[meteorite-list] New Ultra Rare Martian Subgroup
Dear List Members, Congratulations to anybody who has any NWA 1195 or NWA 2046 in their collections. Additional study has proven these two Martian meteorites to be even more impressive than originally stated. The very strange elongated shape of NWA 1195 should have given the first clue that there was more to this stone than what was first observed. The reason NWA 1195 survived reentry through the atmosphere with such an aerodynamically unstable elongated shape is that the crystals are preferentially aligned. Think of it as the grains of wood in a baseball bat. If a baseball bat were cut against the grain it would break every time a ball was hit. Since baseball bats are cut with the grain they are much stronger. Since most meteorites do not have grain the natural thing to do is it cut them perpendicular to the longest dimension as was done with NWA 1195. While the study of the new and equally impressive Martian meteorite NWA 2046 was being conducted orthopyroxe was discovered in aligned phenocrysts. Since the two stones are somewhat similar but definitely not paired more study was conducted on NWA 1195 and these same oriented grains were found. They were probably missed during initial study because they were cut perpendicular to their length providing a tiny surface area to observe. If NWA 1195 were sliced 90 degrees to the original cut these elongated crystals would have been discovered immediately as in NWA 2046. What all this means is that a new subgroup now exists called Olivine-Orthopyroxene-Phyric Shergottite. These two meteorites represent the most primitive Martian lava yet discovered. With only two unpaired members and a combined weight of only 378 grams this is the rarest Martian subgroup in existence. Before we forget, we would like to congratulate the other team who brought back NWA2046, the 30th Martian meteorite discovered. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 2004 03:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the view source page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Communication Problems with Spirit
Ground controllers were able to send commands to the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit early Wednesday and received a simple signal acknowledging that the rover heard them, but they did not receive expected scientific and engineering data during scheduled communication passes during the rest of that martian day. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20040121a.html The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Martian Meteorite Hints indicates Past Water
New Mars rock hints at past water By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor Wednesday, 21 January, 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3414143.stm A rock found in the Atlas Mountains of southern Morocco in 2001 has been confirmed as Martian in origin. ...Rest of article deleted... Carine Bidaut and Bruno Fectay hold rocks from Mars http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39761000/jpg/_39761507_fectay_203.jpg From a magma chamber below Mars http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39765000/jpg/_39765071_nwa1950_fectay_203.jpg ...Rest of article deleted... Yours, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impact origin for the greater Ontong Java Plateau?
There is a new paper in Earth and Planetary Science Letters that argues that the Ontong Java Plateau in the Pacific Ocean was created by a meteorite impact. The paper is: Stephanie Ingle and Millard F. Coffin, 2004, Impact origin for the greater Ontong Java Plateau? Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 218, no. 1-2, pp. 123-134 (30 January 2004) In part, the abstract stated: Geophysical, geochemical, and geodynamic evidence from the province are difficult to reconcile with mantle plume models; absence of an obvious hotspot source or track, minor crustal uplift associated with emplacement, minor total subsidence compared with normal oceanic crust or other oceanic plateaus and submarine ridges, high degrees of melting at shallow, upper mantle depths, low water contents of basalts, enrichment of platinum group elements in basalts, and a ~300 km deep, seismically slow mantle root are more consistent with the consequences of an impacting bolide. Yorus, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Hello Ken and list, Ken wrote; Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) Yes, they do seem a bit small, but from what I understand they started out huge but never lost their cosmic velocity and by the time ablation was through with them, all that was left was these two meteorites at a few grams a piece. Even at just a few grams, with their hypersonic velocities still intact these two little meteorites caused the craters. Hard to believe! All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, these ARE THE TWO responsible! ; ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 2004 03:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the view source page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impact origin for the greater Ontong Java Plateau?
There is a new paper in Earth and Planetary Science Letters that argues that the Ontong Java Plateau in the Pacific Ocean was created by a meteorite impact. The paper is: Stephanie Ingle and Millard F. Coffin, 2004, Impact origin for the greater Ontong Java Plateau? Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 218, no. 1-2, pp. 123-134 (30 January 2004) In part, the abstract stated: Geophysical, geochemical, and geodynamic evidence from the province are difficult to reconcile with mantle plume models; absence of an obvious hotspot source or track, minor crustal uplift associated with emplacement, minor total subsidence compared with normal oceanic crust or other oceanic plateaus and submarine ridges, high degrees of melting at shallow, upper mantle depths, low water contents of basalts, enrichment of platinum group elements in basalts, and a ~300 km deep, seismically slow mantle root are more consistent with the consequences of an impacting bolide. Yorus, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] completing a purchase
Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
Mike, Thats part of the problem. This wasn't a dealer. I believe it was a private individual. Thanks, Bill I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
Well who is it? perhaps other list members have delt with them, that is what I meant. If it is a private person, there is substantial risk involved. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Mike, Thats part of the problem. This wasn't a dealer. I believe it was a private individual. Thanks, Bill I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
I have never done this, but I've heard you can set up an international escrow account. You can check with your bank. Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Thats part of the problem. This wasn't a dealer. I believe it was a private individual. Thanks, Bill I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Completing a purchase/escrow acccount
