Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Title: Message Ok, A little more on my idea of how to search for meteorites in relatively high contrast, low noiseareas like sand dunes. I realize that they won't be as easy to automatically recognize as a 10 foot diameter shinny black fusion crusted meteorite in the middle of an Antarctic ice field. However I do believe the following method will work and it would be fun! Low cost ultra miniature UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) sometimes called MAVs (miniature aerial vehicle) are hand launched andbelly landed and have a range of about50 miles. Theycan fly at an altitude of a few feet to 1000 feet.They can be either battery or liquid fuel powered (aerosol can). On board is a microcontroller, 4 mega-pixel digital camera, GPS receiver, and5 GHz 802.11a wireless LAN Interface capable of transmitting 104 megabits per second. The wireless LAN Interface is used for video transmission, streaming real-time telemetry and remote control. Remote control can be preformed in real-time by a person operating a laptop with remote control software comprised of a video window and a 3d topo map showing the real-time GPS position of the UAV and standard aeronautical controls (graphically simulated sticks, indicators and gauges) The laptop computer is connected to an 802.11a access point with an attached pitch and rotation controlled directional high gain parabolic antenna positioned at a pre-selected strategic high ground line of site vantage point. The UAV control program running on the laptop can be configured to automatically execute a standard systematic grid search pattern or an out and backmodified grid/radial pattern planed around the range characteristics of the UAV. During the execution of the search pattern the laptop records a series of overlapping snapshots stamped with GPS coordinate, UAV spatial orientation, date/time, and other pertinent information. A pixel-pattern discrimination program reviews the snapshots (Photoshop on steroids). The program allows the user to graphically select targets from a database of object photos and parametric deviation criteria. The object database contains key information on each photographed object in the database. The pixel pattern selection algorithm is adaptive and can adjust itself based on various prevailing conditions such as atmospheric, meteorological, light, shadow, time of day, spatial orientation. It selects suspects. Suspect targets are manually reviewed at high resolution. A larger, more sophisticated UAV with a steerable zoom camera can be dispatched to the GPS coordinates for a closer look at an interesting target. At that point, if things look good I think it would be ok to hop in the old dune buggy (local land use laws permitting) and have a look. This method could be refined and improved with practice to perhaps find meteorites in lower contrast higher noise areas. Dan Vail
Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Title: Message Hello all, I know that I am not the rocket scientist here this may be an oversimplified theory but I have a picture of my house my fathers house taken from a satellite in orbit. Now I may be wrong but I kinda think that if someone is going to go to the trouble of putting millions of dollars of equipment into orbit that they would include thermal imaging as part of that inventory. Here is my thought, in the evening, at dusk when the desert floor is no longer being heated by the sun wouldn't the sand, plants surrounding landscape cool off faster than the darker colored rocks (meteorites) with iron content? And if the meteorites did cool slower or have a higher temp because of their darker color couldn't we print out a GPS based list of these thermal hot spots? This is just an idea considering that the technology I think is there is probably classified we could never gain access to it anyway. Sincerely,JimJames Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact)Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: dvail To: 'Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral' Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites Ok, A little more on my idea of how to search for meteorites in relatively high contrast, low noiseareas like sand dunes. I realize that they won't be as easy to automatically recognize as a 10 foot diameter shinny black fusion crusted meteorite in the middle of an Antarctic ice field. However I do believe the following method will work and it would be fun! Low cost ultra miniature UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) sometimes called MAVs (miniature aerial vehicle) are hand launched andbelly landed and have a range of about50 miles. Theycan fly at an altitude of a few feet to 1000 feet.They can be either battery or liquid fuel powered (aerosol can). On board is a microcontroller, 4 mega-pixel digital camera, GPS receiver, and5 GHz 802.11a wireless LAN Interface capable of transmitting 104 megabits per second. The wireless LAN Interface is used for video transmission, streaming real-time telemetry and remote control. Remote control can be preformed in real-time by a person operating a laptop with remote control software comprised of a video window and a 3d topo map showing the real-time GPS position of the UAV and standard aeronautical controls (graphically simulated sticks, indicators and gauges) The laptop computer is connected to an 802.11a access point with an attached pitch and rotation controlled directional high gain parabolic antenna positioned at a pre-selected strategic high ground line of site vantage point. The UAV control program running on the laptop can be configured to automatically execute a standard systematic grid search pattern or an out and backmodified grid/radial pattern planed around the range characteristics of the UAV. During the execution of the search pattern the laptop records a series of overlapping snapshots stamped with GPS coordinate, UAV spatial orientation, date/time, and other pertinent information. A pixel-pattern discrimination program reviews the snapshots (Photoshop on steroids). The program allows the user to graphically select targets from a database of object photos and parametric deviation criteria. The object database contains key information on each photographed object in the database. The pixel pattern selection algorithm is adaptive and can adjust itself based on various prevailing conditions such as atmospheric, meteorological, light, shadow, time of day, spatial orientation. It selects suspects. Suspect targets are manually reviewed at high resolution. A larger, more sophisticated UAV with a steerable zoom camera can be dispatched to the GPS coordinates for a closer look at an interesting target. At that point, if things look good I think it would be ok to hop in the old dune buggy (local land use laws permitting) and have a look. This method could be refined and improved with practice to perhaps find meteorites in lower contrast higher noise areas. Dan Vail
Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Hi Dan, Sounds like you have been discussing things with Mr. Rumsfield and his employees. One thing about GPS though ... it comes in different flavors. I'm retired now, but while I was on active duty we had GPS units that would be accurate to one meter. I've found most civilian units do not givevery accuratereadings. Matterof fact I found this out the hard way in Central America. I don't think it is still imposed, but I thought there was some sort of Government imposed deviation in the triangulation calculations for the civilian GPS receivers. I believe that newer civilian units supplement the satellite information with ground based information to give a more accurate position fix. As for the rest of your idea ... I think it would work for object of a specific size or larger. If you decide to implement this plan I would certainly like to know the outcome. Best of Luck Tom Kilcrease PS I wonder what the budget would look like for the operation? - Original Message - From: dvail Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:15 AM To: 'Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral' Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites Ok, A little more on my idea of how to search for meteorites in relatively high contrast, low noiseareas like sand dunes. I realize that they won't be as easy to automatically recognize as a 10 foot diameter shinny black fusion crusted meteorite in the middle of an Antarctic ice field. However I do believe the following method will work and it would be fun! Low cost ultra miniature UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) sometimes called MAVs (miniature aerial vehicle) are hand launched andbelly landed and have a range of about50 miles. Theycan fly at an altitude of a few feet to 1000 feet.They can be either battery or liquid fuel powered (aerosol can). On board is a microcontroller, 4 mega-pixel digital camera, GPS receiver, and5 GHz 802.11a wireless LAN Interface capable of transmitting 104 megabits per second. The wireless LAN Interface is used for video transmission, streaming real-time telemetry and remote control. Remote control can be preformed in real-time by a person operating a laptop with remote control software comprised of a video window and a 3d topo map showing the real-time GPS position of the UAV and standard aeronautical controls (graphically simulated sticks, indicators and gauges) The laptop computer is connected to an 802.11a access point with an attached pitch and rotation controlled directional high gain parabolic antenna positioned at a pre-selected strategic high ground line of site vantage point. The UAV control program running on the laptop can be configured to automatically execute a standard systematic grid search pattern or an out and backmodified grid/radial pattern planed around the range characteristics of the UAV. During the execution of the search pattern the laptop records a series of overlapping snapshots stamped with GPS coordinate, UAV spatial orientation, date/time, and other pertinent information. A pixel-pattern discrimination program reviews the snapshots (Photoshop on steroids). The program allows the user to graphically select targets from a database of object photos and parametric deviation criteria. The object database contains key information on each photographed object in the database. The pixel pattern selection algorithm is adaptive and can adjust itself based on various prevailing conditions such as atmospheric, meteorological, light, shadow, time of day, spatial orientation. It selects suspects. Suspect targets are manually reviewed at high resolution. A larger, more sophisticated UAV with a steerable zoom camera can be dispatched to the GPS coordinates for a closer look at an interesting target. At that point, if things look good I think it would be ok to hop in the old dune buggy (local land use laws permitting) and have a look. This method could be refined and improved with practice to perhaps find meteorites in lower contrast higher noise areas. Dan Vail
[meteorite-list] The Brustseite (flight-orientated meteorites)
Thank you, Bernd, for providing us with additional names of flight-orientated meteorites. A picture of the Middlesbrough chondrite, for example, can be found at www.meteorites.de/jpg/middlesbrough.jpg A cast of this meteorite (with correct weight! of 1600 g) can be ordered from our web site for only 125$ as well: www.meteorites.de/sale.htm Have a nice Easter break Dieter
[meteorite-list] Comet Ikeya-Zhang Photo Gallery
Dear list, Wow!! Spectacular photos: http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_iz.html Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Jim, Normally objects which heat up faster also cool faster, so the dark, metal-containing meteorites would probably cool off faster than the surrounding sand or earth. They might still show up as a negative thermal image however. Thomas Thomas H. Webb On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Meteorite1 wrote: MessageHello all, I know that I am not the rocket scientist here this may be an oversimplified theory but I have a picture of my house my fathers house taken from a satellite in orbit. Now I may be wrong but I kinda think that if someone is going to go to the trouble of putting millions of dollars of equipment into orbit that they would include thermal imaging as part of that inventory. Here is my thought, in the evening, at dusk when the desert floor is no longer being heated by the sun wouldn't the sand, plants surrounding landscape cool off faster than the darker colored rocks (meteorites) with iron content? And if the meteorites did cool slower or have a higher temp because of their darker color couldn't we print out a GPS based list of these thermal hot spots? This is just an idea considering that the technology I think is there is probably classified we could never gain access to it anyway. Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net imca_509 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: dvail To: 'Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral' Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites Ok, A little more on my idea of how to search for meteorites in relatively high contrast, low noise areas like sand dunes. I realize that they won't be as easy to automatically recognize as a 10 foot dia meter shinny black fusion crusted meteorite in the middle of an Antarctic ice field. However I do believe the following method will work and it would be fun! Low cost ultra miniature UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) sometimes called MAVs (miniature aerial vehicle) are hand launched and belly landed and have a range of about 50 miles. They can fly at an altitude of a few feet to 1000 feet. They can be either battery or liquid fuel powered (aerosol can). On board is a microcontroller, 4 mega-pixel d igital camera, GPS receiver, and 5 GHz 802.11a wireless LAN Interface capable of transmitting 104 megabits per second. The wireless LAN Interface is used for video transmission, streaming real-time telemetry and remote control. Remote control can be preformed in real-time by a person operating a laptop with remote control software comprised of a video window and a 3d topo map showing the real-time GPS position of the UAV and standard aeronautical controls (graphically simulated sticks, indicators and gaug es) The laptop computer is connected to an 802.11a access point with an attached pitch and rotation controlled directional high gain parabolic antenna positioned at a pre-selected strategic high ground line of site vantage point. The UAV control program running on the laptop can be configured to automatically execute a standard systematic grid search pattern or an out and back modified grid/radial pattern planed around the range characteristics of the UAV. During the execution of the search pattern the l aptop records a series of overlapping snapshots stamped with GPS coordinate, UAV spatial orientation, date/time, and other pertinent information. A pixel-pattern discrimination program reviews the snapshots (Photoshop on steroids). The program allows the user to graphically select targets from a database of object photos and parametric deviation criteria. The object database contains key information on each photographed object in the database. The pixel pattern selection algorithm is adaptive and can ad just itself based on various prevailing conditions such as atmospheric, meteorological, light, shadow, time of day, spatial orientation. It selects suspects. Suspect targets are manually reviewed at high resolution. A larger, more sophisticated UAV with a steerable zoom camera can be dispatched to the GPS coordinates for a closer look at an interesting target. At that point, if things look good I think it would be ok to hop in the old dune buggy (local land use laws permitting) and have a look. This method could be refined and improved with practice to perhaps find meteorites in lower contrast higher noise areas. Dan Vail ×
[meteorite-list] He beat me to it!
= Al said: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:38:31 -0800 From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Can pigeons be intermediate source for meteorites? DELETE PLEASE! Hi Dave, David Freeman wrote: If a bunch of city pigeons were eating the tiny stones from old roofing paper on a roof, and were also eating micro meteorites as a source for gastroliths, would they deposit micro meteorite bird do-do on the roofs of buildings to be blown down on unsuspecting passers by that carry magnets around? Where do you think the name pigenonite came from?? :-) But at least I can spell pigeonite correctly even if he did get there before me! ho hum dave -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't fit into my signature file __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Can pigeons be intermediate source for meteorites? DELETE PLEASE!
Dear Dave, I think you should follow through on your idea and let us all know what the results are. There are literally tons of pigeon dropping in the palm trees and on the flat roofs of buildings in the Phoenix area. In fact, there are quite a few on the roof of my own house. Come on down and collect all you want. I'll put you up in the guest room and even sell you one of my MagCanes at a 10% discount...but you'll have to process your doo-doo off premises..;-) John At 07:51 PM 3/29/02 -0700, David Freeman wrote: Dear List; If a bunch of city pigeons were eating the tiny stones from old roofing paper on a roof, and were also eating micro meteorites as a source for gastroliths, would they deposit micro meteorite bird do-do on the roofs of buildings to be blown down on unsuspecting passers by that carry magnets around? Could the Holbrook bunny-turd testers judge pigeon do-do too? Maybe a new classification for meteorites...ones manufactured (conglomerated) by birds... Skeptical pigeon, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bensour
Hello everyone, I am finally home after the Africa and South Pacific trips. The Bensour trip was successful, as I acquired 18.7 kilos of material from this beautiful new fall. On a downside, it seems that Dean Bessey and another European conspired to drive the price up by offering high prices when I arrived in Africa. Dean bought less than 100 grams for $5 gram, in order to make my price rise. I have the email proof of anyone wants to see it. Anyway, the net result was that I indeed had to pay more. I had negotiated a price and offered the ~$2 gram based on that price. The problem is that I had not paid yet and did not have the stones in my hands, so the Moroccans raised my price as is their right to do. My total cost including trip expenses is $3.20 gram, I have been emailing all night to people who made their requests for me, and offering it at that price, as opposed to the ~$2 gram. By the way, please feel free to look at my original email below if there is any confusion, I did not quote a firm exact price of $2 gram, but rather very clearly "Around $2 gram", so although the price is higher than I had hoped, it is still within my offer. A Couple of people have had a problem with that, and I do indeed apologize, but in the rear world things change, and this did. Even at the raised price of $3.20 gram, it is still almost 5 times lower than Deans price of $15 gram, if that is not a damn good bargain, I don't know what is. Anyone who agrees or disagrees with this, please email us and tell us why? I look for any input on this matter. Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] Fall or Find?
