 1. Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each accordingly 2. Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section. 3. Tells other general information about your stack. If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool. I find it useful at times and thought others might too. If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as a tool for download. -Mark Talluto Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC Statistics Builder
Hi fellow MC users. I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a completed project and print out some of those to paper. So I made a program that: 1. Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each accordingly 2. Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section. 3. Tells other general information about your stack. If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool. I find it useful at times and thought others might too. If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as a tool for download. Could you please send me a copy? Thanks. -Mark Talluto Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC Statistics Builder
On 22/9/00 4:24 pm, Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi fellow MC users. I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a completed project and print out some of those to paper. So I made a program that: 1. Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each accordingly 2. Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section. 3. Tells other general information about your stack. If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool. I find it useful at times and thought others might too. If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as a tool for download. Please send me a copy off list and we'll be happy to host it! Regards, Kevin -Mark Talluto Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Pagination experiences
on 9/21/00 6:26 PM, Kevin Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...By slow I mean more than a second on a fast computer. That sounds quite fast: how fast do you need it to be? Actually, now that you mention it, it is. :-) MetaCard is amazing. But still, one second on a fast machine could be as much as ten or fifteen seconds on a slow machine that I would still want to support. and on 9/21/00 6:35 PM, Scott Raney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one: Use the pageHeights property of the field, which does all of this work automatically for you ;-) You know, nobody likes a wiseguy, Scott :-) After considering the issue for a moment, I think the pageHeights property _may_ do the trick, but I'll still have to do a little work (this assumes constant line heights, which is safe for my application): 1. Put the text from the start to the text that must be included into the field. 2. Get the page heights. 3. Add up all but the last. 4. Count the pageHeights to see what page I'm on. 5. Figure out the chunk description for the beginning of the last page. 6. Add text, and figure out how much will fit on the last page. 7. Place that text in the field, and put in the page number from step 4. By the way, the pageHeights doesn't support widow and orphan control, does it? I'll have to adjust to that. gc Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: mcEncrypt
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Peter Reid wrote: Can I check what characters can be in an encrypted string as generated by mcEncrypt(). This is the function used to produce passwords by the Ask dialog but it is not documented in the help. I'd like to be sure that a generated password can't include the tab character as I want to store user passwords in tab-delimited records. Also, I'm generating dummy user data and want to generate passwords based on combinations of first names, surnames, initials etc. and don't want to generate passwords containing my field/item separator! It can contain tabs, so you'd better use the base64Encode() function to encode it before storing it away. Also, I'm assuming that there isn't an mcDecrypt (common practice with password systems is that they are one-way process only). If there is a decryption function, what is it called and what are its parameters? There isn't one. Scott Cheers Peter -- Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC Statistics Builder
Me too? From: Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:09:50 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC Statistics Builder On 22/9/00 4:24 pm, Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi fellow MC users. I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a completed project and print out some of those to paper. So I made a program that: 1. Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each accordingly 2. Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section. 3. Tells other general information about your stack. If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool. I find it useful at times and thought others might too. If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as a tool for download. Please send me a copy off list and we'll be happy to host it! Regards, Kevin -Mark Talluto Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Pagination experiences
Geoff, I have been working on making a both creator and reader 'ebooks', so a I have needed paginating a 'book' from a text file. The best solution I have found is to use the pageheights property, as Scott suggests in other response, because it makes the work very well without effort, but it is not so fast as you want. Finding a particular chunk may be done with a simple 'find' command --very fast in 100 pages or bigger books. Or you have to 'index' the text to know in which pages a particular word appears, but this a process that takes more time to build the index. Regards, Jose Luis - José L. RodrÃguez Illera Universitat de Barcelona Passeig Vall d'Hebron, 171 08035 Barcelona --E From: "Geoff Canyon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pagination experiences Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:51:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm wondering if anyone here has experience writing pagination routines in MetaCard. I'm considering writing a routine that would take a 50-100k block of text, a font, a font size, a field size, and figure out where the page breaks should occur from beginning to end. The actual goal is to be able to go to an arbitrary chunk of the text, and know what page number to put under it. My first instinct is to use the height of the field and the formattedHeight function on chunks of text, finding page-sized chunks and counting them until I get to the chunk I want to display. but this is fairly slow across perhaps hundreds of pages. By slow I mean more than a second on a fast computer. But my second instinct is to figure out how many lines will fit onto one page, figure out how tall those lines are individually, and then just search for the largest n such that n*(the number of lines that will fit on a page) is still less than the chunk I want to display, and then use n+1 for a page number. I'm sure that's not clear, but if someone's done it, I'm betting it will be clear to them. This might be much faster, but will it work? Thanks to anyone who has a suggestion, Geoff Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Transposing sound clips?
In hypercard, there is an option to transpose a single sound up and down a scale such as play "harpsichord" "c d e f g a b" is there a similar property in metacard instead of recording different notes for a single sound? Scott Yang, M.D. Kadena Pediatrics Okinawa, Japan Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
DownloadNGo Help?
I'm trying to get a variation of MC's DownloadnGO script to work with a stack I posted on our Web site (commercial host). Whenever I run the script, the data contained in the cached url is HTML generated by my ISP which says the requested page can't be found. I've tried accessing Sivakatirswami's Himalayan stack with success, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't the script I'm using. I know I've posted my test file in binary format so that's not the issue. This is the address to the test file I'm using: http://www.tactilemedia.com/test/majortest.mc Might this have something to do with the protocol MC uses to retrieve URLs? Do I need to use a command other than load URL? Thanks for any help -- I'm stumped. Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Indenting?
Is there any way to indent text in a text field? I want to try to avoid any "hardwired" spacing in the text and MC doesn't seem to understand HTML ul tags. Any other options? Thanks Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: DownloadNGo Help?
Just a thought, but try Metacard 2.3.2 as it has more support for http and funny (re-directed) url's as often provided by service providers... From: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:48:43 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DownloadNGo Help? I'm trying to get a variation of MC's DownloadnGO script to work with a stack I posted on our Web site (commercial host). Whenever I run the script, the data contained in the cached url is HTML generated by my ISP which says the requested page can't be found. I've tried accessing Sivakatirswami's Himalayan stack with success, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't the script I'm using. I know I've posted my test file in binary format so that's not the issue. This is the address to the test file I'm using: http://www.tactilemedia.com/test/majortest.mc Might this have something to do with the protocol MC uses to retrieve URLs? Do I need to use a command other than load URL? Thanks for any help -- I'm stumped. Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