Dear Matt, Mike, List; I have visited with my banker in the past concerning an escrow to sell a bunch of jade over seas and at Tucson. Escrow Accounts are quite easy to set up, bank holds the money until the item is either inspected and purchased, or the item is returned and the seller receives his specimen back. Seemingly a really good way to go if spending a bunch of money...or buy from some one that Mike or the other dealers deal with in the meteorite world that is recommended. Best, Dave F./ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19story_id=3903 Great balls of fire, its a meteorite! expatica.com (Holland) 22 January 2004 AMSTERDAM - A large number of star gazers claim to have seen a large fireball shoot through cloud cover on Wednesday night in what experts believe was a meteorite falling to earth. The Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) said the fireball probably took place somewhere above the Belgian-German border in Wallonia. It was seen in Limburg, eastern Belgium and Germany, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The Leiden-based DMS also said the fireball was most probably due to a meteorite and ruled out the possibility that it was a broken fragment of a satellite or a rocket. A society spokesman based the claim on information supplied by US aerospace agency Nasa. But a lack of hard and fast facts regarding the fireball means it is difficult to determine if fragments fell to earth. It is assumed that the meteorite burned up in the earth's atmosphere before hitting the ground. Dozens of sightings were lodged with star watch association Exploirion, based in the southern Dutch city of Heerlen, Besides sightings in Limburg, Belgium, Germany and even residents of the northern Dutch city of Groningen said they saw the spectacle. Meteorites usually burn up in the earth's atmosphere and Wednesday night's fireball was created about 60 to 100km above the earth's surface. German news agency DPA said the rock probably did not hit the earth's surface. A researcher with the European Space Agency (ESA) in Darmstadt, Germany, said the meteorite would have been about 10cm to 50cm in size. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1.5 Billion-Year-Old Crater Found In Finland
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_543619,00050003.htm 1.5 billion-year-old meteorite crater found in Finland Agence France-Presse Helsinki, Finland January 22, 2004 A crater from a meteorite that collided with earth some 1.5 billion years ago has been discovered in Finland by two amateur geologists, Finnish scientists said on Thursday. The discovery is nine kilometres in diameter, but the original crater must have been much larger, because only the floor is left, since the rest of the crater bowl has eroded away, said Lauri Pesonen, a professor of geophysics at Helsinki University who verified the find. According to calculations, the crater must have been between 20 and 25 kilometres wide following the impact, he added. Two local amateur scientists, Satu Hietala and Jarmo Moilanen, came across the crater last fall when they found shatter cones in stones in the area. Shatter cones, which are typical feature found in stones in meteorite craters, are formed in the rock when the energy from the impact passes through it. Since the surrounding rock formation is about 1.8 billion years old, Pesonen said the meteorite was likely to have collided with the earth later than that, probably around 1.5 billion years ago. The crater, partly covered by a lake, is located some 175 kilometres north of Helsinki. So far, 11 meteorite impacts have been found in Finland, and some 180 worldwide, Pesonen said. -- http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20040122IE6 Large crater caused by meteorite found in Finland Helsingin Sanomat (Finland) January 22, 2004 A large crater caused by a meteorite has been found north of the community of Mänttä. The discovery of the crater - about ten kilometres in diameter - was reported on Wednesday in the latest issue of the Finnish astronomy journal Tähdet ja avaruus (Stars and Space), which is published by the astronomical society Ursa. The magazine has a reputation for meticulous accuracy. The crater is located just north of Mänttää in the Keurusselkä area, and it could be as much as a billion years old. It is the first landmark of its kind in Finland to be found by amateurs. The collision fragments found in the area have been confirmed as remnants of a meteorite. Experts confirming the discovery have included a geologist and geophysicist from the University of Helsinki. Teemu Öhman of the University of Oulu says that the find is the eleventh crater caused by a meteorite to be discovered in Finland, and it could be the largest. The crater was originally much larger than it is now, with fairly high edges. These have been worn down by intervening ice ages. Now only the bottom of the crater is left, in addition to cone-shaped pieces of rock from the impact. The cone-shaped rocks can be found in the Keurusselkä area, with the narrow end pointing toward the centre of the impact. On a global scale the newly-discovered Keurusselkä crater is not among the largest. For instance, a meteorite which hit the Yucatan peninsula, and which is believed to have caused the mass extinction of the dinosaurs about 65 million years ago, left behind a crater with a diameter of about 180 kilometres. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium
There are already track and brightness data? Or how could the ESA-man predict, that the meteorite will have a size of 10 - 50cm? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19story_id=3903 Great balls of fire, its a meteorite! expatica.com (Holland) 22 January 2004 AMSTERDAM - A large number of star gazers claim to have seen a large fireball shoot through cloud cover on Wednesday night in what experts believe was a meteorite falling to earth. The Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) said the fireball probably took place somewhere above the Belgian-German border in Wallonia. It was seen in Limburg, eastern Belgium and Germany, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The Leiden-based DMS also said the fireball was most probably due to a meteorite and ruled out the possibility that it was a broken fragment of a satellite or a rocket. A society spokesman based the claim on information supplied by US aerospace agency Nasa. But a lack of hard and fast facts regarding the fireball means it is difficult to determine if fragments fell to earth. It is assumed that the meteorite burned up in the earth's atmosphere before hitting the ground. Dozens of sightings were lodged with star watch association Exploirion, based in the southern Dutch city of Heerlen, Besides sightings in Limburg, Belgium, Germany and even residents of the northern Dutch city of Groningen said they saw the spectacle. Meteorites usually burn up in the earth's atmosphere and Wednesday night's fireball was created about 60 to 100km above the earth's surface. German news agency DPA said the rock probably did not hit the earth's surface. A researcher with the European Space Agency (ESA) in Darmstadt, Germany, said the meteorite would have been about 10cm to 50cm in size. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