Hi. A quick question: Is TARBAGATAI (L5), Russia, of 1912/11/10 a fall or a find? I'm doing the November entries for the 2003 Meteorite Calendar, and MetBase ver.5 has it as a FALL, M. Grady Meteorites from A to Z, says FIND. I don't know which Meteoritical Bulletin it would be under. Thanks for the help in advance. Best regards, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com/2003.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Hi Dave and all, I think that a number of people, myself and some of my friends who are also meteorite aficionados, have not only thought of this but have hunted the dunes in Indiana and Michigan. One word of caution though, the Gary Steel Mills has deposited both small and larger flakes and chunks of slags. It is not uncommon to find some very realistic looking meteorwrongs as you get closer to the Gary side and no doubt there can be items that have moved due to people. Hunting stones would be a better idea there and appropriate equipment (and water) a must. You can get pretty tired walking around in the sand not to mention all the dune hills that are killers and keep you from covering the area you need to but it is worth the hunt. I wonder though if meteorites would be remaining after several thousand years (after the glaciers) could have deposited them. With the moist Indiana and Michigan weather I would expect them to be in a high state of oxidation. Rather new falls might be found from past years and that is what I would look for. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Best Easter Fishes
Two parts... To all those who celebrate a spring holiday, Happy Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox, or other seasonal observance. Second, are there any terrestrial rocks that resemble pallasites, or is the mix of crystal and iron strictly a meteoric phenomenon? We're having an indoor Easter Egg Hunt at my library; we got a rare but welcome rain overnight, and our garden area is SQUISHY. Must go hide plastic eggs now... Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Easter to all
Hello All I want to augur to all one Good Easter and to find one meteorite within the paschal egg. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Best Easter Fishes
Second, are there any terrestrial rocks that resemble pallasites, or is the mix of crystal and iron strictly a meteoric phenomenon? I can't answer this question but I know there's a type of rock called San Benadinoite (or something close to that) that somewhat resembles chondrites. Its been a couple years or so since I've seen any (one of my friend's grandfathers is an old rock hound and he had some) but from what I can remember there are blue colored spherules set in a grey fine grained matrix. It almost looked like a phsychodelic colored chondrite with sparse, slightly larger than normal chondrules. I wish I could tell you more but its been a long time since I've seen any and I was just getting into meteoritics (and rocks in general for that matter) at the time so I didn't really know what types of observations to make. If I remember correctly the only place on earth you can find it is in some cave out in California. Weird stuff indeed! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tracy Latimer Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Best Easter Fishes Two parts... To all those who celebrate a spring holiday, Happy Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox, or other seasonal observance. Second, are there any terrestrial rocks that resemble pallasites, or is the mix of crystal and iron strictly a meteoric phenomenon? We're having an indoor Easter Egg Hunt at my library; we got a rare but welcome rain overnight, and our garden area is SQUISHY. Must go hide plastic eggs now... Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Brustseite
Marcin wrote: I think You forget BASZKÓWKA L5 [15 kg] Hello Marcin and List, Yeah, Marcin, you are right. How could I forget that beautiful, oriented stone of 15.5 kg with radial regmaglypts on the Brustseite (size about 30 x 18 cm). This is my photo of Baszkowka copy. I don't have good photo of original stone. A good bw photo can be found in Joel's Meteorite! magazine, February, 1998, vol. 4, no. 1, p. 12. Best Easter wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tarbagatai: Fall or Find?
Roman Jirasek wrote: Is TARBAGATAI (L5), Russia, of 1912/11/10 a fall or a find? I'm doing the November entries for the 2003 Meteorite Calendar, and MetBase ver.5 has it as a FALL, M. Grady Meteorites from A to Z, says FIND. Hello Roman and List, The 4th edition of the Catalogue (1985) has the following addition: Found 1912, or fell 10 November, 1912. To make matters worse, the 3rd edition (1966) says it was found in 1902 :-( Best Easter wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Sand Dunes Meteorites - survey by aircraft
Regarding the discussion about Remote-controlled Meteorite-Recovery over sand dunes - again, the technology exists, but the cost is still keeping it impractical. But there's a bigger problem. Here in SoCal the more promising sand dunes are those that are Off-Limits to off-road vehicle traffic. When you add the criteria that you can't drive to the spot where you remotely observed the prospective target - that you have to drop-down or land to inspect the target - the remote-controlled aircraft are less-favored over a craft that can be controlled BY A PILOT to float-descend-ascend and move on to the next target. Now, in this latter case the technology DOESN'T exist, presently. But when it does, THEN that will get my attention. Here is what we have available presently - a one-man, STEERABLE (by fan) hot air balloon: http://cameronballoons.com/1998/airships_98.htm http://cameronballoons.com/1998/hopper_98.htm http://cameronballoons.com/1998/index_98.htm And here are some web sites for RC balloons blimps: http://www.floatograph.com/ http://www.floatograph.com/sale/1.htm http://www.blimpcam.com/rchotairballoon/ http://www.blimpcam.com/blimphawk/ http://www.myairship.com/index.html http://www.myairship.com/rcblimp/index.html Add to those price tags the cost of the remote sensing equipment, and you truly have a rich-man's hobby toy! ;-) Bob V. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bensour