If it is a private individual who contacted you with a deal thats to good to be true I would be wary. If it is one of the 3 dealers farmer mentioned earlier you can feel safe as I have spent thousands of dollars with them (I even stay at Rodrigos house when in Chile - really nice guy). I have herd a dozen or more stories from people who sent money to Morocco to buy some NWAs really cheap (Always under 10 cents a gram) and whom they never herd from again after sending the money and nobody in Morocco ever herd of them either (A couple of the people who got scammed were customers of mine and I tried to help them out by doing a little research so I am familiar with those scams). Maybe you can check phone listings or something to see if they real people - although that is not as easy to do as it is in North America and could well not be possible. Try getting their phone number and calling them. You should be able to make a 10 minute phone call to anywhere in south america using a phone card for $5 or less. Might be worth it. There are some people in Africa scamming offering Gao meteorites also. I am not familiar with any major scams involving meteorites in South America so I cant give you any specific warnings of what to look for in this regard. If they are the ones who contacted you first the you can try to get them to send you the rocks before receiving payment. After all, they know who you are and should have more trust of you. Just an idea Hope this helps. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well who is it? perhaps other list members have delt with them, that is what I meant. If it is a private person, there is substantial risk involved. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Mike, Thats part of the problem. This wasn't a dealer. I believe it was a private individual. Thanks, Bill I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium
Because he is a scientist *g*. They are always right :-). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium There are already track and brightness data? Or how could the ESA-man predict, that the meteorite will have a size of 10 - 50cm? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19story_i d=3903 Great balls of fire, its a meteorite! expatica.com (Holland) 22 January 2004 AMSTERDAM - A large number of star gazers claim to have seen a large fireball shoot through cloud cover on Wednesday night in what experts believe was a meteorite falling to earth. The Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) said the fireball probably took place somewhere above the Belgian-German border in Wallonia. It was seen in Limburg, eastern Belgium and Germany, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The Leiden-based DMS also said the fireball was most probably due to a meteorite and ruled out the possibility that it was a broken fragment of a satellite or a rocket. A society spokesman based the claim on information supplied by US aerospace agency Nasa. But a lack of hard and fast facts regarding the fireball means it is difficult to determine if fragments fell to earth. It is assumed that the meteorite burned up in the earth's atmosphere before hitting the ground. Dozens of sightings were lodged with star watch association Exploirion, based in the southern Dutch city of Heerlen, Besides sightings in Limburg, Belgium, Germany and even residents of the northern Dutch city of Groningen said they saw the spectacle. Meteorites usually burn up in the earth's atmosphere and Wednesday night's fireball was created about 60 to 100km above the earth's surface. German news agency DPA said the rock probably did not hit the earth's surface. A researcher with the European Space Agency (ESA) in Darmstadt, Germany, said the meteorite would have been about 10cm to 50cm in size. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Destination: Meridiani Planum
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/22jan_meridianiplanum.htm Destination: Meridiani Planum NASA Science News January 22, 2004 On January 24, 2004, NASA's Mars rover Opportunity is scheduled to land on a Martian plain in search of evidence for water. January 22, 2004: On January 24, at about 9:05 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, NASA's second rover is scheduled to arrive on Mars. Opportunity will land near the equator, on a plain known as Meridiani Planum. It'll be halfway around the planet from Gusev Crater, where its twin, Spirit, is already feeding eager scientists as much data as it can transmit. Meridiani Planum interests scientists because it contains an ancient layer of hematite, an iron oxide that, on Earth, almost always forms in an environment containing liquid water. The site appears dry now. So how did the hematite get there? Was there once water in the area? If so, where did it go? There are five or six hypotheses to explain the hematite on Mars, but none of them are a slam-dunk, says NASA's Mars Landing Site Science Coordinator John Grant. We have to go there to find out which is correct. It's possible, for example, that the hematite was produced directly from iron-rich lavas, a process that would not require liquid water. But if water was involved--and that's considered most probable--then, most likely, the hematite either formed from the iron-rich waters of an ancient lake, or it formed when Martian groundwater percolated though layers of volcanic ash. Opportunity's suite of spectrometers, cameras, microscopes, and sampling tools should allow scientists to figure out where the hematite came from. For instance, if a mineral called goethite is found among the hematite, that would mean that the hematite formed in watery conditions. On the other hand, if magnetite is found and goethite is not, a watery past is unlikely. Just being able to look at the way the hematite is distributed will provide some answers. If the hematite occurs as a thin layer within a pile of layers, then it's likely to have formed in a long-ago lake, says Grant. If, on the other hand, it occurs in more discrete veins, deposited between cracks in rocks, then it's much more likely to have been associated with groundwater. If you look in the Earth, he says, in places where the groundwater percolates through the subsurface, you see evidence for life all over the place. This mission, Grant emphasizes, is not seeking evidence of Martian life. It's looking for environments that were favorable for life, and in which evidence of life may have been preserved. Knowing how the hematite formed will help determine if Meridiani Planum is that kind of environment. Meridiani Planum is unique on Mars because there's so much exposed hematite there, according to data gathered by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft. Localized deposits also exist in two other sites: the deep canyon Valles Marinaris and a place called called Aram Chaos, notes Grant, but neither are accessible based on the current landing system. Meridiani Planum has more hematite and it's a safer place to land. Meridiani Planum is also attractive because the site appears to be eroding, with once-buried craters that are now half-revealed. Opportunity might be able to inspect layers of ground that would otherwise be hidden, affording a glimpse into the area's distant past. There's so much we don't know about Mars, says Grant. But I really think we're going to come out of this mission with a better understanding of what Mars has been like over time, and where we might go for our next step. Visit http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov for the latest information about Spirit and Opportunity. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] UK Fall statistics..
Hi, Someone said to me a while ago, that the UK (i.e Great Britain and Ireland) is 'overdue' for a meteorite fall. Whilst I realize it is in theory a reasonably random event, for a bit of fun I decided to have a look at the figures, Here is what I found: There have been 19 confirmed falls in the UK since 1623. I worked out the number of years between each fall and plotted them onto a graph, To my surprise it appears to follow a sinusoidal pattern ? ... See : http://www.freewebs.com/fordmeteorites/UKFALLS.jpg The average time between falls is 11.8 Years. (It must be coincidence but 11.8 years is one of the solar cycles! And I think something to do with Jupiter perihelion?) So it indeed appears we (UK) are 'over due' for a fall, statistically anyway, especially since it was 22 years between the last two and 17 years since the last one and they should average 11.8 years. my God ,I must be bored :) Mark Ford The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Race- NY Times
A lttle off topic, but here's a good article on the potential coming spacerace with China. Let hope instead for healthy competition, if not cooperation in space exploration in this century. Howard Wu http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/22/international/asia/22SPAC.html?pagewanted=1th Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] UK Fall statistics..
mark ford wrote: So it indeed appears we (UK) are 'over due' for a fall, statistically anyway, especially since it was 22 years between the last two and 17 years since the last one and they should average 11.8 years. Hi Mark, Wasn't Leighlinbridge a fall? November 1999. Best, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Belgium-Germany Bolide 21 january
Many many people in Belgium have observed this great blue-greenbolide. Look this site: http://www.mira.be/tmp/bolide-fr.html VincentOffres dernière minute ! Cliquez-ici __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover
http://space.com/missionlaunches/spirit_silent_040122.html 'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover By Leonard David space.com 22 January 2004 PASADENA, Calif. -- Mars Rover officials at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory announced that a serious anomaly occured onboard the robot Spirit Wednesday. Peter Theisinger, Mars Exploration Rover project manager, began Thursday's press conference by telling reporters that they had not received contact from Spirit, either through relays from the Mars Global Surveyor or the Mars Odyssey spacecraft now orbiting the red planet. German-built Alpha-Particle-X-Ray Spectrometer (APXS) is being used to determine the elemental chemistry of rocks and soils on Mars. The APXS performs elemental analyses of martian surface materials by directly touching a rock or patch of soil. Analyzing the elemental make-up of martian surface materials will provide scientists with information about crustal formation, weathering processes, and water activity on the red planet. However, Jennifer Trosper, mission manager of Surface Operations, interrupted the press briefing to announch that a signal had been recieved from the rover via its direct link to Earth. That said, no direct data had yet to be received from the robotic geologist. Theisinger explained that the situation remains serious and that no one single fault ... that we can conceive of can explain this anamoly. A communique' released late afternoon Wednesday from JPL indicated an unresolved issue with the status of the Spirit Mars rover. According to the statement, ground controllers were able to send commands to the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit early Wednesday and received a simple signal acknowledging that the rover heard them. However, ground controllers here did not receive expected scientific and engineering data from Spirit during scheduled communication passes during the rest of that martian day. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Viva Espana - have a look!
Hi All, I'm forwarding this link from the German meteorite list. Obviously, the first real meteorite individuals from the recent Spanish fall (January 4) have been recovered - looks like the real McCoy: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/01/20/ciencia/1074627508.html Here's a Google translation of the original Spanish text: The author of the finding, according to Garci'a Guinea, has been journalist Abel Tarilonte, who the 4 of January was of vacations in the north of the province of Palencia. There he was present at and he photographed the passage of the meteor and after crossing several towns of Montes of Palencia pasts 9 and 10 of January in search of samples, he located two fragments, of 42.03 grams and 21.76 grams, on a rural way of recent compaction where they emphasized by his dark crust of iron oxidation. Thanks to Herbert Raab, Austria, for forwarding the link to the German list. All the best, and happy hunting, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re: Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium
There are already track and brightness data? Hello Martin, There's a preliminary trajectory from visual sightings in Belgium and the Netherlands. Phillipe Mollet of the Belgian VVS has been working on that. Fireball started over Belgium and ended over Germany. Or how could the ESA-man predict, that the meteorite will have a size of 10 - 50cm? Martin A. Just guesswork I think. There's little definit data to go by at the moment. By the way, in commenting on these kind of news agency reports, be aware that press agencies not always correctly quote people, and sometimes condens two separate bits of correct info into one wrong statement and things frequently get mixed up or confused (e.g. meteor/meteorite). For example, the DMS spokesman quoted is me, but I spoke to them about this being definitely a meteor, not being definitely a meteorite (as we simply do not know whether something survived or not); and I warned them that not each bright fireball automatically means it dropped a meteorite. They do quote me correctly in that we can rule out a satellite decay, this being based on checking data from the NASA Orbital Information Group. - Marco -- Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DMS website: http://www.dmsweb.org priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase
Dear List; OR, you can buy your meteorites from those you trust: Dean, Mike, Jim, the other Jim, Bill, Blaine, Anne, Matt, Robert, Ken, Mark, Adam, Bob, Dave, Dave, Dave, mike, and the other mike, Michael, Paul, John, Walter, Bernd, Fred, the other Fred, Ron, (and not the other Ron whose name we do not know) . There are so many great dealers out there, why bother with someone not totally bonified? Those that you know and trust deserve your business. **DEAR LIST NEWBIES** That is my tip of the week! Support our working dealers. I am sorry if I inadvertently left some out as I could list another 20 names here. If it is an unknown, and they are not an IMCA member, that might be a thought to ponder, that is what we set it up for. If the deal can be transferred on ebay, and you can use the sellers feed back as a tool that may be wise as well. Buying blindly to save a buck is silly, and a bit greedy. Just remember the circus at Park Forest about a year ago! My favorite old axiom, junk in junk out could apply here. Those that try to get something for nothing sometimes get more wisdom instead of the value of the product. Again, with so many very reputable dealers gathered here, at the shows, on ebay, on the IMCA web page, why play around with your money to relative unknowns? Most dealers can get most meteorites from most anywhere, and be for the most part, very competitive at pricing. Very Best and thanks to our great dealers who work hard to supply us with good deals and a wide selection! Dave Freeman dean bessey wrote: If it is a private individual who contacted you with a deal that's to good to be true I would be wary. If it is one of the 3 dealers farmer mentioned earlier you can feel safe as I have spent thousands of dollars with them (I even stay at Rodrigos house when in Chile - really nice guy). I have herd a dozen or more stories from people who sent money to Morocco to buy some NWAs really cheap (Always under 10 cents a gram) and whom they never herd from again after sending the money and nobody in Morocco ever herd of them either (A couple of the people who got scammed were customers of mine and I tried to help them out by doing a little research so I am familiar with those scams). Maybe you can check phone listings or something to see if they real people - although that is not as easy to do as it is in North America and could well not be possible. Try getting their phone number and calling them. You should be able to make a 10 minute phone call to anywhere in south america using a phone card for $5 or less. Might be worth it. There are some people in Africa scamming offering Gao meteorites also. I am not familiar with any major scams involving meteorites in South America so I cant give you any specific warnings of what to look for in this regard. If they are the ones who contacted you first the you can try to get them to send you the rocks before receiving payment. After all, they know who you are and should have more trust of you. Just an idea Hope this helps. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well who is it? perhaps other list members have delt with them, that is what I meant. If it is a private person, there is substantial risk involved. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Mike, Thats part of the problem. This wasn't a dealer. I believe it was a private individual. Thanks, Bill I buy from all over the world, it is a risk, but the first advice would be to ask the list if they know the dealer you are wanting to buy from. I buy from Hans Koser, Rodrigo Martinez, and Eduardo often, never a problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] completing a purchase Hi all, Recently I had the opportunity to purchase a meteorite from South America. I wasn't sure how to go about exchanging the money for the specimen with any kind of assurance that I wouldn't get ripped off. Since I balked, I missed out on the chance. What's the recommended procedure used to negotiate a long distance transaction? Thanks! Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
!RE: [meteorite-list] UK Fall statistics..
Dave, Leighlinbridge is in southern Ireland not classed as in the UK.. Of course none of these statistics take into account recoverability over the years and the fact that we are an irregular shaped island surrounded by sea, the country is higher than it is wide. Also there are more potential witnesses now than in the 17th Century, and of course many more never get seen! But about 12 years is a good working assumption But I would be interested to know how many other countries have a theoretical fall rate of 11.8 years? What I should do is work out the average per square area.. But Like I said I was bored! Cheers! Mark -Original Message- From: DNAndrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 January 2004 17:46 To: mark ford Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] UK Fall statistics.. mark ford wrote: So it indeed appears we (UK) are 'over due' for a fall, statistically anyway, especially since it was 22 years between the last two and 17 years since the last one and they should average 11.8 years. Hi Mark, Wasn't Leighlinbridge a fall? November 1999. Best, Dave The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Italian Job ;-)
Is it true? Has Matteo gone the way of everyone's favorite listee, [*shudder*] Joel Warren? Gregory . ---BeginMessage--- I know that you are reading...you are a craven that it has fear to answer to my last email, comfortable to throw me outside the list and not to answer to my email. You are only a creaven of first category, if you are a man answer to the email of explanations. Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. /FONTA HREF=http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511;BClick Here!/B/AFONT COLOR=#99 /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/RGYolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] AD - Bensour Auctions ending tonight
Hello All, 20 auctions of Bensour fragments with crust between 1.21 and 6.99 g are ending tonight. All are pristine stones which have been collected soon after the fall. Keep an eye on it, it's a good opportunity to acquire some very fresh Bensour at low prices ! Average shipping delay for the US is 5 days ! http://members.ebay.fr/aboutme/stellardust/ Thank you and good luck ! http://www.stores.ebay.fr/meteoritica I have updated my website, please have a look on it. http://www.meteoritica.com Best Wishes to All Philippe Thomas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Italian Job ;-)
Gregory, Maybe a late Christmas present from Art? David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spirit Opportunity Update - January 22, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html SPIRIT UPDATE: - Jan 22, 2004, 10:35 am PST The Mars Exploration Rover Spirit radioed a beep Thursday morning confirming that it had received a transmission from Earth. Still, it has not returned any data since early Wednesday. Flight-team engineers for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Project are working to diagnose the cause of communications difficulties. OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Plans for Opportunity's entry, descent, and landing are also underway. The spacecraft is on a correct course for its landing Saturday night, around 9:05 pm PST (Sunday, 5:05 am UTC). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Italian Job ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe a late Christmas present from Art? Matteo's response (calling Art nasty names on a different list) demonstrates his "judgment" and people-skills.not that anyone needed a further demonstration. A childhood tuneis nowrunning through my head"Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead". ;-) GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
[meteorite-list] The Italian Job Part II ;-)
I'm receiving numerous off-list emails, folks wanting further detailsabout my list-inquiryconcerning Matteo's apparent expulsion.I attach belowall I know about it - a post Ireceived this morning, on a different list. __ Forwarded Message: Subj: [MeteoriteCollectors] To Mr.Art Jones the rabbit Date: 1/22/2004 7:55:35 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details)I know that you are reading...you are a craven that ithas fear to answer to my last email, comfortable tothrow me outside the list and not to answer to myemail. You are only a creaven of first category, ifyou are a man answer tothe email of explanations.Matteo