Michael Farmer wrote: ...the Moroccans raised my price as is their right to do. My total cost including trip expenses is $3.20 gram.. so although the price is higher than I had hoped, it is still within my offer. A Couple of people have had a problem with that, and I do indeed apologize, but in the rear world things change, and this did. Even at the raised price of $3.20 gram, it is still almost 5 times lower than Deans price of $15 gram, if that is not a damn good bargain, I don't know what is. Anyone who agrees or disagrees with this, please email us and tell us why? I look for any input on this matter. Mike Farmer -- Gee, Mike, I have a problem with wading through the garbage you two were slinging at one anotherthen you offering material at $2/g in a spirit of my dad can beat up your dad. sort of way. I was so ticked at both of you that I nearly bought a kilo to stick it to you for spreading all that crap all over the list for days. BUT, I just ordered 30 grams - I thought that was enough to make the point..but now you want to back out? OK, Mike, I'll tell you what - I will HAPPILY let you off the hook (and you DID confirm my order at $2 a gram) - IF you sollomly promis not to act like a hybrid between a child and a rabid junk yard dog, name calling and smearing crapola all over this list when someone yanks your chain - ever again. It will be WELL worth it to me. Otherwise, be a man and fork over the $2/g order you bragged about. Not just to me, but to everyone who ordered based on your advertized price. Personally, I would vastly prefer the promise. You are a good guy, Mike. It is time you acted like it all the time. We know you got it in ya. Give us the commitment I'll gladly pass on the $2/g offer. RSVP Best wishes - truly - Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Bensour
Michael, read the email below, it is the one where I made the offer, tell me what it says, please. It is intire, no editing, or you can go into the archives, your choice, it clearly states the price ar around $2 gram Not exactly $2. That implies that the price was not exactly set yet. I would also like to remind you that you have many times in the past acted up on the list, when your name was in question like mine was, do you find that you can do it but I have no right to? If so then that is an interesting point of view. While I clearly admit that both of our actions were well below par, it is still the same as all the other dribble out there when people go at it, either the price wars or the Dean Nakhla dog. As a member of the list, I accept what comes on it, or else I can simply unsubscribe. I want you to read that email, and tell me what you think it says, then we will make a deal. Mike Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more lies and self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Bensour Michael Farmer wrote: ...the Moroccans raised my price as is their right to do. My total cost including trip expenses is $3.20 gram.. so although the price is higher than I had hoped, it is still within my offer. A Couple of people have had a problem with that, and I do indeed apologize, but in the rear world things change, and this did. Even at the raised price of $3.20 gram, it is still almost 5 times lower than Deans price of $15 gram, if that is not a damn good bargain, I don't know what is. Anyone who agrees or disagrees with this, please email us and tell us why? I look for any input on this matter. Mike Farmer -- Gee, Mike, I have a problem with wading through the garbage you two were slinging at one anotherthen you offering material at $2/g in a spirit of my dad can beat up your dad. sort of way. I was so ticked at both of you that I nearly bought a kilo to stick it to you for spreading all that crap all over the list for days. BUT, I just ordered 30 grams - I thought that was enough to make the point..but now you want to back out? OK, Mike, I'll tell you what - I will HAPPILY let you off the hook (and you DID confirm my order at $2 a gram) - IF you sollomly promis not to act like a hybrid between a child and a rabid junk yard dog, name calling and smearing crapola all over this list when someone yanks your chain - ever again. It will be WELL worth it to me. Otherwise, be a man and fork over the $2/g order you bragged about. Not just to me, but to everyone who ordered based on your advertized price. Personally, I would vastly prefer the promise. You are a good guy, Mike. It is time you acted like it all the time. We know you got it in ya. Give us the commitment I'll gladly pass on the $2/g offer. RSVP Best wishes - truly - Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peace Bensour
Dear Mike, While I do not agree that a 60% increase is around the same price, neither do I want to see ANYONE take any major financial losses in this or any other situation. I am dissapointed you SIMPLY do not state you will stop calling names and using obscenities on the list. HOWEVER, I do grant you the following: 1) I believe you when you say this material COST you 3.20/g 2) It is big of you (and I mean that, sincerely) to pass it on at no profit to those who ordered at the time you offered it at about $2/g. 3) I also acknowledge that after the initial 24hrs of taking orders at $~2/g you told everyone on the list that further orders would be based on a reasonable proffit, so, I do not feel ANYONE has a basis to gripe about whatever resonable price for which you offer the material beyond the original orders taken - certainly, that would be a good deal MORE than $3.20/g, especially since you traveled half way round the world and back to get it. -- THAT BEING SAID, Mike, you really do owe it to the list not to 1) use obscenities 2) call people names engage in attacks meant only to hurt others I am not sure why you couldn't bring yourself to simply commit to doing this, but I do hope you find it within yourself. You have a great resavour of energy that you often use to the benifit of yourself and everyone in both the private and in the scientific arenas of meteoritics. It is a shame to use that energy to engage in negative campagning - especeially in a public forum. Sincere best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour
Michael, you are correct, I will do my best to stop cursing, and the name calling is certainly below me, please remind me should I fail to remember that in the heat that this list often generates. I appreciate that you understand the dangers and difficulties in making the journey, let me tell you how it goes. I leave my house at 6 am, fly to Dallas and sit there for 5 hours, then fly for 11 hours to Paris, then I have to spend 10 hours in Paris, (remember, this is after traveling almost 18 hours and being dirty, tired etc). I go say hello to Alain Carion, then sit at Orly airport for about 4 hours, fly for 4 hours to Casablanca, sit there for about 4 hours, then fly to my last destination, arriving there at 11:45 PM, then I drive for 3 hours with my guide until 3 am local time, that is ~35 hours of travel, to get there, then deal for several days, then repeat the process, none of it comfortable. the last minute ticket costs me about $5000.00, that is money I risk without and guarantee of gain, so I put alot of work and money and a fair amount risk into this. The price I am offering is 60% higher than I had hoped, it is still 500% LOWER than Deans price, 500% LOWER, what is to complain about? I worked very very hard to get this to the market at the lowest possible price, and succeeded to drop the price by 500%, if that is not a good thing, then I do not know what is. I spent $64,000 to do this, I am not willing to lose that much money, so to sell at my cost means that I flew halfway around the world for nothing, no profit. So please, think about that, and let me know if $3.20 gram is a fair price. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour Dear Mike, While I do not agree that a 60% increase is around the same price, neither do I want to see ANYONE take any major financial losses in this or any other situation. I am dissapointed you SIMPLY do not state you will stop calling names and using obscenities on the list. HOWEVER, I do grant you the following: 1) I believe you when you say this material COST you 3.20/g 2) It is big of you (and I mean that, sincerely) to pass it on at no profit to those who ordered at the time you offered it at about $2/g. 3) I also acknowledge that after the initial 24hrs of taking orders at $~2/g you told everyone on the list that further orders would be based on a reasonable proffit, so, I do not feel ANYONE has a basis to gripe about whatever resonable price for which you offer the material beyond the original orders taken - certainly, that would be a good deal MORE than $3.20/g, especially since you traveled half way round the world and back to get it. -- THAT BEING SAID, Mike, you really do owe it to the list not to 1) use obscenities 2) call people names engage in attacks meant only to hurt others I am not sure why you couldn't bring yourself to simply commit to doing this, but I do hope you find it within yourself. You have a great resavour of energy that you often use to the benifit of yourself and everyone in both the private and in the scientific arenas of meteoritics. It is a shame to use that energy to engage in negative campagning - especeially in a public forum. Sincere best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour
Michael Farmer wrote: Michael, read the email below, it is the one where I made the offer, tell me what it says, please. It is intire, no editing, or you can go into the archives, your choice, it clearly states the price ar around $2 gram Not exactly $2. First of all I'd like to state that my hat is off to Micheal Blood for his courage to set things straight!!! Mike Farmer also wrote: Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. I am one of those who were ripped off - only problem is I don't feel like having been ripped off. I did tell Dean in a private mail that the way he and Mike were slinging mud at each other (not to mention the ... hair affair on the nighttable) was far below the belt and absolutely unworthy of two people sharing a passion for meteorites) but I chose to buy and it was MY decision* to do so (and I do not regret having done so!). Both Rob and the Hupés offered this absolutely fresh, pristine and fascinating material for about $15/g but the hail went down on Dean because two things were mixed up by Mike a n d Dean: (a) the mud-slinging, and (b) the justifiable attempt to buy, sell, and make a profit * Just look at the famous Collection in a slice (NWA 904) - Had I waited a little longer, I would have got my slice for much less money BUT I did not want to wait! Should I accuse the Hupés of ripping me off? Absolute nonsense! If I wanted to sell meteorites, I'd try to be polite (not servile!!!) in order to not disgust my customers. Quarrels are OK, disputes are OK, controversies are OK, complaints are OK ... but ... hair on a nighttable, bullshit, ... has you by the ..., yuck (to quote soemone else) and the like is not! My two Eurocents, Happy Easter, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock!
exactly 7 min. fast?? hmmm - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock! Greetings Listees. Hope this link works for a cool Atomic Clock![url]http://yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html[/url]Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock!