[meteorite-list] Recent Meteorite Finds in Spain from Palencia Bolide
Apparently... Meteorites rain mainly on the northern plain in Spain! ;-) -- Bob V. Forward Message - [meteorite-list] Viva Espana - have a look! Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:01:43 +0100 Previous message: [meteorite-list] re: Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium Hi All, I'm forwarding this link from the German meteorite list. Obviously, the first real meteorite individuals from the recent Spanish fall (January 4) have been recovered - looks like the real McCoy: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/01/20/ciencia/1074627508.html Here's a Google translation of the original Spanish text: MADRID.- The pertinent, Natural Museum of Sciences al CSIC, has a security of the 99% that the siderolito (mixture of metal and sílice) extraterrestrial found by a journalist in the Mounts of Palencia is the first sample related to the meteor sighted the past 4 of January. The responsible one for the analysis, Javier Garcia Guinea, professor of investigation of mineralogía of the Museum, explained that, after the exam, carried out Monday in the afternoon, has the security al 99% that is a siderolito extraterrestrial of very recent fall and related to the bólido that crossed the peninsula at the beginning of this month. The author of the finding, according to Garci'a Guinea, has been journalist Abel Tarilonte, who the 4 of January was of vacations in the north of the province of Palencia. There he was present at and he photographed the passage of the meteor and after crossing several towns of Montes of Palencia pasts 9 and 10 of January in search of samples, he located two fragments, of 42.03 grams and 21.76 grams, on a rural way of recent compaction where they emphasized by his dark crust of iron oxidation. Thanks to Herbert Raab, Austria, for forwarding the link to the German Met-list. All the best, and happy hunting, Norbert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - January 22, 2004
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Guy Webster (818) 354-5011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. NEWS RELEASE: 2004-028 January 22, 2004 Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status Flight-team engineers for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Mission were encouraged this morning when Spirit sent a simple radio signal acknowledging that the rover had received a transmission from Earth. However, the team is still trying to diagnose the cause of earlier communications difficulties that have prevented any data being returned from Spirit since early Wednesday. We have a very serious situation, said Pete Theisinger of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, project manager for Spirit and its twin, Opportunity. Spirit did send a radio signal via NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter Wednesday evening, but the transmission did not carry any data. Spirit did not make radio contact with NASA's Mars Odyssey during a scheduled session two hours later or during another one Thursday morning. It also did not respond to the first two attempts Thursday to elicit an acknowledgment signal with direct communications between Earth and the rover, and it did not send a signal at a time pre-set for doing so when its computer recognizes certain communication problems. The successful attempt to get a response signal came shortly before 9 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. No single explanation considered so far fits all of the events observed, Theisinger said. When the team tried to replicate the situation in its testing facility at JPL, the testbed rover did not have any trouble communicating. Two of the possibilities under consideration are a corruption of flight software or corruption of computer memory, either of which could leave Spirit's power supply healthy and allow adequate time for recovering control of the rover. Engineers will continue efforts to understand the situation in preparation for scheduled communication relay sessions using Mars Global Surveyor at 7:10 p.m. PST and Mars Odyssey at 10:35 PST. Efforts to resume direct communications between Spirit and antennas of NASA's Deep Space Network will resume after the rover's expected wake-up at about 3 a.m. PST Friday. Meanwhile, mission leaders decided to skip an optional trajectory correction maneuver today for Opportunity, the other Mars Exploration Rover. Opportunity is on course to land halfway around Mars from Spirit, in a region called Meridiani Planum, on Jan. 25 (Universal Time and EST; Jan. 24 at 9:05 p.m. PST). JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. Additional information about the project is available from JPL at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at http://athena.cornell.edu/ . -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WTB: Allende
Hello Everyone, It seems I am forever drawn tothe "classic" falls and finds. It also seems that two or three times a yearI buy some Allende. Does anyone have a nice slice of Allende for sale. I have several nice individuals but I don't want to slice them up. Thanks. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] more on Allende
Hello All; Speaking of Allende, does anyone know how recently people have found specimens of this meteorite in the strewn field? Can any of this classification of stone have lasted in the weather? Best Regards, Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/22/2004 12:32PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WTB: Allende Hello Everyone, It seems I am forever drawn to the classic falls and finds. It also seems that two or three times a year I buy some Allende. Does anyone have a nice slice of Allende for sale. I have several nice individuals but I don't want to slice them up. Thanks. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Elongated Orthopyroxene Crystal Image
Dear List Members, Six List members requested an image of the oriented grains I was speaking of on my last post entitled New Ultra Rare Martian Subclass. I do not have any images of the oriented orthopyroxene crystals in NWA1195 but Jim Strope gave me permission to post a link to an image he has on his web site. If you look at this image of NWA 2046 you will see a crystal along the top labeled opx core. This image was created using a false color background on the University of Washington Microprobe. Interestingly enough a List member, Norbert Classen, independently observed these crystals in NWA 2046 and reported them to scientists. Good Job, Norbert, very observant! Anyway here is the link: http://209.238.151.128/thinsection5.JPG All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende
Hello Art and list Art wondered: "Speaking of Allende, does anyone know how recently people have foundspecimens of this meteorite in the strewn field? Can any of thisclassification of stone have lasted in the weather?" It is my understanding they are still hunting and finding stones. While at the Denver show last year several Hispanics came into Blaine Reed's room with a bag full of Allende3 kilos if I remember right. All were recent finds and all were weathered. The price they were wanting was more then anyof us were willing to pay and they left with the stones. A couple list members have been thinking about making a hunting trip, if you are interested I will let you know the names. See you in Tucson. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A couple list members have been thinking about making a hunting trip, if you are interested I will let you know the names. There is a history of trouble for gringos in the Allende strewnfieldarea, if I remember correctly. Wasn't there some story about a meteorite-hunter who was attacked and/or disappeared, something like that? Not sure if it's an urban legend or if based in fact. GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Tom, Ok you`ve convinced me these are the two genuine articles! I`ll Bid. At 08:21 AM 1/22/04 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Ken and list, Ken wrote; Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) Yes, they do seem a bit small, but from what I understand they started out huge but never lost their cosmic velocity and by the time ablation was through with them, all that was left was these two meteorites at a few grams a piece. Even at just a few grams, with their hypersonic velocities still intact these two little meteorites caused the craters. Hard to believe! All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, these ARE THE TWO responsible! ; ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 2004 03:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the view source page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Beagle 2 Team Shows Support For Troubled Spirit Rover
http://www.beagle2.com/news/index.htm Beagle 2 team shows support for troubled Spirit Rover January 22, 2004 ... Summary The Spirit Rover, the first of two NASA surface missions to Mars landing within a month of the Beagle 2, has stopped sending data and responding to commands ... Full story According to a spokesman from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory the Mars rover, which reached the surface successfully on 3rd January, has not transmitted useful data for the last 12 hours. As soon as they heard of the difficulty with Spirit the Beagle 2 team sent a message to Steve Squires, Principal Investigator for the NASA project, expressing every sympathy with their predicament, and hoping they would soon be back in communication. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende
Art and all, I have bought virtually all of the Allende from the strewnfield for the last 5 years. 4 and 5 years ago I was getting about 10 kilos per year. Last year I got about 600 grams! The people I contract with take 20 to 30 people out hunting every day during the summertime before the rains, and that is all they found. The Allende strewnfield undoubtedly has alot left to be found, but I think you would have to spend alot of time, and the people there have been doing it for over 30 years. Also Allende is not at all fragile, it is a very tough meteorite, and many of the pieces found look like they fell yesterday. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more on Allende Hello All; Speaking of Allende, does anyone know how recently people have found specimens of this meteorite in the strewn field? Can any of this classification of stone have lasted in the weather? Best Regards, Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/22/2004 12:32PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WTB: Allende Hello Everyone, It seems I am forever drawn to the classic falls and finds. It also seems that two or three times a year I buy some Allende. Does anyone have a nice slice of Allende for sale. I have several nice individuals but I don't want to slice them up. Thanks. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Tom, sorry, Mate, I reckon you are going a bit too far, saying: All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, ... Do you really believe what you are stating? And this as IMCA member? Is that supposed to be an authenticity statement? >From my point of view this is not fun, it is simply false! Best_regards Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com S. Culver wrote: Tom, Ok you`ve convinced me these are the two genuine articles! I`ll Bid. At 08:21 AM 1/22/04 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Ken and list, Ken wrote; "Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-)" Yes, they do seem a bit small, but from what I understand they started out huge but never lost their cosmic velocity and by the time ablation was through with them, all that was left was these two meteorites at a few grams a piece. Even at just a few grams, with their hypersonic velocities still intact these two little meteorites caused the craters. Hard to believe! All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, these ARE THE TWO responsible! ; ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 2004 03:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the "view source" page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende
Hello Gregory and List, I heard the same thing about a dealer that will remain nameless who went down there and paid a dollar a gram to the farmers who were finding them. Since the farmers were only being paid a fraction of this amount by lets just say "local people in charge" the farmers refused to sell them at the lower rate after this. The local people in charge were selling them for a dollar a gram to dealers before the gringobarged in there and over paid unknowingly doubling the wholesale price for everybody else. Now you cannot getAllendefor less than $2.00 a gram wholesale and at that price you have to buy several kilos. If anybody decides to go down there be careful because of the bad situation left behind by an unknowing US dealer. All the best - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A couple list members have been thinking about making a hunting trip, if you are interested I will let you know the names. There is a history of trouble for gringos in the Allende strewnfieldarea, if I remember correctly. Wasn't there some story about a meteorite-hunter who was attacked and/or disappeared, something like that? Not sure if it's an urban legend or if based in fact. GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
[meteorite-list] Re:The Italian Job Part II ;-)
Please, do not post anything from that mental midget. Praise the meteorite Gods that he is OFF THIS LIST! Thank You, Fred Hall
[meteorite-list] south american sales
I have had sales with both rodrigo and edwardo.Each time I have gotten my specimens without a hitch.The only downer is the time to wait for them.Each time they took about 3 to 4 weeks.But they both deal with money orders, so it takes time to get to them.Then it is a matter of time to send the item to get to your house.I met edwardo last year in tucson a real nice guy.Look forward to meeting rod some time.Both are great guys.I will continue to deal with both.No problem here.The best to all, and less than 2 weeks to tucson. steve arnold, chicago,Il = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Norbert Heike Kammel, No, this is was not saidon the auction, this was only told to the list as a comical response to Ken O'Neill's comical question; "Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-)" I donot think that, and I do not expect anyone with a brain to think it either! It was clearly a joke! Sorry I offended you! I would never make such a claim on ebay, just to the list who I know, knows better! If anyone else thought I was serious, NO I WAS JOKING WITH THE LIST! Just so you all know, ; ) at the end of a sentence means your kidding just like at the end of kens and my emails. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE To: S. Culver Cc: Tom aka James Knudson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Tom,sorry, Mate, I reckon you are going a bit too far, saying: All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, ...Do you really believe what you are stating? And this as IMCA member? Is that supposed to be an authenticity statement?From my point of view this is not fun, it is simply false! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420www.rocksonfire.com S. Culver wrote: Tom, Ok you`ve convinced me these are the two genuine articles! I`ll Bid. At 08:21 AM 1/22/04 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Ken and list, Ken wrote; "Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-)" Yes, they do seem a bit small, but from what I understand they started out huge but never lost their cosmic velocity and by the time ablation was through with them, all that was left was these two meteorites at a few grams a piece. Even at just a few grams, with their hypersonic velocities still intact these two little meteorites caused the craters. Hard to believe! All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, these ARE THE TWO responsible! ; ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 2004 03:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the "view source" page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 482 50% OFF @ $2500/GM .19G Thin Slice W/ Crust
Good Evening List, I don't post many sales ads on the list, but I would like to offer this specimen to all of you at a special price: NWA 482 Lunar, Crystalline Impact-Melt Breccia .19g slice with a crusted edge- $475 (this weekend only) plus FREE USPS priority mail shipping (air letter post for international buyer). Insurance at additional cost if desired. Specimen dimensions are 15X9X0.8MM Please email if you would like to see a photo. Thank you. Best Regards, Ryan P.S. I am now sold out of silicated Campo Del Cielo full slices. Thanks to all who purchased those beauts-enjoy! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Norbert, Did you see the little emoticon "smiley face" at the end of Tom's message? I think he was just having a little fun. ThomasROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom,sorry, Mate, I reckon you are going a bit too far, saying: All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, ...Do you really believe what you are stating? And this as IMCA member? Is that supposed to be an authenticity statement?From my point of view this is not fun, it is simply false!Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,Norbert Heike KammelROCKS ON FIREIMCA #3420www.rocksonfire.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Sorry, Tom, unfortunately the little smiling face did not show up in my e-mail- so you really got me. My appologies if I was a bit too harsh. I am not a newbe on this list, and if I can get fooled like this, I reckon some younger ones can be mislead too. So I think it is good we cleared the air. I should have thought that you would not give misleading info, and this re-asurance I have got now. Well, you pulled my leg, and I better stop limping and whinging now. Shake hands again? :-[ Best_regards Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Norbert Heike Kammel, No, this is was not saidon the auction, this was only told to the list as a comical response to Ken O'Neill's comical question; "Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-)" I donot think that, and I do not expect anyone with a brain to think it either! It was clearly a joke! Sorry I offended you! I would never make such a claim on ebay, just to the list who I know, knows better! If anyone else thought I was serious, NO I WAS JOKING WITH THE LIST! Just so you all know, ; ) at the end of a sentence means your kidding just like at the end of kens and my emails. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE To: S. Culver Cc: Tom aka James Knudson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:35PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HTML helpon ebay? Tom, sorry, Mate, I reckon you are going a bit toofar, saying: All the other meteorites with the name Canyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, ... Do you really believewhat you are stating? And this as IMCA member? Is that supposed tobe an authenticity statement? >From my point of view this isnot fun, it is simply false! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert HeikeKammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com S. Culver wrote: Tom, Ok you`ve convinced me these are the two genuine articles! I`ll Bid. At 08:21 AM 1/22/04 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Ken and list, Ken wrote; "Are you surethey caused the craters ? they seem a bit small to me ;-)" Yes,they do seem a bit small, but from what I understand they started out huge but never lost their cosmic velocity and by the time ablation was through with them, all that was left was these two meteorites at a few grams a piece. Even at just a few grams, with theirhypersonic velocities still intact these two little meteorites causedthe craters. Hard to believe! All the other meteorites with the nameCanyon Diablo or Odessa are fakes, these ARE THE TWO responsible! ; ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 AM Subject: RE:[meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hi Tom List, Are you sure they caused the craters ? they seem abit small to me ;-) All the best with your auctions. Ken O'Neill IMCA 9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 22 January 200403:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed ameteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enoughto write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put twoaddresses so we could add pics to the description area but theydid not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and itworked. She looked at the "view source" page and the code wasthere, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid.Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twiceas much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168
Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Norbert, Hand shake gladly accepted! It was a pretty good story though! : ) (smile) I am glad to see you standing up for what was right evenif it was a misunderstanding! Your email did get me thinking about misunderstandings and lead me to make that perfectly clear on the auction as well. Thank you! I must thank Ken as well, thanks Ken! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay? Sorry, Tom, unfortunately the little smiling face did not show up in my e-mail- so you really got me. My appologies if I was a bit too harsh. I am not a newbe on this list, and if I can get fooled like this, I reckon some younger ones can be mislead too. So I think it is good we cleared the air.I should have thought that you would not give misleading info, and this re-asurance I have got now.Well, you pulled my leg, and I better stop limping and whinging now. Shake hands again? :-[ Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420www.rocksonfire.com