I believe this link uses your computers timer to work, when I ran it ,This so called Atomic clock was at exactly the same time as my computer to the second, And I know my computer is not set to an atomic clock. Steven Drummond "The Unknown Collector" :-) - Original Message - From: wrecks463 To: Dave Schultz ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock! exactly 7 min. fast?? hmmm - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock! Greetings Listees. Hope this link works for a cool Atomic Clock![url]http://yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html[/url]Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour
Mike: The price is MORE than fair. Thanks for making the trip and bringing more of this one to the market!! I don't see why anyone would complain at 3.20/g for an LL6 fall, especially this fresh. Looking forward to my 600g, Matt Morgan - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour Michael, you are correct, I will do my best to stop cursing, and the name calling is certainly below me, please remind me should I fail to remember that in the heat that this list often generates. I appreciate that you understand the dangers and difficulties in making the journey, let me tell you how it goes. I leave my house at 6 am, fly to Dallas and sit there for 5 hours, then fly for 11 hours to Paris, then I have to spend 10 hours in Paris, (remember, this is after traveling almost 18 hours and being dirty, tired etc). I go say hello to Alain Carion, then sit at Orly airport for about 4 hours, fly for 4 hours to Casablanca, sit there for about 4 hours, then fly to my last destination, arriving there at 11:45 PM, then I drive for 3 hours with my guide until 3 am local time, that is ~35 hours of travel, to get there, then deal for several days, then repeat the process, none of it comfortable. the last minute ticket costs me about $5000.00, that is money I risk without and guarantee of gain, so I put alot of work and money and a fair amount risk into this. The price I am offering is 60% higher than I had hoped, it is still 500% LOWER than Deans price, 500% LOWER, what is to complain about? I worked very very hard to get this to the market at the lowest possible price, and succeeded to drop the price by 500%, if that is not a good thing, then I do not know what is. I spent $64,000 to do this, I am not willing to lose that much money, so to sell at my cost means that I flew halfway around the world for nothing, no profit. So please, think about that, and let me know if $3.20 gram is a fair price. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour Dear Mike, While I do not agree that a 60% increase is around the same price, neither do I want to see ANYONE take any major financial losses in this or any other situation. I am dissapointed you SIMPLY do not state you will stop calling names and using obscenities on the list. HOWEVER, I do grant you the following: 1) I believe you when you say this material COST you 3.20/g 2) It is big of you (and I mean that, sincerely) to pass it on at no profit to those who ordered at the time you offered it at about $2/g. 3) I also acknowledge that after the initial 24hrs of taking orders at $~2/g you told everyone on the list that further orders would be based on a reasonable proffit, so, I do not feel ANYONE has a basis to gripe about whatever resonable price for which you offer the material beyond the original orders taken - certainly, that would be a good deal MORE than $3.20/g, especially since you traveled half way round the world and back to get it. -- THAT BEING SAID, Mike, you really do owe it to the list not to 1) use obscenities 2) call people names engage in attacks meant only to hurt others I am not sure why you couldn't bring yourself to simply commit to doing this, but I do hope you find it within yourself. You have a great resavour of energy that you often use to the benifit of yourself and everyone in both the private and in the scientific arenas of meteoritics. It is a shame to use that energy to engage in negative campagning - especeially in a public forum. Sincere best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congraluations Mr. Farmer
Congraurtaltions Mike on your recovery. PS You too Dean __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock!
For those of you who wish to set your PC to atomic clock time, it doesn't get any easier than this free (shareware for Windows) download. I use it all the time and find it quite handy. It does all the work for you with just the click of a button. I've noticed there are many list members that could use this little piece of software. ;-) http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10106-100-1615199.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-4.1615199 http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10106-100-1615199.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-4.1615199 Hope you all enjoy, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour
Personally, I couldn't care less about the market. I can understand some bargaining between a seller and a buyer but that's about it. Plain and simple, if you think someone is charging too much for any meteorite (Bensour or not) don't buy it and quit whining. I've bought meteorites that pretty much lost their commercial value over night that I can't trade for a weathered unclassified NWA as well as bought meteorites at a fraction of what they're worth and what I've sold/traded them for. I'm just as happy with each and every purchase I've made though because it just means that I got an incredible new space rock. If you don't like the price that another person is charging because you think its too high don't buy from them. If you're really good you'll do what you have to to get a bunch of it and sell it for what you think is a good price. I've bought from Mike, Dean, Rob, and the Hupes in the past with good results and will continue to buy from in the future when I think you have a meteorite worth however much you're asking and I have that much. Instead of arguing about the market and what not let's argue about chondrule formation or something like that. Best wishes to ALL, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock!
My computer clock is set to this website..or should I say this site sets itself to my computer clock. I personally prefer to set my clocks to what my GPS says,It automatically sets itself to the A-clock. I might add that the Weather channel's clock is set to the A-clock, It hits wth my gps to the tick. Also... anybody intrested in a cool magnet should check out sears item # 946947 (www.sears.com) It will pick up a 644 gram Nantan right now. Also it is guaranteed for life. You have nothing to fear from beer but the beer itself What? Rex - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic Atomic Clock! Greetings Listees. Hope this link works for a cool Atomic Clock![url]http://yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html[/url]Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour
Franks et al, yes, I am keeping the 9 kilo piece, I am paying the same price for it, and I in no way begrudge it, I am selling the rest off to recover the money spent, That means that my 9 kilo piece cost me $29,440.00. I am proud to have it and think that it was well worth the price since I knew the price when I shook the man's hand whom I bought it from. I am still sending money to pay them off. I will simply get my money back from the other few kilos, with the time I am spending on it, is a waste, other than the thrill of going to get a fall at the site, not like other dealers who take no risks, and who get it in the mail, who also spread rumors about the fall without checking it out at the source. No rain fell on them, they hit and killed nothing, just more rumors spread by people who have never set foot at the place of the fall. Bensour will be a fond memory for me very soon, I am almost out, so it seems that someone thought it was a good price. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peace Bensour I worked very very hard to get this to the market at the lowest possible price, and succeeded to drop the price by 500%, if that is not a good thing, then I do not know what is. I spent $64,000 to do this, I am not willing to lose that much money, so to sell at my cost means that I flew halfway around the world for nothing, no profit. So please, think about that, and let me know if $3.20 gram is a fair price. I certainly agree with Mike in that the $3.20/gram he is asking those who ordered early is fair. In my opinion, way more than fair! I know Mike is keeping the main mass (~9 kilos) so he is recouping his cost with the other ~9 kilos of the ~18 kilos he brought back. He paid $3.20/gram for his collection piece the same as his customers who comitted early at the low price. To even approach breaking even and to help pay for his collection piece, he needs to double what he charged. Mike, I certainly hope you've made a lot of $$$ on your other meteorite sales, because you certainly have a nice write-off with Bensour. I hope everyone who got a piece of Bensour for $3.20/gram realizes what a great deal they got. I do and I certainly appreciate it. Can't hardly wait to see my piece :-) Thank you again, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour
Bernd and List: Bernd forgot to say his usual, Nomen ist Omen. Bensour or Ben Sour fits! Dirk RossHappy Easter Bernd Pauli wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Michael, read the email below, it is the one where I made the offer, tell me what it says, please. It is intire, no editing, or you can go into the archives, your choice, it clearly states the price ar around $2 gram Not exactly $2. First of all I'd like to state that my hat is off to Micheal Blood for his courage to set things straight!!! Mike Farmer also wrote: Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. I am one of those who were ripped off - only problem is I don't feel like having been ripped off. I did tell Dean in a private mail that the way he and Mike were slinging mud at each other (not to mention the ... hair affair on the nighttable) was far below the belt and absolutely unworthy of two people sharing a passion for meteorites) but I chose to buy and it was MY decision* to do so (and I do not regret having done so!). Both Rob and the Hupés offered this absolutely fresh, pristine and fascinating material for about $15/g but the hail went down on Dean because two things were mixed up by Mike a n d Dean: (a) the mud-slinging, and (b) the justifiable attempt to buy, sell, and make a profit * Just look at the famous Collection in a slice (NWA 904) - Had I waited a little longer, I would have got my slice for much less money BUT I did not want to wait! Should I accuse the Hupés of ripping me off? Absolute nonsense! If I wanted to sell meteorites, I'd try to be polite (not servile!!!) in order to not disgust my customers. Quarrels are OK, disputes are OK, controversies are OK, complaints are OK ... but ... hair on a nighttable, bullshit, ... has you by the ..., yuck (to quote soemone else) and the like is not! My two Eurocents, Happy Easter, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour
Mike, I only wanted what we discussed...something in the 20gram range for $2.00 a gram. I guess my biggest problem was that I had budgeted for the expense and then found it twice what I had planned on. I also realize that I may have been unfair. I realize that you have alot tied up on this venture. Your price is fair...it is however beyond what I am able to spend. My wife and I are still in our intial year of business and I need to be prudent with my expenditures. I went from a $60.00 an hour job last year to selling on Ebay as the job market has gone to hell in Phoenix. My brain sometimes still thinks I am making 100+ grand a year. When I read your email of the price change it jarred it back to the present and I realized I shouldn't make that expenditure. Then I acted like a spoiled rich kid.We are doing well enough but not what we used to have. Thank for the offer. When you are done with the other orders if you have something I can buy that is decent and in the $30.00 to $40.00 range let me know. I apologize to you for my behavior. Bright Blessings and Happy Ostara Mark M. PS. I copied the list...First because of my uncalled for attitude and secondly because everyone should know you were willing to do something for me that you need not do. Mark. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour Yes, i already said that i forgot the tilde ~ on that one, Mark, tell me what you want, and it shall be done for you. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour Your Closing offer doesn't say $2.00 a gramsee below: Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Bensour Michael, read the email below, it is the one where I made the offer, tell me what it says, please. It is intire, no editing, or you can go into the archives, your choice, it clearly states the price ar around $2 gram Not exactly $2. That implies that the price was not exactly set yet. I would also like to remind you that you have many times in the past acted up on the list, when your name was in question like mine was, do you find that you can do it but I have no right to? If so then that is an interesting point of view. While I clearly admit that both of our actions were well below par, it is still the same as all the other dribble out there when people go at it, either the price wars or the Dean Nakhla dog. As a member of the list, I accept what comes on it, or else I can simply unsubscribe. I want you to read that email, and tell me what you think it says, then we will make a deal. Mike Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more lies and self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Bensour Michael Farmer wrote: ...the
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Idea
I agree , I think it is a good idea, t-shirts or polo shirts with aPocket ! Put me down for at least 2 . I can always use another nice shirtor 2 . Steven Drummond TUC :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Idea In a message dated 3/30/2002 6:43:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think its a good idea. I've been meaning to do something with that since the formation of the IMCA but just never got around to it. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any but be forewarned that any ideas may or may not be used in the final decision.Excellent idea. We could have a bunch of t-shirts or polo-shirts made using someting like 4 stars instead for the 4 digit-number. And they could be made available to members only. We could even make it a fund-raiser. I am sure most members would willingly pay a couple $ above cost for the shirts and that extra could go in the Association account. Personally, I like the idea of having a gold shirt with a copy of the small logo. I also like the idea of having a plain white t-shirt with a similiar logo on the front as well as a copy of the large version on the back. I know there are places on the net that can do custom shirts too. Sorry Rhett, gold does not look good on everybody, unless you are talking about the metal :-) I would vote for white or deep blue (like a night sky). And I would much prefer one smallish logo on the front-left, and nothing on the back. Any other opinions? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
